Scientology Will Not Change - Secrets of Scientology - Live Q&A #13

The scariest part about talking openly isn’t the haters, it’s how many people still inside quietly listen because they can’t safely ask questions where they are. Marc and I share the kinds of messages we get from “under the radar” Scientologists: what their local orgs look like right now, how empty things feel, and how the constant push to buy updated materials turns belief into a never-ending bill. We also talk about why these notes matter, because they confirm something we’ve seen for decades: the behavior doesn’t fade, it just gets repackaged.

We dig into the control system that keeps people stuck, from family pressure and disconnection to the way status and donations have become the real currency under David Miscavige. We discuss disturbing reports around reproductive coercion, and we explain why Scientology’s new push toward children, including books aimed at kids as young as seven, deserves serious scrutiny. Claire also previews an upcoming deep dive with Anne Gollert Hill, whose linguistics background can help unpack how these materials shape a child’s thinking and compliance.

From there we zoom out to the machinery that keeps the Sea Org running: second-generation recruitment, foreign nationals brought in on religious worker visas, and the reality of labor that has nothing to do with religion. We also talk resources members are reading in secret, including Tony Ortega’s Underground Bunker, plus updates on HowdyCon and a must-watch documentary that shows how Scientology fractures families. And because community wins matter, we share the Disneyland trip we helped fund for Serge’s 50th birthday, along with listener Q and A on graduations, GEDs, trade school, and what life looks like after leaving.

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Transcript

Tech Glitches And Quick Reset

SPEAKER_00 0:26

Hey, hey, hey, welcome to the channel, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Blum for Good, Scientology Exposed. I'm joined today by my lovely wife, Claire.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Yay, yay, yay. Oh, I don't see myself on the screen, but that's okay.

SPEAKER_00 0:38

We got this thing, I'm telling you. We had some space cooties in the system. Um I hope we're not frozen. We uh we're frozen.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

Oh no. This is just beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

First day back. Everything's working great. Holy moly. Here, let me see if I can just put you on.

SPEAKER_01 0:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:00

See if you can talk. No, I have no camera. That's your camera.

SPEAKER_03 1:06

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_00 1:07

Wow, this is just gonna be a great stream here. Can you stay logged in and keep oh no, you can't keep talking if I Holy moly. We had all this freaking out before we started, guys, and I thought we fixed it. We're gonna uh just listen. You can hear us.

SPEAKER_01 1:25

Yep, we're here.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

Well now they can't hear us either here. Let's just see. We're gonna reboot this switch switcher. You guys get to watch this real time here.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

Yep, that's always fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

Yeah. Welcome back. Get in the chat. Clara and I can't chat.

SPEAKER_01 1:43

Mark has withholds, I'm sure of it. Thanks, Trev.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

That sounds exciting. That sounds always exciting. Okay, let's see what let's see what's doing here. Gotta love it, man. Gotta love it. We we it's a podcast. Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 2:02

Yeah, we're good. Oh wow, that's super dark.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

Okay, good. That's what it was. Okay. So here, you guys get to see us do this real

Messages From Under The Radar Members

SPEAKER_00 2:10

time then. Okay. So we're gonna just adjust this up here a little bit until I look deep. So there we go.

SPEAKER_01 2:16

All right.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

Okay, let's do the same to Claire. There you go. Okay, let's do the same to the main camera.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

Thanks, folks, for tuning in this fine Sunday. We're obviously out of practice. Mark is back in the house, but we didn't uh get down here today.

SPEAKER_02 2:38

No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

Let's not lie to the people. Let's not lie to the people. Don't go throwing me under the bus, honey. I am not gonna have it. You're already under there.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

And I hate to break it to you. We had a little bit of trouble before we started, and some things were unplugged. And I asked Claire if she unplugged them. She said she didn't. I went and found all the things that were unplugged. I plugged them back in. And then I said, Did you ever take that laptop anywhere to do anything with? And she said, Yes, I did. And I said, When you did that, that's when you unplugged everything.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

Oh, Kidafi.

SPEAKER_00 3:11

So we're good now. Let's just see if we can switch around here.

SPEAKER_01 3:15

Yep, we're good. So now I get to say hello, everybody. Thank you for joining us this fine Sunday. Mark has been a very busy man.

SPEAKER_00 3:24

Yeah, you know, I was gone for basically two weeks. I was gone for.

SPEAKER_01 3:31

Yeah, I mean, you've been bouncing all over the place. So we've had a hard time getting to our regular scheduled Sundays. So just not here. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 3:41

But um I do want to say that while I was gone, we got in a bunch of different messages from people.

SPEAKER_03 3:49

We did.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

And um and one of the things that I wanted to bring up is that we know we might not have a gazillion views on this channel, but a lot of them are Scientologists that are quote unquote under the radar.

SPEAKER_03 4:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:05

And we hear from these people uh at least once or twice a week, we hear from people. And one of the uh messages that we got this week um was from a family who pretty much the pretty much the whole family was able to get out.

SPEAKER_03 4:20

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 4:21

And they said that they watch the channel and they you know, they they know the things that are happening in their local Church of Scientology. In almost all cases, they know that it's not what Scientology is saying it is.

SPEAKER_03 4:36

Aaron Ross Powell Right.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

And they know that the org is empty, the organization Scientology facility there where they are is either empty or they're dragging people in that don't want to come in and they're trying to get people to buy things that they've already bought multiple times. They don't need another new one that has semicolons and periods in the right place or whatever the new excuses are. And um they know a lot of that.

SPEAKER_03 5:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

But then there's a lot of things they don't know. They don't know why these people got moved here or these people disappeared, or and a lot of times we answer a lot of those questions for people.

SPEAKER_01 5:16

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 5:16

And fill in the blanks.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

Yeah. And and I will say, too, that um some of the messages we got recently made me really pause to think about it because we've been talking about Scientology. I mean, we got out, what, almost 21 years ago.

SPEAKER_02 5:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

And this channel is absolutely proof Scientology will not change. Because all the things we're talking about, they're still doing. They're still destroying families, they're still hurting elderly people, they're still hurting children, they're still doing all those things. Like never once have we had somebody reach out to us and say, Oh, you know what? You're right, they used to do that, but guess what? They're not doing that anymore. It's never happened.

SPEAKER_00 6:01

We did get, we did get a message from somebody saying, hey, they're not making um they're not making women um terminate pregnancies anymore, but they are now having the males get a procedure so that they can't have kids. And so you're like, that's that's almost even worse than the other one, or equally bad.

SPEAKER_01 6:23

Equally bad. Equally bad, interfering with people's personal choices and not giving them the freedom to do what they want. But also, so you know, we talked about that um the new books that Scientology released in March targeting children ages seven and up. So thank you to the under the radar friend. We now have a full set of those books, and I'm going to do a deep dive with Anne Gollert Hill, um, who was, you know, I remember I did part one with her last week of her um experien her Scientology story. Part two will come out next week. But she has a linguistics degree. So I thought, what better person to kind of deep dive into the Scientology books and show what is so destructive about this to children? But to your point, I was thinking about it too, going, so during our lawsuit, which was 2009 to 2012, is when a lot of people, a lot of Sea Org members got pregnant during that time or after that, and left. And those people are now out of Scientology or out of the C organization, I should say. And they have children. And guess what? Those children are in the exact age range that Scientology is now targeting.

SPEAKER_00 7:46

Yeah. The the other crazy thing about Scientology is the C org is made up of mostly children of Scientologists. For the large majority. It's it's four nationals who lived in a country where they for three hots and a cot seemed like a great deal to them. Right. So they could get to America on a sneaky visa thing that Scientology's doing. Um they're hiring these people as religious workers. They're coming over to the United States to work in Florida or California or wherever. And then they're not doing anything religious related. They're cleaning hotel rooms or they're, you know, they're doing something that has nothing that would never ever qualify as a religious visa. And um they've got those guys, and then they've got the children of Scientologists.

SPEAKER_03 8:40

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 8:41

And a lot of the children end up being in management positions because they're they haven't done drugs, they haven't uh been a criminal for years, they haven't, they don't have a warrant or haven't had uh a real education. Yeah. They got they left school early.

SPEAKER_01 9:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:01

Um so yeah, so that is pretty much what the Sea Org makes up. So if you could uh talk to the ex-Sea Org members or just uh Scientologists in general that are on the interwebs, they're all looking at Scientology stuff. This is one thing that we've found. They're all looking at stuff. Whether they're supposed to or not, they are looking.

SPEAKER_02 9:24

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 9:25

Whether or not they're engaging or they're continually following or they're using an account that would identify them, that is all uh uh up for debate. But they definitely are watching and they're definitely looking around and seeing stuff. And the ones that are able to basically say, yeah, this is that they're not. I mean, no one's ever come on here that we've talked to or a former member who said, Oh yeah, that's totally not what's happening. There's that's never happened. No, it's always, yeah, that is what's happening. And not only that, they're doing this other thing now that they didn't used to do that's even worse. And you're and you're just like, this is getting crazy. So it was good to get some of those, good to read some of those feedback.

Why Scientology Never Reforms

SPEAKER_00 10:15

And we also get we get um on our podcast, um, there's a way to send fan mail. It's a weird system. We can read it, but we can't answer it.

SPEAKER_01 10:25

No, they actually just changed it.

SPEAKER_00 10:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:27

So now we can respond. They just changed it after I complained like 20 times because people would send us messages, and to me, it's super frustrating.

SPEAKER_00 10:36

We had no way of answering.

SPEAKER_01 10:38

It's like this is so dumb.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

Does that mean we can respond to all the ones we've gotten so far? Or just new.

SPEAKER_01 10:44

I don't know if it's retroactive. I'll have to take a look at that.

SPEAKER_00 10:46

Either way, we get to we get fan mail on the podcast if you go to Apple or Spotify or wherever you get podcasts.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

What's it called? Buzz Sprout?

SPEAKER_00 10:56

Yeah, it comes through a platform that we use. But we can see the fan mail being sent in, and according to Claire, we can now answer.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

They finally just like a week ago. Guess what? You can now respond. I'm like, finally, geez.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

We also get feedback through um if you go to blownforgood.com, the merch site if you where you can get Xenu is my homeboy sweaters or you know, what's the one? Xenu and the body thetans. We still don't have to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

Someone was just commenting about the the artwork behind you.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

We are going to do the 2026 she says that it's gonna be 2027 by you guys by the time you guys work up some. I worked up a ton of merch with help from Clara. I'm pretty sure you guys could do something.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

Yep, we can.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

Anyway, um you can also uh through that platform, the merch when you can write messages or whatever. Um and then we also have the SP shop, which supports every all the purchases from the spshop.com go to uh the aftermath supporting the Michael J. Render Aftermath Foundation. So um bobbleheads.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

So yeah, we will today do a damn ity giveaway.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

Okay, good. One of these little guys, one of our little little pals here. Look the coaster's stuck to his butt.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

That's pretty funny.

SPEAKER_00 12:15

What happened to you, Davy? What did you did you make a mess? Did you make a messy? I make a messy. Um Yes. Awesome. Yeah, I just wanted to say, tell you guys that, you know, we're here, we hear you. When you write in and you make comments, we do I do go through the comments quite quite often in the videos and kind of answer questions and like things and stuff like that. So we we hear you, we see you. Um The other thing I was thinking about was they've got these people that are uh working with the current uh administration in the United States for the president and all that stuff. They've got these people in there. And I really think they might be getting played a little way too, because these people are donating, these are people that have donated tens or hundreds of millions of dollars to Scientology. And now they're donating to campaign funds and they're doing all this stuff. And when that all changes over, that money's gone forever. They don't get that, they don't get to keep all that status of I'm the one who gave you know $10 million to this or that or the other thing. But in Scientology, they keep whatever level they they unless they go seriously to the dark side. Um that's another thing. In Scientology, when you look on the internet about what's being said about Scientology, within Scientology they say, uh, uh-oh, he turned to the dark side. That's literally what they say.

SPEAKER_01 13:51

That's what they told me the day you were escaping. Oh, he went to the dark side.

SPEAKER_00 13:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:56

Like, what? What are you talking about? He called 911. Yeah. So it's a crime. It is a crime in Scientology to call 911. Nothing proves it more than that to me. I mean, there's many things that prove it, but yeah. You're escaping, and and you didn't even call 911. That's the irony.

SPEAKER_00 14:18

Yeah, no, somebody driving by did. Surprise. Other people don't like it when you run people off the road either.

SPEAKER_01 14:25

Oh, whoops. You mean we're not supposed to do that?

SPEAKER_00 14:28

Anyway, these people that are donating all this money, uh, Scientology it's kind of weird because it doesn't matter which, if it's the Republicans or if it's the Democrats. It doesn't matter who's in office for Scientology to have their fingers mixed in that pie somewhere. They got people in both camps that they rely on, and they'll donate to both camps. There's some uh there it seems to be more Republican slanted in Scientology of the the members, especially the members that are donating all this money. But when we had that uh war is over, the IRS exemption event at the LA Sports Arena, Bill Clinton wrote a letter of congratulations at that event. Like, hey, well welcome to the whatever. Congratulations on getting away with it. And um so they've got it doesn't matter. It doesn't really matter who's in there. They've got they've got ways to try to influence that. For the good for for better or worse.

SPEAKER_01 15:38

Um I I like this comment. L Ron Fuddy Duddy says, wait a minute, who did you say is in charge of my scam? I mean cult I mean religion.

SPEAKER_00 15:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:49

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

That is another point, is that uh LRH was diabolical and how he kind of figured all this out, how he could manipulate people and through disconnection and families kind of be able to have a lever on pretty much all the members. Um but miscavige, after uh L. Ron Hubbard died in 1986, Miscavige has kind of tweaked this thing up uh even a lot more.

SPEAKER_02 16:16

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 16:16

By just adding the donation for nothing component

Sea Org Recruitment And Visa Workarounds

SPEAKER_00 16:20

with these status levels, which Hubbard specifically said not to do that.

SPEAKER_02 16:26

Right.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

Um by David Miscavige doing that, he really has made it so he doesn't really need Scientology to do anything. They can just keep showing, you know, they passed out way to happiness books in Africa and they did this and you know, this place, and there's everyone everywhere loves Scientology. It's the best thing ever. No one's ever denied that. You know, all the propaganda videos that they do, and they're in that bubble, and they're big bigwigs, they're whales in Scientology because they gave a bunch of money. So they're living their best life in that bubble, and they don't really care if they're OT eight or they did all their training and they can s you know get rid of space cooties at will. You know, none of that really even matters as long as they give the money.

SPEAKER_01 17:18

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

Okay, did we want to do um some questions?

SPEAKER_01 17:22

Yes. Pop your questions in the chat, folks.

SPEAKER_00 17:26

Um, another thing I've I just wanted to say one last thing. The other thing that I realized after the we get these um people that write in, the amount of people that read Tony Ortega's underground bunker is astonishing to me.

SPEAKER_03 17:43

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 17:44

Because they can go to any there's there's decades of content there of all the things that are going on and all the families that got broken up and all the families that got back together, and all the and so the Scientologists are are reading all of that. And it is a chronological history um of all the different things that have happened in Scientology from the earliest days, because he has these research like uh I think his name's Chris, who does these like war um stories of L. Ron Hubbard and exact records and stuff like that. Yes, but they have people they have he's got resources of people that are looking at things and going, okay, I have all these original records of Elron Hubbard. This is what happened. These are all the things. This is when he got arrested. This is when he he you know divorced his second wife that did never exist. Uh existed.

SPEAKER_01 18:41

And the second wife he didn't have. Yeah, the second wife he didn't have because it's totally normal to go from a first wife to a third wife. There's an interview.

SPEAKER_00 18:49

There's an interview with L. Ron Hubbard in England, and he is now married to Mary Sue Hubbard.

SPEAKER_03 18:56

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

And he was previous it is, he did admit that he was married um early on. And so then when there was a reporter asking him, so what about your second wife? And he's like, I've never had a second wife. But he has a third wife. It's the craziest answer ever. Yeah. We know he has at least a second wife because he's married again. But he says, Oh no, I never had a second wife. Only a first and a third wife. Oh my goodness. Oh, yes. You get some questions? What's happening?

SPEAKER_01 19:28

Um, speaking of which, oh, never mind. Oh, yeah, no. So I did want to mention in September, um, it will be speaking of Tony Ortega in the underground bunker, there is the HowdyCon 2026 event.

SPEAKER_00 19:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

And it was completely sold out. Um, I will be speaking at that event, and the proceeds benefit the Michael J. Render Aftermath Foundation for that event. Um, anyway, they just opened up new tickets. Oh, they got it. So there's a few left. Yeah. I just checked. Um, but yeah, it's gonna be fun. Catherine will be there, Phil Jones, um, Chris Shelton, apostate Alex, Jeff Levin. So it's a lot of people. Oh, that's another thing.

SPEAKER_00 20:12

Jeff Levin's um we have Brothers Broken, yeah. Yeah, we've got to put a link to that so people can go and watch that. Yes. Um, it's amazing. You can see um, it's just another real example of how Scientology messes with families, how they messed with a band, like a musical band. They had a uh big hit in the 70s and then Scientology wiped them out.

SPEAKER_03 20:36

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 20:37

Um Yeah, go watch that. We'll put a link in the description if it's not there already. Um right uh when the video's over. We we'll put a link to uh Jeff Levin's um Brothers Broken documentary.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

Yep. Oh, Jacob says, yes, I'm stoked for HowdyCon. Yay! Wow, yeah. That'll be fun. I know summer is just starting, but we really need to bring back the iconic BFG Christmas jumper and maybe a new design for this year. Clara, get on it.

SPEAKER_00 21:06

Wow. Look at that. I like that. Um, come on with this merch. Let's get some new merch. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

Yes, we are uh a little the worse for wear on scheduling with Mark's travel. And uh yeah, yesterday we had our middle sons high school graduation party.

SPEAKER_00 21:29

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 21:30

That was amazing.

SPEAKER_00 21:31

That's two humans we've hatched through the uh the education system.

SPEAKER_01 21:35

Yes, I know. Brilliant. I love it. I'm like, holy moly, it feels surreal. We have two down, one to go. Um three salt life. Claire, I loved your video with Anne Gaulart Hill last week. Cannot wait till you have her back on. Yes, thank you so much. I know it was such a pleasure to um I mean, Ann and I I was checking going back through. She goes Got out in 2007 and we started chatting on Facebook almost immediately. And I my first message was to her was like, Oh my god, I can't believe it's you. And um, but this was the first time we've actually talked.

SPEAKER_02 22:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:14

And so anyway, yeah, we did part one that we released last week, and part two will be coming out this coming Sunday because Mark and I will both be gone. Um, but then after that we'll be back again for to get into our regularly scheduled programming for a uh for a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

I remembered her a l really well when when I was there because I think when she was in she was in the marketing area at the Golden Air Productions. And um and one one of my at one of my posts, I was responsible for overseeing some of the stuff that they were doing. And um and I always remember her being kind of like an outlier. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:54

She was a little bit she did I know I told her that when in our conversation, I was like, to me, because when she first got to the base, it was 1993. Yeah. And at that time I was still a supervisor, meaning uh uh the Scientology equivalent of a teacher. Like I would oversee the people studying training and stuff like that. And um, so I was her supervisor on her key to life course. And from the minute I met her, she stuck uh stood out. Like she was like technicolor. That's what I told her. I was like, Yeah, that's a good analogy. Bright, vivacious person that did not fit the mold.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

Uh the light in her eyes hadn't gone out yet.

SPEAKER_01 23:38

Right. And David Miscabin's. You know, she was telling me the story that um she got approved to marry her husband, Andrew Bradley.

SPEAKER_02 23:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:48

She was not even in the C organization yet.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:51

And sh so they got a pr special approval to get married.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

Was he in the Sea Org? Yes, he was a Sea Org member.

SPEAKER_01 23:58

Yeah, sorry, I missed that part.

SPEAKER_00 23:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:59

But the only way she was allowed to marry him was on the condition that when she was called, she would report to duty for her Sea Org contract. And a week later, they showed up to get her to report for duty. It's like, oh my God.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

Yeah, I'm I it's funny though, when you when you say that is that there are people in Los Angeles that that's what they strive to do is to get to the int base, to get posted at the int base. And they're super excited about it and they want to go there and they think it's this paradise. Right. And then they get there, and it's uh it's absolutely worse than wherever they were.

SPEAKER_01 24:42

Aaron Powell Right. And I think uh I've been working through that in real in my book because you have this concept like, oh, it will be much better there and it will be survivable. Yeah. Right? Like okay, fine. I'm I'm in this billion-year contract now. Why not make the best, try to make the best of it?

SPEAKER_00 25:02

Yeah, I want to be at the best place if I'm gonna be here forever.

SPEAKER_01 25:05

Right. But then you don't know where it is before you go there. You're not allowed to know the location, and you've never seen it before. You don't have to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_00 25:13

Unless you Google on the interweb's golden era productions or the whole. It's even just listed as the whole.

SPEAKER_01 25:20

Right.

SPEAKER_00 25:22

But yeah, you don't have any way to know really, besides what the kind of the the lore of the oh yeah, I heard they have this and they have that, and that's the right thing. That's where Tom Cruise goes. Tom Cruise has been there, and you know, that's where David Miscavige lives, and they have a and that's also where he works, and you know, who knows what the rumors are. And then you get there and it's almost like, oh my god, what have I done? Like I went to the I can't go back, you can you can't go back down without getting in trouble.

Tony Ortega Resources And HowdyCon Update

SPEAKER_00 26:02

Yeah, it's rough. Anyway, but it's always it was all we would see those people right when they would arrive. Yeah. And they were so excited, I'm gonna be able to do this, and we can do this, and you know, I've got all these ideas, and and then, you know, David Miscavige spots him and he's like, Whoop, the the light's a little bright in this one's eyes. We need to dim it down. Need to crunch them down. Yeah. And he is the he's like a dementor, you know, he just sucks the life out of everything.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

Oh, completely.

SPEAKER_00 26:33

He's also the exact opposite of that. When you get there and you're all excited and you want to do this and you want to do that, he's like the polar opposite, like the negative version of that. Like you guys suck, you can't do anything, you know, just so it's kind of crazy. And the and some of the the people that we talk to, they they do credit miscavage with sort of prompting them to leave.

SPEAKER_01 26:59

For sure. A lot of people do.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

Yeah, by something he said to one of the family members, something happened to one of the Sea Org members, the kids or the parents that were in the C org. And there's always some connection that leads all the leads back to Ms. Gavage.

SPEAKER_03 27:15

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 27:16

Or they got were trying to sell them books that, you know, we why do we need a whole set of all of the books? And why does my wife need a set and I need a set? You know, things like that they get pushed down on them because Miss Gavage is like to see your members, you're not going home tonight until you sell a set of books. Like you don't go home until you sell a set of books. And then that's how they end up charging dead people accounts, people that are no longer alive, that had money on account in Scientology. Those people were the most amount of people buying books when they first come out.

SPEAKER_03 27:51

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 27:53

Okay, we got another question, more questions. Any questions?

SPEAKER_01 27:56

Yeah, here we go. Here's a question from Jacob Harkey. Question I'm curious, since you're talking about your kids' graduations, what job did each of you have when you were the age of each of your kids currently? Congratulations congrats to you both and your son, by the way. That's a great question. It is a great question.

SPEAKER_00 28:13

Look at you.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

So so yeah, so uh our middle son now is 18. Um so when you were 18.

SPEAKER_00 28:21

When I was eighteen, I was at was making I was the quality control making cassettes at the imp base.

SPEAKER_03 28:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

I was the person who checked the cassettes when they after they were manufactured and put in first on a pancake when they're just on a big giant reel of 30 cassettes all on one reel. I would check them there, and then I would check them by listening to the cassette compared to the original master report.

SPEAKER_01 28:46

Yeah, you were 18 when I first met you.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

Um and then you were 19 and I was seventeen when we got married. But yeah, so for f for sure, like talking about our son now just graduating high school, by the when he was the age when we were that age, I was a supervisor in the training department of Golden Era Productions and had been married to you for a year. It's just crazy to think about. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:16

And we had I I, in my case, by the time I was 18, I had already been working for three years full-time, a hundred hours a week. Yeah from fifth starting at 15, 16, 17, all the way up to 18.

SPEAKER_03 29:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:33

Which is crazy to me when I think about these guys. You know, I can't even get them to work five days a week, you know, eight hours a day.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

Well, they're they're good kids.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

I understand, but I'm saying But they are kids. But I'm saying I have to turn off I have to turn off that part, like, you know, listen, son, I was working three times this much three years ago. Take it easy. Show up for work sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 29:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:59

Yeah. No, it that's that was that's a great question, Jacob. Thank you for the super chat. It was very good.

SPEAKER_01 30:04

Yes, yes, thank you. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. And the other, so our youngest son is 13. And um, so again, in working through my whole timeline, I've been talking to my my family members who were never in Scientology and hearing their perspective.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

And one of the things that I'd forgotten about that I just that they told me about recently, and they were like, is this true? And I'm like, Oh yeah, that's totally true. Which is that um when so when I was 13, they were my mom and my stepdad were planning to move to the US and they were trying to figure out how to leave me behind.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

And then Oh yeah, leave you with another family.

SPEAKER_01 30:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 30:44

And then that family they you'd stay in the Sea Org or stay in Scientology. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 30:49

And these guys would just go off to start their new life in America without the redheaded stepchild, aka me.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:56

Um, but what I didn't know is that at that time, my grandmother, my mom's mom, who is the only good person in my I mean, she I loved her so much. Uh she was trying to adopt me at that time. And I was like, wait, what?

SPEAKER_00 31:12

You could have had a whole different setup.

SPEAKER_01 31:14

I know, but you know, I I told I've told my family, like, yes, it sucks, and they're going through a lot in processing, you know, like, oh, we should have rescued you. I'm like, you know what? My experiences made me who I am today. And as much as some of it is really hard and shitty and all that, um there's not a day that goes by right now that I'm not grateful for the life I have.

SPEAKER_00 31:41

So nice.

SPEAKER_01 31:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:43

I like this. This is a great comment. Not really a question.

SPEAKER_01 31:47

Mr. Headley, I'm in the middle of reading your book. It's unput downable. You should sell the story to Hollywood. Thank you for reading.

SPEAKER_00 31:57

Why thank you.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

I appreciate that. Unput downable. I like that word.

SPEAKER_00 32:01

I do. That's a great one. That's why it stood out. I was like, somebody's yelling in the comments here. And I was like, oh, that's good. They're they're yelling, they're yelling good stuff.

SPEAKER_01 32:09

Yes. Um, oh, what's for anyone who prefers audible? Mark, you recorded the book yourself, which I think is awesome. And I do. I'm planning to do the same. Oh, good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

I do do voices in my book as well. So like when when somebody's in all in certain situations. What's the matter with Mark? That's the one what's the matter with Mark? When Muriel is a very important thing. The port captain's driving, uh following us when the police are, she just pulls up next to us. What's the matter with Mark? That's really that's funny that I that when they ran Scientology ran me off the road when I was trying to escape, and then the cops showed up to figure out what was going on. Somebody from 911 called. But they were kind of like, I was telling them, I because I didn't want to cause a lot of trouble. I was like, no, no, I'm good. They I had uh I was trying to go and they wanted me to do something, they needed something, but I gotta go to my dad in Kansas City. And then when Muriel pulls up, she goes, What's the matter with Mark? They're like, Oh, I see what's going on. They're trying to get this guy back there. Yep. As soon as that happened, they were like, gigs up. We know, we know. Now she just completed. We were suspicious, she just she locked it in.

SPEAKER_01 33:28

She she put the last jigsaw puzzle piece into place in his. For the cops. Yeah, right. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

Anyway, but um, but I think up until then it's just situations are happening or whatever, but then I don't remember if I did I it's funny, I do not remember on the Audible if I did voices for for other people like that too. Instead of just saying, just reading the words. But I know I did a few here and there.

SPEAKER_03 33:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:56

And I did have to edit, I cracked myself up too. So I did have to edit out fits of of giggles and little laughs and chuckles throughout the recording. Yeah. But some I kind of left in too that were really funny.

SPEAKER_01 34:09

You know, just like a little uh So if when I record my audiobook, will you be the director? Because you're much better at that than me, honestly. You're just kind of naturally uh I know, but you know what?

SPEAKER_00 34:21

It's gonna be it's a lot. I'd recorded I think I recorded about two or three chapters a day when I was doing it. And um it was a lot. Just for me to do it.

SPEAKER_01 34:36

You won't agree to be my director.

SPEAKER_00 34:38

I think it's best, uh well, in my case, this is how I did it, is that I recorded it,

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SPEAKER_00 34:45

and if I didn't like it, then I would retake it. So I don't know if somebody else interpreting it and also the way you're delivering it is the wrong way, because you know the right way, not me. You know what I'm saying? That's how I kind of think about it. And then also, there's some things I'm way more nitpicky. I'm like super crazy like that. Like I think you I think that would be the that would be the end of it right there. You're gonna read that. You're gonna read a 300 you're gonna read a 300 page book and I'm gonna critique every single sentence of it at how you say it. I don't know. That seems like a bridge we don't want to go across, babe. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

You're gonna we're you you don't want me to die on that hill.

SPEAKER_00 35:37

I just no, no, I'm the one that's gonna die on the hill. I'm gonna be like, where's the energy you had yesterday or last week?

SPEAKER_01 35:46

No, but I I would appreciate that though.

SPEAKER_00 35:48

Yeah, see, we'll have to figure this out. We did maybe not figure it out live on a live stream. Maybe we could talk about it someplace else. Okay, good idea.

SPEAKER_01 35:58

Accepted.

SPEAKER_00 36:00

Holy moly. Um there we go.

SPEAKER_01 36:03

Okay. Amy, my child just graduated high school. Beyond being incredibly proud, I'm also deeply relieved. They won't have to experience the cult, its pressure, or its control. That's a gift I'm grateful for daily. Well, yes, Amy, congratulations, absolutely. And yes, I completely agree. Like, oh my gosh. I mean, Mark and I didn't even go to high school, let alone graduate.

SPEAKER_00 36:27

Well, that's the craziest thing ever, is our 13-year-old, the math and the things that he was doing last year were higher than I'd ever, I'd not this was I literally was like, holy molly, they've got alien, they're teaching these kids alien language shit. I don't know what this means. But I realized in the Scientology school, at least at the Delphi Academy, where I went in Los Angeles, it's just courses. It's like modules of things that you do.

SPEAKER_03 36:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:58

And they want you to have the bare amount of the three Rs. Reading, arithmetic, and writing. They want you to have the bare minimum of that.

SPEAKER_01 37:08

Yeah. That's that's the only thing that's important to them so that you can then study Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 37:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:14

That's the reason that's the only reason those things are important to them. Trevor Burrus,

SPEAKER_00 37:16

Jr. But they're not doing advanced stuff. And the advanced stuff they're doing is almost the very last two or three forms. They have form, I guess, one through eight. And form eight is graduating. And I was on form six when I left. So I still had two giant stuff of all the advanced stuff. So I however it worked out, uh that me that meant even though I was there till I was like fourteen or fifteen. I know I was in the CRG at fifteen, so probably yeah, probably fourteen, I didn't do the stuff a twelve-year-old was doing these days.

SPEAKER_03 37:58

Right.

SPEAKER_00 37:59

So then I that's when people will always accuse us of being high school dropouts. And we realized one day we ain't even been up in middle school. We didn't finish that one.

SPEAKER_01 38:11

Hey, hey now, what's your language there?

SPEAKER_00 38:13

Let's be specific, okay? I never did high school. I'm not a dropout, okay? I'm a middle school dropout, if anything.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

Um you two met, was it Love at First Sight, Toons Malloy?

SPEAKER_00 38:30

Yeah. No, not really. I tried to get Claire. Um, I tried to hook her up with the guy that was my the person I study with each night. Um, and he was from England. And he knew her as a kid.

SPEAKER_01 38:43

Yeah, I was like, I am marrying somebody from the cadet organization. I'm no thank you, sir. Way too many bad memories.

SPEAKER_00 38:51

He was he was not up for it either. So I was like, eh, I guess I'll take a crack at it. See what I see what I can do.

SPEAKER_01 39:00

Um What age did they marry? Us?

SPEAKER_00 39:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:05

Um I was 17 and you were 19.

SPEAKER_00 39:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:08

August 1919.

SPEAKER_00 39:10

19. I was just 19.

SPEAKER_01 39:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:13

Like I'd been at my birthday's in May. So I had just turned 19 and you had it was you'd been seventeen for six months or whatever when we got married.

SPEAKER_01 39:24

Yeah. But we got married in Vegas. Mark's dad, Bernie, drove us there because we didn't have a car.

SPEAKER_00 39:31

We had to get special approval because in California, if you're if you get married before the age of 18, then you have to do a psychiatric evaluation and you have to get your blood tests. Blood tests. And Scientology is not cool with any of that.

SPEAKER_01 39:50

No. So for a lot of people for a a lot of the teens that got married at that property or in the C organization period, would go to Vegas to get a a marriage certificate. Um and there's so many people that Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:04

And because the reason Vegas was so popular is the courthouse in Vegas is 24 hours, if you don't know that. If anybody out there has never been to Las Vegas, Las Vegas doesn't have a normal schedule like everywhere else in the world. So you can get married at 4 30 in the morning if you want to.

SPEAKER_02 40:23

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

And additionally, there are wedding chapels that are also open 24 hours. Yep. So you can go to the courthouse, pay uh I don't know what it is debt now. Let's say 50 bucks, you pay 50 bucks for a marriage license, you get that approved, you sign it, your wife signs it, all that, you fill out all the paperwork, you jam right down the strip to a mi a chapel, and you can get married, and also as you have to have a witness. As the witness, it could be Elvis Presley, it could be Dolly Parton, it could be John Travolta, it could be whoever you want to be the witness. They've got a suit and a wig and a dude that looks like that person, and he shows up and he's like, Yeah, cool, baby.

SPEAKER_01 41:09

Yeah, Elvis wasn't on duty when we got when when we did our ceremony. Well, I remember first of all, I remember that getting the license to me was comparable to returning overdue library books. That's what it felt like.

SPEAKER_00 41:21

Oh, it took five minutes.

SPEAKER_01 41:22

Right. Exactly. It was like, oh, here's the paperwork, we're in line. Yeah. That was the other thing. It was like close to midnight.

SPEAKER_00 41:28

And there was a line.

SPEAKER_01 41:29

It was a line to get to get the go down to the steps outside.

SPEAKER_00 41:33

I r specifically remember like that it was so long that we were outside and we had to get inside in the

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SPEAKER_00 41:40

line.

SPEAKER_01 41:40

Yeah, and we were like, wait, this is the line for licenses. And then so we got the license, and then they're like, okay, just go to the chapel, you know, whatever, blah, blah, blah. And then we walked in there, and it was some old dude, balding dude in like tan shirt and and brown pants, and he was dozing off in the back. And he and we walked in, there was nobody else there. It was just you, me, and Bernie. And then he kind of like got up and he's like, Oh, do you want the short version or the long version? And we kind of both looked at each other and we're like, we'll take the short version.

SPEAKER_00 42:17

Yeah. Uh anyway, so because that was the system, there there because it worked that way, because of it's just basically you just need to get to Vegas, do your thing, and get back.

SPEAKER_01 42:30

And Oh, look at this. Amy says, exactly right. I had to go to Vegas and my mom signed over that I could get married insane. Yeah, I don't think my mom had to sign off because she'd already Oops, sorry. Um she had already signed over Guardianship of me. So I don't remember that I don't think she had to sign off on mine, even though I was 17.

SPEAKER_00 42:53

I thought that's one of the things I had to get them to sign when I went to visit them was I had that they had to sign some part of the paperwork.

SPEAKER_01 43:03

Oh, okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:06

So I don't remember specifically. That was a long time ago now, 33 years ago, I think is the number.

SPEAKER_01 43:12

Yeah. Here, let me answer this question too. Um would you ever consider pursuing a GED as a personal goal? I sucked at math as a kid, but when I studied for the C Best as an adult, I weirdly was able to learn math better as an adult for some reason. So I I got my GED two weeks before our oldest son graduated high school, and it was it's a something I always had as a personal goal. Yeah. Because I was working, even though I was never put back in school after we moved to the US, I always had that goal to get a GED and finally got it. So and shout out to our neighbor who's a math teacher. He spent an hour and a half with me to help me prepare for the math portion because there was a lot of math. That I'm, you know, I I always enjoyed math and I'm a bookkeeper. I love numbers and all that. But still, there was high school math that I just had never learned. So one Sunday he came over for an hour and a half and kind of helped me work through everything. And I was like, sweet. And he was like, yeah, we we covered like a year and a half of math just now. I'm like, wait, what? Two years.

SPEAKER_00 44:25

I think.

SPEAKER_01 44:26

In an hour and a half. So yeah, it was awesome.

SPEAKER_00 44:29

I think that I wanted to get a GED for like the first two months that we after we'd left the Sea Org.

SPEAKER_03 44:37

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

Because every good paying job that I wanted to get, you had to have a high school diploma or you had to have a degree. And I was just like, oh, this is going to be so rough. But then I started fixing people's computers and I was making fifty bucks an hour and it was like, oh, I don't need a DPS. Yeah. And and you're a technical knowledge and well, because I had worked with audiovisual equipment and computers and all that stuff for basically fifteen years straight.

SPEAKER_01 45:06

So I was So if it would do anything for you for your job, you would do it.

SPEAKER_00 45:11

But there's really no Not anymore.

SPEAKER_01 45:15

Yeah. Your investment of time is important.

SPEAKER_00 45:20

I'm glad that one of us had a got a diploma. Okay? So between between the two of us, we share a brain.

SPEAKER_01 45:29

We actually do have the perfect partnership in in terms of balance of um business from a business standpoint, like you know uh accounting. I I handle all the accounting logistics and everything else, and you handle all the technical it's kind of it's Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 45:47

That's a good setup.

SPEAKER_01 45:48

Yeah, it's fortunate how that all worked out.

SPEAKER_00 45:52

Yeah, it is fortunate for me mostly.

SPEAKER_01 45:55

And for me.

SPEAKER_00 45:57

Okay, what else?

SPEAKER_01 45:59

Alrighty, let's see here. Um I'll put this one up because question. Do you support your kiddos going to trade school rather than college? So we have um, yes, absolutely. I mean, we've told our kids, hey, if you want to go to college, we're good with that. Um, but our kids are very technically oriented, yeah, like you.

SPEAKER_02 46:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:22

Um and so yes, they'll likely do some trade school, but like they've already worked on they their work experience and resumes at this point with the projects. They've I mean, like our oldest son has already installed exhibits at the Smithsonian, for example. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:41

We're we're pretty they they're the trade school that they got was from me, but then I also have them doing uh manufacturer training and uh we do an automation program extracting.

SPEAKER_01 46:54

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 46:54

They know they know a lot more than somebody that's coming out of any one trade school on the phone.

SPEAKER_01 47:00

Yeah. And we absolutely wanted and have insisted upon our kids having all of the opportunities we never had. Um so we years ago set up a college account for each of them. Um luckily these days that can be used for trade school, and also it just recently switched, at least for Colorado. So if your kids don't use it, it can roll over into a retirement account.

SPEAKER_00 47:26

So awesome.

SPEAKER_01 47:28

Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_00 47:29

Okay, I think we should do uh read some comments and then we'll do a giveaway.

SPEAKER_01 47:33

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 47:34

Or do we do the giveaway, then read the the comments?

SPEAKER_01 47:38

Whatever you prefer, honey. I'm good. I'm just tired.

SPEAKER_00 47:41

Uh let's do the giveaway. Okay. Okay. We've only got 62 in entries. So this YouTube uh thing set says there's a hundred and fifty people in here right now that are live.

SPEAKER_02 47:54

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 47:54

And um, so that means a a little over half of you, a little under half of you, have made a comment. Anyone who makes a comment gets entered in to win the giveaway. My phone is like turning like turning into a heater here. Going bonkers. Um so you can just say hi from where you're from. You can say uh uh thanks. You can do whatever you want in the comments. Well, to an extent. Don't get Clara and Catherine all riled up. They'll they'll jam a wrench in there. Um but um it's going up. It's almost 70. I was waiting to do it until we had a bit more people. Let's do this. We'll read some more comments. Okay. And then when I see that thing a little higher, then um we'll do this. So let's do a lot of things.

SPEAKER_01 48:43

Somebody just said we're frozen again. Are we?

SPEAKER_00 48:45

What?

SPEAKER_01 48:46

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 48:47

Are we? We it looks good on our end.

SPEAKER_01 48:49

Okay. Hi from England. Hello, thanks for joining us. Hi from Sunland, California. Hey Angel Cat, good to see you. Jack Shaw, greetings from Henderson, Nevada, lesson 108 today. 88 in the Willamette Valley and climbing. There you go. Oh my gosh. Hi, all. Happy Sunday, Clara. Thank you. Hi from Lisbon, nice. Hello from Moorhead, Minnesota. Hi, Sherry. Hello from Momoravia, California. Jacob in the house. Um, howdy from Wyoming. Hi, Tracy. Good evening from Athens, Greece. Wow. That's amazing. Sweet. Greetings from Target 2. I think you should include the temperature there. Oh, on Fuddy Duddy. Otherwise, we have no way to verify you actually who you say you are.

SPEAKER_00 49:38

That's true. It's minus 300 Celsius here. Not the best pick as Target 2.

SPEAKER_01 49:45

I don't know. I I have Target 2 on my um weather app, and that's not what it says. Um, hi from Lisbon. Nice. Uh hi from British Columbia. Hi, Valerie.

SPEAKER_00 49:56

Oh, here's another one. Um, oh let's just start that one. Here we go.

SPEAKER_01 50:01

Okay. Good evening from South Africa. Amazing. Thanks for being here. So, did you get the planet cleared while I've been gone? Oh, on

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SPEAKER_01 50:10

Fuddy Duddy. I know, right? Afraid we threw through in the towel. Hello from Denmark, Chubby Ninja. Uh Ter Terrae. Um, it makes me smile seeing Mike Grinder's face over Claire's shoulder. Oh yeah, let's see here. Yeah, there we go.

SPEAKER_00 50:27

On the other side.

SPEAKER_01 50:28

Oh, other side. Oh, yeah, right. On on the other from the other view. Hi from hot South Carolina. Oh yeah, I can't even imagine. Um, Anita, hi from the Netherlands. Awesome. Hi from Washington State. Nice. Okay. Uh, can you guys ask Scientology to create a hate website for me? Trevanon. Trevanon did a really great interview with on Mormon stories. Oh, nice. Yeah, I I was in the chat for that. It was great. Well, I'll add the link for anyone interested in hearing Trev's story. It was fascinating. Question How was Serge's birthday celebration? Oh, yes, amazing. Thank you so much for bringing that up.

SPEAKER_00 51:09

That's right. That is one of the things we were going to talk about.

SPEAKER_01 51:12

Yes, for sure. So we put up a GoFundMe. Um Serge's 50th birthday was on June 5th. And um his dream and his like Dr.

SPEAKER_00 51:25

Amusement Park.

SPEAKER_01 51:27

He wanted to do two days at Disneyland and stay overnight. Um so with the help of Rachel Hastings, who was in the Sea Org for many years, and uh Rachel's wife, Michelle Adair, who was was never in Scientology but is a board member for the Michael J. Render Aftermath Foundation. The three of us um talked about it on a live last week, I thought, or the week before, I can't remember. Um, and we put up a GoFundMe and we got amazing support. Um, so with that, we the trip happened on June 10th and the 11th. So Serge got to spend two full days at Disneyland. He called me the day he got back, and he was just super excited that he got to have that experience. We got some great photos. We had um an anonymous supporter um provided half of the tickets for free and a 20% discount on the other half. Another person that watched our the live that Michelle Rachel and I did uh turned out they worked for Disneyland. So they sent us a whole ton of um just like food vouchers and a hat for search and all kinds of stuff. So anyway, we will we will do a a a full share, but we got all kinds of photos and footage, and he just had a blast.

SPEAKER_00 52:49

Nice. Yeah, it seemed like from the pictures I saw it, it seemed like uh he had a pretty good time.

SPEAKER_01 52:53

Yes, yes, he very definitely did.

SPEAKER_00 52:56

Very cool. Okay, oh Trevor, uh Trevenon says search Mormon Stories 2155.

SPEAKER_01 53:01

Nice, thank you, Trev. Uh hi from Auckland, New Zealand. Nice, hi Anna. Uh Trevanon, awesome. I will absolutely check out your Mormon Stories podcast. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 53:14

Nice.

SPEAKER_01 53:17

Uh Trevanon, enjoy enjoy. How wonderful for Serge. Happy belated birthday. Yes, absolutely. And and again, I'm just so grateful to everyone who donated to support the GoFundMe. Um, and yeah, it was Serge's 50th birthday wish come true. So it was awesome.

SPEAKER_02 53:38

Nice.

SPEAKER_01 53:39

Yep. Uh Mark, did you see the kids playing Depeche Mode on xylophones and music class? I think it was in Venezuela.

SPEAKER_00 53:47

I've seen so many videos of there's actually a group. I can't remember their name right now. Um but it's a it was two kids and his father and their father.

SPEAKER_01 53:58

Wasn't it a a girl and a boy?

SPEAKER_00 54:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:01

A girl and a boy and their father, and they would do covers with like uh, you know, non-standard instruments, scissors and water bottles, and but they did really good things. Uh covers of depeche mode songs that were really popular. And the dad was can't had like all these cameras and he he was he was some sort of AV geek the way they he set this all up. But um they actually ended up being in a Depeche Mode movie.

SPEAKER_03 54:29

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 54:30

Which was kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_03 54:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:32

And um yes, I've seen that. I've seen the one you're talking about separate. It's just a whole class that are playing. I think I want to say they're playing Enjoy the Silence or something like that. I can't remember what they were playing. But uh they're they're all playing it on xylophones. Oh nice. You know, like 20 kids all at the same time. That's pretty fun. Um okay. Oh, here we go.

SPEAKER_01 54:54

Uh Miss Marcabian missions. Missions can recruit for the Sea Org, but it's not super common from Catherine. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:02

Yeah. It used to be really there. Used to be recruitment missions full-time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:07

Going. The one that Anne was recruited for was for writers specifically.

SPEAKER_00 55:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 55:15

Hello from Perth, Western Australia. Voice down under. Hello, hello.

SPEAKER_00 55:20

Nice.

SPEAKER_01 55:21

Greetings from Santa Monica. Nice. We used to hang out there all the time.

SPEAKER_00 55:25

We sure did.

SPEAKER_01 55:27

Hello from rainy Austin, Texas. Nice. I think we're supposed to get some rain this afternoon, if I'm not mistaken. I hope so. Hello from Mississippi. Hi, Jennifer.

SPEAKER_00 55:37

Hey, shout out to Mississippi. I hang out in Cleveland a lot. Cleveland, Mississippi.

SPEAKER_01 55:43

If you haven't heard of it, we hadn't either. But now we've now we have.

SPEAKER_00 55:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

Hello from Lakewood, Colorado. Nice. Just up the street from us. Great Britain in the house. Hi, Neil. Nice.

SPEAKER_00 55:56

Oh, here's a good one.

SPEAKER_01 55:57

Question. Favorite vacation spot you've visited since leaving. Hmm. What's your answer to that?

SPEAKER_00 56:04

I think there's a there's a little uh town in the south of France called Le Roc.

SPEAKER_01 56:14

Gajac.

SPEAKER_00 56:14

Gajac. Le Rocajac. Um and we've been there, we've only been there once, right? But we stayed in a Airbnb that was basically on one of the cliffs of either side of the river. There's just two cliffs there, or two hill steep mountainsides.

SPEAKER_01 56:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 56:34

And um and we stayed there for like four or five days.

SPEAKER_01 56:39

Yeah. And it was right on the river, the Dordonia River, right? Um in August. It was hotter than heck there. But because we were right on the river and like we would we would just walk down with the kids to go swimming in the river.

SPEAKER_00 56:55

Yeah, we would just go and go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:57

So many amazing memories. Our kids loved that trip too.

SPEAKER_00 57:00

But the other thing about this one place is it's not where American tourists go.

SPEAKER_03 57:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 57:05

So it's actually really where French vacationers go to this area.

SPEAKER_03 57:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:11

And um so when we were in the town, we were kind of like the one set of Americans that were there. Yep. And the people were actually pretty chill towards us. They were not we had there was I we did see every once in a while another English speaking family.

SPEAKER_01 57:28

Yeah, meaning from England, not from America.

SPEAKER_00 57:32

We would hear them. But they weren't big fans of the uh of the English uh families. We c we definitely

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like really noticed that. Like it was kind of like, whoa. And then you go to and then we went to all these castles and they're like, and then in uh 1802, this person was beheaded, and uh and then the the the French took over. And then like two years later, the entire family was hung, and then the English took over. And you're like, you no wonder these guys aren't aren't so friendly with each other. They've been literally doing this for hundreds of years.

SPEAKER_01 58:07

Yeah, that was the only vacation we've ever taken where like it was so obvious that anytime we talked, like people would be turning around going, Whoa who are these people, you know. Um I don't know. That that part was a little unusual for me, but it was such a great little town, so much history. Um and my favorite day was the day that so we hired this English-speaking couple who who just took our our group of six, seven, it was seven of us, our family and another family. Um and they just took us around to all these amazing um historical sites, incl including Font de Gomes, which is like these ice age paintings in these caves way under like from like 15,000 years ago or something. And they only they uh this was before COVID, and they would only let in like 60 people a day to go visit those. So having those experiences were just really, really. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:08

And of course we did go to you know, we didn't just go to Le Roc Gajac. We went to um we went to Paris. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:18

Love Food Kitchen wants to note that it's in the middle of France, not the south of France.

SPEAKER_00 59:24

It was south from where we were.

SPEAKER_01 59:26

It was south of Paris, okay? Was it? Well, south and then inland. It it is like literally if uh if you're looking at a map and you point, it's it is dead in the center of France. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:38

I thought we went down to it. So I think it was in the south.

SPEAKER_01 59:41

We did.

SPEAKER_00 59:42

Um where did we stay?

SPEAKER_01 59:43

We went to We flew into Paris. Yeah. Then we took the super fast train to Bordeaux. That's right. And then from Bordeaux, we rented a car and drove inland two, three hours. It was like really a lot of travel, very stressful logistics, because like, you know, getting from the air the airport to the train and like timing all of that, and then um and and getting back the other way. Remember, you were like, if our friends don't show up by this time, then I'm leaving without you. And I was like, wait, what? What? And then I then you were like, give me the passport. The kids started to get wet their eyes welled up with tears. They were like, Wait, mom. I'm like, I'm like, don't worry, boys, I've got this, I'll make it happen. And I was like, flagging down our friends, like, get your butts over here now, we gotta go.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:34

Yes. Um awesome. Yeah, that I think that I like that one. I think that one is my favorite. I also really like so many places, it's hard to choose.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:44

I think one of my favorites too was uh visiting Santa Rosa Beach and the Destin area of Florida. That um was really nice. The the kids enjoyed it, and it's nice being close to the beach, though the beaches there were beautiful. It was like very, very nice. Anyway.

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We're gonna do the giveaway.

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Doing it.

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It the time has come.

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Okay.

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Okay, here we go, guys. Remember, this is a a product that's made by the streaming platform that we use. We have no say on how this works or who it picks. Yeah. It does all the work. We have no influence over it. It's really just who commented. It just picks up. I like Trevanani.

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Pat Green.

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Pat Green, F3G4V.

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Send me an email, Claire at blownforgood.com, and send me your address, and damn it, Davey will be on his way to you.

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Yes. Awesome. Okay, let's see if I can get back to the there we go. There we go.

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All right, we're going to go. Okay.

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I figure we can answer a few more questions and then uh we'll get on again.

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We will skedaddle.

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I can't really see if anybody's starring anything new, so it's just like, there you go. Well done, Pat.

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Yes, well done, Pat. Congratulations.

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Okay. He's saying that because it's rigged against me. It's not. It's not. Okay, let's see what else we got here. Uh I saw a few more people uh saying where they were coming from, but now those are all gone. They're too many recently. Um they're chatting with each other. Oh, we got a super chat from uh Susan Trigg. Thank you. Oh, thank you.

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Appreciate it. Um thank you to everybody tuning in this fine Sunday. We figured Mark just got back, so before he has

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to head out again, we would get him in here. I thought David Beckham was not a Scientologist. Tom Cruise was front and center when he received his star on the Walk of Fame on June twelfth. What are your thoughts?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:52

I think that he is not a Scientologist, but Tom Cruise would definitely still want him to be.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:58

Exactly. He's still uh trying to manipulate that relationship to make that happen. But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:05

A lot of the a lot of how do I say this? There's a lot of people that are that work with Tom Cruise or they're in a movie with Tom Cruise or some sort of business relationship. It's beneficial to them to not talk shit about Tom Cruise.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:25

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:26

Because they're gonna make money, they're gonna get paid, they're gonna be in a movie with him, they're gonna do this. So you're n I I don't think you're ever gonna really hear those guys publicly say this is a bunch of bullshit. But I happen to know a guy who's worked on Tom Cruise's movies, a very good friend of mine. And he has told me that when they're shooting one of those movies with Tom Cruise and he leaves, they talk shit about him. And they joke about him. And when he's not there, they they're like, Oh, where's you know, da da da and when he showed up to this one production, um it was uh God, I want to say what the movie was, Edge of Tomorrow. When he showed up when they were shooting there, um it was uh I don't think it was uh this is pre-COVID. But the crew had a trailer with bathrooms in it. Like it there's not bathrooms built into the studio necessarily. They have a trailer outside that has porta potties on it or whatever. And uh they had one of those that had one or two bathrooms for men and women. When Tom Cruise showed up, an entire semi showed up and that was just the bathroom for Tom Cruise. It was a semi, and it was just his bathroom. And the c the cast and crew are like, what the fuck, dude? Like it's kind of crazy that you have a semi that's bigger than everybody else's bathrooms put together. But that's sort of like the thing that's going on when he's there. He's a big shot, he's Tom Cruise, he's Mr. Risky Business, and they're not. So um but I do find it funny that they kind of poke fun at him when he's not when he's not there. But when they're in the the doing the media uh parade and doing interviews, and oh Tom's wonderful and Tom's this and Tom's. Sure, yeah, he is. He does all that too.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:27

But he's best friends with the buddy, his best friend in the entire world is a crazy dictator of a dangerous cult that he's also part of. Yep. So that's just craziness.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:39

It is.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:40

And they want to get rid of everybody's space cooties. And Tom Cruise's, if you look at all the movies he's been doing, he's just he's just cosplaying how Scientology is gonna get rid of aliens. That's what I keep telling everybody. You watch, he ain't gonna stop coming out with science fiction movies. It's gonna be a new one coming.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:56

He's brainstorming new ways to get rid of BTs.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:59

Not only are they trying to get rid of space cooties, he's also trying to figure out how to get to space where the space cooties are coming from. They're gonna nip the problem at the butt at the source, I think is

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what they're trying to do.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:11

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:11

Um, okay, folks, I think we did it. We did it, we did it, we did it, we really, really did it. Um we are gonna, Claire's got another um video coming out, the part two with um Ann and um and she's got other stuff lined up. Um it's gonna be a little spotty with me at least, um, just because uh this is a busy time. A lot of the places that we work on are this is when they get built, this is when um there's not students at them because they're out of school and so that things can get worked on. So yeah, that's what that is.

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Yeah, so thank you for the patience of uh our audience. Uh we'll we'll fill in the holes as best as we can, and we'll keep keep on keeping on.

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Awesome. Okay. Please don't like you better perfect. Okay, I'm not sure what that means. Um anyway, thanks guys.

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Thank you.

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We're out of here. Bye-bye.

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