Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Marc Headley worked at Scientology’s secret desert compound, which houses all Scientology management, for 15 years. The 500-acre property is located deep in the California desert. The local townspeople were told lectures and films were made there. But is that all that was happening? It is the location of a multi-million dollar home for L. Ron Hubbard, built two decades after his death. It is the home of Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige. So what really happens at the Int Base? Are the stories on the internet true? How does Scientology conduct management of its day-to-day operations? Could stories of armed guards, weapons, staff beatings, and razor wire fences be true? If so, how could a facility like this exist in modern-day America? Hundreds of staff tried to escape over the years. Some succeeded but were never seen or heard of again, and most failed. Why were people kept here? What really went on at the headquarters of Scientology? This is the story of what happened behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology.
Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Secrets Under The Desert: Scientology’s Vaults Explained - Scientology Secrets #19 (Q&A)
A church that prepares for the end of the world tells you everything about its present. We dig into Scientology’s underground vaults built by the Church of Spiritual Technology—why they exist, how the etched steel archives are made, and the strange logic behind symbols carved into remote landscapes. The story gets less mystical and more material when you ask a simple question: who gets in, how, and what exactly is being protected?
We also open the blinds on Int Base and the Hole, where pressure breeds cruelty and survival games replace ethics. Would Shelly Miscavige have steered the ship differently? Maybe on violence, not on doctrine. Disconnection, high-pressure money tactics, and family splits precede any one leader. And here’s the number that matters: by 2005, Scientology held roughly a billion dollars in pre-paid services not delivered. That’s a massive liability, which helps explain the pivot to pure donations and trophies with no obligation attached. If every paying member asked for the services they already bought, income could collapse for decades.
Expect specifics, not slogans. We talk about where the plates are actually manufactured now, who supplies the titanium capsules, why transcripts of leadership meetings are scrubbed clean of expletives, and how event attendance shrinks while rosters inflate with names from the 1970s. We also speak directly to staff under pressure to join the Sea Org: you can walk away, and there’s help when you do.
It’s not all grim. Our community’s “Fake Navy Davy” photo contest uses humor to puncture the aura—placing the doll in capitols, burger joints, and make-believe cells—because laughter is a pressure valve and an invitation to look closer. We close with updates from the Michael J. Rinder Aftermath Foundation, including real rescues and the steady work of helping people rebuild a life.
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Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Blown for Good, Scientology Expos Exposed. My words are all jumbled today. I'm Mark Headley. I'm joined today by my lovely wife Claire.
SPEAKER_01:Hey, hey, hey. Thanks for joining us this fine Sunday.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. We uh we had to start a little late. We're sorry for the European guys. We had to start a little late because the uh Broncos played late today and uh they won.
SPEAKER_01:So well, they didn't play late, it just ran late. And and they really needed our backup and support as dedicated audience watchers from our living room.
SPEAKER_03:They did. Um, as we normally do, we're just gonna take uh a few minutes to uh acknowledge all the people that are coming here from all around the world. And uh we do recognize that we might have lost a few European guys because it's I think it's after midnight.
SPEAKER_01:Our dear Netherlands folks might not be in chat today.
SPEAKER_03:They'll catch it up.
SPEAKER_01:Our bad, our bad.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, let's uh let's do that here.
SPEAKER_01:All right, Allie, hi all from England. Awesome. Angel Cat, good morning from Sunland, California, Los Angeles. Too early. Didn't we have a time change? Yes, we did have a time change.
SPEAKER_02:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:Deborah, good afternoon from the Dells in Wisconsin, getting ready to sew while listening. Nice.
SPEAKER_03:I think I need to adjust your camera a little bit. You keep reading.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, okay. All right, Clara eating spicy teokee and getting hype from Washington State. Ooh, I'm moving. There we go. Sorry for that, folks. We're good.
SPEAKER_03:That's we had to adjust the cameras so that my hands, I'm reaching them out. See, I gotta reach really far to get in Claire's frame there.
SPEAKER_01:Yep, no more marks hands in my face for you folk.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:There we go. Paula, oh no, Paul Vargason, 464. Good evening from a rather chilly Agadir Desert Night. Okay. Catherine Olson, Willamette Valley. Katie D, hello from Galway, Ireland. New nearly bedtime here. There you go.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's late.
SPEAKER_01:Uh Angel Cat, I'm in Sunland, California, not too far from Burbank to the south and La Canyada to the east. Yes, very familiar with it. My family lived in La Crescenta, California for a long time. Magda, hi all from Washington. Sherry, hello from Moorhead, Minnesota. Todd Johnson, hi all from a sunny Samamish, Washington. Nice. What? C74. Hello from Fort Collins, Colorado. Nice. Betsy Sue, greetings from Cameron, North Carolina. Brian, hi from the sunny Willamette Valley. Oh, Catherine's neighbor. Jamie Perks checking in from sunny southern Utah. Nice. List one rock slammer. Hello from Clearwater, Florida. Let's see. Hello from Virginia. I'm a never in who feels very strongly about the fight against Scientology. Nice. Same here. Hello from Ontario, can Canada. Tracy, howdy from Wyoming. Slipshot, hello from Detroit, listening while door dashing. Todd, be sure to go to Alex's YouTubes for his protest and donate to his fundraiser for the Aftermath Foundation. Yes, thank you so much. Apostate Alex. All of his live streams on the IES protest are fundraisers that support the Michael J. Rinder Aftermath Foundation. We're super grateful. Mary Kay, hi from Albuquerque. Poodlebone, hello from New York City. Necessary trouble in the house. Hello from Montana. Happy to see Broncos win. Now go bills. Okay. Becky, good evening from Reading, UK. Uh made it. Yes, hello from Idaho. Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_03:Just a ton of people in here all the time. All right.
SPEAKER_01:Hello from Tuolemy.
SPEAKER_03:Good job.
SPEAKER_01:Jack Shaw, howdy from Henderson, Nevada. Nice. Megan is a cat. Hi from North Dakota. In Auticolet, hello from Central Florida. Nice. Caspi, hello from London. Awesome. Dandy, hello from Niagara Falls. Awesome.
SPEAKER_03:We were just there. Cale and I were just there a few minutes ago.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. That's uh Phil Jones, neck of the woods. Katie, hello from Scotland. Terry, hi from Germany. Nice. Uh Heather Hayes, hi hey from West Virginia. Awesome. Rio for Life, hello from Hibbing, Minnesota. Awesome.
SPEAKER_03:Nice. Good job, guys. Good job. Okay, so for today, we're gonna do, we're trying a new thing where we'll do a video on the channel, and then the next week we'll get into the questions. Because we're trying to, we we were shortening the content to be able to do a QA in the video. So we just decided be better just to do a video. Everybody can watch it. If they post comments in there, then we'll cover them in the next QA that we do. So here we are. And um, we've got Clara put together a whole little thing here.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, thank you, Clara. But I don't need two of me on the screen.
SPEAKER_03:Well, take it easy there.
SPEAKER_01:There you go.
SPEAKER_03:Um so we covered in last week's video, we covered the CST bases.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, Church of Spiritual Technology, where they engrave all of Hubbard's writings and recordings for the zombie apocalypse so that Scientology will remain.
SPEAKER_03:Or any uh extinction event. It doesn't have to be zombies, kind of does, but um and then um we this is the least likely of extinction events.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, hey, it's Scientology, so it's science fiction, right? It's it's fitting with the theme.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, we're not gonna argue because zombies are not science fiction. Um anyway, they're just fiction. What they're real life? No, they're fiction, not science fiction. Okay, I don't know. Maybe that's you know, we'll see. Um but the we also covered the int base because it is a secret base as well. And those are uh what these questions are based on. So we're just gonna jam through these.
SPEAKER_01:Yep. All right, SBTV junkie. Do you know if Bob Ferris is still at Intbase? Yes. Uh to our knowledge, yes, he is.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we don't have any indication otherwise.
SPEAKER_01:No. But Bob Ferris, if you ever hear us talking about this, we'd love to help you get out.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:As would your daughter Liz. So there you go.
SPEAKER_03:You can read the next one now.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. Becky, I wonder if Shelly's lodgings are fancy or if she is just in regular Sea Org accommodation now. I would say definitely regular, if not degraded.
SPEAKER_03:Um well, also in all the pictures that we see, she wasn't made up, she didn't have her hair did, nothing. She was just down and down and dirty Shelly.
SPEAKER_01:No, and one of the biggest things, the biggest indicators to me that's that aligns with the answer we just gave is Shelly does not have children. Her children were or her beagles were like her children. And we know that when she was banished, David Miscavige did not allow her beagles to go with her. Yeah. So there's no question that it was a banishment, it was punishment of the ultimate kind, um, particularly in Shelly's case, given how attached she was to those beagles.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Next one.
SPEAKER_01:All right. Harvey Denton's Toads question. What was Russ Bellon like? I've heard some horrible stories about things he did in the hole. Was he always like that or was he driven to it by the abuse?
SPEAKER_03:Um, he wasn't uh I didn't find find him particularly hard to deal with when I dealt with him in the manufacturing area of Golden Air Productions. We did a lot of work together on setting up equipment and manufacturing lines and stuff like that. But to be fair, the hole was really went into overdrive after we left.
SPEAKER_01:It did.
SPEAKER_03:And that's I mean, it was bad.
SPEAKER_01:It was bad when I was there. It was it and it had gotten significantly worse after you escaped. But yes, absolutely. There's no question in my mind that being in the hole brings out the worst in people.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Because because basically, in order to survive, you you have to, it's a dog eat dog world, let's just say. Yeah. Betsy Sue question Did Hubbard have a doomsday complex to worry about the underground uh underground vaults?
SPEAKER_03:Well, he always, from the very early uh 1950s and 1960s, was always like, we don't have time, Scientology has to get big as fast as possible because the end of the world is coming and everyone's gonna the whole earth is gonna, you know, be destroyed.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, in all these millions of years, this is your first time ever to be able to do something about it.
SPEAKER_03:And he was always preaching that there was a time imperative in place because of the bad things that were about to happen.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly. Magda M21819, do all of these secret vault bases have a landing place for Hubbard?
SPEAKER_03:Hmm. I don't think so. I don't know why. I mean, I know they certainly don't in um rim of the world in the Twin Peaks vault location. It's all mountainous terrain. So you're not gonna be able to land your little Thetan plane uh up there.
SPEAKER_01:But uh space I wonder what that might look like, a Thetan plane. I mean, mind you, one beg it begs the question like Thetans don't exist in the physical universe, so they have no matter, they're not associated with matter, energy, space, and time. So therefore, why would they need a plane?
SPEAKER_03:Well, yeah, the plane's not the thing, but yeah, I get it. But I know there's one at the New Mexico one, the one that I went to down in Trementilla, Trementina. Yes, and then I do think there's also one at the Crescent base in the middle of the horse track there. There's a uh there's a like a horse track on that property. And I think I want to say the symbol is in the middle of the horse track. Um it's just grass mode in the, you know, they planted it in the pattern of the logo. Um I don't know about the other ones. I know one of the other ones did have one at one time, but I think they let it grow out. Or I don't know what the I've never seen the policy. I've only heard what it was supposed to be. So I don't know what his exact Hubbard's exact instructions were for the uh cigarette, the cool cigarette logo.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, because when aliens come to Earth, they're definitely gonna be looking for the cool cigarette logo. Yes. Where they can go to retrieve this infamous technology.
SPEAKER_03:They're gonna be smoking menthols, okay? They're not gonna be going for marble reds here, folks.
SPEAKER_01:Oh dear. All right. Petrina, question how are future generations supposed to get into the vaults?
SPEAKER_03:That's a good question.
SPEAKER_01:It's a really good question. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:See, because they're all locked up, everything's all locked up. So if somebody stumbles on them, they're just gonna be like, you know, push one, two, three, four to enter the vault.
SPEAKER_01:Maybe they're gonna say hip hip hooray, L. Ron Hubbard, hip hip hooray, and that will be the secret password.
SPEAKER_03:I want to say they're not voice activated at all.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, probably not facial recognition activated either.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, no.
SPEAKER_01:This is uh this is another one of these solid good question, right there.
SPEAKER_03:It's another one of these holes that we've poked in their theory. Like Are you guys really trying to save this? Are you just storing precious metals all over the earth in case you get robbed or in case something goes sideways, you've got stocks of gold in multiple locations? I to this day, I think it's they're just they're just hoarding precious metals.
SPEAKER_01:It's a good way to buy gold and have it and have a a kind of solid cover story as to why you have these underground vaults that can't be entered enter entered for any reason.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I think when they when they make it into a religious artifact, it's not an in I don't know how that counts. You're a bookkeeper. Is that an investment? It's not an account, it's not a it's not a gold investment. It's a it's an asset. It's an a it switches over to an asset, which likely could be valued much higher than just the the purchase price or the the sale price of gold because it's it's it's a rec, it's a gold record. So now it's even more valuable than just gold because it has a audio imprinted into it as well. I don't know. I I I suspect there could be some uh some fudgery, some fudge funky business going on there, funky fudge factor five right here.
SPEAKER_01:All right, Sandy says question if Shelly, who started working for Hubbard when she was 11, had taken over leadership of Scientology, would she have been better, worse, or the same as David? That's another good question.
SPEAKER_03:Well, Scientology was dictated pretty much the way it is by Hubbard.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so it's kind of a a toss-up either way, but Shelly was definitely against David Miscavige being violent against the city.
SPEAKER_03:Well, yeah, she wasn't against the physical violence. She was she was like, we got to take it easy on the physical violence. Yeah, but so she did not approve of David Miscavige's abuse of staff, but they still would have been disconnecting families and get stealing people's money and you know, charging credit cards and all these other things.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean, let's not forget that Shelly's half-sister was disconnected from Shelly's father while Shelly was still in good graces.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And Shelly was well aware of that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And also, um, I did want to say Scientology, when we left in 2005, we mentioned this on a podcast with um with Tony Ortega on the down in the underground. Um, so when we left in 2005, Scientology has a statistic of the services that that uh members of Scientology have paid for, but they have not yet delivered to these people.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:And in it is it's in a dollar figure. So the the dollar amount of services that have been paid for versus what's been delivered. And when we left in 2005, there was one billion dollars in advance payments. So Scientology um owes hundreds of years worth of Scientology courses and auditing that they've not delivered.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And David Miscavige's worst fear was that if the if all of the Scientology public paying members said, hey, we just want our services, we're not buying anything new until we get everything out, it would take Scientology over a hundred years to deliver those services and they'd have zero income.
SPEAKER_01:And I'm sure that number, by the way, that one billion is a big piece of why they reworded the contracts to make it almost impossible for people to get those funds returned.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, if they don't do the service and then they leave, it's just a donation.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_03:Really, at the end of the day.
SPEAKER_01:And if they want to fight, then they're going to be sent to arbitration and all that. It means a lot more to be to me now, as a bookkeeper, seeing that number on a balance sheet as a liability than it did at the time that I was in there.
SPEAKER_03:You know, that's a good point. If they're worth two billion dollars, that's not taking into account that.
SPEAKER_01:No, it's not.
SPEAKER_03:So they're actually worth less than a billion because they already they have a at least a billion dollars on the book as debt.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, which I'm sure also has a lot to do with why they've switched over their business model.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, now they just want donations for trophies.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly. Then it's just like then they're like, buy a trophy and be done with it, walk away. We got the million dollars, no strings attached.
SPEAKER_03:Scientology is basically like a glorified bowling league, except for there's no bowling. You're just getting the trophies.
SPEAKER_01:Nor is there any winning.
SPEAKER_03:A lot of gutter balls.
SPEAKER_01:Yep, yep, yep, yep. All right, Todd Johnson, aren't the circles with a diamond shape inside on the left markers for where they put the plates, records, etc.?
SPEAKER_03:Well, yeah, that those CST logos are supposed to be at each location. And all of the titanium capsules and all of the materials, they all have this logo all over. The titanium, like the racks that they have, and these titanium capsules that go inside these racks, they all have the CST logo on those things.
SPEAKER_01:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:So, yes.
SPEAKER_01:All right, Jerome PG, are the plates made at Bridge Publications? I thought I saw them there. It might be they they I think Catherine said that they were now making things for CST at other locations than CST. In the years that we were there, they only made those things at the uh Twin Peaks location. But yes, I think now they are making some of those pieces at Golden Era Productions and probably elsewhere too.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we did I did a video with Mitch Brisker because he was one of the last people there that's speaking out that would talk about these type of things. And uh that should be coming out in the next few weeks. But um, we he did say that they're they're assembling them at gold. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Mitch just commented the plates are made at bridge in East LA.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and then they're assembled at gold into the capsules and packaged and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_01:So Claire is like I went from chat mode to reading comments mode and I had to switch back. Harvey Denton toad Denton's Toads says Angie Blankenship runs the company that sells the titanium to CST. Does she not? Yes, that's correct.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, Angie Blankenship was a uh in a Sea Org executive in the what you want to call it, the Commodore's Messenger org International. And then she was also working directly for David Miscavige. I don't think she was ever really legitimately in RTC.
SPEAKER_01:She was definitely on the list to be moved into religious technology center when I was over the internal staff recruitment and all that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But yeah, I don't think she ever did.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. But either way, she escaped. And when she escaped, she got a sweetheart deal that she wouldn't be disconnected from any of her family.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I don't think she escaped per se. She got pregnant by a public Scientologist.
SPEAKER_03:And that was uh That's a good way to escape.
SPEAKER_01:Well, yeah, thanks to our lawsuit where that made it.
SPEAKER_03:She escaped, and then when she escaped, she got a sweetheart deal that she wouldn't be disconnected from any of her family. And her father owned the company that made all the titanium capsules and all these things for Church of Spiritual Technology. Yes. And then she, from what I've been told, she then took that over when he started aging out.
SPEAKER_01:Yep. Uh, were the LRH writings carved in titanium by hand or machine?
SPEAKER_03:Well, they're actually the titanium is just for the capsules that hold all the records and the stainless steel plates. The stainless steel plates are etched with lasers. You just put a piece of stainless. It's actually now um it's a very common technology that people can use. And when they were making these back in the 80s, this was like, you know, you needed a$400,000 machine to do what they're doing. Now I can go to Micro Center and buy one of these things and jam out some plates if I want to. Right.
SPEAKER_01:So but our 12-year-olds could figure out how to do that, no problem.
SPEAKER_03:But they have um so the the plates are stainless steel and they are laser etched for the for the for the written uh word of L. Ron Hubbard for like his bulletins and policy letters and whatever muckety muck, the books, the Scientology books, and all that good stuff.
SPEAKER_01:Mark and Claire, have you seen Dan Walk's LA's music video of fake Navy Davy going clear?
SPEAKER_03:I have not seen it.
SPEAKER_01:I have not seen it either. We'll have to check it out.
SPEAKER_03:You know, to be fair, I'm not really on social media that much at all. No. Besides being on YouTube, I don't go on to Facebook or Instagram.
SPEAKER_01:I'm not really looking at any I'm fun fact, Mark claims to be antisocial when it comes to such things.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. I just I just don't have enough time in the day to consume a bunch of nonsense. So I'm just trying to cut it down. I do watch YouTube videos on YouTube.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, mainly he's talking like fixing cars and people building Tesla videos, people building homesteads, building homesteads in like Italy and France. Like, you know, we're talking mind-numbing wind down after a very full day of work type videos, but also it doesn't matter if I miss five or ten minutes of that video.
SPEAKER_03:It's not a major plot device that I'm gonna be like, wait a minute, wait a minute, where'd that driveway come from?
SPEAKER_01:I know even this morning, like I looked at my watch, I'm like, oh, it's 11. The Broncos game started. I'm like, honey, can we put the Broncos game on? Can we stop watching these people build a house in France, please?
SPEAKER_03:It's uh it's it's in the Dordogne, right by the Dordogna River where we went.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:In uh La Roque Jacques.
SPEAKER_01:La Roque Gajac.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, keep going.
SPEAKER_01:All right. Uh when we lived in Crestline and then running springs, we knew there were only five to six deputies assigned for the mountain. Is that why Scientology picked that location? It's not, I don't think so. I don't think that's why they picked the location, but that statistic that the that five to six deputies is indicative of how remote that location is, and that's why they picked the location.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_01:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, cool. We jammed through it. That was it. That was all the questions from last week.
SPEAKER_01:Nice.
SPEAKER_03:Um, I thought what we could do is we could um, if anybody had any questions for this week, we could put those up. What do you like better? Do you like this one or do you like this one?
SPEAKER_01:I like that one better. You like that one? That's just me.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, I don't know how the shorts people like. I'm not a fan of seeing my zoom in on all my on all your face in Heimer Smiths?
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, here's a good one.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. Uh oh, hold on, let me get back there. Okay. L E Y 67 question. What does David M look like now?
SPEAKER_03:He looks like an older David M. He he also, to be fair though, you know what I do like this one actually. If we go here like this. No, no, no, seriously.
SPEAKER_01:Come on.
SPEAKER_03:No, we go like that.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, there we go.
SPEAKER_03:Um, because then I can switch between you and me. Um, because that gives me a chance to drink and do other kinds of stuff over here. Fiji, though. Water. Okay. Yeah, there we go. Um he looks like um he looks very plasticky in most of the recent pictures we've seen. Yes, yeah. And he and also, if you don't know this, if you're a Scientologist and you think David Miscavige is some kind of superhero kind of guy, he's not. He's small. Um, he's very, very petite, but he also has really bad um asthma.
SPEAKER_01:So he also has um what's it called?
SPEAKER_03:eczema kind of skin condition where he he bleeds very, very easily. Like whenever he would, we would be in a meeting with him and he'd have a big stack of folders, like manila file folders, legal size, and he would throw them at us um in the middle of the meeting. He would often cut his fingers and get cuts from just throwing things at us.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. David Miscavige is a very small, angry and yes, that's what he looks like.
SPEAKER_03:He looks small and angry. Good. There you go. Yes, Claire summed it up perfectly.
SPEAKER_01:With definitely excessive, you know, additions on in the hair department.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, there's a lot of ancient.
SPEAKER_01:Compare his his pictures to uh Ron Miscavige Sr. Yes, and Ronnie Ronnie, and you can clearly see that whatever's going on there did not come from his genes.
SPEAKER_03:It wasn't a DNA situation, it was a it was a facility, it was an outside intervention situation. Stuff and hair plugs in his brain.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, just call a spade a spade. It's no no insult, you know, whatever. You do do what you do.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Question: How old were you, Mark, when you arrived at the base?
SPEAKER_03:I was, I had my, I think I want to say it was my 17th birthday when I arrived. I turned 16 in Los Angeles, and then like a few days later, I arrived there. So I was no, I turned 17 when I was in Los Angeles getting clearances to go to the MP base.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Because I had my birthday in between being at Abel International and being at Golden Era. I was in this kind of in-between base zone where you get your clearances to be able to go to the higher level up.
SPEAKER_01:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:And that's where I celebrated my 17th birthday. And then I went there like two or three days later.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. So you had just turned 17. Yeah, that was a lot for that one answer. Alex saw Tom Cruise taking off live in his helicopter this afternoon. Oh yes. He told he told us that. And he also said he said, Hey Tom, why don't you support the Aftermath Foundation? And Mark and Claire Hitley say hello. Thanks, Alex, for that. We appreciate it. Yes, it's been a very busy weekend here between Halloween with our kids and the Broncos game, and a lot very, very busy weekend for the Michael J. Render Aftermath Foundation. Oh, question. Uh, Tracy, was the Wyoming site supposed to be a secret base?
SPEAKER_03:Yes, it was. They had uh planned to build a vault in Wyoming, and the town or the county or the government, local government said, uh-no can do. I don't know if it was an environmental concern. I'm not exactly sure why they denied it, but Scientology had already bought the property, they'd already moved a ton of equipment out there, they'd already, they were, they were like, we're doing this. And then somebody said, No, you ain't. Um, so yes, Tracy, good find.
SPEAKER_01:Perhaps it was cult concerns.
SPEAKER_03:I was cons I was considering putting that one in there, but because it never ended up being a base, I just left it off the list. I'm sure there's tons of things they've attempted to do that they weren't doing, and we weren't gonna add those to anything.
SPEAKER_01:Yep, for sure. Comment, Mark, just finished your book. Loved it and love you guys. First book I've read beginning to end since college. I'm 40. Wow, Ryan.
SPEAKER_03:Wow, it's a pretty I'm if you're not a reader, that's another thing I like to tell people. If you're not a reader, this book's not gonna put you out too much. It's a very easy read. And a lot of people just finish it in a day or two because I try to make, I try to leave, I try to leave each chapter as a little bit of a cliffhanger for the next one.
SPEAKER_01:But to be fair, it was intentionally a little strong on the lingo because the target audience were are were and are people still in Scientology. So you have to use the lingo to gain that acceptance that this is, you know, the these are our true stories of what happened at the top levels of Scientology. Um, and as long as we're talking about your book, we should mention that it is available on Audible Kindle. If you would like a hard copy, go to our merch store. Do not buy it on Amazon.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, Amazon's got a lot of scalpers. Um, the only thing we get have on Amazon is the Audible and the Kindle.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:But then um at the Blown for Good site, we have the paperback signed by both of us. Yes. And the hardback. And which one are we like almost out of the paperback? Paperback. Paperback, we have like 30 left, I think.
SPEAKER_00:If that's something like that, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Um, but um I was we're thinking about doing like an end-of-the-year kind of sum-up or wrap-up or whatever of the channel and different stuff we've been working on. And um, when I was adding up the book totals today, I think we're we're over 45,000 copies sold of Love for Good between Kindle, Amazon, I mean uh Kindle, Audible, Paperback, and Hardback.
SPEAKER_00:Nice.
SPEAKER_03:We have four four formats.
SPEAKER_00:Yep, yeah, we do.
SPEAKER_03:So yeah, we've sold 40 over 45,000. We'll see what it ends up being at the end of the year. But 45,000 is pretty good for a book we just uh you know jammed out in a weekend.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and hey, as long as we're talking about the end of the year wrap-up, we'll obviously talk about all the things that we've done this year, different shows we've appeared on. Oh, that's a good idea too. But if there's something you'd like us to cover in that end-of-year wrap-up, put it in the comments and we'll Clara and we will plan accordingly. All right, T Walters 8. You guys are the best and love the book. May this be the year miscavage gets his come up at. Yes, exactly. Not it was not a good weekend for Miscavage, let me tell you. So there you go. All right. Do you know the average or median age of Sea Org members? My guess is that they are aging out, so over 40. Um, so there's a lot of old ones. Though I do know that they are still bringing in younger people at staff level to then bring existing staff into the C organization.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that's a good point. We I wanted to bring this up. If you are watching this and you're a Scientology staff member, which is somebody that works in one of their organizations that signed two and a half or five year contracts, these people are being heavily, heavily pressed. Pressure to join the C organization.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And um don't do it. You don't need to join the C organization if you're on a contract and you don't even have to be fair, you don't even have to finish your contract. You could just say, I don't want to work here anymore and leave. And they'll say, Oh, you owe us money for the$250 course you've done or the this or that. Who cares? Just you can get out of there without any legal consequences. They can't garnish your wages. There's nothing they can do to you legally if you leave staff. Exactly. Nothing.
SPEAKER_01:Yep. And if you need help, reach out to the Michael J. Render Aftermath Foundation and we will help. That's we've been doing. So Todd Johnson. So instead of invading Area 51, we need to organize an invading Scientology vaults.
SPEAKER_03:We don't need to invade them. They're in the middle of nowhere. Um I would say if there is um there is some sort of extinction event, remember where these places are because there's a ton of gold in these places. Okay, guys. Like it's a and there's if there were two people there before the extinction event. So worst case scenario, there's two people there when you get there. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Oh dear. All right. M. Brisker, Mitch in the house. The closer one is to the center of hell, the more corrupt they become. That's what I observed. Good people becoming corrupted, flawed people becoming more evil.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, 100%. Absolutely agree with that. It's a sad, sad but true question. If we buy all the Davy dolls, will Claire release her book? Ah, that's a great idea.
SPEAKER_03:I hope we sold. I hope we get your book comes out before we're done with all the Davy dolls. We've got a lot of Davy dolls. I have a warehouse that has pallet shelves. And I want to say there's two palette shelves that are stacked about six feet high.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean they they take up a significant amount of space. We've probably sold about half of what we originally ordered.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we still got a lot to go, guys. We Davy dolls.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but we have a lot to go. Um, but yes, I'm I thank you for everybody's patience. I do have three kids. I have a husband. I have three jobs, and on top of that, I volunteer as board president of the Michael J. Render Aftermath Foundation, which consumed that job alone consumed at least 15 hours breaking someone out recently. Um this week. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:In the last few days.
SPEAKER_01:In the last few days. So um Claire over here.
SPEAKER_03:Welcome to Jamaica mom.
SPEAKER_01:Stop it. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_03:It's just 14 jobs, right?
SPEAKER_01:So I appreciate the patience. It is coming along. Most of it is well, I'd say I'm 70% done. Mitch read one of my uh draft chapters, by the way. I'm super grateful for that. And and a few other people have too, but anyway, it's getting there.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Oh okay.
SPEAKER_03:Um, I was deleting comments while you were deleting.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, okay. Here we go. Question Is anything specific to David Miscavige stored in the vaults, or is it only Hubbard materials?
SPEAKER_03:It's only Hubbard.
SPEAKER_01:It is.
SPEAKER_03:It's if if David Miscavige etched one of his things, I think the Seorg people would be like, Whoa.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Dude, what are you doing?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean, there's gotta be some He hasn't actually write anything. He doesn't actually Well, he he writes his dispatches and I know, but they're not gonna catch those. Conversations get etched. Gary We see. Oh no, all of his conversations get typed with all the um the cuss words removed. They don't translate, they don't transcribe the um many expletives, shall we say?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, when we had our lawsuit, they had some meetings or they had dispatches or something. And also in some of the documents, some of the OSA spy files, the the there's transcriptions of the meetings.
SPEAKER_02:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:And I'm like, I was at that meeting, and there's no way that's what he said. They totally, it's like um David Miscavige's original words are triple X, and then when you see it written on the page, it's it's PG 13. It's like TV TV 13.
SPEAKER_01:And I I know why that is because yeah, because when I was in religious technology center, in when you're in the C organization, they have a thing called all hands, which is when there's a backlog, you get all of the hands to get it all caught up. So I had I was part of all hands to catch up on the transcriptions of David Miscavige's meetings. And part of the training on that was if he swears or if he says anything inappropriate, you just don't transcribe that part.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. Okay, good. Here's another one.
SPEAKER_01:All right. Question Even if the IES event was late this year, shouldn't Scientologists in good standing keep those weekends clear anyway? Or is something else going on to explain low attendance? The simple answer to that is Scientology is shrinking.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. If you if you think about um the number of people that have been leaving Scientology, yes, and there's always been a true statement since Scientology very very first started. There's always more ex-scientologists as there are current Scientologists.
SPEAKER_02:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:So the number of ex-scientologists is always growing. And the number of Scientologists that are still in and paying, there's that's another thing. There's a lot of Scientologists that Scientology are counting as you're a Scientologist.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And those people haven't been to a Scientology organization in 40 years. So Scientology includes you are a Scientologist. If you bought a book in 1973, you're still on the list as a Scientologist. It doesn't matter if you've left or spoken out or died. None of those things affect the cumulative number that they've got.
SPEAKER_01:No, I mean, proof of that is we were after we were declared suppressive people, Mark was called and asked to go and help with the Inglewood org renovations.
SPEAKER_03:That's right. And we've also gotten promo before too. We've been sent mail from them at an address we never had because we were in the C org. I think we got one after three moves. Yes, we got a piece of promotion from them. And I was like, Are you serious right now? Yeah, you guys have us on your list.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And and I can't help but rem be reminded of so the first apartment we ever got, which thanks to your dad who co-signed for us because we had no credit, we were able to get our own apartment. And ironically, the people across the way from us had Narcanon promo outside their door. And we were like, wait, what?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like a week after we moved in. It's very easy to spot Scientology junk mail.
SPEAKER_01:And and in uh Missouri, that promo stands out like a sore thumb.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, there's not a lot of Scientology going down in at least someone.
SPEAKER_01:No. All right. Question Unity Church. Austin, I understand you are not lawyers, but what do you think may legally take down Church of Scientology or Scientology? Lots of individual legal wins versus a large win. I I'm I've always been of the belief. I know when we first when in our early days, I thought, oh, this will be it. I I just think that every voice counts, every lawsuit counts, every every action counts towards um educating the general public and educating lawyers and educating law enforcement, all of it matters.
SPEAKER_03:And but but even one big legal case, like the Danny Masterson thing was a big deal.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:If they get two or three more of those type of things, if the IRS uh takes away their tax exemption, which if they keep committing crimes and they keep losing, getting lawsuits, and they're these things don't ever stop. They can very easily lose their tax exemption if somebody in the IRS just says, we're doing it. It's really they're can they have to be able to get a a little bit of a rogue IRS person who just says that's enough because they pretty much keep these guys pretty well under their thumb in terms of playing it with the other.
SPEAKER_01:It at least appears that way, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Um, but um, and then just the sheer, you know, dwindling of members is just pretty soon it's gonna be hard to get somebody to donate$10 million when there's 17 people with you at the IAS of the.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. I mean, when we're helping people escape on the regular and learning about the deteriorating conditions for staff and um and learning how much the resources to help people get out are spreading amongst their current members, it's reassuring to know that, you know, who knows what the end game is, but we're just gonna keep going until you know they're not abusing people anymore, right?
SPEAKER_03:That's right.
SPEAKER_01:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:10-4.
SPEAKER_01:10-4. Roger that over and out.
SPEAKER_03:We're gonna do uh we're gonna go on to the next thing here. If we have any time, if we have any time left over, we can do some other questions, but we've got a lot of good things to cover.
SPEAKER_01:We have a lot of good things to cover, folks.
SPEAKER_03:As you guys know, as you know, we have had a been having a photo cost contest every month. The first month was a little bit of a slow start, but now we're really jamming it in there.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Um we have the fake navy doll photo contest. And um what we and why not?
SPEAKER_01:Because it's good to have a little fun while exposing Scientology abuses.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, this is no, I mean, I don't think that you can watch this and not have some of it be fun and some of it be joking. There's no way this is a morbid subject, Scientology. Um, but we've got these little guys. Some people call them fake Navy Davy, some people call him Captain Space Navy Davy Freddy, whatever. There's a million names. Captain Chucklesworth is one I like uh particularly.
SPEAKER_01:Uh the the TGA one was pretty funny.
SPEAKER_03:I think there's another one.
SPEAKER_01:Uh the leprechaun one was pretty funny.
SPEAKER_03:There's a cheeky one, I can't remember. Damn it, Davy. Damn it, Davy doll.
SPEAKER_01:Yep, that was a good one.
SPEAKER_03:Um, these are great for a chew toy for your your animal, cat, dog, iguana. Wow, who marmot, weasel, hedgehog, whatever you got, throw it in there with them. Uh, we like to marinate these guys on a in a bag of catnip before we give them to our cats. Um, but yeah, people have been taking these all over the world. Yes, and doing photo shoots with them. And we like to see those photos. We like to see those posted on your social medias. Yeah, nearly.
SPEAKER_01:And as and as we promised, uh, we so we did one for September, and today we're closing out October.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:So we still have November and December to go.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. So now I don't know exactly how this is laid out. I must admit.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:But the way we kind of wanted it was I was gonna pick one, Claire was gonna pick one, and then we were gonna have like a fan favorite.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:So we're gonna show you a bunch of runners ups too because we had so many good ones. Um, I want to say PTS in Texas. The the the the YouTube uh subscriber, PTS in Texas, supplied at least 10 or 15 of the ones that are in here. Even some of the winners, I think.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:So um, so this is the October results for the fake Navy Davy photo contest. All right. Oh, yeah. Here we go. Three winners at the end of each month. We got fan favorite, Claire favorite, mark favorite. And here are the October submissions. I like this. Claire did a good job. The fan favorite target praget practice. Here, you know what? I'm gonna make us smaller so it can be bigger. There we go. We they know what we look like, but let's make these photos amazing. Um yes, very good. These are these are just uh, you know, play darts, folks. Don't get like we're they're not exciting any violence. These are children here, and they're playing with a toy.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly. Okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Jeez Louise.
SPEAKER_01:Lest Osa think otherwise.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, now this one is this is amazing. This is like, I don't even know how you could get all these factors into one photo, but uh this is this is um PTS in Texas did this one, right?
SPEAKER_01:That's right.
SPEAKER_03:They're at a burger place that's called LRH Burger, okay? And they brand LRH into the burger. Okay. First of all, never seen that. Second of all, Davy dolls getting that burger. It's amazing. It's like, come on, match made, and he's got a side of fries. Come on, and he's is I don't know if that's just a water with a lemon or it could be a could be a like a Moscow mule in the sky.
SPEAKER_01:It could be, it looks like that. It's got more color. It's definitely not water. Yeah, like me a Moscow mule.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, Austin Capitol. Look at him cowboying it out in the Capitol.
SPEAKER_01:Boom.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, looks like he had a he there was some sort of situation. He lost his hat, he regained it, and then he did a picture on the Texas steps. Loving this, loving this, loving this.
SPEAKER_01:He did a he did a big old hat dump.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, this is yeah, yeah. Hat dump and Davy doll. Um, these are the kind of photos we want. Yes, we love it. You don't have to be in a in front of a Scientology organization or a thing. This is fun too. So if you're in the middle of wherever and you want to zip it down to town, the the county hall or what are they called, town hall, or the or the state capital, state capital or whatever.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_03:This is how you win. These is what these are how winners are made. Okay. Um, oh, now and then we've got some anonymous. If people don't know about anonymous, Claire and I are are termed the Mr. Mr. and Mrs. Mrs. Anonymous by OSA, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:By Office of Special Affairs, which we've tried to tell them on multiple occasions like, hello, you might need to work clear the word anonymous. Yeah, you've known who we are since the moment we escaped. We are not anonymous, we have nothing to do with anonymous. They were it was like 2010, 2011, 2012. They OSA and Scientology were convinced that we were the organizers of Anonymous, so much so that during our lawsuit, they actually um during discovery demanded all these emails that we had with these people, like a list of like 20 or 30 people who we had never heard of.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, they were like, we want all communication between you and this guy and this guy and this. And we were like, Who are these people? We had no idea who they were.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Anyway, I respected anonymous's anonymity. Uh, how do you say that? Anonymity's anonymity. Yeah, I didn't care who they were.
SPEAKER_01:They were doing a anonymous, anonymous, I have often said, inspired me so much because they had no skin in the game. They just saw Scientology as Scientology's abusive practices and stepped up and said, no, enough is enough. And you know, at the time, this was in our early days of just getting out. I was like, well, if these people who never had any involvement are stepping up and speaking out, then who am I to be fearful and silent?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, the Channology, there was the Anonymous, they made on um a like a separate protest, which is called or like a thread or forum or whatever group that was called Channology. And it was people from one of the Chans that were now after Scientology and they called it Channology. And I think their main like message board that they used was a website called Why We Protest. And I posted on there all the time. And I for one for a hot second, uh Bloneford Good was recommended reading for Anonymous. It was the by it was the pseudo bible of Anonymous. Uh because it would educate them on how the Sea Org worked and Scientology worked, so it was a good thing.
SPEAKER_01:And and your book does include a significant glossary of terms. Yes, it does. Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Anyway, this is Davey with an anonymous. Love it again, love it.
SPEAKER_01:This Texas clear clear Texas.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. So this was taken at a Scientology organization, and somebody there had this license plate on their car. And so they uh took a picture with that. Amazing. This is all this is, I mean, this is great, guys. Come on, yeah. If you're watching this video, let's get some thumbs up and some likes and some comments because this is what I started a YouTube channel for.
SPEAKER_01:Creativity at its best.
SPEAKER_03:We used to do on Why We Protest, we used to do um David Miscavige Shoops.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:And so people would uh get a picture of David Miscavige and they'd shoop it up in Photoshop and they make it funny. Well, now with AI, I mean, we should do the sky's alone we should do a shoop, like uh uh best shoops as well. Uh maybe I love me some shoops. Claire's like more stuff for me to file and process and David Ron in Dallas. So obviously he was outside the Scientology organization, and then he moved into the Scientology organization. Yep. This isn't a Scientology, every single Scientology organization has to have a bust, a bronze bust of L. Ron Hubbard, and they all do. I don't know who makes these things today. I don't think they've made any new ones. You know what?
SPEAKER_01:I remember seeing these when I was like six years old and being super fixated on how creepy this head was.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:The nose, the mouth, just like creepy. Dianetics Dave.
SPEAKER_03:Now he's here with another uh vehicle that's got some Scientology uh magnets on the side of it. Good one, good one, like it. Davy takes the OCA. That is the Oxford capacity analysis test that Scientology has that makes it seem like they have something to do with Oxford.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, not to be confused with Oxford because it has nothing to do with Oxford.
SPEAKER_03:Hubbard just thought, you know what? Let's put Oxford in the front of this.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, because why not?
SPEAKER_03:Make it more legitimate.
SPEAKER_01:Let's put church in front of the word Scientology and make it legitimately a church.
SPEAKER_03:Exactly. Dave takes the good, good one, good one. Okay, then this one, I mean, come on.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, come on. We're talking I have to say sets and props, folks. I know this was my favorite, honey, but you you get first picks.
SPEAKER_03:So yeah, so if you're if you're if you're listening on the podcast, we actually we have to remember Oh yeah, we have to describe it for the for our I was listening to folks on I know the uh my favorite podcast currently is Crime Junkies, and they do that all the time too.
SPEAKER_01:They're like, oh, so if you're you know not listening on the app for the podcast folks, tell us what you're seeing here. I'll describe it. We have a a prison cell with the Davy Elf located inside the prison cell. His um cell decorations are a photo of Elron Hubbard, yes, and his second cell decoration is his famous um or favorite photo of himself, David Miscavige, with his BFF bromance friend Tom Cruise, and looking in on said cell is none other than Mike Render Bobblehead.
SPEAKER_03:He's on the outside looking in.
SPEAKER_01:He's on the outside looking in.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, but on the on the photo with Dave and Tom, Dave Miscavige and Tom Cruise, it's them all leathered up on their on their crotch rock. Which by the way, I've got to tell you this. If you go on to grok, if you're uh a twit, if you're verified on Twitter, you get grok for free. So I use grok because I'm not had to pay anything for it. But if you go on to grok and ask him to tell you about David Miscavige and Tom Cruise on their crotch rockets, set it for unhinged. And uh, and you will have a laugh. I guarantee it. If you ask, in fact, if you ask grok anything about Scientology, it'll give you a pretty good answer. But if you put it on unhinged, it's particularly entertaining. Yeah, and you can even tell it no more it once it tells you you say no more vulgar. Oh no, no more. Don't use any there's no don't hold back. There's no words you can't say. It will it says it's a computer, so it can get away with some of this stuff. Um, anyway, it's very funny. Thank you for that one.
SPEAKER_01:All right, Mark's favorite, the lockup.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, so that's my pick. That's a winner. This person, what do they win? They win a bobblehead, right? Yes, you can win a Mike Bobblehead or a Leah Bobblehead.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, that's right. So you know, you know who you are. Send us your address, and we will by we, I mean I will get that shipped off to you.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. Okay, now we've got Dumpster Dave. Dumpster Dave. He is in the Scientology dumpster with some of their promotions or something like that, which is kind of wild. Yep. Okay, and then um, this person was at the org for a while.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, on multiple trips that's true.
SPEAKER_03:They could have come back. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Lunch with a Scientologist. This is the best.
SPEAKER_03:So there's a Scientologist on the other bench across from Dayton.
SPEAKER_01:Of course, of course, we've appropriately edited the this person's face out. Yeah, but it's still funny. But it is still funny.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and we're not trying to harass.
SPEAKER_01:No, no, no, in fact, that person should reach out to the aftermath foundation and we'll help them get out.
SPEAKER_03:We want to we want to be there and make some fun. And they go, what's that? And you go, Oh, that's a Davy doll. Just look it up on the uh interwebs, and then boom, they're in the aftermath.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, what do we got? Uh Skadoosh.
SPEAKER_01:Mission Impossible featuring Davy.
SPEAKER_03:This is another great one. This was one of the ones I thought, oh, I like this one a lot. You know how Tom Cruise is always running and jumping and driving motorcycles off stuff. This guy's motorcycle destruction structure budget has got to be out there. Yeah, he destroys like seven motorcycles a movie.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:Um, anyway, in this one, I don't know, I've I haven't seen any of these movies, but it looks like Tom Cruise is either climbing into a plane or falling out of one, or there's something going on with this plane. And look, Davy doll is hanging on for his line.
SPEAKER_01:It almost looks like Tom is swooping in to save Port A. V.
SPEAKER_03:That's true. He could be, or Davy Doll could just be falling through frame, just from another plane somewhere. Somebody pushed him out over something.
SPEAKER_01:After all, Davy is a potential trouble source.
SPEAKER_03:He is, he has got Davy has got all kinds of problems. The only good thing about him is that he's got velcro hands. Okay, that seems to be kind of cool. I've seen those could probably be gosh, imagine putting on a shirt or something like that. Maybe one of those wool sweaters. That velcro's gonna snag on everything. That's so sorry about that, Davy. Um, observing staff. Oh, so now he's at a restaurant nearby.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, the staff is getting lunch and he's just there observing, which is is something Davy Davy Miscavige would actually do.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, what look at this guy.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, look at this guy.
SPEAKER_03:He's off from five minutes early.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, he left the org two minutes before his scheduled lunchtime.
SPEAKER_03:How dare he to get a crappy subway?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, what's up with that?
SPEAKER_00:He's got other fish to fry.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. Uh BFG ASMR. Okay. Uh Dave's a PTS. This is a good one.
SPEAKER_00:Yep, it's a great one.
SPEAKER_03:You know, Pittsburgh Transport Services. PTS sounds good to me. Um, love it, love it, love it. Um, and then we've got Davy Got Curious. Is this in London?
SPEAKER_01:Yes, this is the billboard that we did by Tottenham Court. Um, I'm a Scientologist.
SPEAKER_03:Nice. There was one of you, Alex, and Mike, right? Yes. This is the one we're showing the one with Mike.
SPEAKER_01:And they were in the exact same location as previously Scientology had had.
SPEAKER_03:And also the one when Dave that's where Mike Rinder left Scientology.
SPEAKER_01:He went to that station and GTFO'd. Yes. So it was significant on a few different counts. Spooky Davy. That's right.
SPEAKER_03:We do have Halloween, so we've got a little Davy. Uh, just it looks like he's on sitting on like some kind of rocking chair or bench metal chairs type thing.
SPEAKER_01:And he's sitting next to a skeleton who's wearing a nice plaid shirt with a sunflower straw hat.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, there we go. All right, Davy and the great pumpkin. So here we have Davy riding on a pumpkin um next to a little plant. And what is that little orange?
SPEAKER_03:It's just like a little demon guy.
SPEAKER_01:Little demon guy next to a coffee cup. Yeah, there you go. Anyway, it's quite fitting, it's quite demonic looking.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. No, wait, wait. It says, oh, I'm not going to change that, but it's Clara. Clara says, I had to wing it with some of these picture names. Sorry, guys. Yeah, you did amazing, Clara. Thank you.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Visiting the Scientology sites. So here we have Davey in front of um the Fort Harrison, I think that is, or right around there. Either way, no, that's the it might be the new building across from the Fort Harrison.
SPEAKER_03:It's in Clearwater, down in their clearwater stuff.
SPEAKER_01:On their main stretch of real estate uh mogul land.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah. Oh, somebody said he's riding a crow, too.
SPEAKER_01:Oh. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, he's riding a crow in the oh, so we're back to the skeleton. The skeleton one. I was like, what?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, there you go. It's dark.
SPEAKER_03:The crow blended into the background. Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:All right. The gift of SP. So this is SP Danny. You're such a good SP. So I told chairman of the board to personally give you a bracelet. And this is coming from a picture of Pat Harney. Oh, yes. And uh who is Office of Special Affairs for Clearwater. Thank you, SP Danny, for this photo.
SPEAKER_02:Nice.
SPEAKER_01:Um, and Davy is in front of Pat Harney with an SP shop bracelet. Uh, the that's a little bag that the SP bracelets come in. There you go, the SP shop. Perfect. Yes. All right, blackout drunk, Claire's favorite. So this was the reason my favorite. Here's Davy, and he's laying Blackout Drunk in front of a bottle of Sevilla Orange, Tankaray, and Corvo.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And on his phone, it has um one of the Office of Special Affairs hate websites, and it has a very dark, gloomy looking photo of Tom DeVocht with one of Tom's family members on a video uh spreading lies about.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, and that's what Davey's watching.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, that's what he's watching, and that's what he went blackout drunk in his fervor over the the glorious hate sites that Office of Special Affairs has created that nobody watches.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. Okay, good. Next one. That and that was your favorite. That was so that that you to be fair.
SPEAKER_01:That was my second choice.
SPEAKER_03:I didn't know which one do they win or not?
SPEAKER_01:You want do they win? Yes, they win. Perfect. They win.
SPEAKER_03:You're a winner. Um we both picked the same one as our favorite.
SPEAKER_01:That was the issue. All right. SP on Maine. SP on Maine, and here is David Miscavige. He's being in he's at SP on Maine.
SPEAKER_03:Fake Navy Davy.
SPEAKER_01:Fake Navy Davy. What did I say?
SPEAKER_03:David Miscavige.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, fake Navy Davies. My bad. I mean, you know, kind of get his face mixed up a little every once in a while.
SPEAKER_03:So looks so much alike. Um, this is a store, and it has a giant sign. It says SP on Maine, and little Davy's like, check it out. And uh he's that's the picture.
SPEAKER_01:Yep, there you go. Tom's number one fan, fake Navy Davy, is on Hollywood Boulevard at Tom Cruise's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Somebody said so. Davey is obsessed with all Tom's DeVox and Cruz.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you know what? That's a really good point, Claire. Yes, right, exactly.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, next one.
SPEAKER_01:And Tom Thumb.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Prizes Mike Render or Leah read me bobblehead. Yeah. So if you were one of those winners, um just shoot me an email, Claire at blownforgood.com.
SPEAKER_01:Tell me what which one you'd like and your address, and we'll get that shipped off to you. And thank you to the many people who participated. See, every once in a while it's just good to have a little bit of fun, right, honey?
SPEAKER_03:Absolutely. To submit photos, you can go to the blownforgood.com forward slash contact us. And you can also tag us at blownforgood on X and any of the other socials. Um, but if you D DM or send us a message or tag us, is we'll most likely see it. But you can also just send it, go to the website. Now, I did find out the Blown for Good Um contact us page, you can submit an image on there. Yes, it has some tests that you have to do. And even I boofed one of the tests and it aired. So you've got to make sure you fill in the um the you know the capture.
SPEAKER_01:I'm a human and yeah, all that stuff.
SPEAKER_03:There's a lot of spam and there's a lot of bots and there's a lot of nonsense on the internet. So you more and more we have to have that stuff because people can just auto bomb us with stuff unless it has that. Yep. So um, but yeah, do that, send it to us, and um those will go into All the ones we get from now forward will be part of the no the early December video we'll do when we go through all these and give these away and all that happy hoo ah. Yes. Now, even though we just did all that, oh I gotta put us back up in the big screen here. Um, even though we did all that, um we're still gonna do a giveaway today. Yay! Because Claire loves her a giveaway.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So why not?
SPEAKER_01:We are gonna do we appreciate our audience and we're grateful to everyone. Well, not me again. There we go. Okay, awesome.
SPEAKER_03:I got it under control. All right, all right, okay, so I'm going to the giveaway tool. There's 117 entries currently. Nice. We're going to draw. If you've made a comment in today's video, you automatically get entered into win. Each comment, you can do 10 comments, you can do one comment. It's one entry.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:So there's 170 entry.
SPEAKER_01:That's why we use this tool because it's kind of handy dandy. And we really like the slow mo that comes up at the end.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my god, this is the best idea ever. What uh love it says you should make these into a calendar.
SPEAKER_01:Oh what do you think? 2026 calendar.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, 2026 calendar. We the good ones, like some really nice shots.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's a great idea. It's not hard to do it. No, it's not. Okay, we'll think about that one. We'll we'll give we'll put that into the thing.
SPEAKER_03:It should be the winners. It should come, it should come from the winners for sure.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. I mean, we had some really creative entries this month, yeah, too. So to everyone who partis participated, if you didn't win, it's not because we don't appreciate it. And um, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, we're gonna do this now. That gave you guys I I was riffing. Okay, I gave you guys a little bit of time to jam in a comment there.
SPEAKER_01:If you didn't go, we got to do that.
SPEAKER_03:Went up to 123 people have entered. So uh here we go.
SPEAKER_01:124.
SPEAKER_03:We're doing 124. Okay. Oh uh I love it when I win. If I win on this time, it'll be a problem. Okay, how do you say that?
SPEAKER_01:My luness.
SPEAKER_03:Miluness.
SPEAKER_01:Miluness. Congratulations, you win. Send me an email, Claire at blownforgood.com, and you will get a fake navy Davy.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I like look at low food, low food kitchen here. Get people comments are gonna do that.
SPEAKER_01:See Mark's managed to keep his big hands out of Claire's shot today. I know Mark came down early because I said, honey, you gotta get your hands out of my face. It's really inappropriate.
SPEAKER_03:No, I didn't come down early. I moved the camera. Your camera is now over. So look how far I can reach out. And look, look at that. Nothing.
SPEAKER_01:See, nothing. We're good. I done fixed I kept having to hit him like, hey, get out of my face.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I took proactive. I was proactive in the situation. I took action.
SPEAKER_01:It wasn't because I kept complaining.
SPEAKER_03:Well, no, it I fixed it. I did something in response to it being an issue.
SPEAKER_01:Good job. Good job. Thank you.
SPEAKER_03:Um, Clara loves the PowerPoint. Yeah, we love Clara does it. Clara is doing some great uh graphics for us on these, and uh, we very much appreciate it.
SPEAKER_01:Yep. Um and just a reminder today's show will redirect right to an episode, the next episode that Phil Jones and I did of Myths versus Fects over at the Michael J. Render Aftermath Foundation YouTube channel. Please like and subscribe. Uh, we're really trying to build a subscriber count over there so that eventually we can host foundation fundraiser fundraisers there. Um, but yes, we have many amazing things uh happening at the Michael J. Render Aftermath Foundation. Lots of great news.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you know, somebody said Claire looks a little blurry on her camera.
SPEAKER_01:I do. I know I see that now.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and I that's what I've been trying to resolve. And it for some reason, you know what? I bet you if I auto focus it, hold on. Let's do it. We'll do it live.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, lovely. That's great. That's just wonderful. We're gonna do it live, folks. Oh, she got really blurry.
unknown:We'll do it live.
SPEAKER_01:Becky, big brother fan says, hold on, here we go. Thank you, Claire, Mark, and the wonderful mods. Yes, of course. Absolutely. Thank you for being here. We appreciate it. Oh, somebody just said the um foundation one premiered early.
SPEAKER_03:It did. It I already have it going, but you can still watch it.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_03:This video will redirect to that.
SPEAKER_01:Perfect.
SPEAKER_03:So if you didn't see it, you'll see it. Yeah, and if you already saw it, you'll see it again, or you'll watch something else.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, there you go. Katherine Olson says, Oh, wait, too beautiful to capture. Oh, I her Catherine Olson says, Thanks, everyone. Yes, there we go. Okay, awesome. All right, I'll stop pushing buttons now.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, take it easy there, Red Rider. Um, yeah, no, the video came out. Um, I couldn't redirect to it for some reason. It wouldn't let me redirect to it no matter what I did. So once I made it live, it let me redirect to it.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, there you go.
SPEAKER_03:So YouTube was having some funkiness or something. I don't know. Yeah, anyway. Thank you everybody for coming today. We had a good time.
SPEAKER_00:We did.
SPEAKER_03:Um, we're good, we've got uh December's gonna be a little rough, so we're gonna try to do a video every week in November if we can.
SPEAKER_01:And we have Serge Obolinski coming to visit us for Thanksgiving. That's right, which is amazing. I'm so excited. He's so excited. Thanks to your many mile points, we were able to get him a flight for free. So that's fan fabulous.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. And he's just gonna stay with us. Yes. So it's it's that's sort of like one of a big treat for him for the year.
SPEAKER_01:If we go there and oh, and and also to the viewer who donated um tickets for him for Serge to go to Magic Mountain recently, thank you so much. I will send you a picture. Amazing.
SPEAKER_03:Well, didn't they do it?
SPEAKER_01:The same viewer also gave us tickets for so that Serge can go to Elich Gardens one of the days that he's here in Colorado for Thanksgiving. So just amazing. We really appreciate everybody who supports what we do, supports our work. We're grateful for you. So thank you.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and also Serge is doing better and better every year. He's he really is he's he's really acclimating well, and he's part of groups and he's going to classes and he's doing things. So we thought we had we had high hopes, and he is doing really great.
SPEAKER_01:He is.
SPEAKER_03:So we were it's amazing. We were we we didn't know when this kind of first started.
SPEAKER_01:That's a huge undertaking.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah. He's doing amazing. He got his diploma. Yep. He mean if you guys haven't seen that um story of Serge Obolinski on our channel. Um, I'll try to uh put it in the um end screen so it directs to that. So if you're watching this on the replay, it should be in there. Um, it's on our channel, it's called The Story of Serge Obolinski.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and speaking of documentaries, we have lots of new, new, exciting things coming soon.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:So, but um, if you haven't seen that, you should watch that. If you're new to our channel, um, it's one of our favorite videos that we have. And um, and we it was it, I mean, it was many years and many years in the making. So I found a video of me making those um 3D printed hands from like I think 2013 or something.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no, I know because we we've yeah, anyway, it's been a a long time. It's a great video.
SPEAKER_03:Clara put a link in the comments, so we can I'll pin that comment too. I think there's a way I can do that here. No, I'll put it. I I think I put Clara in a timeout by accident. Oh no, I posted it. There you go. Uh sorry, the story of Serge Obolinski. There's a link there, but it's in the comments.
SPEAKER_01:Somebody said Deviant Outcast said if you watch it and haven't seen it before, bring tissues. Yes, agree. It's amazing.
SPEAKER_03:And everybody that was part of it and that worked on it, it all worked out really great. We really love it. So check that out. Otherwise, um, I think we're good, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, see you next time.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, until next time, guys. Thank you.
SPEAKER_01:Bye.
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