Inside Scientology’s Mark VIII Ultra E-Meter (we open it up) - Secrets of Scientology #12

The “most modern” Scientology e-meter looks slick on the outside, but once we open it up, the story gets a lot less mystical and a lot more revealing. We power up the Mark VIII (Hubbard Professional Mark Ultra VIII), walk through what auditors focus on, and then show what’s actually inside, including a detail you can’t unsee once you hear it: the circuit boards are dated 2004, even though the device was sold years later as the latest breakthrough. If you’ve ever wondered why the e-meter carries so much power in Scientology auditing, seeing the hardware helps explain the psychology. 

We also dig into the culture surrounding it: PC folders, celebrity code names, and why “confidential” confessional material often isn’t treated as confidential at all when the organization decides it’s useful. From there we get into OT III secrecy and the Xenu and body thetans narrative (yes, the thing people pretend is just “internet rumors”), and we talk frankly about the harm of medical claims, including the idea that auditing can cure cancer. 

Then we go hands-on with what listeners always ask about: floating needle vs rock slam, what those needle movements look like, and how easily a person can influence the results. We also cover the “silver certification” lockout system that can disable an e-meter unless it checks back in, plus why new Scientology materials targeting kids deserve way more attention. 

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Transcript

Welcome And Part Two Setup

SPEAKER_05 0:25

Hey, hey, hey guys. Welcome to another episode of Blown for Good, Scientology Exposed. I'm Mark Headley, and I am joined today by my lovely wife, Claire.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Hey, hey, everybody. Good to see you this fine Sunday. Thank you for joining us.

SPEAKER_05 0:39

Yes, we have a great episode, as you might have seen in the thumbnail. Um, we are doing uh, I guess this is really part two, because we did a few weeks ago, we did a video where we showed you this old Fuddy Duddy. This is uh L. Ron Hubbard's Mark Super 7 Quantum. Actually, I lost the badge for it. Here it is. It's just a Super 7. There, now it's a quantum. Um, and we took this thing apart, and it was a disaster. It was a train wreck of an electronics device. But now But we had fun. We did have fun, and um, it's actually one of the best watched videos we've done in a long time. So I was like, well, what's

Celebrity PC Folders And Code Names

SPEAKER_05 1:20

going on, man?

SPEAKER_01 1:20

The people want to see.

SPEAKER_05 1:22

The people want to see inside these little piggies. Yep. But um, I wanted to tell you guys, uh, Clara, one of our supermods, um, she f did the thumbnail for this video and she found a picture of John Travolta on auditing on OT3. And you can see, well, he was getting audited.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

Yeah, he but but on his PC folder, which is in the picture.

SPEAKER_05 1:46

That's where they store all the written accounts of everything you do in your space cootie eviction sessions.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

Yeah, and at that time, you so each PC folder is marked with the level that the person has reached. And on his folder, you see it says John Travolta and it says OT3 confidential.

SPEAKER_05 2:06

Yeah, and so that picture was, I want to say that was in the late 70s or the early 80s.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Yeah, but it must have been uh I mean, in later years it started to be that the PC folders were color-coded as well with stripes.

SPEAKER_05 2:22

So that folder is not I thought it was and they just did it with a marker.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

Um yeah, I mean I can't see the so OT3, OT1 to three is a yellow stripe.

SPEAKER_04 2:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

OT5 is yellow and red.

SPEAKER_03 2:36

Ooh.

SPEAKER_01 2:36

OT7 is yellow and purple, and then OT eight is yellow and blue.

SPEAKER_05 2:44

Oh, nice. So you can see at a glance if you're looking at a shelf full of folders or a filing cabinet full of folders, folders, you can see which ones. Usually they just stack them with the names out on shelves. Yes. That's how they normally do it. Um excuse me. And in the later years, tell me if this isn't the I seem to remember this. In the later years, if you were a big celebrity in Scientology and they didn't want people because these folders travel all over the organizations where that person's getting auditing. That's right. They go to different people at different times, depending on what you're doing. And uh, you know, you could have some looky loo somewhere just go, oh, John Travolta, let's see what what's he's cooking up.

SPEAKER_01 3:27

Yeah. So which actually happened. And therefore, in later years, they changed it so that any big celebrity um had a an uh a fake name on PC folders.

SPEAKER_05 3:40

Uh Lisa Marie's was Norma Darling.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

Yes. And Tom Cruise was Tom Stone.

SPEAKER_05 3:47

Uh Kirsty Ellie didn't have a uh uh a name. Nope. Uh code name.

SPEAKER_01 3:51

She did not.

SPEAKER_05 3:52

I don't think I think John Travolta did have a code name, though.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

He did. I don't remember what it was, but yeah.

SPEAKER_05 3:57

Anyway, if you're just a regular Scientologist, your stuff can be gone through. They don't they don't change your name.

SPEAKER_01 4:03

But it's but it's in Scientology, it's a crime to look in a folder above

Confessions Used As Leverage

SPEAKER_01 4:10

your level.

SPEAKER_05 4:10

Yeah, which doesn't mean people didn't do it. And also, to be fair, um when people go to the Florida location or any of these locations to get confessionals and they admit to things in the confessional, that gets passed around the Sea Org. Whatever and a lot of times David Miscavige himself is the one who would be telling the stories of what people confessed to their folders. That was at the imp base, I would say that happened, I don't know, 10 or 15 times a year, where he would bring up something that somebody admitted in a session or kit in a confessional, and then he would just air it out to everybody at the end of the year.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

Oh, way way more than 10 or 15 times a year. And and and nobody was exempt either. Tom Cruise wasn't exempt, staff definitely were not exempt, executives were not exempt, nobody was exempt.

SPEAKER_05 5:05

Even the big donors. Right. He would talk smack about the big donors and what they were doing and what they were up to. It's kind of crazy. It is crazy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:13

It was like uh what what do you it's like uh Real Housewives of David Miscavige.

SPEAKER_05 5:18

Yeah. He would literally it would be hot news. It would be like his that's like the Sea Org daily rag. Isn't it he would be like Oh, did did you guys hear what blah blah blah was up to? And then most of the time it was us that he was talking about. For sure. Uh at the the Sea Org members at the base. That was the majority of it. That's what I'm saying. It was maybe only 10 or 15 times a year that he did it with the celebrities that I remember. He would do it with us all the time.

SPEAKER_02 5:47

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 5:47

But every once in a while he'd say something about a celebrity, and you're just like, damn, dude, you're how's that work?

SPEAKER_01 5:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 5:54

And then I think, well, he does it to us. Why would why would he not do it?

SPEAKER_01 5:57

Yeah, information confessed in Scientology is only confidential if you're a a you know, a playing member and if you're in good standing, uh the minute that information is useful to them, it's no longer confidential. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_05 6:14

Well, yeah. I mean, that's what I'm saying. Even when the folders are just laying around in in an organization, any person that works in any of those areas where the folders are could grab your folder, lock the door, and do a deep dive and dig through all your goodies.

SPEAKER_02 6:30

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 6:31

Which I mean, if you're a Scientologist watching this, that is that's how it goes. We're not lying. No, it is what it is. Um and then um and so that thumbnail with John Travolta, that was in the I I I want to say it was 1979. I don't know. It was I'm

The Depends Story And Sea Org Violence

SPEAKER_05 6:50

pretty sure that was that picture was in a celebrity center magazine, which is or just a celebrity is what it's called. It's a Scientology magazine that used to come out every few months from the Celebrity Center, and it would have all of the different celebrities from around the world that were in Scientology, and um, and they'd like profile them and all how successful they are and all the shows and movies and plays and commercials, tied commercials they're up to. And then um Depends. Yeah, depends. Oh boy. If you guys want to have a good laugh, look up on a Google, get on your Google web and go Sadie Depends commercial. That woman and her husband and that child um are they Scientologists, and Sadie and her husband, Axel, used to be at the international headquarters, and she was the assistant cameraman on the film unit that I worked on for many, many years. And uh, she always wanted to be an actress. And um and she ended up doing it. She left the Sea Org um with their blessing, because they had a they had a baby.

SPEAKER_00 7:58

Yeah, after our lawsuit.

SPEAKER_05 8:00

Yeah, and so they were allowed to leave. And she got her big break and she did this commercial. And um I haven't seen her in anything else, so I don't know if she did anything else, but she did land this Depends commercial. So good for her.

SPEAKER_01 8:16

She was a nasty piece of work. Hopefully, she's clean cleaned her up her act. She was most famous at the Imp base for being the one who, at the orders of David Miscavige, uh, drove her car into Mark Yeager. He had to jump, he evaded her by jumping over a wall.

SPEAKER_05 8:33

No, a loading dock. He jumped off a loading dock.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

Right, and broke his leg.

SPEAKER_05 8:37

Yeah. But she didn't actually hit him. She just came within a millisecond of doing so. He luckily he had good reflexes and he j jumped over that wall.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

But it's just insanity.

SPEAKER_05 8:46

It was right by the loading dock at the Cine Castle in um at the international headquarters. And um, yeah. So should we do this?

SPEAKER_01 8:56

Yeah, let's do it.

SPEAKER_05 8:57

Hopefully you have this is a little bit of a funky setup. You can see all the the rigmaroles here.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

And hey, shout out to Denver Stevo for joining us. Nice we haven't seen you in a while. It's good to have you back here, kind sir. Absolutely on this rainy, thundery day in somewhere south of Denver.

Powering Up The Mark VIII

SPEAKER_05 9:15

Okay, so let me turn this thing on. Yeah, this this still works, guys. Still works.

SPEAKER_01 9:19

Look at that.

SPEAKER_05 9:20

I think I might even also have figured out like a hack. So if it's not silver certed, you can push a certain amount of buttons in a certain way and it'll it'll reset it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:32

In my mind, for whatever reason, this has a mission impossible type theme. Like I'm like imagining that you're gonna open this up and then all of a sudden the agents are gonna swarm in and we found you.

SPEAKER_05 9:44

I guarantee you they're not happy about us doing this.

SPEAKER_02 9:46

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_05 9:47

Um anyway, so this is the most recent e-meter issued by Scientology. Last week we showed you the Mark Super 7, which came out in the 80s and then was revised in the mid-90s, and then retired in 2011, I think, is when this one came out. 2011? I correct uh I know there's some people in here who used to be in the Yeah, or 13.

SPEAKER_01 10:11

And by the way, shout out to Zenus Homeboy that got this to us.

SPEAKER_05 10:15

Yes, exactly. And also, just so you know, Scientology, there's so many of these e-meters that are in storage units. They get bought up by you know that store sh storage wars. There's been Scientology units in there. And then people open those up and then they and then they Google, they get on their Google foo and they go, Oh, these guys might want it. So there's a a lot of ways you can get your hands on these without uh without going to Scientology and buying one.

SPEAKER_02 10:46

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 10:47

Okay, so and also let's not forget this thing looks identical to an easy bake oven. Look at the the girl who designed this e-meter, she definitely had a hand in this. I mean, come on, guys, look at that. It even has a clock right here. It has a clock and everything. You know, I didn't know what these things on the side were, I thought they were handles, but this is like a pizza oven easy bake. You put it in in one side and then it it just goes through the thing and then it comes out the other side. At least this thing makes brownies, okay? Or cakes or whatever they you jam in there.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 11:28

Anyway, okay, so this is the um the Mark 8 ultra ultra easy bake. And um it says Hubbard Professional Mark Ultra 8. And um and very similar to the other one, it has the time, it has the what this is called the tone arm, so it has the TA position. I hope you guys can see those readouts. I tried to get the lighting. Um and then it has the session TA, so that's the total amount of TA. So every time this goes down, it adds up to that. That in a Scientology session, that's like your uh that's like your score. You want to get you wanna get the T you want to get as much TA down as possible, right? T A moves.

SPEAKER_01 12:09

At the end of every session, you note the total tone arm action, TAA, for the session. And if there was not very much tone arm action, then the case supervisor says, hmm, something's wrong there.

SPEAKER_05 12:24

Yeah, either the auditor's doing something wrong or the PC's got something else he hasn't fessed up to, or whatever reason uh the old Fuddy Duddy thought of to get people to keep doing more auditing. Okay, now I was surprised. I've opened this thing up already, and I've actually broken it. The um the kickstand in this is very, very low quality. I gotta just say that right off the bat. Oh, let's flip this little piggy around. So very similar to the Mark Super 7. Um, this one. I'm just gonna take this battery out so I can have to deal with that.

SPEAKER_03 13:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:01

So this thing's got um it's got uh crazily enough, I think it has the same amount or maybe even more circuit boards than the other one. These circuit boards are a better quality than the other one. That's for sure. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna, you know, put it down where it isn't down, but um they're not great, and they're not even new tech because you know, somebody in the comments last week was debating whether or

A “Modern” Meter Built In 2004

SPEAKER_05 13:30

not um th those were made in 2004. These were made in 2004 because they'll they came out in Scientology in like 2011 or 2013, something like that.

SPEAKER_02 13:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:40

But if you look right on all these circuit boards, they have dates on them, and it says 2004, June 30th.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

Right, because these were being made and designed while we were still there.

SPEAKER_05 13:52

That's right. They were producing these when we were still at the international headquarters, and we left in January of 2005. So I did look at every single circuit board, and every single circuit board in this unit has a 2004 manufacturing date. So in 2004, this was decent. This circuit board actually has the same parts and the same layout as the circuit board that I told you that my company had made in 2006. So it is at least using the tech of the time when they made it.

SPEAKER_02 14:29

Right.

SPEAKER_05 14:29

But they made it in 2004. Right. And then it sat on the shelves and then um came out in 2011.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

So it's David Miscavige commonly does that where there's some new thing, and they'll be like, oh, that can't be released until we've done, you know, A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and then, you know.

SPEAKER_05 14:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

Anyway.

SPEAKER_05 14:50

But besides that, it still has the same kind of layout that the other one does. It still has this daughter board. Um, now I think they made the display board and this daughter board all into one thing because this one's got this one's doing all kinds of fancy stuff with uh with one LED screen instead of or the L C D rather, with one L C D screen instead of the three separate ones that they had on the other meter. Um, which is more, which is better. That is better. Um, this one also has two battery packs. Um, and that's another thing. I'm not a battery expert, but if you make a battery and you put it into an electronics device in 2004, and then you let it sit there for at least seven years and then you start using it, I'm pretty sure you're not getting the full battery juice that you would have gotten if you started using that thing in 2004.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

It's got to degrade.

SPEAKER_05 15:50

Um, and I don't know if they left them at full charge and let them die down, or if they left them dead.

SPEAKER_01 15:55

Uh or if they did an all hands to recharge the batteries before they sold them as new.

SPEAKER_05 16:01

Yeah, but this one has the other one had three of these sized batteries, and this one has six. So there might be a lot more happening in here than the last one they need a lot more power for, or they just wanted it to last longer between sessions.

SPEAKER_01 16:18

Or they used shittier batteries and needed more, therefore.

SPEAKER_05 16:22

I think the battery tech is absolutely better than the other one. I guarantee you that. It's just I mean, just years and years had gone by. Now, with but between 2004 and now, all of this should be, I mean, if you think about it, just look at your iPhone. Your iPhone is like doing 10,000 things better than this.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

For sure.

SPEAKER_05 16:44

Uh, you know, 10,000 things 10,000 times better. Right. And it's it's that doesn't have a circuit board this big. So I'm sure that they could do this a lot better now. Um, but at the end of the day, it's all hooey anyway. So it doesn't what are they doing better?

SPEAKER_01 16:58

It's it's just crazy that this is touted as like, oh, fancy, the latest and the greatest. And we're like, dude, this was made 22 years ago.

SPEAKER_05 17:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:09

Let's just call a spade a spade.

SPEAKER_05 17:12

Yeah. And um, just like the other one, so it has the motherboard, the daughter board. There is a uh a board in the back which handles the charging and then the digital input and output of the needle and whatever the meter is doing. Um, this is the dial. These this is probably the most expensive part of this, is this unit right here, which is the again, they have it's the almost the exact same dial as the old one. Um it's got a little bit of anti-glare, it's got the same dial card, everything just like the other one. Um, it's got an extra battery, and then they did redo all these connectors. So remember, I when I showed you on that other one. I'm just gonna take this one out.

SPEAKER_01 17:55

Yeah, we can do it, do a side-by-side.

SPEAKER_05 17:57

Yeah, I just want to, I don't. Oh, you know what? I can do the same thing I did with it. Just unplug these. Oh, they cable tied it. What dogs? Okay. This one had these big giant honking molexes on here. Um, these guys. So they did they did flip those to a smaller connector. And the funny thing is, is they still had to cable tie, lock down this one connector because it looked like it was slipping out. So they actually built a little cable tie section into the circuit board so they could cable tie this so this wouldn't disconnect from the uh I think that goes to the uh T.

SPEAKER_01 18:32

Yeah, and different to the first e-meter that we looked at, too. This one was made in Taiwan. Not by anybody at the circuit gold.

SPEAKER_05 18:42

Yeah. Well, this was I actually found out where it was manufactured because it sets on some of the parts.

SPEAKER_01 18:47

Oh.

SPEAKER_05 18:48

It came from Malaysia.

SPEAKER_01 18:50

There you go. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_05 18:52

So um I did do a little sleuth thing and I kind of uh undid a few of these things to find it. But I think you can even see right on the battery, um many of these things have to have a country of origin. And um This one doesn't say it, but um there is definitely parts in here that said Malaysia. So they either sourced some of the parts from Malaysia. Um it's not really it's not really easy to tell where it was assembled.

SPEAKER_01 19:17

But it definitely was not assembled at gold.

SPEAKER_05 19:19

That's it was not assembled by Sea Org members, highly trained technical, electronic Sea Org members, like the little 10-year-old kids from the Intranch or people coming in from uh for all hands that used to mow the lawns. Yeah. This is made in a factory. Um downtown. That's from the song.

SPEAKER_02 19:41

Anyway, um I I gathered that much, honey. Peaches.

SPEAKER_05 19:46

Presidents. Okay. Um and yeah, so that's I mean, that's basically it. This, so in that picture in the thumbnail, John Travolta has already been getting rid of space cooties.

SPEAKER_01 20:01

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 20:02

Back in the 70s. That's how long? How many years is that? That's he's been getting rid of space cooties for 50 years. Is that is my math right?

SPEAKER_01 20:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:11

70s?

unknown 20:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:12

45, 75.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

I was four when that picture was taken.

SPEAKER_05 20:16

And he was cranking out space cooties, getting rid of

OT III And The Xenu Story

SPEAKER_05 20:19

them. Now, I gotta explain this to people because people think that Xenu is a good guy in Scientology, and that's Or maybe they just don't know.

SPEAKER_01 20:30

Uh but they think that he's part of the, you know, the origin they understand he's part of the origin story. Yeah, but he's But what the role he played, I don't think that's ever made clear.

SPEAKER_05 20:41

That's right. So in Scientology, Zenu is a bad guy. Okay. Outside of Scientology, Zenu is a good guy. Right. Okay. And body thetans are what are these space cooties that everybody has inside them. According to L. Ron Hubbard, Chief Fuddy Duddy, he says you have millions of these little aliens inside you, and you and you have to get rid of them. And when you go into session, you could get rid of a thousand of these things, you could get rid of a cluster of them that might be tens of thousands.

SPEAKER_01 21:15

Yeah, a cluster is where they've basically collided and compacted and become one. So they think that they're one, but instead it can be anywhere from two to a million. And so that's why you have to break up the cluster, and then all of the individuals can be freed.

SPEAKER_05 21:34

Wow. Okay. This is what they really believe. In South Park, when they say this is what Scientologists actually believe. This is what Scientologists actually believe. So this device it doesn't really zap them or it doesn't really do anything. It helps the Scientologist locate them.

SPEAKER_01 21:58

That's exactly right.

SPEAKER_05 21:59

It's a it's a

SPEAKER_01 22:00

But as you can see, there's not some like radar uh BT body Titan radar detector.

SPEAKER_05 22:07

Yeah, well that's what I was thinking about is that the next meter, there is another e-meter that was designed by Hubbard. And it's in his mansion at the international headquarters. And I'll explain that in a little bit. But what I think this one, if they were gonna upgrade this not to that one, the one that's supposed to be the fully, truly OT e-meter, they need like a little box in here like they have in Ghostbusters where the space cooties get sucked in. They go and they get sucked in here, and then you just take it to like Best Buy and just change the cartridge or something. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 22:43

Okay, you want to submit a feedback card?

SPEAKER_05 22:45

Yeah, you could go on Amazon and just order. I need a new space cootie filter for my Mark Mark Mark Mark Mar Mark Bonanza 10. The Bonanza 10 meters got a a little I don't know what that box is called.

SPEAKER_01 22:59

Yeah, I don't remember.

SPEAKER_05 23:00

There might be a Ghostbusters nerd on here who could say, I know ectoplasm, I know don't cross the streams, I know that, but what how are they oh, it's a containment. It's a containment module.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

Oh, yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_05 23:10

It's a containment module. We need a space cooties containment module. And then the space cooties go through the cans and they go, who then they capture them.

SPEAKER_03 23:19

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 23:20

Yeah. Anyway, I bet you those uh space cooties would sell high on the black market if you had a hundred million space cooties and with all these cartridges. Yeah. I don't know, guys. I'm just thinking outside the box here. The Scientologists are doing this all wrong. People want space cooties.

SPEAKER_01 23:35

Wasted resources.

SPEAKER_05 23:37

The whole thing with the space cooties. Here, we can put this away. We'll switch back over to here. The whole thing with the space cooties is that Scientology believe that that's what's making you do things that you you don't want to do. Yep. Things that are non-pro survival or doing drugs or getting wild with the ladies or the or the fellas or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

They think the space cooties Or even just not being your best self.

SPEAKER_05 24:04

Yeah. They think any of that is from the space cooties.

SPEAKER_00 24:08

Right.

SPEAKER_05 24:09

Okay. I argue everything that makes people awesome is because of their space cooties they're making them out. If they're making them do bad shit, they're gonna make them do good shit too.

SPEAKER_01 24:21

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_05 24:22

Riddle me this, okay? When Tom Cruise did Top Gun, more space cooties than he had now. Recently. Every movie since Top Gun, he's had less space cooties. He had the most space cooties when he did Top Gun.

SPEAKER_00 24:37

Right.

SPEAKER_05 24:38

Or Risky Business. Mr. Risky Business had no he had all full complement of space cooties. Anyway, you guys write down in the comments what you think. Space cooties up or down. Either way, you can see the space cooties. Uh if you go to our website, you can get Xenu and the Body Thetans. Same thing. Body Thetans, Space Cooties. Um you get we got space cooties. We're coming out. I keep saying this, but we are coming out with a 2026 Xenu and the Body Thetans concert T series with all new artwork from John Christensen.

SPEAKER_01 25:14

Yes, which is amazing. And um can see it back there.

SPEAKER_05 25:18

Yeah, it's in this, it's a it's back here. Yeah, that's exactly right. Right there. Oh, you can see a little bit of it there. I guess you can see it in the main shot.

SPEAKER_02 25:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:25

Xenu and the body thetans. Yeah. Um and and sure, their looks have changed over the years. They're space aliens, guys. They can do whatever they want. They can put on they can pull a new face however they want to do it.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

Unless anyone think otherwise. This is a three-legged dude.

SPEAKER_05 25:42

Oh, yeah, that's right. If you look at the image, it's it's jarring at first, but he has a third leg in the front. Um and it is actually a leg, it's got a foot on the end of it. That's how I know it's a leg.

SPEAKER_03 25:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:53

And an alien foot, but whatever. Um anyway, I think that if Scientologists knew that this is where this is this is it's not holding the space cooties. You're just getting rid of them.

SPEAKER_02 26:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 26:10

And that's another thing which I think is irresponsible on the part of Scientologists that are exercising their their their body thains.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

Yeah, evicting them.

SPEAKER_05 26:19

If they're bad for you and you're sending them off, they're not you're not destroying them.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

Right.

SPEAKER_05 26:24

You're not getting you're not psycho.

SPEAKER_01 26:26

You're not they're pulling they're polluting the atmosphere of Earth.

SPEAKER_05 26:29

They're pissing them off and then they're going to other people.

SPEAKER_01 26:33

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 26:34

So they're not actually solving the problem if the space cooties are a problem. They're just kicking the can down to the next guy who just happened to be walking by. I bet you Sea Org members have more space cooties than any other people. What? Oh, it's something on you this whole time.

SPEAKER_01 26:49

Yeah, you keep hitting the button with your hand by mistake. Yeah, it's all good.

SPEAKER_05 26:52

So the Sea Org members that are around all these people getting and the kids of Scientologists that are like OT in the OT levels, they're the ones probably getting all these errant space cooties. You don't think so? They're not going, they're not moving to another town.

SPEAKER_01 27:12

Right.

SPEAKER_05 27:13

I mean, you're they're jumping out of one place.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

They're not going back to where they came from.

SPEAKER_05 27:16

They're not going to nine million light years away or wherever the fuck they came from.

SPEAKER_01 27:21

There's they they didn't come on a round-trip ticket.

SPEAKER_05 27:26

They flew spirit and then it went out of business. They had no way back.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

As Mark likes to say, sucks to suck.

SPEAKER_05 27:33

Sucks to suck. Anyway, I just think if the Scientologists knew that, they might they might rework the folklore a little bit. There is there there are besides it just being insanely crazy to start with, there's a lot of holes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

Right? Yeah. I mean you cannot you can't seriously try to insert logic in any in any of this.

SPEAKER_05 27:57

Yeah. Like people ask when we did the uh when I watched the South Park thing. I think we did an episode or we t we've talked about it.

SPEAKER_02 28:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:04

And that's where I found out about Lord Zenu and body thickness was from South Park. Like just a month or two after we'd left Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 28:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:13

And when I was watching it, Claire was in the other room.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

Refusing to watch it.

SPEAKER_05 28:18

She didn't want to watch it.

SPEAKER_00 28:19

I was scared.

SPEAKER_05 28:20

And when she was she could hear though. She was in the other room. For sure.

SPEAKER_00 28:25

For sure.

SPEAKER_05 28:26

And then I and then she walked into the living room like near the end or whatever. And I looked up at her and I was like, is this for real? And she was like, yeah, basically it is. It's yeah. They've changed some of the, you know, the wording and they've like, you know, punched it up for comedy, but it is essentially the exact story.

SPEAKER_02 28:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:43

Um, and so I was just like, that was it. I was done right there. I was like, oh, you've got to be kidding me.

SPEAKER_02 28:51

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 28:51

And this is the crazy thing. If you ask a Scientologist, do you believe in space aliens? And they know they are up to the operating Thetan levels, they will tell you, don't believe all the stuff you read on the internet.

SPEAKER_00 29:05

Right.

SPEAKER_05 29:06

They don't say no. And if they do say no, they're lying. 100% lying.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

Right. And even um even when people would send in letters to the reports officer in Religious Technology Center, who, by the way, was not an OT. She had not studied the upper levels. So sometimes people would send in letters that included the Z New story and all this. And even to her, she would just be told, oh no, that's uh that's just squirrel. They're just you know messing with us.

SPEAKER_05 29:40

Yeah, they're making up.

SPEAKER_01 29:41

Because she couldn't, she couldn't, she didn't know that that's what it actually was.

SPEAKER_05 29:46

Yeah. Shout out to Serena.

SPEAKER_01 29:48

Yeah, Serena, we hope you're doing well.

SPEAKER_05 29:50

Um anyway, so it's confidential in Scientology to know about Xenu and the body thetans. Unless you're at OT, which is operating Thetan level three.

SPEAKER_02 30:04

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 30:05

Um, that's when you find out about them. That's the basically the South Park episode is OT three.

SPEAKER_02 30:09

Right.

Cancer Claims And Avoiding Medical Care

SPEAKER_05 30:10

And then the the space cooties get up to all sorts of nonsense as you go up the OT levels, they're doing drugs.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

On on OT5, operating thetan level five is when um Hubbard states that that's when he alleges that you get to cure cancer because you have body thetans who are cancer.

SPEAKER_05 30:33

So they have cancer.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

Yeah, they're being cancer. So if you find those body thetans and release them, then your cancer will release.

SPEAKER_05 30:42

Yeah, so this is where the medical claims started getting them a little mucked up because Fuddy Duddy says this, and then the FDA are like, you can't say that. You can't say that cancer is space aliens. Um which by the way, it is a I didn't realize it, but since I have been away from Scientology, I know a lot less people that die of cancer.

SPEAKER_01 31:07

Oh, completely.

SPEAKER_05 31:09

In Scientology at the international headquarters, I could probably list off twenty people. More than that. 30, 40 people that died of cancer. And many of those while we were there, it was just like poof, poof.

SPEAKER_01 31:22

Yeah, and some of them were super young, like Burke Shackleton ended up with um what's it called? Uh the skin skin cancer, melanoma. Melanoma, yes, exactly. Um, but it would but because there was such an extreme lack of medical care, routine, checkups, any and any of that, as we've said before, when you're barely getting any sleep, everybody is exhausted. Anytime you get in ethics trouble, you suffer extreme weight loss, oftentimes don't have access to even just basic nutrition. Um, and so by the time people would be like, I'm really, really exhausted and really not feeling good. And by the time they'd go to a doctor, oftentimes it was stage three or stage four, like Chuck that happened with Chuck Lemer. Lemmer. Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 32:09

And also Chuck Brown Baker, Greg Brown, all these different people. But regardless, this kind of echoes back to what I was saying. There are all those Sea Org members there. They're scooping up extra extra Thetans. If somebody else got rid of them, they just went to somebody else there. They wasn't doing OT levels. I'm telling you, they got it all backwards over there. Um we should do some uh comments and then we'll do a giveaway at the end. We'll ask we'll let people uh we'll let people tell us where they're coming from. Um Brian.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

Oh, hold on. Let me get back but get over to my other stage. All right, Brian, sweet, part two. Now we can get rid of whatever aliens weren't removed during part one. Yes, exactly. Angel Cat, hi from Sunland, California. Mystic Pebble, hi from Hampshire, UK. Angel Cat, looking forward to seeing the Easy Bake Oven. It's been decades since not only seeing one, but using one. LOL. There you go. Trevanon, good evening from the Netherlands. Mary Kay, happy Sunday. Hello from Albuquerque. It's a beautiful day here and nice. Trevenon, Travolta still hasn't audited out his BTs. Exactly. Yep, still going. L Run Fuddy Duddy, greetings from Target 2. Nice. I love it.

SPEAKER_05 33:26

Look at he's on a rocket in a thumbnail.

SPEAKER_01 33:29

Becky, good evening. Happy Sunday from Reading, UK. Nice. Hello, oh, XJW Vernon. Nice. Thanks for joining us. Uh hi from Lisbon, Portugal. Nice. Hello from Berlin, Germany. Sauerkraut. Mystic Pebble. Looking forward to demystifying this machine that I was made to feel so scared of. It feels ridiculous now. I know, right?

SPEAKER_05 33:53

Yeah, that's but that is a really good point. This is just a it's literally, it's an electronic uh accessory that was made in China in Malaysia. Yeah. It doesn't do anything. Right.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

It's the it's it's the single biggest element of the Emperor's new clothes story. Like everybody thinks, like, oh, when when I pick up those cans, my deepest, darkest secrets will become obvious. I mean, if you even have deepest, darkest secrets, like whatever. But then you just go, really? Don't write yourself off the power of belief. Tracy, howdy from Wyoming. Nice. Olga from Northwest Oregon. Old Techie, hello from Nebraska. Good to see you here. Joyo. Satan Satan, good evening from London. I like that. I do too. Jacob, hello from Monrovia, California. HCS, good evening from South Africa. Nice. Awesome. Greetings from Santa Monica. Nice. Our old haunts. Ryan, hello from Mississauga, Ontario, Canada. Awesome. Doretta's daughter. Hi, all from Pools Boot, Paulsbow, Washington on the Kit Sat Peninsula. Annette, hi from Sweden from an ex-scientologist. Nice. Good to see you here. Thanks for joining us. Bok Buddy, the BT now stands for bake time.

SPEAKER_05 35:22

Bake time.

SPEAKER_01 35:24

Yay.

SPEAKER_05 35:25

I know I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 35:26

What was that? What's that baking song that always was?

SPEAKER_05 35:29

Gotta do the cooking by the book.

SPEAKER_01 35:31

Yes. Oh my gosh. That just isn't.

SPEAKER_05 35:33

If you want to want to get a good time, do the cooking by the book. Little Wayne remix. Okay. Okay. Or is it little John? Some it's some little, some little remix.

SPEAKER_01 35:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 35:46

It's the best.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

That girl with the pink hair dancing round.

SPEAKER_05 35:49

Gotta do the cooking by the book. If you want the crazy. Okay. Um now I wanna now I want an easy bake oven.

SPEAKER_01 35:57

Catherine, now I want to get an easy bake oven and put a Mark Ultra 8 sticker on it. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 36:02

You can do that with AI in eight seconds.

SPEAKER_01 36:05

That's so funny.

SPEAKER_05 36:06

You could put the easy bake oven.

SPEAKER_01 36:09

When you hold them up like side by side, the side by side comparison is just like, what the heck? It's the best. We gotta show you. Somebody should check the designer's resume.

SPEAKER_04 36:18

Hold the other side.

SPEAKER_01 36:19

Okay. Hold what?

SPEAKER_04 36:20

That side. Hold that side.

SPEAKER_01 36:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 36:22

There you go. Put that up. Look at this, guys. Look at this.

SPEAKER_05 36:26

Come on. What are we doing here? It's the same designer that made the easy bake oven, made Scientology's e-meter. Look at that.

SPEAKER_02 36:38

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 36:39

I mean. But that does something. It makes brownies. Okay?

SPEAKER_02 36:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:45

I don't remember who had one when I was a kid, but I remember I remember mixing up a batch of brownies and putting in that easy bake, and they were delish.

SPEAKER_01 36:54

Nice.

SPEAKER_05 36:55

Okay, they were a treat.

SPEAKER_01 36:56

I didn't have an easy bake, but I had like a little miniature stove with a little miniature oven. Loved baking, still do.

SPEAKER_05 37:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:06

I am Denver Stevo. We need an e-meter app for the iPhone. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 37:11

Okay, now this is another crazy thing. Yeah. Because there's there's more ex-Scientologists than there are Scientologists that are auditing and going to the organization and paying money and all that.

SPEAKER_02 37:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 37:26

They have a digital e-meter app that you can download from the internet. And you can plug in the cans. You can do the whole thing. And so yeah, I don't know. People could be doing it as an app. I don't it would be silly to have it on the iPhone because you're not gonna make any money on that.

SPEAKER_02 37:44

Right.

SPEAKER_05 37:45

You could make it a game where you like zap every time you get a BT, you zap it with the biggest one. I did actually. I did I did use AI to make it. It was called what was it called?

SPEAKER_01 37:57

BT Hunter or BT Hunter. Yes. BT Hunter. Yep.

SPEAKER_05 38:01

It was pretty awesome. Anyway, somebody could do it.

SPEAKER_01 38:03

And it had really funny sound effects. So every time you zap the alien, it was like an alien squealing. Yeah, it was like it was pretty awesome. It was one night Mark couldn't sleep. I woke up the next morning. He's like, oh, I made this really cool BT Hunter game. Pro tip skip the cans and clip the leads directly on your earlobes. Well, no thanks. I'll pass, but appreciate the suggestion. Why are you going so high? I'm in the same way. Stop it. Oh, knock it off, buddy. Is Travolta still active in Scientology? Because I figured he'd probably distance himself. As far as I know as we know, yes, he is definitely.

SPEAKER_05 38:46

He's just at their last event. Scanner right next to Tommy Boy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:51

Isn't he one of the ones that they photoshopped out of the audience? Tony Ortega covered that. They definitely photoshopped Tom Cruise out. Yeah. And I'm pretty sure John Travolta as well. Anyway. Yeah. But he is still active, yes.

SPEAKER_04 39:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:05

Oh, Elron Fuddy Duddy again. Update from Target 2. I'm flick-flipping burgers to pay rent on the studio apartment I share with the Duke of Chug.

SPEAKER_05 39:13

Oh wow, this guy's deep, deep, deep. He's like talking about Chug is uh computer advice that L. Ron Hubbard wrote. And there's like a it's it's basically just like another Xenus story, but it's about this the Duke of Chug that was like this computer uh hacker dude. Yes. Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 39:33

Oh my god, Scientology is so nice work, Elron Fuddy Duddy. Thanks for uh the the uh rabbit hole. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 39:42

And what what there was somebody Okay, here you go.

SPEAKER_01 39:46

Okay. Joan, do they even let people who've heard about it before get to that level? They do, but not without like real investigation as to how they found out about it and what happened and you know, because if it if some if Billy Bob's Scientologist just was like, oh yeah, I was just Googling to see what it was about.

SPEAKER_05 40:08

No, no, no, it's you're not gonna have to. If you hear this is another thing, if you're in Scientology and you're gonna you plan on going back into the organization, don't say the word Xenu or body thetan. Don't don't even say space cootie. Keep you if you you're it's gonna cost you tens of thousands of dollars in interrogations to find out where you heard about that, even though you know you can just Google the word Scientology and then when the body thetan comes up about 150 times.

SPEAKER_01 40:36

Yeah, I mean look at the example of Leah Remini. She asked, where's Shelley Miscavige? And that cost her like forty thousand dollars just for even asking that question.

SPEAKER_05 40:45

Yeah. This is another good one, and and most likely true.

SPEAKER_01 40:49

Okay. Uh hold on, let me get back. I was just trying to pull up the name of the um replay crew winner from last week. Um what the I'll read it. Okay. Question. No, I got it. Question. Do you think that Kelly Preston and Chris Kirsty Alley deaths were faster because they tried to cure themselves?

SPEAKER_05 41:08

Um It's likely.

SPEAKER_01 41:10

Yeah, it is very likely.

SPEAKER_05 41:11

100% be a factor because L. Ron Hubbard said that if you get rid of these cancerous body thitans, that will cure your cancer. And there's many people who have ailments in Scientology, and Scientology tells them to donate as much money so they can get up the the bridge to total freedom and do their next step so that they can get to the step where they're going to get rid of their cancerous body thitens.

SPEAKER_02 41:37

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 41:37

So this is the same thing as in the Sea Org. In the Sea Org, you're just tired and achy all the time. That's just that's detent. That's uh that's that's the standard preset for a Sea Org member. Right. Tired, hungry, and achy.

SPEAKER_02 41:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 41:51

Um and and uh and uh irritated. Oh yeah, yeah, exactly. If you're all those things, you get easily irritated.

SPEAKER_01 42:01

Yeah. But a Scientologist with a a cancer diagnosis will prioritize fixing it with Scientology over medical treatment, re medical recommendations any day of the week, and that is where it's problematic.

SPEAKER_05 42:14

Aaron Powell Because that's the way they're taught.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

That's right.

SPEAKER_05 42:17

So I don't think that I don't know that it is making them get the cancer faster, but it's definitely not doing anything to change anything they're doing with the cancer, the Scientology aspect of it as. I mean, I'm sure that diet and exercise and and maybe if you need to do radiation or chemotherapy or whatever, I'm sure any one of those would help them much more than use sitting on the e-meter trying to track down frickin' clusters of the yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:47

Not to mention the fact the stress of all the tens of thousands of dollars.

unknown 42:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:53

Okay, then you just tens of thousands of dollars they have to spend to get that auditing.

SPEAKER_05 43:00

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. I think I just messed up your other camera though.

SPEAKER_01 43:05

You just yanked my chair a foot. You didn't think it would have any impact.

SPEAKER_05 43:10

Oh, I moved it. I know why I moved it now. I moved it because of the um of this camera rig. So that we wouldn't see this in your shot.

SPEAKER_01 43:19

Let me see my shot now.

SPEAKER_05 43:20

It's fine. You don't see it in that the wide shot, but you just see it. It's not the it's not the end of the world. But and I didn't want it in there. Anyway, that was a great question.

SPEAKER_01 43:29

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 43:30

And true. Okay, here we go.

SPEAKER_01 43:34

Okay. Gabriella. Question off topic. Sorry. After leaving Scientology, did you find other beliefs or are you atheists?

SPEAKER_05 43:43

I wouldn't say we're atheists. I just say that we don't really, we're not really hip to organized religion.

SPEAKER_01 43:50

Not really? Like, hell no. Ain't going anywhere near any organized religion for the rest of my life. I would say um recovering from 30 years in a cult. Um but but no I I don't consider myself an atheist either. I I I absolutely think that you know I I just prefer to subscribe to whatever I don't know. That's okay. I'm open to hearing other perspectives and beliefs, but it's totally okay with me that I don't know what happens when we die. And therefore I'd much rather focus on doing good with the days and weeks and months that I have that are in my control. And you know.

SPEAKER_05 44:31

Amen.

SPEAKER_01 44:31

There you go.

SPEAKER_05 44:33

Okay. Um this is a good one.

SPEAKER_01 44:37

Uh super weekend warriors. What about the negative impacts of the electric charge going through the body for years?

SPEAKER_05 44:44

It's it's literally it's a micro. You could you could you could put those cans, just put them on your tongue. You wouldn't even feel it. It's nothing. A nine-volt battery is like a thousand times more than what whatever's going through there.

SPEAKER_02 44:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:59

Old techie's probably going to be like, ah, now it's 87.42 is the actual amount.

SPEAKER_01 45:04

It's please know, old techie, he's saying that with love, not with anything else.

SPEAKER_05 45:09

It's a million times or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 45:12

Yeah, it's it's not it's nominal, even over thousands of hours of auditing. I think that's fair to say.

SPEAKER_05 45:19

Yeah. Okay. Ooh. Oh, here's a good one. This is, I mean, this is like a same thing.

SPEAKER_01 45:24

Greetings, Mr. and Mrs. Headley. Question. Am I right to say that someone like Tom Cruise or John Travolta wouldn't go to the rehabilitation project force in case of a rock slam? Yes, you're absolutely right. But the reason for that is that they're not members of the C organization. Those are the billion-year.

SPEAKER_05 45:43

Those are the billion-year guys.

SPEAKER_01 45:44

Civilian Scientologists, even if they have a rock slam, they don't they're not sent to the rehabilitation project force.

SPEAKER_05 45:51

But they will have to do a lot of counseling to find out exactly what's behind that little uh Rocky Rocky McRock slammer.

SPEAKER_01 45:58

Yes, exactly, for sure. Great question.

SPEAKER_05 46:01

Yeah. Oh, you know, we could actually show that.

unknown 46:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:06

We should do that.

Floating Needle Vs Rock Slam

SPEAKER_05 46:07

But I'm gonna put that up real quick because people wanted us to show different needle reactions, but we couldn't because that other meter was dead.

SPEAKER_02 46:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:14

So let's just see if you can if you guys can see that. Here let me put me back over here. There you go.

SPEAKER_00 46:20

There you go.

SPEAKER_05 46:21

So it's hard to do a floating needle, but if it was just like that's pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 46:25

If it just kind of rhythmic sweep of the dial at a slow, even pace of the needle, back and forth, back and forth. That's the paraphrase definition of a floating needle. So it's like this.

SPEAKER_05 46:39

And it uh Yeah, this is a little jerky just because it's hard to do like this. Oh, I can do this sensitivity low, and then it would Yeah, we don't have a read simulator. Anyway, it goes back like that. But a rock slam, a rock slam.

SPEAKER_01 46:55

Put it on all the way up on sensitivity. Rock slam would be something like slashing erratic back and forth.

SPEAKER_05 47:04

That would be like a rock slam.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

But like that times ten is supposed to be what it is, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 47:09

That would be like what a so you're sitting there on the cans and the needle is doing that. And then they sign if you if that happens, if you're an auditor in Scientology, this is like Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_01 47:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 47:21

When you see this, you're seeing something.

SPEAKER_01 47:24

The craziest thing is that sometimes you can actually even hear the needle slamming. Slamming against the auditor and the person on the cans. You can hear.

SPEAKER_05 47:34

Yeah, let's be quiet. Maybe we can.

SPEAKER_01 47:38

Well, you're hearing the knob, but you can hear it.

SPEAKER_05 47:43

Oh, shush your mouth.

SPEAKER_01 47:45

Shush your mouth. What's your step, honey?

SPEAKER_05 47:49

You can hear it. Listen. Yeah, you can hear it. Good. Get your headphones on, guys. Anyway, so that's what a rock slam looks like. Now, this is a good point. This is good. I uh this is what I wanted to do originally. So if you have the needle, it's floating, then that means you're done with whatever you're doing. So if you were confessing to something, that's done now. You don't have to do anymore. It's the confession is over. And if it if you're doing a whole bunch of processes in an in a session and then it's doing that, then that could mean the end of the session. Right?

SPEAKER_01 48:29

Okay, so if it's floating back, or the end of whatever the current thing that you're doing, and now you're going on to the next.

SPEAKER_05 48:35

It's a good point to stop the session. Yeah, you've been in session for like an hour and a half.

SPEAKER_01 48:39

You can't stop a session until you have a floating needle.

SPEAKER_05 48:42

Exactly. So now there's a thing called floating TA.

SPEAKER_02 48:47

Right.

SPEAKER_05 48:47

Okay, and that's when the so when it's swinging back and forth, it's just on the dial.

SPEAKER_02 48:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 48:52

It's not no one's moving this. You're holding the cans is moving this. Now, sometimes you could have a floating needle that is so big that it doesn't stay on the dial. And then the person has to ride the TA back and forth to keep the needle on the dial. Right. And that's called floating TA. And floating TA is basically like your shit don't stick no more. You're like, you're the shit. It's like, whoa, dude, this guy's floating mile high. Now, for me in Scientology, if you've read my book, you know this. But I went to a depeche mode concert in Pasadena at the Rose Bowl, and my friend Jesse and I were front row center for the biggest depeche mode concert in the god dang world. And whenever I would be on the e-meter and they'd be asking me questions, I just think about that depeche mode concert. And I would, there were many times when not only would I get floating needles, I floating needle, that's that's that's chunk change. I could go get floating TA from thinking about that. So I don't know what's going on in there, but that's how I did it, and it worked good for me.

SPEAKER_01 50:05

Anyway, um, shout out to Ian Rafalco has joined us. Yay! Good to see you. Oh, here we go.

SPEAKER_05 50:12

He's got a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 50:14

Okay, there's a procedure for rock slam checks, but it's just yanking out the cable with your thumb silently and seeing if it's defective. Yes, exactly. So anytime a rock slam starts, the very first thing you do is um you check the meter. So you disconnect the the cans from the e-meter and those cans over here. I threw them over there.

SPEAKER_05 50:34

Good job.

SPEAKER_01 50:34

Yeah. Anyway, but yeah.

SPEAKER_05 50:36

Plug in right there. You just basically unplug the cans from this little connector and then plug them back in.

SPEAKER_01 50:41

And like most of the time, at least that I saw when someone had a rock slam, when they went to do that check, the meter, it was the meter, it was faulty and it would keep rock slamming, in which case then you that's why that's also the reason why you have to always have a spare meter in every auditing session. You have two meters, so that if that happens, you can just, oh, whoops, we've got a faulty meter, let's swap it out.

SPEAKER_03 51:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:07

Um, but anyway, as as you said, the last time we talked about this and that procedure, it doesn't always replicate, even if the meter is faulty.

SPEAKER_05 51:15

Yeah, and here's where you can't have 10-year-olds making these things. Right. Because if they don't know how to solder or they plugged in the connector a little loose, or any one of a million things that went into making these old ones, they would rock slam or I bet you now that these are made in a factory in Taiwan, they ain't rock slamming as much as they used to.

SPEAKER_03 51:38

I go on an eliminate.

SPEAKER_05 51:39

I don't know. But either way, this um any one of these parts could go bad and create a rock slam.

SPEAKER_01 51:46

Right. But conversely, these were sitting on in a storage unit on a shelf for what eight, nine years before they were released. So the chances of them getting dusty in there, and that's also what part of what causes the rock slam too. Well, we'll see.

SPEAKER_05 52:05

Yeah. Here's another this is a great one from the question: is there a way to force a floating needle?

SPEAKER_01 52:11

Like, think of something happy. Mark just answered that question, Matt. Yes, there is.

SPEAKER_05 52:16

I mean, that worked for me.

SPEAKER_01 52:18

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_05 52:20

And I mean, it worked for the all the years.

SPEAKER_01 52:24

I've seen I've heard a bunch of people say that that a similar thing worked for them. That was just, you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_05 52:31

Yeah. But see, I wasn't paying for this. I wasn't getting Scientology. I was being interrogated.

SPEAKER_02 52:37

Right.

SPEAKER_05 52:38

Not 90% of the times I was on an e-meter. I was being asked questions.

SPEAKER_02 52:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 52:44

I did whatever auditing I did with Tom Cruise. And a lot of that was, I think some of that was on the meter, but some of that was just uh walking around doing stuff processes. What do you call it?

SPEAKER_01 52:54

Which is what they call objective processes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 52:57

So it was both. But we were definitely on the meter. Oh, I don't did I ever tell when I was being audited by Tom Cruise on the e-meter, I fell asleep.

SPEAKER_02 53:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 53:09

Like in the middle of him asking. It was one of these ones where they just say, they're just asking you questions over and over again, and you don't have to answer with your mouth. You're just you're just thinking about it, and then they're and then the auditor, the counselor, is just looking at the meter to see if something is there as they ask a question. Like basically, if your needle's just sitting there and doing nothing, just kind of moving around slowly, and then they're asking you this question, and it goes, then they go, ooh, that's the thing. We got to find out what that is. So he was just asking me a long list of questions, and um, and I was like, this might seem like a good time for a nap. Yeah. And uh just kind of and I snore when I sleep. I snore. Oh my gosh, do you ever have a deviated septum? Um, I I have had sleep apnea study, and I do not have sleep apnea, but I definitely have a deviated septum. And in our room at night, this is the funniest thing. We have two dogs that snore and a cat that snores.

SPEAKER_02 54:07

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 54:08

And a dad that snores. So there's at least four snores going on in our room.

SPEAKER_01 54:14

At one point, Mark was like, I don't snore. So the next time he started snoring, I just whipped out my iPhone and started recording it. I'm like, uh, beg to differ. Claire. Oh, Trevanon. Claire, did you have a s a thing similar to Mark thinking back being at the DePach Mode concert? So unfortunately, I never got to go to any good concerts. I know, but it could be any. I know, I know. If I if I could be eating an ice cream. No, but if I would have gotten to gone to gotten to go to an aha concert, then I might have that. Unfortunately, my parents only ever took me to Bonnie Raitt. I was never a huge fan of these terrible.

SPEAKER_05 54:50

So you're saying there were no moments that you could pull from that were powerful enough.

SPEAKER_01 54:57

No, you know, and definitely I would not think about my childhood. I would avoid that at all costs. But I would say that my hack was more like uh um med closest to just a meditative state of mind.

SPEAKER_03 55:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:10

If you just feel like just shut out all the noise and just feel zen for a moment. And I could do that on command. Oh, okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:19

I bet you that I bet you every single Scientologist has something that they do. Yeah, for sure. Which is kind of crazy if you think of it. Because every person that I've talked to will be like, oh yeah, I totally did that. Every single ex-scientologist is like, yeah, just think happy thoughts, man.

SPEAKER_01 55:34

Yeah, because because you know, that is kind of the the contradiction. Like you think, oh, well, you know, people want to get auditing, but then when you're stuck there and it's going to keep going until you have a floating needle.

SPEAKER_05 55:47

Yeah, that's exactly what I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:49

Sometimes, even if you're not getting an interrogation, like even when the Tom Cruise are doing whatever, it's repetitive commands. I mean, but getting to be done when you go when there's hope that, oh, we're done.

SPEAKER_01 56:03

Even just the thought of, oh, I'll be I'll feel happy if we can come to the end and be like, oh, your needle is floating. That's right.

SPEAKER_05 56:10

And then you're like, now it really is, because we don't have to do this anymore. Yeah. There's a lot of good questions here today.

SPEAKER_01 56:17

Yes, question. Megan is a cat. Do Scientologists ever bring their own e-meter to auditing sessions, or do they just use the e-meters at the org?

Who Buys E-Meters And Where Money Goes

SPEAKER_01 56:26

Yeah, that's a good question. So um, when you're training to become a counselor, you have to have your own you have to have two e-meters. But the org, the organization has e-meters in the auditing room. So those are what's used when you go in for a counseling session. But when you're doing solo auditing, i.e., you know, telepathically communicating with your body thitans to find them and release and evict them, then you're using your own e-meter. So hopefully that answers your question there.

SPEAKER_05 56:55

Yeah, but then also if you were if you went into the org and you were gonna do a session with somebody else, and the org didn't have enough e-meters in all the rooms, because sometimes the orgs only have 10 e-meters.

SPEAKER_02 57:07

Right.

SPEAKER_05 57:08

So they don't have enough for everyone to use them if they're coming in. So they you use yours in the course room, and sometimes you would use yours if you were doing something at the organization, auditing somebody, you would use your own e-meter.

SPEAKER_01 57:18

Yeah. And by the way, the organizations have to purchase them just like everybody else does.

SPEAKER_05 57:23

Oh, yeah, they're paying for it.

SPEAKER_01 57:25

It's not like they're provided.

SPEAKER_05 57:27

I don't think they pay the full $5,000, but they do pay a lot. Yeah. It's at least it's at least $2,500 or $3,000 or something like that that the organization has to pay. Because Golden Era still needs to make their money. Right. In Scientology, the money is just taken out of one pocket and putting it together. When you do something.

SPEAKER_01 57:46

Didn't the organization even have to purchase them to then sell them to the public? Yes. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 57:51

So you could have um an organization gets in a hundred dollars. A percentage of that goes to Religious Technology Center, no matter what, a percentage of that goes to author services for royalties for L. Ron Hubbard for using his name and likeness and tech and writings. And then money goes to ant management, money goes to FLAG, money goes to all these places just automatically for every dollar that you spend in Scientology. And it and it's gone at the the organization doesn't get a large percentage of that money. Most of the money's gone by the time it's left over for them.

SPEAKER_01 58:29

Yeah, which by the way, somebody I maybe it was Catherine, but somebody said recently for a little bit they were doing staff pay on direct deposit, but they stopped that and it went back to uh you know a nominal amount for yeah. Anyway, Catherine, I had a floating needle when I was reading and watching all sorts of stuff on YouTube about what's really going on in Scientology. There you go. The truth shall set you free.

SPEAKER_05 58:53

And give you floating needles if you if you Yeah, it's like all of a sudden now it makes sense. I was just gonna say that. There's so many secrets in Scientology when you're in it, that if you hear and that's the gossip that goes around Scientologists, they go, Oh, you know, I heard Debbie Cook didn't go to this place, she's now in Texas doing this, or you know, they that spreads around the whisper well in Scientology. And so if somebody says, Oh my gosh, did you see the South Park thing, I think that might be what OT3 is. People that aren't at that level.

SPEAKER_01 59:27

But but in reality, a Scientologist in good standing would never have that conversation.

SPEAKER_05 59:31

I know, but there's a lot of Scientologists watching this.

SPEAKER_01 59:34

But there's always there's always also the risk, like, can you trust Billy Bob to have this conversation or is he gonna write a knowledge report on me, you know? Anyway, whatever. That's the sad part. Joan, when do you think a new e-meter will get released?

Hubbard’s “Next” E-Meter Concept

SPEAKER_01 59:49

Gotta be a lot of cash to be earned.

SPEAKER_05 59:50

Yeah, so here's the thing. In L. Ron Hubbard's mansion, there is another e-meter that was made. And it doesn't have any connectors. It doesn't have any um cans or electrodes. It's n none of that. And and this I got the tour from Annie Tidman of L. Ron Hubbard's house.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:12

And she was in peace, Annie.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:14

Yeah, and she was one of his messengers that was with him the most of any other messenger, one of his little assistant girls.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:22

And she was started when she was like twelve or thirteen.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:25

And she outlived him. But even in the in the la his last years where he was sick and dying, she was with him during that entire time. And he uh uh he wrote to have this thing made and this meter would pick up the aliens and do things just on its own.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:48

Without the need for a physical human body.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:51

Yes. So this is an e-meter. This was this was an e-meter that you could use after you had exited your your your coil, your your body. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:09

Yeah, he was now that he no longer had a human body.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:12

Yes. Yes. So that is the next meter technology. There is the meter that they have now, they they could put a smaller circuit board in it that does the exact same thing. I'm sure that it could be the size of a coaster. The amount of stuff that that thing's doing. It's like just a few microprocessors and a charging board.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:31

But um I mean it's it's not gonna they're not gonna come out with another one. This is it.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:36

If they do come out with another one, it's just gonna have dumb features that came up that they should have put in that one. Yeah, maybe a new USB port.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:44

Yeah, I'm sure David Miscavige would love to come out with a new e-meter, because you're right, it is a great source of income for them. But well, I guess we'll see. Okay. At blown for good, what do you think? How many years does does Scientology have left? Now the kids are storming them and are not afraid.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:03

Yeah, I don't I don't know that the people in Scientology hear about a lot of that stuff just because they're told not to read about bad stuff on the internet. I'm sure they're aware of whatever goes around and stuff. They they they're they they're they want to know, they're looking around.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:23

Um but I think until they stop getting their own kids in, they've got enough people in there that are popping out enough kids that their kids are getting in. And if in even at the international headquarters in the sea organization, almost all of the people that are in the sea organization are children of Scientologists. Right. Or child or grandchildren of Scientologists. So it's been it's been around since the 50s now. So you've got like Scientology and the 70 years of generations of people that are getting their kids into it, and then they're, you know, they that's all they know. They don't know anything outside of that world that uh how it would be not to be in Scientology.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:09

Yeah. I would much rather see focus on the current strategy of involving kids, newly that as of March of this year, they put out these two new sets of books specifically targeting children. Uh, I would much prefer to see a lot more focus on that because it should be illegal to involve children and cults, especially when it comes to Scientology.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:30

Yeah.

Lockouts Silver Cert And Tracking Users

SPEAKER_01 1:03:31

Olga, isn't there a safeguard on the new e-meters now where it won't work unless Scientology unlocks something in it?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:38

Yeah. So we talked about this in the in the last video, but there's basically a little timer built into the e-meter that will go for a certain amount of time and then it has to be silver, what's called silver certified.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:51

Which is how they used to do it with the old ones, but you'd have to send them in. Well, on this new one, you have to actually plug it into your computer and you go to a website.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:01

And you have to have your user credentials.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:04

Yeah, you can't just yeah, you can't just you can't just log in as Billy.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:08

So so how come this one doesn't have it, but that one does does. Uh-huh. So pray tell, honey. Yeah. Spill the beans.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:16

We have another e-meter that we have here, and that one does have the lockout, and I'm working on that right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:23

But so more to come.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:25

Yeah, we'll see what if there's any developments there.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:27

Fill you in. If if there's a small sudden explosion in our podcast studio, you'll hear about it. No, it's not. I know, I know. I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:36

But um, but so if you don't hook do that hookup, that's also a way for them to check in on you. Are how what are you doing? It's basically a way for them to capture a Scientology identity that that has to reconnect to them every every year, I think it is, or every two years, whatever the period is.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:54

And then if you don't check in, then your meter stops working. And it says on the e-meter dial, I would show you the other one, but the other one has identifying features that would narrow down possibly where that one came from, even though it could have come from a storage unit, it actually could have come from a storage unit as well. But regardless, um we could have won it in a random auction. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:21

We could have found it in a nearby dumpster.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:23

That's true. Um, or somebody could have just sent it to us in the mail. But that one actually says right on it. It does not, it's not operational. It has a full charge, it fires up, and when you turn it on, it says please connect to Hubbardemeter.org.org or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:42

And um yeah.

New Children’s Books And Indoctrination

SPEAKER_01 1:05:45

So by the way, as long as we're um as just a a final thought on the latest strategy of Scientology to lure and recruit innocent children, I thought I'd mention, I've been trying to get a set of those. Books. Multiple different people have been trying to help me. And every single time we place an order, not with anybody's name, it just gets canceled by Bridge Publications.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:13

Well then what what the hell?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:15

I know. Don't know. Anyway, so if anybody out there listening has access to get those books, please send me an email. And you're talking about the newest children's books for Scientologists. Targeting children as young as seven. Because I thought it would be interesting to to do a deep dive in those.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:35

We could compare them to the to the what L. Ron Hubbard wrote.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:43

Right. But we, as being that both of us were born and raised in Scientology, you know, uh we we understand the how those materials are intended to um break down normal.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:59

Yeah, but basically what they do and basically what they do with these books is that if you're a parent of you're in Scientology and you're a parent, each one of these books is a module that you will use in your life that will replace whatever you would do in the regular world. Right. So if there's a way to punish your children and how to put penalties on them and make them work for the family and contribute, you take that, that's your new parenting module.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:30

That's what I thought would be really good to kind of break down the indoctrination and the parts of it that are super dangerous when it comes to Scientology in relation to uh uh to children. So anyway, just thought I would mention that because things I've mentioned lately have we've we've received all kinds of helpful suggestions. So if you have any helpful suggestions of how I could get my hands on those books, pray tell. All right. Okay, oh sorry, I I wasn't paying attention.

State Pressure Danny Masterson And Precedent

SPEAKER_01 1:07:59

Um question. Do you think that if one U.S. state took action against Scientology, there would be a knock-on effect? What is the most realistic thing a state could do that would actually have an effect? Yeah, that is a very good question.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:13

Well, that's the reason why Scientology is really, really worried about this Danny Masterson case. Because this case, even though Danny Masterson got convicted and he went to jail for whatever for the things that he did, he is a proxy of Scientology. And basically Scientology is also being convicted in their eyes in this Danny Masterson case.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:37

And that's why they're trying to undo and David Miscavige is incredibly unhappy that I was allowed to testify as an expert witness on Scientology in that case. And so I'm I'm one of the primary attack points.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:52

Yeah, we get we we hear about it all the time.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:55

We sure do.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:56

But even in that case, that sets a precedent that Scientology stuck up for one of their members. They knew about what happened. They did, and that's and they whitewashed the whole thing and they tried to make it go away.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:13

As they do.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:14

Yeah, as they do with everything that happens like this. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:17

So this is this is they're trying to cry like, oh, you can't have any involvement. It's like, no, crimes were reported to you.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:26

Written documents. Uh so that absolutely has to do with um, you know, being complicit in a crime and not reporting it to the appropriate agencies.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:36

It also highlighted their connection with the LAPD and how they were able to even assist or even promote that the LAPD make this thing kind of go away. They get alerted when somebody comes in and says something bad about Scientology so that they can send in, they can get to work right away on spinning how this is all nonsense.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:57

Falk Buddy said, Little Davy hates you, Claire, because you are taller than him. Yes, I am. I'm I'm sure that's not the cause of the hate in this instance, but fair comment.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:11

Our 13-year-old's taller than him. Come on, guys.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:13

Our 13-year-old is taller than me. Yeah, but I'm not even small, and I'm the smallest person in my house. I'm 5'7. Come on now. It's unfair.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:22

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:24

So they are that is a big thing. If every time they lose a lawsuit or a Scientologist is convicted of a crime, or Scientology was the one benefiting from the crime. Um, like when they had that thing with um Reed Slatkin, Reed Slatkin was the first person to make a Ponzi scheme that was bigger than the original Ponzi guy. And since then there have been other ones, but um but it was a very it was in the hundreds of millions of dollars that this guy's basically stole. And mostly he stole from Scientologists, which

Giveaway Updates And Community Notes

SPEAKER_05 1:11:00

is the craziest thing in the world. So he had no scruples about uh screwing over Davy Boy and all his people.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:07

Um okay. Are we gonna do he's 413? There's a bunch of people asking how tall he is in the comments. He's 4'13, 4'13 inches. I like to say 413 because it sounds better than 5'1.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:18

Yeah. Okay. There you go. Um Mark's favorite height comment of all time.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:24

413, baby.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:25

Um okay by the way, we are doing a giveaway at the end of this um episode, and I wanted to take a moment to announce our replay giveaway from our last live, which is Helen Wood 8979. I will put a comment on there, but at Helen Woods, I think it's Woods. Uh anyway, I'll I'll um comment, but make a community post so they know or something.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:48

We'll put in the video.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:49

I'll write under her comment.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:51

Oh, perfect. Good thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:52

Uh shoot me an email if you're watching.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:55

Okay, we got another another few comments.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:56

Oh, David. Hey from Memphis. Ever cross paths

Isaac Hayes On A Hubbard Script

SPEAKER_01 1:12:00

with Isaac Hayes?

SPEAKER_05 1:12:01

Many, many, many times.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:03

Wasn't he in one of the films?

SPEAKER_05 1:12:04

He was. We shot a film with him on the fit main film unit that I was part of. I was the shoot crew tree shoot cut shoot crew chief, which is equivalent to like the first and assistant director or second assistant director, and they're both mixed together. Um and I we to he was awesome. Isaac Hayes was an awesome dude. He didn't really know that much about Scientology.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:27

He was never fanatical about Scientology.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:30

And he did very he was not, I think he wasn't even clear. I don't remember. It took a long time for him to get doing anything in terms of courses, and they just he just wanted to be there and people love on him. And um, and they would pay, we paid him uh to do things, and he he did concerts and he did a ton of stuff in Scientology in the performer world, but not so much in the doing Scientology courses and counseling world.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:58

Um, but he did um oh my gosh, I've seen Isaac Hayes do shaft in person, just sitting right there many, many times, and he was amazing. I mean, in terms of a musical artist.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:14

Um, and then we did the film with him, and then we did we did shot him at celebrity center events and interviewed him for lots of different things, and he was a very cool guy. But the thing I want to say is he had to read a script from L. Ron Hubbard, and he was standing on a platform in the middle of space. Okay, this is the movie, it's called TR5 YTRs, what training routines, and he basically is giving the message that you have to learn as much about Scientology in the here and now and know it so well that when you're born on another planet and you're you start growing up on the other planet, you can teach that planet about Scientology. And so there's a young boy that was this is I know where you're going with this. There was a young actress, uh young actor who played the boy who learned Scientology in his last life and then taught a whole planet Scientology. I mean, we're talking like they're in there, it's caveman Mars guys, and he's teaching them um Scientology and how to do auditing and how to do counseling and everything in Scientology in another language in an alien language. And that actor was Johnny Lewis, the Scientologist who unalived himself and unalived his elderly grand uh grandmother landlord. Um and um yeah, he was the main, it was him as the boy, Johnny Lewis, and then Isaac Hayes was the narrator. That was just the name of his part, was narrator. And he's on this space platform. He says a little bit, you better know everything about Scientology, and then it cuts to Johnny teaching people in the sand, you know. About the ARC triangle and things like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:09

Yeah, no, I literally, as you were talking, I had a flashback of that scene in the movie. I'm like, oh yeah, I remember that. Anyway, and then the sad part is that that is the in one of the many insidious parts of Scientology is because you do Chinese school chanting of things over and over. Like even if we wanted to forget, we uh I don't think it's baked in.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:31

It's hard-coded.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:34

I wish I could forget.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:36

We do forget some things, but then we easily remember between the two of us.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:40

And between our our amazing community of chatters, too, like the people that comment and it all comes flooding back.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:46

So anyway, the one last thing I wanted to say about Isaac Hayes was that it was murder for him to read this script by Oren Hubbard. He could not read it. And he would mess it up, or he'd add lib, or he'd reverse words, or he it was we we it was hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of takes that we had to splice or mix or do. It was a nightmare to get everything out of him because he's just reading all this f weird fuddy-duddy stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:19

And that was written, you know, eons ago.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:22

Isaac could not memorize it. That was done. There was no way he knew his lines. We had to have teleprompter.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:29

And even with the teleprompters he was on the struggle bus.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:32

Even with the teleprompters, nearly impossible to get a take of the whole dialogue in one take without stumbling, mixing up words.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:42

And so here's And I'm sure he was word cleared on it.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:45

Oh, he did the all he sposedly spent a week just word clearing the script.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:50

So that's where you look up every single definition in the text that and you read it out loud until you can do so without any reaction, any flinks, any like yawn, any anything.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:03

So in Scientology, if you're reading something and you stumble, Scientologists automatically think that you don't know the words that you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:13

Or you have a misunderstood word because otherwise you wouldn't stumble.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:17

That's right.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:18

So you can't have a film that teaches you about Scientology and the dude talking is stumbling. So it was a murder. It was, I mean, we had a certain amount of days that we were supposed to be able to shoot with him, and we burned that up with not even getting that much done at all. And Tommy Davis at that time was his handler. And so he was just standing around hanging out on set, talking on, going out and talking on the phone and that. But he was the liaison to Isaac, even though Isaac did was did all the things with Golden Arrow with the band and everything. So we all knew Isaac anyway. So we're like, what is Tommy doing? We don't, we don't Tommy is just basically that was Tommy Davis's job. He would hang out with celebrities.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:59

Yeah. If they were doing anything that was going to affect scientists, in 2004, Tommy Davis was literally Tom Cruise's assistant.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:06

Yeah. Crazy talk.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:08

Crazy, crazy.

Live Giveaway And Closing Thanks

SPEAKER_05 1:18:10

Okay. Should we do some ways of the givea?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:12

Yeah. Let's do some giveaways.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:15

Giveaways. Let me see if I can do that. If I did this right.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:17

All right. Here we go, folks.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:19

Oh, yeah, I did. Look at that. Damn, I'm good. Just ask me. I'll tell you. Um, we got seven.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:24

As our son likes to respond to that. Uh no one's asking.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:28

No one's asking. The first time he dropped that, we were dying. It was a whole crew. It was a whole crew. And I said it.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:36

Damn I'm good. Just ask me. I'll tell you.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:39

And and our kids have heard you say that thousands of times.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:41

And literally, he goes, Good thing no one's asking. And we it was like 10 of us.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:48

Gotta love teenagers. Oh my boy.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:51

Um if you if you make a comment, any comment, you're automatically entered in to win a giveaway.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:57

Yeah, so if you've been hanging out, not commenting, just jam it in there. Three seconds right here. Can be whatever you still get a chance.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:04

And and at the end of the video, when the the end ad is rolling, the outro, I like to put up just rando comments from the the from the chat that I didn't get to.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:15

Yeah, exactly. We try to get to get to them all, but so many people have great comments and great questions, and we really appreciate the comments.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:22

Any comment.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:24

Any comment. There you go. See, Trev's got the right idea. Any comments. People are people are you could just write comment. Comment.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:33

Rando comment.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:34

There you go. Perfect. You got the idea. It's a comment for no reason.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:40

Okay. Then after all that, one of two.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:44

I love the enthusiasm though. You know what? We all had a good laugh, so who cares? Here it goes. We're doing it.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:50

Now listen, I gotta make a disclaimer. The dogs are going wild out there.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:54

I know. I just heard that.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:55

Um barking at the rain.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:56

Uh OSA has arrived to retrieve their e-meter.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:59

If the internet goes out, they're jamming up our signal, guys. Um okay. Yeah, it's really going wild out there. Okay, we get two big dogs. When someone comes, they get to get in. Oh, yeah. Um this is a StreamYard giveaway tool. StreamYard is the platform which we use to stream on. It sends it to YouTube and the X and the all the different places. Now, we didn't make this tool. We just use it.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:24

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:25

So if Claire or I win, that's why. Yeah. Okay, I just want to make this disclaimer because a lot of times people we know are getting these things.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:32

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:32

Okay, here it is. Oh, oh footy daddy. I saw funny. And Denver Steve O was in there, I think, too. Oh, oh my gosh, it was so close.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:42

Congratulations.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:44

Kathy Friand, 5275.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:47

Congratulations, Kathy. Send me an email, Claire at blownforgood.com with your preference of a Mike or Leah Remedy Bobblehead. Mike Render or Leah Remedy Bobblehead. There we go. Awesome.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:00

Good job. If I don't win, it's rigged.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:04

There you go. She was one of the last. Catherine has won before too. I've won before. The one time I was I was out of town and jumped into the chat to support you in my absence. I won. I was like, oh my goodness. Anyway.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:19

Clara. I guess it's rigged.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:22

Japan of Green Gables. It's rigged, but she's excited too. Yeah, there we go.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:29

Okay, awesome, guys. Um, did we we did it all? You announced last week's winner.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:33

Yep, I did.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:34

In the after chat or what uh the replay crew or whatever they call themselves. Um made it to the end, folks.

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SPEAKER_01 1:21:53

We do pay attention. We have a a a working list of topics we're planning to cover too coming up. Uh so that'll be some interesting things.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:02

Yeah, but we want to know what you guys want to know about. We try to give enough stuff that's kind of not people who know about Scientology. We try to do it, we try to dumb uh smarten it up, actually. Yeah. It's already dumb. Uh we have to smarten it up enough for people to do that.

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We start to remove we try to remove the convolutions so that, you know, set set aside the logic, but it's just oh, I get it. Okay. That's right.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:27

And then we also try to tell things that Scientologists would want to know about. Because really those are the people that we're trying to reach to let them know this is just giant scam and you shouldn't be wasting your time or money. It's literally the most common thing we hear from people is I wish I would have left sooner. Because you're just the time is you can't the time is your most valuable commodity that you can't buy time. Nope. So and you can't get it back. And Scientology is a giant time suck, but it's also a giant money suck. So you definitely could just get more money, but you can't get more time. So every single person that leaves Scientology to a T always says, I wish I would have left earlier. I wish I would have stopped this.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:16

And as we've said, every single person that watches and gets out, it makes it all worthwhile for us. And and something we're deeply committed to. And the whole team at the Michael J. Render Aftermath Foundation is deeply committed to because people need to know that they can get out. It's never too late.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:34

Aaron Powell Exactly. So there's plenty of people in Scientology that don't need our help. Right. They they are already well-to-do, or they they just walk away. They can just walk away. Their family's not involved, or they their family could be uninvolved with them right away. So but the C org members, specifically C org members, that don't their entire family is in the C organization. Their entire families in Scientology. Their parents have passed away, or whatever the scenario is, a large majority of those people specifically don't have the resources to leave, they don't have a way to leave, they don't have anybody they can contact to that's outside of the Scientology bubble. So the Michael J. Rinder Aftermath Foundation is mainly there for them. And then there's also the case of the regular Scientologist who their whole family might be in and because they left the way they left or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:32

Yeah. And the staff members who staff members as well.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:35

So there's levels of no resources. Anyone who needs any help leaving, we are there to help them, whatever their situation. A lot of times people just call for advice on this is my scenario, um, this is what I want to do. Is there anything about that that's gonna cause some friction? And then we help them navigate the easiest way in their scenario to do that so that they don't lose contact with their family or they don't lose contact with their children, or however it is, the people that they still do want to be connected to that might happen to be in Scientology, there is a way to do it without losing contact with those if you know exactly how to navigate that scenario.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:18

So between all of the knowledge of the people on the board and our volunteers and maybe even their friends or family, we're able to find out what's the best thing, what's the best thing that prescription for this person that we could kind of tell them do it these steps, and we think you'll be okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:35

Exactly.

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