It's time for the main event.
Speaker 2:It's the Sparrin' Podcast if you want his real name. What up, Shane Bro, just fucking doxing me out here. What would?
Speaker 1:you rather be called I don't know, dude, I've had so many nicknames in my life, I don't really care. Most people just call me Punchlines. Now, it's weird Really In the boxing community. Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's what I call you. But if you noticed, my other co-host, willie, is not here. If you noticed, my other co -host, willie, is not here. I don't know where he is. I hope he's okay. We said 8 o'clock. We started late anyway because of the usual technical difficulties, but we have a shitload to talk about and me and Shane probably could do it. We probably could do it. What do you think, shane? We got this, bro. Yeah, it wouldn't be the first time If you guys can't hear me. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I'm having a lot of issues, as usual here, but I think I'm good. I think we're good.
Speaker 1:You want to hear something funny? Just to quickly derail the podcast. Sure, don't fuck with me. I got an email from my Venmo receipt, or not? Venmo Cameo Okay, because I'm in a 16-team dynasty league for fantasy football. Okay, and all the other guys in my league are huge Cleveland Browns fans because it's all like an old fraternity from Ohio and I replaced one of the guys, so I paid Joe Thomas to call them all gay. Basically, he did oh yeah, dude, each one of them. I said personal shit about each one of them. That's awesome. He's like I'm going for Shane. He's my only real fan. I'm not even a browns fan.
Speaker 1:I'm excited, that's all I gotta talk shit early how much did that? Cost like 170 bucks really. Yeah, for well, joe thomas yeah but boxing related.
Speaker 2:Now it's all right at that. I mean we're, it's just us two. So this is going to go fast. We don't have a third wheel, no third wheel here. Third wheel willie is not here, mia, but we have a bunch of boxing shit to talk about. Uh, we're a week behind. We. We weren't here last week because I was hung over sorry, that's my fault because I did go to the richardson hitchens george ferocious. Because I did go to the Richardson Hitchens George Ferocious, cambosis fight. It was fun, we were there live and we got wasted. But we're going to speak on that. So, just quick, because we missed a week, I'll chop some crap up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it went pretty much as we expected.
Speaker 2:It won't be a long chat From there. We'll talk a little bit about the undercard. Brian Norman Jr stole the the weekend we're going to speak on that. Obviously dirty he is, yeah, he's. He's definitely climbing up the ranks in my rankings, not that they matter. My friend another fight I was at busy couple weeks for me jahai tucker versus lorenzo truck simpson also kind of stole the the past two weeks in a sense, not with the knockout, but just with everything that went on. Talk about that fight, not so much the card itself Vito Milanicki is a friend too, but it wasn't really that interesting. Anyway, speak on the Canelo Crawford presser a little bit. Oh man, I think I had more oh yeah, and then a quick preview as well of the billy saluki fight. Not really much to talk about there either, but uh, the main thing really, though, is I I guess brian norman jr jahai tucker I want to speak on, and, um, oh yeah, the the press conference too. Canelo crawford, that's like like the the hot topic the Hitchens fight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, richardson, hitchens, we'll start there. I guess we could just get into that right now, unless there's anything else you want to speak on prior to that.
Speaker 1:I don't even think. I mean I guess it's a Quinn being on the undercard.
Speaker 2:But yeah, yeah, we can speak on the undercard as well, nothing crazy. Can speak on the undercard as well, nothing crazy. But because he's kind of a popping name right now oh yeah, he's, he's doing everything correct, um, especially with the marketing too. Because, uh, yeah, we could talk about zaquin now. Let's just um, he looked really sharp versus a grown-ass man. Did you see that guy in there?
Speaker 2:yeah, he was like, uh like muscular in shape, like I don't remember his record, but I think he was like brazilian and I don't remember his name either, but seeing him in person you could tell he definitely had like an mma background. I don't know if he was really a big boxing background, but zaquin, size wise, doing what he did to that guy and just showing his poise, that's the one thing I like the most. He wasn't nervous at all. He's what? Zaquin three and oh, now four and oh four and oh yeah, so his only his fourth fight. These are the I like the most. He wasn't nervous at all. He's what? Zaquin 3-0, now 4-0. 4-0, yeah, so only his fourth fight. These are the type of fights you're going to get with him. He was probably him and Hitchens were the most composed fighters out of the whole freaking card.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's just got that it to him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like he does everything perfect and correct and you know, I'm sure he'll. As time goes on and the competition gets better, we'll see more of stuff to critique.
Speaker 1:Well, did you see that clip that's been circulating the pages? Yeah, with him and Kermel, kermel Moulton. Yeah, because this was the Amateur National Championship this week, usa Boxing. So they were both down there and they did that little face-off because the quinn's starting to get some hype. Cremel's had the hype but, uh, his last amateur fight he lost to the quinn's. That quinn beat him at that exact tournament I think.
Speaker 2:I think then he beat him four times.
Speaker 1:I read two in amateurs I'm not sure I don't know about that, but I know their last meeting, the most recent one they uh, is a Quinn one.
Speaker 2:Yeah it was a good fight too. Usually. Usually I would say like and I always say this like, amateur records don't matter to me in the pros, but but being this early in their career, they do kind of mean something. Now you know what I'm saying. Like this early in both of their career, it would mean something if they were to fight.
Speaker 1:Hopefully that that happens, I don't yeah, I kind of disagree, though, like I'm a big believer in like amateur pedigrees, like yeah you, you see the boxers without them, it's it's a harder climb towards the top without that amateur pedigree, it's less rare no, no, a hundred percent%.
Speaker 2:But sometimes I'm like I guess a good example would be, I don't know, I'd say Usyk, but he really is the best. Who's like a? Oh, kensei Sao, right, right, he was a great amateur. I think he was an Olympian as well. He's anic medalist yeah, yeah and and in the pro ranks, like they, they like to bring up his amateur record and I'm like, yeah, okay, but at this point in his career he's been a pro now for quite some time like, yeah, that's good, that's great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not saying you should buy fully into it, but if there's like a like because we also know what can say, so is kind of now too, yeah, yeah. But you know, like you can bring up like who's a?
Speaker 2:there's a bunch of good guys like if they're good, if they pass the eye test as a pro, and then they're like, you know, like gary antoine russell he's not an olympic medalist, but if you're like, by the way, he beat boots and the amateurs he beat yeah and the amateurs, you're like all right, well, this guy's really talented then I see what you're saying, like yeah, like he knows something, obviously, and and I I agree with that I just hate when, like, if it's a very it's two very close fighters, they'll be like oh well, he beat so and so in the amateurs. Like yeah, that was like 10 years ago, like they're grown men now, when usually when you're in the amateurs, you're you're not a grown man yeah, after like 10, 15 fights depending on how you get moved your amateur record no longer matters.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like to be honest and and and they do that a lot they like to. I guess it's for promo, it's because they don't fight no one.
Speaker 1:They're like yeah, this guy knocked out, fucking wasn't like. Well, who's a good like this guy got knocked out, damon nicholson in a super middleweight, it's like sick dude. I want to buy a pay-per-view now. Yeah, yeah seriously, um.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I mean back to the topics. The quinn is. Sky is the limit for him and if, if a kermel's a fight was to happen, they'd sell a lot of tickets because of the the east coast, west coast, that the amateur uh rivalry, and they did the right thing marketing wise there, you know, they had the kids around them videotaping and they were the right thing marketing wise there, you know, they had the kids around them videotaping and they were gassing each other up, talking some shit. Yeah, it was really cool to see. Honestly, it looked very uh. They looked, I guess, further along their career than you would think they are, if you yeah, I like seeing the young guys get hype.
Speaker 1:I don't, you know, no offense, but like you got the shu shu route, like where we watch these guys climb and climb and grow and grow, and then it's like you got the guys who you know. They get that social media, they get that marketability. The sport needs that. We need popular fighters in the future.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah definitely and popular fighters willing to fight each other. That's, that's the bigger thing, uh. But yeah, they were on the undercard too. Before we get into hitchens, I liked the uh, terramana, terramana, I guess that's how you say his name. It's my first time seeing him, the heavyweight the co-main event.
Speaker 2:Uh, was it the co-main? I think I think it was the heavyweight, I'm not sure. Oh no, the co-main was um, what's his name? Uh, shit, I want to talk about him too. Speaking of amateur versus amateur. It was Keyshawn's rival there. What's his name?
Speaker 1:Oh, andy, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he knocked that dude the fuck out. Yeah, and actually I wrote something down that I wanted to talk about on that.
Speaker 1:Let's go back to the heavyweight though, yeah yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry.
Speaker 2:That's cool Because I had it written down. I don't know where the fuck it went. I tried to keep some kind of order here. As usual, I'm discombobulated because something went wrong and Willie's missing. I hope he's okay. Prayers up for Willie. But that actually is concerning. Yeah, because he never answers my calls, even if he's sleeping. He'll pick up, but I'll figure that out after the fact and he never will. Just no-show. This is his first no-show, so he's going to get in-school suspension when we're done here.
Speaker 2:True it, but what's his face? Trevor Mana, trevor Mana, the same name twice. That's like his actual name. I guess that's pretty sick. Yeah, I thought they were just like a nickname, but then I looked it up like oh no, that's his name. He was also in the Olympics, I guess, and I didn't know anything about him. I never seen him fight, to be honest, but seeing him in person and, yeah, the competition wasn't really all that, but as a heavyweight, seeing the way he moved and he's marketable, well-spoken, loves to dance got the crowd going. Yeah, he was fluid, yeah, and his feet were very good for his size and that's really all you need in in the heavyweight division, because it's to do something anyway is really good feet, but he has the power too, and the big thing for me was the size. I'm looking at him and the movement and I'm like, okay, this, this guy could definitely do something yeah, yeah, there's a lot to work with, with that dude, yeah, a lot, and the heavyweight division is wide open.
Speaker 2:He's going to climb the ranks fast, but it's got good young guys, which is is really cool. Yep and dude, when he came out too, like it was. I don't know what the song was, it was some like australian song, but the crowd was bumping to it. He was dancing. You see this giant figure. He looked like aquaman dancing like it was.
Speaker 2:He does look like aquaman yeah, and and like he was humble and like he was just. It was just a good dude. He was taking pictures with everyone after, so it was cool to see like somebody I I haven't heard of. Oh man, that that was loud, that sounded like a bomb. A bomb was going off, just the power of the fucking rogues bro, what is that a zin zin? Are you zin?
Speaker 1:it's a zin competitor rogue, they're, they're fatter they're juicier.
Speaker 2:I never got on that crap because I have like a very addictive personality.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I chewed tobacco for 15 years.
Speaker 2:Geez, yeah, that's bad that well, that australian dude, uh, terramana, terramana, I think I'm saying he looks like he chewed tobacco. Yo he should. I just thought of this. He should look like he chews fucking lug nuts. Yo what? Yes, you're right, what's uh? What's the rocks um? What's the rocks? Like tequila, I think it's taramana right, yeah, I think so is that right?
Speaker 2:I don't know if we're saying his name right, but he should get sponsored by them, because then he'd be Terramana Terramana sponsored by Terramana Tequila. But all right, I'm going, I'm just fucking going all over the place, fucking airball dude. Oh yeah, that's another TikTok trend. We're everywhere today. Man, I'm all fucked up now. But yeah, he looked good. And then the co-main was Andy Cruz Versus the Asian dude, right, yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't remember the guy's name, but he got fucking waxed bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pretty bad, and the only real takeaway I have from this was what's the guy on DAZN? He also started with like a showbiz Biz the adult, whatever his name is With also started with like a showbiz biz the adult whatever his name is with the bug eyes. Oh yeah, showbiz, showbiz. Yeah, he posted something and he was talking about how like flat-footed andy cruz was and he's like I don't know, something looks wrong with him. He looks very flat-footed and I'm like dude, he's, he's with boots, senior, right like he. He's. He's clearly trying to sit down on his punches and it worked. He, he, not. He got the guy out of there like his power wasn't really translating his few fights before this and, okay, maybe his feet didn't look as good as they have, but we know he has feet like he. He's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's always had great feet like yeah, I think showbiz just misinterpreted what he was seeing, because he was right in noticing what he saw. Yeah, yeah, I just think his analysis of it was wrong.
Speaker 2:what it seems like yeah, he was like I guess it's good you pointed that out, because I was like what the fuck is this guy? He's like, oh, his legs look wrong. Oh, great combo, his legs look really messed up. And I'm like, wait what? And it was clear he was trying to sit down on his punches to me anyway, and that's exactly what happened. He did and he got the guy out of there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's how it felt, Because I remember it was like when Plant fought Benavidez right, and in the beginning I thought Plant was going to be really light on his feet and move around and he was actually standing there in the pocket and I was like damn, I'm surprised by that. But uh, I was like it was clear he was trying to stay in the pocket with benavidez and make him miss there.
Speaker 2:Yep so I feel like and plant, we know, has great feet too, so it wasn't.
Speaker 1:It wasn't like I don't think anything's wrong with his legs, but yeah, yeah, I just think he missed and like diagnosed what he saw yeah, yeah, and sometimes too, I I could say from experience doing this stupid, shitty podcast uh, we all.
Speaker 2:when you have to talk, you get a lot of air balls, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:It's the worst. I do it all the time.
Speaker 2:Sometimes I listen back I'm like what? No, he didn't beat him. And I'm like, oh man, but that's why it's good to have more people to check me and check each other. But then on to the main event. Richardson Hitchens and you know, willie was there with me, so I hope he's okay he was going to chime in on this one. Richardson Hitchens defeats George Ferocious Cambosis in style, got an eighth round stoppage. This was clearly Richardson Hitchens' career-defining performance to me. Not even when he got the belt. He showed out here that the stoppage was plus money. So the stoppage TKO KO was plus money for him. So it wasn't expected. But he hit the under right. I don't know, did he? I didn't check, I think yeah, it was nine and a half. He hit him in eight. I think he did hit the under actually, because I actually hit a bet on that too. So, yeah, I had andy cruz and I andy cruz. Um, what's his face? Quichon's rival, that's what I call him, and it is andy cruz, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's why I was like yeah, yeah, my bad, my bad. Every time I say cruz, bro, my mind goes somewhere else and I think people, yeah, like no matter what.
Speaker 1:So andy cruz, I had and andy ruiz too, so that's good. Yeah, that's another one.
Speaker 2:But uh, yeah, I had him stoppage with, uh, richardson hitchens stoppage or tk okay or whatever, and they both hit. So I won some bread on that, which was very nice, but I was, I was really. So where we usually sit when we go to these fights at the hulu there's like two sides, right. One side is like would be, in this case, cambosis's family, and the other side is would be the other opponents, like family and fans, which is like hitchens, in this case, cambosis's family, and the other side is would be the other opponents, like family and fans, which is like hitchens's family or whatever right. So usually we're on the other side, like the hometown side, which would be hitchens, in this case, for whatever reason, this side I got and like I don't pick, we got cambosis side and I've sat there before actually the josh taylor teo fight.
Speaker 2:I was there so like I, so I knew how it went. But whatever, bro, the Cambosis fan base was actually really cool. I got to give it to the Australians. They were cool, they were knowledgeable, they knew what Cambosis was going into and they were very friendly to Willie and I as well, even with me going crazy because I was rooting for Hitchens. So that was really cool to see with that australians are an awesome fan base bro yeah, no, they really are.
Speaker 2:And I'm gaining like the more australia, like all we had really from australia that I could remember is zoo, the zoos like tim zoo and uh and his, his dad, really. So now, seeing that more and more australian fighters are coming like the heavyweight and jeffick way back in the day oh yeah, finnick too, yeah, but then you had guys like you know.
Speaker 1:You had Jeff Horn for a little bit.
Speaker 2:Jeff Horn yeah.
Speaker 1:Anthony Mundine fucking knocking out Shane Mosley, and shit, I do, I do forget about Jeff Horn too, I guess the fucking.
Speaker 2:But Cambosis really to me, was he? He really not other than the zoo family? Cambosis really captured with the huge upset. So he captured us, he, he hit the mainstream, hit the spotlight, and you know he, it was just cool to see all those Australians that being friendly and knowing. Like you know, I even said I was like, listen, I'm rooting for Hitchens, but if Cambosis won, I I wouldn't be mad at the guy.
Speaker 1:He's very likable. Yeah, he dm'd me after I was like did he? What'd he say? Because, like, well, because he commented on that meme I made about him. Yeah, yeah, some guys like I'm tired of seeing him. He's like well, you're gonna see me in your mom's bed tonight and so I like that's.
Speaker 2:So you see how cool it is. Like I think I told you this too. He called me a pelican once and I was like yo, that's awesome, I don't know, I don't know, but it was also like this guy just called me a pelican well he.
Speaker 1:I posted his comment on my story because it was hilarious. Yeah, he messaged me. He's like you shouldn't disrespect real fighters, bro. Oh yeah, and I thought I was like dude to be honest with you, like I'm on record on this podcast saying like, yeah, like george deserves respect, like he got the title and immediately was gonna fight loma and then haney, when loma couldn't fight, I was like I absolutely do respect you, but my page is like I make fun of everyone. I was like if you won, I would have made fun of hitchens too. Like I had one ready like that. Like it's nothing personal, it's just like a comedian roasting dude.
Speaker 2:He's like I get it you told me caleb plant, one of your favorite fighters, and you've roast him as well. There's no bias in your page at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you're the one getting made fun of and you don't know who this person is. It's not like he knows me before that, yeah. So he was like yeah, your shit's funny, but I give my all to this man. I've only lost to world champions and I like yeah, and look at the comments, there's fans saying exactly that and that's like what I was talking about.
Speaker 2:Even with the australia, like obviously the australian fan base was very like sad when, when he lost which I get and I was telling him like dude, but but you don't understand. Like he's gonna go down and like the his, like the old, those weird boxing encyclopedia books. Right, they're gonna talk about george cambosis, how he ducked nobody and it was all our fans are gonna remember him, for sure, yeah like like nobody.
Speaker 2:That being said, I I will say, like, for his health, I I'm okay with him like retiring. I know he won't, because he's all heart and he's, he's pure, he's a fighter, he's, he's a pure fighter. And dude, his entrance was electric too. He came out to like some eminem song and like he was just pacing back and forth.
Speaker 1:It was cool to see, it was entertaining yeah, he's an entertaining guy, but uh, you know he needs to. He needs to if because I don't know what his goal is, because he's gotten so many big, like big fights after the tia, he hit a lot like he.
Speaker 2:He got lightning in a bottle and kept it going for as long as he could, so right, but I feel like that bottle is officially empty.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm?
Speaker 2:saying, yeah, I think this was like eye-opening and, and like we talked about in the last show, his, his previous, like three fights. Two of them could have went either way and you know. So whatever he's but I'm not.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying he can't get a big fight after this, I'm saying his next fight can't be like a title fight.
Speaker 2:No, I think I think at this point and I'm going to speak on this again uh, with another fight, is he's kind of like a gatekeeper now which, whatever, I just don't want I think he's oh yeah he's made so much money in the sport. Like I, like the guy like we talked about, like I don't want to see him get like hurt no, but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Like I feel like he's in that austin trout territory. Yeah, exactly, he's got that big win. So beating him is recognizable for these guys, like, because then he went on to fight all the charlos and laura and canela and all that pretty much what cambosis did. I bet you. Is he with eddie now? Is he officially with ed who?
Speaker 2:Kambosis yeah, I think, I think he is yeah, right.
Speaker 1:Dude Eddie is for sure going to try to make him versus Dalton Smith.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, I could see that. So you know what the English circuit and stuff. That'd be good. That'd be a cool card, cool for him too. Go make your money over there. He'll make a lot of money over there. I'm sorry I got sidetracked again quick because somebody I don't know who this is said Puma is the fucking man on the comments. We're new to this. Who is it? I don't know? Hk, but thank you, hk. If you don't already have a free shirt, I'll send you one. Sorry, all right, sorry, all right. Anyway, but yeah, I could see the. That's what I mean. Eddie's probably going to feed him because he knows he's going to fight again. He's going to feed him to guys. Yeah and yeah, but anyway, it wasn't all about Kambosis. But that, see what he just did. See what Kambosis just did. He lost right, clearly, and it has real boxing fans talking about his heart and how great he is. Like, like, that's something to be said in itself, like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Right, we had a whole segment on him and we'd even get to Hitchens yet, but now we're going to, now we're going to get to Hitchens, yeah, I mean a lot of people thought he they're like he gets called boring a lot because he has had some boring fights, had some boring fights, but there's when there's fights where he's in it, like that, you know, like dropping people and yeah, and and, like I said, he's the closest thing to shakur without being shakur.
Speaker 2:Style wise that's my opinion he's. Stylistically, he's the closest thing to shakur without being shakur. And it was all jab baby, he, he was making that jab. That jab looked fucking sharp versus cambosis. Yeah, he's got a very good one and and everything he did after the jab like he was setting shots up with the jab, like what you're supposed to do, he wasn't reaching his distance was perfect, and cambosis did try to muck it up at times, like that was, you know, he, he and I wrecked props to cambosis for that.
Speaker 2:Like he, he did the right thing, but it it was just good to see and I'm happy for Hitchens. Before, though, when I was talking about the fan base right, actually, let me get to that at the end. Let me stay on a little bit of track here. One thing I saw in Hitchens that I haven't seen right and which I liked is his body attack. Usually the guys that fight at a distance like that, off the jab, they don't really go to the body, and he started eating cambosis his body up, and that was also a good wrinkle I saw.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to know where that came from. I could be. I want to know if he just felt good doing it in camp or if they kind of saw that in tape, yeah, and then started doing it in camp and he got confident at it or what. But yeah, it was like, uh, I don't know, dude, but it was, it was, it was nice to see. Yeah, it's definitely a good tool to have. And people who are really good at it, like because now like it, like all these, all the guys at 140, think they can beat the shit out of each other or they have history right, yeah. But I mean like, let's be honest, they're still fighters. They're still going to watch him, knowing that he can win uh-huh. And now that he has that tool and it's shown proof that he has fight stopping power within that tool, yeah, like, yeah he's.
Speaker 2:He just became even harder for people to fight. Yeah, and and like, even whether he saw it from Kambosis' last fights or whatever, or just worked on it in camp, it proved to work. And it's another wrinkle in his game now. And listen, he's a tough out. He's a tough out. I'm a TO sexual. He's a tough out for TO. So he's smart, he moves correctly, he's disciplined, he stays focused and his stock just keeps rising with every fight and stays focused and his stock just keeps rising with every fight and that's what you want to see.
Speaker 1:So, stylistically, a nightmare for teo yeah, oh, 100, I agree.
Speaker 2:Just just a total nightmare. The only thing I'll say is teo has more zip than cambosis, I feel so he'll.
Speaker 1:He'll get hit with something that that could shock that wave, you know yeah, he doesn't roll through teo like anywhere remotely close to how he did cambosis, to be honest, but it's a tough fight for, yeah, a hundred percent, and, and again, I'm a Tio sexual and I agree with you there.
Speaker 2:But back to the fans, and I don't want to speak too too much on this. Uh, dude, uh, what is with Bill Haney? I don't know, bro, like what? So, dude, we were two or three rows behind bill and his I guess devin's brother, right, and I saw bill posted something about him in brooklyn. He's looking for teo, he's looking for hitchens where are they? And then, like bill's at the fight and he's sitting ringside, like literally ringside bro, he's, he's standing, he's standing up the entire fight just standing there, screaming, yelling, and at one point I'm like yo sit, we can't see. He has long. He has sort of like an afro. I think he has an afro.
Speaker 1:He looks like Sideshow Bob bro.
Speaker 2:Dude, he's got long hair. I couldn't see shit and it was crazy dude. And we're screaming. I'm like what are you doing? And it's just, it's a really. I like bill. He chops it up with the fans, he talks boxing. So I don't want to like roast him too bad, but it's just getting to be a really weird flex for me, like you're. It's like your, your son's almost 30 years old. You're going to your son's job right and your son's off that day hitchens versus cambosis and you're yelling at your son's co right and your son's off that day Hitchens versus Cambosis and you're yelling at your son's coworkers. That's what it looks like to me. It's like if our parents went to our job because we were getting bullied.
Speaker 1:And not even his coworkers, because he's not in the same weight class or under the same promotion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that too. And dude, they were like, listen, I'm a heckler, they were heckling.
Speaker 1:They wouldn't stop. They would not stop. This is why it also doesn't make any sense, because it's not like they're really trying to get that fight, because I mean Hitchens, when it was his turn to get on the mic, he was like unfiltered, yeah, yeah, you know, abrasive as hell, like let's fucking fight. And then Devin was like he tweeted, tweeted out he's like we can do it at 147, like what you know that like the dude just won the title, yeah, like stop also too.
Speaker 2:It like formed an alliance, almost like he's bringing people together because teo was there and him and hitchens were like. You know, they've always been friendly, their, their, their shit. Talk has always been about competitiveness, really, and like now they're like yo fuck these, fuck, fuck the Haney's, what the hell.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's all got to. Just I bet you Bill's just doing it to get people to talk about Devin without Devin having to do it. But how weird is that? It's very I don't know. It's annoying, but it works because look what we're doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I don't know if we're not really talking about Devin.
Speaker 1:We're talking about Devin we're talking about. Bill, yeah, but talking about Bill gets you. So I I don't think I'm saying is like I see what he's doing. But the thing is I think everybody sees what he's doing.
Speaker 2:I he's. He is caught bringing eyes to his son, I guess, but like it's just odd to me that you're where's Devin, like if Devin was there doing that, that'd be, that'd be way better.
Speaker 1:Oh dude, like it's crazy because Devin got his ass beat by Ryan. At the time we didn't know about the Ostrich. When we watched that fight, nobody was like PEDs, everybody was like dude, damn, devin got his fucking ass beat, yep, got mocked on the internet by everybody, yep. And then goes to court Like a few people took his side. Most people are like that this is a pussy move. You're going to court trying to say he battered you, hitting guys out in public, finally gets up, gives up his title. Instead of fighting sandor martin, she gives up the title. Yeah, fights in that new york city card. Does like, even though he dominates, gets no credit for it. Like there's almost no favorable reviews for that fight and it's like Bill's just doing anything he can to keep people talking about Devin. It's like nobody takes like Devin has fans, but like most people are like bro, what are you hyping up? Like a dude who got dropped four times and then moved I'm not going to say ran, but damn near ran the whole fight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was just very, very, very odd and it's getting odder because he's not stopping. He was at, so I just saw it. Now. I guess this weekend in New York City was Fanatics Fest where, like all the like, all great athletes go, like Tom Brady, I'm sure you saw it. Yeah, they do. It's kind of cool. Canelo was there and we're going to talk about that too. Terrence Crawford did their what's it called their press conference there just now, sunday yesterday, right, and Bill was there again talking shit to hitchens. So it's like he like stalked him. Yeah, like what are you doing? Dude? It's bill's a grown like a legit and hitchens kind of smiles, like what are you doing? Like now, because it's weird. Yeah, now it's getting. And again, bill has always been receptive. I've spoken to him, I've had convos, I've seen him with other fans talking boxing. He's always been receptive and I'm not saying don't stick up for your kid, but don't fight your kids.
Speaker 1:Fights for him, like it's it's, or start fights for your kid, I don't know don't become obsessed with a guy who's not even a realistic opponent, because you know what they're doing. They're painting this whole picture like, oh, we chased after hitchens, we chased after hitchens, he didn't want to fight. It's like, well, you didn't want to fight him for his title.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he's 140. He's actually still 140. Yeah, and I guess what is Devin Haney? Because they were going to do it. He's 145, whatever, that is For the.
Speaker 1:Ramirez fight right. Yeah, he's 145. And then he wanted to fight Teal at 145. 145.
Speaker 2:And then he wanted to fight Teal at 145. I guess they said that Teal wanted I don't know what to believe, but they said Teal wanted to catch weight at 145. I don't know, but what is 145? Is that a new weight class?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's the.
Speaker 2:Haney weight.
Speaker 1:It's the Haney weight. Remember Canelo weight back in the day? Yeah, yeah, when he'd fight all his middleweight fights at 155.
Speaker 2:Or what's the other one, the Bridger weight? It's the Haney Bridger weight. Oh yeah, the made-up, we just need another weight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's so dumb. A good jumping-off point unless you had anything else to say.
Speaker 2:No, no, that's really. I just want to make it clear that I'm it's getting really, really odd and and at the hitchens fight he was literally like badgering hitchens while hitchens is fight like if I did that, I'm a fan. You know what I mean. I'm a nobody, like like a fighter's, a fighter's, a really top 10 fighters. Dad shouldn't be badgering another fighter.
Speaker 1:That's for us especially when the fight is irrelevant, probability wise is not gonna happen like that's, that's our job, that's all so.
Speaker 2:But no, no, what were you gonna jump off on?
Speaker 1:well, you know who devin did verbally agree to fight at 147 right. Who brian norman?
Speaker 2:oh okay, before brian norman's fight okay, and then what happened with that?
Speaker 1:then, well then, well, I don't know, but brian, uh, haney came out and tweeted after that he's like maybe brian isn't so ass yeah, he's not.
Speaker 2:He's not so ass, because that brian norman fight was insane and yeah, we could just jump right into that brian norman uh, was it on a? What day was that fight on? I re-watched the whole fight. It's thursday morning yeah so so it was a thursday, because sometimes I know that the j fights are on like Tuesday mornings.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So, whenever it was, he stole the boxing, all the boxing shit that's going on, the drama, the announcements, whatever. Brian Norman stole the show in a fight that nobody in America watched. He stole it. I know, and listen, I didn't. The only fights I really wake up for is, in a way and even them, sometimes I I don't better over there, but brian norman did what you're supposed to do over there because he, he got our attention, he got the boxing world's attention and I'll let you take it from here, you go ahead, but he, he did his fucking thing, man, yeah, and it wasn't even, because the knockout is what everybody's talking about, but and like how he set it up and everything, but like nobody's talking about he was fucking cracking that dude.
Speaker 2:The whole fight, dude, like leading up to that so the first round I don't know if that check hook was hard or this guy just got, because he did get hit in that sweet like behind the head spot not behind the head, but the top of your head spot when your cerebellum gets all fucked up. I don't know if I'm saying that right. That check hook that knocked him down in the first round, right, I was like, was that hard? Does this guy not have a chin? And then I thought it was going to be all over because he got knocked down again in the second half of the first round. But the second round, what's his name? Jin Sasaki, yeah, sasaki. The second round Sasaki showed heart and did something. He came back and he gained respect. But then it was the whole Brian Norman, whole brian norman show after that. But you are right, he possesses power in both hands.
Speaker 1:So yeah, and he.
Speaker 2:He has a better ring iq than I think I gave him credit for too yeah, and that's like I know everyone's talking about the setup, but that setup was clean. He was like baiting him he, he saw something.
Speaker 1:Oh, hold on one second hold on.
Speaker 2:It's all good. Oh man, there's like a domestic going on back there. All right, guys, it's just puma. Now this episode is. It's getting weird. Um, we are live again, so bear with us. We had technical difficulties. We were rolling. Oh man, someone's fighting in the background. I hope everyone's okay. Willie didn't show up. What's going on in the world? What is going on in the world? Willie is not here. There's some kind of dispute going on.
Speaker 1:She's freaking the fuck out on this dog oh, she's yelled at a dog.
Speaker 2:It was not person on person.
Speaker 1:Uh, shane, shane and jane is back bro, they got this puppy and she fucking on that thing all the time.
Speaker 2:It's so funny I was telling. I was telling her like, oh, I think that willie's missing. There's some kind of domestic dispute going on back there no, no um but no, she got.
Speaker 1:She got that, that puppy for her girlfriend and, okay, her girlfriend and I love the fucking dog, but yeah yeah, puppies are, puppies are, puppies are.
Speaker 2:So much work bro yeah, and he's.
Speaker 1:He's no exception to that. Let me see if I can. He's no exception to that.
Speaker 2:Let me see if I can. It's all. Good, bro, I don't care this episode is. I'm going to chop up clips anyway because we had the technical difficulty. Willie's not here.
Speaker 1:That should help a little bit.
Speaker 2:No, you sound way different. Do I sound bad? No, you sound all right, you just sound different. We were rolling too, man, my bad dude. She had to beat the puppy. Beat that damn puppy. Fucking women ruin everything, bro. They make everything nice too. Brian Norman, yeah, Brian Norman Jr. What do you think? The only thing bad about Brian Norman Jr for me was at the end of the fight, when he came at Boots a little bit. He had a cool one-liner. He definitely stirred that up before the fight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he also has rejected fight offers from Boots before.
Speaker 2:Exactly, listen. He had his moment, he did his thing and he shot his shot. I guess you could say, and it's like Again, yeah, it was a little petty. If you know boxing like if you follow boxing, you don't have to know it, but if you follow boxing religiously, like us, it was a little petty, that's all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was just opportunistic, is all it was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, great word, opportunistic.
Speaker 1:Look at you Because it's like if Boots was at 147 before that, you could have had the fight, Barrios could have had the fight. You know Boots wouldn't have turned down either one of those.
Speaker 2:But I will say, I will say like, based off this performance and the way that Norman won, I'm all for a Boots-Norman fight at 147 now, based off how he solidified himself here.
Speaker 1:I want to see him fight again. For sure I don't want to say I don't want him to lose so I can be like, oh, I told you. No, I like watching him fight. He's entertaining, he's got power. I want to see him fight again. He's on top rank. Barrios is on PBC. They're not going to. That's not a huge fight that they're going to make into a crossover, especially with PBC.
Speaker 2:Wait Barrios.
Speaker 1:What do you mean? Because he's another champion at 147.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what's going on with the Barrios thing.
Speaker 1:Well, I like I love Mario. Well, I like I love mario barrios, like, and I know the dude, but like, let's be honest, he, he beat ugas in a really good fight, yeah. And then he fought my donna's little brother and he's like I was swollen after the fight and rohan palanco just ran through that guy, yeah. And then he fought abel ramos, went life and death with ramos, who hadn't fought since that Benavidez plant card and lost. And he went life and death with Abel Ramos and now he's. I just feel like PBC knows like.
Speaker 2:He's getting paid. He's fighting Pacquiao.
Speaker 1:He's getting yeah, they're getting him big fights because he's a world title holder, but they know he, like he, probably can't beat most guys in the top 10, let alone the top five. But then it hurts to say because, like I said, I really like the dude and I don't want people think I'm shitting on him because he is talented but just the reality of the situation is like I don't know, like norman and boots wouldn't have gone live for death with abel ramos, I don't think, and I don't think they would have gone live for death with my donna, neither. No, not that Maidana. I think what they're trying to set up is they're trying to set up Barrios versus Rowley at 147 on the PBC side. They're not even going to entertain a Norman fight.
Speaker 2:Or Pacquiao versus Rowley. Think of the numbers. That does.
Speaker 1:If Pacquiao wins the title, he ain't going to fight. I don't know who he would fight next. I don't think Roley would be disrespectful to Pacquiao and talk shit.
Speaker 2:I don't think he would I don't know, man Roley's a wild card, though you never know. He rolled the dice with Roley. Is that an air ball again or no?
Speaker 1:No, no, especially if it's coming off of the Ryan win.
Speaker 2:Yeah, ooh, that might be a shirt, cause he's from Vegas. Roll the dice with Rolly. Yeah, but he's, he's with um SLA, so they make all his shirts oh okay, uh, yeah, well, uh, if you didn't know, punchlines is in the shirt business and oh, and I mentioned his name earlier, Rohan.
Speaker 1:That's why I wish Willie was here. I know, dude, we're making.
Speaker 2:Polanco shirts. That's Willie's guy. Dude, that's Willie's guy. I really hope Willie's. Okay, this is not like him, but yeah, keep it moving. Brian Norman Jr man, he's arrived and you know what he did too, which I liked and I kind of alluded to it earlier when we started this segment on him. Was he made people have to watch this? Like, started this segment on him, was he? He made people have to watch this? Like we all had to go back and now watch this because he took over the internet.
Speaker 1:He stole.
Speaker 2:It went viral on every outlet, every sports outlet. It was probably knockout of the year so far. Definitely, this is easily so far. Yeah, there's still some and that guy wasn't like a nobody he's. He's in like top 15, top 10. It wasn't like he knocked out a nobody at all. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, he, he wasn't knocking out guys that people make fun of boots for fighting yeah he, he knocked out a somebody, just not big in the american market, but props to him, knocked him out bad dude, very bad, and also to work prayers up for that guy, but he can't remember shit yeah, that's another thing that went out that you gotta mention that who like if?
Speaker 2:if someone on my team like, right, I get, say me and you fight and you knock the shit out of me, right, and like someone from my camp or my team leaks that I can't remember anything, I'm gonna last six weeks of your life I'm gonna be so upset with you guys. I'm going viral for getting knocked the fuck out. Someone's getting fired and they deserve it. Whoever did that's an asshole.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel I don't know, because it's not like a doctor can do that.
Speaker 2:How many Brian Norman Jr fans are they in Japan? This dude got knocked out.
Speaker 1:How many are there in America?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:That's not a shot at him, that's just being no yeah, like the south and georgia is probably his, his biggest fan base, obviously. But like why? Why in the world would someone leak? That's like like I don't know I don't know a good analogy for it, but like me getting knocked out cold at yankee stadium and then all all my friends leaking that I can't remember six, six months of my life or whatever it was. Yeah, leaking that out as as my memory's finally coming back, yeah, I think he fucked someone's girl in his crew for sure, right, like what the fuck?
Speaker 2:fuck that guy, whoever did that. Um, prayers up for fucking sake too. Yeah, that's nuts. Yeah, sake and willie are in our prayers today. We're very religious show today. Uh, yeah, brian norman jr man, good weight class, I guess. A good weight class who, who knows? No, not now it's an okay weight class.
Speaker 1:Everybody moved up all the top guys that we wanted to see fight each other moved up I actually posted something about it.
Speaker 2:The shirts that the guy you just signed, polanco right? I want to see that fight because they both have power in both hands.
Speaker 1:Polanco and Norman. Yeah, Is Polanco at 47 or 40? For some reason.
Speaker 2:I thought he was at 40., 47. Oh yeah, he's coming up then and they both kind of have a similar style like not slower pace, Like I want to see that fight. They both get hit a little bit more than they should.
Speaker 1:Nasty on the inside.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's. That's a great fight to make. Ones with top rank, the other is not. But I know, paul, they're both with top rank. Oh shit, you're right, I was in Japan. They are both with top dude. That's the fight to make. Easy fight to make. Yeah.
Speaker 1:If cause the 26th on that Shushu and Zayas card, if he can show out there. Yeah, he's got a good following too. He's got 40,000 Instagram followers.
Speaker 2:Dude, the Dominican Republic, Polanco. In boxing, especially Polanco, is just style-wise. That's a great fight to me. Again, who knows what could happen? Who knows what's going to happen? This is boxing, and this is fucking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bro, and like remember what you were saying about how your amateur pedigree doesn't really matter to you all that much. On saturday, before those top rank cards started, there was that da zone card and highly decorated amateur Gualia Fi got fucking upset.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he fucked up my parlay too. He was a minus 400. I had a fucking Sorry. Now you got me going. I had a fucking 15-fight parlay, right and I do?
Speaker 1:How can you call yourself an experienced gambler and bet on a Brit to beat?
Speaker 2:a Mexican I know.
Speaker 1:It just doesn't happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, especially in England.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when they're the heavy favorite, it doesn't go well.
Speaker 2:You're 110% right. I should have thought that, but I'm like yo minus 400?.
Speaker 1:I even made a joke about it. Before the fight A guy asked me you watching the Yafai fight? I'm like, nah, I'm going to be at the gym and doing yard work and stuff. I'm going to be following it, though you think he wins. I was like I don't know, he's fighting a Mexican. He might get knocked out.
Speaker 2:It's always the case.
Speaker 1:He didn't get knocked out, but he lost.
Speaker 2:It's always the fucking case there.
Speaker 1:He almost got knocked out too. He got hurt bad in that 12th round.
Speaker 2:Something tells me, eddie does it on purpose to sign more Mexicans.
Speaker 1:It's got to be hard. It's got to be hard, or just to attract their fan base.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's got to be some kind of conspiracy scam, because dude time and time again.
Speaker 1:Time and time again, mauricio Lara's knocked out like three of them. Yep Andy Ruiz Munguia knocked out Ryder. Canelo knocked out Billy Joe Saunders.
Speaker 2:Canelo don't really count to me, but yeah, he's Mexican, but he's not real Mexican. What We'll get there, we'll get there. I'm just being stupid. He's Mexican before I get roasted. But um, oh man, don't go peepee again no he just runs around under their feet uh, yeah, that that's really it for brian norman jr. Um, and the zone card. Yeah, the zone card.
Speaker 2:I honestly I didn't catch the entire zone card because I mean either I only watched the last half of that main event and, and I will tell you why because the the middle of the day stuff and there is fights on there I wanted to see. But the middle of the day stuff, you know it, it it kind of sucks for american markets because, yeah, saturday nights are perfect, you know, like if you don't want to go out, my wife doesn't want me to go out, it's perfect. Okay, I'll just stay in and watch boxing on my laptop and you could watch your rom-com. You know what I'm saying? So it's actually like the middle of the day stuff doesn't work out good, and I'm going to allude to why I keep saying that. And at the, the back half, Canelo and.
Speaker 2:Crawford Middle of the day stuff. Remember that Locked, loaded, we're in there. What was it in the middle of the day? You had anything you wanted to say on the DAZN card? Go ahead.
Speaker 1:That's the only fight I even wanted to talk about.
Speaker 2:That one dude. I had a 15 fight or 12 fight, I forget what it was. Parlay Most of them. I think there was one that wasn't a favorite in there. I forget who it was. I think it might have been like someone to go decision or distance and it did, and the only one that fucked me up was that fight. I was like God damn.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're dumb for doing that, bro. You fucked up.
Speaker 2:It was quick.
Speaker 1:It was a quick, quick bet. Oh never pick a favorite against a mexican in england.
Speaker 2:In england, what happened?
Speaker 1:I don't know you for yeah, you're back, we're good were you at that whole top rank card on saturday you watched every fight.
Speaker 2:Uh, yeah, not, yeah, we got there pretty, we got there pretty early. Yeah, uh, we missed like one, maybe one fight so you watched the brandon lee fight oh, yeah, yeah, uh. The only fights I missed that were like three local dudes before brandon lee and the one kid I wanted to see from brooklyn um, I forget his fucking name, but he's like three or four and oh no. But yeah, I did watch brandon lee. I forgot he was on the card actually yeah, they didn't even promote him bro.
Speaker 2:I was surprised, I think I and I said this to. I have a funny story, too, about who I met there, but I said this to one of my friends that happened to be there. I was like yo, I forgot brandon lee was on this card. And then I I saw him fighting and the guy he fought, he should have got the fuck out of there, and I see why they're not promoting him like like they should, wasn't he with?
Speaker 1:pbc too, was he? Oh yeah, and they were pushing him. He was getting like call me any events and shit.
Speaker 2:I I literally said I was like what happened to him? I thought he was, so I looked at his box wreck and he's not a knockout puncher he's not, he's got like over 30 fights he's.
Speaker 2:He's not a knockout guy, man he's. And and this guy he fought. He should have got him out of there. He won. Clearly the guy did fake like a low blow and took the full five minutes, which was fun like I've. I've never been in a fight where the guy takes the full five minutes and like he was getting screamed at like I was screaming. He doesn't even have balls, what the like? We're all going crazy. So that that was cool. But brandon lee should have got that guy out of there and he didn't. And then it it hit me after. I was like that.
Speaker 1:This is why brandon lee isn't really a draw well, because he had that one fight and he got dropped bad, he almost got knocked out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he won that fight, though, right, yeah, he, he hasn't lost. But then he got another fight against uh um, damn, I can't think of his name the last guy that TO knocked out TO's first fight at 140.
Speaker 2:Pedro Campa, campa, whatever, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, brandon Lee fought him and won a very controversial split decision. People thought the other dude should have won, so I remember he just faded out.
Speaker 2:I looked it up too. He fought Zachary Ochoa because I looked it up when I was there. I was like what happened to Brandon Lee. Like and how did I not know? He does not have power and he doesn't have. It looks to me it looks like he doesn't have that like drive you know, even trying to build him that British market, he signed.
Speaker 1:He signed with Queensbury over there, so he's been everywhere, or it was either Queensberry or those brothers, I can't remember his name. And then he came back, top Rank just signed him, but they didn't give him an ounce of promotion.
Speaker 2:I had no idea he was on the card until I was in there. I'm like Brandon Lee's on this card I had no idea and he has like over 200,000 followers. He's a popular dude on social media. I remember when he started, it was like in his garage or whatever, and I was like, oh, this is awesome, his dad. And it reminded me like ryan garcia, like ryan garcia started like in his garage and I was like this is kind of cool. And then pbc was pushing him hard and then he just kind of disappeared.
Speaker 1:Well, I had trainers tell me before that his dad's the problem. Okay, that could be it. They don't think they're like he's trained brandon as well as he can. Uh-huh, like they think he needs to get a better trainer somebody who's trained at this level before, because his dad just doesn't do, I guess, doesn't know a lot. I don't know. I've never watched him train. I've never. I haven't watched enough brandon lee fights to know how he does in the corner. But I know he has over. He has around 30 fights and he hasn't and he hasn't stepped up at all in the last five or six of them.
Speaker 2:And since this is my first time seeing him live two rows back or three rows back, whatever it was, and everybody was like he's got to get him out of there, like you've got to get this guy out of there. He was landing at will. He also doesn't throw enough. Oh was he just staring yeah, he sets shots up and, like he didn't get hit much, everything was there for him to take and that's what I mean.
Speaker 2:He doesn't have that like grit killer instinct, that second year he's missing, like something he's missing yeah and I'm not even saying you got to go out there and always be like a killer. It's good to be patient, but he's missing, like just. He doesn't have the power, he doesn't't have the dog.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but guys that get promoted like they're a top fighter in that weight class, knock guys like that out.
Speaker 2:And after the five-minute thing the guy took five minutes I was like, oh, he's going to go, he's going to go, and you know what?
Speaker 1:I'm glad I didn't see that or know that he was going to go because I would have put him in, you know be something, even if he gets his ass beat like he is a name, though.
Speaker 2:So I, I, literally when we walked in this is kind of funny, it's not off topic, Cause it was at the fight so Willie told me he can't go to the fights, right? So I was like all right, we're, we're big team, jahai guys, you can see the shirt, we're going to get there. So Willie said he can't go. I'm like all right, cool. I asked my friend Jamal. Jamal was like last minute, I can't go, so I was going to just go by myself. The fights the top-ranked card we're talking about was in Newark, new Jersey. I don't like going to New Jersey. Newark makes ghettos in New York and like hoods in New York look, look, very, very PG. Like Newark driving into Prudential Center. I'm like yo, what?
Speaker 1:are we right now? Newark sketch.
Speaker 2:Like, like and and listen. Every, every ghetto has got a hood. Every hood's got a ghetto. There's sketchy areas in every fucking state. Bro, newark was fucking insane dude. There is, you know, like like in New york. There's always the hipsters walking around yeah, newark, don't got that dude, newark was fucking just brick fucking city bro newark's got motherfuckers yelling at nobody like brick city dude?
Speaker 1:yeah, and I looked at my wife and I'm like all right, yeah, let's, let's take our little white asses down this road that whole part of the state, too, is shady as fuck and it's gross and it's like it smells like shit yeah, dude, yeah dude.
Speaker 2:It's like it's like industrial too, like like they're abandoned industrial buildings that are still smoking. So I'm like what is going on over here?
Speaker 1:then it just constantly smells like sewage, fucking marsh garbage, very, very.
Speaker 2:But prudential center was nice, I'll give them that that was a good little spot. Parking was easy, everything was good. So I had to buy my wife a ticket last minute because she was like, fine, I'll go. And I'm like, oh, thank you, I just don't want to drive alone, you know. I mean, I was willing to go alone. I knew some people that were going to be there. Cool, last minute, she, I buy her a ticket. I'm seat seven, she's seat nine on the floor. I'm like yo, somebody's gonna be in between us, so we get there. Yo, it's a dude. I know from like the fights at the hulu. I see him at all the fights he he has. He actually wanted a fucking jahai shirt. He's a good dude, bro. I see him all the time and yo, he goes. Yo, yeah, that's mad funny. He's like I bought this seat on purpose because I knew somebody, somebody would I, I was going to fuck somebody up. I was like, yeah, it was me. Man, it was funny, though I was like this fucking guy.
Speaker 1:That's funny as fuck. Yeah, yeah, good dude, good dude. I'd be mad as shit, dude. Imagine if you just started hitting on your wife the whole time. Yeah, like this was fake girl. Yeah, or she left with him. Oh god, that'd be even worse. I'm leaving with lysol fucking from chapelle. Show you know what I'm talking about I'm gonna stay.
Speaker 2:I miss the old chapelle show so much, it's so great, but uh, yeah, it was a good card. You could tell, though, that, like, top rank and espn are on their way out.
Speaker 1:They're just filling spots now oh yeah, they're doing what pbc did on fox.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you started getting like the bryant perella, tony harrison, main events and shit and, just by the production, my wife, actually, speaking of her, she loved it because she was like, oh, this is flying through, dude. There was like three knockouts right like early in the and you know how usually there's a lot of downtime. Then there was not a lot of downtime. I went to get beers. Twice I had to run back for two fights. I wanted to see Jahai Tucker and Damian Knieba, the heavyweight. I had to run back to my seat like shit, I can't get a beer. I got to run back. They started it. What the fuck?
Speaker 1:It was crazy and the commentator crew was not the normal crew. This people is holly and raul marquez and then I can't remember lady's name.
Speaker 2:Oh, um, I know. Uh, it's with a c. Uh, I forget her name too. She's awesome, though she's actually all right.
Speaker 1:She's usually on the she's yeah they weren't bad, but it was just zero of the christina poncher, christina, yeah and then I don't know who the fuck that was doing the interviews in the ring the guy that looked like gary oldman from the fifth element and you fucking have. You said dude, no, not the heavy set, dude, the guy with the weird like beard and he was wearing yeah, yeah, yeah I saw him too.
Speaker 2:I saw him. Who the fuck was that dude? Yo, I will say this though uh, before we get into, honestly, the only fight I really want to talk about here is I guess we could talk about the heavyweight fight that happened, but obviously jahai tucker, but the crowd, bro, the jersey sleaze balls were out for veto, like there was. There was fights in the crowd all night in the crowd. It wasn't a big crowd and it was these like older italian dudes with like flashy clothes on, like it was insane, like legit motherfucker, like gabagoons, like legit fights, like we're watching, like and you know, I've seen fights at fights in the crowd all the time. I've been involved in some and I'm looking, I'm like dude. This is weird seeing these like old white dudes throwing down these old italian white dudes, like old, old dudes, but they were it's a bunch of poly walnuts running around like no, no, dude, seriously, and like flashy ass, like button-ups that nobody would wear.
Speaker 2:I'm like, holy shit, vito really brought up the italianos.
Speaker 2:Good for him like oh, you're italian dude I'm talking like jet black hair gel, like gel that you could skate a tech deck on. If you don't know what a tech deck is, it's a skateboard, like it was funny, dude, but um, yeah, it, it was just very rushed and prudential center was cool it. They just they had like no lights on right and it was just these weird like basement lights on the ring yeah, dude, and a fucking the tiniest ring I think I've ever seen, ever everybody, everybody maybe the suit when tim zu fought tony harrison.
Speaker 1:That ring was small as shit, but it might be the same size.
Speaker 2:It was so small dude, that ring was fucking tiny and it looks like something you get for a kid's birthday party. So so, right away, I, we sat down and again, I'm friends with Jahai Tucker, that's my guy so I went there specifically for him. I go oh shit, they clearly want Vito to get a knockout. That's the first thing I thought. They want to ride with that Italiano, you know what I'm saying. So they want Vito to get a knockout. And the second thing I thought was you know, some people said Jahai was in a 50-50 fight before it started. So I'm like, oh shit, that's a small ring, jahai's a mover, he's slick. I'm like, fuck, this is, this is not, this is not going well, uh. But and then, dude, the heavyweights got in. Right, damien Knieba versus whatever the other Polish guy's name was, who?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That guy was fucking scary looking, yeah, but he could not box. For shit. Nothing, nothing at all, dude, nothing. But yo people were saying like, oh, I don't know, I don't know if they were real boxing fans or not, but they're screaming at Damien right, knock him out, do this, do that. And I'm like bro, this dude is a brute. He looked like a polish sausage, like if a polish swallowed a fucking football.
Speaker 1:if a kilbasi was a person, it's that guy, yeah dude and you're not knocking that guy out like that guy's not falling like you know, whenever they show like the stereotypical, like right, like alt-right militias and it's guys like bench pressing like car engines yeah, that's him, that guy car engine on each fucking side of a fence post benching it and like just looked like a menace.
Speaker 2:Apparently he's a nice guy. I've talked to somebody that knew him, but I'm like dude, I would not talk to that guy ever in my life no, dude, not unless I was like in prison and he's like yo you want.
Speaker 1:you want to be in my gang?
Speaker 2:Yes, and, and right now I mean BoxRec's rankings have Damien Kaniba or Niba at number one. And the only reason really I like that guy. He used to live like down the road from me, literally.
Speaker 1:What do you mean?
Speaker 2:number one Number one in what In their like Polish rankings.
Speaker 2:So, like you know, you know how BoxRec does that They'll rank them. How box rec does that they'll really rank like, which is kind of cool. I kind of like that, um, whether you agree with their ranking system or not, and sometimes I I usually don't, but it was cool to see he's number one in the polish rankings now, so good for him. You know, and, and you know he did win, he got the stoppage. I I think he needs to clean it up a little bit, but a lot of people don't know this.
Speaker 2:He in his team or his, his uh stable is zhang zhalai zhang, so I knew he could take I knew he could take a shot because we know zhang could pop and um his trainers, uh, sean george who, who used to fight back in the days, he's a really good trainer. He's got a stable with him and zhang and you know he's moving his way up and again. The point I'm making was, you know, nobody really cared for this fight, but I did hear that the last time he fought at prudential center it was loaded with polish people.
Speaker 2:It was like someone told me that holes come out bro, yeah, and they really yeah, yeah, dude, they really didn't for this fight. They didn't come out so crazy.
Speaker 1:Because they like, because kalnacki used to fight from out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's so. I've been to like two kalnaski fights and dude it was, it was fucking poland, it was poland and he, he didn't have a belt, he was, so I I was kind of expecting that, and and someone they didn't show up this time though, so but hey, whatever, uh, he, he just looked. They looked so big in that ring, dude, so big, and he looks giant especially like it looked like he was fighting in a urinal and he his balls, his balls.
Speaker 1:That me, oh god, dude. There was a comedy club that it was like it was high as fuck bro, I had to like stand on my tippy toes to piss in it isn't that the word.
Speaker 2:But then it gets weird too when it's low, because it's like oh dude, then it bounces back on your fucking shins and you're like am I in the right bathroom? Like what's on.
Speaker 1:I felt like every movie theater had a fucking urinal that went all the way down to the floor. I hated those things.
Speaker 2:And you forget, though, like little kids go to movies a lot more than adults, in a sense.
Speaker 1:Still, bro yeah.
Speaker 2:Go to the fucking stall and little shits, but uh, then you know, um, Then you know, I guess, yeah, we could just get right into the Jahai Tucker stuff. This was the most, and I almost I don't want to say I felt bad for Vito. But right off the gate, the minute the first press conference happened, it was the Jahai Tucker-Lorenzo Truck-Simpson show. I do wish that ESPN and or I guess, Top Rank, marketed this fight a little more, a little better, because these are two guys that only the real boxing fans know. You know, Right, Unless you're from the local, wherever they're from Baltimore and Long Island, New York. If you're not in that scene and you're from, like, the Midwest and you're just a casual boxing fan, you don't really know who these guys are. You may have seen them on a few other cards, but you don't know who they are. So I I do wish top rank took that, because you could tell, even even christina poncher and the top rank crew at the press conference were like shocked at the animosity between one another.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's history to it. I felt like it could have done a story on it and they've kind of dropped the ball on that a few times, yeah, like when troy icely and javi martinez fought they gave that fight no attention and that that is the problem.
Speaker 2:You, you make the fights better when you. You grab people's attention. That not us. We're gonna watch every stupid fight maybe not a 1 pm to zone card. We're gonna watch every stupid fight we could and it's like you need to grab our attention. Grab our fucking attention and and let us help you get the other people. You know what I mean and not just that.
Speaker 1:Look at what the UFC does Like when they get fights. You'll get two unranked guys on their way up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, they do a five-minute fucking interview. That's it. That's all you need.
Speaker 1:But then now even the guy that loses, you kind of have a connection with him, you want to see him fight again usually it takes one sound bite for someone to love you.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. Like, oh, I like that guy.
Speaker 1:And then to watch a fight, because the Jahai fight, the Jahai truck fight. That was a great fight, fucking, amazing, thoroughly enjoyable.
Speaker 2:And there was no knockdowns. That's when boxing is great to me, when it's a great fight, like to like to be a great fight. You don't need a guy getting knocked down every time or you knocking me down, me knocking you down like that doesn't always make a great fight. Tyson fury, deontay wilder won. It doesn't always have to be like that. You know what I mean. Yeah, this was a great fight because fucking two talented, young, hungry dudes with a real dislike, a backstory that only we would know. But a backstory, this was like a wwe type shit.
Speaker 1:You know they could have built that shit up and then a city rivalry too, because that's a big part of these guys, both maryland, baltimore maryland and and new york.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that it was this. This whole beef, I think, started, I don't know. They sparred once but then, like something happened with, like I think lorenzo was talking about jahai's like fake jewelry and jahai has like a jahai has a legit jeweler in new york. So like then they started just talking back and forth and then that's okay it is, it is.
Speaker 2:But then lorenzo lorenzo posted like uh, um, a picture of jahai like touching his toes, like walking back to the corner in a sparring match. So jahai was like yo, yo, fuck, you fight me, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then other fighters in that level chimed in and it was like it was cool. You could have talked about all that. You know what I mean. Like, think of the storyline, you could have ran with that. But just because it's not a belt doesn't mean it's not a good fight, you know, yeah, or just because the guys aren yet like, you can make them popular now, a hundred percent and dude. So now we'll get into the fight itself. Both of their styles I'm going to speak specifically on jahai's like jahai's style of fighting is, is what you want to promote. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:The guy's elusive but gets hit. He, he has dog in him and I'm going to talk more about that as we get rolling here but he's fun to watch, he, he, he entertains the crowd. He's entertaining, entertaining without knockouts. That's what you want, right, and? And that you can't really teach, that, in a sense. And he's elusive, but he comes to fight, so, so I was going to get into that. What I mean? Just give me your take on the fight first, cause you know I'm going to go off the rails. But first off, let me just ask you this Did you see?
Speaker 2:yeah, hell yeah, I was stoked I don't know which way I'm top rank, even posted a picture of him wearing it too, and and you know. So I'm gonna be honest and I know you're gonna go with me here. At first, when jihai came to you and was like, yeah, this is what I want, game seven, blah, blah, blah, we were like I don't know what he means by game seven, but whatever, uh, let's talk like.
Speaker 1:I got it, but I just didn't think it was the right way to go I got the idea of like game seven.
Speaker 2:You want to fight for your life, of course, but then I'm like whatever. And then it turns out like the next day was game seven of the nba finals. So it like worked out perfect. It couldn't have been any more perfect. So all the stars aligned on that one. But yeah, well, what'd you think of the fight itself?
Speaker 1:just give me your take and then I'll go off so it's like I was familiar with jahai already not as much as you so it's like his style. He gets a lot of flack for it because there's a lot of holes, but he also finds a way to make it work at the same time. Yeah, but early on what he was doing, because trucks of southpaw, the way he was turning him and like jumping on ink, like shifting real quick and then either throwing the jab or the straight right, I was like, damn bro, like this is like he's not just fighting, like there's like like he actually like studied and trained for this shit. Yeah. So I was really stoked about that. But you know, truck, uh, truck's good bro, like he's got. He's a little slower like his fight pace.
Speaker 2:I don't mean he himself is slow, I don't I just remember that, remember what you just said, because I'm going to speak on that too. Just remember that.
Speaker 1:All right, keep going sorry, yeah, I, I just think he fights at a pace that he likes to fight at and I was talking about it in a group chat and george garcia elijah garcia's dad, another middleweight contender he's talking about yo Trucks fought like that since he was an amateur. So I was like, huh, he just hasn't adapted yet, but he was landing a lot of shots and because he throws punches, I guess more technically sound than Jahai does, his punches would stand out, I guess. And he was wearing yellow, so it was like really bright, you notice it more?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, but Jahai was clearly outworking him and I saw that too. Like the, you actually texted me while we were there, not the miss ham convo, but you. You were like you're like yo, uh, you're like yo. These these rounds in the beginning are like hard to score, and they were. They were hard to score, even ringside. I was like, oh man, he, he's, jahai, is out working, but the cleaner shots appear to be landed by Lorenzo. So I was like, damn dude, this is going to be a good fight already.
Speaker 2:But one thing I like about Jahai and that he doesn't get a lot of credit for two things actually, but they tie together is one his resume, dude, he fights the guys and I've said it before before, but he fights the guys that nobody wants to fight. Like nobody wants to fight these eastern european dudes. That that that people know in sparring and he gets cracked by them. Right, he does get hit. Jahai does get hit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but jahai has something you can't teach. Like, usually you hit somebody right or you touch a hot stove. You never want to touch that hot stove again, right, when you, when you hit Jahai, he responds and his response is fuck you, motherfucker, I'm coming. And he throws more punches. He gets more active. Yeah, it's fun to watch, it's super fun to watch, it's amazing to watch and you can't teach that Like as humans we're supposed to. Like cower, you know, and it happens. You know, I'm not saying he's the toughest boxer alive, but he just has that dog in him where, like you, cannot you hit him and that's why he won a lot of the rounds. It wasn't like Lorenzo did bad Jahai just would get hit cleanly and respond Like he would respond instantly almost.
Speaker 1:And another thing that makes him fun to watch is because, dude, he leaves his chin up in the fucking air bro, so it's like it's 10, like when you're going for him because I was going for him. It's tense to watch because it's like, fuck dude, yeah, if he gets hit with a clean shot like this, could be fights over, bro.
Speaker 2:That's how much his chin is in the air all the time and then he'll bait you with it like he's baiting you with his chin is in the air all the time and then he'll bait you with it Like he's baiting you with his chin, Like he looks at you, he's putting it there and again I agree, I'm like oh fuck, oh fuck. But then you know he does make a miss. But when you do leave your chin there, like that right, Like he does I'm just solely talking about him, not everybody, buddy He'll bait you with his chin right when you miss, when he makes a miss, then, bro, they like spin.
Speaker 1:It's like a he's good at it.
Speaker 2:It's just a wiffle ball, miss Like and he does get hit.
Speaker 1:He does get hit, but but then he's got really good defense on the inside when he puts up his like that old school style Philly shell, he's like slapping it away. He's rolling with shit, like that's what I said too. It reminded me of an old school fight in the 50s or 60s, when guys who were 22 and 5, 24 and 9.
Speaker 2:Someone posted why does this look like a 1980s fight? I think I responded it was a random Instagram post. I think I responded, I don't know. I thought it. I was like isn't that what you want? That's awesome.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. Even the style clash too. Jahai has an old school style almost the way he blocks, like that and everything Because it's not what the Philly shell is now. It's what it used to be. That's how he blocks.
Speaker 2:When Jahai fought that Eastern European guy I'm thinking of. I forget his name, it's hard to say anyway, but he's in there, the one he lost to.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, he lost to Flaco. He's a hispanic. No, no, the eastern european guy that that he, um, he had a draw with uh veron and then he, he had this eastern european guy who he took jahai talked shit to like xander's eyes, like he went to the press conference once and like top rank, like fed. Jahai, like all xander's eyes is, is like camp, and this Eastern European guy was like Like Xander Zayas is like Lead sparring partner and dude. This dude I never really heard of him. He could fuck. He's Eastern European, that's all I have to say. Yeah, he could take a hit and he could fucking crack. I my whole perception Of Jahai changed. This dude cracked Jahai right and the punch he hit him with was so clean jihai got stunned.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying he wasn't just if I really got like rock and it's like stumbling a little bit, he got it and then he, he like shook it off and just came like a rapid dog bro, like it was.
Speaker 2:It was insane and and it actually helped him in a sense. And when I saw that I was like, all right, I I think he could take a hit and he doesn't get enough credit for that like he could take a fucking hit. I'm not saying you should always take hits, but his chin, his chin is fucking good.
Speaker 1:He's got whiskers yeah, I don't think he gets discredited for his chin. I just think he gets discredited more for the fact that he gets hit a lot yeah, I'm talking solely more about Tim Bradley.
Speaker 2:Tim Bradley loves to roast Jahai.
Speaker 1:No, these announcers were all about him. They brought up. They're like, yeah, he leaves his chin out there. They're like he does a lot of things you shouldn't do, but he does a lot of things you should do. And they were talking about he's out Every time. They said exactly what you said Every time. They said exactly what you said every time. Lorenzo would land. Jahai would answer Every time.
Speaker 2:And I'd even rewatch it. Look at that. I'm right on par. Good for me.
Speaker 1:No, you said that to me during the fight.
Speaker 2:You texted me that Jahai keeps answering yeah, and he was and I'm not saying everything landed, but he'd get hit with a clean shot and I'd be like, oh fuck. And then he'd answer but listen, um, they're still very young too, dude. I think he, he, they're not even 25. Yet, like you know, and, and, and now I'm going to talk about lorenzo, like I don't think it's over for him, he's, he's not no, but I think I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know if he needs to change trainer. Oh, my goodness, the exact same way you took the words.
Speaker 2:You took the words right out of my mouth.
Speaker 1:That's what I was gonna gonna speak on, like the only it's like is it a trainer problem or is it a mentality problem?
Speaker 2:but let me ask you something who really, besides for, obviously, tank davis right, who is calvin ford, like known for in this?
Speaker 1:nobody, just truck.
Speaker 2:Truck was supposed to be the next guy and and whose style that we just watched, and obviously you know who the answer is fought a lot in the same style as somebody we know named, named tank yeah, well, he, he fights a lot like tank, and then there's some parts where he fights a lot like arrow too yeah, okay, but like the, the slow pace that the um, what's it called? The uh um, the counter, the counter like the one.
Speaker 1:And then he likes to like paw with the jab like that and come with weird angles with that left.
Speaker 2:He's like he threw an uppercut right and you know how, like sometimes people whip an uppercut, like they wind it up. Tank does that shit all the time, but it's tank, it lands. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So he did that once and I'm like, dude, that looks a lot like tank and I started yelling he's tank's friend, he's not tank, he's tank's friend, he's not yeah and I was like dude and and I I'm not putting the full blame on calvin ford, you know this guy knows more about boxing than I ever will but it they're not all tank, not everybody's tank. And you could say the same thing about eddie reynolds. A lot of his fighters have the same style as this new version of canelo. Right, they're not all canelos, they're not all tanks. You got to switch it up and he fought to me, seeing it in person, style, wise, like tank, like, don't it?
Speaker 1:just it was funny also his other two losses. The same exact reasons he lost those fight were the same exact reasons he lost this fight, uh-huh. So didn't go enough, got outworked.
Speaker 2:Yeah, didn't hit a second gear and you know, and in his defense in this fight, like it wasn't, like like jahai isn't the biggest power puncher at this weight class, he's at 160, he, he wasn't really hurt. It didn't look like lorenzo ever was like in pain or hurt. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:There was one time I thought he did, I can't remember. It was in the second half of the fight. Jahai got him in the corner.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was going to say. In the corner, he hit him with a three-hook combo.
Speaker 1:Lorenzo was sinking down. I thought he was hurt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but okay, that's it then ever like. So I don't know, I I just sometimes and jahai did hit him with a like a right.
Speaker 1:His back was on the ropes and he hit I want to say it was a right straight, right-handed tucker and, like tucker's head, snapped back pretty like no, yeah, yeah there was like an uppercut too.
Speaker 2:But like with with uh jahai style, he's gonna get those looks. You know what I mean. Like he, he doesn't have a lot of pop at 160. That's the only real, other than the flaws everyone talks about, like the chin blah, blah, blah. The biggest thing is the pop at 160. But he, his, his work ethic helps him with that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Like yeah, like I told you, I'd want to see him fight javi martinez. Yeah, yeah, that'd be a fucking banger.
Speaker 2:It's a good fight and he dude, he takes no ducks. But, like I said, there's like this weird circle now and again him and Troy Isley. I think that would be a cool fight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think Troy is a little farther ahead of him though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're friends. I know they're friends. I think they've sparred before too. They probably have.
Speaker 1:They know each other from the amateur circuit, I just think, in their professional careers. In terms of development, I think Troy is a little bit ahead of him right now and the sky's the limit.
Speaker 2:Still, jahai is so young, bro, yeah, so young. It's crazy to me, bro, but whatever you know, again, I don't think it's over for Lorenzo. Maybe he needs it, and I know it's hard. They're both from Baltimore. Listen Tank was tweeting about Jahai like twank twank Tank's.
Speaker 1:Tank's. It's probably comfortable for him to train with Calvin.
Speaker 2:He's probably comfortable, yeah, but like you don't want comfortable in boxing, no, but that's what I'm saying, like do you want to be a star or do you want to be a boxing champion?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sorry he had like the only fans, like I guess they pay out a lot of money. Yeah, lot of money. Yeah, well, don't get me started. What what you want only fans? No, I, I have no, anyway, uh, but yeah, you know, it was cool to see. I mean props to jahai, that's my guy oh, bro, jahai's the bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's sick. It was a great fight. It was an awesome fight bro, he like he.
Speaker 2:He came out after like and mingled with the fans a little bit. You know, I ran over there and fanboyed and gave me a. I got his sweat all over me. Yeah, it was awesome. Um, no, I'm just being weird. Yeah, oh shit, we got a few followers. Three, three people are watching. Wow, hell yeah. Hell yeah, awesome, but yeah, it was cool. Yo, the people watching you do know Willie. They know Willie very well. Can you call Willie and make sure he's okay.
Speaker 1:He hasn't even texted you, or nothing.
Speaker 2:Nah, I don't see nothing. This isn't like him. Yo Jay Jay, if you're listening, give Willie a shout. I don't know where the hell he is is uh, yeah, but that that's really it for that. It was a great fight. And and boxing there's. There's two things boxing need more fights like this and more build-up for fights like this. That's what ufc does. Ufc has some boring ass fights lately, but the build-up gets you into it. It gets me gambling on ufc.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean and just what they've done for years, like not even the big fights. Just give these guys little introductions, because then people remember them later. You can put them on cards and people are like oh, here's fucking homeboy fighting another nobody In reality he's not, and the backstory a lot like.
Speaker 2:So if you watch the, not 30 for 30, but what is it Dark Side of the Ring? You ever watch dark side of the ring about like wrestling? No, I forget what it's on, but it's like mini documentaries on wrestlers like wwf, wwe, wcw, dude. The dark side of the ring tells their like backstory and like what these people came from and like I think boxing needs more of that too. Like yeah, there's so many great stories in boxing. Oh, my god, dude, I want to see like and that's what they need. But, all right, keeping it pushing. Uh, we're gonna wrap this up soon. I don't got much more to say. I just want to touch on all those topics uh, you didn't watch the veto fight.
Speaker 1:I watched the veto fight kind of the same things we said about bradley. He just doesn't hit that second gear. He doesn't have power at 160.
Speaker 2:And he did fight a tough Polish guy. I was there until the fourth round and then I was like we tried to beat traffic and didn't. Oh, so you saw the knockdown? Yeah, I saw the knockdown and I thought I had to fucking parlay with him too. I had Damien Knieba, the Polish heavyweight KOTKO, and I had Vito ko tko at plus 100. I put a lot of money on it because I'm like, oh, these are kind of like locks, like they're clearly want. They want veto to get the knockout and he didn't.
Speaker 2:So he's good, but I just I think, he's not champion level, yet jamal jamal just said willie's eta is 15 minutes. You know the show's gonna be over 15. What the fuck? I hope willie's all right yo. Prayers up for willie. Prayers up for willie. Um, yeah, he's just, he he's. He's a sound boxer, he's technically, he doesn't have like a lot of flaws. I don't see right. No, and and some, but not a lot. Yeah, but like, and he's still, he's also very young. I just think that that espn really wants like a white italian dude, like that's their guy, I guess. I don't know, I don't know what, because he has support.
Speaker 1:He has backing right he. He was on pbc and on pbc he was getting. He was knocking out like alexis salazar and shit yeah, that's, that's a.
Speaker 2:Any latino you knock out is good, that's good, but that's a real name.
Speaker 1:And then he had the. He had that last fight where a lot of people thought he should have lost. He got the draw moves up a weight class I was there for that fight.
Speaker 2:I didn't even know he moved up, this was moved up.
Speaker 1:I didn't even know yeah, because when he got there, he was at 54, wasn't he? Because they were talking about him fighting Zayas and everything. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Yeah, this fight was at 160.
Speaker 2:The thing with me is like all right, he's winning fights, though, okay, the last one was close. He won, clearly won this fight right, yeah, easily. They did everything in the I'm telling you, dude, we just talked about the size of the ring they did everything in their power to give him a knockout. They did everything in their power they could to give this guy. They wanted a veto knockout.
Speaker 1:Yeah, late in the fight he was just landing throwing one, maybe two punch combos. They're like where's the combos, where's his quick flurries like Oscar would throw? He's got the hand speed for it, I don't know. Also, because the knockdown he scored was nice. This is like a legit ring iq move, because the guy transitioned to south ball, yeah, and he did it too. And as soon as he did veto through that double straight right, not dropped him, he.
Speaker 2:So he's smart. It's just I don't know that you can't. You can't push a rope. You know what I mean. Like they're right, for he was supposed to sell out Newark. They put this fight at the Prudential Center for Vito the New Jersey kid to bring all these people in there, and there was a lot of empty seats there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can see it on the broadcast and that's not good either. They never want that. And I'm not taking anything away from Vito. He is who he is and he's a well-spoken, nice guy. Just ESPN, I think, is kind of or not ESPN Top Rank is taking the wrong route with him. That's all I don't think he's like. Is he next level? Is he ready for that next tier?
Speaker 1:No, he's not ready for what. They're trying to promote him as yeah, exactly Because they're showing him with all his belts and stuff, even though literally every single one of them is a secondary title.
Speaker 2:I hate that belt. Shit, bro. There was a guy. There was a guy and nothing against him. There was a guy walking around and he had a lot of hometown fans there, so I'm guessing he's from Jersey and I think he knocked the dude out in the second or third fight. I don't know who he was, but he was walking around with this blue belt and I looked at my friend that I knew from New York that was there and I look at him. I go what is that belt? I've never seen a blue belt. He's like I don't know what that is and like people were kissing the belt and I'm like what fucking belt is this?
Speaker 1:There's a guy I know who's got a belt like that. It's like a North America title. Okay, literally the guy he beat, he got it off of was like five and three, yeah, and every interview you see him on.
Speaker 2:He's got it like over his shoulder, yeah, and like I'm not even, I'm not even hating on the guys, though like, like listen, if I got a belt, I'd wear that shit like a belt strap, you know, I mean I'd take a shower with that fucking big butt.
Speaker 1:But dude, he won it in like a fucking town hall. Yeah, yeah, it had like the metal folded chairs. It's like the crowd he wore it to like Canelo Munguia weigh-ins and shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's crazy. I would do that. But you'd expect that from us Like what the fuck?
Speaker 1:It was weird. He got knocked out in the second round by one guy, so that guy got a fight on top rank and got knocked out in the first round by Alan Garcia.
Speaker 2:And see, this is what they needed. Boxing needs to let the regular people know that there's. There's different levels. We're not like the UFC like you make the UFC. You made it. You know, like boxing has different levels and, like I always say, people are probably sick of it Tears, but yeah, that that's really all I had from that card.
Speaker 2:One specific fight I was talking about was Vito's people, and it was right. When Vito got the knockout, the cops were trying to kick this Italian dude out. They had to be mobbed up, bro. They had to be mobbed up and they're trying to kick this flashy Italian dude out. And then Vito knocks the dude down and the Italian guy looks See, I fucking missed it because of you, and he just won't stop arguing and props to those cops. They showed a lot of restraint, because I just know NYPD wouldn't take that and I've been kicked out of events. They don't play around like that. Yeah, they're like what was that Dude and this guy? We're waiting Like people had their phones out. Nobody's watching the fight. They're watching this flashy, mobbed up italian dude. They got him out of there.
Speaker 2:It was, it was, and yo salute to jahai tucker's family too. Man baltimore had a lot of people there. There was a fight brewing with jahai's brother, uh and and, and all these people from long island and yo, these shirts, right, these shirts were amazing, it made sense. Game seven shout out to thanks for playing. The only thing you've never been to a fight with me is I talk a lot of shit on the side of the ring for my guys. Right, there's a big C, a certified symbol, on the back. That's what Jihai Tucker wanted, bro, it was like a fucking target. It was like, oh, look at that guy. There goes that guy. Baltimore was just looking at me and my wife even said she's like yo, nick, like sit lower, like you got this big target on your back. Yeah, dude.
Speaker 1:That was that's crazy. Were they saying shit to you?
Speaker 2:Not so much to me, but like, like Baltimore's people were saying shit to Jahai's brother. There was one, one guy said something to me and I was just like, ah, shut up, I like the guy, but they, they. But there was almost a big fight. They kicked out the Baltimore fans. Actually, really, yeah, I think Jahai's brother was like yo, that's my brother. And they kicked him out.
Speaker 2:And one more thing I wanted to say. I'm not going to say his name, but the guy sitting next to me that I know from the New York fights he's originally from Brooklyn. Right, yo, he is a real dude. Because they let Jahaiai tucker's brother and like four or five other dudes like go backstage and they had this one guy sitting there, like the one friend of theirs was, who didn't have a wristband or whatever, was just sitting in the same spot with the baltimore fans yelling at him and then he like ran upstairs after they kicked half the baltimore fans out.
Speaker 2:You know this dude, this grown man from new york. He just knew this dude was from new york. He's like nah, nah, nah, I'm not letting him get jumped. And he fucking ran up there and I went to go with him. But my wife was with me and she's like you're not going anywhere so I had to stay. But I was like yo, that's a real dude right there, like he, he's, like he's, like I don't want to see no kid get jumped and I got like I appreciate that so much. That was awesome to see man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, being a real dude, I'm not going to lie. I was happy. My wife told me to stay because I probably would have got beat up, but it was cool. You could stand. It was cool. That's really it about Jahai. We'll try and keep it going here. I'm rambling on now. You want to talk quick about Christian and Billy versus Selecki, like a little preview.
Speaker 1:Christian Mbili versus Selecki, like a little preview. Yeah, I mean I don't think it's going to be close, but I think this is another one.
Speaker 2:This is another one. It's another one of those fights where top ranks just fill in spots, you know like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, they've been trying to push Mbili because he is really good. Yeah, it's just dude. No big name will fight him yet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know what? The only downside with him is yo, he has the body. No, did he.
Speaker 1:That guy has the fucking body yeah he's fucking a specimen, bro.
Speaker 2:I just saw something like MVP promotions is pushing Jake Paul, obviously, right, right, I guess we got to speak on that too, fuck, but he's pushing Jake Paul and they're like oh, jake Paul, does Jake Paul? Look? They posted this on Instagram, you can look it up Is Jake Paul the most jacked in boxing? And I'm like he's not even muscular. No, dude, he looks like me. And then I'm like I'm like dude, I'm a little fatter, I'm like yo. This guy, Christian and Billy, is like fucking all muscle.
Speaker 1:He looks like he's in yeah, he looks like he fought fucking.
Speaker 2:Gladiators, or like fucking in Stallone whatever Rocky he looks like Rocky's, like what the fuck.
Speaker 2:But, the only thing with him is, you know, his his last fight. People are get the only thing you can really get on him. Honestly, he didn't finish Devorinchenko, who is tough and went in there to survive, but he did have one arm. Devorinchenko only had one arm and I'm not saying it's a little easier to just try to survive. Chanko had one arm and tried to win. There was a few rounds he won and Mbili was losing with one arm. So that's all I'll say. Seleki is another tough guy that's going to go in there and try to survive. If Mbili can get him out, can get Seleki out of there. The fight to make is what's his face? Who's fighting our boy Pacheco? Yeah, I know different promotions, but that's the fight to make, I feel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because Berlanga won't fight either one of them, or Shiraz, whatever his name is.
Speaker 2:I don't want to hate on Berlanga or Shiraz, because that is a tough fight for both of them on paper. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:But there was a rumor today that came out. I thought was odd, it doesn't make sense, but it was posted by like a legit boxing page, so I'm a little curious. Yeah, is that apparently in november turkey wants to make a card that has like zapata on it, even though he's fighting shakur in july versus andy cruz, and then it's got in billy on there. If you were to win this weekend versus lester Martinez, who's dope? Another knockout. But I was like I don't know.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of moving parts there and a lot of stuff Zepeda legit is an underdog in a fight coming up.
Speaker 2:And this is the biggest fight of his life, right? What do you think? Speaking of Zepeda, not to get too off topic, and this is what happens. So, for those that are going to listen, punchlines and I were always up late talking boxing Cause we're the only idiots awake and like, here we are again. I feel like it's not late, but we're just yapping. What do you think of Tevin farmer verse? What the hell? Kid Austin yeah, I don't know, I feel like I'm, as a betting man dude and Tevin Farmer's last two performances. I thought that the Zepeda 2, right, tevin Farmer versus Zepeda 2. I thought for sure Tevin Farmer wasn't going to be able to get up for that fight again. He's getting older. I didn't think he was going to train enough what I'm saying and he and he did his thing. I know, I know you think zapata is a little overrated, but tevin farmer is tevin and and he showed up for that fight.
Speaker 2:He's not coming in there to lose he showed up for the morataya fight too and and yeah, he always shows up, he's not and and he knows right now, if he beats kid austin, he's right back in the mix oh 100 and yeah, he wants big fights.
Speaker 1:I'm glad he's getting these bigger fights awesome dude especially at this point in his career.
Speaker 2:I'm putting money on on him. I'm not saying it's a lock, I'm not.
Speaker 1:I'm not counting him out, dude yeah, and I've also never seen kid austin with anybody of his status reputable? No, like he was supposed to get the sill fight then that got canceled. Then he pulled out of the shakur fight this is his best opponent, 100%.
Speaker 2:If he fought Shakur and lost, I'd be backing Kid Austin a lot. I'd be like, oh, he got a lot of experience in that, but no, he didn't. To me he is a live, live, live dog. I don't know what the odds are, but I'm putting money on him.
Speaker 1:What card is that on?
Speaker 2:um, I, I don't. I think it's definitely a disowned card, but yeah, it's gotta be. Um, oh no, I think is it. Is it on the mccombie undercard?
Speaker 1:that'd be a crazy fight to put on that card.
Speaker 2:I think it might. It might it's soon. I think it's a bam card.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's soon damn, that's a good ass card. Iass card, I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 2:I'm not 100% sure though, but whatever it is, I'm tuning in for that when I look it up Again. I don't know what the odds are. I've been getting a lot of like I don't want to say props, I guess, about my picks, but just know, I lose more than I win. I only post the wins and I only post the wins, but I have been getting a lot of props without my picks. That's good to know.
Speaker 1:There is a good fight this weekend on that Jake Paul card, though I really want to watch that co-main event.
Speaker 2:Who is that again? Just say it, and it'll come back.
Speaker 1:Zerto Ramirez versus Dorticos the Cuban guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think those are for me, isn't it like Dirticos, is that how you say it? Am I?
Speaker 1:saying it right, yeah, something like that Dirticos, Dirticos. I don't fucking know, they call me Chain. So you know what? When they get it right, I'll get it right.
Speaker 2:Oh, I got you, bro, I got you. I know you don't like Zerto, but I like.
Speaker 1:Zerto man, I don't hate him.
Speaker 2:I like watching him fight. He's a fun guy to watch fight ever since.
Speaker 1:I think he's the shit ever since he like missed weight and admitted he did cocaine whatever, like he's been for me he's been like on a tear in a sense. Yeah, his fight, I mean he beat joe smith jr at cruiser, but that you know, I didn't think one fight.
Speaker 2:I thought joe's and I'm a little biased.
Speaker 1:Joe smith is from a few towns over I thought I love joe smith jr dude, I thought he was gonna knock him out you thought he was gonna knock zerto out yeah, I thought he was gonna knock him out oh see, I thought zerto was gonna knock him out because he hadn't he got knocked out by better bf, he hadn't fought in a while. He was going up a weight class. He looked okay, yeah, but then zerto just be. Oh, he pre. He beat chris bill and smith. That's chris bill. Smith is legit good legit.
Speaker 2:Good. And that last guy he fought it was like a German dude, I think. Who was, I don't know him. That was dude. That guy was. Hold on, Let me look it up quick because I forget his fucking name. But I became a fan after that fight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the Billum Smith fight was impressive because Chris Billum Smith is. He beat Richard Reakpour, he beat Lawrence Okoli. He's a good cruiserweight. So the fact that zerto beat him and he, I think he'll beat dorticos, but dorticos can win that fight. He's good bro, yeah, and he's got power.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was gonna say he has pop. Was it this guy, arson arson gulmarian? No, it wasn't him.
Speaker 1:Fuck is that guy just go to zerto's box, right, what are you?
Speaker 2:doing? I'm looking, I'll find it. Maybe I'm thinking I'm thinking of someone else. Shut up, fuck out of here. Say one thing about the italians and you're gonna fuck out of here I ain't even italian either, yeah, but you like the soprano, who doesn't?
Speaker 1:I love that meme like, oh, really like the ending for your sopranos just blacked out. That's weird. Tony soprano came to me personally and said I understood the show more than anybody pro, I'm retarded, it is. It is chris billiam smith yeah, but before that was that arson gulam miriam yeah, yeah is he good I don't know, but I know chris billiam smith is good as shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah and like I gained in that Zerto fight, I gained a lot of respect for Chris Billiam Smith. That's my bet. It was Chris Billiam Smith, dude, and he could hit. Billiam Smith could crack.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's tough, he beat. Like I said, he beat React 4. He beat Lawrence O'Coley. He's good.
Speaker 2:And he did not. Didn't fucking. I thought that fight was gonna get stopped. He looked tired, he didn't give up, dude, and zerto did his fucking thing. I like zerto man, I this clean cut zerto, I like the fat zerto and yeah I like.
Speaker 1:I can see him losing a lot of early rounds to the cuban dude though, because the cuban dude he's got good timing, he can box, he's got good, good pop. But I think zerto's pressure and size are gonna work, because, because gassiev wore that dude down back in the day yeah, but gassiev could fucking crack soaking zerto, though, dude, it's like a different, not the same, but he's, he just has pressure, he's gonna. He also throws more punches than than gassiev does too. He throws more combos I saw gassiev.
Speaker 2:I follow him on like my personal account, right? Yeah, I saw him training dude and, like yo, he looks like like if I didn't shave my head like that's how my hair would look really but like it's weird to see because he's got way more power and like drive than I do. So I I see him training, like I like I look, took a quick glance and I'm like, bro, that looks like a video of me boxing just way better, like what the fuck like damn.
Speaker 1:When did I get good as?
Speaker 2:yeah, like, why is this guy so power? What am I powerful? This ai, uh, what happened to him? Dude, we talked about him recently, I think you and I.
Speaker 1:He moved up to heavyweight. He had a fight against otto waleen actually, oh, before waleen joshua and he lost, and apparently he was boring as fuck. Other than that, I don't know anything.
Speaker 2:A guy like him is just promoted wrong too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's probably just big in Russia. A lot of those Russian guys are like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true. It's a fucking different market over there. But yeah, I actually forgot about that Gilberto fight. I'm excited for that. I guess, though, we have to speak on it. What's your take on the jake paul fight? Are you betting? But if you were betting, are you betting jake paul, are you?
Speaker 1:yeah, I don't trust fucking chavez bro.
Speaker 2:He lost to anderson silva dude recently and not even that, like any, anybody that would take a dive is him like, like in boxing?
Speaker 1:a hundred percent in boxing.
Speaker 2:If you had to ask one person, I hope no one watches this Cause.
Speaker 1:I work for Adams and he's like one of our sponsored fighters, but I want him to win. I would love for him to win, but I just don't trust him.
Speaker 2:I mean, I, jake Paul, is looking a lot better too from a pure boxing standpoint, and like he has yeah, people hate on the guy but, he definitely, he clearly devotes a lot of time to it and and I gotta give one thing to him and his brother like at first years ago, when they first came on the scene, I was like dude, fuck these dudes. Like, oh, they basically did everything we want to do. They went viral and got fucking yeah oh my god, fuck these guys they're not even gas fights, yeah, like they're not even funny, like what the fuck?
Speaker 2:fuck these guys. But but then then you know they both in their craft like uh, his brother with the wwe and him with boxing they're taking the right steps and they're making it, so I can't hate on them yeah, bro, I wish I was famous and could fight like sugar ray leonard or something and, and I will say, for boxing, the best thing he ever did was get amanda serrano so like that's awesome and get that katie taylor fight made so like nobody could do that bro.
Speaker 2:Three times he did it and and you know what? The only thing I won't like, and and I'm not being sexist when I say this is that fight Katie Taylor, amanda Serrano is an MSG and it's an all-girl card.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't watch the whole thing. I'll watch them fight because I love Amanda, of course.
Speaker 2:And I still might go last minute. I try to go to every New York fight I could, but I'm not going to go sit there through that. Maybe I'll show up late.
Speaker 1:I'll watch Alicia's fight too.
Speaker 2:I forgot she's fighting and yeah, he signed her. He did make eyes go to fucking women's boxing. Can't hate on him for that. Yeah, no, he didn't, and he's working. He does not look like the same kid, but I can't wait till he's a promoter, till he's strictly a promoter. I almost hope he loses and goes. Oh yeah, listen, that was fun. I did what I could.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna promote now because I think yeah, like real boxing, though not yeah, yeah yeah, hybrid fucking a hundred percent.
Speaker 2:But I I think he has enough like clout now in the game that he could promote real boxing dude youtubers versus old boxers would be hilarious.
Speaker 1:Imagine mr b stalking amir khan. The fuck out, yeah that would be good.
Speaker 2:I die laughing um. But you know, whatever I mean, I'm gonna watch it, I'm gonna I people hate on me, I order his fights, I watch them, whatever yeah, because he usually has like one or two good undercard fights.
Speaker 2:I don't, I don't pay for his shit I've streamed every single one of them who was on the tyson, the tyson undercard that ramos and barrios yeah, ramos, that was a great fight a great, it was an awesome fight and then followed by katie taylor serrano, like that was a good card even when he fought um ben askren back in the day yeah, he had pro gray versus red catches yeah, that's true, red red catch.
Speaker 1:Remember, did something stupid, right yeah, he faked getting hit in the ball yeah, yeah, like got escorted out or some shit, wasn't it yeah? He got carried out on like a stretcher because his balls were hurt so bad and it showed like the punch never hit his balls.
Speaker 2:And Red Catch was a name in boxing.
Speaker 1:He wasn't like a normal guy. Yeah, he was a tough dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was weird. But yeah, all right, I guess we'll close the show out now. It was a little longer Me and him get yapping about this happens.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we talk way too much.
Speaker 2:Way too much. Way too much. Sorry, my ass hurts, but um too, I wish willie was here, man, I know. I hope he's okay for real, yeah 15 minutes just passed.
Speaker 1:He's still not here, so I just got to call him out.
Speaker 2:Like they clearly lied um, I'm gonna call him after the show. We'll get an update on willie. Uh, yeah, let me know yo, but this is really not like him. That's why I want I want that to be known like I've had other co-hosts no call, no show before, and like they've done it twice, maybe three times. Willie is like that. He's known not he'll come late.
Speaker 1:They'll never know, no yeah, I hope he's all right, all right um, all right, though we'll just.
Speaker 2:We'll just close it out with, uh, something that happened on sunday and once in saudi, we had the canelo versus crawford press conference. Um, we have to talk about it because it's drama in the boxing world. It kind of took over the internet. I, I don't really I, it looks all forced to me. A lot of stuff looks forced yeah I. I don't know why and I'm not being like, maybe it's just a different culture or something, but everything Turkey touches looks forced to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because, dude, he's a fucking royal member in a country. He's like what's he going to do? Be like yeah, we're going to do this. First of all, nobody can be like sure, they're not going to buy that, they're not going to believe this, because they'll die. And even if they do tell him that he'll be like, what do you mean?
Speaker 2:they won't believe it, like if, just if they don't believe it and kill them and in his defense, in a sense, he's a real boxing fan, so like he's just having fun with these like toys he's just a nerd dude, that's all he is like these boxers. It would just the prep. The fights are good, but the prep it looks like he has like toy wrestlers remember those little toy wrestlers when you're everyone had? Yeah, like he has them and he's just fucking with him like in the locker from jimmy neutron with his voltron toy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, that's what this felt like, and and. You see the difference between and and. I'll close out with this. But, like the saudi presser, right, there was no crowd noise, nothing. Then they go to new york city and there's some beef there's crowd noise.
Speaker 2:The fighters get a little more amped because the real boxing fans are there, the drunk hooligans are there, and unfortunately that's going to be the last time you hear crowd noise, because then they're going to go back to Saudi and have this fight right, or maybe they're doing a presser in Vegas too.
Speaker 1:I thought the fight was in Vegas.
Speaker 2:Is it in Vegas? Am I retarded?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I presser in vegas too? I thought the fight was in vegas. Is it in vegas? Am I retarded?
Speaker 2:yeah, I thought I got confirmed for allegiance stadium. You're absolutely right. I'm retarded and I'm happy you said that, so you're you're right I was so confused.
Speaker 1:I was like, where's he going with?
Speaker 2:this. That's totally my fault. You're 100, right, it is. It is in vegas, so now they're back we will have crowd noise. So that whole take. Let's just uh forget, I said anything you're right, they're gonna.
Speaker 1:Oh man, I hope they fill that bitch up no, they, they will, canelo will fill up.
Speaker 2:I, I in, I guess in saudi it looked really forced and then, like the push with canelo looked forced, but you know you're right, it is.
Speaker 1:And then there's going to be shots of the airport with all the celebrity private jets flying in just to watch it but this is props to him, then Props to Turk he's learning you can't have these fights in Saudi.
Speaker 2:You can't have them all the time, especially those huge cards like that, and you know what Good for him. Then he's learning, because the Berlanger card is in New York and there is fans. I'm actually working on getting my tickets now, so that's good to know. So he is learning, all right. All right, I forget about everything. I just said. I'm fucking, uh, I'm retweeted, so you can't say that word you see canelo fucking going after him, basically calling out.
Speaker 1:I'm out saying like, yeah, he wants crawford to win, crawford's his boy yeah, yeah, that that's good though we want.
Speaker 2:I want mean canelo yeah, he's a dick but did you see, like the dinner too? It was weird, dude, it was really weird.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was fucking odd.
Speaker 2:And you know what. Shame on Terrence Crawford, bro. He's at this royal guy's house and he wore a t-shirt.
Speaker 1:It could have been. I bet you. You know what, though? I bet you there's going to be some stupid ass food fight video and they shot it there.
Speaker 2:That's going to be the trailer for the fucking yo. If that is, we got to cut this clip and and post it because you've been right lately. You've been very right lately with my crazy ass conspiracy.
Speaker 2:Yeah like the semantics of of background of boxing. You've been on point. So, um, see through the bullshit, turkey, damn dude, you're right, that is in vegas. I was talking to people. They're like yo, you're going to vegas, I'm an idiot, uh, but see, that's what turk does. Like. I thought for sure, this fight was gonna be in saudi no, I'm glad it's not yeah, a hundred percent.
Speaker 1:He's doing the right thing I'm glad it's at like a real stadium too and like, yeah, we're doing this fight at the hoover dam like what?
Speaker 2:yeah, and and dude, it will sell. It will fucking sell. It's canelo crawford. I don't care what anyone says, crawford is a big dude. Uh, also too, I heard and I don't even know if I'm supposed to say this or whatever, but I heard from a friend I'm not going to name names and I may have told you this crawford has the most natural testosterone of anybody, like ever. Yeah, like he tests super high. Maybe it's out there. I could say he tests super high in testosterone yeah, he's a real dude too.
Speaker 1:He's just a fucking like posting the pictures of him and canelo staring off, and he shows a little boosie as a song oh man and crawford might win, bro, and he's super's, super competitive, super competitive, 100%.
Speaker 2:The only thing I will say so is Canelo, and you know Canelo's not going in there to lose to Crawford. No, I hate that he's holding these belts hostage, though. Drop the belts if you're going to do stuff like this.
Speaker 1:But who else also is there for him to fight Realistically at 168. And this isn't me being a Canelo fanboy, but Benavidez isn't at 168 anymore.
Speaker 2:But do you think if it was contracted, you think Benavidez wouldn't go to 168 to fight Canelo? Anybody would go through anything for that money. He's the money. No, I'm not saying he wouldn't, but would we be excited about that fight with him making Benavidez suck back down to 168?
Speaker 1:I think, with everything that built up, do you think people would be more excited about that than this Crawford fight? Because I don't.
Speaker 2:I honestly do not, I think. Benavidez versus Canelo, though, is because I do see there's a chance for Crawford to win. I just Canelo is not going in there to lose, and I'm a big. What have you done for me lately, guy? Yeah, and I don't want to go too far into it, but Crawford didn't look that great in his last fight. No, he didn't against Wondermaw, and he's bumping up again, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, two weight classes from that.
Speaker 2:And Canelo say what you want. Yeah, his opponents have been, but he's been there, he's been there, and that fight was almost a year ago. You know what I mean, though. Like so Crawford's going to get hit with some shit that he's never got hit with. That's all I'm saying. I'm backing him, I'm rooting for him. I want the American to win 110%. I'm just saying.
Speaker 1:By the time he fights Canelo. He would have two fights in the last two years.
Speaker 2:It'd be Spence and mademoiselle. Nobody else. Yeah, and and spence. There's still question marks about that, like what the fuck was wrong with him? That didn't look anything like him and I'm not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's not taken away from bud either, because what bud did was special, but arrow, it didn't look like the same arrow, but you, you take that bud, fight away from him right from crawford.
Speaker 2:Canelo kind of has a point like what have you done? Yeah, and did you?
Speaker 1:see bud's arguments to that. He's like are you gonna tell me postal wasn't elite? You're gonna tell me ricky burns wasn't? Yeah, we are and then.
Speaker 2:And then canelo did have like good responses. He's like, yeah, he got knocked out in my gym like what the fuck are you talking about? And it was so I don't know. And I'm not taking anything away from crawford, I'm rooting for crawford, I. I know, but it's also, it's being objective yeah, I, I need to know what I know in boxing and, yes, canelo has let me down on this farewell tour, right I? I?
Speaker 1:don't yeah, because it's not like Canelo's been looking remarkable.
Speaker 2:No, no, and, and he's changed there's. He's slowed down. He's slowed down. It's one punch at a time. Most of the time, yeah and yes, but that being said, he's he's not going to go out with a loss to to Crawford you know what I mean. Like he's not.
Speaker 2:He's giving it everything he's not willingly, I get, is what you're saying yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and and and I will say this Crawford wins a lot of his fights with his pop and power. That's not going to affect Canelo here, but he can box. He can box, but so can Canelo. And the only way to really really like Like dude, triple G didn't get Canelo out of there and he got hit clean. Bivel, dimitri Bivel was lighting Canelo up and didn't get him out of there. And Bivel say what you want, he's not a power puncher, but at 175 canelo moved up.
Speaker 1:he, you know what I'm saying like yeah I don't still beevil's not like thunder's power, but he had enough power to bother better and and canelo was returning.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying canelo's chin is arguably the best in boxing, and maybe it's not even arguably it's the best chin in boxing. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1:I mean all time I would say triple G, triple G. Oh yeah, no, no, some crazy shit bro.
Speaker 2:Triple G got hit clean by Canelo and didn't go down, didn't even.
Speaker 1:He kept walking forward bro.
Speaker 2:It was insane. But I'm not saying all time, but right now, that you can't and you're never going to lose your chin. You have to get knocked down to lose it. I guess I don't know, or cut a lot of weight and that's another thing too or cut Cut in general. When has Canelo ever bled?
Speaker 1:He does swell though.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He's starting to get swollen more.
Speaker 2:His head is so fucking big. Yeah, I don't know. I don't want to preview that yet, but the presser just looked weird to me. Thank you for correcting me. You are right, it is in Vegas. I'm an idiot, but there's so much shit going on in Saudi and it was so silent. Yeah, my PTSD kicked in and I'm like oh shit.
Speaker 1:And the fact that they're like it could be in saudi, it's like dude why and is is the fight gonna be in daytime?
Speaker 2:remember earlier when we started this, I was like, oh, remember that is it gonna be during the day oh man, I don't.
Speaker 1:I haven't seen nothing about that. It better not be, not in vegas.
Speaker 2:You can't do a fight on at daytime in vegas there's some weird like uh beef with oscar de la joya and and fucking uh turk about like it being played during the day and I I don't know if I misinterpreted it, but Oscar, why does? Oscar, give a shit I don't know Oscar, just you know Oscar. I know All right now we're getting a little all over the place, but he does give a shit for some reason. But he doesn't have a fighter on that card does he?
Speaker 1:I don't think so, not that I know of. I know him and Dana don't like each other at all.
Speaker 2:I might have to do something with that. Did you see Dana too? Though that's another thing. The Dana shit looks forced. And nothing against Dana White. Great dude Promotes UFC.
Speaker 1:Great yeah, they're trying to make the most out of the opportunity of the optics on the fight with dana there and canelo and crawford and all that. And they brought back max kellerman. Like he's some savant, like and and no offense to max kellerman, he was all right. Oh man, I need to make a meme of fucking chris maddox being mad that max kellerman's back there.
Speaker 2:He is the legend punchline oh, should I do?
Speaker 1:you're taking everything I work for mother motherfucker.
Speaker 2:Look look at him.
Speaker 1:work Dude, this is honestly how I make my meme yeah.
Speaker 2:This guy's the boxing meme, fucking general. Yeah, that's really it. I'm rambling on here now. Sorry for the technical difficulties. Again, we are new to going live. It's only our third episode. Live, willie. If you're fucking around, I hope you're all right. Man, I got to find Willie. I don't know what the fuck happened. Punchlines, as always, thank you. We'll be back, I guess next week, right, is there anything?
Speaker 1:Yeah, we got to yeah, unless I can start getting you some fighter interviews. I got some people who are down. If you can get a translator, I can get you on Rohan Polanco.
Speaker 2:Ooh, yeah, I could get a fucking translator, and then O'Shea.
Speaker 1:Jones, I can get you her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll fucking chat it up, bro, this podcast, so even the other thing you did with the other internet influencers in the boxing world and stuff, right'll, I'll chat up with anybody, I don't care. We you see how I ramble we just talk boxing, oh yeah, but, um, yeah, yeah, I definitely do want to get some interviews. I do want to get, though, uh, who we've had on before. I'm gonna, I'm gonna actually text him when we get out of here. I want to get shushu back on before his fight. Um, because I had a good interview with him and this is how, how cool Punchlines is if you made it this far. He said like yo, when you do interviews, I don't want to be involved because it gets weird with three. What a humble guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it gets difficult, it makes it harder for the viewer too.
Speaker 2:He does call me derogatory terms a lot in private, but he's a very humble guy Shut up. I almost said the F word. All right, we're out of here. All right, brother, peace out, man. Thanks, as always. We'll see you guys, next week Peace.
Speaker 1:Later Fucking Willie, bro, I hope he didn't text you, or nothing.
Speaker 2:Hold on, I didn't end yet. Yeah, he didn't text me, man.
Speaker 1:Bro, that's shady, that sucks. How the fuck do I?
Speaker 2:end this? I don't know.