How Scientology Turns Space Opera Into Spiritual Debt - Scientology Secrets #20

A space opera with DC-8s, volcanoes, and billion-soul “implants” shouldn’t be the engine of a modern religion—yet that’s exactly the story that sits behind Scientology’s most guarded levels. We pull the curtain back on the Xenu narrative from OT III, lay out the official claims in plain English, and examine how secrecy, status, and relentless fundraising keep the bridge in motion long after the secret escaped the vault.

We walk through the alleged Galactic Confederation backstory, why “body thetans” and clusters become the never-ending problem you’re asked to pay to solve, and how health promises and ethics pressure can keep members from getting real medical care. You’ll hear how Sea Org culture borrows from the “loyal officers” myth, why OT levels are only delivered at advanced orgs, and how moving goalposts for OT 9 and 10 mask an empty pipeline. We also track the turning point—leaks in the 80s, South Park, Boston Legal, The Kaminsky Method—when pop culture and the internet made the once-forbidden story searchable in minutes.

Along the way, we share first-hand experiences helping people leave, briefing journalists on front groups like ABLE and Applied Scholastics, and speaking to students about new religious movements. Expect clear explanations, zero jargon, and a guided tour of the logic gaps—geology, physics, and those DC-8 wings in space—that reveal how a mid-century sci-fi imagination became high-priced revelation. If you’ve ever wondered how myth turns into machinery, or why drop-offs spike at Clear, OT III, and OT VIII, this conversation connects the dots.

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Transcript

Opening Banter And Live Roll Call

SPEAKER_05 0:26

Welcome back, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Blown for Good, Scientology Exposed. I'm here with my lovely wife, Claire.

SPEAKER_00 0:32

Howdy, howdy. Good to see everybody.

SPEAKER_05 0:36

We have an exciting episode for you today. Anyone who's watched the channel for uh a minute knows that I love me some Xenu. Okay. And we're going to be talking about Scientology and the Alien Overlord, Lord Xenu, the intergalactic overlord Xenu.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

Yep. It might be, you know, bordering on obsession at this point, but it's all good.

SPEAKER_05 1:01

What? Obsession? I don't think so. Obsession. I'm not obsessed with Xenu. I just like talking about him.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Sure. Whatever you like to tell yourself.

SPEAKER_05 1:11

Um anyway, let's find out. We we like to do a thing on the channel where we find out where everybody's watching from.

SPEAKER_00 1:17

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:18

So Claire's gonna read off some things. And we do have some funny comments from the uh Zenu is no carry carry.

SPEAKER_00 1:24

No, Zenu is my homeboy. There you go.

SPEAKER_05 1:26

Because this person said Zenu is my homeboy.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 1:32

Now let's not fight over Zenu. Okay, he can be everybody's homeboy if they want him to.

SPEAKER_00 1:37

Sure. Whatever.

SPEAKER_05 1:38

Um, and then this person says, Wait, how do we know Xenu is a boy? Zenu is my home girl. Now, I don't want to ruffle any feathers here, but this is an advanced alien civilization, so they know what's up. So it's a dude, okay?

SPEAKER_00 1:51

Oh my god. My my um, I couldn't wait to do that. Yeah, he was really getting excited. He's like, Oh, I've got the best response to that. Coffee milk, dude. I love the AI versions of Miscavige and others. Pretty funny. Yep, Mark likes messing around with uh grok does necessary trouble in the house. Hello, all from Eastern, Montana. Hogsbelly, hi from London, UK. Sherry, hi everyone from a Chili, Minnesota. Poodlebone, hello from New York City. Carla Green, hello, everyone from England. Nice. Nice. I love it when the we got to do it earlier.

SPEAKER_05 2:29

If we do an earlier video, they'll they'll show up.

SPEAKER_00 2:32

Yes, we just can't, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:34

Can't wait till after the Broncos game at five o'clock.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

Well, the Broncos are not playing today.

SPEAKER_05 2:40

That's right. They went on Thursday.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

Yay, go Broncos by the skin of their teeth. Not their best game ever. Mary Kate, happy Sunday from Albuquerque, New Mexico. And Yvonne, hi friends from Kerda Aline, Idaho. Chubby Ninja, hi from Copenhagen, Denmark.

SPEAKER_05 2:56

Oh, good. We got some Denmark folks.

SPEAKER_00 2:58

Cher, hello from the Netherlands. Nice. Barbara, hello everyone from a snowy western New York. Wow, snowy. Oh, we didn't know. We have not had snow yet. This is very concerning. It is November 9th, and we have not yet had our far snow of the season. All is not right. Uh Sue, hi everybody. Greetings from rainy central New York. All right. Rebecca, we talking Zeno. Hmm, starting to feel a little tickle of a cough. Must be pneumonia. There you go.

SPEAKER_04 3:29

I'll talk about that in the video, what that means.

SPEAKER_00 3:32

Catherine, hello from the Shire, also known as the Willamette Valley, Oregon.

SPEAKER_05 3:37

I thought the Shire was in the Hobbit.

SPEAKER_00 3:39

I know we were talking about this. Maybe it's both.

SPEAKER_05 3:43

Okay. Well.

SPEAKER_00 3:44

There you go. Whatever. We got it now. Magda, hello from Washington. Nice. Trevinon. Good evening from the Netherlands. Julie. Hello from Media, Pennsylvania. Tujah, Matika. Hello from Lisbon. Oh, I know that name. Patrina, hello from Reading, UK. Hi, Prina. Becky, big brother fan. Good evening, everyone from Rainy Reading, UK. Firebirds, Child. Hi from Philadelphia. Miss Freedom97. Hello from Texas. Grace Case. Hello from finally not hot Austin, Texas. Yay for fall. Scientology. Hello from New England. Nice.

SPEAKER_05 4:28

Oh, I might have skipped over one here. I'll look at this one.

SPEAKER_00 4:32

Christopher, hello from Los Feliz. Oh, there you go.

SPEAKER_05 4:36

Did I do did I skip over this one?

SPEAKER_00 4:37

No, we did. Oh, no, you did. Joseph, greetings from Chile, Indianapolis. Deborah, hi from Wisconsin Dells. We have snow. Nice. We're jealous. Scientology, hello from New England. Yep, we're good now. Oh, I missed that one. Greetings from Glasgow, LC. Um, hi from Atlanta. Nice. Hello from South Dakota. Hi, Kathy. And Brisker in the house, Mitch from somewhere in SoCal. Okay, very mysterious. Awesome.

SPEAKER_05 5:08

I think we got him. I think we got him, guys.

SPEAKER_00 5:10

All right.

SPEAKER_05 5:11

Um, okay, so should we just get right into it?

SPEAKER_00 5:15

Yeah, well. Sorry, I got distracted for a moment by our kitty cat.

SPEAKER_05 5:21

I know I told you to tell somebody to get him because he's gonna come hang out down here and meow that he wants to get in with us.

Behind-The-Scenes Advocacy Work

SPEAKER_00 5:26

Yeah, exactly. Okay. I figured before we get into it, we could just talk about some of the things that we do behind the scenes. Uh, we do we talk to a lot of people, of course, from all over the place in Scientology, under the radar Scientology, exposing Scientology. But in the last few weeks, we've done a few things worth talking about. Um, a couple of weeks ago, I did a a um a class with a with a college course in Australia in a in a college. And um I was really impressed by the questions that were asked. Um, this is something that Mike Grinder used to do, and they asked me to fill in. So I did it's like a zoom. You zoom in to this class to this college class on um it's you know, doing a study of uh different new religions and cults and so forth. And the questions that each all of the students asked were just amazing. And then you did something this last week too.

SPEAKER_05 6:27

I did an interview, I do interviews all the time.

SPEAKER_00 6:29

Well, I know, but I figured it was just worth talking about.

SPEAKER_05 6:32

It was for it was for an article that I think is coming out tomorrow in Sydney. I don't have a link to it yet. I'll put a link up on the Blown for Good X account, but um, and maybe we can put it on the YouTube account as well. We can put it on the community page.

SPEAKER_02 6:47

We can do that.

SPEAKER_05 6:48

But um, they were looking into whether or not a Scientology school in Sydney was connected to the C organization and Scientology. So I explained to them all how ABLE International and Applied Scholastics and all that stuff works.

SPEAKER_00 7:05

Scientology front groups, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:07

Scientology 100% runs a school that uses Scientology technology.

SPEAKER_00 7:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:12

Um, yes. So um, yeah, we do we do actually, I was thinking about that. You're right. We do do a lot of stuff, not just on the channel.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:21

But you know, other stuff for other people and people that want to do that.

SPEAKER_00 7:25

In addition to breaking people out on the reg, you know.

SPEAKER_05 7:27

Yeah, that's true. We do that too. The Scientology thing, it never ends, man.

SPEAKER_00 7:33

Yep. Um it will end eventually, but we're we're here until the end. We we'll be here till the bitter end.

SPEAKER_05 7:41

Exciting. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 7:43

There you go.

SPEAKER_05 7:43

Let's do the Zenu thing.

SPEAKER_00 7:45

All right, let's get into it.

SPEAKER_05 7:46

We didn't, oh God, there goes my uh thing. We we didn't tell everybody in the comments to tell us where they're watching from, but they did it anyway.

SPEAKER_00 7:54

I know they really are trained. Thank you guys. We love it.

SPEAKER_05 7:57

They trained like amazing. They just jam in there.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

Um insert eye roll.

SPEAKER_05 8:03

But also, everybody who's entered a comment into the video will be selected, they will be entered in to win a giveaway. Oh my Davy doll, he fell over one of these little jammies. Fake Navy Davy.

SPEAKER_00 8:19

Yes, we had so many great um photo contest entries for October. So don't forget, this is a new month, November. Uh, if you're thankful for what whatever, I'll I won't go down that that rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_05 8:33

Thankful. If you want a cat toy or a dog toy, pick yourself up one of these little bad boys. They love cat. I don't know what it is about animals, they really do love these things. They do dogs too. They're like a little stick for a dog.

SPEAKER_00 8:48

Yep, exactly. So we're looking forward to seeing. We've already got a few entries for November. Um, but we're we always love the creativity from everyone who participates in this fun little contest that we do to keep it light and keep it entertaining, or at least try to.

SPEAKER_05 9:04

Yes, and we did figure out what the deal is with Claire's camera. When when when she's on, she has a separate camera that's duplicated to two different feeds. And when see the top feed is a better quality, sharper, and then the bottom feed is the one that's the secondary feed. So we'll figure that out somehow, some point.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

Yep, it's but for now, if I'm looking fuzzy, I'm not feeling fuzzy, so it's all good.

Setting Up The Xenu Deep Dive

SPEAKER_05 9:30

She looks just fine, people. Uh okay, now let's talk about Xenu and Scientology. Now we're gonna cover everything about Xenu because some people might this might be their very first video on Lord Xenu and how it it relates to Scientology and all this other stuff. So Xinu and Scientology. Here we go. So these are the origins of of Lord Xenu in L. Ron Hubbard's writings.

SPEAKER_03 9:55

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 9:56

Okay. So Xinu is he was part of the Galactic Federation.

SPEAKER_00 10:01

Confederation.

SPEAKER_05 10:02

Confederation. What did I say?

SPEAKER_00 10:04

Federation.

SPEAKER_05 10:05

Oh, is it a confederation or is it a galactic federation? I think it is a confederation. It's a confederate of many planets. Um, and they think that Xinu is bad.

SPEAKER_03 10:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 10:18

Scientology. They don't worship Xenu. There's a lot of confusion on that they worship aliens or they Zenu is their god. No, no, Zenu is Lex Luthor in the Scientology world. He's a bad guy.

SPEAKER_03 10:30

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 10:31

Now, that doesn't mean he is a bad guy, because they'd think we're bad guys too.

unknown 10:36

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 10:36

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 10:37

But Lord Zenu is the one who designated Earth, also known as TGAC, as a prison planet.

SPEAKER_05 10:45

Yeah, I think we're going to get to that. But either way, um, he supposedly was a bad guy, according to Scientology.

SPEAKER_02 10:51

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 10:52

He was part of the Galactic Confederation, which was an alliance of all these different planets. And um, they were this is a way off in space. I want to say somewhere that Hubbard said it was like nine light years or some amount, 70 light years, or many, many light years from Earth. Okay, so let's keep that into not in the same zip code, in other words, definitely not in the same zip code. We're talking about a long distance relationship.

SPEAKER_01 11:20

Yes, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 11:21

Okay. So, and this was this all happened 75 million years ago. Okay, that's when this thing that we're talking about, when Lord Zenu first showed up on the radar, was 75 million years ago.

SPEAKER_01 11:35

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 11:36

Okay. Now this gets crazier as we go. Well, if it hasn't gotten crazy already, it gets worse.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

Okay. So there's And wait, there's more.

SPEAKER_05 11:46

Yeah, wait, there's more. So there was an overpopulation and these planets, these the 76 Alliance planets, had 178 billion people per planet. It was a little bit crowded. Just a just a tad. But to be fair, we don't know the size of these planets.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

I know, that's what I was gonna say. We have many missing pieces of it.

SPEAKER_05 12:10

There's a lot of holes in this story.

SPEAKER_00 12:12

Yes, of course. You cannot insert logic into any of this, just FYI.

SPEAKER_05 12:16

And also were there that many, it was that many people per planet. Well, that would kind of denote that the planets were all the same size.

SPEAKER_00 12:27

Good point. Again, you can't insert too much logic.

SPEAKER_05 12:30

And also, how is it that they divided people among these planets so perfectly evenly?

The Galactic Confederation Backstory

SPEAKER_00 12:36

True. Maybe they had like a a um, you know, max capacity.

SPEAKER_05 12:40

Well, also, okay, there's another point we don't know. We don't know how big these folks were. Okay, they could have been they could have been little mice-sized people. True. And then it's a whole nother point. Then it's a whole nother ball game.

SPEAKER_00 12:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 12:53

A lot of holes in this story.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

Yeah, nor do we know how much real estate they had, either on the surface, or maybe that some of these were populatable, populatable underneath the surface.

SPEAKER_05 13:05

Yeah, regardless, there's a lot of holes in the story. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 13:09

But maybe they had multi-tiers, like you could go up above the planet.

SPEAKER_05 13:13

But they didn't want they didn't want all these people. No, that's the bottom line.

SPEAKER_00 13:17

Yeah, they had a problem.

SPEAKER_05 13:18

Too many folks, aliens on all these 70, 76 planets? Yeah, 76 planets. Okay. So Lord Zenu.

SPEAKER_00 13:30

And boy, how did they manage to? I mean, we have enough problems on our planet. Can you imagine 76 planets being an alliance?

SPEAKER_05 13:37

Yeah, but also it's just there's so many, so many holes in this story.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 13:43

Okay. But now listen, um, Zenu was basically tasked with getting rid of these folks.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

Yes. And he very carefully selected the unwanted segments of population that should be depopulated, which was uh Well, no, it was people who owed taxes. Well, it was owed taxes, it was the criminals, it was the artists, okay, it was the um the smart people, like the philosopher type minds.

SPEAKER_04 14:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:11

So get rid of anyone who's gonna ask any questions, get it get rid of anyone who's gonna ask cause any problems, get rid of the creative folk, you know.

SPEAKER_05 14:20

Okay, so basically all the aliens that were up to doing something that they didn't want, basically.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

Well, but to be fair, uh, they weren't necessarily aliens.

SPEAKER_05 14:30

We're all talking, we're talking about well, they're aliens because they're not from I know, but they weren't from Earth.

SPEAKER_00 14:36

No, they weren't.

SPEAKER_05 14:37

They're aliens. Yes, exact they're not from Earth. What kind of alien? We don't know if they were Klingons or I know, but I don't want to body shame the beings. Body shame. What a man. Oh my goodness. Okay, so they take these aliens, okay. Now, this is also the most uh this is insanity. They want to fly all these aliens from their galactic federation of 76 planets, and they want to bring them to Earth. Okay. Now, this is where I think the story really starts to break apart, okay? Because they wanted to transport them in planes that look like DC8s. Okay. Now, how to tell me that you wrote this in the 1960s without telling me you wrote this in the 1960s. Hubbard, a science fiction writer, that's also a great point. If your buddy is your buddy starts a religion and he's a baker, probably not going to be any aliens in his uh in his origin story. Maybe some, maybe some croissants, maybe some bread rolls, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:46

Starter kits.

SPEAKER_05 15:46

Really awesome start, sourdough starter, but probably not any aliens. Yeah, if your religion was founded by a science fiction writing, the chances of you having aliens in your origin story increases exponentially.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

True, true, true.

SPEAKER_05 16:03

Okay. So they take them to TGAC. That's what Earth is called in in Hubbard's OT3 writings, operating fate in level three.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

He calls Earth TGA, also known as the wall of fire.

SPEAKER_05 16:16

That's what OT3 is known as, the wall of fire, yes. Yes, okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

Because going through that level is transpiring, that was you, not me, transpiring the wall of fire, getting to the other side of a wall of fire.

SPEAKER_05 16:30

Yes. Okay. Now, where do you put these people? Well, you in order to transport them, also many, many light years it took them to come here. That's why I think this DC eight story. I mean, I don't know what kind of DC8s you guys are flying on, but the ones I've been on or seen, they ain't doing warp or light speed any time.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

Maybe they had some special alien fuel.

SPEAKER_05 16:57

I know, but it just is so silly to me that they have DC eights.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

Of course.

SPEAKER_05 17:01

Okay. Agreed. And where are they gonna put all these guys? Yeah, they they froze they didn't did they freeze them when they train before they transported them. So they froze them in like glycol. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 17:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 17:14

And then they brought them to earth and then they dumped them in volcanoes. And it was like 10 different volcanoes, some of which didn't even exist. Hubbard laid out where all the volcanoes were based on where volcanoes are now. But 75 million years ago, those volcanoes weren't there.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

Right.

SPEAKER_05 17:36

Another big giant hole in the story.

SPEAKER_00 17:38

Well, another big giant hole in the story is that a Thetan is considered to be separate to the physical universe, like not associated with the Yeah, it's like a soul, not a it's like a it's so therefore, if that's the case, yeah. How can it be trapped in a hydrogen cube?

SPEAKER_05 17:56

Well, okay. They've got alien tech we don't know about.

SPEAKER_00 18:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 18:00

That's plausible. Okay, they can do shit we can't do. All right, okay, but they can't come up with a better jet or space plane. Okay, let's just leave that there.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

Maybe that was the most modern.

SPEAKER_05 18:13

We'll put a pin in that. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 18:16

Available in the 60s.

SPEAKER_05 18:17

That's what I'm saying. He was like, what kind of plane was it? No, he doesn't, he just says they would look like DC eights, but with different engines.

SPEAKER_03 18:25

Yeah.

DC-8s, Volcanoes, And Implants

SPEAKER_05 18:26

Not that's not how they're built. I guarantee you, no spaceship going forward for the rest of time will look like a DCA. Okay. So he dumps these, um, he dumps these aliens, he freezes them, and then he dumps them in the volcanoes, and then he made this device to capture them when they came out of the volcano. Okay. And that captured the souls, what they call body thetans. Now, in Scientology, this is another very confusing point because when you're new in Scientology, you learn about theta and this and theta and that, and the mind and the body and the theton, theton, thetan, thetan, thatin, thetan. Okay. Now it's not thetan, it's thetan, like satan with lisp, thetan. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:15

Now pronunciation is key.

SPEAKER_05 19:19

It is, because if you say thetan, it's funnier, but it's not the that's not how the Scientologists will know you don't know what you're talking about. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

So you gotta say, just remember Thetan rhymes with Satan, and you got a good that's right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:32

Okay, so now you have these souls that they've captured, and then they somehow they gathered all these things up, and then they implanted them by putting them in giant floating movie screens, like video walls. And they played images to all these souls so that they would like the man on the cross and angels and demons and demons, and they played them all these the cherub and the chariot and all the trains and all these weird Scientology books. The imagery on these on all Scientology basic books are the images that they played for these Thetans. If you if you if you didn't know that, all the basic Scientology books are related to this Zenu story, all of them, which is kind of crazy as well. So, and one of those is a volcano. And the volcano is on the cover of the very first Scientology book, yes, Dianetics. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 20:43

So this was designed, by the way. That imagery is intended to make you realize that, oh, of course, even if you don't realize it, you have traumatic memories on your whole track associated with volcanoes. So therefore, when you see the image of a volcano, you're gonna go, Oh, volcano, I remember that.

SPEAKER_05 21:02

This is this 100%. This is how Hubbard designed all this. So the idea is when you see one of these images, it will trigger you to go, oh, I remember that, or I have a flashback.

SPEAKER_00 21:16

Yes, I need this entrapment in my life. Let me enter this cult.

SPEAKER_05 21:19

Yeah. So if you look, we should probably get all those books and just show all the different things. That could be when we do next week, we'll do a QA.

SPEAKER_03 21:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 21:29

On this video, yeah, or any whatever questions you have, and we'll show you all the basics, the Scientology book covers, and all the images that they think.

SPEAKER_00 21:40

Yeah, maybe one of these one of these weeks we can also do a deep dive on the book Have You Lived Before This Life?

SPEAKER_05 21:46

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 21:47

That has some cool.

SPEAKER_05 21:48

Get your people on it. Let's get some slides rocked together. Whatever you want. I don't I don't have to be the the the engine run of this train. You can do whatever you need, the conductor or whatever. Okay. So the loyal officers were sent to stop Zenu. And now this is the part where I don't understand. So, who did the loyal officers work for? They worked for the Galactic Confederation, but if Zenu got rid of all these people, the the way it's couched in Scientology is he did this, it was a like a power, a rogue power play that he was doing to amass popularity and votes in the Confederacy. And so the loyal officers is like, you just can't be getting rid of all these people, these aliens.

SPEAKER_00 22:35

Yeah, you can't be able to entrapping all these um innocent people, even if a segment of them are criminals. You know, it's just not it's not it's not right.

SPEAKER_05 22:46

And again, we don't know the whole story. They could have been on a cruise, like a an Earth cruise, an intergalactic earth cruise, and this whole thing was just a bit confusing.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:55

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 22:56

Or it could have been like, hey, here's your free cruise, uh, newsflash. If it sounds and if it had if it seems better than it is, there's there's something rotten in Denmark.

SPEAKER_05 23:07

Anyway, however, I don't know what he never went, ended up going back to the Confederacy. He all he never left Earth. So who knows? Okay, but either way, the loyal officers after he gets rid of all the the aliens and does all these this volcano excitement, then they catch him and then they put him into a mountain. This is another crazy part of the story that ties into Scientology. They put him in an underground vault in a mountain. Now, most people don't have underground vaults. No, most cults don't have giant underground vaults all over the place that are locked up and have titanium capsules and all this. No, and most cults aren't locking up an alien one of those.

SPEAKER_00 23:54

Yeah, we we didn't actually get a chance to ask John Delyn about that piece when we were on Mormon Stories. They have underground bunkers. They have underground bunkers and vaults and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_05 24:04

Okay, well, email him and ask him. Okay, okay. We can email and we can talk to him. We can call him and say, hey John, what's up with uh your your secret bunkers? Do you guys have secret bunkers over in Mormonland? Okay, so they put him and they they lock up Zenu and they lock him in an in an underground um jail, basically, and then they have the bars are on battery power. Okay, fine. This happened 75 million years ago. Yeah, do they have like Dura cells or well, I mean they have energizers?

SPEAKER_00 24:41

Again, back to circling back to well, we don't know what battery tech that Galactic Confederation had.

SPEAKER_05 24:48

It wasn't those generic Amazon. Maybe it's battery tech.

SPEAKER_00 24:51

No Amazon basics, maybe they have battery tech that we haven't discovered yet. Yeah, but maybe there was solar power.

SPEAKER_05 24:59

There's no mention of solar power in any of this.

SPEAKER_00 25:02

That's true.

SPEAKER_05 25:02

Okay, it says batteries. Hubbard said batteries. I don't know. That seems like a long-lasting battery. 75 million years.

SPEAKER_03 25:12

True that.

SPEAKER_05 25:13

Okay, so and that's where he's locked up to this day, according to Scientology. I happen to know for a fact that's not true, and he got out long ago.

SPEAKER_00 25:22

Okay, now that's why you were so excited about getting the Xenu as my homeboy from Maine.

SPEAKER_05 25:28

Zinu is my homeboy. I own that Xinu as my homeboy. That's me.

SPEAKER_03 25:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:33

All the merch, all that, it's from here. If you find another rogue Zenu as my homeboy shirt floating around there, that's not that's not official. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:42

It's not not sanctioned.

Body Thetans, Clusters, And Influence

SPEAKER_05 25:44

Um, and and Xinu in revolution follows. Zinu's in in uh imprisoned in a cage. And then it says he was a locked away within, I can't read it, in a mountain where he remains today.

SPEAKER_01 25:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 25:59

Okay, now that's that's basically the story.

SPEAKER_00 26:03

Allegedly.

SPEAKER_05 26:04

Yeah, from no, it is the story from Allen Hummer. It's not allegedly, that's Hubbard's version of what happened. That's Hubbard's alleged of what happened.

SPEAKER_00 26:12

That's what Hubbard alleges.

SPEAKER_05 26:14

Okay, now this is the part where I think this gets kind of crazy because Scientology has worked very, very hard to keep this a secret. Right. They don't want anybody to know this.

unknown 26:27

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 26:27

Even though, like we said, all their books kind of tie into the story.

SPEAKER_03 26:32

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 26:33

Battlefield Earth is about this story. Yeah, it's about the aliens in uh Battlefield Earth are the psych cyclos, and they're a bad alien. And um Hubbard wrote a screenplay called Revolt in the Stars to make to yeah, to make a movie of this story. Yes, and that's which is kind of crazy if he wants to keep it a secret. Right. And why are we doing this a movie about it?

SPEAKER_00 27:00

Well, he hadn't figured out figured that out yet, but that is where I will say I think it's worth talking about this. Uh, not as, you know, um well, the reason why is because many Scientologists get into Scientology and there's there's a facade created that when they get to the upper levels after paying a lot of money, then everything's gonna change and it will all make sense. And they will stay in Scientology because of that promise to keep going.

SPEAKER_05 27:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:36

So um and well, yeah, but but you're right.

SPEAKER_05 27:40

So the way they couch it is that you're gonna learn the basics of Scientology, and if you stay in and pay up enough money, then we're gonna tell you some super secret stuff.

SPEAKER_00 27:52

That's right.

SPEAKER_05 27:52

That will be life-changing that's gonna change, altering, it's gonna blow your mind and you're gonna be a whole new person.

SPEAKER_00 27:58

That's right.

SPEAKER_05 27:59

Okay, and what happens when they do this, because we didn't cover kind of one of the key points, which is in Scientology, they believe that those souls of those aliens that were dropped off here on earth and that got programmed, they were all let go in the end to just roam the earth. And they went into humans by the tens, hundreds of thousands into one human.

SPEAKER_00 28:31

Yeah, that part is another huge part.

SPEAKER_05 28:35

I understand, but that's what they're but that's what Hubbard wrote.

SPEAKER_00 28:38

Right.

SPEAKER_05 28:39

Is that you're all humans, there's basically just millions and billions of these aliens everywhere that have been compacted into the humans on earth. That's right, but no, every time a new human shows up, they just swarm it and they infest it. No, that's what happens. Every time a new human shows up on earth, these aliens are dying for somewhere to go and they go into those humans.

SPEAKER_00 29:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 29:08

Right?

SPEAKER_00 29:08

Yeah, I mean, well, you did all this stuff.

SPEAKER_05 29:11

Don't mean what do you what do you mean right?

SPEAKER_00 29:13

You know, by that point, you're not asking questions. Like I've always said, this is the most elaborate version of the Emperor's new clothes, one of the most elaborate versions that exists.

SPEAKER_05 29:25

Okay, because people You gotta let Oreo in.

SPEAKER_00 29:28

Okay, I'm gonna go.

SPEAKER_05 29:28

She's gonna let Oreo in while I yap here. Anyway, Oreo is our cat, and he he kind of likes me. So if I'm in a room that he can't get into, he's gonna come up in here. He I don't know if he'll jump up on the table or not. I know Oreo, take it easy. Okay, anyway, so the aliens go into the people, and what and basically Hubbard on OT level three, Hubbard says he you you learn the story. And then you learn at the very end of OT3, you got about a hundred thousand or more of these aliens in you right now.

SPEAKER_00 30:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:08

Maybe even millions.

SPEAKER_00 30:09

Because because there's body thitens, but then there's clusters, and clusters are compacted to like even like millions of aliens in one cluster.

SPEAKER_05 30:21

And you could have hundreds of thousands of clusters.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 30:24

So everybody's got a whole bunch of aliens in them. Okay. Now you say, well, how is that possible? We don't know that an alien is not the size, theoretically, of an amoeba.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

It could be not even a size because it's not size is part of the exactly.

SPEAKER_05 30:41

So it's just an idea.

SPEAKER_00 30:43

Right. It's just an energy.

SPEAKER_05 30:44

It's an energy.

SPEAKER_00 30:45

An energy that doesn't exist in reality in the physical universe.

SPEAKER_05 30:51

But the thing is, is that these aliens were all over the map. Some of them were super creative, some of them were criminals, some of them were politicians. Who knows?

SPEAKER_03 31:01

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 31:02

And they want to be getting up to that again. And so they affect your decisions and your life. They control and basically influence how you act.

SPEAKER_01 31:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 31:14

Because they and they're all different. And there's millions and millions of them. So who knows what you're going to get up to?

SPEAKER_00 31:21

Right. And some of them think that they're, for example, uh, you know, uh Abraham Lincoln or Jesus Christ, or, you know, they're being that that identity.

Health Claims, Cancer, And Denial

SPEAKER_05 31:34

Um, Hubbard calls that the valence. They're in the valence of some other thing or whatever, a criminal or a murder, or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 31:42

And some of them are in the valence of cancer.

SPEAKER_05 31:45

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

That's how that's how uh Hubbard alleged alleged that the upper levels. No, he's still floating around. This is how Hubbard alleged that this technology could cure cancer.

SPEAKER_05 32:00

Yeah. And also, that is also another thing we should say. Scientologists, there's Scientologists have a high rate of cancer death.

SPEAKER_03 32:08

They do.

SPEAKER_05 32:09

And the reason is because they don't believe they're gonna get rid of the cancer medically, but they could get rid of it Scientology way by getting rid of these body thetans. Yeah. If you get rid of all of your body thetans, then you won't, you'll cure cancer.

SPEAKER_00 32:28

But also logistically and factually, if a Scientologist gets sick, their main focus is not to go to the doctor and do a whole big investigation. Their main focus is, oh, I'm a potential trouble source, which means I'm connected to a suppressive person in my life. So their focus is on fixing that versus really digging into, well, wait a minute, I just lost 30 pounds. What's going on?

SPEAKER_02 32:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:54

So at least what in the years that we were there.

SPEAKER_02 32:57

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 32:57

The amount, especially, and it's exacerbated with staff members and members of the C organization because they don't have access to proper medical care.

SPEAKER_05 33:05

But also, you don't sleep and you don't eat for months at a time, and your body is always sore and you're always exhausted and you're always tired. So then when you get cancer and you get sore, exhausted, and tired is no different than everything else. You're just more exhausted.

SPEAKER_00 33:22

Same with extreme weight loss. You're in ethics trouble, you lose a lot of weight.

SPEAKER_05 33:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:26

You have cancer, you lose a lot of weight. It's like just a another thing. You could always we could always tell who was in trouble because it'd be like, Oh, yeah, wow, what happened to Billy Bob? He's like half the guy he used to be.

SPEAKER_05 33:37

And he's got a really nice tan. I guess digging ditches outside all day, every day, kick will uh make you fit and uh and tan.

SPEAKER_03 33:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:46

Yeah, we would you would definitely you somebody would disappear for six or nine months or whatever. And then when they'd show back up, you'd be like, Holy moly, where have you been?

SPEAKER_00 33:57

Like that happened with Annie Broker, Tidman Logan.

SPEAKER_05 34:00

Happened with Mark Yeager. He was in the swamp for like three years. Yes. And when he came back, he was like a totally different looking dude.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 34:08

Okay. So let's get back to the um let's get back to the presentation.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

Yes, let's do that.

SPEAKER_05 34:14

Okay. So this is so Scientology have been trying to keep this secret.

SPEAKER_00 34:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 34:18

They they they don't want anybody to know about it.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

No, because they believe that you have to be properly prepared and have advanced through the state of clear to be ready to learn about these levels. And if you don't, then it could be very damaging to your health. And that's where pneumonia comes into play.

SPEAKER_05 34:37

Yeah. It's also harder to sell somebody something for$300 or$400 or$500,000 when they've already watched it on South Park seven years ago.

SPEAKER_04 34:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 34:47

Okay. True that. So this is kind of a crazy thing because Scientology, for decades, this thing was pretty secret. Yes, it was for the most part, it was pretty secret.

SPEAKER_00 34:58

Yeah, at least until what was it, the mid 80s.

SPEAKER_05 35:01

In the 1980s, some people that left Scientology took some materials with them.

SPEAKER_00 35:06

Yeah. Can you take me off double, please?

SPEAKER_05 35:09

Sure. Jeez Louise. Um, they took they took these materials and then they leaked them. They started putting them out and sharing them with people and putting them on the interwebs and all these different things. And then this is where Scientology really, really messed up because they tried to sue one of these people for leaking these materials.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 35:34

That they said weren't part of their religion.

SPEAKER_00 35:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 35:38

They said these materials aren't real. This is all made up.

SPEAKER_00 35:41

Yeah, these are these are from the squirrels.

SPEAKER_05 35:43

Yeah, these are from squirrels, which is what Scientology calls people who alter Scientology technology and try to spread it without properly being in paid for and indoctrinated. Oreo, can you just jam pick him up and just bring him over here? She's gonna go get this cat. He's very, very clingy today. He's like, come on.

SPEAKER_03 36:06

There we go.

Secrecy, Lawsuits, And Leaks

SPEAKER_05 36:08

You want to? I was gonna say just put him on the table and then he'll just he'll be fine.

SPEAKER_03 36:11

Oh, I think you want to.

SPEAKER_05 36:12

Or let him out. He's like, I've seen it, I've seen, I've come, I've done, I'm out. Okay, sorry about that, guys. We've got it's it's like a proper zoo up in this joint. We got three cats, two dogs, three boys.

SPEAKER_00 36:26

It's like a he wanted to make a guest appearance on the channel, evidently. He did that and he's like, I'm out. You're in your talk of Xenu is boring.

SPEAKER_05 36:36

Okay, so Scientology sued these folks, got in a big battle, and then everybody was like, So, why would you sue somebody who released something that has nothing to do with your religion?

SPEAKER_01 36:49

Right.

SPEAKER_05 36:50

And they basically they doubled down, and then everybody knew, well, this is really these. There was a many years where people like, do they really believe in this? And it was like, they would be like, No, those are just weird things, people are spreading.

SPEAKER_00 37:04

And even even Scientologists, like the majority of Scientologists, I think it's fair to say, probably 90% of Scientologists at any given time, they hadn't done the upper levels.

SPEAKER_05 37:14

Oh, it's more like 95%. Right. There's not a lot of Scientologists.

SPEAKER_00 37:18

Like, what do you think? One in 10 Scientologists actually know what the upper levels contain.

SPEAKER_05 37:24

Yeah, well, this is a good way to tell you how many they have because in the 1980s they were gonna release OT level eight. Okay. And when they weren't to go release OT level eight, they had to have 10,000 Scientologists that were on OT level seven in order to release OT level eight.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 37:50

That was basically it's like we're not gonna release this because there's no OT seven, there's not a lot of OT sevens out there that are even ready to do OT eight.

SPEAKER_00 37:57

Right. And even that number, if you think about it, like the Freewin ship holds a total of 300 people.

SPEAKER_05 38:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:04

Including crew.

SPEAKER_00 38:05

That's what I'm saying. So, like, why did they need 10,000 people on OT7? Because it's a hard ship that could only hold 150 people to do OT eight.

SPEAKER_05 38:16

Well, how what why only sell 300 OT8 levels when you can sell 10,000 OTA levels?

SPEAKER_00 38:22

Which is where we get back to what what's your favorite saying about Scientology is a business.

SPEAKER_05 38:30

It's a business masquerading as a cult operating as a company.

SPEAKER_00 38:33

There you go.

SPEAKER_05 38:34

No, it's a operating as a cult. It's a religion masquerading as a company, as a cult that's operating as a business.

SPEAKER_03 38:40

There you go.

SPEAKER_05 38:41

Anyway, relo regardless of all that, they said we're not gonna release OT eight until we have 10,000 OT sevens. That was in the 1980s, after Scientology had been around for 30 years. They only had 10,000 people who had uh who had ascended to OT level seven.

SPEAKER_03 39:05

Right.

SPEAKER_05 39:06

And to this, as far as I know, there's not even 10,000 OT eights as of today that have done it. So those 10,000 OT sevens, they didn't just all do it.

SPEAKER_00 39:19

No, definitely not.

SPEAKER_05 39:20

Yeah, maybe just open the door so he can come and go. This is just getting ridiculous with this cat. He or just bring him upstairs and lock the door. I'll keep yapping. Okay, so Scientology tries to keep this a secret. They end up suing, there's some lawsuits, there's some they're raiding people. This a lot of stuff happened in the 80s, which really locked in um that Xenu is 100% part of Scientology's teachings and is the operating all of the operating thetan levels, and we've done a video about this. I'll I'll put a link in the description, but all of the operating thetan levels deal with how how these uh aliens came about, the the Z New story, and then how to get rid of all the different types of aliens and how they're affecting you. And so that's what all the O OT levels are. So you have um all the way from OT1 to OT eight, which have been released as of now.

SPEAKER_01 40:29

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 40:30

And now they've only and they and they and I think they said they're not going to release. There's been many different they've changed uh David Miscavige changes the goalpost all the time on what it will take to release OT9 and 10. Originally, it was all Scientology organizations need to reach the size of an organization in England, St. Hill in East Gridstead, Sussex. Um they had to achieve the size of that organization when L. Ron Hubbard was running it. They all had to be that big for OT9 and 10 to come out. And then David Miscavige actually scratched that and he said, no, all Scientology organizations need to be an ideal organization. So it just wasn't a matter of how many people you were you were getting pushing through your Scientology organization. Yeah. But it also had to be like one of these premier, you know, 40,000 square foot, you know, historic buildings that's got gazillion square feet and yeah, all that nonsense. And it has the right amount of film rooms and the right amount of auditing rooms and the right amount of course rooms, and it has to have all these different things. So he's changed that a few times over the years on what exactly they have to do. And he could very possibly change it again. Yeah, the problem is that there is no OT levels nine and 10. So this is going to be it's he's always gonna be changing the goalposts because he's got nothing to release. Okay. Now, Scientology has been keeping this whole thing very secret, and now this is where it gets kind of crazy because South Park and other people, they've done episodes where they tell the pretty much the entire story that we just told on their show or parts of it. South Park did the pretty much the whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 42:22

Yeah.

Pop Culture Exposures Of Xenu

SPEAKER_05 42:23

And they kind of took liberties with the the little kid coming back and being L. Ron Hubbard reincarnated. All that is just the South Park part of it, not the action.

SPEAKER_00 42:34

You want me to read this?

SPEAKER_05 42:35

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 42:36

Trapped in the closet, season nine, episode 12, November 16th, 2005. Several religious leaders recognize Stan as the second coming of L. Ron Hubbard, and a whole soap opera unfolds with the help from a famous RB sensation. Are you happy? Free personality test. And there's a picture of Zenu from as depicted in the South Park episode.

SPEAKER_05 42:58

Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_00 42:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:00

Now, this was the very first time that I learned about Zenu.

SPEAKER_00 43:04

Yes, we were in Lee Summit, Missouri, um at at in our apartment, and you were like, I'm gonna go watch this.

SPEAKER_05 43:11

And I was like, ooh, I which by the way, that can't be the right date then when it came out.

SPEAKER_00 43:16

Uh yeah, maybe.

SPEAKER_05 43:17

Because we we did watch it in Lee Summit. True. True.

SPEAKER_00 43:20

I thought it was earlier, it was definitely in 2005.

SPEAKER_05 43:23

Yeah, it was 2005, but I don't think it was November. But regardless, that was the first time I had heard about it. And then after that, I thought I, oh, there's another part of this. If Hell Hubbard said if you learn about um Xenu and this whole story before you're ready, that you'll get pneumonia and die.

SPEAKER_03 43:42

Correct.

SPEAKER_05 43:43

Okay. So you in Scientology, you know that if you read about what's on OT3, you'll get pneumonia and die, but you don't know what's on it.

SPEAKER_00 43:52

Yeah. And by the way, the premise for him saying that is because while he was uncovering well, he was researching. Researching this story, which he'd already written earlier, but that's beside the point. He got pneumonia and almost died.

SPEAKER_04 44:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 44:09

And then and then also later during that time, he had a massive motorcycle accident and almost died.

SPEAKER_05 44:14

Yeah. Which also just could have just been he was just an old fuddy duddy that was up to doing dumb stuff. That's what I am bad shit at all. Uh he wasn't the most hygienic person in the world.

SPEAKER_00 44:26

For sure.

SPEAKER_05 44:27

Anyway, he also had atrocious teeth. And if you have atrocious teeth, that usually means that you're doing something wrong, and your body's trying to tell you, hey, you got to do something with these choppers you get.

SPEAKER_00 44:41

Yeah, so much for the way to happiness. Take care of yourself. Precept number one, huh?

SPEAKER_05 44:45

Brush brush your teeth.

SPEAKER_00 44:46

He says, Do as I say, not as I do.

SPEAKER_05 44:48

Anyway, so South Park pretty much covered the entire Zenus story in 2005. Okay. Even and also it had been on the internet a lot before that as well. Oh, Claire always you gotta tell her to stop linking to videos. We can't, once I put it into this, it won't link to anything because it's now that's in this thing. Oh, good. Um, Boston Legal, whose God is it anyway? Season three, episode, does it say not?

SPEAKER_00 45:14

Episode five, October 17th, 2006. Jeffrey, Claire, and Denise's judge murder trial gets underway, and Alan defends Jerry Espenson after firing a lawyer in the new firm because he's a Scientologist.

SPEAKER_05 45:27

Yeah. So they talk about the James Spader is the attorney, or he's the lawyer in one of these scenes. And he is basically 75 million. He's talking about the Zenus story in the courtroom of this show, which it was a very popular show at the time. Um, so South Park's 2005, Boston Legals 2006. This is a show called the Kaminsky Method.

SPEAKER_00 45:54

Yep. Chapter 16, a Thetan Arrive, season two, episode eight, October 25th, 2019. As Norman contemplates retiring, an unexpected visitor has him considering his spiritual life. Sandy dislikes changes Mindy is making at the studio.

SPEAKER_05 46:12

Anyway, in this episode, I think um the kid in um what's that Bruce Wills movie? The Sixth Sense. I see dead people.

SPEAKER_01 46:21

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 46:22

The kid, Joe, I don't remember what the actor's name is, but he's the actor in this. And he is the one who is a Scientologist, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. And that he's he talks about it in the show. Anyway, and what else do we got? The Tomcat Project.

SPEAKER_00 46:39

Okay, by Brandon Ogborn, originally published November 18th, 2015. A satire that aims to discover the truth behind the marriage of Tom Cruise, Katie Holmes, and the Church of Scientology based on actual interviews and imagined scenes.

SPEAKER_05 46:55

Now, this is really funny because these people contacted me.

SPEAKER_00 46:58

I remember. And I sent them a you have a signed copy of this uh poster.

SPEAKER_05 47:03

That poster, it says the Tomcat project. I have one that's signed by everybody in the play and Brandon and all these different people. Um, I should put that up in the studio or something. Or we should put it up in here.

SPEAKER_01 47:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 47:15

Anyway, we gotta find that.

SPEAKER_01 47:16

It's I think I know where it is. Yeah, I know where it is.

SPEAKER_05 47:19

We've got to frame that. We'll put it up. It's fun. Anyway, um, I sent them a box of books, I think, at the time. Then I signed them all for everybody who participated. Yep. Anyway, um, just things are coming out, just more and more. Let's see, is there anything else in here?

SPEAKER_00 47:37

Oh, then there's Revolt in the Stars, never adapted into film, screenplay by LRH, written in 1977, tells the space opera story of how Zenu kills billions of his subjects with bombs. LRH presented this as a true story in Operating Thetan Level 3, OT3. It was promoted in Hollywood in 1979, but a film was never made. Revolt in the Stars. And by the way, look at that image. That is the C organization logo.

SPEAKER_05 48:07

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that and that's another thing that we didn't talk about. The C org are um a group of people that are descendants from the loyal officers. So the Sea Org, the loyal Which is why the motto is we come back.

SPEAKER_00 48:27

That's right.

SPEAKER_05 48:27

The motto is we come back because 75 million years ago they got they captured Xenu, and all of the Sea Org members now are either they were loyal officers 75 million years ago in a past life. And so the Galactic the Sea Org has Galactic Confederacy imagery in it as part of it, and the way it's organized and all that is patterned off of the Galactic Confederacy, loyal officers.

Sea Org, Loyal Officers, And OT Levels

SPEAKER_01 48:59

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 49:00

Now, this is another crazy story. When L. Ron Hubbard was right before he died, he had two people that were taking care of him, Pat and Annie Broker. And when he and and the story goes that Pat Broker is the one that was working with L. Ron Hubbard on developing all the OT levels. Right. He was the one actually auditing Hubbard, and he was working with Hubbard to help him with his research to come out and release these operating Thetan levels. And when he died, an issue came out from L. Ron Hubbard that he had written before he passed away that assigned Pat and Annie Broker as loyal officers.

SPEAKER_01 49:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 49:50

They were literally designated loyal officers. And that's where Pat became the successor to L. Ron Hubbard, which lasted about a day or two before David Miscavige canceled everything and said it was a forgery and Pat is an SP and he did this and he did that and all this other stuff. And then he left, Pat Broker left Scientology and they kept Annie there.

SPEAKER_01 50:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 50:16

Okay. So this OT3 stuff, it ties everything in Scientology together.

SPEAKER_00 50:23

It all along and also one of the purposes, not the primary purpose, but one of the purposes of the C organization is to protect the upper levels of Scientology.

SPEAKER_05 50:34

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 50:36

Which is why the upper levels of Scientology are only delivered at organizations that are C org staffed by members of the C organization. That's right. So in a in a like in the ideal orgs, those are called class five organizations, and they do not deliver the upper levels.

SPEAKER_05 50:58

That's right. You can only get the operating Thetan levels at a C org installation.

SPEAKER_00 51:04

Which is referred to as an advanced organization.

SPEAKER_05 51:07

Yes, or in Flag, which is their Clearwater facility at the um in uh in Clearwater, Florida.

SPEAKER_01 51:13

Right.

SPEAKER_05 51:14

Okay. So this is the other thing. Hubbard wrote a screenplay of one of his science fiction stories. And then later on, that just was what was Scientology was. It's that's kind of like it didn't subtle much. He couldn't get a movie made out of it. So he just incorporated it into Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 51:37

It's like it's like our kids used to say, I know an idea. They wouldn't make a movie out of it, but hey, I know a way to make money off of this page.

SPEAKER_05 51:45

Yeah, he's made more, way more money on having it in Scientology than if it was a movie. Because also, let's just be fair. If he made a movie of this in the late 1970s, it would have sucked all kinds of eggs. It would have just been bad. Holy moly, it would have been horrible.

SPEAKER_00 52:05

Oh dear.

SPEAKER_05 52:06

Okay, and then there's just other stuff. Um, The Simpsons uh did an episode.

SPEAKER_00 52:12

The joy of yeah, The Simpsons, the Joy of Sect, confirmed to be heavily influenced by Scientology, Trillion Year Contract, the leader based on LRH. Futurama's The Church of Robotology, confirmed to be a parody of Scientology, Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt's Church of Cosmetology, not confirmed, but heavily suspected. Uh Titus performs stunts for Tom Cruise, head of cosmetology, married to Shelly, who they insist is, quote, definitely alive, unquote.

SPEAKER_05 52:45

Yeah, and then also didn't um um Saturday Night Live did us get a We Stand Tall video. Yes, it wasn't really Zenu.

SPEAKER_00 52:55

No, but SML has done uh I think a couple that are just hilarious. But yes, the We Stand Tall one was absolutely hilarious.

SPEAKER_05 53:04

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 53:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 53:06

So the the whole thing that that now Scientology has been trying to keep this thing secret, and they still to this day, what are you doing? You removed me. No, we're in a double thing.

SPEAKER_00 53:18

Oh, sorry, get out of there. I got a note notification that says you have been removed from the street. I was like, wait, what? You're such a spaz.

unknown 53:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 53:28

Neurotology, Harvey Denton Toby. Yes, neurotology.

SPEAKER_05 53:31

Yes, that was awesome.

SPEAKER_00 53:32

Yeah, anything that ends in ology is most probably well, a lot of things on TV. Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 53:40

That's that's made up, which ology means the study of, by the way, according to uh I don't remember what it was, but somebody sent me this thing basically saying that um the Greek symbol that Scientology uses for Thetan, Hubbard says that means spirit or nirvana or you mean the the infinity symbol? No, the OT, the sim the T with the zero around it.

SPEAKER_00 54:06

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 54:07

That's borrowed from the the Greek this or that. He says it means life. In Greek, it actually means death.

SPEAKER_00 54:15

Oh, I remember, I remember when someone told you that. And you're like, well, yeah, of course. Everything it's like in opposites. Yeah. Reasonable is a bad thing in Scientology, it's a good thing in the real world. Critical is a bad thing in Scientology, it's a good thing in the real world.

SPEAKER_05 54:29

Anyway, Scientology is trying to keep this thing secret, and everybody's letting the secret out.

SPEAKER_01 54:35

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 54:35

So it's at the point now where everybody, if you look up Scientology, you can find the Xenus story in about two minutes.

SPEAKER_03 54:44

Of course.

SPEAKER_05 54:44

Okay, if you want to.

SPEAKER_03 54:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 54:46

And Scientologists, and the thing that's happening with Scientologists is they're basically finding out about the Xenus story, but then they have to keep it a secret or not tell anybody that they found out about the Xenus story. Because otherwise, if you find about if you learn about Xinu before you pay them all the money to learn about Xinu, then you got to pay a whole bunch of money to make sure that you're not messed up and you don't die of pneumonia now that you heard about the Xinu story.

Moving Goalposts For OT 9 And 10

SPEAKER_00 55:12

Right. And if you come out from reading the OT3 materials about Xenu and everything else, and you say, wait a minute, I don't buy this, then that instantly means you are what Hubbard refers to as a bypassed case, which means now you're gonna pay for everything all over again, or you're gonna get interrogated for what your crimes are and blah, blah, blah. It just you're you're in a rat race by that point.

SPEAKER_05 55:38

Yeah. If you find out about Xenu before you pay to find out about Xenu, then they're gonna figure out a way to make you pay because now you basically you you got into the chicken coop and you done stole some eggs that you didn't you didn't pay for.

SPEAKER_03 55:52

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 55:53

Even though you could just get the entirety of Scientology's OT levels can be downloaded on the internet. Okay. So Scientology has a really, really big problem with this. This is like ruining them for doing Scientology counseling and Scientology auditing and trying to sell people these operating theta levels because you can just get it for free now. And so it's one of the reasons I think they've switched over to this donation heavy model where they just take in money. They're just it's Scientology is just like a wallet vacuum. They just want to suck as much money out of their the people that are in Scientology's wallets. And that's how that's their new strategy.

SPEAKER_00 56:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 56:32

Without having to do anything.

SPEAKER_00 56:34

Harvey Denton's Toads made a good comment, which was uh hold on, let me pull. I'm quite certain that more non-scientologists know about Xenu than actual Scientologists by some huge magnitude. Yes, completely completely.

SPEAKER_05 56:49

Yeah, that's a good point.

SPEAKER_00 56:50

It is.

SPEAKER_05 56:51

Scientologists are like, I'm gonna find out about what's on OT level three, and everybody's like, it's Xenu. You didn't know that? Body things. You got millions of them in you. There you go.

SPEAKER_00 57:01

And what do you think? Do you think people getting into Scientology these days aren't Googling what's on the upper levels? I mean, come on now.

SPEAKER_05 57:08

Yeah, it's ridiculous. Okay, are we ready to do a giveaway?

SPEAKER_00 57:12

Yes, we are.

SPEAKER_05 57:13

Here we go. Double clear. Okay. So, like we said earlier, if you've commented, you're automatically entered in to win a prize at the end, which is a Davy doll. All the giveaways we do now are Davy dolls, except for if you're a winner of the fake Navy Davy photo contest, then you can win a mic or Leah Bobblehead.

SPEAKER_01 57:35

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 57:36

Okay, let's do this, folks. We've got 98 people. Oh, a hundred people that have commented.

SPEAKER_00 57:42

Nice, and thank you to everyone who joined us for this fun talk about Zenu today.

SPEAKER_05 57:47

Yes, here we go. And draw. Here we go. Everybody, it's going through everybody. Hopefully, I don't win.

SPEAKER_00 57:57

Hopefully I don't win.

SPEAKER_05 57:58

I commented. Clara, Clara. Clara. A mod. We got a mod. Like we said, guys, we don't pick the winners. Stream yard, it's it's just uh, it's that's how it does. It's it does what it does.

SPEAKER_00 58:13

You've won, I've won, Catherine's won, Clara's won. You know, it's just uh it's odds at this point. Yeah, it's just odds.

SPEAKER_05 58:20

Okay, we should do another one.

SPEAKER_00 58:22

Okay, we'll do another one. Clara can have whatever she wants, she'll email em email me, but yes, okay, here we go. Just for sake of audience engagement here.

SPEAKER_05 58:31

It's like when the when the when the mods win. Oh, I almost won on that one.

SPEAKER_00 58:35

Oh, here we go. Scientology. There we go. Congratulations.

SPEAKER_05 58:41

Good job. All right, okay, good. So email Claire, Claire at Blumforgood.com.

SPEAKER_03 58:47

Yes, with your address.

SPEAKER_05 58:48

With your address, and she'll just send you a David doll.

SPEAKER_03 58:51

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 58:52

Okay, okay, okay. We did it, guys.

SPEAKER_00 58:55

We did it.

SPEAKER_05 58:56

Um, do we want to do any comments here for a few weeks?

SPEAKER_00 58:58

We can do a couple, yeah. And then the ones we don't get to, we will do next week on our QA. And just while I think of it, um, we have a new episode with Phil Jones and I over at the Michael J. Render Aftermath Foundation YouTube channel premiering in what like it'll it'll feed right in when we're done.

SPEAKER_05 59:16

Yeah, you just go on, you just stay on this channel and you'll get to that video. Yeah. Or you can just go over there and watch it.

SPEAKER_00 59:22

Phil and I had a really good conversation discussing the education grant program at the Michael J. Render Aftermath Foundation and uh some of the successes. And anyway, so there you go. You can learn more there.

SPEAKER_04 59:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:36

All right, FYT. Where did they get all that glycol? So many questions.

SPEAKER_05 59:42

Yeah. Zenu had a whole bunch of ditty aliens on that ship, and they were like collecting glycols.

SPEAKER_00 59:50

Hubbard never discussed the um resources on these planets either, nor did he discuss the shape, size, or anything else. So, yeah, so many questions, like you said.

SPEAKER_05 59:59

Yeah, and also. So, yeah, why freeze and then defrost via volcanoes right away? Why freeze and then defrost? Yeah, that's what I thought. Because if you're gonna freeze them.

Why The Secret Hurts Recruitment

SPEAKER_00 1:00:09

Well, I thought, oh, and and again, it's been a a long time since I read it, but I thought they were frozen for transportation purposes, then dropped into the volcanoes and implanted.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:19

I know, but why do you need to freeze them on the way? Just keep it.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:22

Well, how else are you gonna trap them?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:24

They're on a ship, a DC eight in the middle of space.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:27

Well, they're not they're not in the physical universe. There's you have to have some high technology to trap spiritual beings.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:35

Yeah, I don't know. This is there's a lot of holes. Don't ask questions, people. We don't have the answers.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:42

Oh, we only have some of the answers. Ellie, they have TVs in the volcanoes. Yeah, kind of like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:48

Like no, they're outside, just a giant floating video.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:52

That plays that plays implant imagery, like pictures and so forth. That's um, yeah, again, not you can't ask too many questions.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:02

Yeah, it's it's it's all not science fiction.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:05

It's science fiction. What are we what are we getting into? That time that Morag Belmane and Ron Lawley dressed as Sea Org members, C organization members on mission, and demanded the upper level materials at Copenhagen org and stole the upper level materials and left Denmark. I know I marked this because I was a kid at St. Hill in the Cadet Organization. When this happened, I was good friends with Susie Belmane, which was Morag's daughter, and the the Lawly kids were also in the cadet organization, and they would their parents. They stole these materials.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:45

And then they were declared suppressive people.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:47

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:48

Here, let me adjust your camera real quick.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:50

All right.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:51

Sorry, guys. I just we keep Claire's camera.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:55

It's okay. It's it's uh troublesome, but I'm trying to get back to um uh you have to do the comments because I don't know where you're at. Sorry. The Lux Lady finally caught alive. I signed up to be a volunteer to help people that want to escape. How is it being black in Scientology? Thank you for signing up to volunteer. Uh yeah, not not a whole lot of um very racial diversity, shall we say, in Scientology?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:22

Yeah, it's at the international headquarters, there was almost 800 people there, and there was like four black people that worked at that property.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:30

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:31

Um, so yeah, it's not a lot.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:33

Nope. All right. Um, how he could how he could say that when he knew that it utterly dead data, he just that had a bad luck. Okay. Bad luck.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:52

There you go. No comment. Love Foo Kitchen. I'm in the Pyrenees at the moment, sometimes said to be where Zenu's mountain prison is. Yes. Should I go on a hunt for him? He is our homeboy after all. He's not in there. What about doing one of those geocache things? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:07

He's not in there. He's not in there.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:09

He's fine.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:10

It's all good. Olga, question. Why didn't they just unalive them on their planet? Would their BTs go into the next that's what I'm saying? Yeah, I know. Again, a great question, but there had to be an origin story of some kind or another.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:24

I know, it's just there's a lot of holes. We know this, folks. We know this.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:29

Aren't there always? Sloanamite. What were LRH's views on Star Trek and Star Wars?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:36

Yeah, you know, um, we talked Mitch talked about this a little bit. That he Hubbard, I I don't exactly remember what Mitch was saying, but he was saying he was not a fan of Star Wars.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:49

But he didn't, he did well, he did he liked it, but he didn't use it as um any references that we should study when we were making movies for Scientology.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:59

Right.

Giveaway And Community Q&A

SPEAKER_05 1:03:59

There was a whole bunch of other um films on there, but Star Wars and Star Trek weren't on there. So I don't know. We'd have to talk to that's a that's a you know, that's a question that needed to be answered by somebody from the 80s or the 70s.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:13

Yeah, there you go. Love and life. Do a lot of people leave after doing OT3 or would more leave after OTA? Definitely after OT3 was a huge drop-off.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:22

Um, and then after OT8, even more. I think the percentage of people that made it to OTA and then left was probably greater than the percentage of people that made it to OT3 and then left, but both were high.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:35

That's right. Yeah. There's a very big drop off. Once you get into the operating thetain levels, yeah, there's a lot of people that never return to Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:45

Right. Because the OT3 was like that was after they were already disillusioned after reaching the state of clear, they're like, I'll give it one more chance.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:55

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:56

And because maybe this is the answer and it will fix everything. And then when it didn't, they're like, I'm out.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:01

Yeah, I think the main drop-offs are clear, OT3, and OT8.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:07

And OT7.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:08

And then separate to that, spending any amount of time in the C organization.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:12

Well, yeah, that's a surefire way to get GTFO.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:16

Yeah. Harvey Denton's Toads question. Do you think there would be more or fewer Scientologists if they were upfront about Xenu? Way fewer.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:25

Way fewer.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:26

Yeah, because if you know what it is, why would you then spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to find out what it is? Find out what it is. There's no cheese in the trap, as Jason Bigay said in the in his video on YouTube.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:39

Yeah. Okay. I don't know. This is somebody saying David Mitchell, he has something to do with Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:46

Oh, it's something from chat we missed, I guess. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:48

Never heard of him.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:49

Never heard of him.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:50

Um, doesn't mean he's not.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:52

Does LRH have an origin for this information? Is it just stuff he remembered in a previous life? That's what he alleges. He does not have an origin. He never gave any sources of origin from his.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:04

He said he's been all over the universe in his lectures and writings, and he's lived millions and millions of lives on all different planets. And he would remembered this from the whole track.

unknown 1:06:17

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:18

He recalled all of this.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:20

Cool story, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:20

Or not.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:24

All right. Sunrise, joy, learn. Daily, can you track us your reaction, Claire? Tell us your reaction to the Xenu story. Oh, yeah. Uh yeah, come on. Yeah, no, I mean, like anybody. Well, so first of all, I was demanded to do the upper levels by Shelly Miscavige. I was gonna get kicked out of my position if I didn't get to uh through OT3 by a certain date. And so like succeeding was not an option. In other words, I had I had to get her a compliance report. Anyhow, setting that aside, by that point I was so run down. I was just like, whatever. I'm just gonna do what they tell me to do. And uh, but yeah, no, not for one moment did I seriously consider what the materials had any impact on my life. I was like, okay, whatever.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:23

I like this one from Catherine.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:25

That's how we knew Hubbard didn't know what he was talking about. If he put a man in charge of an advanced civilization, battle of the sexes on BFG today.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:36

Oh, golly. Uh okay. Any last questions?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:40

Do we have uh oh we've we've always we we've made it to an hour and seven. So I say let's wrap it up and any questions we miss we can pick up next.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:48

I know I was trying to milk it a little bit because the other thing's gonna start at 2 15.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:53

Oh, sure. Okay, why not?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:54

And we're and it's not gonna be the end of the world if we do a few more questions.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:57

Yep, Brian, question how do Scientologists view Hubbard's sci-fi works? To me, his sci-fi writings and Scientology both seem like they are part of the same body of fiction fantasy rather than separate.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:10

Yeah, that's a good point. It is a good point. That's what I'm saying. Like a lot of people, the criticism criticism of Scientology is like, um, so hold on a second. A dude named Ron, actually, a dude named Lafayette was a science fiction writer for decades, yeah, started a religion.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:33

Yeah, I can see why he didn't go by the name Lafayette, by the way.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:37

And you're in that religion, that's what you actually believe. A dude named Ron made up a religion.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:44

And if you would ask a Scientologist that, I think in all serious seriousness, most of them would say, Oh, well, he just did that in the early days to make money to fund his research.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:55

Yeah, that's exactly how they spin it. That's how we funded his research.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:58

Yeah, that was critical. It had nothing to do with the price of rice in China. Barbara, oh, I didn't realize Xenu was a bad guy to them. Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:07

See, this is one of the reasons why we wanted to do this video. Right. It's because we get a lot of comments on videos, and if we mention Zenu, then someone says, Oh, hail Lord Zenu, and this. And well, in Scientology, he's a bad guy, but in the real world, the verdict is the jury's still out.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:24

As you said, according to them, we're the bad guys too. So, you know, hey, you say potato, I say patata. Like, we're not signing up to uh subscribe to their labels. He killed the dinosaurs.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:38

We don't know. We don't, we're not putting, don't we're not making any accusations against Zenu, my homeboy.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:45

Lafayette Ronald Hubbard did not do a lot of tying in this story to you know uh known earth events. Yeah, Trevanon. This guy, Zenu, this Xenu guy needs Scientology to deal with the stress governing 76 planets. Yeah, he needs some self-analysis auditing. Recall a time when you were happy.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:08

Okay, let's do this one.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:11

Olga, question Did I miss what happens on Zenu's planet when they die? Where did their body thetans go?

SPEAKER_05 1:10:17

Well, no, the the zen the the body thetans died on Earth, uh-huh, and then they went in to people.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:25

Yeah, well, the aliens did.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:28

Not the body thetans didn't die, the their bodies died, and then they became body thetans. See, we don't know. Yeah, you don't have to speculate, but they're here on Earth.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:39

Yeah, but they didn't have a like a mass burial when they got to TGM, aka planet Earth. That's right. They just that's not part of the story.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:46

They just went out into the ether and then they joined they jammed into bodies when they found them.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:51

But they also didn't see they didn't have space for their bodies on the DC seven.

Audience Questions On Plot Holes

SPEAKER_05 1:10:55

Yeah, but also that we don't ever find out what happened on these 76 planets. No, we don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:02

We don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:02

There's no that's not part of the story.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:04

No, so we don't know why they had overpopulation problems.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:09

We don't know if that continued. Yeah, we don't know if they went, they maybe the Confederation was.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:14

Maybe after Hubbard died, they did a second installment and brought new DC sevens with more body things.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:19

DC eights, babe. DC eight. Okay, come on, let's keep it together here. Let's not lose track of what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:24

Come on, it's Sunday.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:26

Um okay. Yeah, this is C, this is a great this okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:30

FYT 54321. What is the purpose of wings in space? Inquiring aerospace engineers want to want to know. Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:39

Yeah, see, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:41

How maybe they don't have gravity on these 76 planets?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:45

The gravity has nothing to do with why you wouldn't or would need wings in space.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:50

Yeah, I see what you're saying.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:51

There's no air in space.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:54

So there's no up, there's no I love the creativity of our audience asking such informed questions that just destroy and and create massive gargantuan holes in the the storyline here. Uh RLC737, Zimu, as I learned from Mark, was a comic book character from the early 60s, Lord of the Fifth Dimension, yet more plagiarism.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:18

Yes, this is a great point. We didn't even talk about this. Marvel came out with a comic book, and in the comic book, he's called Zimu. And Hubbard says in the writing, it could be Zimu or Zenu, which is a weird thing to say about somebody's name. It could be Mark or it could be Smark. Or it's like, why would your name be two different names spelled differently? Yeah, isn't it just one way that you spell it?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:48

Of course.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:49

But there was a Marvel comic book, and that being, he was an intergalactic overlord and he had psychic powers.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:58

Yeah, maybe Zenu or Zemo is like Mark with a C versus Mark with a K.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:03

Okay. But I spell it with a C. I know. So it's a with a C.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:08

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:08

It's not with a K or with a C.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:10

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:10

That's how Hubbard explained it.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:12

Yep, yep, yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:13

He's just a funny duddy who doesn't know what he's talking about. Yeah. But yes. Um, Hubbard basically plagiarized the entire body of works that he wrote on Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:24

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:25

What are you laughing about? You gotta pull it up if you get excited about the project.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:29

Oh, I was just laughing at here, I'll pull it up here. Linda, smart from now on.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:38

Mark or Mark. Yeah, somebody else did say that, marker mark.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:41

Okay, guys. I hope you had fun here learning about Xenu today and Scientology's nonsense.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:47

Yeah, thanks for hanging out with us and learning more about this origin story. Science fiction.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:53

Yeah. Uh yeah. We gave away David dolls. We're gonna lead to the foundation feed.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:59

We had it, we learned about Xinu. We learned about Scientology. We learned about Hubbard stealing dumb science fiction ideas from Marvel.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:06

Yep. There you go.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:07

Wouldn't that be amazing if Marvel, if Zimu came back and he was like in one of the the, what do you they call that? The this the what do they call it? The Marvel cinema universe or whatever they call it.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:20

Oh, I don't remember.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:21

It's a thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:22

I know it is. I know what you're talking about, but uh yeah, it's skipping my mind right at the moment. But uh Trevanon says, please don't insult science fiction. Fair enough. There is some very good science fiction out there. I agree with you. Hubbard's is not in that category.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:38

We'll see you next time, guys.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:40

Bye.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:40

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