The Queen,Timbs, Blunts, and Boxing Glory: Heather Hardy & Ronica Jeffrey stop by The Spar-Inn

 World champions Heather "The Heat" Hardy and Ronica "Queen" Jeffrey join us to discuss their transition from fighters to becoming the two female head trainers at Gleason's Gym in Brooklyn. They bring their signature unfiltered (super unfiltered/PG-13 at least) perspectives on boxing, training, and navigating life after competition while building their new Queen and Heat Podcast.

• How they're adjusting to life as trainers after successful boxing careers
• The decline in female amateur boxing despite women's professional boxing seeing unprecedented popularity
• The unique challenges of dating as successful female athletes in a male-dominated sport
• Their perspective on not competing in today's more lucrative era for women's boxing
• The physical toll of boxing and Heather's advocacy for fighter health and benefits
• Their support for current champion Claressa Shields and thoughts on the Serrano-Taylor trilogy
• The organic development of their podcast and vision for creating authentic boxing content
• Pride in helping build the foundation for today's generation of female boxers

Check out the Queen and Heat Podcast to hear more from these boxing legends as they continue to shape the future of women's combat sports.

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Transcript

Meet Queen and Heat Podcast Hosts

Speaker 1 0:01

It's time for the main event . It's the Sparring Podcast .

Speaker 2 0:10

Oh , it's a knockout . Yo welcome to the Sparring Boxing Podcast . William Puma , back we did a two-a-day today and we are with two famous individuals , more famous in Brooklyn Queen and Heat , better podcasters than us , and they just begun . What is going on ?

Speaker 1 0:28

We've already just begun .

Speaker 2 0:32

If you guys don't know , these are world champions , because you're never not a champion once you receive that and in the podcast game they are on their way .

Speaker 3 0:42

To be world champions . They on their way to be world champions .

Speaker 2 0:45

To that too , Take it over champions extremely outspoken , funny , no holes barred . Uh , whatever goes goes . But before we even start and get into it , I have to ask you heather , is the bathroom thing like ? Is that real ?

Speaker 1 1:01

my nervous system is very dysregulated right now . What can I say ? And I smoke a lot of weed . I'm no doctor , listen , let me tell you something , let's put it out there my asshole stops when I go to work . It's not happening all fucking day , it's just in the morning you don't want an accident in the ring I don't need it , not even a thought . It shuts off with the Wi-Fi .

Speaker 2 1:31

So , if you couldn't tell , they're very outspoken , both of them , one maybe more than the other their show is great .

Speaker 4 1:38

Thank you for noticing .

Speaker 1 1:39

Which one .

Speaker 4 1:40

Which one ? What the ?

Speaker 2 1:42

hell , their show is great . It's called queen and heat podcast , correct ? Yeah and um it's it's boxing related , but clearly they go off off the rails , kind of like our show . That's kind of why I reached out to you guys , because I was like damn , these personalities are it's like the female version of me and this guy over here , but um , nobody wants to hear about my bathroom experiences , so I barely want to hear her .

Speaker 4 2:07

I'm like what are you talking about ? That sounds unreal .

Speaker 2 2:10

Not only are they funny great boxers . Now you guys are . Are you guys trainers over there at Gleason ? Yeah , so , like head trainers . How does that work ?

Speaker 1 2:18

We're the two female head trainers at Gleason .

Speaker 3 2:21

Okay , wow , and you guys Congratulations on that too .

Speaker 1 2:25

You guys train pros or is it just ? No , it's , everybody Pros amateurs , people who just want to have fun .

Speaker 3 2:36

Kids , old people , Gleason's I hate the columns in there that should get on my nerves . What ? Columns , you mean how the gym is built Like during the fights

Female Head Trainers at Gleason's Gym

Speaker 3 2:46

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Speaker 1 2:48

Oh because , you can't see around the columns . Yeah , It'd be like three .

Speaker 4 2:53

Bring your ass on time and you won't have to be behind the columns , Blame the architecture .

Speaker 2 3:02

What's the amateur scene looking like for the women ? Is it thriving right now ?

Speaker 4 3:07

No , To be honest , usually Gleason Gym have a lot of females and a lot of women fighting and stuff like that , but I would say maybe in the past two to three years there have not been . The female circle is not cooperative . It's not like when we were coming up .

Speaker 2 3:34

That's crazy to hear to me , because I wanted to ask you guys too , with the way women's boxing is right now and how it's really honestly correct me if I'm wrong it's the best it's ever been . Publicity wise , correct like is you would think more would it would be more attractive to to young female boxers yeah , um , I'm not saying that that's not the case .

Speaker 4 3:57

I'm just saying that where we are in , good , we had a great team of boys .

Speaker 1 4:00

Yeah , yeah I had a great team of boys .

Speaker 2 4:02

Yeah , yeah , I know .

Speaker 1 4:02

We had a great team of boys and it turns out Left .

Speaker 2 4:05

Hook is in there , yeah , left hook , yeah , left .

Speaker 3 4:07

hook's there , yeah , left hook's there , that's my guy . I like that guy man .

Speaker 1 4:11

You know the brothers that we said yes , yeah , yeah , yeah , I know what you're talking about .

Speaker 3 4:27

And Rocky be in there with them .

Speaker 4 4:28

Um , oh no , rocky's not from this side over here .

Speaker 3 4:29

Okay , okay , yeah , you know I'm talking about though right , yeah , I know who you're talking about they went blank , like huh yeah she's like yeah , rocky was a great movie .

Speaker 2 4:38

I'm out of here training she'd be on instagram too .

Speaker 3 4:40

I'll be seeing her left hook a bunch of them .

Speaker 2 4:43

But speaking on that and the women's boxing now thriving , you guys on the come up as , or you girls , I should say I'm sorry . I'm sorry , heather . I see you staring at me , like give me a stank eye through the glasses . You girls on the come up , is there any envy ? Not envy I don't want to say jealousy , but like I do wish you guys were fighting in this era like is there any like ?

Speaker 4 5:10

I mean , on my part I'm happy , I'm happy for

State of Women's Boxing Today

Speaker 4 5:15

where women boxing is today . I mean , obviously I'll , I'll be lying if I'll be like , oh damn , I wish like this how it was around my era time . But i'm'm not built for jealousy and for bitterness and all that other stuff .

Speaker 4 5:27

It is what it is . It's what we were having . It happened how it happened . But just to see , when I came into this game , how it was and where it is now , how can I not be proud ? How can I not root for the girls ? How can I not support the girls ? That would not make no sense . My time was my time , so I'm not , I don't , I don't feel no way , I'm I'm really excited , to be honest .

Speaker 2 5:49

I'm really , really excited and like I didn't mean that in like a like a bad way , I just meant like part of you , I know . I'm just saying what's the hardest part of transitioning from being fighters , though , into trainers for both of you , was it difficult ? Was it a difficult transition ?

Speaker 1 6:18

For me it is because I'm not allowed to fight , no more . So it's not like I gave it up because I wanted to . I ended up because I had to and now I'm not not .

Speaker 2 6:30

I'm not a fight anymore because I I'm not allowed okay , and so and that's because of your , your eyes and everything that went on , medically correct , yeah , and that's also why you didn't jump in when that girl was getting , when that that uh girl was getting jumped goddamn right that's how I throw that in there at some point . That that's what I mean , though , like you , you too so . So I'm a little all over the place right now , because I'm a little starstruck , sorry , as monica knows , I get , I get very , uh , weird .

Speaker 2 7:04

I guess , but , um , you're cool . Uh is is like when , I guess , with that transition , though , from from being a fighter to a trainer , when , when you're telling a fighter to do something right especially like the young kids and they're just not doing it , part of you has to just be like I want to jump in there and do it for you , like , like what the fuck is going on , yeah , but .

Speaker 4 7:28

I always feel that way , even when I was fighting . If I had , you know , if I , if somebody , my teammate or somebody I know that's fighting , you know , just because you still have like all that in you , you just feel like , oh , I just want to be in there Cause you know , you're anxious , your anxiety . Sometimes for me , like when I'm going into the ring , I'm never , although I have my nerves like regular nerves , but I'm never as nervous as I am for , like heather , or melissa , and I'll tell you somebody else .

Speaker 1 7:54

So it's just , yeah , like so , when we disappointed them or let them down , it was like .

Dating Challenges for Successful Athletes

Speaker 1 8:01

It was like they were in there , not us .

Speaker 3 8:08

What was the pregame for y'all Before the fight ? What got you in that mood to fight ?

Speaker 2 8:15

I think , they're always in the mood .

Speaker 4 8:17

I'm just like the contract .

Speaker 3 8:21

The contract , the money , what did y'all ?

Speaker 4 8:25

listen to .

Speaker 1 8:26

What was the locker room like ?

Speaker 3 8:29

What did y'all listen to ? What was the locker room like , like , was there music , anything ?

Speaker 4 8:35

I'm not specific like that For me , like once , I just have the people that I trust or the people that I'm going to war with , like in my corner . Everybody's just vibing Like a lot of times , my family and stuff like that , my cousins and all that will come to my fight , so they will come in the back there , they'll be back there , and we're all just sitting down chilling , making jokes , you know , trying to make the day as regular as possible .

Speaker 2 8:55

Okay , like relaxing , you got to stay relaxed .

Speaker 4 8:58

Yeah , yeah , yeah , for sure , For sure .

Speaker 2 9:06

While while , like I don't know how to word this , but like coming up as woman in boxing right a male dominated sport as we know right and we come up in gyms and stuff , there's got to be a lot of like creeps there , right a lot of creeps , practically 98% like that is more than a lot , it's like creepville but we have the two most protected women in Brooklyn , New York , our older brothers Don Kat Martine .

Speaker 1 9:33

Ain't no creep coming in here it's gotta be hard .

Speaker 2 9:39

I'm just saying I know girls in male dominated professions constantly getting hit on , constantly getting always getting asked out for dinner or whatever , does it get annoying .

Speaker 1 9:51

No , because they don't ask you out . They just want to come over , ask me out for dinner . I'll go ask you out for dinner . Take me out first Take me out .

Speaker 3 10:01

Am I lying ?

Speaker 1 10:03

These motherfuckers at the gym . They don't take you out to dinner . No , that's not how they approach us they got no game .

Speaker 2 10:12

man . What the hell's going on over there ?

Speaker 3 10:14

I mean , if they see that y'all can punch them in the face .

Speaker 1 10:18

It's a Brooklyn , New York thing . They get to the point .

Speaker 3 10:22

Yo , it's crazy .

Speaker 1 10:23

I'm looking , I'm like y'all literally a day apart in january , that's a day in the year .

Speaker 2 10:31

That's crazy , that's like it was meant . That is crazy . Meant to be you too , but again going off like your podcast and stuff like that's where you really get to know you guys , and I think what boxing's missing right is is outspoken individuals like yourselves , all from all the pros Cause with like cancel culture and stuff , everyone's afraid to talk . And I'm not saying you got to like don't ever disrespect a certain group of people or whatever , but you guys are just open right off the right off the rip , Like the first podcast episode . I'm like what the heck is going on . You guys need like a reality show Like it's just a game of life .

Speaker 4 11:05

Did you enjoy it ? I'm so happy that you enjoyed it . No , no , no .

Speaker 2 11:08

The sky is the limit . Do you find it hard , though ? Is there difficulties with podcasting ? Because I know I'm like I have so many issues and we're on like episode 80 . I'm still like we have no producer or nothing . This is actually my basement .

Speaker 4 11:22

I think we're kind of like the opposite . I mean , it was just a blessing that you know I happened , especially in boxing . You have so many people and there's somebody that does everything you can find a lawyer you can find an editor , you can find an actor , actress you can find a gymnast , you can find everything in . You can find an actor , actress , you can find a gymnast , you can find everything in the gym . And we just have the blessing of first of all . I've always had this idea , from a while ago .

Speaker 2 11:46

I remember , when I met you , you told me that yeah , oh , I want to start a podcast .

Speaker 4 11:50

Yeah , exactly , and even before that . So she was the first person that I wanted to do it with and she was acting like she was too good for me podcasting .

Speaker 1 11:59

Wait , wait , wait .

Speaker 4 12:03

I had to drag her by her damn Barbie feet to do this shit .

Speaker 1 12:08

Barbie feet . Wow .

Speaker 4 12:10

She got the good Barbie feet . You know when that instep is instepping . Okay , that instepping no-transcript .

Speaker 3 12:34

No bunion , no bunion I don't know anymore .

Speaker 2 12:36

I'm a little older now , but back in the day , you know .

Speaker 4 12:38

Oh , that's what they said .

Speaker 2 12:44

Elaborate on that . Why'd you have to try it , Heather ? What's going on ? You don't seem shy at all .

Speaker 4 12:49

He does be acting funny style sometimes . But with that being said , coming along actually the beginning of this year she came to me . She was like I have this vision . I'm like what are you talking about ? Like are you okay ? Because you know my sister not well . So I was like what are you talking about ? You know she's just like no , I have this vision . I had a vision . I was like your pretty face on the camera . I was like I'm like , so you know I said that .

Speaker 4 13:20

And then she kept on saying it . So then now I'm seeing that she okay , maybe she really want to do this , and so somebody that I work with , which is now our producer , was just like , hey , if you guys want to do it , like I'll help you , and it was like that's probably all we really needed . All we needed for somebody to say , yes , I will help you , and it's like that's probably all we really needed . All we needed for somebody to say , yes , I will help you . And we just took it off from there and you know , the individual have all the things that you give you think about the camera , the this , the light , because that's what they do right . And so audio , yeah , and we do it right in heather's office in the gym .

Speaker 2 13:53

I know , I noticed that too . That's cool , though , because you hear the sounds of the gym behind you . Yeah , the setup's awesome , everything is like going great as yeah , and we still we're still weak , we're still trying to create .

Speaker 4 14:03

You know we we're trying to . You know , make make sure we have an ambiance and the you know how , the visuals and all the other stuff . You know , it's very weird that you have something in the middle while things are going on at the gym as he knows , like when we started , my ambiance is good .

Speaker 2 14:19

Like I said , this is my basement .

Speaker 3 14:21

But that's not his dream .

Speaker 2 14:23

Yeah , I got big dreams with this stupid little podcast . But the trial and error I don't have a producer .

Speaker 1 14:28

Big dreams start with not calling them stupid .

Speaker 3 14:33

Oh , I'll keep on telling them that .

Speaker 2 14:34

Yeah , but I'm doing it .

Speaker 1 14:36

Yeah , but it doesn't matter if you speak bad about it . Thank you , you're welcome . That's what I tell all my clients today we're only going to talk nice to ourselves .

Speaker 2 14:49

I love how I'm starstruck and I'm getting coached . This is amazing that'll be $75 .

Speaker 1 14:57

I didn't ask for feet pics .

Speaker 2 14:58

I didn't ask for feet pics . I didn't ask for feet pics .

Speaker 1 15:02

Those are more than 75 , baby .

Speaker 2 15:06

Nah , but for real , like the hardest part of like podcasting for us , like we can get on , I can get on a mic , I can yap all day . I could talk all day about whatever Was like the producing part . Like oh , you need clips , you need this . I went through like eight cameras . I'm like what the hell is going on ?

Speaker 4 15:20

yeah , but definitely , definitely , that has to be the hardest part and also , I mean , as I said , blessing that you know this individual is really taking a time out and doing this thing and helping us . You know , have a vision and all that other stuff . So , um , we're just blessed to be honest and , and you know , having fun . You guys are just like you guys just hoping that you know this , something comes out of this .

Speaker 3 15:44

Yeah , it's crazy , y'all get fans Like y'all already have fans .

Speaker 2 15:47

Yeah , like you're already established , like we don't have .

Speaker 3 15:50

we getting fans out of nowhere , we just regular people .

Speaker 2 16:04

Like know who's listening ? We are fans ourselves . That's always we fans ourselves . So we went to the . That's the start . We went to the ring three card right at um , what was it ? The tennis court in queens , the uh uh chakor's fight and stuff . And like I'm on the beer line . I drink probably more than I should , but I'm on the beer line or whatever . And like yo , this jacked dude comes up to me and like puts his hand on my shoulder . He's like yo , puma . I'm like oh fuck , I'm about to get knocked out . Here we go . I turn around , I'm like what's up , man ? And he's like your show is great , man . I listen and I'm like what the fuck ? I'm not , I'm not famous . So I'm like what the hell ? It's like I'll buy you a drink . What the fuck is going on ?

Speaker 4 16:33

but that's but , that's to let you know but that's to let you know that you just never know . You

Life After Boxing as Trainers

Speaker 4 16:37

know , like , what you think and probably what's actually happening is probably two different things .

Speaker 2 16:41

Yeah . And another like funny , creep back to the creep talk . But so Amanda Serrano , right , like I messaged her or whatever . Like somehow she answered , I don't know why , but I was like , oh , come on my show . You know she's very busy now . But I was like , oh , come on my show , or whatever . Blah , blah , blah . And she's like , oh , yeah , I come back from Puerto Rico . Blah , blah , blah . And she's like , yeah , I'll come in studio . I like that better . And I'm like I'm not going to invite Amanda Serrano into my basement , it's not going to happen . And I kind of felt the same way with a podcast .

Speaker 4 17:18

Having good instincts .

Speaker 2 17:21

Hey , Heather , I heard you had nice feet . You want to come in my basement ?

Speaker 1 17:26

It's a Venmo baby . You know the way to my home . This is crazy , I'm still starstruck .

Speaker 2 17:35

This is actually a dream for me . I'm like my first boxing crush was Heather . Now I am going to get creepy . No , I'm just kidding .

Speaker 3 17:41

He literally just said that too , I'm like .

Speaker 2 17:44

I didn't know that . You're way nicer than me . To Michaela Meyer too , she's very mean to me Really . No , she wasn't mean , I think Michaela and I tell every girl we interview this I think Michaela thinks I am creepy because every time I see her , I'm like at a fight and I'm drunk .

Speaker 4 18:07

I'm like , oh , michaela , what's up ?

Speaker 3 18:08

oh my god , I forget , like I'm a grown man , so well then , you can't blame her . No , no , that's what I'm , that's what he's , very passionate is it ?

Speaker 2 18:12

is it ? Is it hard , like like in in the boxing game itself ? Right , you two are both single , so I don't know why . Because you guys have great personalities , you're both single .

Speaker 3 18:22

Because we have high standards . Oh , well , that's .

Speaker 2 18:25

I mean , that's regular , yeah , but but I'm curious like is dating as a pro athlete Like we don't know ? Obviously we're not pro athletes , we're dad bods , so dad bods .

Speaker 4 18:42

So dating , dating as a pro athlete is is that hard , is it like ? Is it is it hard to find ? Like true , like dating as a woman is hard , period . Yeah , it doesn't matter . It's like I said a very successful woman .

Speaker 1 18:47

I have a friend who's um , who's famous line is when I meet a guy , I tell him I work at cvs , because the minute he hears pro athlete , famous hairstylist , fucking actress , all of a sudden his dick goes like this oh Jesus , what is it going to be ? It's more a sense of when you're such a successful woman . Right , me and Veronica are both beautiful women . We are successful , we have a lot to show for our lives and we have a lot of male friendship .

Speaker 3 19:24

Yeah .

Speaker 1 19:25

But you really need to be solid , standing with a secure man who's ? Also established and easy to come by .

Speaker 2 19:33

And I understand that , my wife she works in like a male dominated profession , and even me sometimes I'm like what are you freaking guys texting , you Like ?

Speaker 4 19:40

the hell yeah , what do you ?

Speaker 2 19:42

want to do . She's actually nypd and that's the first time that's the first time on air . I said that , don't judge me , but it is true . It's like you got to take a step back and like I'm like they're just co-workers friends . She's male dominated . I always like wonder . And there's like a . I'm like there's just coworkers friends . She's male dominated . I always like wonder . And there's like a rule in like the police world you never date a cop or whatever . So it's like yeah , I'm like .

Speaker 1 20:05

I've heard that you meet a cop at a bar . He's married .

Speaker 3 20:08

We're done , we have .

Speaker 2 20:13

I'm going to get . I'm going to get real personal . I'm going to get real personal real quick and gonna get , I'm gonna get real personal , I'm gonna get real personal real quick and and then I'm gonna keep it moving . But so when I first met my wife , right , I I thought she was a stripper . It was like it was mom mom's night out , so she was done up very , very well and you know , every everything was shown . It was a great night and I thought I thought she was like a dancer of some sort and nothing wrong with that or whatever .

Speaker 2 20:36

Going forward like three weeks into our relationship , she's like sending me selfies , like in uniform or not , before we dated . I'm sorry , and I'm like what the hell ? I'm like , look at this , look at this chick . Like what the hell is she doing ? And then I'm like yo , that's like a real good halloween costume , like what is going on over here now ? Uh , I've been married like two years . We're , we've been together like seven or eight years . I wish she was a stripper . Man , I would . I would be so stress-free because , like you know , they're just doing a job , like you know what I mean .

Speaker 2 21:05

Oh , my goodness , that's funny yeah , but no , that's a true story . But . But I imagine like especially like like now , life after boxing , like you guys going on dates , what's going on with that ? I want to know , I want to . I know you talk about on your show what's ?

Speaker 1 21:19

going on with that ? I want to know I know you talk about it on your show I don't kiss and tell we do behind closed doors , I mean .

Speaker 2 21:26

I'm not saying who .

Speaker 1 21:28

I made it very clear the other day . I got this little belly and I'm still banging hotties . No , you have no belly , you have skin . No , tell the truth . She knows it's hidden in the shorts right now . It's hanging out and I don't care . Ask Veronica what I have for lunch Pizza .

Speaker 2 21:53

That's good , you got it .

Speaker 1 21:54

I'm still begging the hotties . This one don't kiss and tell at fucking four . I have to jump on top of her , rip her mouth open and beg her for information . Oh boy , oh boy .

Speaker 4 22:08

Why you got to come for me like that .

Speaker 3 22:10

You sound like Tracee Ella Wurls . I'm still begging the hotties .

Speaker 1 22:14

Because I gossip , I give information , give and receive , and I'll talk to her and she'll go , oh my god , and then say nothing .

Speaker 2 22:24

So for the listeners that are listening on their podcast , they go into a little more detail . There's a lot of . I think you said something about someone getting peed on or something , Heather .

Speaker 1 22:34

Wait what I did not say peed on . You said spit on . Oh , my bad , my bad , who are you ? I did not say , he said spit on my bed who's going to Dubai ? You piss on me . It's going to be the last thing you do on Sunday night you got stung by a jellyfish , that's it , but again , you basically alluded to it .

Speaker 2 23:04

It is hard dating or finding love . Are you guys looking for love ? I just want to know . I don't want you to tell me who . I'm not asking for deets , no children , no , nothing , nothing . Heather , you have kids or no ?

Speaker 1 23:18

I have a 21-year year old daughter who's beautiful and happy and smart oh , that's awesome in college that's paid for and a boyfriend who's taking her traveling around the world oh , she's living life damn she is living her best yeah

Speaker 2 23:36

congratulations .

Speaker 3 23:37

That's when she got a crypto boss , she's beautiful .

Speaker 2 23:42

That's probably more of an accomplishment Than your boxing stuff .

Speaker 4 23:46

Heather worked very hard For her baby to be where she's at . I know you gotta give yourself A little dust off . So what's your ?

Speaker 3 23:55

daughter , think about you as a fighter .

Speaker 1 23:58

She don't give a fuck . She's not a little girl . She never was impressed . She'd be like Mom . Why is the Wall Street Journal at our house ? Danny , please , just go on Fox News , Please .

Speaker 2 24:14

That's funny . A friend of ours Punch one of our other co-hosts . He says shout out , coach Jimmy Wagner .

Speaker 1 24:22

Oh , I remember Jimmy . Jimmy was out . I remember Dunkin' Donuts at Jimmy's . What the hell ? I have a brain injury , but I remember having Dunkin' Donuts at Jimmy's gym .

Speaker 2 24:38

Okay , all right , that's cool .

Speaker 1 24:40

Who's ? That's cool . Okay , from the gym so .

Speaker 2 24:47

So , speaking on on your brain injury , one of your great accomplishments is what you do for for outside of boxing and and you're very outspoken on it and that these fighters do deserve benefits . And one thing I learned with this podcast as we mingle with fighters , more and more , I'm like , oh man , like this , this cte stuff and brain injuries is it's real like we as fans ? You just see them on tv , we see you guys on tv and you're like our superheroes , but we don't realize . No , you're actually getting punched in the face like your . Your brain is actually rattling . And the more and more fighters I meet at events and stuff as we slowly grow like very slowly , fuck nice .

Speaker 2 25:25

I know , sorry Yo , this guy bro , he always do that , I keep on telling him that I have high expectations , but anyway , I'm like , wow , it's a real thing . Like me and my wife . We went to a fight recently , inida , and we spoke to some people and we walked away and she was like , oh my goodness , like is that guy all right , is that girl all right ? And I'm like no , like yeah , they're fine , but this is boxing like this is this is what they got to deal with . And again , I just want to applaud you for that , because you have been heather very outspoken in in that regard .

Speaker 2 25:55

And it doesn't . It doesn't resonate like when you're on tv . As fans , we just think you're normal getting in a fight . Like you don't see that side of it , and especially like the non-boxing media and stuff , it's way worse than football , like like the nfl and cte is always always on the air , but you don't hear anything about combat fighters , so it's it's crazy to see so . So props to you for that , props to you for your child . Um , you guys are great , man , I , I like this is like like I . We started off the show with like a bang and like uh , talking about poops , but you guys are great . What going forward now , though ? What ? What are your guys goals in , like your , your career as trainers now outside of the fighter and boxing . And Ronika , I want to hear you , because Heather keeps butting it . No , I'm just kidding , you're not butting it . I want to hear what you got to say , ronika .

Speaker 4 26:47

No , just to keep building . I know people are like , oh , why don't you work with professionals , like working directly with them in the corners and stuff like that , and I mean it's cool , like I don't , I don't mind , and if that opportunity comes up , of course I will take it , but I enjoy . You know training people , teaching people boxing , and you know just being there to help them mentally . So it was just really . You know getting more clients that are in the same wavelength and just you know , keep pushing .

Speaker 2 27:17

Okay , so are you guys , are you going to stay in in Brooklyn and and at Gleason's , or do you have aspirations to do your own thing at some point ? Nothing against them , obviously I'm not . I'm not trying to paint that , that narrative , but is there ?

Speaker 4 27:31

any like you're saying , um , that is , that is something that I wouldn't mind doing , um , and if I was supposed to have my own gym , I would definitely want to bring , like , different aspects in it . But I've thought , I've thought about it before , I've thought about it before , but it's just like where would I have it ? I would die .

Speaker 1 27:49

I would die in Greece . Bruce is my dad and he has children and grandchildren that work at the gym and he still tells them I'm his favorite child .

Speaker 2 28:05

I will say , like Heather , you are , you are like a staple there , cause when I talk to other fans and stuff that go to Gleason's or whatever , they'll either be like oh yeah , yeah , she was like a champ , she sells the tickets there , and then they'll say other things . I'm like , yeah , she was like a champ , she sells the tickets there , and then they'll say other things . I'm like , yeah , that's heather the hearty , like that . Do you know who you're talking ? Do you know who the hell you're talking to ? Like she's so cool , whatever . Like do you know who the fuck you're talking to ? Though , like it's , it's funny to see to me , because to me , like both of you are like oh man , like you just got . If I see someone on tv , I'm like starstruck , but you guys are world champions and it's like whoa . And are you guys , ronica , this is directed towards you but the TCL League , the Team Combat League , are you going to dabble with that again , or are you okay with just doing what you're doing right now ?

Speaker 4 28:50

No , when I say that I've retired , I've retired , when I say I'm done , I'm done . I did the TCL just as a I was just . I did it just to see if . Okay , let me just jump in the ring and see how I feel . See , you know what this like brings up . You know there's something good . You got to try to just remind yourself and also it was something that was new , something that you know it was just created , and so being able to say that I was a part of it , you know I'm okay with that . But I don't know , it's not something I'm going to do going forward .

Speaker 2 29:31

Did you like that setup , like the one round , and then it's like a team thing , it's game .

Speaker 4 29:35

At first I didn't like it too much . I was like this is dumb , especially when you're used to going so many rounds back to back and you understand yourself as a fighter and I know that I'm better on my last ends than I am on my beginnings . So one round for me is I might as well be in the locker room .

Speaker 3 29:54

You can't get in the flow .

Speaker 4 29:58

It's just too quick for you know , just for that one , for that three minutes or two minutes or whatever . But what I would say is , as season kept going on and you know they also have the money rounds , so there's sometimes you'll fight twice and not once , but having that team , team , team against team thing , I found that to be like really interesting . I found that to be very exciting , you know , in the way that it happened and how you , you know the points going up , going down , and every fight can be the fight to either take for you to either win it or for you to be close enough , or , you know , or vice versa . So it was . I won't say that it was not fun . It kind of reminded me of when I was on the women's national team in amateurs , and you know we will go to different countries and you know , fight different countries and things like that . I didn't . I think those are my , like my best time in boxing when I was um , when I was doing that .

Speaker 2 30:57

So people don't realize too . The TCL league like has like legit fighters , like like I know we have a few friends that are pro and they'll go in there because I guess they pay . Good , I heard , I don't know , I don't care to know , but I heard they pay out all right , but and uh , uh , like like you fought a friend of ours , ginny , and and ginny's not a bad fighter , fuchs oh , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah I'm probably saying her name wrong .

Speaker 2 31:21

She's gonna kill me , but uh , you fought a friend of ours and and she's , she's decent , she's not . She's not a bad fighter at all and then other pro friends of ours fought people and they're like yo , I wasn't prepared and they came out cracking . They're real fighters . They're not fake fighters .

Speaker 4 31:36

No , no , no . All the fighters are people who actually fight or who are professional , have records . I think when it first started they wanted people . They wanted I think the first year they wanted people who um was probably like the beginning of their professional right , or they were um amateurs that wanted to go pro . You know , they kind of mean like that and I feel like every year they've changed the criteria of the acceptance and I think right now anybody can can go . It does not matter what your um , what your your pro record look like . It doesn't matter you come , you could win this game for 52 years and they're gonna say yes .

Speaker 3 32:17

So how is it like the training ? Do y'all train together as a team , or is just like individual and y'all just coming in for that day ?

Speaker 2 32:23

real quick , real quick . Uh , one of our listeners , friend of a friend of the show , slyly Tendencies . He always listens . Heather the motherfucking heat , awesome fighter and incredible memes . Heather the heart , that ending sequence with Amanda Serrano was sensational . The queen , she killed it .

Speaker 1 32:44

I didn't make that .

Speaker 2 32:46

This guy listens all the time . He's a real boxing fan .

Speaker 1 32:48

I'm about to leave y'all for five minutes so I can go hit my blunt .

Speaker 2 32:53

You can hit it on here , we don't care .

Speaker 1 32:55

No , I can't hit it in here .

Speaker 2 32:58

Oh sorry , We'll hurry up then . Damn Don't you got like a pen . The pens are in now .

Speaker 1 33:05

I don't fucking want the second person that asked me if I did that .

Speaker 3 33:11

She's still real blunt , that's true .

Speaker 2 33:14

You are always in Tim's . I should have known better .

Speaker 4 33:16

Thank you Always in them damn rusty .

Speaker 1 33:21

Tim's , listen , I be smoking that same shit Willie Nelson smoked . They ain't no vapes or pens or strawberry sugar , fucking bullshit .

Speaker 2 33:30

I don't think the eyesight has to do with boxing anymore . Now I know , nah , I'm half kidding , but seriously .

Speaker 1 33:40

I know what are you doing with the other half ? I don't know .

The Future of Women's Boxing

Speaker 2 33:46

You are the funny one , heather . I must say you are the funny one , heather . I must say you are the funny one . All right , we'll wrap it up quick . We won't take too much of your time .

Speaker 1 33:56

Heather's bored jesus uh , he's not bored , but let me tell you something if you blame this on me , she's going to kill me , and then I'm going to kill you too . So figure that out .

Speaker 2 34:13

I might like that , but there's the creep in me . She's like yo 200 on Venmo right now Bad part . No problem , All right , let's just we'll wrap it up then . I don't . I don't want to take too much of your time . Like I said , let's just we'll wrap it up then . I don't want to take too much of your time , Like I said . You said the training . We're talking about TCL . What do you guys think of Clarissa Shields ? What do you think of this ? Clarissa Shields , Ali stuff , that's your question .

Speaker 1 34:35

That girl is on fire .

Speaker 3 34:39

That's my girl . I forgot all about that question .

Speaker 4 34:41

That girl is on fire .

Speaker 1 34:49

Leave her . Let her do what she leave her . Let her do that baby girl smiling , she's glowing , she's in her era , she's in her time . She let that one be smiling , leave her alone .

Speaker 2 34:57

Trini came out don't make Leroy , he's one stop away I never mind but , I love it , but I call through that when she walks into japan you guys are gonna be great podcasters , way more entertaining than ours . I will say like we were just talking , like clarissa Clarissa's so good , it's like it's boring , like it's like you know she's going to win . You know she's going to wax that ass nonstop .

Speaker 4 35:36

Yes , but it's more than just that . Listen Floyd beat everybody and everybody won so why can't y'all watch her win and win and win these ?

Speaker 1 35:44

girls , I don't know Very , very good , it's just that much .

Speaker 2 35:50

I didn't . I didn't mean that as like an insult . We just said to like you , look at what Jake Paul's doing with women's boxing . Look what Clarissa did in Detroit without Jake Paul , Like that stadium was on fire .

Speaker 3 36:00

So yeah , and that's what I'm saying she was sending every time you would tag her or say anything about her . She was sending that ticket thing over the ticket link .

Speaker 2 36:11

She almost whipped Willie's ass once ringside .

Speaker 3 36:14

I was drunk .

Speaker 4 36:15

I was drunk . Don't play with her .

Speaker 3 36:18

No , she was cool , she was cool .

Speaker 2 36:24

She's just that damn good , and again .

Speaker 4 36:26

And she's about her business . She's her own boss and , as her own boss , she can do what she please . And she's about her business . She's her own boss and , as her own boss , she can do what she pleases , and she's in a healthy relationship too .

Speaker 1 36:34

Hello what .

Speaker 2 36:37

We saw that new tattoo .

Speaker 4 36:39

Listen , leave her alone , let her do what she wants to do .

Speaker 2 36:46

And again , we're team Clarissa , so we met her a few times . She's always great with us and it's just great to see . But I have a question for you . Heather Serrano hits that hard . Yes , she could crack .

Speaker 1 37:01

I mean , it's not a secret , I said it a million times she's one of the hardest punches I've ever faced .

Speaker 3 37:07

What do you think about her fight her trilogy just now ? What do you think about that ?

Speaker 1 37:14

She's one of the greatest fighters of all time .

Speaker 3 37:16

You think she won a couple of those , though you think she won two of those .

Speaker 4 37:20

Definitely , oh yeah . I definitely don't think it was Katie , the last one .

Speaker 1 37:23

She didn't win , let me tell you something I think her and Katie won all three of those yeah yeah , yeah .

Speaker 2 37:31

So the biggest takeaway from that fight and this is respect to women's boxing and the level it's at Obviously , when Jake Paul fought Mike Tyson , that broke all kinds of records , whatever , but the only fight that people really cared about as the resident boxing guy those two girls , those two girls and it created such a buzz amongst , like , just regular folk that watch baseball .

Speaker 4 37:52

They're like whoo and which is sad because the girls have been doing it for a long time . Yeah , I know , I know A long time .

Speaker 2 37:58

And that's what I meant with that opening question Like is there any part of ?

Speaker 4 38:05

you guys that are like damn man if we . I wish you know , this time was when it was my era and time , of course , but that's not to say that what you going to do . You know what I'm saying . I was born when I was born , situation happened when it happened , yeah , yeah , yeah , this is what's happening .

Speaker 1 38:21

That's how .

Speaker 4 38:22

I look at it Radical generation .

Speaker 1 38:24

walk the club so I can walk , walk so they can run , run so the next girls can sprint . Because no freedom until we're equal , just because these girls made all that money on the car . Yeah yeah , it don't mean that everybody's paying girls . It don't mean that all women are getting signed . You still got the same bullshit going on .

Speaker 2 38:42

Yeah .

Speaker 1 38:42

So there's always going to be a generation of women that retires and looks , and it's not a sense of , you know , resentment , no no , no sadness and knowing , like oh man if I was five years younger , but there's so much pride in it knowing that you don't . I think gloria steinem said I don't pass my baton , I use my torch to light the next generation . So we didn't give nothing up , we're still watching .

Speaker 3 39:11

I was trying to tell them earlier that y'all need one of those . You know how we were talking about Ali coming back . Y'all need somebody to come back . Like you know , megan Pacquiao comes back , like you know . One of those fights .

Speaker 1 39:25

I mean . Holly Holm just came back to boxing from the UFC . She just signed , I think , with Latrim .

Speaker 4 39:31

No , I mean you have a lot of people who are coming back out who feel like you know they still have it in them . So we'll see . I just hope that nobody don't judge them , because they're not judging the guys , so I just hope that they leave all who want to come back .

Speaker 4 39:48

I don't just hope that they leave . All who want to come back , I don't care how old they are , all who want to come back or who . All who want to call whoever out , let them just come and do what do ? What they do don't have the argue don't have . I don't want to hear the argument about like oh , why would she , why would he , and they and all of them .

Speaker 2 40:04

I I will do . You think they should go to three minute rounds though , though , because I think if Serrano and Katie Taylor were three-minute rounds , right , oh man , serrano's 3-0 . Easy .

Speaker 3 40:17

How work ethic is crazy yeah .

Speaker 4 40:19

I mean I think , listen , there's possibilities of anything . I can't sit down and say yes , I can't sit down and say no . Obviously , we see the kind of One lady got in her .

Speaker 1 40:29

If my mother had balls , she'd be my father . Right what she said my mother had balls , she'd be my father .

Speaker 2 40:38

Next question Alright , we're going to let y'all go . Alright , listen .

Speaker 3 40:48

This is the earliest I'm ever going to go home , yeah .

Speaker 2 40:50

I'm going to let you all go . Thank you for the time what happened .

Speaker 4 40:53

Wait , how long do you guys interview people for ?

Speaker 2 40:58

We just go until the flow stops .

Speaker 3 41:00

I feel bad , I'm starstruck , I feel like I'm holding Heather up .

Speaker 2 41:03

I don't want to hold Heather up oh because it started earlier .

Speaker 4 41:04

That's why I don't want to hold Heather up . Oh , because it started earlier . That's why , oh , you're right , because it's just making seven . Now we can keep going .

Speaker 3 41:10

I work at 1.30 am , so we be on here . We start at 7 o'clock usually and then we just keep on talking .

Speaker 2 41:19

It's just rambling . Do you guys just train ? Do you have side jobs ? Or , besides the Feet Finder stuff Heather talked about , do you guys side ?

Speaker 4 41:25

job , not yet , but coming to me soon , oh okay at a theater near you can't wait to see heather's arch right oh my god , those boots man yo heather .

Speaker 2 41:39

Heather , you posted something the other day . I didn't , I wasn't gonna say anything . Like I said , I'm a big fan , but there was like chewed gum under your timberland , like you posted , like the timberland , that'sland I was like that's the most street shit I've ever seen .

Speaker 1 41:51

Let me tell you something . Veronica , tell me if I'm lying . How many dead rats do you step over on the street ? Got to get by cars , by bicycles , the amount of time I'm like , oh shit , Thank God I have Timberland boots on . I wouldn't want my Nike ones . We're going to slap a shit on them .

Speaker 2 42:10

Those ACGs fall apart . I heard too Timbaland , stay together .

Speaker 1 42:13

We're not doing that and a sandal A sandal in New York Go down .

Speaker 2 42:20

So elaborate on this weird rivalry you have with her with the sandals . Not rivalry , but like conflict . Have with who with the sandals ? You , you and her Isn't there , like some , with the shoes or the blue shoes you were talking about on your podcast ? I don't like my boots .

Speaker 4 42:34

I just said I don't like her boots . I don't know why she's wearing Timbs and 90 degree weather . I don't know .

Speaker 3 42:39

She's from New York . She's been to New York .

Speaker 1 42:43

And it's a weapon . I swing this foot . I'm giving someone a concussion . They're going to be at the neurologist for me .

Speaker 2 42:56

Do you

Reflections on Their Podcast Journey

Speaker 2 42:57

? Do you so , so , like , like Heather , you're New York escapades , right , like people not from the East Coast even , or obviously New York it's a different entity but , like you see , like crazy shit in the streets all the time .

Speaker 1 43:08

Every day in my single life single , oh single single , not single . You still have I've been saying for years somebody need a video man , because you can't believe some of this shit that happens you do need a reality show both of you , though that your podcast is the first step .

Speaker 2 43:27

Like these reality shows , suck . My . My wife watches these dumb shows all day . All these , these fake people like you guys are the most real people . You keep it real . Just keep keeping it real , cause I'm tuned in Like , like I said .

Speaker 4 43:39

Like I said , I'm tired of baddies too , Since episode one since one I'm like you , got heather you did because you did , you did help , you did hit me up and let me know that , yeah , like enjoyed and you know you liked what you saw , so I appreciate that the next episode is gonna be great .

Speaker 3 43:56

I'm so excited and and , and I just often do y'all shoot . What's the next one ?

Speaker 4 44:01

we do , we try to do like , at least like every other week okay that's like us too .

Speaker 2 44:06

We try to like recap the fights , but , man , you know what boxing needs is a season because , like it's never gonna happen , because boxing is every season .

Speaker 4 44:15

It's all about like it's not one , it's not a sport where you can be like oh okay , it's the winter , it's the winter , boxing or something . Just said to me they would like all year round .

Speaker 1 44:24

I was like what ? It was like a football game . I was was a football game . It was flag football . I'm like who the fuck is playing football in fucking August ? You liar Flag football . I was like what ?

Speaker 2 44:40

It's not racist . That's kind of corny .

Speaker 1 44:43

That's a basketball he's going to play that flag , fucking football game .

Speaker 3 44:47

Okay , okay , never mind , it's fun basketball he's going to play that flag , fucking football game . Oh okay , never mind .

Speaker 2 44:52

Never mind , it's easy fun out there . There you go . How did he say it , though ? Did he say it like it was regular football , though , like , yeah , I'm in the NFL , I got a football game .

Speaker 1 44:59

No , but you know how guys talk . I was like , oh , what do you got going on today ? Football game , that's how they talk . I don't like a football game . Fucking August , you sack of shit .

Speaker 2 45:14

He's probably nice , though , if he's in a flag football league .

Speaker 3 45:18

You can find one and you can be in one tomorrow , if you want what .

Speaker 1 45:23

I'll pull a hamstring twice . You said he could . He wouldn't , though Not for me . No , you said he could he wouldn't though .

Speaker 2 45:30

Yeah , I don't know , not for me , Not for me . No one's pulling my flag . That's why no one's pulling my flag .

Speaker 4 45:39

I don't know what else you got Nothing . Listen , I let you . We did a lot . I let you lily-dial . I see what you're doing . What do you mean ? What am I doing ? I see what you're doing . What do you mean ? What am I doing ? I see what you're doing . What am I doing ? You keep talking to have us keep talking . I feel you though I feel you , though I understand , you Don't worry about it .

Speaker 3 45:59

I understand you , I'm not .

Speaker 4 46:01

I'm going to get the blunt . You got to say bye . You got to do the bye . She's going to get that weed . That was an Irish bye . That's what she does when she's out . We be out somewhere and you look for her and she's gone Talking about . Sorry , I did the Irish thing , am I ?

Speaker 1 46:20

No , my father Listen . When I got married 26 years ago , I got married , I got divorced . When I got married , at my engagement dinner , it was me and my ex-husband , my mother , my father and his parents and my father . Irish Goodbye in the middle of dinner . That is the king of Irish Goodbye , okay .

Speaker 4 46:42

All right guys Thank you so much .

Speaker 3 46:46

Next time .

Speaker 2 46:46

I'm starting the show with I play flag football .

Speaker 1 46:50

No , you gotta do it like this I play flag football .

Speaker 2 46:56

Yo , thank you for the time . We're big fans .

Speaker 3 46:58

All right . Later we got to do this again , though .

Speaker 1 47:01

We got to do this again , for sure . Bye Later .