Forbidden Questions Inside Scientology - Secrets of Scientology #14

Some organizations fear bad press. Scientology fears a curious member with a browser and a calculator.

We sit down together and answer the questions Scientologists are trained not to ask, especially the ones that can trigger ethics trouble, security checking, or sudden social isolation. From our years at Scientology’s International Headquarters, we explain why “criticism” gets labeled as a personal moral failure, how policies like Keeping Scientology Working (KSW) teach members that Hubbard already solved everything, and why even mild pushback can be treated like a punishable offense. We also talk about the “whisper web” inside Scientology, where people trade fragments of truth while still being afraid to say the obvious out loud.

Then we get concrete about what leadership doesn’t want you researching: why the internet is considered dangerous, how people who “disappear” are explained away as being “on a project,” and how search results can expose what really happened. We touch on cases like Lisa McPherson, the role of online transparency in helping families reconnect, and why access to outside information can speed up the decompression process for anyone trying to leave.

Finally, we dig into money and control: where Scientology funds flow, how Ideal Org fundraising can separate local donors from local ownership, and why asking “where did it go?” is treated as disloyalty. We break down why Sea Org members can’t simply walk out, what the leaving staff routing form is designed to do, and how documentation and intimidation can follow people long after they’re gone. We wrap with live audience questions, including daily time requirements for public Scientologists, “postulates,” and even the kinds of expensive perks that show up at the top.

If this helped you make sense of Scientology, the Sea Org, and David Miscavige’s control systems, subscribe, share this with someone who’s curious, and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts.

Transcript

Welcome And The Forbidden Questions

SPEAKER_00 0:25

Hey guys, welcome back to the channel. Welcome to another episode of Blown for Good, Scientology Exposed. I am joined today by my lovely wife, Claire.

SPEAKER_06 0:34

Hey, hey, everybody. Happy Sunday. Good to see you.

SPEAKER_00 0:38

Yay, yay, yay. Um, today we're gonna do an episode um on questions that people basically within Scientology are not allowed to ask. We're gonna answer those forbidden questions.

SPEAKER_06 0:53

Yeah. There's more forbidden questions than there are questions that they're allowed to ask.

SPEAKER_00 0:58

Yeah, I was gonna say, you're not really when where we worked, for any of you guys that are new to the channel, we worked at the International Headquarters of Scientology. So at that location, as a C org member, you the one of the guys that signs the billion-year contracts, um, you're not even really allowed to ask a lot of questions.

SPEAKER_06 1:19

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:19

You're you at that level, it's not like the higher you get, the more the more access to information you get. You do see things that are going on around you and you you you definitely see that there's you see things that regular Scientologists would would ne would never ever in a million years see.

SPEAKER_04 1:40

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

But when something goes down, or when David Miscavige, the chairman of the board, Religious Technology Center, when he says this is how we're gonna do it, you're not allowed to say, like, well, well, hold on, why don't we do it this way? You know, that's not a that's not a thing that goes on even at that level. But for Scientologists themselves, the the things that go on in Scientology, you're basically informed of what's going on. You're told this is what the next thing you're going to do is, and you just have to do it as and it in a lot of times, it's a blanket thing that just gets applied to all Scientologists.

SPEAKER_06 2:24

Aaron Ross Powell Yep. And there's a there's a very different dynamic when it comes to a member of the C organization who signed a billion-year contract asking a question versus a civilian Scientologist asking a question. Because if a civilian Scientologist asks the wrong question, that could cost them tens of thousands of dollars of security checking and interrogation and what have you been reading and all that, but they have to pay for it.

unknown 2:49

Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 2:49

Yeah, but that would be like a question more more often it's a question that's critical of Scientology or David Miscavige. Like, hey, I already I already did this course three times. Why do I need to do it again?

SPEAKER_06 3:03

Right. And that's uh and that's I already bought these books three times. Why do I have to buy them again? Things like that.

SPEAKER_00 3:09

Yeah. And that that those are questions that are very often asked by the by all Scientologists.

SPEAKER_06 3:17

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 3:18

So um so you've got these questions, right?

Why Criticism Is Treated As Sin

SPEAKER_06 3:21

I do. Yes. So the first question that we have here that we'll talk about, why aren't members allowed to investigate criticism?

SPEAKER_00 3:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 3:34

So well, first of all, I think it's you mean like look on the internet. Yeah, or you know, or even read a book. Right. Read a book or anything. But I think f first and foremost, it's important to understand that in Scientology, criticism is a bad thing. In the real world, it's a good thing. It's like, hey, I'm thinking about things from all perspectives and you know, hearing different views and things like that. In Scientology, criticism is associated and specifically indoctrinated as something created because you've committed transgressions.

SPEAKER_00 4:11

Yeah. People that are asking questions or being cr or or qu critical questions, they're not uh they're not following the the lead that Scientology is telling them. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_06 4:25

Yeah, they're not towing the line.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

Yeah. Like, hey, we're all doing this, and you're talking about not doing this.

SPEAKER_06 4:31

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 4:31

So we need to sort you out. You might be a flat ball bearing in the mix here.

unknown 4:36

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

Yeah. So I'm trying to think. I think I want to say that criticizing Scientology or questioning Scientology critically to another Scientologist, isn't that a misdemeanor?

SPEAKER_06 4:52

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

In Scientology's kind of like code of ethics.

SPEAKER_06 4:56

Yeah. So there's a policy called offenses and penalties that lists like hundreds of things that are considered uh crimes, misdemeanor misdemeanors, crimes, high crimes, and suppressive acts.

SPEAKER_00 5:09

Okay. Yeah, that's right. Yep. You can find those. For all you Scientologists out there, that's the stuff listed in the ethics book.

SPEAKER_06 5:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 5:18

Um Yeah. So they're not but but but even early on in scientist when you're in Scientology, there's a policy letter that you read on every single course that's called KSW, keeping Scientology Working. Everybody refers to it in Scientology as KSW.

SPEAKER_05 5:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 5:39

And in KSW, uh L. Ron Hubbard basically says in that policy that we've already figured out the right way to do this. And any way that you think we should do this is wrong.

SPEAKER_06 5:52

Yeah. Any any ideas of how to improve things are not welcome.

SPEAKER_00 5:57

Yeah. Basically saying and he he says in there, when he did take ideas from people, then Scientology sort of fall f uh floundered and was unsuccessful and almost was ex went you know bankrupt because he followed ideas or took criticisms and changed the way things were being done done at the time. Um and so then he says, yeah, we tried other things and they didn't work. So we're done with that. We're not trying new shit.

SPEAKER_06 6:28

It's like I know best. Yeah. I know the way to do this, and everyone else can just take a hike.

SPEAKER_00 6:35

Yeah, he actually even says in there, he says, we won't we won't contemplate or we don't need to wonder how I rose above the bank. This is Elrond Hubbard talking in his policy.

SPEAKER_06 6:47

Yeah, and by bank we mean reactive bank, which is the source of all human uh failure.

SPEAKER_00 6:53

Aaron Powell Yeah. He basically says we don't need to question how I did that.

SPEAKER_06 6:59

Right.

SPEAKER_00 6:59

I did it.

SPEAKER_06 7:00

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 7:01

So just shut shut your face.

SPEAKER_06 7:03

Do as I say, not as I do.

SPEAKER_00 7:07

Anyway, I'm trying to think if there's any other policies or if there's any other place in Scientology where they specifically say don't ask this. I think that's really it. Well, the other thing is if you're thinking about leaving Scientology because because you're critical of it and you think, hey, this is a scam or this is a cult or this is a pyramid scheme, whatever you liken it to, and you say, I I'm thinking of getting the heck out of here, if you say that to another Scientologist, that is a crime. And and if you do it, that's a suppressive act. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_06 7:49

Right. And if the if the Scientologist that you said that to doesn't report you, then they are liable for the same punishments as you are.

SPEAKER_00 7:59

Aaron Powell Yeah, they get you're right. Yeah, they get the same they get the same the penalty is the same for someone who didn't report it as the person who actually committed the act.

SPEAKER_06 8:09

Trevor Burrus, Jr. Yep, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

Yahoo.

SPEAKER_06 8:13

Yeah, fun, fun, fun. So definitely members are not allowed to investigate criticism, even when there's something significant that uh, you know, like for example, the tragic death of Lisa McPherson, there were Scientologists who knew about that, but they're not allowed to question or ask what happened or or even they're not informed. Like I'm sure many civilian Scientologists in Clearwater, so that happened in December 1995. I'm sure there were there are most civilian Scientologists that at you know were doing services at FLAG were unaware that that happened.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

Yeah, and even that's a good point because even the people that were close to that. Um let me just see something here. Okay. Um some of the people that were close to that, Hubb or not Hubbard, Miscavige, kind of pulled closer to his orbit so that he could keep an eye on those people.

SPEAKER_05 9:21

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 9:22

And he could sort of like control them a little bit more.

SPEAKER_05 9:26

Or a lot.

SPEAKER_00 9:27

Yeah. Like Bonetta Slaughter.

SPEAKER_06 9:29

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 9:30

Because she had a very close relationship with Lisa McPherson.

SPEAKER_06 9:33

Right. She worked at the same company, right?

SPEAKER_00 9:35

Yeah, I think she worked for um Bonetta.

SPEAKER_06 9:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 9:39

Or there was some kind of connection where they were friendly within Scientology and at and at work in two different areas. And Miscavige made Banetta Slaughter like the head of applied scholastics in um they had like some learning center somewhere in I I I want to say it was in Oklahoma, but I don't remember. No, it was in St. Louis.

SPEAKER_06 10:04

Yeah, I think it's a lot of people. I think she even more recently, maybe even currently, joined the C organization.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_06 10:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:12

But either way, that was somebody who was close to that situation that if she uh defected, it would be a major, major problem because she knew a lot and she wasn't in the Sea Org. She was a a paying member of Scientology.

SPEAKER_05 10:27

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 10:27

So he had less control over her than he did. Um, is it as if she was a C org member.

SPEAKER_05 10:34

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 10:35

Um I'm trying to think of uh anything else like that that would be a good example. That because you know uh I say this a lot, but it's really, really true. There are a ton of Scientologists that watch this channel.

SPEAKER_06 10:48

Oh yes.

SPEAKER_00 10:48

So we talked about that. Under the radars. Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 11:01

And that they've been watching and going, yeah, what it's on point, right?

SPEAKER_00 11:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 11:05

Nothing has changed. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

Yeah. We're not we're not telling some stories that happened a long time ago and then they never happened again. It's always the same things that just happen over and over again. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_06 11:18

Which is why we keep talking about it.

SPEAKER_00 11:20

And also a lot of these things that do happen, Scientologists, there's a like a little whisper web that goes around amongst them. And they're not really they're not really questioning Scientology. They're just saying, hey, did you hear what happened with the blah, blah, blah? And then they go, yeah. And then they they both kind of got to wonder, is that guy under the radar? Am I under the radar? What's going on here?

SPEAKER_01 11:44

Right.

SPEAKER_00 11:45

And so when we answer these questions, and when we tell them why you know Scientologists aren't allowed to ask questions and all these other things, that rings true with these people. So they can even, even if they don't know about the Lisa McPherson thing, because that happened in 1995.

SPEAKER_05 12:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 12:03

There was something that happened two years ago that the same exact thing kind of went around, and then it was just like, oh no, that, you know, that it's the best one is that there's public Scientologists, so paying members. Yes.

SPEAKER_06 12:18

So like civilian scientists.

SPEAKER_00 12:19

Civilian Scientologists. We we try to differentiate for the for the non-scientology people. The people that signed the C org uh contract for a billion years, those are those people are forever bound to the Scientology. If you're a paying member or a civilian Scientologist, you're just paying for courses and counseling. And if you want to leave, you could leave. You might have to get disconnected from your family if your family are in Scientology. But if you're the only person in your social group or your work group or anything that's connected to Scientology and you leave, there's not really anything they can do. The most leverage they have is over relatives, friends, or business associates that are also in Scientology.

SPEAKER_05 13:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

And that's that is one of the reasons why Scientologists often are have all those things are all Scientology, because that's encouraged by Scientology.

SPEAKER_05 13:17

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 13:19

Okay. Um do you want to um well we'll answer the questions at the end. I see Jacob Hart Harkey's got a question up here. We'll answer the other ones at the end.

SPEAKER_06 13:28

Yeah, we'll definitely get to that for sure.

Why The Internet Is “Dangerous”

SPEAKER_06 13:30

So what's the other thing? Okay, so the next question is why is looking at the internet considered dangerous? And specifically in regards to the internet, I I thought this was worthwhile talking about because as far back as 2000, um the internet was starting to cause a lot of problems for Scientology. And I personally have seen how much um the access to the internet accelerates the decompression phase that someone exiting Scientology very often goes through. Like it used to be that, you know, Scientology would keep tabs on those people and and have someone reporting to them, following their movements and so forth. But now with the, you know, with the where things have gotten to, you know, someone can get out and just go on a deep dive on the internet and learn all kinds of things. And it it dramatically speeds up that that decompression phase.

SPEAKER_00 14:28

Aaron Powell Yeah. The other thing that I think it helps with is in Scientology, when you're in that world and you're basically living a Scientology life, there's people that disappear from your life all the time in Scientology.

SPEAKER_06 14:46

For sure.

SPEAKER_00 14:47

If you are a paying member and you're going to the organization, you might always see Susan, who's the person that tells you what your next course is and all that stuff. And Susan could have been at that organization for 10 years. Right. And you go into the advanced organization of Los Angeles one day, and Susan's just gone.

unknown 15:07

Right.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

And there's another person there doing that. Right. And you say, What happened to Susan? And then that person says, Oh, she's on a project.

SPEAKER_01 15:14

Right.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

And you're like, Okay, is she gonna come back? Or da da da? And then they're like, Oh, but you know, she's on a project. It could be two months, could be twenty years. We don't know.

SPEAKER_04 15:26

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

And then you go to Clearwater, Florida, to do your your upper levels that you can only do there, and you see Susan running around in black digging up weeds on the sort side of the corner or whatever, and you're like, oh, she was on a project. The rehabilitation project, force.

SPEAKER_06 15:47

And so Oh dear, poor Susan.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

Yeah, but they do that all the time. Yes. It's a regular occurrence when somebody just disappears. They just say, Oh, that person went on a project.

SPEAKER_05 15:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:00

And that is in Scientology, that is a it's a genuine answer that does happen. People do go on projects. They go to another organization or they go to another country to get science fix up some problem that they're having somewhere here or there or everywhere. And then you don't see that person again. But then you never ever see them again.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

Right.

SPEAKER_00 16:24

And that's the part that's weird, is that they left and they're gone. And a lot of times their husband still works at the place where she where Susan worked, her husband works there too. So you kind of go like, so she went somewhere, her husband didn't go with her.

SPEAKER_01 16:41

Right.

SPEAKER_00 16:41

And that's it. That's just the end of it. We're never gonna see Susan again.

SPEAKER_06 16:45

Right. And so But that and that's also not uncommon. Like that wouldn't stand out because husbands and wives are often separated, as we were.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

Yeah, but where the internet comes in is you can go on the internet and you can type in Susan, her last name, and then you find out Susan's not even in the Sea Org anymore, and she's talking smack about them on some message port somewhere. And you're like, she ain't on a project. She flew the coop.

SPEAKER_06 17:13

Here, I have to show this. This makes me laugh. Love Food Kitchen. Susan, we haven't heard much about her. Was Susan's replacement Billy Bob?

SPEAKER_00 17:20

No, Susan is the female Billy Bob, okay? I I don't have a good uh Elma Ray. I can't I what's a good equivalent? A Susan. I like a Susan because Susie Sue? No. Susie Sue. That's a good one. I like to like Susie Sue. Okay, we'll change it to Susie Sue.

SPEAKER_06 17:39

Susie Sue and Billy Bob.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

Susie Sue and Billy Bob.

SPEAKER_06 17:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:42

There is a Susan everywhere in Scientology.

SPEAKER_06 17:46

For sure. There's always a lot of Susans. There's always a Susan. There's Susans who have escaped. There's Susans who are still there. There's Susan's on the rehabilitation project for Susan. Susan's on the decks.

SPEAKER_00 17:56

You know what's also funny, which they have a lot of there? Karen's.

SPEAKER_06 18:00

Oh, they do. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 18:02

I knew four Karen's at the end base. There's tons of Karen's.

SPEAKER_06 18:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

Karen Priori. They called her KK, but her name was Karen.

SPEAKER_06 18:11

And there was Karen West.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

Karen West. There was also uh Karen uh Hollander. That was the uh I am.

SPEAKER_06 18:19

And then there's a few Karen who are former members, like Karen De La Carrière, Karen Presley, Schles.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

I'm telling you. They have their stock of Karen's.

SPEAKER_06 18:28

They did. That was way before Karen became Karen.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

Yeah. Yeah, way back.

SPEAKER_06 18:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

Anyway, so the thing about the Internet that I'm trying to get to, though, is a lot of people in Scientology go missing and they never hear about them again.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

Right.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

And when people get on the internet and they search that person, sometimes they show up and they know. Or somebody like us has posted something and or we've done a video about all these different things that happened, and one of those people happened to be in the orbit of that story. Yeah. And they go, oh my God, that's blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_06 19:04

And that's even how You know, that's the whole purpose of the Aftermath Connect program, which we have on the Aftermath Foundation website of Find a Missing Person. The idea of that was if you've lost a loved one or a friend or something else to Scientology, you can post there. And the whole goal of that is when that person eventually gets out and searches their name. That will pop up in the top, you know, so you leave messages for them and so on and so forth. And we've had a few cases where that was successful, which is awesome.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

Okay. I think that's uh I mean the Internet the Internet will be credited as one of the major forces that sort of defanged Scientology and also has been exposing Scientology for decades. Trevor Burrus, Jr. Right.

SPEAKER_06 19:58

Because it creates a transparency that that Scientology cannot undo. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 20:04

Yeah, and they can't use their systems to shut it down. They've already tried that Scientology has tried every legal thing possible to shut down things on the internet. They've been that for for all of the 90s and the 2000s, they were trying to get websites shut down and suing people that were hosting servers and all these different things.

SPEAKER_06 20:28

Infiltrate um message boards.

SPEAKER_00 20:30

Which they have done. Yeah. And they were successful in kind of derailing a specific site. But now there's so many people and so many places where you can get information about Scientology that's factual. Not the homogenized version Scientology gives you, but what they really actually are up to. And they don't have a way, they really don't have a way to plug those holes. There's a thousand holes in their ship that are leaking or letting water in or however it works. Yep. I'm not a scientist. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 21:06

You're not?

SPEAKER_00 21:07

Um what's the what's the next question?

SPEAKER_06 21:09

Okay, next question here. Let me get back to my note. All right.

Following The Money Inside Scientology

SPEAKER_06 21:13

Why are members discouraged from asking where the money goes?

SPEAKER_00 21:19

That's a good question. So in Scientology, the money, the how they how they process funds is very, very, very like written in stone.

SPEAKER_04 21:34

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 21:35

Um they have certain accounts they're supposed to keep. There's certain percentages that every organization needs to send to the next level up organization, whether it's the continent or the international level or whatever it is. If a dollar comes in, the organization does not get to keep the largest portion of that dollar. That dollar moves on to the next organization. organization that's co or royalties from the the the business that manages L. Ron Hubbard's like his his works. So essentially in Scientology they have all these different organizations set up that are grabbing a piece of that dollar. And they can't really not do that. If you're a Scientology organization and you made $10,000, it doesn't matter that your rent is overdue, it doesn't matter if the the gas or the oil or the heat or AC is going to get shut off. You're still going to give that royalty for L. Ron Hubbard still going to L. Ron Hubbard's organization, Author Services Incorporated.

SPEAKER_01 22:45

Right.

SPEAKER_00 22:46

So it's that same way with management, with all these other things. The other thing that's kind of crazy about Scientology in the in the in the finance end of it is when they build one of these new ideal organizations, they fundraise so all the people in Buffalo that are the big wigs in Buffalo and any other big wigs that used to live in Buffalo or want to give them a million bucks for the Buffalo organization, they get all that money together, they buy, build or renovate a building and then when that building's done, the organization in Buffalo does not own that building.

SPEAKER_06 23:24

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

Scientology International now has property or the building or whatever. And if the Buffalo organization just goes kaput, they can sell that property and make a ton of dough.

SPEAKER_04 23:39

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 23:40

And so the Buffalo organization what they end up having to do is they become a tenant of I think it's called I c it's I can't remember the name of the it used to be called CIPRO, Scientology International Property Renovations Organization or something like that.

SPEAKER_06 23:59

I mean the post of international landlord as the name implies means that those organizations will pay rent to in int management even though they fundraise locally to purchase the building. And Amy Scoby has talked about the the scenario when she was responsible for like she was the head management position over Scientology organizations. And there was a time that one of the organizations was getting evicted for not paying their rent and David Miscavige demanded that she personally out of her pocket pay the $5,000 to avert that eviction which of course no C org member has $5,000. Most of them in those days didn't even have bank accounts.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

Yeah and and certainly $5,000 you might as well be a quatrillionaire in the C org five oh my gosh. Dude you know how much cigarettes and coffee you could buy with $5,000? This guy's this guy's this guy's a baller.

SPEAKER_06 25:03

Right.

SPEAKER_00 25:03

Oh my goodness yeah anyway so yeah so the finances are and also here's a crazy thing. So when they had the the the the standard finance system which L.Run Hubbard devised all of the all of these percentages come out of the money that Scientology gets. But that's for training on Scientology courses or getting counseling in a Scientology organization. When they switched over to this fundraising method that's a whole new thing. And because there's no such thing as fundraising in Scientology because L Ron Hubbard said not to do it.

SPEAKER_01 25:45

Right.

SPEAKER_00 25:45

There's no rules on where that how that money gets dealt with.

SPEAKER_01 25:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:49

And whatever rules have been put in place I can guarantee you right now if you raise a million dollars in Buffalo Buffalo ain't getting that million dollars. That that million bucks is going up to David Miscavige in RTC or the IAS or what or whatever campaign he's running, that's the place that's getting that money just like the building ones.

SPEAKER_01 26:14

Right.

SPEAKER_00 26:14

When they ri fundraise for buildings the Scientology international and David miscavige are controlling all that money.

SPEAKER_06 26:24

Right.

SPEAKER_00 26:24

And they don't have to tell you anything about it. It's a donation.

SPEAKER_06 26:28

Exactly like any Scientologist making a donation to the IAS the International Association of Scientologists none of them are ever allowed to ask well what is this money going to be used for? Where is it going? Those are all bid in questions because it's critical or it's just asking it's actually asking a very logical question but it's not allowed.

SPEAKER_00 26:52

Yeah but you know you just brought up something you're not really allowed I mean there's rules I'm sure they're not following them but if somebody says I'm donating this money for this thing and they fundraised that money for this thing in the nonprofit world you're really supposed to put that money towards that thing.

SPEAKER_06 27:14

Yeah it's called restricted funds when you say okay I'm I'm do making this donation to this program you that you're agreeing and and as a nonprofit you're required to document that and account for that that that those funds are earmarked for that program and it's a very precise specific thing.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

Yeah so I guarantee you I mean that it's similar there was a lawsuit many, many years ago where they were raising money for the new building this new Superpower building. Superpower building in in Clearwater, Florida. It's a giant new building that they built I don't remember.

SPEAKER_06 27:54

They built now it uh it opened like a a while ago now. I want to say like 2013 or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 28:00

Aaron Ross Powell Yeah but they had there was going to be a cross on that building and they went to like eight different people and got money to pay for the cross. So it was like hey we need 500,000 from you for this cross and it'll be you'll be the person that put the cross on the building and then they did that to another handful of people and then those people found out about it. They're like well you know I paid for the cross and then the other guy's like the hell you did I paid for the cross and then you know there's seven people who paid for the cross and the cross cost $1,000.

SPEAKER_06 28:33

Right.

SPEAKER_00 28:35

Okay next question.

SPEAKER_06 28:37

Okay.

Why Sea Org Members Can’t Leave

SPEAKER_06 28:38

So why can't C org members simply leave?

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Well that's a very complicated question. It is there's layers there's layers to that and it also depends on what C org facility you are at um on how many layers there are.

SPEAKER_05 28:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

If you joined the C organization in Los Angeles at one of the Los Angeles organizations or Clearwater for that matter you join the Sea Org and you can't cut it and you don't want to do that anymore and you were cleaning rooms at the Fort Harrison or at one of these hotels they have down there I don't think you're going to have as much of a problem trying to leave. You're going to have problems and they're going to mess with you. But if you're the only person in your family that's in Scientology, again, they don't really have any leverage and they can't really do anything. If you are a Scientologist and your whole friend group and family and business associates and everything is involved in Scientology and then you leave and you leave the C org there's they're going to you're going to have to be on a very tight program of the things that you're going to do to repair why you left the C organization. Right. And they're going to be basically be keeping an eye on you and make sure you don't stir up nonsense with any other Scientologist. But for the most part it is easier to leave from one of those physical restrictions.

SPEAKER_06 30:13

But no C org member no member of the C organization is allowed to just say I want to leave and then it's like okay great walk out the door goodbye. And this is the reason why many C org members choose to escape because if they say I want to leave to the um the police person, the ethics officer, then the automatic response is supposed to be to put them on what's called a leaving staff routing form. And the whole purpose of that routing form is to change their minds and get them to stay. And that that involves security checking interrogations oftentimes heavy manual labor oftentimes segregation from their partner or their friends you know they're put on the on the decks and put under security watch all those extreme measures are all designed to change their mind.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

Aaron Ross Powell Yeah and I would say there's an added layer to that which is it serves two purposes to to try to get you to stay and then if you don't stay and you do leave they have all the documentation they need because they just did an interrogation on you for three weeks straight. So they know every single bad thing you've ever done in your entire life.

SPEAKER_05 31:31

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 31:32

And they can make a a mountain out of a molehill of any one of those things.

SPEAKER_06 31:36

And they do they and they often then if the person finally reaches the final steps they will video the person now. They didn't they they had just started doing this when we escaped.

SPEAKER_02 31:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 31:47

But they'll make the person sign a declaration saying oh yeah David Miscavige would never hurt a bird yeah uh everything was wonderful I committed these heinous crimes and that's the reason I'm leaving like all of that. And of course by that point the person who is trying to just get out of there is just so desperate to get be shown the door that they just go ahead and sign.

SPEAKER_00 32:14

Yeah most of the time when when the person has gotten to that stage it's been weeks or months that it took to get to this and they know it's the last thing they have to do to GTFO. And it's like I'll do I'll and they are they're like I'll sign whatever you want. You guys have been torturing me for months and trying to get me to stay and I do not want to stay.

SPEAKER_05 32:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 32:37

So they have all this ammunition and they basically tell you as well you better not say anything. Yeah. And that you're signing nondisclosure bonds in some cases even now in some instances now they're also paying enough money with your signature you agree not to say anything.

SPEAKER_06 33:00

Right. When there when there's um financial exchange of funds it it weight it puts more weight to it.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

Aaron Ross Powell It does and and that's that's kind of a crazy thing because the people that escape Scientology the the the thing we're talking about route right now is called routing out because like Claire said you do this leaving staff routing form which basically it's just a form that says go see this person and then when that person's done they sign it off and says now go see the next person. And so you go through all these different people and one step could take six months.

SPEAKER_06 33:37

For sure. Because one of those steps is a leaving staff sex check security check where you're going to be interrogated for what crimes have you committed right right before you decided you wanted to GTFO. What crimes did you commit?

SPEAKER_00 33:51

Yes. And so they get all of that and then that's how you're that's how you leave and they give you some money and they make you sign some documents. Well if you escape it's the fast track routing form. It's got one step GTF up.

SPEAKER_06 34:09

You just have to succeed.

SPEAKER_00 34:10

Yes. You do have to succeed.

SPEAKER_06 34:12

Because because if you don't succeed chances are it's going to be a way longer road.

SPEAKER_00 34:18

Yeah but that's the other reason why some of these other locations are a little bit easier. Correct when you're at the International Scientology base, you're in the middle of the desert essentially Yeah there's no you know you don't and you don't have a phone so it's not like you if you think about it in real world terms, barely anyone has a car.

SPEAKER_06 34:40

So you have no vehicle uh it's a long walk even it's like four miles even to a payphone at least. Yeah maybe more.

SPEAKER_00 34:49

But also you don't have a lot of money normally most people in the Sea Org um don't have a lot of money. There's a there's a few zec a few exceptions.

SPEAKER_06 35:00

Like sometimes the the children of wealthy Scientologists are in the Sea Org and they've got an Amex card and their parents are just Melissa Fashback they they had money.

SPEAKER_00 35:12

Trevor Burrus Yeah but they could do anything with that credit card. Right. They could get a biophone they could get a plane ticket whatever they needed they just show up with that credit card and they're good to go. Now that's not the case for most Sea members. So if you have no logistical wherewithal to make a call or to get a car or to do anything. And also at that property most of those people have been very, very heavily secluded from the real world for at least a decade or so. So they don't know how the real world works for the most part. I mean we didn't even know you didn't even know what a calling card was when you tried to leave. This was I mean cell phones were a thing back then.

SPEAKER_06 35:58

But the cell phones that we had were owned by Scientology and they would regularly check the phone records.

SPEAKER_04 36:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 36:06

And if you if they found in the phone records that you'd made a call that was not authorized, the phone would be taken away. It wasn't our personal it wasn't an open line in other words. Aaron Ross Powell totally so and in fact I've heard by the way that now the phones that they give to members of the C organization are pre-programmed with the authorized phone numbers and none others are allowed.

SPEAKER_00 36:30

Aaron Ross Powell Well they also have this little kind of net nanny spyware on there that keeps track of if they go on the interwebs where they're going on the interwebs. There's some sort of filter. I don't know if this is true I also heard this from at least two or three different people that had escaped is that they weren't allowed to have iPhones because iPhones don't allow you to put that tracker software on a phone I don't know if that's still the case. Yeah I don't know it seems like that would make sense that they would make them get Android phones so that they could put this sort of app on there that is very intrusive to your privacy.

SPEAKER_06 37:08

Oh Catherine said that's exactly right Mark about iPhones.

SPEAKER_00 37:12

Let's see what she said here. Yeah oh that's exactly right about iPhones. Yeah so so that's a very telling thing that they're not even going to allow people in the Sea to have a certain phone because then they can't put on this tracking stuff that they want to use to track the person who has the phone.

SPEAKER_06 37:31

So yeah I mean talk about crazy levels of control right it's just you can't you can't even they don't do not want you to Google David Miscavige. They don't want you to Google Scientology I mean the long the list is long.

SPEAKER_00 37:46

Yeah there's a video on this channel the whole almost the whole reason I created this channel the Blum for Good channel I think was I want to say I made it in 2008.

SPEAKER_05 37:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 37:59

And I just had it as a place to put videos I thought would be interesting on Scientology. Not with me in them it was just a whatever but one of those really old videos is the number of domains that Scientology they registered.

SPEAKER_06 38:14

Yes the the hate websites.

SPEAKER_00 38:16

But not even the hate websites because some of them are the David Miscavige sites as well. So they they have thousands and thousands and thousands of domains registered. So if you search david miscavige's beatspeople it goes to Scientology's official page for David Miscavige. But that if you look through the list I I think you can play it on half speed um it's just basically the entire list scrolling the it's a it's a few minutes long. It's a lot of domains. Yeah. So there's one that are what we call the hate sites and then I can't remember what we called the other ones. They were it was basically like a the PR sites that would basically just channel people who are looking up bad things about David Miscavige. But like some of the domains are ri ridiculous like David Miscavige LronHubbard best friend dot com. You're just like you guys don't know how the internet works. You don't type in this I mean maybe at the time that was a thing to do just make the search the domain anyway I think that's I think we've answered that question sufficiently.

SPEAKER_06 39:32

So why can't that's the answer to why can't SEO members simply leave? Yeah.

What Happens After You Speak Up

SPEAKER_06 39:36

Yeah. And and most of it does have to do with the leverage and control that Scientology exerts on its members um you know and will absolutely use their family against them, their friends against them. It's to me, in closing it speaks to how small Scientology actually is that most of the people there cannot just leave because their family friends, the people they work for or whatever is all tied into that world.

SPEAKER_00 40:05

Totally. And the another thing that I want to say about this is Scientology claims it has millions and millions and millions of tens of millions of members worldwide. Right. Which is completely horseshit but the thing that really the thing that really pushes this home that it is horseshit is if you had 10 million members and Johnny no Suzy Sue in Kia Cuck wants to leave Scientology who cares 10 million people what do we need Suzy Sue for I know but if you have but if you have 10,000 and Susie Sue wants to leave and she might take two other people with her we got a big situation on our hands.

SPEAKER_06 40:52

Right. That was one of the biggest wake up calls to me when we got out was they would not leave us alone. That and that's what's so ironic now that in the amicus brief in the Danny Masterson trial, they're claiming I won't leave them alone. I'm like, oh isn't that sweet we couldn't get more further from the truth.

SPEAKER_00 41:14

Yeah there were hate websites about us up for years.

SPEAKER_06 41:18

They had they had that private investigator dude that would walk by our house every day at the same time in the afternoon when we lived in Burbank California while I was pregnant with our first son and they were doing the trash collections. They were not only getting our phone records but also had detailed some summaries of every single person we'd called and what we talked about.

SPEAKER_00 41:43

Yeah it was kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_06 41:45

It was completely crazy.

SPEAKER_00 41:46

When we got those ironically we got them when Mike Rinder left yes not even right when he left years after he left I think he left in 2007 He did. And we got those I want to say in like 2010 or something like that. It was years and years later and it was simply just because he had a folder of a bunch of back and forth communications he was he was having but then he also had another folder and inside that folder was another folder and there were literally hundreds and hundreds of folders with hundreds and hundreds thousands of documents and he hadn't gone through every single one. He just was like yeah it's a bunch of the he thought oh it's just a bunch of the dispatches that I typed up and sent to David Miscavige.

SPEAKER_03 42:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:32

And then it turned out to just be an insane amount of stuff. Well when he first left he turned that over to the FBI. He did but we never really saw any of that and we knew he had it and we were just like whatever. And then one day I said hey do you mind if I paw through this thing? And then I was like dude there's a lot of stuff in here that you didn't know was in here.

SPEAKER_05 42:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:53

Um but regardless um I'm trying to remember what I was going to say. Oh Scientology in that stuff they were doing things all those documents showed that they were doing tons of s crazy stuff to try and harass us that we didn't even know about. Exactly. So for us to then I think lit my book came out in we left in two January 2005.

SPEAKER_06 43:19

Yep and my book came out November 2009. November 5th 2009.

SPEAKER_00 43:24

Yeah sorry we left January 2005.

SPEAKER_06 43:27

That's what you said.

SPEAKER_00 43:28

Okay yeah and my book came out in November of 2009.

SPEAKER_05 43:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 43:33

Of course we I was posting on the interwebs on why we protest and Zenu and uh OCMB and X Scientology message board all these things that existed at the time but I didn't have a book come out until 2009.

SPEAKER_01 43:50

Right.

SPEAKER_00 43:51

During that entire four years they were busy busy bees trying to destroy us in every single capacity whatsoever. Yep. And so it's kind of like it took you guys were messing with me for four years. And I was like, there's I gotta tell everybody my side of this. You guys are and that's really why I wanted to put the book out was to say, no, no, this is what these guys do. Who cares about me? I'm just one guy.

SPEAKER_01 44:19

Right.

SPEAKER_00 44:19

This is a whole s situation here all over the world.

SPEAKER_06 44:23

This is a world uh organizational system uh systemic abuse.

SPEAKER_00 44:28

Yeah, this is thousands of people that are getting abused. It's not my fault that that's happening. Right. I'm just here by myself in Burbank.

SPEAKER_06 44:37

Um just trying to raise our raise a family, got young kids, start from nothing, like build a life from absolutely nothing with zero credit, zero anything.

SPEAKER_00 44:50

But also, we weren't out to do anything to them. No. We were just gonna go. We wanted to leave and live our life. Yeah. It was them basically poking us for four years straight.

SPEAKER_05 45:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 45:03

That was like, you guys, this is crazy that you're doing this. Yeah. And I would say that. I would say, if you have millions and millions of members, why would you give a shit about me and Claire?

SPEAKER_06 45:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 45:15

Who cares? It's like a rounding error of members.

SPEAKER_06 45:19

Exactly. And speaking of which, there is no member of the C organization that breaks free whether they escape, whether they've gone through the torture of interrogations. Not one single one of those people walks out the door and goes, I'm gonna get these guys. It's not how it happens. No. That certainly was not our perspective. But you're right, they kept poking and poking and poking and poking and would not leave us alone, no matter what we did. And I I I've said before, the moment child services showed up at our door with that bogus complaint was the moment for me that I was like, you know what? Yes, I was born and raised in the C organization, and I was I suffered all kinds of trauma and abuse, and I'm uh scared shitless of these people. But that's it. You've crossed a line, game over. I'm speaking out publicly, and I do not care anymore. I'm done with this nonsense.

SPEAKER_00 46:20

Yeah, I'm trying to think I want to say that that's probably a very similar situation to all the other people who have written books about Scientology. If you think of the people, Mike Rinder, Amy Scobie, Jeff Hawkins, Chris Shelton, these people were basically harassed after they left. Or they or they wanted to mess with them, or in the case of some of these new people that are coming out and writing books or whatever, they want to tell the story that happened happened to them in the location of Scientology that they were in. Right. Because a lot of these, Amy, Jeff, and my book and Mike's book, those a lot of those take place at the international headquarters.

SPEAKER_05 47:06

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 47:07

So you can find out a lot about the international headquarters of Scientology. If you're a Scientologist or an ex-scientologist that's watching this and you have questions that went on about what went on at the international headquarters, there's four books you can buy that will tell you pretty much the entire scene. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_06 47:25

Yeah. Which, by the way, speaking of which, somebody mentioned in the comments and I wanted to mention too, Marriott Lindstein also put out a her memoir on her years in Scientology. Unfortunately, it's not in English, but she uh I messaged her about it saying, Oh, I just saw that this came out. Turns out she released it in 2024 and I just didn't know.

SPEAKER_00 47:45

That's not one of these uh the the Fog Island ones. This is a totally separate.

SPEAKER_06 47:50

This is actually a memoir of her life in Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 47:53

Nice.

SPEAKER_06 47:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:54

We should put a link to it. At least the Swedes can see it.

SPEAKER_06 47:58

Yep. And and it's in two other languages, I think. But yeah, she said um that because there are a lot of memoirs in English already that she doesn't think it's going to get translated. But anyway, nonetheless, she has uh and yeah, anyway.

SPEAKER_00 48:15

Okay, let's do the next question.

SPEAKER_06 48:17

Okay.

Questions We Never Dared Ask

SPEAKER_06 48:18

What questions did you never dare ask while inside?

SPEAKER_00 48:24

Well, we didn't ask I I mean I didn't ask any questions. I knew uh I knew the score, I knew what time it was. You that's the other kind of crazy thing about it is when you have to do something or when you're punished or you know, it's usually it's usually a group thing. Sometimes one person can get in trouble at the international headquarters. That happens all the time. But what happens even more than that is an entire group or division of an organization. So like uh the whole entire time that I was at the international headquarters, I was in Golden Era Productions.

SPEAKER_05 49:05

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 49:06

And that has a it has the HCO, Hubbard Communications Office, which is kind of like the police and the administrative people of the organization. Then it has dissemination, it has treasury, the accounts department, and then they have cinematography, audio, marketing, um what are some uh cinematography? They have all these different estates, like a uh like a facilities organization that create build-s is the one that provides all the meals and all that does all the grounds management.

SPEAKER_06 49:37

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 49:37

They have services within them. So food and services. Provides the lodging for all the staff and so David Miscavige, if something happened like one time everybody got food poisoning. Um and so the the division or the service department that made all the food, the entire department got investigated and were on an extended schedule or you know, punished as a group. And that was sort of like a weekly thing. Uh the next month, the estate, entire state's division could be put on a punishment or some sort of penalties, or they were all in a lower condition. And then sometimes you'd have you'd have four or five divisions that were in that, and then David Miscavige's say, no, the entire, all of Golden Era Productions is in lower conditions. So you know, 15-minute meal breaks, um, extended schedules, uh, don't be late for muster. If you're late for muster, you have to stay up all night. If you're late a second time, you go to the rehabilitation project force is what's called the RPF. So that you so it was never a time when everybody was doing awesome. That time, that time never if you if your division was doing awesome, there was two other divisions that were sucking it hard.

SPEAKER_04 50:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:59

And they were getting just ground into the ground. And then when those divisions were sky high, your division was deep in the mud, and you were the one sucking it. So it was like what question do you need to ask? The question would be why is this place such a fucking nightmare?

SPEAKER_04 51:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:21

But you know why it's a nightmare, because there's this one guy, and that's the other thing. The the the head of Golden Era Productions could not assign Golden Era Productions lower conditions. There's not even there's not enough facility or some way that that person could say, all of you guys are this is this is like a an edict that's coming down because David Miscavige personally runs that organization. So if he thinks the audio guys are hot shit and now you've assigned them something, now you're you're kind of messing with him. Yep. So the only reason that these divisions or the organizations, and there's other, there's like four or five other organizations at the international headquarters besides Golden Air Productions, but he's the only one who gets to say this organization or this division or all organizations on the international headquarters. He's the only one who gets to say when that happens. Yep. And that he used that irregularly.

SPEAKER_04 52:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:23

So I don't really think of a time where I where I personally had a question and it was I knew not to ask it.

SPEAKER_06 52:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:36

When it w the you you learn.

SPEAKER_06 52:39

Yeah. There were many times.

SPEAKER_00 52:41

You learn what not to do because you see the other person go, like, they say, Hey, you got into a car accident. And so you get an interview on an e-meter, and they need to find out who the suppressive is in your life that you got into this car accident. And Billy Bob Then you can't name a good hat. Bill Billy Bob's on the e-meter, and the only person that's harassing him and making his life horrible is David Miscavige. Right. And so he says, Who's suppressing me? Uh yeah, David Miscavige is the guy who's suppressing me. And then you don't see Billy Bob ever again after that. Right. And you know, there's the whisper web goes, like, oh, he said David Miscavige. They call it your what is it?

SPEAKER_06 53:25

Your who.

SPEAKER_00 53:26

Your your who or your item.

SPEAKER_06 53:27

Yeah, your yeah, who your PTS to or yeah, who your PTS to.

SPEAKER_00 53:32

And so you say David Miscavige, and uh people, there was multiple people that that did this over the years that I was at least I knew I could list off ten people.

SPEAKER_06 53:40

Absolutely. At one point there was a project to go through everyone's folders to find out who had said David Miscavige was the suppressive person on their case, and all those people were carted out of there.

SPEAKER_00 53:52

Anyway, so you hear about that through the Whisper Web. When somebody that's the other thing that I think might be different about the international headquarters, is Dave's doing so much crazy, crazy things.

SPEAKER_04 54:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:03

And there's enough people around that are witnessing it, and some of those people aren't the most loyal.

SPEAKER_05 54:10

No.

SPEAKER_00 54:10

And so then they get in the back and they're like, Did you hear what this motherfucker did? And then you're like, hey, dude, take an easy. And I'm like, Jesus.

SPEAKER_05 54:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:18

You're gonna get us all lit up here.

SPEAKER_04 54:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:20

Um, so I don't think I'm trying I just don't think I ever you know not what not to ask. So it's kind of funny if you say, Well, what question would you have asked? You go, no, you you you know, you know why it's crazy.

SPEAKER_06 54:37

Yes, you know, there's no question. You just don't have an easy way out.

SPEAKER_00 54:40

And you can't and you can't tell people, even if you think, oh, I'm having some major clarity right now. This guy's a son of a bitch.

SPEAKER_06 54:47

Right. Like you and I never had that conversation.

SPEAKER_00 54:50

Never once.

SPEAKER_06 54:51

Never. Never once. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:53

In how many years were we there married when we were there?

SPEAKER_06 54:57

13.

SPEAKER_00 54:57

Yeah, which is a it's a long time in the regular world, I think, for some people. It's an eternity in the Sea Org.

SPEAKER_06 55:04

It is. And that's why we always say our marriage is a statistical anomaly. Yeah. So very few people whose marriage survived that that disaster and chaos.

SPEAKER_00 55:14

And not because they don't like each other.

SPEAKER_06 55:16

No.

SPEAKER_00 55:17

Because one of them will get sent to the RPF and never come back to that organization again.

SPEAKER_06 55:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:22

Okay, let's do the next question.

SPEAKER_06 55:24

Yeah. Um, and actually, I suggest that we just do we end here because we're already almost at an hour. So let's do our questions and then we can do another round of this. So for anyone watching, yeah. If there are questions we didn't cover that you would like us to cover in a later episode, drop it in the comments.

Live Q&A And Inside Stories

SPEAKER_04 55:42

Perfect.

SPEAKER_06 55:42

Yeah. All right, Jacob Harkey, can you explain what postulating means in Scientology and what it looks like? Is it like praying? Do Scientologists postulate for their loved ones?

SPEAKER_00 55:53

So it's basically just like manifesting.

SPEAKER_06 55:55

It's the same thing like the real so postulate is essentially, yeah, it's the the real world equivalent is manifesting, but it's like, oh, I'm going to postulate that I'm going to make $10,000 this next week, and then I'll be able to get on my next level of training or processing.

SPEAKER_00 56:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 56:14

It's, you know, it's just set it's setting a goal.

SPEAKER_00 56:17

Yeah. It's setting a goal or target in your mind. That's all it is. It's m if you say I mean it's kind of a weird thing. But if you if you're just doing things and you're not thinking about anything, or you're not trying to go towards anything, you're probably just going to wander around and not get much done.

SPEAKER_02 56:37

Right.

SPEAKER_00 56:37

If you tell yourself, you know, we made $500,000 this year, I've got to make $750,000 next year. Yep. And that's you say, we're going to make seven $750,000 next year. You're probably going to make more than if you didn't say that. You might not make $750, but you might make $650. Or you might make $200, but you're not going to make nothing. And Scientologist The way Hubbard talks about Scientology is that if you do Scientology, this is a good point because people say, oh, they think it's going to give you superpowers. In Scientology, you have these things called postulates, these targets or goals or or states you want to achieve or things you want to accomplish. And L. Ron Hubbard says in Scientology, if you know everything about Scientology, you can remove all of the things that get in the way of, and they say this in Scientology, in the way of making a postulate stick.

SPEAKER_06 57:44

So Yeah, or work or yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:47

No, they call it making postulates stick.

SPEAKER_06 57:49

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_00 57:50

So if you want to make $750,000 and there's 25 obstacles in front of you, L. Ron Hubbard says, I can help you identify and get rid of those 25 obstacles. And then you can do this.

SPEAKER_05 58:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 58:05

So there is a little bit of cheese in the trap. And the reason there's that cheese in the trap is because otherwise there's nothing. But the reason that cheese is in there is because if you can say, I'm going to make $10 million and then make $10 million, you can give eight of that to Scientology. And that's why they want they Scientology aren't recruiting homeless people. They're not recruiting people in food lines. They're recruiting people that are dentists, chiropractors, business owners, uh investors. They're recruiting people that already have a ton of money, and they're telling those people listen, not only can I make you make 10 times what you're making, but I can connect you into a network of a ton of other millionaires in Scientology. Right. And even if you can't do it, you can help one of them do it, and then you'll make that money anyway. So they that's sort of what postulates are. I think this is a very in-depth answer for Jacob Hardy's Jacob Harkey's 499 super chat. Thank you very much, Jacob.

SPEAKER_06 59:18

Yes, great question.

SPEAKER_00 59:20

Excuse me.

SPEAKER_06 59:21

I've got a little bit of like enlightening our weekend. You're welcome. Thanks for being here.

SPEAKER_00 59:31

There was another really good question I saw that was uh good questions.

SPEAKER_06 59:35

Okay. In 1995, Code Monkey says, in 1995, I delivered media equipment to Golden Era Productions. I remember being freaked out by the whole scene, and I wanted to leave as fast as possible. Very dark aura. I told the sales guy, I'm never going there again. Yeah, we've heard from a few people like you, Code Monkey. You'd be surprised.

SPEAKER_00 59:56

I have to tell the software story now. So there's a guy that sold software to the international headquarters. And this software was it was uh it's basically a visual effects software that helps you create things in 3D.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:12

Yep. And then sorry, to but to be clear, this guy was never in Scientology. Oh, yeah, no. He had nothing.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:21

He just worked at the software company.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:23

And he actually was a sales guy at this software company, I want to say, for decades. He was he was there. He was an original kind of internet guy when the internet started. He was he was he did he created some sort of graphics uh software system. And then he sold that and then he became a a sales guy for software, for this big software company.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:46

Yeah. And he was one of their top sales guys. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:48

He w was. He was everybody in the entire film industry knew this guy. If you were in the visual effects industry, you knew this guy, and you knew this company, and you knew this software.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:57

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:58

Okay. So we had maybe a handful of copies of this software at the International Base. And we would use it to create Scientology organizations in 3D, and then we would animate that 3D, and then we would shoot what's called a fly-through video. And we would sort of um we would sort of make videos from these 3D files.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:20

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:20

Okay. So then it became well, wait a minute. If you guys are building the organizations, like the the landlord office is designing a building, and then we're taking the designs and we're making it in 3D. And David Miscavige was like, you should make the landlord build the organizations in 3D, because they have all the plans and everything. If they build it in this, they can use that for their plans and they can use it to build the building. But then the visual effects guys already have the building. They don't have to spend all this time making the buildings. So that's the most time extensive part of this process.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:54

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:55

So he essentially ordered this is like on a probably like on a Friday morning or Thursday night. Let's say Thursday night. He says everyone in the int finance or the int landlord office that has anything to do with building new buildings, they need this software. Software's not cheap. Software costs like $5,000 a copy. You know, back back then that that's a that's a stack of dough. Yep. That's how much a Sea Org that's about how much a Sea Org could make in a year or two, $5,000. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:29

It's more like three years, yeah. $2,000 a year is the most we ever heard.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:33

Either way, it's a lot of dough to a Sea Org member.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:36

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:36

Anyway, so the person who deals with this software guy is in Visual Effects. And so they say, hey, give us this guy's number. We need to get this. And the guy that's over the Int Landlord office is the international finance director, is one of the people who sort of runs that whole thing. Right. And he's the one who's writing checks as well.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:56

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:57

And so and then maybe there's 30 people that need this software.

unknown 1:03:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:01

So you're talking about $150,000.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:03

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:04

Okay. So they go to this software, they get a hold of the number from the visual effects department. They say, hey, we need this software right now. And the guy's like, well, um, we can work up a quote and maybe I get back to you on Monday. They're like, no, no, no, we need it today. Today. And he's like, well, it doesn't really work like that. We got to go through some things. And so he says, if we if we are if we deliver it the way you want it, it's actually $7,500 a copy. And and I don't know if I'm going to be able to move on that price. And the and the finance director is like, no way, we need it for less. Uh there's no way we're paying $7,500. I think it was actually $10,000. There's no way we're paying $10,000. That's a joke. The software costs $5,000. It doesn't that it's just it's literally a C D or a download. It's not there's no there's no cost at this point. The cost was paid for years and years and years ago. Okay. I need the software. I need 30 copies of this. And the guy says it's going to be 10,000, da da da da da. He goes, We're not going to pay 10,000. And then we need you we need you to give it to us as like a bulk rate. And then the guy says, okay. But then we have to get it to you as well. And he says, okay. Anyway, this guy basically negotiates. I'll give it to you for 9,000 and I'll deliver all copies today, or to tonight, or tomorrow morning, or whatever. However, the deadline was like, we need it today.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:33

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:34

So this guy double charges them for the software. And then at the same time sells them 30 copies of it. Because they have no clue about the real world or anything that's going on.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:47

But also because And also they cannot say no. They cannot tell report back to David Miscavige, oh, it can't be done.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:54

Yeah, which is it's kind of crazy the way they play the game because David Miscavige sort of makes them tip their hand in a negotiation. Because David Miscavige has set a hard out on when this has to happen, otherwise you're toast.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:11

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:11

And so as soon as you enter that into the equation, the other person has all the leverage. They can say it's going to be $9,000 a copy. And I'll have it to you tonight.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:19

You want it today? That's the price. That's the price.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:21

And then you pay it. And the crazy thing is now you could just probably go online and just download it.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:26

For sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:28

But you couldn't do that back then. But um what was even the question? Oh, it was the delivery. The guy had it. The comment was the delivery.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:37

Yes, from Code Monkey.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:38

Thank you, Code Monkey. I appreciate it. It's very generous of you for the super chat. Thank you.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:42

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:43

Are there any other super chats that we uh or any other good questions?

SPEAKER_06 1:05:46

There's a ton of great questions. So let's go through those. Hit them up. Okay. Oh well hold on. I wasn't ready for taking this over. So hold on. Holy move. I'll get there. Give me a minute. Give me a minute. Here we go. Start. All right. I'm going to go back there. Okay. A question for Mark. What is David Miscavige's favorite brand of hi-fi equipment? You should know you built them. I mean his private hi-fi, not those in the organizations. Thanks, good fella.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:18

That's a great question. For years and years and years, not only did I build those systems, but I worked with the the the place that is in charge of his audiovisual equipment is called L. Ron Hubbard's audiovisual. That's what it's called. And for short, they call it RAV, R-A-V, Ron's Audiovisual. And in RAV, they're always testing new cassette decks and CD players and speakers and amplifiers. And also custom designing them themselves. One of the the brands of things would change and kind of go back and f of course Nakamichi, because L. Ron Hubbard talked about it, Nakamichi was a s a solid uh brand in the in the sort of mix of brands. Um really uh they because L there was just a thing you could adjust on a Nakamichi that you couldn't adjust on other tape players easily, and that was the the head height and the azimuth that that actually the the the recording head that reads the signal how it's adjusted against the tape. And because you could adjust that they had that in all of the audio facilities at Golden Era Productions, but then Nakamichi became the only brand of cassette deck that the organizations were allowed to have.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:41

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:43

And for many years, when I was in the systems manufacturing area and working in the systems department, we would refurbish those cassette decks. We'd change the heads or we'd, you know, bring them in, test them, fix them up, re-silk screen, you know, a bunch of stuff like that. And um But when Nagamichi started making cass uh CD players and and m later on, it was it just became like a cheap, cheap, oh cheap brand. It wasn't there wasn't anything special about them. Um some of the other brands were uh TDL, um Bryson. We used to have Bryson amps in all Scientology organizations worldwide. They might even still have Brysons to this day. Um it's a very expensive microf uh amplifier, especially if you're gonna put them in 300 different organizations all over the world, in multiple rooms throughout throughout each organization. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:36

What was the equipment that Miscavige had in his private listening room?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:40

In his listening room, he would kind of uh rotate whatever the the cool thing was. So for a while he had Genilec speakers, which were these very, very expensive sort of high-end room speakers. And these speakers, sometimes these speakers that David Miscavige had, they'd be six foot tall. And they'd be three foot wide. I mean, they would be but but thin. Not not like a giant cabinet. Sometimes there were cabinets. Um I think there was another speaker brand. Maybe it wasn't TDL, it was TDM. I can't remember. Um there was there were so many different what he basically had whatever was hot at the time. Yep. And spared no expense.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:26

Yeah, exactly. One listening room.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:27

Price price was not not a one listening room setup or audio setup for David Miscavige could easily be over three hundred thousand. One setup. Just the speakers and the amps, you know, could be $150,000.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:41

So we go, another one. Love Food Kitchen says surely the number one forbidden question in modern Scientology is who exactly is it that stands tall? Because it's certainly not chairman of the board. Well, there you go. Not quite sure what the question is there, but it's all good.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:59

That's a we stand tall joke.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:00

Right. Yeah, yeah. I know, I get that. We stand tall.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:04

It is also funny.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:05

No turning back we'll find a way.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:08

This could be this could be a I'm gonna take this this uh this could be that question yet. Well, hold on. This could be a clip because there's a very famous Scientology video, music video called We Stand Tall. And in that video, David Miscavige is standing on an Apple box. I know.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:26

Jackson commented on that in the chat. He did. Oh uh not this one, but we'll get to it. Oh, uh yeah, there he is. How about the loaded questions we were asked in AppleBox famously loaded survey one fine Saturday Renault's afternoon, but we got plenty answers that evening. I'm quite sure he's talking about the on-base, off-base survey. We were all surveyed on whether we wanted to live on the property or off the property. And it was a loaded question because if you answered on the property, you were in the clear, but a lot of people said they wanted to live off the property, and many of those people were punished for that answer.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:07

Yeah, the and the reason there's a there is a sort of a psychology behind that is because if you were at the property and David Miscavige called for you, then you could end up in a meeting with him for five hours. And sometimes these meetings would get called late at night. And but if you had already left to birthing, you've already what they called secured. If you'd already secured for the night, then that was it was that was the end of it. It was like, hey, can you get Bob? He's like, Oh, he's already secured. And and most people didn't have phones, so you couldn't just call them.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:41

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:43

Okay, so if you're not there, then you don't have to be there and you don't get d r rounded up. Now on the rare occasion he would say, Hey, get Susie Sue and Billy Bob over here right now, and they'd go get you. They'd just drive to your house or your apartment or wherever you lived in the town, or your birthing if it was down on Sublit Road, knock on the door, get dressed, you're coming in, and you'd be brought to him. And you'd and then you could be in the meeting for five hours, you could get chewed out in one second and then go back to post for the rest of the night.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:18

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:19

But I think a lot of people thought, if we live here, well, that's the end. You know, there's no that we at least have sort of a a uh there's the this this tiny bit of sanctuary that we have is seven hours away from behind.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:36

An illusion of freedom. And the craziest part is that as part of that survey, people were asked, well, why do you want to live off base? Or if it was why do you want to live on base? Anyway, and a good portion of people said that they want they liked being able to go to Vaughn's.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:55

So do you remember, David Miss? So there was the staff canteen at the at the base. So as a you know, finger in the face to all the people that said Vaughn's, he had a Vaughn sign put on on the staff canteen. And I think that he might have even had shopping cards brought there. I can't remember if that was a good one. I remember there was definitely the Vaughn sign was up for a while.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:20

Definitely a lot of supermarket uh accoutrements that were added to the canteen that didn't used to be there.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:26

And also, to be fair, they did actually start selling things that people were going to the grocery store, going to Walmart, or traveling into town to get.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:36

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:37

They did start stuff like lady product, you know, feminine products.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:40

And laundry detergent.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:41

Yeah, no, they they started selling the things that people legitimately marked up. Oh, yeah, they weren't losing money.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:47

No, they were making money.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:48

That's another crazy thing about when you're in the Sea Orc. You're only getting 46 bucks a week.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:53

But they're probably getting 40 of that, no problem.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:57

It's going right back to them because you're buying Cokes and coffee and smokes and you know, some cappuccinos when they put in the fancy coffee maker at the I remember when it's like, a cappuccino is a dollar? I mean, are they?

SPEAKER_06 1:14:11

Oh, they were charging like three dollars.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:13

I know, but at a certain point it got to be like, I didn't drink coffee when I was in the Sea Org. So I was sort of just like, whatever.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:20

Yeah, for sure. Um okay, so here we go. Next question. Leah Remini said Scientology requires two and a half hours a day of your time, but she didn't really say what you're doing daily as a public Scientologist. Can you please explain? Sure. That's a great question. It is. So in addition to the two and a half hours a day study, which uh has to total um twelve and a half hours per week.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:44

That's just for that's for every Scientologist who's supposed to be doing this.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:48

Yeah, because you're always supposed to be on some training course advancing in Scientology to be considered a Scientologist in good standing. In addition to that, um contributing uh in whatever other way, like many um higher-level Scientologists are a part of what's called the OT ambassador committees.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:07

So proselytizing Scientology to their local communities or but even if you're not doing a training thing, you could also be doing two and a half hours of counseling, of auditing. Yes. It didn't you didn't have to do two and a half hours of training and two and a half hours of counseling.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:22

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:23

That two and a half hours w could be split between those two things. And then if you were one of these OT good gadrillionaires that's OT eight and there's nothing left for you to do, at that point, that's how David Miscavige is like, these guys should be putting, still putting in their twelve and a half, what can I have them do? Yes. So put them to work. Yes and then they can be like, well, I don't have any course I don't have any more courses to train in Scientology or more any more counseling to get. So I'm gonna donate my time to round up other Scientologists or, you know, do one of these fake uh, you know, public relations kind of things.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:58

And in addition to the counseling or training, every civilian Scientologist is also given the role of a field staff member, which means that they are to recruit other people and sign them up for training and counseling for which they get uh paid a 15% field staff member commission.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:19

So there's financial motive motive uh motivation.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:23

I didn't think that that was a big deal like job you could do, make any money on it. But then someone was telling me that um there's two actors that also worked in a lot of Scientology products when I was there. We shot them for film projects. But there was a guy named Michael D. Roberts, who is famous for a movie called Space Pirates, and he's also the orderly in Rain Man who brings out uh Dustin Hoffman when uh uh what's his name? Um Mr. Risky Business goes to pick him up at the uh facility. Um but anyway, him and another guy named Jeff Pomerance, and was it Jeff? Yeah, Jeff, the guy who did the voiceovers.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:05

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:06

Join us now. Um was also both of those actors were full-time field staff members.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:14

But they're getting people to pay for their entire Scientology bridge all the way up to OT eight, and maybe their wife and maybe a kid or two. Yep. And so you're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yep. And if you're getting fifteen points on that, that's a that's a that's a pretty decent m amount of money.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:33

For sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:34

And and I think they also did fundraising as well. I think they were kind of tasked to do fundraising and feel like FSM sort of activities.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:43

Yeah, fundraising became a much bigger deal after we escaped, but it was still a thing when we were there too. Okay, here's another great question. Noah says, What was the most expensive present that Miscavige received from the forced contributions for his birthday? I know the answer to this one.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:59

Okay, let's see. Oh well, hold on. Okay, I'm wondering if we should make you write down the question. Um, we're gonna say it at the same time. Okay, we'll go one, two, three, and say it.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:10

Okay. One, two, three, BMW. He got a seven series BMW, brand spanking new, with all the bells and whistles.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:23

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:24

Um ASI actually purchased it.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:28

Author Services Inc. staff um paid for that. Like, like they actually got a specific bonus to them individually, all the ASI staff, that was the purchase price divided by the number of staff. It was a math problem, and that's how they took care of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:46

Yeah, yeah. They got the bonus because you've got to dig. This guy's the head of this organization, and and they're a nonprofit. He can't be getting BMWs. Right. They gotta figure out a way to do this.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:01

So has anyone uh or no enurement much?

SPEAKER_00 1:19:05

Yeah. So so what happened was a totally separate organization that he's not a part of gave their staff bonuses, those staff gave the money back and they purchased a BMW for him.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:17

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:17

And then that BMW was given to him as a gift from author services. So and I don't even think it was registered in his name.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:25

It was not. In fact, I had to interrogate Barbara Ruiz, who was the head of ASI when this happened, because the car was registered under author services, so the paper trail was really messy and you know, could be pinned down as anurement for which Barbara had to be interrogated as to whether she did that intentionally.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:49

Yeah. Crazy, crazy stuff. Crazy, crazy. But he would also get $20,000 bikes, like these super like a a pedal bike, like a a bike, you know, when you see the guys on the roads in the in the outfits that are branded. You know, these guys are these guys are dads in the middle of the neighborhood, and Billy Bob's got 27 brands. No one's paying him to race. He's just driving down the side of the street, get getting in the way. Anyway, um he would get one of these bikes that those guys ride, an ultralight bike. Like you could pick it up with your pinky. That's how light the bike was. And he had like three of those.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:30

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:31

And all the gear that goes along with that.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:33

Yep. Um, okay, I think we've we've um yapped enough for

Giveaway And Final Wrap-Up

SPEAKER_06 1:20:38

today. We'll save any questions we missed for next round of this if we decide to do another one of these, part two. Um, but yeah, we're almost at an hour and a half now. So let's do our giveaway and let everyone get on with their Sundays.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:52

Okay, well, and we didn't say this at the beginning of the video, but if you have commented, you've already been and automatically been entered in to win. What are we giving away, Claire?

SPEAKER_06 1:21:04

We're giving away a Davy doll.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:05

Davy doll. Okay. So one of these little one of these little oh Jesus, you're wrecking the place, Davy. One of these little guys here. Uh Skadoosh. You could win one of these. Those are great dog toy. Uh they're great if you want to just put them in compromising positions. And also, what did they do in UK? These things created Alarm and distress.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:28

Alarm and distress. A protest at the uh with Aposte Alex at the um at St. Hill.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:33

If you're watching in England, this creates alarm and distress.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:38

Allegedly. No. Allegedly.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:40

Allegedly. Okay. Now I'm gonna say that every time I've seen this guy, I've not been alarmed and I've not been distressed. There's he's actually kind of fun. He's got Velcro. He's at Velcro hands. Okay, so you can do you can do whatever you want with this guy. Okay, check.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:02

You can you know, you can he can you could even use him for what's it called? ASMR.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:08

You know what? That's true. ASMR. Here, let's do it. Let's do here.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:16

It's a little too loud.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:17

Anyway, no, that's perfect. ASMR is not quiet. They're doing they're you're hearing it. Somebody's got their headphones on, they're cranking it up. Okay. Oh dear. Um, so yeah, it's a Davy doll. So let's flip over.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:31

Oh, sorry. Uh Harvey Denton says, take him to the beach. Dave on the wave. Yes, there you go.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:37

Okay, we've got to switch this to you, and then we've got to go over here. It works perfectly.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:43

Yay.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:44

Okay, so I gotta go over here. Um 68 people have commented.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:50

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:51

So we're doing it.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:52

So we're doing it.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:53

Um and this is random. It's I've got to say this.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:56

It's not rigged.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:57

This is a StreamYard, the platform that we can.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:00

If Mark or I win, it's only because we commented in the chat.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:03

That's it. It's just picking somebody randomly. It doesn't know anybody is more it doesn't actually, it doesn't know who's doing the channel. It just knows who's commenting.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:11

And it has no impact, the number of comments that you have.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:15

That's true. It just picks it just takes everybody who's commented and puts them on a list and then puts them in a bucket and picks one out randomly. So we're gonna do this.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:23

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:26

It's pretty decent size the way I did it this week. Uh uh, uh, Brian was so pretty good.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:36

There you go, Hug. Congratulations.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:38

I want to say that was a person who did one of those questions. It was a good question.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:42

It was a great question. Yep. So congratulations. Send me an email, Claire at blumforgood.com with your address, and we will get David doll, Dave on a wave, Dave on a wave, uh, Leprechaun Davy, fake Navy Davy. I think that's my favorite one. Fake Navy Davy sent off.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:00

Captain Whack from TG Ac. Yes, a good one.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:03

Yeah, that was a good one.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:04

Oh, by the way, we haven't said anything about Zenu and the body thetans in this whole episode, and I just want to put out a plug for them. Uh I do we have some new merch coming? One of these years that you guys are gonna take to do this?

SPEAKER_06 1:24:18

Yes, it's we'll be coming next week.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:21

And at least we'll be back with our regularly scheduled programming

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Yeah. And if you're listening on the podcast, um on the audio only, um, you should know that Apple and StreamYard have now made it so you can see the podcasts, the video of the podcast. So it's still downloaded as a podcast, but you just get the video as well.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:51

Nice.

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Um and that's kind of cool. And then also you can go on wherever I I want to say on Apple Podcasts is the main place where people listen to this podcast.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:02

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:03

Um, and we actually have quite a decent amount of downloads every week on the podcast.

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Yep.

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SPEAKER_05 1:25:19

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:19

And on YouTube they have this new thing. I don't know, do they still have it, this hype button or whatever it is? I do I watch YouTube, but I don't really the channels I watch don't really push this hype button. Yeah. But every once in a while I'll watch a channel and they say hit the hype button.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:34

So we I know.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:36

I and I saw they gave us that last week I noticed that we had hype uh creator credits. So if we want to promote one of our videos, we can hype it. So I think it is still a thing. I'm just out of the loop because we just sit here and and yap and we really don't uh we're not boomers, but we're Gen X.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:55

Okay. So we we know our way around. Computers were invented while we were kids, okay? The Inter Web Internet in our 20s is when the internet was starting to take traction. So we know a few things. We also don't know a lot of things.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:13

Yeah, my my our kids help me out a bunch. Like because Mark is not the most patient person in the world. So if my printer was broken this morning, for example.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:24

I am closer to the least patient as uh uh to the What is it that you always say? No, no, what was the thing that Leah I said to Leah, uh, yeah, that's why I'm not a doctor, because I'm not good with patients.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:36

And she said, that's why that's why you're not a doctor.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:40

How about the fact that you didn't even finish middle school, you maniac?

SPEAKER_06 1:26:45

Oh my goodness. Yeah, that was funny.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:48

Yeah, that's the reason. Yeah, arcade. You picked not to be a doctor.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:51

My oldest son helped me fix my printer this morning. And he has the the skill that you have, where he walks in and I I haven't been able to, no matter what I did, I could not get my printer to show back up, you know, to connect to my computer. He walks in and it's like, boom, it's right there. I'm like, what? You didn't even touch anything yet.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:11

Yeah, that is when you have reached that's it's basically like a tech Jedi. When you've reached just you touching the machine makes it work again. Yep. That's kind of that's I definitely live in that realm. I don't always have my Jedi powers with me, but most of the time we're within five minutes, we're up and running.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:32

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:33

Okay.

unknown 1:27:34

Thank you.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:35

Alrighty, awesome folks. Well, we made it to the very end. Thanks for joining us again. Just a reminder if there's questions we missed, we'll snatch those from the chat. And if there's other questions for the rewatch crew that you would like us to cover in a future episode, part two of Forbidden Questions, then drop it in the comments and we will keep track of that. There you go. We made it till the end. Thank you guys.

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