Scientology's Arbitration Trap - Exposed - LIVE Discussion

A “private religious process” sounds harmless until you see what it looks like on paper. We dig into newly public court documents describing Scientology’s so-called arbitration system and why experts say it’s not arbitration at all. From the Freewinds case involving former Sea Org members to the mechanics of how these clauses get signed today, we lay out what’s being used to keep serious claims away from a real judge, a real jury, and basic due process.

We also connect the dots to our own lawsuit history and explain the pressure tactics we experienced when facing Scientology in a legal setting: depositions designed to drain you, legal costs inflated on purpose, and the behind-the-scenes role of the Office of Special Affairs. Then we walk through what the documents allege happens inside Scientology’s “arbitration” room, including the lack of a neutral decision maker, restrictions on bringing attorneys, bans on recording or note-taking, and methods that appear aimed at humiliation and retraumatization rather than fact-finding.

Along the way, we unpack how Scientology’s internal ethics and justice procedures resemble a rigged system, why the word arbitration never existed in Hubbard’s church policies the way it’s being used now, and what this could mean for other pending cases where forced arbitration is the gatekeeper. We wrap with listener questions, a giveaway, and what we’re planning next, including an e-meter teardown and more Cult Survivor interviews.

If you want more transparent reporting and firsthand breakdowns of Scientology, forced arbitration, Sea Org life, and court accountability, subscribe, share this with a friend, and leave a review. What part of this process do you think courts should shut down first?

Transcript

Welcome Back And Channel Updates

SPEAKER_03 0:25

Hey guys, welcome back to the channel. Welcome to another episode of Blown for Good, Scientology Exposed. I am joined today by my lovely wife, Claire.

SPEAKER_01 0:35

Hey, hey, hey, everybody. Good to be back.

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Yes. I was traveling. We were traveling.

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By we, of course. For anyone listening, he means you.

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Well, no, you traveled. You traveled last week too.

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Yeah, I came for the weekend.

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Yeah, so hey.

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Which was a very busy weekend, by the way. We'll link to that when it comes out.

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Yeah. Oh, it's going to be a while. It's going to be at least a few months.

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It'll be June.

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We did another channel. I think they have over a million subscribers.

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Yeah.

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We did another YouTube channel, a big, bigger channel than us for sure. Long format. Seven hours. Seven hours. It's going to be have to be two parts, I think.

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Yep, for sure.

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So that was exciting.

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It was.

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I also had some work in the same state, so that worked out kind of perfectly.

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Yep. We like to um improve efficiencies.

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Not flying all the way to the East Coast and back for net for a podcast. Unless they're like got a more than that.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:40

But it was it was a great conversation. I'll definitely look forward to tons of great questions.

SPEAKER_03 1:45

Yeah, I might have gotten a little spicier than I get on on our channel in a few spots there. I was trying to I was trying to keep these guys entertained, and they were they were going for it.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

So never a dull moment with Marky Mark over here.

SPEAKER_03 1:59

Oh my goodness. It was a lot of fun. Yeah. It was a bunch of dudes, so I switched over to dude talk for a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

Much of which went over my head, but that's okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:09

Anyway, um that was fun. We also um we've got Claire started her new series.

SPEAKER_01 2:16

Yep. It's um it we we've got a lot of things coming, but it's always really interesting to have conversations with people from other course of cults um to compare notes and everything else. And of course, in the first episode, I talked with Sarah Edmondson and Nippy Ames, who were part of Nexium, and who were whistleblowers that got Keith Rainier um sentenced to 120 years in prison. Um and and of course, they're they were on the vow on HBO series. Um they came out with a new book, which is uh right here, a little bit culty. And yeah, so we got I we've I have a bunch of interviews lined up that we're pre-recording, and we'll be releasing those coming up.

SPEAKER_03 3:04

Awesome. And that'll fill in any blanks. We're gonna try to do it that way to fill in any blanks when we're not here to do a live.

SPEAKER_00 3:10

Yes.

Why Arbitration Became Scientology’s Shield

SPEAKER_03 3:10

Um and we we have particular knowledge about a few of the things that we've been talking about lately. Um and today we're gonna talk about Scientology's uh arbitration because when we filed our lawsuit, they didn't have this sort of system in place where they'd allow the courts to get off easy and just say, Oh, we don't want to deal with this, we're gonna we can't really look into your religious scriptures. That's how Scientology cloaks themselves and and enables this whole thing to work. And so um when we did our case, we did depositions. And in the case of a deposition, you have it's you and the Scientology people, but then it's also the Scientology lawyers and then our lawyers. And when we both we both did hours and hours of depositions and Scientology um, when they even in our depositions, they use Scientology techniques and they use their sort of methodology to sort to gat to try to gaslight you and to And to trigger you.

SPEAKER_01 4:28

I mean, I I very well remember the the first day you came home from deposition and you'd been with Kendrick Moxon the entire day, and you were like this is a shit show.

SPEAKER_03 4:47

Not that it was just a shit show, but it was just like it was emotionally draining because they there's a there's there's a whole bunch of little things that they do, and you know they're doing them. That's the crazy part, because you're like, oh, I know what you guys are doing, and but you can't really not participate because you you have to do the deposition. You have to do the deposition.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

Even in the deposition, they were trying to go to being argumentative so that they could then go, ah, gotcha. Now we've got to that, you know, this is this is a we gotta bring in a mediator and rack up more fees. And you know, they were very intentionally working it that way.

SPEAKER_03 5:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

Which our attorney had even told us ahead of time that that's what they were gonna do.

SPEAKER_03 5:38

Yeah. And also, they were getting all of these depositions not only videoed, but live streamed to David Miscavige, because we could see somebody from OSA. They had in our in our depositions, there was in my deposition, it was me and my one lawyer. And then on the other side of the table was Ken Moxon, who's their, he was one of the unindicted co-conspirators in Scientology's infiltration of the United States government, the largest that it's ever seen. And he was an unindicted co-conspirator for forging signatures, I think. Um he is their one of their lawyers. He's like an in-house Scientology lawyer.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

Right.

SPEAKER_03 6:23

And then they had a lawyer for Religious Technology Center, and then they had a lawyer for CSI, Church of Scientology International.

SPEAKER_00 6:33

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 6:33

And then they had the OSA like paralegals, like they're the ones that are the doing all the research on the and getting all the documents and all the they had bankers boxes and bankers boxes of every single internet post that I had made on a site that was called Operation Clambake, ex Scientology uh message board, and they had every single post.

SPEAKER_01 6:57

Um why we protest.

SPEAKER_03 6:58

And why we protest. That was an anonymous.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

And this for anyone unfamiliar anyone tuning in newly, that we're talking about our lawsuit against Scientology, which we filed in January 2009, and which eventually concluded with us losing, which we'll be talking about, in July 2012.

SPEAKER_03 7:22

Yeah. And when they do these depositions, if you just do a deposition, then it's like it's the fee of the the the court reporter and the not even that, just the transcripts.

SPEAKER_01 7:36

Well, I'm just the legal costs.

SPEAKER_03 7:38

Yeah, but to pay that person to be there and to to get a copy of the depositions.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

Now, in our case, another maybe we uh reimburse our own fee.

SPEAKER_03 7:50

Well, we have our we have our checks from these depositions on the walls behind us.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:56

Anyway, this will make sense later on in this video. But basically, every single deposition is let's just say that would cost$500 for that deposition. But because they're videoing it, that's like another$1,500.

SPEAKER_01 8:12

And because they're live streaming it.

SPEAKER_03 8:14

Because they're live streaming it, that's another$1,000.

SPEAKER_01 8:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:17

And then so they're they're purposely spending as much money as possible on these things because they're intending at the end of this, if we lose, to make us pay for all the things that they did and they required to for the deposition.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

Which is proven, by the way, by the fact that even as early as 2009, 2010, OSA was running a campaign online that, oh, we're gonna make blown for good, broke for good. Remember that? Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:48

So regardless, um that we could see somebody from OSA getting texts and then writing on post-it notes and putting that in front of the attorneys. Yep. So when we would go down a line of questioning and we were readily answering them because the answers to their questions were not good for them. Yeah. When the the lawyers, it's funny because the lawyers seemed to not know what was going on.

SPEAKER_01 9:15

Oh, they were oblivious.

SPEAKER_03 9:16

So Scientology.

SPEAKER_01 9:17

I mean, not Ken Moxon.

SPEAKER_03 9:19

No, but but the Mark Marmore and the other guy from the CSI's attorney, um, I think it was Prosgown Rose.

SPEAKER_04 9:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 9:27

Um they were they didn't know the answers to the questions that they were asking. Which in the in the and you find out in in deposition world, never ask answer and never ask a question you don't already know the answer to. Yep. Well, they did not know the answers. And so we'd see them writing stop, stop, stop the person from OSA getting the text and putting it in front of the attorney. And the attorney's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're like, no, no. They're like tapping on the on the post-it note, stop these questions.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

Every third sentence, it seemed like, was striked out from the record.

SPEAKER_03 10:01

Yeah. But oh no, but but and also whenever it would go really bad down one of these paths and the lawyer wouldn't have stopped, then they would say, we're gonna take a break for a moment. And then we could hear them going into the conference room next door and it be screaming and yelling, and and basically the lawyers getting addressing down from somebody. Um, and it was like um this is not going the way they want it to go. Regardless of all that, they do make it, they basically try to, in Scientology terms, re-stimulate the person that's being deposed, in our case, Claire or I, or 15 of these other people that we knew. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

Yeah, trigger, re-traumatize, all those things. They very intentionally try and they and they already know what our buttons are, what our reaction points are from our files and everything else. Like in my deposition, they use they pulled out emails from my mom to try and traumatize me.

SPEAKER_03 11:03

Yeah. So that went that was a that was a full-time aspect of getting deposed, in addition to the fact that you don't know if you say the wrong thing, if that's gonna mess up the case. And so there's a lot of stress. It's just a lot of stress as is. Right. And then you add on them just basically egging you on the entire time.

SPEAKER_01 11:29

And let's factor in. That doesn't factor in the stress of the of the discovery process. Like they're trying to, as much as it's bad for them, they're they're literally, they were requiring from us that we provide documentation of every single penny we'd made since we escaped Scientology and all this other nonsense. It was like, oh my God, like what the heck is this?

SPEAKER_03 11:55

Anyway, my whole point for telling you this is because that's how it was in a sort of pr professional, legal, moderated to some degree environment. Right. So our lawyers, if they said something.

SPEAKER_01 12:11

In a real world environment where it was like the elements you'd expect if you're saying, hey, this these people violated the law and and we have a a complaint to take up with them. That's you would expect that. Like you have somebody advocating for for you and your uh and your what you know, your your um testimony of what happened. Exactly. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 12:36

But the but my point is is this is a a legal, there's a little bit of legal decorum where protection. Yeah. And so if they say something that the that my lawyer doesn't think I should answer, or it's just bull, it's bull and it's not has nothing to do with anything, then our lawyer could say object to the form of the question or object to the whatever legal j jumbo jumping. We're not attorneys. Anyway. Whatever the correct um, I think it was mainly object to the form of the question or v or or uh unrelated or you know, the irrelevant irrelevant and all those other things. Okay. So in that environment, with all these lawyers on their side and our lawyer on our side, and it's being transcribed. The entire meeting is being transcribed and recorded on video and live streamed. So there's gonna be a record of all this, and they can't they can't really they can they can push the rules and kind of be a little evil like lawyers want to be, or it's their lawyers or them.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

Scientology lawyers.

SPEAKER_03 13:40

Scientology lawyers. Imagine taking money from them and just just destroying people using their lawyers. It's crazy to me. Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 13:49

So crazy.

SPEAKER_03 13:50

So that gets us to the thing we want to talk to today.

SPEAKER_01 13:54

So Which is really, really important to talk about.

The Freewinds Case And Plaintiffs

SPEAKER_03 13:57

Tony Ortega posted a ton of documents on this on his website, and there's a link in the video description.

SPEAKER_01 14:03

Um but there's there's a and by the way, sorry, before we get into it, I will say that now I've gotten a ton more downloaded directly from the court document sites uh additional material that even even more than what Tony um downloaded. So I'll be going through that in case there's other things that we need to cover about this.

SPEAKER_03 14:26

Yeah. Um and then so the case that this is is it's a case with there's two former Sea Org, three former Sea Org members that used to be in the Sea Org, and it was specifically at the Free Winds, the cruise ship that they have in that sails between Bonaire, Curacao, and Aruba as its main ports of call, if you will.

SPEAKER_00 14:50

Yep. Free winds.

SPEAKER_03 14:51

The free winds, Scientology cruise ship. If you ever see this cruise ship up against any other cruise ship that you've ever seen, it looks like a tugboat. It looks there I've seen bigger tugboats.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

And in reality, it would be better named prison winds, not free winds.

SPEAKER_03 15:08

Well, regardless, it's it's not a big ship. I think it it can hold like 300 crew and maybe like 150 uh. Yeah, like 400 total, I think. And like 250, 300 passengers.

SPEAKER_01 15:21

I know I want to say it was like 420 or something.

SPEAKER_03 15:24

I know that when we went there to do events, we did uh Scientology events when when I was in the Sea Org. Um in the 90s, we were doing events there. Every June, they'd have this thing called the maiden Maiden Voyage Anniversary. So the first you get you get it. Anyway, um we would sleep, like crew members that worked on the boat, we would be up all night building sets, and we'd get into we had the rooms that we had were people's rooms that weren't there during the day sleeping.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

Like staff of the ship.

SPEAKER_03 15:58

Like staff. And I remembered, I'm like, I'm not getting into another man's warmth. That's that's that's insanity to me. So it just I'm if if I'm not like in freezing conditions and gonna die, I ain't doing that. So we would just sleep under like an equipment inside of an equipment case or behind an equipment case in the backstage area for just get a catnap for a few hours and I'll be good on going and jumping into another dude's bed that was sweating and sleeping in there all night. Oh boy, not my cup of tea. Anyway, so that's where they worked. They worked at this place.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

Yep. And and and by the way, too, so it's Veleska Paris, Gawain, and Laura Baxter. And Veleska, I have known since she was six years old. She and I were both in the cadet organization in the UK um together. And I mean, I remember that like it was yesterday. She arrived and did not speak a word of English. Um anyway. And then Gawain, I think.

SPEAKER_03 17:06

What language did she speak? French.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

Okay. Yeah. Um and Gawain, I think, was also either born into the sea organization or got in at a very young age. And I'm not sure about his wife Laura, but I know she got into the sea organization also in in her in her teenage years, I believe. So, in other words, all second gen, basically, for all intents and purposes.

SPEAKER_03 17:29

And again, we we the this is this is a very key thing because this is a this is a common thing within Scientology. If you talk to some of these people that are speaking out now, I'd say at least half got into Scientology when they were pretty young. Yep. A teenager or even earlier in most cases.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

Well before they had the agency and maturity to consent to joining a cult. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 17:55

And also signing a billion-year contract is probably not something somebody thirteen or fourteen should be entertaining.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

To be fair, no human being should engage into a billion-year contract, considering who knows what comes next. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 18:08

But it's a little outrageous that you expect some kids to sign up and it's like, yeah, they signed a contract. More than a little. We've got this signature on the contract.

SPEAKER_02 18:17

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 18:18

Anyway, so that's what this is. This is their their case was went to court, went to the went into the court system.

SPEAKER_01 18:25

Yep. And then Scientology argued that Oh, and sorry, because all of them were on the free wins as minors with no passports, uh, I believe.

SPEAKER_03 18:36

Well, they held their passports.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

Yeah, they held their passports and they were not they were incarcerated for all intents and purposes.

SPEAKER_03 18:44

Yeah. So they're saying you did this. Yeah. And Scientology is saying, hey, listen, you signed a bunch of documents that said you wouldn't sue us, and the way this and you in those documents it says you agree to arbitration. And so Scientology argues to the court, hey, listen, this is internal doctrine disputes. These were members, and this is this is between us and them. The courts shouldn't be getting involved in this at all. And we have procedures for arbitration. Now there is no scientist we covered, we've covered this in videos that we did with Mike Rinder years ago regarding this arbitration. The word arbitration does not appear in any single document, recording, anything that Hubbard ever wrote. There's no such thing as arbitration in Scientology. It does not exist.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

In this context. Not in this context.

SPEAKER_03 19:39

It doesn't exist. It does not exist. There's no procedures, there's no there's no policy letter regarding it, there's no when you do it, when you're not going to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_01 19:50

There is a definition of it that we're gonna show, but it's strictly for civil um disputes that has to do with personal, like you know, if a business owner in Scientology has a dispute with an employee, for example.

SPEAKER_04 20:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

And it's in in Scientology Policy, it explicitly says it's not for legal or ethics matters, which again we're gonna cover. So it's not a thing. And also the point is, too, that this is something Scientology has created starting in, I want to say 2015, 16, I I don't remember the exact year, but it was in the Garcia lawsuit that this became a thing. And in all the lawsuits prior to that, including ours, there was never any thought, discussion, or mention of arbitration because it was not a thing.

Ethics Interrogatories And Committees Of Evidence

SPEAKER_03 20:42

Yeah. Okay. So what they did do was they essentially said we have all these ethics and justice procedures that we have internally in Scientology and we're gonna and that's what we're gonna do.

SPEAKER_00 20:57

Right.

SPEAKER_03 20:58

That thing these are already in place, there's already doctrine covering them. And so and and anybody who's been in Scientology or inside C org or an employee, what they call a staff member in one of their organizations, if you get what's called, there's there's the there's a bunch of different steps, but there's basically like an ethics interrogatory, um, there's a court of ethics, and then there's another one, the highest justice action they have is called a committee of evidence. All three of these, if you're the accused, you're guilty, and all we need to do is round up a bunch of people that want to talk shit about you and let them say what they want to say, and we're all gonna decide that you're guilty. I've never seen a committee of evidence where the person was not guilty. Like where it was like like it was like, oh no, this guy didn't do anything. It's never in the history of Anyone that I've ever read, it's always they the charge, like they have these Scientology crimes and misdemeanors and high crimes, and it says charge, no full knowingly uh d destroying Scientology or attempting to alter scientists, whatever it is. And then they said it says recommendation, guilty.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

Yeah. Well, well, also too. So when you get a committee of evidence, you have all the crimes and the heart crimes, the charges, and you you then have to go in front of the committee, which is allegedly supposed to be a board of your peers.

SPEAKER_03 22:37

Yeah, but it's also always the people that are the the yes men and the butt kissers that are always they're usually officers in the C org, if you do it in the C org, or they're executives in your organization.

SPEAKER_01 22:52

And then usually anyone who particularly has a P. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:58

Wouldn't it always be the person you're like, oh this is my this is the one guy who wants to be dead more than anybody? Yes. He's a member. No, so they have a chairman, a secretary, and then two or three members usually. Isn't that what it how it goes? Chairman, secretary.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

Yeah, so chairman, secretary, and then three to seven three to seven members, depending on how many because you can have a committee of evidence for an individual person, or you can have a committee of evidence for multiple people. Yeah. Um and you're expected, so when you're under a committee of evidence, you're expected to go in front of that panel and give them your pleas.

SPEAKER_03 23:38

Yes. Like they say, they say count one, you know, knowingly not applying Scientology technology.

SPEAKER_01 23:49

It's the no no no no, but listen, if you go in as a person under a committee of evidence and say, not guilty, not guilty, not guilty, not guilty, not guilty, not guilty, not guilty.

SPEAKER_03 24:00

Right here, right here, every time, every time.

SPEAKER_01 24:03

They're like, this person is being no best, there's no remorse, they've made no ethics change, and they're a piece of shit. Yeah, that's my language.

SPEAKER_03 24:12

That's 100% me. I'd be like, this is bullshit. These are trumped up charges.

SPEAKER_01 24:18

I'm just doing jobs, I'm making the then in the findings and recommendations, it will be like Billy Bob pled not guilty. We found him guilty.

SPEAKER_03 24:28

Yeah. Anyway, my point is my point is is that all of even they start with an interrogatory. That's the first kind of um hint. Hey, we're we're coming up. We're coming up there.

SPEAKER_04 24:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:43

Be ready. And they basically solicit anyone in anywhere in the organization. So if you worked in Golden Era Productions, they send an interrogatory about you specifically to 350 people, and then they list out everything.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

As an invitation to shit on the person.

SPEAKER_03 25:02

It's basically they want to list out every possible thing that you could have done that they suspect you of doing, and they just ask everybody on the property to give us your input. If you, if this, you know how you wanted to light this guy up, this is your chance. And then those become the evidence for the charges. So if you if somebody says you did it, you did it. That's how it works. And you didn't you they have a report, a knowledge report saying you did the thing that they suspect you of doing. So, but the ethics interrogatory is the first step. So they get all the dirt right off the bat.

SPEAKER_00 25:42

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 25:42

And then if you don't kind of toe the line or do whatever they want you to do, then it's a court of ethics, is the first one. And that that's just one person is it gonna tell you the what time it is and what's the deal. And if you're like, I don't think that's what time it is, and that ain't the deal, then they assign you pennant uh things that you have to do to make amends, or you have to do condition of liability or confusion, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 26:08

I never actually had a court of ethics, I only ever got it all.

SPEAKER_03 26:12

Committees of evidence.

SPEAKER_01 26:13

I had committees of evidence, plenty.

SPEAKER_03 26:16

Oh, I see. You didn't have the court, but you had the comments.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

No, it went straight to comments. That's what I was saying. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 26:22

So then the first committee of evidence I ever got was ordered directly by David Miscavige.

SPEAKER_03 26:28

Ooh, look at you. Yeah, I was like, I think every comment I got was ordered by David Miscavige. Okay. Uh so what I'm trying to tell you is those three things that they do, they've sort of co-opted all three of those things and made them in to this arbitration.

SPEAKER_01 26:50

Yes. And we're gonna show you how exactly this is complete bogus creation, even by the words in Scientology's own policies and books. We're gonna break it down exactly.

SPEAKER_03 27:04

Yeah. So the the craziness is that the way they're doing it, it's like the k internal kangaroo court that they have on steroids. And then there's also this aspect of what we were talking about in the deposition. So they basically round up anything anybody ever said bad about you in Scientology, and then they have reports from all those people. And in the case of this arbitration, they brought those people there to the meeting to talk directly to these people.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

Yeah, more than 30 people.

SPEAKER_03 27:43

Yeah. So this is this is wildly insane that they did it.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

It just blows me away, honestly, that uh a court and a judge and anyone who would research and look into this would be like, oh yeah, that's a good idea. Like these people were abused as minors. Let's send them back to their abuser.

SPEAKER_03 28:06

Yeah, it's craziness.

SPEAKER_01 28:07

Absolute insanity.

SPEAKER_03 28:09

And not only did they, and also I do want to say the gal within Scientology that was running this whole thing is a woman by the name of Catherine Frasier. If you don't know who that is, she's the one that ambushed me on the side of the highway when I went there with the Danish film crew, and she's also was made for.

SPEAKER_01 28:27

I'll add the link to that because that is some cra if you haven't seen that, that is some you want to see how crazy Scientology gets?

SPEAKER_03 28:35

And also this is her in real life, not in uh this setting. This is her in real life. She's also in the film that Louis Thoreau did called My Scientology Movie. Yeah. And it's actually she comes off as a clown in that, but she also And this is Jeff Hawkins' ex-wife. Yes, and you get a kind of sense of how she is in real life if you watch those two videos. So to have her, you know, after 20 Mountain Dews go into town in this arbitration, I mean, it's wild that how basically how evil uh she comes off in the transcripts and the things that she's saying and doing. Okay. The other thing, and we'll cover this in some of the documents. These guys were not allowed to bring their attorneys with them. Right. They weren't allowed to record in on with writing or take notes or um in any kind of recording or transcription thing. Um and they also weren't allowed to like bring up any testimony of their own. Right. They basically were just being grilled and accused of things and just had to sit there and listen to all these people talk shit.

SPEAKER_01 29:48

They were 100% being triggered and re-traumatized intentionally with no no one advocating for them, no representation, no support. I mean, they were quite literally sent back to their abusers so their abusers could do whatever the heck they wanted with them. I mean, it's it's absolute insanity that a court, any court or judge would say, Oh, yeah, this is a good idea. It's it's absolutely bonkers to me. And and again, we'll cover some of the details that came out.

SPEAKER_03 30:24

Well, let's do it right now because we keep saying we're gonna do it. So um is it over? Now, this is the this is the reason that I really wanted to talk about this is because I think Scientology just torpedoed their golden goose.

SPEAKER_01 30:42

Which is always what they do, by the way. It's just a matter of when.

SPEAKER_03 30:45

Yeah, they could have played it cool and just pretended to do it.

SPEAKER_01 30:51

They could have even fabricated a set of rules like, okay, here's the guidelines for this. Anything, but they but they didn't they didn't even attempt to play nice or to placate the court, or they basically Which by the way is what tells me that this is being run directly and specifically by David Miscavige through Kathy Fraser. Not a doubt in my mind for one second.

SPEAKER_03 31:17

Yeah. Okay, let's do this.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

Okay. So this is the declaration of Dennis R. Nolan, which Dennis R. Nolan, as as we'll you'll see, is an expert witness that was brought in by um Veleska and the Baxter's attorneys as an expert on arbitration. My name is Professor Dennis R. Nolan. I offer this declaration in the case of Gwen Baxter et al. v. David Miscavige et al. Now pending in the United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida.

SPEAKER_03 31:48

I don't think we need to read all this. You can go to the documents on the point being you'll see.

SPEAKER_01 31:53

You'll see, and we'll cover, go to the next slide. I have been involved with labor and employment law since my graduation from law school 56 years ago. For almost all of that time, my focus has been on the arbitration and mediation of employment disputes, which this is. My resume is attached, but here are the main elements r relevant to this case. Again, the point being This guy knows this guy has yeah, he knows all of his things.

SPEAKER_03 32:19

Don't read all of it.

SPEAKER_01 32:20

Okay. Um to do that, however, practitioners, scholars, and judges misguard against systems that use the term quote arbitration, unquote, to disguise one-sided sham systems. Um and then I have emphasis emphasized the importance of ensuring that arbitration provides a fair and ethical alternative to litigation.

SPEAKER_03 32:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:42

Again.

SPEAKER_03 32:42

And then he also does say in there he is being compensated to give his opinion on this.

Inside The Arbitration “Hearing” Tactics

SPEAKER_01 32:47

Yep. And then I um so I've never encountered a system less worthy of the title of arbitration. It possesses none of the elements of a classic arbitration and does not provide for basic guarantees of fairness. It lacks any apparent rules. It does not provide a fair procedure or a neutral decision maker. Its own panel clearly stated it would not consider or apply federal or state law. There is simply no way that system could provide an adequate alternative forum to resolve plaintiffs' legal claims.

SPEAKER_03 33:30

Okay. So now here is this is where I think Scientology boofed this because if they would have played it cool and they would have had something that was even though it was all fake and make-believe and not in reality what they would do.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 33:46

And this and they would have had somebody say, yeah, i I mean, yeah, they they had their they they disagree. You know, it's a he said, she said sort of thing. And uh I don't know how the w which way they should go. You know. But if they had a neutral decision maker, then even that alone would be like, okay, perfect. This is how we're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_00 34:05

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 34:07

Because they went so crazy over the top on this thing, it's now everybody's gonna see. Because we we've been saying this the whole time. This is exactly what they're doing.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

And this has been going on, by the way, since 2022, I believe, in their lawsuit.

SPEAKER_03 34:23

Yes, in this lawsuit. It came up on the Garcia lawsuit almost, you know, more than 10 years ago at this point. Exactly. So but there was never the the because uh the people that I want to say because of the people that were suing, bringing these lawsuits against Scientology, since they knew there was no such thing as arbitration, they assumed this is what it would be. And in so everybody who did it was like, yeah, it's it was a it's a total joke. They didn't we we they wouldn't let us record it, they wouldn't let us do this, they wouldn't um anyway. We have our own direct uh involvement in that from when we knew those people. We basically knew these people that were speaking out. And um and we were like, this ain't no it ain't no picnic going into doing a lawsuit with these guys. It's gonna they really know how to work the system in their favor. And if you just have your I mean there's not that there's not a long list of lawyers and attorney firms that are gonna sue Scientology. So when you get a guy who's gonna, it's not like you got like, uh we let's let's look through the list again. No, you got you got that guy. It's called Slim Pickings. Yeah, you got that guy. That's your guy. Yeah. There ain't no other guys. He can't even get his other lawyer to the phone.

SPEAKER_01 35:43

And we were so naive going into that lawsuit. We had no idea what we were up against.

SPEAKER_03 35:49

Anyway, let's you know, let's keep going on here.

SPEAKER_01 35:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 35:52

So now this is another expert that they brought in who was a licensed psychologist.

SPEAKER_01 35:57

Yeah, so this is actually the only ex the only person other than the plaintiffs that were allowed. That that appeared before this panel. Okay. Okay. Because the Dennis Nolan person studied all the documents, but he didn't actually attend in person.

SPEAKER_03 36:13

She attended and she was part of the process.

SPEAKER_01 36:16

Um I'm a licensed psychologist and was retained as an expert in this matter. I submit this declaration based on my personal knowledge and observations. I appeared at a Scientology arbitration proceeding. So there you go. She she actually attended. There can be no arbitration as the law knows it, without a neutral decision maker. A system lacking a neutral decision maker is clearly not an alternative forum to a court. As such, a system obviously could not provide effective vindication of statutory rights. Plaintiff's experience using the Scientology system clearly shows that the supposed arbitration panel was not neutral. And then later, the panel would not permit some questions and require that all others be rephrased by the by the panel chair, Kathy Fraser.

SPEAKER_03 37:10

Also, Kathy's not uh she has no degree in in the only expertise is carrying out David Miscavige's orders.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

She has been his No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 37:21

She is a flap handler. She that is her job is she when she was in Golden Air, at least when we were there, she was the port captain for Golden Air Productions. And that's the person that is supposed to ensure that nobody in the port that the Sea Org is in is mad with the C org. And if they are, she's gotta sort it out. Getting sued is definitely in that zone of things that need to be handled.

SPEAKER_01 37:51

And actually, ironically, before she came to the imp base, she was at the free winch.

SPEAKER_03 37:57

She was posting. That was when she was Kathy D. Simone, right?

SPEAKER_01 38:00

Mm-hmm. Yep. And her son, Corinne D. Simone, was one of the people that came to testify.

SPEAKER_03 38:07

Against them.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:09

Wowzers.

SPEAKER_01 38:10

Yeah. Okay, so the panel would not permit some questions and require. Okay, so we covered that. That was Kathy. She's referencing Kathy. Worse, the panel chair berated plaintiffs and undercut their claims.

SPEAKER_03 38:24

Yeah. Because that's what her job is to do.

SPEAKER_01 38:28

Yeah, exactly. The process felt biased, unprofessional, and clinically, I observed that it humiliated and intimidated the claimants who had to scramble to process the photos. Okay, so the photos is in reference to this being shown 800 photos in quick succession of a past many claimants allege as linked to abuse and not being allowed to explain, process, or access the photos were unhelpful to their mental distress. So basically, they collected 800 photos of their entire life. Like, oh look, you're smiling. Like, of course, you're small.

SPEAKER_03 39:03

This is a common thing.

SPEAKER_01 39:04

This is so common. I mean, they they have this on our on our hate sites like, look, she's smiling. Or even even in my deposition, if you search uh cadet organization Scientology, you'll see the famous photo of the cadet organization with me in the front row in the UK. Yeah. And Mark Marmorough showed me that photo and he said, Did you have a happy childhood? And I was like, no.

SPEAKER_03 39:31

So here's the best part. When you're working 20 hours a day and you're sleeping under your desk and you're going to the RPF, the rehabilitation project force, Scientology's little rehab camp, reprogramming camp for you, there ain't no one around taking pictures. But if you're at a Sea Org day that happens maybe once a year, if you're lucky and everybody gets half the day off to run around and play team sports like tuga-war and ping pong, oh, they're gonna have some pictures of you playing that ping pong or doing that tug-of-war. In my case, I don't do tug-of-war. That's just seems a little wildly dangerous to me.

SPEAKER_01 40:11

And there were people who broke bones.

SPEAKER_03 40:18

Anyway, not doing that. But I was up for a game of ping pong one time, the entire time I was there, and they got a picture of me blowing.

SPEAKER_01 40:29

And the one time that they brought in jet skis.

SPEAKER_03 40:32

Yeah, and I was the only person there who had long experience with jet skis and had had jet skis when I lived with my friend Jesse. So I knew how they ran and I knew you know how to work them and gas them up and all that stuff. And so I was chosen to be the jet ski I see, and we had a tiny little lake. The one we would get thrown in if we went overboard for being a bad boy. We get thrown in this mucky lake. They put some jet skis in there. Yeah. And of course, it was so tiny, somebody crashed into the side of the lake and the jet ski was destroyed.

SPEAKER_01 41:05

The 17-year-old that had never operated a jet ski before.

SPEAKER_03 41:08

They tried to bill me for it, but I had a$80 in to my name. So the I think the then port captain at the time told them, hey, come on, take it easy. And they did something. They paid extra the somebody from Scientology paid and I didn't have to pay.

SPEAKER_01 41:24

But regardless of it, I mean it wasn't your fault. Just because you were in charge of the I w that's true.

SPEAKER_03 41:32

One year I did the jet skis and they got pictures of me running running the peak like helping people get on jet skis in the water.

SPEAKER_00 41:39

Right.

SPEAKER_03 41:39

And then the when I played ping pong one time, they got me a picture of me playing ping pong. And because I played ping pong, and because I w helped other people get on jet skis all day long, that was everything else didn't happen.

SPEAKER_00 41:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:55

Anyway, it's crazy. So we did they didn't really, in the in the overall scheme of things, they didn't really have that many pictures of us. Maybe 20 or 30 that I remember. Right?

SPEAKER_01 42:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:06

Of us.

SPEAKER_01 42:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:08

They showed these guys 800 pictures.

SPEAKER_01 42:10

800 pictures.

SPEAKER_03 42:11

That's insanity.

SPEAKER_01 42:12

It is.

SPEAKER_03 42:12

That's crazy time.

SPEAKER_01 42:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:14

They have 800 pictures of these people doing stuff.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

I know. And it's like okay, who anyway. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 42:22

You know, somebody had to go through all the negatives of all of the pictures ever shot on the free wins. Right. And find them. Just like they did with us. Some of those pictures I'd never seen. I didn't even know somebody took the picture. I know. When I saw them, when I saw the picture, it was the first time I had seen that there was a picture of me. Anyway, crazy stuff, guys. Okay, so sh this the this woman is basically saying the exact same thing the other guy said. There's no neutral decision maker. And you guys are basically lighting these guys up and laying into them. And and they're not allowed to do, say anything or question or do anything. They just got to sit there and take it.

SPEAKER_01 42:59

Yep. And again, this is a huge part of why we're talking about this today. This is also from the psychologist. Similarly, the panel chair, Kathy Fraser, also asked me about the Hetley case and asked me to read portions, portions of a legal opinion during the proceeding. Considerable time was spent on this. I was then questioned on it and was demanded to agree publicly that the opinion was favorable to Scientology. We'll get to this.

SPEAKER_03 43:29

Crazy time.

SPEAKER_01 43:32

Okay, so this is from the this is an excerpt from the uh final ruling in our case. And I guarantee this is not the section the psychologist was asked to read. Likewise, we do not decide how the Headleys might have fared under a different statute or on other legal theories. The Headlees abandoned claims under federal and state minimum wage laws, and although The headlees marshaled evidence of potentially tortious conduct. They did not bring claims for assault, battery, false imprisonment, intentional infliction of emotional distress, or any of a number of other theories that might have better fit the evidence.

SPEAKER_03 44:17

Thanks, lawyers.

SPEAKER_01 44:18

Yeah. So there you go. You know, anyway. But Scientology is trying to basically pick out pieces to say, oh, you shouldn't be doing this because the Headleys lost, and we're like, hell no. Anyway. Why are you reading? Oh, this is a totally separate thing. Yeah. So this this is um then subsequent to that ruling that we just read, Scientology tried to silence us. And the this is the letter that they sent, um in which they were so we uh Scientology was awarded fees of forty-three thousand dollars that we were ordered to pay.

SPEAKER_03 45:01

Um that's these depositions that we're talking about. Firing fees, that's where we're circling back around.

SPEAKER_01 45:07

And um Scientology specifically stated to our lawyers that they were going to aggressively pursue collection unless we paid in full. Um our attorneys approached them to say, hey, our our um our clients will agree to never speak, you know, not pursue any further legal action, and Scientology came back with this. They said that they would waive the bill if we agreed to full and permanent disengagement between themselves on one hand and Scientology and Religious Technology Center on the other hand. This would include no further anti-Scientology activity under any circumstance at any time, including media or internet postings disparaging Scientology, aka speaking the truth of the abuses we experienced, or Scientologists. The Headlees will turn over to Scientology and Religious Technology Center all rights to the Blown for Good book. The Headleys agree to discuss with Scientology and RTC all of their contacts, aka No, it says with Marty Rathman. Yeah, no, no, I'm saying rat out uh with Marty Rathman and any others involved in uh disparaging Scientology and RTC, including any media contacts. So basically, we're we we were expected to turn over and uh spy on any former Scientologists we'd ever talked to. And turn over all the info about media contacts, exactly. Um anyway, needless to say, it was no.

SPEAKER_03 46:38

Well, no, there's more.

SPEAKER_01 46:40

Um the headlees agree to discuss with CSI and RTC all of their contacts with Marty Rathbin and any other oh, media contacts. Please let me know if your clients are agreeable to the above and we can prepare appropriate documentation.

SPEAKER_03 46:52

Anyway, I said screw you. Yes, we both and we basically scraped up 43k and shot it their way.

When Scientology Comes After Legal Fees

SPEAKER_01 46:59

Yeah. Um and then this is just the part where this is just a summary from Wikipedia about the lawsuit. Um the court suggested that other claims might have withstood a pellet review, had the Headleys brought them, such as assault battery or any of a number of other theories. And the point being, you know, again, it's it's always going to be um like Mark said, there's not a long line of attorneys willing to stand up against Scientology. So this is the definition of arbitration from the admin dictionary in Scientology, a procedure for settling a dispute, which is historically purely business related, whereby the disputing parties agree on an impartial third party called an arbitrator who decides on the matter after a thorough examination of the issues presented by the disputing parties. The decision of the arbitrator is final and binding on the disputing party. So, in other words, even if you're going to say that this definition applies to this kangaroo court that they've created, it specifically, by their words, requires an impartial third party, which this panel is not.

SPEAKER_03 48:11

Exactly. And this really is for what they call WISE, the World Enterprise Institute of Scientology Enterprises. And any company that a Scientologist owns or runs is encouraged heavily to become a member of WISE. And what happens is if Scientology gets one of those people, like it's the CFO or he's the Treasury guy, and he takes$100,000 from the company and gives it to Scientology, they aren't allowed to go to law enforcement because they have entered into an arbitration agreement with the World Institute of Scientology Enterprises. And they're not allowed to go to law.

SPEAKER_01 48:56

And we've heard so many stories of even those people going arbitrations going sideways to where it's like, oh it's the same thing. They were agreed to pay money to this to ex-business owner. But of course, if they're giving that money instead to Scientology, Scientology is not going to do anything about it. It's a complete joke.

SPEAKER_03 49:16

Anyway, it's the same sort of kangaroo court, but for Scientology members that are business owners. It's basically another way to get money and have hey no no no no, you can't do anything because you're a wise member, and because you're a wise member, you agree to arbitration if there was any disputes.

SPEAKER_01 49:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 49:35

So Okay, and this is just other examples, but again, it's specifically strictly supposed to be applied to civil matters, not legal, you know, state and federal law violations.

SPEAKER_03 49:50

Yeah. Anyway, it's it's basically like if Oh, and also, too, look at this.

SPEAKER_01 49:56

The reason I included this, according to this, professional attorneys may appear before it. Yeah. Well, then why were they denied to appear in anyway? Again, it's just it's just an example of what a joke it is, even by Scientology's own words.

SPEAKER_03 50:11

But in ch in Chaplain's court, if that a lot of that was if there was a person who was a Scientologist, a lot of times if somebody doesn't have money to do Scientology courses and they're trying to get like$50,000 out of this person to do OT levels or some courses or get auditing or whatever, they'll ask that person, hey, do you mind if we ask this guy? He's got tons of dough. If we ask this guy to lend you$50,000.

SPEAKER_01 50:41

That's what happened with my stepdad.

SPEAKER_03 50:42

Yeah. So then they tell, and now this other guy who's got a lot of money, he's in a little bit of trouble because he's one of the reasons he's got a lot of money is he's doing some kind of shady things. And he's in trouble with Scientology. And he's basically trying to get in their good graces, and they say, Listen, we're gonna let this whole thing go, but we have this guy who wants to get onto his OT levels and he needs$50,000. If you're willing to loan him the$50K, then aren't we good. This whole thing's you're good. You're back in the goods again. And so then that guy le gives that guy the$50K, and that dude has no$50K to pay back to that dude.

SPEAKER_01 51:19

And nor did that dude have$50K in the first place.

SPEAKER_03 51:22

That's right. That guy also was shady, and he was making out like a guy.

SPEAKER_01 51:26

At least in the case with my stepdad, shady guy number one just put it on his credit cards, and then stepdad was just paying interest on an American Express charge for 40,000 pounds. You know, it's just insanity.

SPEAKER_03 51:40

Anyway, it's it's basically the same thing, but they what they do to their Scientology members that are also business members or rich, wealthy Scientologists that have a that either have a lot of money or make out the And you remind me too.

SPEAKER_01 51:57

A lot of times this would be like, oh, you're in a lower condition, but hey, if you loan Billy Bob$30,000, that can be your immense. That can be how you can get back in good state. Totally. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:09

The reason we know this, a lot of this, is because we I went to a Scientology school, and guess whose kids were at the Scientology school? Ken Moxon's kids were at that school, and he was a big Scientology attorney, and there were lots of parents of kids that went to this school that were fairly wealthy and Craig Jensen. Yeah, Craig Jensen. A lot of these guys, and so when nonsense would be be happening between companies or the parents, or there'd be disgruntled Scientologists and their disgruntled Scientology kids. Yep. And so we'd hear about all kinds of this stuff, and all roads lead to Scientology in terms of who's making out at the end of this thing. It ain't the people trying to arbitrate their problems. They if that person owed you 100K and they gave it to Scientology, that 100K went to the best place it could have gone, according to Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 53:04

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 53:05

Okay. This is just another thing for the uh chaplain's court.

SPEAKER_00 53:09

Yep.

Policy Definitions And WISE Arbitration

SPEAKER_03 53:10

And then yeah, it's on Tony's thing. We really want to make sure that uh, you know, we credit Tony Ortega because Tony Ortega's been reporting on Scientology for as long as we've been talking about it and and well before. But he but he also covers he's probably covered this case since the day it was filed. And so you can see every step of the way how this thing's gone. And and also there's other cases that he reports on there as well. It's not just this one.

SPEAKER_01 53:44

So and by the way, we should mention that um at least so now there is a pending motion to reverse this whole arbitration kangaroo court. But the judge ruled that these documents had to be made public. Scientology was trying to keep them 100%. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:04

So so that's why, you know, well that that's why I think I think, as always, they've got they've got to get some steel-toe boots over there in Scientology because they'd be shooting themselves in the foot every goddamn tr chance they get. So they really went overboard on this. They didn't. And it's pr I mean if the co if the court system is at all fair because Scientology is gonna argue, hey, hey, hey, this but this is our doctrine. You can't I they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna le uh string this out for as long as humanly possible and try to wear everybody on the opposing side down, and that's their thing. It this is in all these OSA documents that we've gone over. They're not trying to win a case, they're trying to destroy the other person utterly through the case. That's they're they're basically given legal authority to now just jack you over as much as possible so that you'll go away and you'll tell everybody else that it was a a shit show and that it was horrible. And oh my god, that's what they want. They want you to know that they have millions and millions of dollars at their disposal. They don't care if what happens, they want you, they want to wear you down and make you abandon the case.

SPEAKER_01 55:29

Yeah, and in this case, Veleska, Laura, and Gawain live in Australia. They were not allowed to peer appear remotely, they were required to travel all the way to Florida and spend 15 days getting re-traumatized, reabused, and everything else. Along with, I mean, the Baxka Baxters have four children. Their youngest is less than six months old. They had to come suffer through all of this with a newborn baby. I mean, it's insanity.

SPEAKER_03 56:00

Anyway, I hope that this basically torpedoes. That's my wish that this really torpedoes this, and hopefully the lawyers in this case for these guys can argue this well enough with enough information that it's clear that this is all bullshit. Which it's always been. We all we've been talking about this freaking.

SPEAKER_01 56:26

We've been talking about this since the moment this started, that this was bogus.

SPEAKER_03 56:30

But there was never any documentation or full information like this that was provided, and they didn't have these experts come in. They didn't none of that happened on any of these other ones. This is the first time that somebody figured out, well, let's do it this way, and then that way we can show what how this thing goes down.

SPEAKER_00 56:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:48

So hopefully, you know, hopefully that does it. So I think that was it, right?

SPEAKER_01 56:53

Yeah. So we'll do some questions and we have a giveaway for today. Thank you very much to Dr. X. And April 10th, yeah, was Mike Render's birthday. Yeah. So in honor of Mike Rinder, um, we have some giveaways for the next few weeks of Leah Bobbleheads, Mike Bobbleheads.

SPEAKER_03 57:11

Yeah, and and Claire wants to do this make it fair for everybody.

SPEAKER_01 57:15

Yes, I'm all for that.

SPEAKER_03 57:17

So she wants to do, we're gonna do a giveaway that's based on the StreamYard giveaway tool that just captures any comments during the video, and you anything you've commented, you automatically get entered into win. Okay. Now, separately from that, Claire is saying for all of you people that are listening or watching on the replay, yep, and you're listening to this, you can go on to the video on YouTube and you can make a comment there, and you will be uh you'll be picked and we'll announce that person in the next week's or the next episode that we do live.

SPEAKER_00 57:54

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 57:55

And then you'll you'll be might have even already gotten your thing by that time if you email Claire.

SPEAKER_01 58:01

I I I just randomly pick a comment on the video afterwards and say, But you have to do it after after like a a week.

SPEAKER_03 58:09

Yeah. So then we can do it right then after we pick it.

SPEAKER_01 58:12

Okay, very good.

SPEAKER_03 58:12

So it gives people some time.

SPEAKER_02 58:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 58:14

So with in a week within this video, comment. You can say whatever.

SPEAKER_01 58:20

Yes. For either a Leah bobblehead or a Mike Bobblehead.

SPEAKER_03 58:23

Yeah. More points if you put Xenu and the Homeboys and work it into there somehow. Just to just for the algorithm. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 58:30

We do enjoy comments, so have fun with it.

Giveaway Rules And Replay Entries

SPEAKER_03 58:33

We want to get Xenu and my Xenu and the Homeboys trending. You can also get a bet uh one of these very cool desk. Look, it's perfectly lined up with a camera. Um Zenu and the Body Thetans, desk band. Um also, I don't know if you guys saw this here. I wasn't gonna say anything unless you guys said anything, but we got our hands on one of these little puppies. Now, children in Scientology made this, and we're gonna open it up. And unsurprisingly, it will look like children made this on the inside. So let me know in the comments if you want me to do a video on this e-meter, and uh, and we might get around to doing that. I gotta figure out how. I might have to have a camera up here so you guys can see me. It will be like an unboxing video. Scientology unboxing the e-meter.

SPEAKER_01 59:23

Umboxing. Oh my gosh. Anyway, you know, it's like behind the curtain at at Oz.

SPEAKER_03 59:31

Oh, yeah. This is some serious wizardly shit going on inside this thing. Seriously. Telling you, when we open this thing up, you're gonna be surprised that they're charging five thousand dollars for these. This is an old one, but they still charge five G's for them. The new ones are even cheaper than this one. They're all made overseas in the in a factory somewhere, and they're just stamping them out.

SPEAKER_02 59:54

There you go.

SPEAKER_03 59:55

Anyway, so the out went the window of having to have Sea Org members make these so they could be technically accurate. That went right out the tour.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:02

Technically accurate by somebody who's never operated a you know, welding on all any of those things.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:09

This is 400, maybe$500 worth of parts that Golden Era spent to make this, and they charge$5,000 for them. Okay. The new ones that they have that look like an easy bake oven, don't try to cook brownies in this thing. Um the that has$40 worth of parts. It's cost four zero dollars, and they couldn't lower the price because then that would make the new one seem cheaper.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:39

Yeah, which would be a D-grade.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:41

So they're still charging$5,000 for something that has that cost Scientology$40 to make. So if they really wanted to get these things out there and they wanted to kind of apply their own philosoph philosophy of what let's get as many people into Scientology as we can, they'd be a hundred bucks.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:58

Yeah, or even open source Well, they already have it.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:02

There's already people on the e-meter. If you guys really want to go down a rabbit hole, somebody made one of these things, you just plug in a USB thing to your uh computer and you can do auditing on your computer. It hasn't it's like an it's literally an e-meter.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:18

Anyway, so funny.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:19

Okay, we're gonna do this giveaway. All right, enough yapping.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:22

And then we'll do some comments.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:24

Uh, comments. Yeah. Oh, look at that.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:26

All right.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:27

Okay, let's see. Can we do this? We haven't done this in a long time.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:30

I know.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:32

I was vamping for a little bit so you guys could get in there and do the comments. We're about to do this.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:36

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:37

Okay, here we go. We're gonna do the draw. You guys are seeing this, right? Oh, you don't see my mouse, but I'm hitting the button. Hey, just just go there.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:46

There you go.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:47

There we go.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:48

This is my favorite part.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:49

Yeah, when you win.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:50

I like it when it slows down at the end.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:53

Oh, Tracy, you almost got it. Silvo sings.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:58

Nice. Congratulations. Send me an email, Claire at blownforgood.com. We will get you taken care of.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:08

Okay. Um, you know, we haven't done this in a while. You you we should do questions?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:14

Yeah?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:15

Okay. I don't know. I don't know how this thing works. I just work here. I just show that. You just work here. You you tell me we're doing come down here and I'm like, what are we doing? Oh, there's some slides. Okay. Um, oh, here we go.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:29

Okay. Yes, do a video on the innards from the e-meter. Yeah. There you go. Okay. I knew it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:35

It's got to get more than one person. And you really, we gotta hear. I gotta it's gotta be overwhelming. That's what you can comment if you're watching the replay. Just say, yes, I want an I want an e-meter. You can the more people that say that, that's your comment, and then you get innered in to win.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:52

Yeah. Hi from West Virginia.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:54

Oh, yeah, we got people coming from all over.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:56

Anita, hi from the Netherlands. Thank you for being here at Love Food Kitchen. Looking forward to more from the Cracker Liquor and the Ginch.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:03

I'm telling you, we have fully tested out this cracker theory. I can't eat crackers.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:08

No, you can't.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:09

I've I've never been a big cracker guy, and especially not now. And that well, yeah. I'd be lying if I didn't tell you we got like at least a hundred boxes of crackers in here.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:22

We did.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:23

We had we had every from all all over the world. We had Australian crackers, we had English crackers, we had crackers from South America.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:31

We had crackers French crackers.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:33

We had crackers fancy crackers, shitty crackers, Dumbo crackers, uh you name it. We we probably still have 20 bags left over from the hundred that we had.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:43

So we had so many crackers that we discovered you have a gluten intolerance.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:46

I just can't eat crackers. Just it ain't happening. I mean, even just a little handful. It's like, no, don't do that again. No. And I was trying all these different tractors. I was wondering what was going on with me, and then I was like, I think it might be the crackers. I'm not, I didn't do this cracker thing. I'm telling you. They made that we were j we were likely what happened is we were messing with her, and we said that's what we did.

The E-Meter Price Tag And Teardown

SPEAKER_01 1:04:09

For anyone who doesn't understand the context of this, Scientology did a hate video. Tell me. Literally from someone we used to work with saying, He licked my crackers. He licked her crackers. You literally cannot make this up.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:22

They were on my desk. Yeah. And then she took them off my desks, and then after she ate them, I said, Hey, hey, we licked those.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:29

Um who does that? Um, Anita, hi from the Netherlands. Mary Kay, hi from Albuquerque on this lovely Sunday. Love Foo Kitchen. Oh, yeah, we did that one.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:40

No. Oh, yeah, that's where the cracker looks like.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:42

Yeah, that's how we got off on that rabbit hole. Clara, happy Sunday. Yes, thank you to our mods, Clara and Catherine. Angel Cat, good morning from Sumlin, California. Happy Sunday from Indiana. Uh Katie, happy Sunday from Galway, Ireland. Good to see you, Katie. Yes, we knew that. Jack Shaw, greetings from Henderson, Nevada. Old Techie, hi from Nebraska, good to see you here. Amy Small, good afternoon from a sunny but chilly somewhere. I missed that one. Oh. Wisconsin, there we go. Jacob Harkey in the house. Hello, all from Monbrovia, California. Nice. Linda, oh my god, an e-meter. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:26

Slip shot, hi from Detroit.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:29

I wanted to say, they've got all these people.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:33

I don't exactly know where this one came from, but they got a lot of people that are Scientologists that are putting all their Scientology stuff in the storage lockers.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:42

Or they're giving it the it gets given to the kids or something. And there's so much of this stuff floating around.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:48

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:49

If you got one of the new e meters, we'll take that one. Yeah, if this one was the amazing thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:54

We could we could debunk the whole pinch test drama.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:58

I could one hundred percent make this work.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:00

Really? Oh yeah. You could do a pinch test. I've built break down how how it's a very good thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:06

I'd say I built at least I've built personally at least a hundred of these myself. It was my job to quality control check these for a bit.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:16

Right. I remember that.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:17

So I know these two.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:18

And we did all hands when That's right.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:20

We made harnesses, we installed dials, we've got to do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:22

That's when I that's uh on an e-meter is when I learned how to weld. I mean, I wouldn't exactly say I learned how to weld.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:30

First of all, how well did she learn that it's not even frickin' called welding? Okay? That's what I'm saying here, guys.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:38

What?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:39

It's called soldering.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:40

Oh, soldering. That's what I meant. You know what I meant.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:43

If you're a welder and you said solder, or if you're a solderer and you say weld, they ain't.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:50

Can it please not be the pick-on Claire Day? It's not.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:53

I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:54

Come on.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:55

You're making a point on how well you were trained. That you didn't that you didn't even know what you were doing.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:59

I mean, I was 17. I didn't know up from down when it came to that nonsense. Oh my God.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:06

Guys, they had people building these that didn't know the difference between soldering and welding.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:11

Yeah. That's as I just proved. There you go. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:16

And she was soldering.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:18

I was soldering. Is that what an emeter looks like? It reminds me of a Fisher Price toy lol. Yes, exactly. And yes, that is. Um that's um a quantum mark seven. Yeah, so this was released in I think the early late 80s or early 90s. So there are later iterations of it that looks even more like a what do you call it? An easy bake oven.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:40

Yeah, you know what? I'm gonna give out a spoiler alert. Old old techie. Is it old techie?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:45

Uh look up the patent for the e-meter. It's old techie.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:54

Pretty much.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:54

Tell me I'm wrong, old techie. He'll probably say the mark, he'll say the Mark Six or the Mark. He won't say this one, but he'll say which one he did.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:03

Eddie Moore in the house. Hello from New London, Connecticut. Kathy, hello from Maryland. Uh Karen, happy Sunday from Northern California.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:12

God, we got a lot of people in here today.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:14

Skidberta, hello from Georgetown, California. Nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:17

Look at this.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:18

Paul Vargason, hello from Oporto, Portugal. Wow. Nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:22

This is wild.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:23

Uh hello from Tuolemy. Nice. There you go. Uh Angela is love and life. Hey y'all. Sunny hugs from the south of France. Nice. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:33

Okay. Well, thanks for writing in, guys. Oh, here we go.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:37

Ironic. Right before Mark showed up at the Imp base, the entire cassette duplication crew got Kamevd and fined$39,000. Mark doesn't know about this. They threw him in the lion's den. That part you knew.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:50

I was the very first person to arrive to replace all of the people. This is DC.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:57

I didn't know that they were billed$39,000.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:00

And they all either went to the RPF or were kicked out of the Sea Org. That was it. There was no the only person who didn't get those things happen to her was Shelley Miscavige's sister. And she was like a lieutenant JG junior grade. Like that's a take.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:19

I mean, yeah, she'd been working with L. Ron Hubbard since she was like 13 years old.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:23

So she was she was a lifer. She'd been in the Sea Org for 30 25 years at this point.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:29

And she was the only person that didn't go to the RPF or get kicked out. But she was Lieutenant JG. She was reduced to Swamper. She was basically all of her rank for 30, 25 years was all canceled, and she was the only person that knew how the place worked. And when I showed up, it was just her and I to fix to fix everything that was destroyed and broken. Anyway, it's on it's in my book. But yeah, old Techie, yeah. Uh old Techie and I go back till 1990.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:00

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:00

So he knows he knows what time it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:03

Been around the block multiple times.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:05

Um okay, here's another question from Bri Brian.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:07

Brian, question Are public Scientologists required to sign arbitration agreements to, or is it just C org members?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:14

It's everybody.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:15

Yeah. Now it didn't used to be.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:17

This is a They had they had a they had a little s like a lighter language in there, but basically like we'll just sort it out between us or whatever. But now there's forms. Every time you complete a course, every time you sign up for a course, there you're Scientologists are signing these arbitration, these contracts or enrollment agreements, and they all have this arbitration clause in every single one of them now, so that they can try to basically it's a psyop on Scientologists so that they know they can't go to the uh they can't go to the courts or the police because you've agreed to deal with it with us.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:59

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:00

So if you do go to the courts, then now they're trying to make now they're trying to make it illegal for the courts to deal with it, and then they have to do this arbitration, and this is what they how they might have blown this.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:11

Yep. Hold on, I want to answer this real quick. Question Any info about Linda Stewart in Landlord Office. So by my recollection, she escaped in the late 90s. She had escaped a few times actually. Um, but I don't I don't have any idea where she ended up.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:28

I don't know that she was recaptured, like she was recovered.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:32

She was at least once.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:33

Well, no, I know, but I don't know in the end if she's No, I don't think she was. A lot of the people that were that dealt with Scientology renovations or Scientology property management around the world, a lot of those people knew a lot of crazy stuff that was going on between how the buildings were being bought and how they're being renovated and if anything.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:53

And how the how the um what do you call it? The um the permit to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:59

Exactly, certificate of occupancy. There's a lot of occupancy Scientology, if there's a corner, they're gonna cut it. And in the case of these organizations, when they were being built, there was a lot of pressure on these construction people within the Scientology organization called the Landlord Office. And I think every single one of those people who was the head of that uh had escaped at least once or twice over the years. Every single one that was the head of the International Landlord Office.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:30

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:30

Um and um so yeah, though those people I don't know, those I just know there was a lot of them coming and going. You know the craziest thing? I wanted to mention this because when we did renovations, we renovated this place in in um in Europe, in Copenhagen, in Denmark, and it was the headquarters of Scientology in in Europe. It's called the uh AOSH EU. Right. So the advanced organization uh Saint Hill Europe.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:00

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:01

And uh they had uh like hundreds and hundreds of foreign nationals outside of Denmark. There were not that many Danish people that were even doing the renovations. It was a lot of Hungarians and uh, you know, a lot of uh Eastern Europeans, like just tons of them.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:20

And they were basically working for for food and a room.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:24

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:25

They weren't paying them anything. They basically got them there so they get three huts and a cot, and they were doing renovations. And they some of these guys hadn't done any of this stuff in their life, and some of them had been lifers and they've done, you know, ten different trades just a little bit. But every Friday they would tell these guys if they met all the targets, the construction targets of the week, if if uh everybody met them, then they'd all get pizza. And the landlord office would buy like 30 pizzas for like a hundred and fifty, two hundred dudes. And they'd put them out, and they would literally have to kind of like rope off the pizzas because these guys were doing all the they were working the whole week to get a slice of this pepperoni. It's awful. Because they're just eating slop during the week, like warm water with tomatoes.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:16

Yeah, I mean I remember when you came back from AOSHEU and you had lost like twenty pounds. You were skin and bones.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:22

Anytime the people that were there from international management would eat, we would all get food poisoning. Every single time. Right. We couldn't eat there and not get food poisoning. We found out they were getting all the um I don't know, I didn't know you could do this, but in Denmark, supposedly, if you have rotten food, that just goes in the cheaper rotten food pile. And you could they still sell it. It's just this obviously is old and it's it's not it's on the edge of bad if not already.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:50

They can buy that and make the food with that because it's cheaper.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:53

For anyone wondering, Mark is not a rotten food guy. He told me about that and he said, Yeah, I just chose to eat apples instead. And that's the why that's why literally your ribcage was like. I only had enough money.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:04

I only had enough money each week to buy a block of cheese and a bag of apples. So I'd buy like a knapsack of apples and a block of cheese, and I cut off a piece of cheese in the morning and eat it and have an apple. And I was I lived off apples and cheese. Anyway, my whole point was they would unleash these people from the whatever and get the pizzas. It was like sharks, it was like throwing chum into the ocean. And they did the same thing at gold, remember that?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:36

Golden Air Productions, if you got Donuts and Pizza. If you got all your stats done, we'd get donuts. And if everybody did really awesome, we'd get pizza. And if the and if you were just balls out, just wall to wall, awesome, and even that donuts and pizza.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:52

Yeah, and even that eventually got banned by David Miscavige. Because remember, there were a few times that he caught wind that there was pizza, and he would stand in the background and be like, look at these animals. Like just going for the pizza.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:05

But that's how it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:06

Yeah, no, I know.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:07

And that's how all I just realized that's universal. Because they did it in Denmark, they did it in UK, they did it in LA. They just would basically you're not sleeping, you're not eating.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:20

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:20

And donuts and pizza are like that you're not getting that. You're not getting that on the black market.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:25

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:26

That's cigarettes and coffee you get access to. We're not getting access to pizza and donuts.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:33

Crazy. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:34

It is crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:35

Well, I don't know how we oh, we got that from uh from the e-meter somehow. Golden era productions nonsense. Um let's see if we got any other ones.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:44

Uh oh, Jeffrey's in the house. Jeffrey Augustine, the Scientology Money Project, he says, I did a podcast with Mark on gold base and rancid tacos. Yeah, that's we all have memories about rancid tacos. Yeah, that's in the book, too.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:00

Isn't that in the in the book?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:01

I believe so. Bluff Foo Kitchen. The way Mark calls him Ken when he goes by Rick always makes me ch chuckle. I bet he's sat at home seething, but not sure why.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:12

You know, I never knew his name was Kendrick or Rick. Um David Miscavige always called him Ken Moxon.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:18

Yeah, so that's where we got it from, is from David Miscavige. So if that that rattles his chain, it was probably intentional.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:25

It was always Ken.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:26

Yeah. Ken, Ken, Ken, Ken Ken. Ken or Moxon.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:29

Yeah, Ken Moxon. It was always Ken Moxon.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:31

Yeah. Or get Moxon on the phone.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:36

Maybe he doesn't like being called that. And that's the only reason why Dave calls him that. That would be why. Absolutely. My name's Rick. Well, I'm gonna call you fucking Ken. So suck it.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:47

Rick, what's that short for? Ken Drick. Okay, good. You're Ken.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:51

Okay, here we go.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:52

Okay. Shit, hold on.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:55

Oh, yeah, no, we covered that one for Brian. Yeah. It's definitely. What's Catherine saying here? Catherine's piping in.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:00

Okay. The only quote arbitration unquote I ever heard of in my 29 years in Scientology was in why's between business partners. Exactly. That's our point.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:09

Yeah, they never had arbitration in Scientology. In the church ends of things. They only had it in the business end because that's a business thing. It's a arbitration is common in the real world. In Scientology, it's totally 100% rigged in their favor.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:28

Exactly. The law should never be on the side of entirely biased, prejudiced, one-sided arbitration, even quote, religious arbitration, unquote, especially when it was invented specifically to block all rights of claimants. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:44

Yes. Precisely the point.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:45

Trevor Burrus That's the whole video that we're doing here.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:47

Exactly. No, could not agree with you more. I love the Zenu posters in your That's from Catherine's husband.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:53

He drew that. I guess I won it at the auction. That was one of the auctions.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:57

We won one of them, yep. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:59

Yeah. I won. Okay. I, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:02

We paid fair and square.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:03

Yeah, I was a little I got I was being outbid by a ton of people, like on a nonstop basis. It was getting a little frustrating. We made some good money, but you guys got another Hyundai out of me at least on a few of these things. Jeez, Louise.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:18

Oh, all right. Uh yes, I want to see a video on the e-meter.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:22

Perfectly. We'll do it. I'm gonna, you're gonna, I'm telling you guys. Maybe I should even have an iPhone or something else to show you. Like here's a consumer electronic device today, and here's what Scientology are doing.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:41

Yeah. Oh yeah, we have a BlackBerry somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:43

Well, no, I'm saying we I got a shop full of getting a fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:46

I got no lack of I got that part covered.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:50

I got get I got old gadgets, I got new gadgets, and I got gadgets I could take apart. True, true. But we could show the difference. I definitely got to do this. I gotta figure out the camera thing because I I might I might have to get myself another camera. Oh boy.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:03

No, you don't.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:04

Yes, I how am I gonna show it if I don't have a camera?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:07

That was me floating that.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:09

Can we please just reuse existing inventory? Becky, big brother. Uh yes, do an e-meter video. She said, Have an easy bake oven to compare insides with. Oh, that's a good thing. 100%. Yes, unboxing everything. I need a budget.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:21

I need a budget. This is a budget. I'm doing a budget.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:24

See what I have to put up with here, folks?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:26

Getting toys out of this one. Oh my goodness. I've got a camera coming. What else do I need?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:30

You're gonna get one of our kids to video it with a GoPro.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:34

No, I'm gonna get an easy Oh, that's not a bad idea, actually.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:38

See how I just diverted, avoided a catastrophe. Okay, good folks.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:42

We've got the camera. That's sorted.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:43

But I am gonna need at least Kiddo did a really good job filming the comedy works thing. Totally. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:50

So that's that's a solution.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:52

Well, no, I just have to hang it. It's done. We've you've it's all done now. You've I've got it all worked out. But I do need a discretionary fund for an easy bank.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:03

Okay. I need an easy bank.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:05

No, no, I need an easy bank. They got it. Okay. I'm literally going to Target to buy one right after this.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:10

All right. You can submit your purchase order.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:12

Oh sh look at this. Boom.

Audience Questions And Sea Org Memories

SPEAKER_01 1:21:15

Claire, will you record an audio version of your book? Thank you, Jacob. Yes, I absolutely will. I am deep in the throes of the editing phase with an amazing person that Mike Rinder actually put me in contact with. Thank you, Mike. Um so yeah. My goal is to send it off to print by the end of May, and then I will switch over to recording it myself.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:37

Awesome. I thank you, Jacob. It's very generous of you. You just contributed to the Easy Bake Oven fund. I'm already a third of the way there, babe. I'm gonna get there. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:52

It's gonna it's gonna be a good investment.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:54

Uh-huh. All right. And oh, and also I'll take this moment to shamelessly plug Claire Headley101 at Substack, is where I'm making all new announcements about my book and sharing thoughts and so forth as I get to the finish line.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:08

You guys are amazing. Look at this.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:10

Oh my gosh. Hello from Fort Collins. You guys are the best. Thank you, Susan. My gosh, Mark is really getting tickled over this. Oh my gosh. Thank you. Thanks for all your amazing work. Would you consider reading reacting to Debbie Cook's email? That's a radio. That's a really Jonah. You got it. We will absolutely do that. Because I we Mark and I, I'm sure Mark will agree with me. Like I remember where I was when that email was sent and everything about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:39

We we also are never gonna believe it.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:42

Oh my god, there's a backstory to that too.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:44

We were at a New Year's party.

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Yes.

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In Texas. Yes. With our kids, shooting on fireworks. Woo woo, Orange, Texas. What's the other place called? Something harbor.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:58

No, it's not harbor. It's something else. No, it is. It begins with a B.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:02

Where's near it's near Orange? It's anyway, it's down South Texas.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:06

Yeah. Um right on the border of Louisiana. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:09

It's down there.

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Yeah.

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Is that South Texas?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:14

Yeah. South Texas. South Texas.

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Anyway.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:18

I don't know where we were.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:19

We were in Texas at a party shooting on fireworks. And there was all it was all ex-scientology people. Yeah. Like 20, 30 of them. And some people who were in the Scientology from when they were little kids to some of them that worked with El Ron Hubbard, you name it, the full gamut. All these folks flew from in from all over the place.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:37

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:37

And we hear this email getting cooked up that Debbie Cook is going to send. She's in touch with somebody. Yeah. And they're in touch with somebody, and they're all in touch with a whole bunch of somebodies. And they basically are like, hey, who's got their hands on the OT8 email list? So an email.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:56

Well, hold on. Let's save it for that video.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:58

Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:58

Let's do it justice and go through the whole thing for Jonah.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:01

It's a great, it's a great story. Anyway, my point is we've got two videos lined up. We've got an e-meter unboxing video with a bonus easy bake oven.

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We started a whole friggin' thing.

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I'm buying two at this point. I'm going to use one to make things, and then I'm going to take one apart. Anyway, we're getting this on, guys. Okay, guys. This is a great way to do this. We should just figure out what videos we're going to do in this video for the next video.

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Yeah, there you go.

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Okay, guys. Um, here we go. Look at this.

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Okay, Angel Cat, more for your easy bake oven. Oh, goodness.

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Here we go. Dr. Dr.

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Eric Kyle, some funds for the gadget budget for your easy bake oven. Hope you're keeping warm. Colorado was chilly when we were there. So, how do you think the latest findings will affect Valerie's Valerie's suit against Scientology? Exactly. So this is Valerie Haney's case is also in the same boat. All these cases, any cases. This has to come to an end. It has to. And that's why we will keep talking about this from our experience of what happened in our lawsuit and the nonsense that it shows from Scientology.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:09

Thank you, Dr. X. I appreciate it. Very generous of you. Yes. Oh, you kidding me right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:16

Miss Freedom, easy bake oven. You can see I told you you you this is how I'm gonna sell these ideas.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:23

You're you I you're not you got no control anymore.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:26

Oh my goodness. I've been written out.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:29

I'm getting one. They better sell it. They better have you know what? Walmart would have one for you.

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Or eBay. eBay would have one. eBay.

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I want one now.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:37

Okay. All right. eBay's pretty fast these days. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:41

Oh my goodness. Look at this.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:43

Mark, here's something towards your class eight easy bake oven search.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:47

Thank you, Jeff. I appreciate it. Jeffrey pinched. I'm telling you guys that this was fun. Yeah, we have talked about this forever.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:57

We have.

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About doing one of these.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:58

I still think I should do a pinch test on you as part of that uh.

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If I get it working, we'll do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:05

We'll ask the ask everyone here. Do you want a pinch test of it?

SPEAKER_03 1:26:08

Everybody wants you to pinch me. Come on. I'm just gonna say no to that. Thank you, Jeff. That's very generous.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:14

Oh my goodness. We'll have a lot of things. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:18

Well, there you guys have it. Yeah. If I can get everything together for this um this easy bake bake off, we're gonna do an e-meter bake-off. We're gonna unbox an e-meter, and then I'm and if I I to do the easy bake, I really need a new e-meter. So if anybody's got uh if their parents uh left them a bunch of junk and they've got uh a new e-meter in it, um I would love to have one of those because then I could show you what they did. They've had this e-meter since the six sixties, seventies is kind of Mark VI, Mark VII, quantum, all those things.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:54

And it would even be very cool to do a comparison.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:56

That's what I'm saying. Oh, yeah. And to show you the technology that they kept traditionally all the way up until Yeah, because the Mark V was the old, like the wooden one.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:06

The wooden one. Yeah. And then you're right, when it became like this.

Upcoming Videos And How To Reach Us

SPEAKER_03 1:27:09

We made those too, though. We made those. Yes. Those are the cheap version of this.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:14

That's kind of that's that would also blow people's minds.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:17

Yeah, that's a part of the part of the story there.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:20

When we restarted making the Mark Vs and the wooden box, I'm gonna s I would argue that the electronics and the circuits were upgraded from what we were using on these things. Because it was so old. Yep. The designs and the schematics and everything were so old that I think the new uh I all I would wait, I would let old technical.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:44

Um there's an easy bake in stock at the Walmart near us.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:47

I told you. I know. When these kids were little, they uh they they uh they wanted things. They got they got they got more toys than we got.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:57

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:57

The uh we know where the toys are. Okay.

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Yep.

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Thank you, Clara. Look at that.

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Well, this has been fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:04

It's better than AI. I didn't even just said I bet you they have them at Walmart. It's right there.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:10

Thank you to our amazing team, Clara and Catherine. Yes. Everybody wants the meeting. Okay. Awesome.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:17

All right. We're doing it. That's it. Okay. It's on. Okay, so remember, Silvo Sings win uh wins today on the giveaway. If you it tell us what you want, Silvo, uh email Claire at blownforgood.com.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:28

Well, this is the giveaway from Dr. X. I understand. It's a Leah or Mike Bobblehead.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:33

That's what I'm saying. Okay. You want a Leah one or do you want a Mike one?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:36

Perfect.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:37

Um thank you to Dr. X for donating those.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:40

And for remembering Mike Rinder, our dear friend, who lives in our hearts and who we miss every day.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:45

It's not that we don't want to uh just give away everything. We've done hundreds, if not thousands, of giveaways on this channel. But if you want us to do giveaways when people sponsor them, it's a little easier because, you know, this ain't this ain't all for I mean, I got expenses. I got to get an easy bake.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:06

Yeah. For sure. We're doing this for free. And for anyone tuning in newly, so we did the giveaway during this stream, but we will do a secondary giveaway for the replay crew. So just comment on the video. Let us know if you're interested, if you'd like to be entered by commenting there. Yeah. And we'll let you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:24

And if you do want me to do an e-meter video, or if you want us to do this other what was the other video we were going to do?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:31

Oh, the Debbie Cook.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:32

The Debbie Cook email. Let us know in the comments because we like to do the videos that you guys want us to do. We we're trying to fix up this.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:40

But that's a really good suggestion. Thank you, Jonah. That's uh that would be really, really good. Because that did have a huge impact on scientists.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:48

Oh, 100%.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:48

Yeah. And we can even play some of Debbie Cook's testimony.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:52

Well, that's what I'm saying. That email resulted in that lawsuit and resulting in them paying her a ton of dough to not tell any more information about Scientology. Yes. In email or otherwise.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:05

Japan of Green Gables, thank you for asking about Christy, Shane, and Jack. They're doing well. And Christy has actually started posting newly on Mike's social media to keep things going there. So tune in there for more to come. Very cool.

Final Thanks And Sign-Off

SPEAKER_03 1:30:19

There was you were going to make me say something else, but I I can't remember. Anyway, so we got a Debbie Cook email, we got an email. If there's other e videos you want us to do, um, if you can get some thumbs up, I think that's how we should do it. If if the uh the highest thumbed up comment, yeah, uh upvoted comment will be the stuff you guys want to do. So comment, like, subscribe, flippity flap, and clickity clack, whatever you what there's buttons. Push them.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:47

Yep. Mark is back in town, so we're here for it.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:51

Yeah, and also I do have a bit of traveling to do in and around uh coming up. Right. But but as long as Claire keeps her series going, we'll try to fill in the blanks with those.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:02

Yeah.

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So if you if you have to wait two or three weeks for that, that's why.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:06

But there's there's and for anyone watching, if you'd like to be interviewed for the Cult Survivor series, reach out to me, Claire at Blownforgood.com.

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Awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:13

There we go. It's been a good day. We made it to the end. Boom.

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Boom. Oh, you're gonna do like Wonder Power.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:19

I've been watching Walking Dead.

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Oh my goodness, with the TVs and the shows. Okay, guys, until next time. Bye. Bye. I gotta push Biddy uh, I gotta push Vidy.