Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

We Honor Friends, Challenge Scientology’s Myths, And Launch A Comedy Fundraiser To Help Survivors

• Marc Headley & Claire Headley

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Grief and grit can share the same room. We open with a tough roll call—Mike Rinder, Jeff Hawkins, and Heber—names that shaped how the world understands Scientology from the inside. Their stories invite a wider look at power, control, and the tactics used to keep people quiet, from humiliation and bullying to PR games that promise access and deliver nothing.

We revisit the surreal “inch wives” spectacle and pull out the pattern: deny, distract, and dehumanize. It didn’t hold because people like Jeff turned the lights on—documenting contradictions, sharing receipts, and writing books that translated insider systems into plain language. That legacy matters. It gives new listeners a map and reminds seasoned skeptics why persistence wins. Along the way, we also puncture a familiar myth: getting sick isn’t “PTS.” It’s not proof of hidden enemies. It’s life. When doctrine demands magical thinking, reality eventually walks in.

From loss we pivot to building: Comedy Works Denver is hosting a benefit for the Michael J. Rinder Aftermath Foundation. Tickets directly support people leaving high-control groups with housing, transport, guidance, and a community that answers the phone. It’s fitting—and a little subversive—that a comedy club anchors this effort. Scientology brands humor as “joking and degrading.” We call it oxygen. Laughter helps us carry heavy truths without breaking, and it invites more people to care. Expect stories, support, and a few surprises as we rally a room to turn empathy into action.

If you can’t make it to Denver, consider donating, sharing the event, or sending an item for the silent auction. Your help builds the safety net that makes leaving possible and recovery sustainable. Subscribe, rate, and leave a review to push these stories further—and tell us: what question do you want answered next?

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SPEAKER_05:

Hey guys, welcome back to the channel. Welcome to another episode of Blown for Good, Scientology Exposed. Um I have had uh a week. And um I I had a uh I had a really bad cough for about I'm gonna say four days.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep, I think we would call it the flu, honey.

SPEAKER_05:

The flu. Anyway, I'm joined here today by my lovely wife, Claire.

SPEAKER_00:

Yay. Thanks for being here, everybody. Happy New Year. It's been we haven't seen everyone since last year.

SPEAKER_05:

That's right. It's been a year. It's been a year. Um yeah, we wanted to do a live. I've got to take off for for another uh work project. So we wanted to do a live, and this was the one time we could do it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

I'm at the tail end of this. So I So bear with us. Forgive me in advance if I have any coughing fits. I must say this up top.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, you must. Um He's doing his best. We have all the all the stuff, all the cough drops.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, and excuse me if you if you hear me uh on this cough cough drop I've got in my mouth here. But uh it's the only way I can pretty much not cough is to have it there.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep. Um And you're like deeper than normal, but that's okay. You're doing good. Deeper.

SPEAKER_05:

Deeper. You know, I used to be able to imitate Jason McGay's voice really after he had his surgery, and that his voice got really gravelly.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, now you don't have to imitate it just as now I don't have to to do that much at all to imitate him. I'm pretty close, just right off the bat.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep, there you go.

SPEAKER_05:

Um yeah, it's also been a week, too, guys. It's been a week.

SPEAKER_01:

It has.

SPEAKER_05:

We were um we were just uh remembering it was it was a year since Mike Rinder passed.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep, January 5th.

SPEAKER_05:

And then the same day that we were remembering that, Jeff Hawkins passed.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

And then like a couple days later, we found out that Heber Gents passed. And um, and Tony Ortega reported um about the Heber Gents thing that he was in this house.

SPEAKER_00:

An assisted living facility.

SPEAKER_05:

An assisted living facility in California. And oddly enough, we had known this for for some time.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Authorities knew about it as well. Excuse me. But um But we had actually had some people send us like investigator, you know, internet sleuths had found this Scientology property and and a few different people had sent us things saying, hey, I found these records, da-da-da-da-da, about this place. And we were sort of like, yeah, we kind of know about that place, but yeah, we're not supposed to make a big we the when we speak spoke to authorities about this facility, it was basically like, okay, we know about it. Let's not do anything more than that. So sometimes we know about things, but we're not supposed to say anything. And they it could be because something could uh happen. There could be some kind of law enforcement activities that would take place, and telling everybody about the place would kind of mess up that that's the place.

SPEAKER_00:

So reminiscent of the 2010 FBI investigation.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

It was, you know, it was on a need-to-know basis.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah. Anyway, um, so that happened. Um, I knew Heber pretty well, actually, because we worked on he worked on events, uh, the Scientology events when I was on the events team.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

And so I would talk to him and see him all the time. And he was actually kind of pretty chill kind of guy. He he he didn't seem to I never really saw him get upset or most of the time he was, you know, being the butt of David Miscavige's jokes. And yeah. And Dave was sort of Dave was would sort of bully him, I guess you'd say. That's the That's an understatement. Well, but I'm saying, yeah, whatever you want to call it, adult harass, bully, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Be mean to him a lot. Very in a an excruciating high level.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. I mean, the I think, yeah. The physical abuse was one thing, and then the emotional and other abuse was another as well.

SPEAKER_03:

Psycho torture.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, exactly. Like the marionette dolls that Miss Gavage had made of Heber and Mike and the Hebrew was one of those guys who had one of those dolls. The craziest part that uh and Tony Ortega, like you said, talks about this on his blog, but Heber, I hadn't realized until we were we did the Mormon Stories podcast this year, uh, or this year, last year. Uh came from a polygamous family. So he has, I think. No, he said, uh I think Tony said, or Karen did it. Karen Delacerrier did a tribute on Tony's blog this morning that referenced that I think it was fifty-two brothers and sisters. No way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

That's why.

SPEAKER_00:

I think eight wives, I want to say.

SPEAKER_05:

Anyway, I may be misquoting it, but his m his father had eight wives.

SPEAKER_00:

Correct. Yeah. Wow. And he came from a very large polygamous city.

SPEAKER_05:

I remember that it was a lot. I didn't remember it was fifty-two. That's just that's a that's a lot. That's a lot.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

That's a lot.

SPEAKER_00:

52 brothers and sisters. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_05:

That's a lot of birthday parties. That's like a that's a that's a birthday party every week, baby.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I know, right?

SPEAKER_05:

Once a week, all year long.

SPEAKER_00:

I uh so I I worked with Heber on a few occasions, mainly when uh he was, you know, brought because he he was mainly stationed in Los Angeles.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Um at OSA. In OSA Int. External Public Relations Department.

SPEAKER_05:

So But he was at 6331 Hollywood Boulevard, the the Hollywood Guarantee Building. Yes, Inter Internet the sort of like the middle, middle management of Scientology.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. But he would come to the the uh Gilman Hot Springs property whenever it was time to write speeches and and all that. So I that's when I would primarily see him and interact with him was during those times. So he would be at meetings and um there were a few times in earlier years when during um so let's see, this was ninety-seven until 2000, I want to say, where I would even though I was in religious technology center, I would go to the shrine auditorium prior to the events and be there to kind of make sure the speakers were getting prepared and all that kind of stuff. I remember that. So he was one of those people.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah. Yeah, sad. Very sad. Um and then we, of course, we had Jeff. Do we want to bring up our little slide thing here?

SPEAKER_00:

Sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay, let me see if I got this right. Oh yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so um I appreciate Nancy, Nancy Hawkins or Nancy, I'm not sure what she goes by now, but she was Jeff's wife previously before she escaped from the property. Yeah. In the I think that was in the early to mid-90s. Anyhow, she's the one that reached out to me on Facebook and told me about this on Wednesday.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Um and shared the post that his Jeff's niece, Slade, had put up. Um, and of course, I was devastated. I mean, we we fortunately had the opportunity to see Jeff at Mike's service.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, last year.

SPEAKER_00:

Which was at the end of April. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

So at least I I'm glad we got to see him because I mean and at pretty much everybody got to see him because it was a lot of m you know, most of the people that we know from that universe were there at that thing. That was pretty much the who's who of ex-Scientology people. So um, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_05:

It was And we I remember we went to breakfast, we hung out, we had we did we we I mean we actually got to spend a bunch of time with a bunch of people um at the service itself and the reception and everything.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

And then I think we at least went to a breakfast and maybe another lunch or something with that with just a few people or whatever. But it was pretty much everybody was there at all the different things we went to.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it was amazing to have all those people together. Um and yes, it was, you know, we hadn't seen the last time I'd seen Jeff since before then was at the the filming of the aftermath finale.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay. Which I wasn't at that.

SPEAKER_00:

No, you weren't. It was, I think it was 2016 or 17 or maybe 18. I don't remember.

SPEAKER_05:

We did actually go to another thing for the show. And Jeff was there as part as part of that. When it was Amy Scobie and me and Matt.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep, I and I wasn't there for that. Jackson was there.

SPEAKER_05:

Jackson, that's right.

SPEAKER_00:

That's one you went to that I didn't go to. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05:

Um Jeff i if you guys didn't know it, Jeff wrote three books on Scientology. And um, we actually worked with Jeff. I mean, I was there from from 1990 to 2005, was when Jeff was at that property. He was there already when I got there.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

And he was there the entire time I was there, and then I want to say he ended up leaving like just a month or two after we did.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, a month or two before or after. I I don't remember.

SPEAKER_05:

Well, no, because he was on the decks with um another person that we know that got out around the same time.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

And that person um said that him and Jeff were there at the same time, getting out.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Um and then, of course, Jeff was on the show, uh, The Aftermath, uh, Scientology in the Aftermath Leo. Scientology in the aftermath. And he was also on the Anderson Cooper special, uh, Scientology History of Violence.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

And he was one of uh he was just one of these people that were speaking out about uh about against uh Scientology, as long as as well as Mike Rinder and Tom DeVocht and Marty Rathbutt at the time, and Jeff Hawkins were these four people that were participating in this program. And Scientology did one of the craziest things ever, and they brought on all four of these guys' wives as a separate panel. And um, and you could tell they were being spoon-fed what what to say because each one of them said that they knew every inch of their husband's body and that they knew David Miscavige had never been physical with them because every day they inspected every inch of them and then they never saw bruises. It was like it was like this wild concept.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Set aside that um, I switched everything to you. Yeah, okay. Set aside that there were many time periods when those wives never even saw their husbands.

SPEAKER_05:

I know, it's it's it's it's a it's a crazy concept in the real world.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

That somebody would be like, you know, you'd have like a like a a doctor's light and a magnifying glass going going through somebody's body every night.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay, honey, it's time for your checkup.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, it's time for your inspection there, sweetness. And um, but that but that that that that would happen in the real world is wild. But that that would ever happen in the Sea Org is the wildest concept to me. Like Completely. I could have a bruise on my back for two months, you would never know.

SPEAKER_00:

Exactly. In a million years, you would unless you told me, hey, can you come take a look at this bruise or whatever it is? I would never know.

SPEAKER_05:

Because, you know I don't I don't think anybody would ever know. This that that's the kind of the craziest thing about it.

SPEAKER_00:

Here let me pop up this c comment. I see, oh whoops, hold on.

SPEAKER_05:

Good job there, babe.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, thanks. Apostate Alex in the house. Hey, Alex, Mark, you're sick. You must be PTS. Feel better soon. I know. This is uh you potential trouble source you. But it reminded me of that age-old argument we've had. Or not argument is not really the right word.

SPEAKER_05:

It's just a conundrum.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, conundrum.

SPEAKER_05:

In Scientology. Thanks for that, Alex.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

Um I'm gonna put his back on the screen here.

SPEAKER_00:

So Okay.

SPEAKER_05:

In Scientology, if you get sick, it's because you're what's called a potential trouble source.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

And you have an SP or a suppressive person in your life.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And that is the only reason that anyone ever gets. Right.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay. But he also does say Sorry, excuse me. God, it's horrible.

SPEAKER_00:

I hope that's right.

SPEAKER_05:

This could be a listen to. Jesus, I really apologize, guys.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's all right.

SPEAKER_05:

Um But you cannot be PTS if you're a suppressive person. Yeah, it's just uh You're you're making the PTS people. You can't be one of them. So it's sort of like it's a conundrum. Either you're the SP and I'm PTS, but we were both sick. Right. So we're both SPs and we're both S.

SPEAKER_00:

And you got sick first. You got sick. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

SPEAKER_05:

I wasn't the very first person. Of us, I was the first one.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, of our family.

SPEAKER_05:

But our whole family got this.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

And all of our neighbors, yes, and all of our kids' friends.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. It was, it was not, it was like a just just taking a moment to say uh boost up on your emergency and all your protection. In 20 years of having kids, this is the first time the entire family got hit. No joke.

SPEAKER_05:

And also, and also I very rarely take a hit.

SPEAKER_00:

Exactly. I've I even more rarely take away.

SPEAKER_05:

But I've been like sick like four times in the last 20 years.

SPEAKER_00:

Right.

SPEAKER_05:

So Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

When I take a hit, I take it hard.

SPEAKER_05:

Anyway. So yes, this brings up a conundrum.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

How can we both be PTS and how can we both be SPs?

SPEAKER_00:

And the maybe you're PTS to me and I'm PTS to you.

SPEAKER_05:

The answer is none of that bullshit's real. And I just got the flu from one of our kids' friends.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep. Anyway. Exactly. And yes, it was flu A for uh anyone wondering. Oh, there we go. Okay, back to the back to the topic. So they had these inch wives.

SPEAKER_05:

So they had these wives on there, and they became known as the inch wives.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

Because there was four of them, and they all said they knew every inch of their husband.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

And um, and it actually, I think the program was pretty good. Um we covered it in the um on the channel in these spy files where we got all these documents back and forth from David Miscavige and Mike Rinder and and Tommy Davis and OSA. And um in those documents, they tell uh they talk about how Larry King was being given this carrot. Like, hey, if you don't run any bad stories on Scientology, you might get an interview with David Miscavige. And they were doing the same thing with Anderson Cooper for years. Hey, don't do any of these crazy Scientology things because you might get to interview David Miscavige. They never do the interview.

SPEAKER_00:

Of course not.

SPEAKER_05:

Every once in a while, they'd taught they'd they'd throw Tom Cruise a b uh the bone, be the bone, throw Tom to them to do an interview. I think he did one with Larry King. I don't think he ever did one with Anderson Cooper. But finally Cooper was just like, you know what, I'm done messing with you guys. I'm gonna, I'm gonna do a show on you guys. And it's not gonna be, you're not gonna like it. And then they were sort of like Scientology behind the scenes was like, well, that's it. Then you're never getting the David Miscavige interview that no one ever got, but you know, since the Ted Coppel thing. Anyway, um, so Jeff was on that Anderson Cooper show. That's the that's a long way of showing what that one picture there is that says CNN down the corner.

SPEAKER_02:

Yep.

SPEAKER_05:

Um and then um we also so there, oh, there's that picture of us when we went to go shoot. That's uh Leah and Mike in the front of the SUV, and then that's Amy and Jeff in the middle, and then that's me, and that's you and I in the very back.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, there you go. I don't remember which shoot that was, but I do.

SPEAKER_00:

Um yeah, anyway, whatever.

SPEAKER_05:

And then we also we would go on um cruises a lot with our families.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and originally this started with Ron Miscavige Sr.'s families. Um Ron and Becky are the ones who first uh who got us to go on a cruise. Yes, exactly. And on some of those early cruises.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, we invited Jeff and and uh you know uh Becky and Ron and um Steve and all these people that would hang out with us on these cruises.

SPEAKER_00:

Janice and Mark Fisher and Yeah, and and and especially from the pictures here, it's worth mentioning Jeff, because Jeff worked in marketing for Scientology for many years. Of course, what he's most well known for is the eighties Dianetics ads.

SPEAKER_05:

That's right. Um but yeah, so but uh but but a lot of their friend group in the X world are all these marketing people that used to be in Scientology.

SPEAKER_00:

So Carrie and Peter Cook and Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

So and even um, you know, just all these extra people, Dan Kuhn and Mary and Caroline Mustard, all these people um we knew when we worked at the base um in the 90s and the 2000s. And um and these people have all left um Scientology, they don't have anything to do with it anymore. And a lot of them um help to expose it in their own in their own way, however they do that. Yep. Um anyway, so farewell to Jeff. We'll miss you. And um yeah, it's sad.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it is. But his his books and his work live on, and um Tony put up a Tony Ortega put up a an article today covering an article that Jeff had written back in like 2012, I want to say, about these um points that Scientologists are required to forget. It was really, really, really good. Like forget that they announced that Hubbard had researched and codified through OT fifteen, for example, or forget that David Miscavige was never assigned to take over Scientology. You know, things like that. Yeah, I think I remember. In the history of of um Scientology and and what they are today versus you know anyway.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, and also when my book came out in 2009, there weren't any other books out at that time by ex-scientologists that were at the end base. Correct. And then Jeff had his book come out come out. Um Amy Scoby had a book, um, Nancy Maney had a book. She wasn't really at the end base, but her book came out around at the exact same time as mine did. Same day, actually, I think her book came out, or or the same week.

SPEAKER_00:

I remember it was like a we didn't even know she was doing a book, and then we went to her house and we knew she was before it came out.

SPEAKER_05:

Remember, because then that's how we got she gave us the note from her publisher that said this is really horrible and it needs to be funny. It's not funny. It should have some kind of funny in it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

And then I was like, okay, good. Well, I'm gonna leave all the dumb, funny stuff that I put in mind because I know, but it was just people were like, you kind of like are making fun of a lot of this stuff. And I'm like, well, yeah, it's hard not to just focus on the horrible aspect of it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, you know, I read a lot of books, and um I think it's important to just not always be like this heavy black cloud.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

My book will probably be a heavy black cloud, too. But you know, your the your unique skill, in my opinion, is making people laugh about things that it's not that it's funny. It's just the way that you tell the story brings humor to it when it's something that you think you never think in a million years that you would be laughing about something like that. But it does, you know, it's a form of therapy to be able to laugh about things.

SPEAKER_05:

I think the one thing that I've always liked, and this is probably for my dad, is comedy.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

Because my dad would watch the Tonight Show every night.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Um that used to annoy me about you in the early in our early years of the time. Dad would watch that? No, it was so remember, we so rarely had time off that anytime we had like even two hours off, yeah, if we had an opportunity to see a movie, for example, I would always want to be like thriller, action. And you would what you would be like, hey, let's go see Bill and Ted's excellent adventures. I was like, I don't know, I'm just not really into comedy. And anyway, you you got me into comedy, so thanks for that.

SPEAKER_05:

Anyway, I love comedy, and we've always sort of even when we live when we first lived in LA, we went to uh comedy, a lot of comedy shows there.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, we did. Um and then I've come I've come to love and appreciate laughter as an important part of my life.

SPEAKER_05:

But but we go a lot, more than most people, I would say. We go to a comedy show probably every three or four months, at least.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and I mean you listen to Well no, no, I know, but I'm saying together we'll go to a show.

SPEAKER_05:

We'll actually go to a live show.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

And um, yeah, and I watch a ton of comedy just as a regular thing. So this is kind of cool, what we're gonna tell you guys. And this is actually this has been a long time coming because in a weird series of events, there's a comedy, there's two comedy clubs here in Denver that we go to a lot.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

There's one downtown, and then there's one that's a little near, more close to us down south.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

And they're called it's called Comedy Works. And we've been going to Comedy Works since we've lived in Denver on a pretty regular basis.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, like we've celebrated our anniversaries there.

SPEAKER_05:

Totally. At least once, two, three, four times a year, we'll go to one at one of these clubs.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Um in addition more than going to the movies, for example. Sure. Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

And we also go to there's been like theater shows and arena shows, and we go to those as well.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Well, in a weird series of events, Claire has actually known the owner of comedy works for many of these years.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

But we but we never sh Claire knew her in a professional capacity.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it was on a complete different intersection that had nothing to do with with comedy. With comedy, nor and nothing to do with exposing Scientology either. That's true.

SPEAKER_05:

Nothing to do with Scientology, nothing like that.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

And then I want to say probably three or four years ago, we were going to go to a show.

SPEAKER_02:

Yep.

SPEAKER_05:

And it was a comedian that I really liked, and I followed, and I watched their podcast, and all these other things. And I thought to myself, hey Claire.

SPEAKER_00:

You didn't think to yourself. You said to me, Claire.

SPEAKER_05:

I didn't think to myself, hey, Claire knows the owner of the club.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

This whole time. We've never got the hookup.

SPEAKER_00:

No.

SPEAKER_05:

And I said, Hey Claire.

SPEAKER_00:

Don't you know this woman?

SPEAKER_05:

Email your buddy. Don't you have your buddy? Email your friend that you know separately and ask her if we can get into backstage or if we can, you know, something. Yeah, and I can agree for five seconds.

SPEAKER_00:

I was a little reluctant, but you know, I could I I thought, hey, what's the harm in asking?

SPEAKER_05:

Anyway, Claire emails her.

SPEAKER_00:

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05:

And we'd been doing, we'd already done the aftermath show, we've done all the TV shows and the movies and the documentary and the this and the that. And we'd also done a bunch of stuff on YouTube for probably about a year or so.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

And when Claire emailed the owner of Comedy Works, the owner of Comedy Works wrote back that she'd been watching all of our YouTube videos.

SPEAKER_02:

Right.

SPEAKER_05:

And then she was a huge fan, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, so then we basically said, Hey, great, that's nice. Um, can you get us into backstage to see what and she said, Of course, absolutely, whatever you want, you can hang out, da-da-da-da-da. And we actually ended up seeing the comedian and then telling Scientology stories with the comedian in her groom green room for like an at least an hour, like enough where I was like, We gotta go. We gotta leave this poor woman alone. Anyway, um, and then we got to talking with the with the owner of Comedy Works, and um also Comedy Works is like one of the best clubs, comedy clubs in the in the world, according to comedians. Right. And they mention the owner in you know, thanking, and they're there's a lot of specials that are shot there for comp comedians and all that good stuff. Anyway, so what we're gonna announce here, I'll put this back up on the thing here, I guess. See if I can do it this way. Um We're gonna have an aftermath fundraiser at Comedy Works here in Denver on March 11th, 2026. Um Comedy Works is actually hosting the fundraiser. And we're gonna participate in it. We'll be there. And um there's a ton of live auction um items that the companies are donating and tickets to things and and audio visual. Audiovisual gear.

SPEAKER_00:

Unless you think it be a mistake. No, it is not a mistake, but this is March 11th.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, March 11th. Uh March 13th is um Al Ron Hubbard's birthday. So we wanted to get it at it in right before.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

So it could count it on their stats.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05:

I don't even know how this would count.

SPEAKER_00:

It would make them down stats.

SPEAKER_05:

But but what stat would be down? We're a situation handled. N theta press or n theta flap uh like uh situations found and handled.

SPEAKER_00:

We have not been handled. We have to do that.

SPEAKER_05:

It's a situation that's been found, but it's never getting handled.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Ain't never gonna handle us, Office of Special Affairs, until you're shut down and no longer causing disconnection and abuse and everything else. So there you go.

SPEAKER_05:

There's tickets. You can buy tickets for it right now.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep.

SPEAKER_05:

Excuse me.

SPEAKER_00:

Um obviously it's in Why don't you read through the thing? Yeah, good idea. Upcoming comedy for a cause. March 11th, 2026, Denver, Colorado, hosted by Comedy Works Denver. Benefits the Michael J. Render Aftermath Foundation, featured comedian John Novosad, silent auction at 6 p.m., showtime at 7 30 p.m. Tickets available at comedyworks.com.

SPEAKER_05:

And I did put a link in the video description.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and Clara just added the link in the chat as well. Thank you, Clara. Um, so yes, we have all kinds of amazing things coming. Um if you'd like to attend, we'd love to see you. If you have uh um items to donate for the silent auction, reach out to Clara at the aftermath foundation.org uh or to me. Um, Lara Anderson is in the chat. She says, I'm pretty sure I'll be in Colorado in March. Boom, Lara, I got you a ticket.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah. So this is gonna be we've been trying to do this for a while, and we've been trying to exactly figure out how we could do something like this.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

We want to start doing more fundraisers locally and also all over.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and also use these as an opportunity to educate more and reach more people about the work that we do at the Michael J. Render Aftermath Foundation. Um, you know, share stories and everything else because it's very important work, and um, we couldn't do it without the support of our donors and everyone watching here today.

SPEAKER_05:

And um, it's also ironic, but also very appropriate. Scientology is almost uh has a a physical allergic reaction to comedy. They do. This is like having a vampire uh like uh take out the vampire convention at a garlic factory. Okay. They ain't gonna be able to come near it without losing their minds.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, Scientology does not approve of comedy. Yeah, it's they call that joking and degrading. And anyone who jokes and degrades, according to L. Ron Hubbard, is um is a degraded being a bad person, degraded being. Yeah. I mean, labels. Talk about labels, it's so sickening. But it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_05:

Anyway, so we thought it would be funny if we had a fundraiser at a comedy club. Um, and more and more comedians lately are kind of poking fun at Scientology, and it's not it's not as scary a thing for them to mess with and worry about their career getting killed.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Because it kind of used to be like that. If you did, if you did uh say something bad about Scientology, then you're not gonna be on the certain channel that Tom Cruise can have some sway over, or you're not gonna get in a movie part because Scientologists are kind of in in and out and all over kind of Hollywood in the in the nooks and crannies and the dark corners and all that nonsense.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep. Yeah, anyway, we have an excellent population of suppressive persons in the Denver, Colorado area.

SPEAKER_05:

We might have the most uh uh we figured it out one time. We have the highest SP per capita.

SPEAKER_00:

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

It was for a while. There was a very strong SP community.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, so many of many of our fellow suppressive persons will absolutely be planning to attend. That's true.

SPEAKER_05:

If you come, you might meet. That's a great idea. We should have guest SPs.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, for sure. Exactly. And then and by the way, Office of Special Affairs, you know, if you'd like to attend, we won't judge. It will present a unique opportunity to for us to just shuttle you out the back door if you'd like to start your life over again.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, we don't know. That's a good point about OSA. There is genuinely the possibility that a Scientologist will attend this in efforts to spy on the fun. We've had birthday parties that they've spied on.

SPEAKER_00:

We've had We've just reached the point where we're like, you know, I know it's not for everybody. It can definitely feel intimidating.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

But also, we have nothing to hide.

SPEAKER_05:

There's nothing they can do at this point.

SPEAKER_00:

We raise our kids, we live in Colorado, like we have nothing to hide. So, you know, have at it. And hey, if you want to uh use the opportunity to escape and start over, we'd love to help you.

SPEAKER_03:

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep.

SPEAKER_03:

Awesome.

SPEAKER_00:

There you go. So that's what's upcoming. Link in the description.

SPEAKER_05:

We're we weren't gonna do a video today, but I was like, we've gotta do a video. I don't and I I know maybe I'm sorry, Wendy, this wasn't the best promotion for it with my horrible voice. But um it's okay. But we'll regardless, we're gonna talk about this as much as we can between now and then. Yeah, we'd love to sell it out. Um I believe so, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

That is the plan. So we're we're yeah, you know, again, this is the first time we're doing an official like fundraiser event for the bid online.

SPEAKER_05:

Um we were thinking, you guys let us know in the comments. We were thinking of maybe doing like a pre-show, like showing different people that are there.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. If you if you if anyone watching would like to vote that Mark be the MC of this event.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh my goodness, no, don't do this. Don't do this.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh sorry to put pull a fast one on you guys.

SPEAKER_05:

I would literally peep, I would have to subject people to my horrible Scientology slash comedy.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, we'll see. Um Clara says, Can I come and help with the pre-show? Hell yeah. It's all right. We'll we're gonna have fun with this.

SPEAKER_05:

Of course we will. We'll won't we'll we're gonna I'm I'm pretty sure Claire's gonna have to be there.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, we would love for you to come, Clara.

SPEAKER_05:

That's not even a joke. Well, there's gonna be a lot of runner you guys are gonna be running around like crazy people.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, I know, I know. I was already having tossing and turning last night thinking about it.

SPEAKER_05:

It's gonna be a lot.

SPEAKER_00:

Um it'll be an amazing fun event, though.

SPEAKER_05:

Um hold on. Yeah. Are we doing it at the downtown one or are we doing it at No, it's South. South. Okay. So there's two different ones. There's down Comedy Works Downtown, and then there's Comedy Works South at the landmark. That's right. That's what they call it.

SPEAKER_00:

It's Greenwood Village officially, I think. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Anyway, that's where we've seen. We saw uh Dave Chappelle before all those Netflix specials he came out.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

I want to say he did like at least two or three, or maybe even four different worth of specials in the one night that we saw him, that he was working out a show. And um, and he would come often to Denver to do that kind of thing before specials kind of go through it and and work the material. But we've seen, I mean, we've seen probably 20, 30 other comedians.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, Nikki Glazer, Christina P, I mean too many to list.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah. And we've also seen a bunch um downtown, but we like the South Club better because it's got a really nice restaurant that you can go have a nice dinner in, and then they'll bring you to the front row after the the front rows are reserved for the people who have dinner before.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so upstairs in the restaurant will have food and silent auction and everything. And we love the food and mingle and meet and greet and all that kind of stuff, and then the show will be at 7 30. It will be an amazing time.

SPEAKER_05:

So okay, enough about that. Link in the description.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, there we go.

SPEAKER_05:

Fake Navy Davy. Guys, we have been getting stuff, but it's not enough. We couldn't have really enough to do everything because we're getting we're getting not that many. We got we need more photos from you guys of fake navy Davy doing stuff. Yeah, getting up to nonsense.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so at least, at least until further notice, we'll keep this contest going just to, you know, have I like it. Br bring some levity and uh, you know, reminders of the abomination known as David Miscavige.

SPEAKER_05:

Anyway. No, fake navy Davy. We're not talking about Dave.

SPEAKER_00:

Whatever you say, honey.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay. Three winners at the end of each month announced at the first podcast of the following month. Fan favorite, Claire's favorite, Mark's favorite. Submit, post, like, share.

SPEAKER_00:

We do have a few uh a number of submissions. They dropped off for December just with Christmas and everything. And and also we were just really tied up with work and so forth. So if you've submitted and we haven't shown it, that's all right. We'll include those in the next round of uh winners or you know, announcements and sharing and all that good stuff.

SPEAKER_05:

What do you win?

SPEAKER_00:

You win either a Mike or a Leah bobblehead.

SPEAKER_05:

Amazing.

SPEAKER_00:

Also available at the SP shop.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, if you don't want to, if you don't want to wait, you can just go get one. Yeah, we've had a lot of bobbles bobblehead sales in the last few months.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and we do have a handful left of signed photos of uh a small amount of photos that Mike signed before he passed.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, some that Leah and Mike both signed, and then some that Leah signed. So we still have some of those.

SPEAKER_05:

Not a lot.

SPEAKER_00:

No.

SPEAKER_05:

Like it's under 50 that we have left.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep.

SPEAKER_05:

So if you want one of those um signed by Mike and Leah, or one that's just signed by Mike, or one that's just signed by Leah, we have those. But then you can also just buy a bobblehead by itself with no picture, nothing of Mike or Leah.

SPEAKER_00:

Nice. Somebody in the chat just commented from Parker and they got their ticket. Yay! Already. We'll see you there. Awesome.

SPEAKER_02:

Nice.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, absolutely. That's good. I like that. Yes, that's amazing. Thank you. Thank you. We hope to see lots of you there in Denver. If you're anywhere close enough to join us, that would be amazing.

SPEAKER_05:

Um, is there more in this thing? Oh, it's done. There you go. Yeah. Submit your photos, blah, blah, blah. You'll have to go back to here.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Um that's not so we didn't we didn't go so long. We did okay.

SPEAKER_01:

We did we did good.

SPEAKER_05:

Do we want to do some questions? People like it when we do the questions. I know some people tune out when I start reading all the Billy Bob from you know Kentucky and all that.

SPEAKER_00:

But no, we love Billy Bob from Kentucky. I like doing that. I like doing that. Yeah, it's all right. We'll do a few questions. We'll we'll keep it on the short side today so that you can finish recovering before you have to head out. All right. Uh C Cloud PhD, greetings from the inner banks of the Albemarle Sound. Albemarley? I'm not sure about that. Okay. Uh, we talked about the passing of Heber Gench. Yes, thank you for that. Trevinon, happy new year and good evening from the Netherlands. Awesome. Yeah, oh, by the way, I saw um a summary of our podcast. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

A year and you want to share that? You can just share it on social media.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, we'll we'll I'll I'll link to I'll put it up on the community page. But it was very interesting because it covered how many countries, which was a crazy amount, and it covered like the top cities, the top cities still Sydney, Australia.

SPEAKER_05:

Our podcast, for some reason, you podcasters in Sydney are jamming up the airwaves, and um, and but the the second one was Los Angeles. No, no, no, it was another Australian one. Oh, it was Melbourne, Melbourne, L. Melbourne, Melbourne, Sydney, Melbourne, I think, I want to say, and then L. I was like, what are the chances?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, there you go. It's okay, Clara. She said, oh shoot, that's what I forgot to add the slide. Sorry, chat. That's on me. I had sent her the summary video. It's it's all good. I'll post it on the Quran.

SPEAKER_05:

Threw you right under there, Claire. Just skidoosh. Skadoosh. Like, did you put it into gear?

SPEAKER_00:

She commented in the chat. I'm only responding to I was not gonna.

SPEAKER_05:

She threw you right. You threw your she threw herself under the bus and you put it into gear.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh my God. Please, Louise.

SPEAKER_05:

Techie says hello from Nebaska. Hey Techie.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh SP Crusader says, can we email pictures of Davy? Which address? Yes, you can send to Claire at blownforgood.com. Sherry says, hello, hello, and happy new year to all. Yes. Yes, happy new. Agreed. Happy New Year. Insomniac 1985. Hey from the UK. That's a long time for no nap, everybody.

SPEAKER_03:

1985.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh dear.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, that's that's like 40 no no naps.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

A lot of no naps. Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm a big fan of sleep these days. Ever since uh escaping from this organization, I thoroughly enjoy my sleep. Mary Kay, I'm glad this was scheduled for today. I was kind of bored. LOL. Awesome. Well, good to see you, Mary Kay, at um Becky Big Brother fan. Hey there, happy new year. Best wishes from the UK. Awesome.

SPEAKER_03:

Yo.

SPEAKER_00:

Yo yo. Manon, hi all. Happy New Year from the Netherlands where it's freezing cold. Oh, there you go. Yeah, it's like what 17. 17 here right now, I think.

SPEAKER_05:

It's been snowing. We've had snow like the last few days.

SPEAKER_00:

We had an unusually warm Christmas. Um, Allie, hi everyone from Allison in England. Yay. Lupita, hi y'all from Texas. Thanks for being here. Magda, hello from Washington. Hi, y'all from Indy. Joseph Brian Stanley, Necessary Trouble. Hey from Montana. Nice. Uh Luna. Hello from New Hampshire. Awesome. Good morning from Central Victoria, Australia. Nice. Oh, hold on. Oh, uh, okay. Let me put up this real quick. Danielle. Hey, Danielle. Question. I would like to donate as I'm in the UK, so won't be going to the show. Could you let me know how, please? Absolutely. You can do that on the aftermathfoundation.org. We have a donate button there. Um and in terms of the this particular fundraiser, you can just note put in the comments that it's to support the March 11th fundraiser. We appreciate your support, Danielle. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_05:

That's true. If you want to fund or you want your money that you donate to, if you want that to go towards this, you can say, hey, put this towards the fundraiser. Yeah. It's not going to cost us nothing to do the fundraiser. Yeah. But Comedy Works is donating their facilities and putting on the show.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. So ticket proceeds 100% go to the foundation. Yeah. And of course the silent auction items and so forth. But we can also set it up as a um on the platform that we use to manage donations, we can set it up to support March 11th fundraisers. Yeah. We will make note of that. Yeah, exactly. My wonderful partner, Clara, my partner in crime, I'm sure is all over it. Xenwite, howdy from Austin, cold and sunny, loving it. There you go. Awesome. Something with blisters. Hi from Washington State. I know I was trying to grapple with the username. Knit nut something. Greetings from Cameron, North Carolina. Hey, Betsy Sue. Good to see you here.

SPEAKER_05:

It was Knit Nut with Blisters. Knit Nut with blisters.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay then. All right. It's a very uh it's like she sells seashells on the seashore. Claire, did you work with Heber? Yes, we talked about that. Yeah. So yes, I did.

SPEAKER_05:

Catherine.

SPEAKER_00:

Heber was a really nice man. I saw him quite a bit in Los Angeles. We worked in the same building. He worked in the same building I did for years. Yes. Yep. Jeff's book, Closing Minds, really helped me. Yes. Thank you, Catherine. Absolutely. Love and Life. Recently learned that the pasta queen is a Scientologist. Would you guys know if this is true? I do remember hearing that that was.

SPEAKER_03:

What is a pasta queen?

SPEAKER_00:

It's a person, it's like a social media lady, I think from Florida, actually.

SPEAKER_05:

She's the queen of pasta.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, you know, she each their own.

SPEAKER_05:

Is there a knock an Elfredo, Alfredo King and a uh angel hair prince? What are we talking about here?

SPEAKER_00:

Is there a rice king?

SPEAKER_05:

Pasta queen.

SPEAKER_00:

Start coughing. Oh boy, here we go. Uh yes, I I do remember hearing about that. Um yeah, I'm not sure how involved or not she is, but I absolutely remember hearing about that connection for sure.

SPEAKER_05:

I'm so glad I don't have social media. Is this a social media thing?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Like I want to say, I I don't remember which platform she's big on, but I want to say it was TikTok or something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05:

It's like those guys that Grayson likes to do. What are those guys? Of course we're the Costco guys, please.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, the Costco guys. Yeah. Oh my gosh. The guys, the Costco guys on on YouTube. It's okay.

SPEAKER_05:

Grayson imitates these guys that go to Costco.

SPEAKER_00:

He does a really, really funny imitation.

SPEAKER_05:

He does all that when we go to Costco.

SPEAKER_00:

It's so funny. It is so funny. He is literally your uh replica on the comedy book. So research. Recently learned. Okay, yeah. So yeah, it is to as far as I know, it's true. Hey, hey, it's Nashate. Do Scientologists completely ignore the existence of germs? Yes. Pretty much. I wouldn't say it's that they ignore the existence of them. It's just that anytime someone gets ill, it's reassigned the the cause is reassigned to a suppressive person.

SPEAKER_05:

So yeah, it's never there's n they believe in the flu and they believe in colds and isolation and not getting it mixing up people that are sick.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Like But the reason you get sick the the reason you get the germs is because you're uh near a suppressive person.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. Like there were many years that we were required when we were worked in the sea organization on the property to get flu shots. Because it of course it is a large amount of people working in close proximity, um, at least it was at that time. So the tendency for things to spread very quickly was uh I mean it was a huge liability, I think it's fair to say.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay, now there's a you start all these. I'm gonna read them.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay.

SPEAKER_05:

You can read them, and then I'll make a comment at the end.

SPEAKER_00:

All right. I vote Mark for the MC. Thank you, Catherine. I vote yes, Mark for MC. Yes, Mark for MC. I vote Mark. MC Mark. MC Mark is my homeboy. I vote yes, Mark MC, MC Mark.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay. So that also another question. Could the comedy be live streamed and could you charge a ticket price? That's a good point we could ask.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, Rachel and Michelle, Rachel Hastings and Michelle Adair were asking about that as well.

SPEAKER_05:

If we did that, we'd have to basically figure that out with Wendy, but we could easily do that and make it work.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay. All right. We'll we'll get on it. Linda, thank you for the suggestion.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah. Anyway, in terms of me being the MC, that has to be decided by the people who are putting the event together. And that's not me.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, it's me. Anyway. Oh dear.

SPEAKER_05:

We'll have to figure this out.

SPEAKER_00:

Folks, I'll be honest. I pulled a fast one on Mark here very intentionally.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, I'm gonna no one ever, no one has ever asked me about this.

SPEAKER_00:

You've kind of been sick since I had the idea. So anyway, we'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_05:

I was leaving you alone. We'll figure it out. Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

Awesome. Either way, it's gonna be an amazing event.

SPEAKER_05:

I've got about a month and a half to get my voice back to number one.

SPEAKER_00:

Which is plenty of time.

SPEAKER_05:

Um to be fair, I actually did kind of blow my voice out the week before as well.

SPEAKER_00:

You did. Which I think preempted making this worse than the first time. That is exactly what happened.

SPEAKER_05:

It wasn't already back. It wasn't back before I it got uh uh took another hit. So when we were on our vacation with our family, um excitement that happened.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, fan uh with our family of choice for Christmas, so that we none of us would be we would all be together, especially with this being the first year without Mike. We it was very important to us. Um and yeah, during that said festivities, I lost my voice. He literally uh blew out his voice. He sat down from blowing out his voice and he said, My voice is toast, and he was right.

SPEAKER_05:

And like an hour later, I couldn't talk.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay. So I gotta I gotta take it easy for at least a month.

SPEAKER_00:

You do.

SPEAKER_05:

Um, regardless. But this will be fun, guys. I think it'll be a ton of fun. I think we'll we'll make we'll make it as fun as it can be.

SPEAKER_00:

It's gonna be, you know, it's it's a really good cause, and it's feels fitting that we're doing this right before Al Ron Hubbard's birthday with comedy.

SPEAKER_05:

And we are gonna try to get some special guests that are gonna be amazing special guests.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

Um, I have three or four in mind, and I know who the three or four are you. And I'm gonna try to make it so it happens.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. So it will be no matter what, it will be a great time with a lot of good people. There's the people here in Colorado are awesome. Um, so I'm just excited to come together and celebrate the work that the foundation does with comedy.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, it'll be fun.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep.

SPEAKER_05:

Um awesome sawsome. Um I think we covered everything.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, we did.

SPEAKER_05:

It's a good point on it being live.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

On it being streamed. Yeah, it's a really good point. Because then we can just get people to watch it on that platform or however you do it. Yeah. We can even do like a, I don't know what they call it, like a chat-a-thon or uh isn't there there's some there's something that I'm drawing a blank right now.

SPEAKER_05:

Sorry if you're like a telethon.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, there you go. There you go. That's it. That's it.

unknown:

Nice.

SPEAKER_00:

Um uh what's this?

SPEAKER_05:

Look at this. Isn't your anniversary coming up?

SPEAKER_00:

My yes, my escape anniversary is on the 24th of January. I'm not gonna be able to make it to release my book by then, but you know, unbelievable this one over here.

SPEAKER_05:

You know how when you are get like really, really scatterbrained and you're doing like five different things You mean like every day? No, I'm just saying to the regular person. I'm not talking to you specifically. I'm just saying you know how you might have like five different projects, like you got a graduation party, and then you've got a dinner that's happening, and then you've got your job, and then you've got your other job, and then you have your third job. Claire has like ten of those things. And the fact that every time I try to tell him Do less. Do less. He really does do less.

SPEAKER_00:

And I and I appreciate that. Do less. I appreciate this. Do less.

SPEAKER_05:

And her response is to then instead of do ten things, do 15 things.

SPEAKER_00:

No, I I no, I I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay, instead of doing seven, doing ten.

SPEAKER_00:

No, when you tell me five horribly and I'm doing shut up.

SPEAKER_05:

Do five good and do five horribly.

SPEAKER_00:

Hey, close close it. You're not supposed to be wearing out your voice.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh if you tell me, which you have done many times, yeah. You're doing ten things. I I'll switch to doing eight. That's all.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay. But then but then pick up two or three more. Kind of just they kind of grow, they just kind of like, oh yeah, we're gonna do this. And I'm like, well, that's a great idea. I'd love that we're gonna do that. Who's gonna do that? Well, I'm gonna do that. And you're like, uh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, I gotta show this to me on it.

SPEAKER_05:

I gotta show this. Uh Dr. X.

SPEAKER_00:

Dr. X, happy New Year, all condolences to Jeff and Heber's family. Thinking of all who have lost friends and family missing Mike dearly. Vote Mark as MC. Great idea for the live stream as extra fundraiser. Get better soon, Mark. Thank you, Dr. X.

SPEAKER_05:

Now I gotta say this about Dr. X.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

Dr. X sent us these boxes, boxes, and boxes of stuff for Christmas.

SPEAKER_00:

We are utterly spoiled.

SPEAKER_05:

Legos for the kids, and and I don't even know how this happened, but my favorite candy in the entire universe is from Australia.

SPEAKER_00:

And I didn't even know this.

SPEAKER_05:

And I also just haven't had it in like 20, 30 years.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep.

SPEAKER_05:

But there's these things, they're called minties by Alan. And I love minties. Whenever I have friends that worked in Australia, they'd get them sent to them, and I'd get some here and there, and I would always be like, oh man, give me a whole bag of these. Don't just be, I just don't want little handouts here. I want to get you, I want to give you some money and you get me bags. Yep. Anyway, out of nowhere, this package shows up for Christmas with tons of goodies and toys and all kinds of stuff, and a package for Serge Obolinski. And a package for this person and a package for that person, a package for Clara, and a package. Anyway, and I and I told Claire, I said, Hey, you gotta write to these guys and tell them. Like, listen.

SPEAKER_00:

We so appreciate it. This is amazing.

SPEAKER_05:

It's kind of the craziest thing ever. Well, then New Year's is a week later, and a whole new one shows up for New Year's. And I then I was just like, these guys are these guys are next level.

SPEAKER_00:

Next level, next level.

SPEAKER_05:

Anyway, but thank you very much, Dr. X.

SPEAKER_00:

And especially for remembering Serge Obolensky. Yeah. He so appreciated his favorite thing is going to the movies. So um he from a few different people, including Dr. X, he got um AMC gift cards, which is just the best for Ambassador.

SPEAKER_05:

He loves an AMC gift card.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, he does. So we also got he went to the movies on New Year's Day, courtesy of Dr. X and Dr. Paul. So he really, really appreciated it.

SPEAKER_05:

Serge loves movies. He does. He really loves movies. And when we did the documentary on him, we'd found out he was in Clueless and he was in Independence Day.

SPEAKER_01:

As an extra.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, when he was here, he thought of like 10 more things he was in.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

He was in all of these movies, guys. Yeah. And TV shows and this and that. It was crazy. How many more he remembers that he was in.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

That we never talked about.

SPEAKER_01:

Yep. Exactly.

SPEAKER_05:

Anyway, we got him this. Um, he used to have a portable uh DVD player, and um, it broke.

SPEAKER_01:

Yep.

SPEAKER_05:

And be because uh uh he doesn't have a lot of money, um he d he doesn't he's not doesn't have a Netflix subscription or he actually We got him a Netflix subscription. We got him, he's on our Netflix subscription. Um but he doesn't have he's not renting movies per se, or he's not downloading and paying for a lot of content besides the Netflix.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Anyway, we got him this little portable DVD player, and he can actually take his library and go, his library card, and go to the library, and he can rent as many DVDs as he wants.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

And he can just watch him on his little That's right.

SPEAKER_00:

And that's ca b um we brought Serge out to visit our family over Thanksgiving. So he spent Thanksgiving with us, and that's what he told us was his um desired Christmas present. So we got it taken care of, and now he can watch movies to his heart's content.

SPEAKER_05:

Nice.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

All right, we made it to the end. Thanks to everybody joining us for the first stream of 2026. Um, we might not be able to get back onto our regularly scheduled programming of Sundays for we'll do what we can do.

SPEAKER_05:

Yes, we can do. We've got I'll tell you, between Claire and I we do have a lot going on. And business wise, we're both busier than we've ever been the past few years. And then aftermath wise, we're busiest that we've ever been. And then so something's gotta take a hit.

SPEAKER_00:

And coming up, we have our middle son graduating high school and all kinds of things.

SPEAKER_05:

So but one thing's gotta take a hit, and it's usually this. Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

It's it's nothing personal, it's just that we have to, you know, we have our day jobs as we call them, which And also, if I'm not here and Claire's not here, yes, it makes it very difficult.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

And um anyway, we'll keep we'll do we'll keep doing what we can do. Oh, look, I hit the back behind the scenes. There you go. That's what it looks like behind the scenes.

SPEAKER_01:

There you go, folks.

SPEAKER_05:

I did that by accident. Um anyway, I think we're good. Um I'm gonna put up uh comments on the end of the video when it's playing.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, Danielle Chamberlain just said, Claire, can you email me a postal address? I have DVDs for Surge. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, that's a good idea. If anybody wants to get rid of old DVDs, it doesn't matter what they are. I've at Surge has watched some rando stuff every once in a while. He does like he likes blockbusters and he likes like really good movies.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

But he'll watch a he'll watch a dud here and there. Yes if it's in there, he'll watch it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And and he has uh uh you know uh the setup to be able to watch it now. Thank you, Danielle. That's a great idea. Please email Clara and we'll get you an address.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, or they can just send it to the aftermath and we can send it to him.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, for sure. The the aftermath address is on our website, the aftermath foundation.org.

SPEAKER_05:

Every month or every few weeks, he's getting something.

SPEAKER_00:

So, absolutely. Awesome. Awesome guys. We made it to the very end. Uh thank you again for being here. See you next time.

SPEAKER_05:

There's Claire. See you next time.

SPEAKER_00:

Hi.

SPEAKER_05:

There's me, there's I.

SPEAKER_04:

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