Floor Seats, Fight Month, all things boxing!! (teo/shakur MSG)

Two fighters in their prime meet at Madison Square Garden, prior to that we recap Serrano’s three-minute-round almost mishap, Dalton Smith’s shocker over Matias, and all the chaos that pushed us to buy floor seats. We break down Shu Shu’s title shot, Adames vs Ammo, Keyshawn vs Ortiz, and the style chess of Teo vs Shakur.

• Serrano vs Tellez three-minute rounds and Tellez’s stock rising
• MVP’s role in elevating women’s boxing
• Ebanie Bridges narrative vs ring craft
• Han outboxing Holm before cut and cards
• Matias vs Dalton Smith upset and 140-lb reshuffle
• Tank Davis legal mess and cautionary talk
• Vargas family scuffle and viral moments
• Ryan Garcia’s fast-track title shot scrutiny
• Vergil Ortiz Jr vs Golden Boy lawsuit implications
• Buying floor seats for MSG and fan perspective
• Jarrell Miller’s must-perform return
• Bruce “ShuShu” Carrington vs Carlos Castro for WBC featherweight
• Carlos Adames vs Ammo Williams power vs pressure
• Keyshawn Davis vs Jamaine Ortiz late switch stakes
• Teofimo Lopez vs Shakur Stevenson tactics, ring size, and scoring

Enter the giveaway: “TEOFIMO LOPEZ autographed, certified 8x10 photo—rules on Instagram @thesparin. Winner picked before the fight.”

THE SPAR-INN ON YOUTUBE

Transcript

SPEAKER_07 0:11

Yo, what up, what up, what up? Welcome to the Spar Unboxing Radio Podcast. Slight delay, snow delay. We got snow outside over here in New York, but damn, we got a packed show. Willie is with me. What up? Yeah. Is this shit too dark? Are we are we like in the shadows?

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Oh no.

SPEAKER_07 0:26

That will only concern me. Um, what do you mean? Oh, oh, I see what you did there. Okay. Uh yeah. Packed show, man. Real boxing, real drama, powered by Empire Nutrition. Our uh our meal guys, our protein guys keeps us freaking felt in jacked.

SPEAKER_03 0:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 0:44

We got some uh reviews to go over quick, nothing crazy though. And then we have the biggest card of the year already. Probably the biggest card of the whole year.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

So we're gonna talk about it as the year goes on. This week and next week.

SPEAKER_07 0:55

Yeah, because I'm gonna chop it up. Next week we're not gonna do a show, I don't think. We'll just do it every other week. Um I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:01

Why are we going back saying back?

SPEAKER_07 1:03

So you wanna just do you wanna just do the the we should do the real breakdown next week. How about how about we do the um we'll just do Shakur? Uh nah, man, let's just do it all. So now just chop it all up for for this week and next week. You know what I mean? We got a long show today.

SPEAKER_01 1:19

Well, we still I think we need to go back to I don't know how we do a setbacks. We gotta go. We haven't been yeah, we missed a week. What it felt like two weeks, was it one?

Live Platforms And Audience Banter

SPEAKER_07 1:30

Was it two? I don't know, but we're here, it's January. This month is taking forever because of the biggest card of the year. Um I think we should just do it because and we'll just chop it up and this way we could chop up clips. But we should have talked about that off the air because we are live. Tap that screen on TikTok, live on Instagram, and live on YouTube, the Spar Inboxing Podcast. Um, did you watch the Serrano card, man? This the whole card? No. Uh no, but did you watch Serrano herself?

SPEAKER_01 1:58

Yeah, I watched, I watch her struggle a little bit with the old size girl.

SPEAKER_07 2:04

Yo, she that girl is good though.

SPEAKER_01 2:07

She's gonna be she's gonna be good.

SPEAKER_07 2:09

Let's just let's just talk about before we get into the card though. Let's let's just welcome ourselves back. I got to write her name down. I got it. I got all that. I got a whole fucking slew of notes here, seven pages of notes. Because we got a big ass show because we're being lazy. We said new year resolution, we're gonna go every week.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_07 2:25

And Willie, Willie almost didn't come today.

SPEAKER_01 2:27

He said it's snowing. Man, it's snowing, bro. So what? I don't got a car for the snow. So what?

SPEAKER_07 2:34

Um yeah, doing a little TO giveaway, TO autograph. I'm so excited, man. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

That shit's sounding good, too. Yeah, looking everybody loving it.

SPEAKER_08 2:45

Somewhat.

SPEAKER_07 2:46

Oh, it's on the wall. It's on the wall. Uh yeah, that's real too. You know, I have too much TO shit, so I gotta I gotta get rid of some. Oh man, I'm so excited. Uh so we weren't gonna sit on the floor or go to this fight on January 31st. Oh, was it? Nah, because tickets were crazy. Or we were gonna go, but we weren't gonna sit where we want to sit. Yeah, but um, we're quick to pull the trigger. We did, we're on the floor, baby.

SPEAKER_01 3:09

This is insane.

SPEAKER_07 3:10

January 31st. We're on the floor, man. Yeah, I'm still paying for it too, but who cares, man? You only live once, man. Life is short. You gotta just go. We're doing it. The Spartan is on the floor for Teo versus Shakur, man. That is crazy. We are idiots, but whatever. I'm here for it.

SPEAKER_01 3:27

Meta glasses. Y'all gonna be seeing everything I see.

SPEAKER_07 3:30

Oh, you're gonna wear them?

SPEAKER_01 3:32

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_07 3:33

The meta glasses, those those are cool though. Like it's it's it's HD.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

Yeah, this is nice.

SPEAKER_07 3:39

Like 4K.

SPEAKER_01 3:40

I used it for Callie's uh thing. Um our big mother guy up here.

SPEAKER_07 3:46

So I don't know who Big Ball's McGee is, but he says K. Okay. Uh what up? Um again, we're live on TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube. Uh, just getting in the swing of things again. We did take two weeks off. Fuck. Sorry, guys. Yeah, sorry. Um, I think we're up to double digit fans. Sorry. Sorry, guys.

SPEAKER_00 4:06

We gotta keep the momentum going, man.

SPEAKER_07 4:08

Yeah, yeah. We gotta get the energy up. Keep sipping them drinks. Um, but again, we have a pack show. We are gonna we are gonna do that. I'm gonna make an executive decision because this way I could chop up the clips as time goes on and we'll just keep pushing clips out. So we have a pack show. Wiggle your butt, get fucking settled because uh this these chairs are not comfortable. But I tried to get comfortable chairs and it's not working. 2020 fucking six, man. Here we are, January.

SPEAKER_01 4:33

Is this the first one of the year?

SPEAKER_04 4:34

No, no, right? What first month of the year?

SPEAKER_01 4:37

No, this is the first podcast of the year.

SPEAKER_07 4:39

No, no, no, no. But it's like the first real one. The last one we're just giving gifts and being stupid. Um loaded show though, loaded show though. We're breaking down the Serrano MVP Puerto Rico card, including uh the the the girl who stepped up in her first ever three-minute round belt uh bout and kind of shocked shocks the woman's boxing world. Um quick quick rundown of that though, and then we got a little Subaru Subril Matias to uh review. I know again we're a week out, but um that was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 5:11

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_07 5:12

Then PEDs never and uh right after that we're headed to Madison Square Garden, January 31st, for that uh preview. We're gonna preview that, not a review and just get chopping it up. That card is amazing, and I I can't wait, man. We're on the floor, bro. We're on the floor. Yeah, we have tickets to the floor. I'm gonna keep saying it. We are on the fucking floor. If you don't like me saying it, I don't give a fuck. We're on the floor.

SPEAKER_01 5:37

How close is it?

SPEAKER_07 5:38

Uh, we're close. It don't matter, we're on the floor. We're nosebleeds on the floor, but we're on the fucking floor. Um, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

I'm the floor nose. This is on the floor of I'm still working on it, too. Big MSG.

SPEAKER_07 5:50

Yeah, the big room. So we might be a little bit back, but whatever. Honestly, the seats are probably better. Like if you get the bowl, like the hundred level or two hundred level, like if you for watching the fights, those seats are probably better, but you know, we're gonna be drinking and mingling and shit, so fuck it.

SPEAKER_04 6:09

Yeah, it's it's gonna be good.

Serrano Card Recap Begins

SPEAKER_07 6:12

All right, let's just get right into it. Um, so again, we are gonna review because we're a little bit behind the Amanda Serrano Arena Tellez three-minute round uh card itself. It was kind of a a woman's heavy card, so I'll go from the bottom up. It was uh Ebony Bridges is making was making her debut with MVP promotions. You know who Ebony Bridges is? No, she's that really, really uh, really, really uh stacked. You've seen her blonde, she's very curvy. I'm trying to say this politically correct. Yeah, uh, there's a reason that they got her, and I don't think it was her boxing ability, nothing against her.

SPEAKER_00 6:48

Oh crap.

SPEAKER_07 6:49

But bro, like uh, and I like what MVP's doing with the females and stuff, but it was so clear in this one that they were using her like looks and like they kept running with this mom narrative. It's Kel Brooks' um Kel Brooks' freaking uh baby mom. I don't know. Are they even dating? He was there. I think they're dating. Kel Brook has a few kids with other moms. So god damn. But uh, so he was there and and you know, they were they were running with this because she does bring a crowd. She's from England, she's very pretty, she's very curvy, she's tatted, uh, she's also like a math teacher. She's funny, she's got a great personality, but I her boxing uh skill is not what um yeah, it's not that good. She lost actually. But the announcers, man, and and I guess MVP was telling them to do this, it had to be. They they were running with this mom narrative, like she's the only mom in the world. Meanwhile, every woman on that card, I think, was a mom. So every female that was boxing on that card was a mom, and they just I noticed I'm like, yo, shut the hell up. Like, there's okay, we get it. She's a mom. She brought her kid in, like, but this is just proof that like if you're very hot, things are easier for you. Like hot girls and like even even good-looking dudes, like they got it easier, bro, than ugly, ugly peeps.

SPEAKER_01 7:59

Hot girls is number one, yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_07 8:01

They and again, she's cool, she's a boxer, she's a pro, so I respect her. But compared to everyone else, she's just not that good, and they just keep running.

SPEAKER_01 8:09

She's trying to box too, and she's hot. That's that's just like she's the one, she's the one.

SPEAKER_07 8:14

Remember, she was in that fight? Her eye like blew up. Yeah, you had to see it. Um, again, if you have cleavage and a booty and tats and you're hot, and you you could do big things in the world, no pun intended. If you're got a dad bod and bald and stubby and always got like a lazy eye like me, you're gonna be struggling a little. But seriously, uh that that was kind of one takeaway I got from that. Um, she lost too, so that that was really weird. Uh, actually, she lost to this girl from Texas, who also was a mom, and and like who had who was a golden glove amateur winner, I think. And like she she got her ass kicked, really. And it was just funny to see. Um, also on that card, again, we're gonna keep it quick with with this card because we are a little behind, was Stephanie Hahn versus Holly Holm. Holly Holm.

SPEAKER_01 9:00

Oh, yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_07 9:03

Stephanie Hahn's like a champion, she's a really good boxer, yeah, who's also a mom. They weren't mentioning it as much. She's also a police officer, she's also a model. Like this Stephanie Hahn girl runs circles around Ebony Bridges, but because Ebony Bridges got the areolas, they were like running with Ariola, like they were just hyping her up. But again, uh she was versus Holly Holm, kind of a high-profile fight because of Holly Holm.

SPEAKER_01 9:26

Yes, you know she she she she she wanted that fight because of the name. Yeah, definitely, man.

SPEAKER_07 9:33

And um that was a good fight. And and you know what? This is where MVP's good. Actually, I'll explain that in a second, but I didn't really know much about Stephanie Hahn. I've seen her fight, I I didn't really care, honestly. But watching her her piece up Holly Holm like that was cool. Like she outboxed her. Yeah, the the stoppage was stupid. It was a headbutt, a little cut. So then I don't know if it was it a no contest. No, they went to the scorecards and Han was winning. Yeah, it's a scorecard point. Yeah, I think that's what they did. I'm not sure. But yo, one takeaway I got from this was Holly Holm, right? I'm watching her, yo, and she moved around in the corner, like in between rounds. Yeah, she's like jumping rope, bro. I was like, yo, for her age and stuff, just move instead. What are you doing? Even on the walkout, like she was waiting in the ring, bro. She was basically doing jumping jacks for like a good 10 minutes before the floor. But at her age, she's older now. That that's gotta deter her. Like, that's gotta mess her up.

SPEAKER_01 10:28

I ain't never had a high motor. Like, I don't know how people like imagination. And then I started taking caffeine, it's like worse.

SPEAKER_07 10:37

I don't have a high motor in the ring, but when I'm cranking, my motor is high.

SPEAKER_01 10:41

All right, all right.

Ebony Bridges Hype And Backlash

SPEAKER_07 10:43

Uh no, but but for real. So so Holly Holm, I'm I'm watching her, and she is older, she's she has that older look. Props to her, she's a legend because of what she's done. Yeah, but then fucking she's jumping around for like in the corner. She's jumping around on the walkout. She's watching Stephanie Han because she's the champion. She came out second. She's watching her walk out. She's jumping, dude. Just jumping and jumping. I'm like, yo, she's gonna tear an Achilles just just before the fight starts. Rudy Beauty says, fart for me. I got none in me, sorry. Uh but for real, dude. I'm I'm watching it and I'm like, yo, this is like an older lady now. She's she's expending a lot of energy in there. A lot. And it kind of showed, I mean, she wasn't tired, but Stephanie Hahn picked her apart, bro.

SPEAKER_01 11:26

Yeah. Just the age, man, the slow reactions.

SPEAKER_07 11:31

These Instagram comments, I'm not gonna say, but they're fucking with me. Um, yeah, so so uh whatever. I'm kind of they're gonna probably do a rematch. I'm kinda sick of Holly Holm, honestly. Like just clearly MVP's using her as like clout to get this out to get it going, which I understand. And she can fight, I guess, but Han picked her apart, dude. And props to Han, who's also a mom again, not like Ebony Bridges, but I guess she's the only mom, but Stephanie Han is a mom. Um, and then that brings us to the Amanda Serrano card. Uh, this fight was I did not expect this. This was actually kind of exciting in a sense.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

Well, the Amanda fight? Yeah, it was crazy. I ain't gonna lie.

SPEAKER_07 12:12

Amanda Serrano versus Raina Tellez um in a three-minute round bout. And I gotta give it to our friend Lorenzo Medina heavyweight because he said he's like, yo, Reyna's nice. Reyna's nice. Yeah, and she only had like Eric Owen said you be farting after Christmas. They're fucking with me. Uh yeah, I do. Uh I got them Christmas farts. Uh, inside joke, sorry, I know we're live, but um Amanda Serrano versus Reyna Tell us, man. Reyna was a fill-in, two weeks' notice, comes in a little heavier. Two weeks. I I bet Amanda Serrano, not a little heavier.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

Yeah, she didn't make weight at all.

SPEAKER_07 12:44

No, I think Raina did, did she? No. No, shit. She didn't look at okay. I didn't know that. Really? Wow.

SPEAKER_01 12:49

They still fought. That's the crazy part.

SPEAKER_07 12:52

I'm actually trying to get Raina on the show. Um, so I was talking to her. Um, yeah, she might she might come on the show.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

She's good, bro.

SPEAKER_07 12:59

Yo, she gained a fan.

SPEAKER_01 13:01

Imagine if she she was uh able to train.

SPEAKER_07 13:04

Like that, so so that's what I was saying. Like, so so let's just talk about what happened before that. So Amanda Serrano's original opponent pops hot for PEDs or whatever the fuck, gets canceled. Three minute rounds, mind you, for a woman's fight. They're usually two. Incoming Raina Tellez. Reina Tellez comes in, says, Yeah, I'll do it on two-week notice, bro, versus Amanda Serrano. She's probably the hardest-hitting female. That's a very dangerous fight in a sense, and it's three minute rounds. Boom, comes in. I'll be honest. I I've seen her on undercards. I didn't know much about her. I had what Lorenzo told us where he said she's nice, she's known around Florida, she's she's nice with the hands, whatever. She comes in on two weeks' freaking notice. Yo, gives Amanda Serrano a run for her money.

SPEAKER_01 13:46

A real run. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 13:48

Goes the distance, and and then I'm starting to think in the middle of this, I'm like, yo, Serrano won clearly, but in the middle, in the middle, I'm like, if she had a full camp, this might be a different fight for Serrano.

SPEAKER_01 13:58

Yeah, because if she it looked like she hurt her a couple of times, Amanda. Like she shocked her. I think she heard it. She shocked her. She shocked her. Yeah, I don't think she was hurt, but she stunned her. Yeah, like yo. Sat her back a little bit.

SPEAKER_07 14:11

Great on her feet, great defense, uh, punching while moving. Very good to see. And and this is why Amanda Serrano and MVP is good for women's boxing and boxing in general, because now Raina Telles has a fan. Yeah, like usually we wouldn't really really care. But Reyna Tellez now has a fan, and and I'm I'm rooting for her.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

She took this loss, but it was a win.

SPEAKER_07 14:32

And Amanda, too, always showing great respect after the fight. So man love. She's like, You're signed by MVP. Because she wasn't signed. She's like, You're signed by MVP. We're gonna make sure you're signed by MVP promotion.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

She showed love all the time.

SPEAKER_07 14:43

She's she's great, and and that's cool. Um, or she said you're definitely getting a contract like with MVP.

SPEAKER_01 14:50

So did she get the contract for her?

SPEAKER_07 14:51

I don't know yet. Obviously, we'll have to talk to her about that. But yo, all they're about to be like MVP promotions is literally gonna be female MVP promotion. Like that's it's crazy to see. They they got they're signing all the females.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

That's shit. They're getting paid, they're getting paid, and then they fight, and then there's always good fights.

SPEAKER_07 15:10

And that's one thing too, I gotta say, about women's boxing, whether you like it or not. There's a lot of haters out there that hate it, and I get it. Sometimes the fights aren't as exciting as you'd think. Uh, but they always fight the best, always fight the best. There's no drama. Obviously, they have to because it's the market, the marketing of it isn't great, but dude, they the only one that really be having problems fighting is Clarissa.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

She's the only one.

SPEAKER_07 15:32

What do you mean? No, she fights every she fights.

Holm vs Han And Aging Fighters

SPEAKER_01 15:34

No, she's the only one that don't get the fights that she want in, like the big fights. She kind of she does, though. I think she does. I mean, she just I think she's beating everybody up, but it's not like the names, like just the weight.

SPEAKER_07 15:46

She's moving. There's not big names, though. She's she beat everybody up in every big name she could. Like everyone says the Serrano versus Clarissa fight is the main one. Yes, but the weights are just so different. All these weights are so different.

SPEAKER_01 15:57

I'm sure she can make them weights.

SPEAKER_07 15:59

I don't know, man. It's they're getting older, she's trying to have a baby, she's got papoose all in her.

SPEAKER_04 16:04

So oh shit, what'd I do? I did something. Uh Papoose, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:11

So yeah, I'm but she she still needs. I feel like she needs some names or something. I just take the she's still the best. Uh Michaela.

SPEAKER_07 16:22

Ooh. That'd be good. I think I think that's a really good fight because they're both slick boxers. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 16:27

Like they both could Michaela. That's a nice name for name.

SPEAKER_07 16:30

But that's wait too. Michaela's light.

SPEAKER_04 16:33

Michaela's light. They're friends too. But Michaela's light.

SPEAKER_01 16:36

And Amanda's light too.

SPEAKER_07 16:38

Mm-hmm. Serrano, too, though. I think she's on her way out, you know. She's she's getting up there in age. She loves to fight, obviously, but I love to watch her fight. Uh she was calling out. There was some MMA drama though. She was calling out one of the UFC people.

SPEAKER_01 16:52

Oh, that's what I was about to say, yeah. Um, what do you think about that? Was it Amanda? Amanda going to MMA.

SPEAKER_07 16:59

So she's like four and one, apparently, in in mixed martial arts. She's got a little background. I'll put it like this. If you get uh again, I didn't think it happened in MMA, but if if if you get if you're a girl and you get hit by Amanda Serrano punch, and we let's talk about that though.

SPEAKER_01 17:13

I want to ask her in person, like what makes her want to keep on fighting? Like she's doing like she's just a fight. Jamel Heron fighting.

SPEAKER_07 17:22

Did you see what happened in the crowd? We'll get to Jamel Herring too. We got a we got a drama portion of this show because there's always boxing drama. But did you see that what happened in the crowd of the serrano fight? Apparently, her trainer, the the bald dude. Yeah, the one that's always Oh no, that I'm sorry, that was on the that was on the the Brooklyn card, the Subrial card. He got into it, but we'll talk about that in a minute. I'm all over the place. Um, because of our weird start, because of the fucking snow. Uh yeah, man. So good on MVP. We'll close it out with that. Ebony Bridges is a mom, if you guys didn't know, uh, because they kept talking about it. She's a very hot mom.

SPEAKER_00 17:56

You keep talking about it.

SPEAKER_07 17:57

Because, dude, it was crazy. Like, uh, she's a MILF, we get it. Like, come on, dude. And I'm a fan of hers. Like, I like she's funny. She actually actually, I'm not that big of a fan because we were gonna have her on the show, and she wrote me back and told me to go through her management. And I was like, just I'm talking to you, just pop on the show. Like, what the fuck? So, no, never mind. Uh, but seriously, it was just we get it. Ebene Bridges is a hot mom. Like, okay, MVP. Okay, Jake Paul. Jake Paul likes the MILFs, apparently. Jake Paul loves the MILFs.

SPEAKER_02 18:24

Jake Paul loves.

SPEAKER_07 18:26

Uh, yeah, that was it. And then we had another fight to review. We had Subriel Matias versus uh uh Dalton Smith. I think it's Smith, right? Is it Dalton Smith for the 140 WBC Belt? The worst promoted fight I've I've ever seen in my life. Um I can't find where my notes are. That's why I'm I'm dragging here, just being honest. Oh, whatever. I guess I don't. Yeah, who cares? All right, Dalton Smith versus Subreel Matias. I gotta free ball this one. So for the 140-pound WBC belt, there was a lot of drama in the buildup of this fight. Uh, Subril tested positive for something, and then it was such a little bit amount that they they canceled it and they said, Don't worry about it. But then Dalton Smith and Eddie Hearn was having words with him. And listen, the fight was in Barclays, it was an all Puerto Rican card almost because Subril is Puerto Rican. Um the odds were close. It was like plus minus 100, 150, something around there. Subreel was the favorite. I thought Subreel was gonna knock him out. I really did. Um I thought Dalton Smith was gonna come in and he was gonna box like uh you know, with distance, use his jab and use his skill. Wow. Dalton Smith gained a fan, man.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

That's all you gotta do is the beginning of the fight, though.

SPEAKER_07 19:52

It was Mickey Ward Otoro Gotti vibes, bro. From the beginning of the fight, it was wild, dude. Just brawl. In the first three rounds, though, Subaru, I guess, was just trying to gauge him, or maybe he was trying to tire him out. I'm not really sure.

Serrano vs Raina Tellez Three-Minute Rounds

SPEAKER_01 20:06

It was like it he had a Dolte had a strategy and it worked. I don't know. He he he was like a good ads boxer in the first round, the second round, then he's like, and then he started like it was like a game plan to hold. I didn't understand.

SPEAKER_07 20:21

He's smart, dude. Whenever he was getting in a little bit of trouble, he'd just wrap up, wrap up.

SPEAKER_01 20:25

But then but it felt like the second second round, third round, he was doing it on purpose.

SPEAKER_07 20:31

Yeah, like it's probably tied because Superior starts to come alive then.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

Yeah, but it was only one round in. He boxed great for one round. Like when he boxed great, he literally was moving left and right and punching at the same time. And Matias is flat footed all the time. And he's straight boxed up. So you can go each way. Yeah, and he was just boxing around the whole the first round was beautiful work. Beautiful work.

SPEAKER_07 20:54

Did you see the pictures after the fight of uh Dalton Smith's face? Nah. So our little podcast friends, Johnny Boy and um Tom Delemith, whatever his name is, I never say his best name, right? But TD Sports or whatever, they were all they were all there in Brooklyn and they went to the after party with Dalton Smith. Yo, his face was bruised up. But before we get there, so what happened was if you didn't see the fight, it's only five rounds, it's a good fight to watch. If you want to re-watch a fight, that's one of those things. Dogging each other out, dude, thugging it out, standing in the middle of the ring, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. Because that's every fight Subriel Matias is in is fun to watch because of his style, and he does he's killed multiple people in the ring, like killed them. So his style is always fun to watch because it's gonna be a banger, dude. Dalton Smith fucking knocked him fucking out. Yeah, and then he got up, staggered, staggered, ref stopped it. Good stoppage. I I'm okay with Subreal Matias retiring. Like, you you can't he's coming off a fight with Alberto Playu. Remember, we were there, yeah. Another crazy fight, Playu has to be the biggest 140 pounder in everyone. I know, and they were the the amount of contact that they were making with each other was insane.

SPEAKER_01 22:07

So and he's older too, or he's older than the face, yeah. But uh I don't um that stop, but that one two was freaking crazy.

SPEAKER_06 22:17

The one two he caught him with Dalton Smith, dude. 140 is a great freaking oh that had to be some power.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

He moved up so much in a weight division, like the rankings.

SPEAKER_07 22:26

Yeah, he's a WBC champion, bro.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Yeah, but he just he's he's there, he beat the boogeyman.

SPEAKER_07 22:32

Yeah, but they beat the boogeyman.

SPEAKER_01 22:33

They put him number two in the rankings.

SPEAKER_07 22:35

It was good to see, dude. Did you see the pure joy after he knocked him out in the fifth? And I gotta give it to Eddie Hearn, man. And listen, he's England, so he's biased. The beat, the UK fighter one. Yo, stop looking at your phone, man. We're live.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

You want me to stay on TikTok or what?

SPEAKER_07 22:48

Oh shit. Got him. Yo, look, look at Willie getting feisty. Yo, feisty Willie. I like it. Uh I thought you were looking at your bets. That's why I said that.

SPEAKER_01 22:57

My bets are really.

SPEAKER_07 23:00

Um, yeah. So did you see the joy though? Did you see Eddie Hearn too?

SPEAKER_01 23:04

Yeah, Eddie Hearn is amazing. He's amazing.

SPEAKER_07 23:07

He loves, he does love his UK part.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

Amazing uh promoter, man. But if you get on his bad side, bro.

SPEAKER_07 23:15

But then again, he comes back around. Like like Jarrell Miller and him are boys now. Yeah, yeah, like even Teo, I think. Like, so he comes back around.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Um, because he I think he's probably real, man. He's real. He seemed he's probably a real person. Like, we don't really know him.

SPEAKER_07 23:29

Like no, they all they all I mean who knows, but we're gonna get into that too. There's some other promoter drama. It's more that's some other promoter drama. But again, the the so the champions now in in 140, right? And and it might change, but we have Tiafimo Lopez, right? WBO, Richardson Hitchens, IBF, Gary Antoine Russell, WBA, and now WBC Dalton Smith. And how mad do you think the WBC is that a white boy has the fucking not a Latino has the WBC belt. Uh good for him, man. It was it was good to see the happiness, though. Like Eddie Hearn jumps in the ring, they're jumping up and down like little boys. Like yeah, it was a great five rounds. Good to see.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

Great stoppage, man.

SPEAKER_07 24:10

That's tough.

SPEAKER_01 24:10

That's that's even tough. Like, that's probably why they were so excited to stop him.

SPEAKER_07 24:16

That's such a resume bullet. Yeah, such a resume bullet. Uh yeah, man. Great stuff.

SPEAKER_01 24:21

Um, and then going forward, uh how you how do you think Dalton Smith would do against the rest of the 140 pounders, man?

SPEAKER_07 24:29

I mean, he he's clearly got power. Like, so he's got power, he has smarts. I I don't know. It's tough. I think I think Richardson Hitchens wants to fight him. I think that's a to unify. Yeah, I think that's that's nice. He's probably honestly Dalton is probably the weakest of the champions list, you know?

SPEAKER_00 24:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 24:48

But again, he's he's dangerous. In my opinion, he's the weakest, but he's very dangerous. I think the the new boogeyman of W of that division is Gary Antoine Russell. I think nobody wants it with him. I think he's the problem with the Russell's is though they they don't fight enough, but he he's he's tough. I I would like to see the winner, and I I know we're gonna get into it about Tiafimo and Shakur. I got chills, bro. Got chills. We're gonna get into it about Tio and Shakur. I got chills again, bro. Sorry, you see those chills? I got those fucking chills, man.

SPEAKER_01 25:20

That's gonna be crazy.

SPEAKER_07 25:21

Yeah. Uh Tia Fimo versus Shakur. Ah, I got chills again. I know you the listeners can't see, but I got chills. Shut up, I'm kidding. Um anybody meant talking to us on TikTok or no? Nothing? No love, no love. Uh so so I think he's he's gonna he's a real problem in that division, but uh you know I I want Tio, if he wins, to stay at 140. I think he's going to 147. He he that's like what he's saying, which I don't like. He's telling us that now before this fight. I want him to stay at 140 and unify. I want him to fight these because every fight at 140, champion-wise, every unification fight is a great fight. Dalton Smith versus Antoine Russell, great fight. Dalton Smith versus Tiafimo Lopez, great fight.

SPEAKER_01 26:10

I think he I think he should wait until somebody unified and then fight the whole thing for undisputed.

SPEAKER_07 26:15

Yeah, or that. But I I I really think he's gonna go to 147. I mean, if win or lose versus we'll uh scratch that. We'll get there when we get there. That's gonna be the next topic. You know, part of me said thinks we should have gone to Brooklyn for this card, though. We gotta make that our our actual if we don't record every weekend because we're lazy.

SPEAKER_00 26:34

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_07 26:35

We gotta start. We should have went to that fight. Every fight that's like in New York, we gotta go to, bro. I know it's pricey, but we gotta go. Maybe we'll just start working on press passes.

SPEAKER_00 26:45

Ew.

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SPEAKER_07 26:45

I could get them, I just don't want rules. Right? Ew, I like it. Yeah, ew. Once you we should start like a club or something, because once you experience it with us, like a fan, like tell me it's probably for me, and I can only speak for myself, like when we go to a live fight, even when there's drama, yeah, there's probably top five moment of my life, no matter what.

SPEAKER_04 27:06

Yeah, it's always fun. Like it's always fucking fun, bro. Like it's you can't explain a movie.

SPEAKER_07 27:12

Um speaking of movies, January 31st is gonna be a great nuts. It is gonna be wild. Tia Fima Lopez versus Shakor Stevenson in the main room, MSG, Madison Square Garden, the Mecca. The Mecca, home of the Knicks, home of the Rangers, home of, I guess it's kind of home of Tio. He fights there a lot.

SPEAKER_01 27:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 27:36

Maybe not the main room, but he fights there a lot.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

Well, he he what he got one loss there.

SPEAKER_07 27:41

Yeah, yeah, Kimbosis. I was there for that too, man.

SPEAKER_06 27:43

That was the main room.

SPEAKER_07 27:44

But we'll we'll get we'll get into that when we get on Tia Fimo versus Shakur. Let's get into the undercard. Do you want to talk about the undercard? Do you got anything else? What do you got going on? Anything? Um anything I miss? Help me.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

Do you want to start? Are we going to like miscellaneous stuff already?

SPEAKER_07 27:59

You want to do the drama first and then we'll do it? Yeah, let's get a little tipsy because we we had a you know, damn, this chair sucks, bro. I am for the listeners that can't see, um, it looks like I'm jumping. This chair fucking sucks. My ass is burning, my hemorrhoid is percolating. This is not a good chair.

SPEAKER_03 28:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 28:17

Oh. Yo, I like that sass you gave me. I need more of that.

SPEAKER_03 28:21

Huh?

SPEAKER_07 28:21

Before when I was like, yo, stop updating your phone. I thought you were looking at bets.

SPEAKER_03 28:24

He's usually looking at sass.

SPEAKER_07 28:25

He gave me sass, dude. I like that. He's like, oh, you want me to not real quick. Oh, that was leaving me hanging, bro.

SPEAKER_01 28:32

I don't like that word, bro.

SPEAKER_07 28:33

Sass? Oh no, not sassy. Like sass. You gave me sass. Like, oh, you want me to not look at the TikTok? He's like, yo, you want me to not look at like that was cool. Willie was like, these my streets, these my corners.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

Yo, he had a concert. I didn't go to the city. Max B Hempstead, right? Hemstead?

SPEAKER_07 28:51

Hempstead?

SPEAKER_04 28:52

Nah.

SPEAKER_07 28:52

He was in Hempstead recently too.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

He was?

SPEAKER_07 28:54

Yeah. Oh. I was about to pull up.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

It was a I think it was.

SPEAKER_07 28:57

I'll tell you, I'll tell you off air. He was in Hempstead too.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

He might have.

SPEAKER_07 29:01

I don't know. This ratchet club in Hempstead, though. It's Ratchet Club. It was a ratchet place, man. Um, but yeah, Max B. I'm a big Max B fan, thanks to Willie. Huge Max B guy. You see him on hot 97 too?

unknown 29:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

He's like, no, he's on 104. That was 105.

SPEAKER_07 29:21

Oh, my bad.

SPEAKER_01 29:22

He was on Breakfast Club.

SPEAKER_07 29:24

Yeah, yeah. Yo, speaking of the Breakfast Club, I hate when the Tio was on there too.

SPEAKER_01 29:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 29:28

I hate when they talk boxing.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

Yeah, you think so?

SPEAKER_07 29:31

Like, shut up.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

Like, shut the fuck up. Give him more fans, though.

SPEAKER_07 29:36

Nah, it's good, but like sometimes I'm like, yo, shut up. All right, let's get into the drama. Let's talk about the drama. Let me scroll down. We got a little drama section. So it wouldn't be boxing without drama. We had some great, like it there's like a lapse right now, right? It's all these boxing fights and January 31st. That's how big this fight is. But like these little boxing fights, like the Serrano card, yeah. Heavy female card, good. The Brooklyn Matias card, although promoted horribly, great fight in the main event. And the it was an exciting undercard. And then it wouldn't be boxing, right? It wouldn't be boxing. If if there wasn't like drama that you don't have in any other sport, right? It would not be boxing if you didn't have drama in any of the sport. And as of the past few years, the main the main culprit of that drama, the main face, not the face of boxing, the main face of that drama is who? Who is it?

SPEAKER_01 30:33

Want me to answer it? It's it unfortunately it is tank Davis.

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SPEAKER_07 30:38

Jervante Tank Davis. Listen. Oh my god. This guy can just he's not even doing nothing and can't get out of his own way. I'm gonna be honest. Uh I said in the last recording we did look of the new year. I was like, you know, there's no there's no criminal charges. Why are they canceling this fight? Well, I was wrong, apparently, because apparently there is criminal charges. I think it was Miami or somewhere in Florida, put a warrant out for his arrest because there is video. There's video of him doing exactly what and again, he's also on video prior. Remember? This is what I mean. Yeah, and again and again and again.

SPEAKER_01 31:16

I gotta clip this. Hey, we're gonna clip this part. All my fighters, not no fighters, just men and women. Because it's uh we already know uh women or women dating domestic violence just goes up. Oh, yeah. It's crazy. Oh yeah, but listen, y'all, y'all, y'all gotta leave the fucking women alone. Please stop. Y'all cannot control a woman. You cannot control women, you cannot control women. Don't try to control them. You shouldn't try to control, you should go where you appreciate it and tolerate it and like I don't get it.

SPEAKER_04 31:54

Like, is he that? Like he can get a lot of girls.

SPEAKER_01 31:56

Is he like a lover? That's what I'm trying to tell him right now. He look, yo, Ray says if you have if you have a baby by a woman, is she you're trying to keep her to stay? Because most men want family. Like, they want a family and they want their family to stick together. Most of them, yes. So most men want a family and they want to stick together, right? If she don't want if she's using your child as a pawn, make a new family. Yo, just go find a new a new girl. Don't try to control her, trying to drag her out of damn putting your hands on women's Valentine Valentine's Day is next month, man. Please stop. Y'all be throwing away your whole careers and regular men just lose it all over a woman. Like, stop doing it.

SPEAKER_07 32:44

Tank, man.

SPEAKER_01 32:45

Even girls, like y'all gotta stop being on each other. Like just stop risking your life, bro, for for over your whole career. You work so hard out the gutter, and you you're over here losing your whole career over a woman. Please. This is like y'all gonna have to clip this. This is going this is going viral. Stop. You can't control a woman, you can't outpetty a woman either. So don't even don't even like this is uh uh uh this is crazy, bro.

SPEAKER_07 33:13

My friend Ray says he be tanking, no pun intended, like bro. And then and then he goes, it's all about being the cat daddy. Yo, again, yo, good, good, you're right, Willie. But some for some reason, man, I I know he's got like a team around him that tries to help. Like, I don't and he doesn't drink anymore, I don't think. Like he doesn't, he's not partying. Like, he's just fucking crazy.

SPEAKER_01 33:32

Oh, that's another thing. That whole group, something's wrong with that whole group. That whole group, they was all hanging out. Who's in the group? Uh Charlo Brothers and uh Earl Spence, they all and A B, all of them niggas just went crazy. Like, it's just they they they career just I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 33:53

Poison, alcohol poisoning and all that poison. We're looking for sponsors though.

SPEAKER_01 33:57

So man, I drink the poison like the most talented uh fighters that we have would just be throwing away Deontay Wilder with the girl.

SPEAKER_07 34:07

Like sh well, that was his I think he he was banging his brother's girl or something.

SPEAKER_01 34:11

No, but the girl, I'm talking about the girl that um he put on her will on his bowl. Oh, yeah, he came out and said that like yo, y'all just bro.

SPEAKER_07 34:19

Ray says therapist. Yeah, yeah, bro. We need I'm sure he's got it. Like Javante, what no, it's not his name, Abdul, whatever. Wahid. Uh he's got all right.

SPEAKER_04 34:28

You're joking now.

SPEAKER_07 34:29

Nah, listen serious, bro. Yeah. I hate to see it too. I hate to see it too.

SPEAKER_01 34:34

Look at look at all like what's and it's it's no denying now as a fan. You yeah, you're cooked.

SPEAKER_07 34:39

So this is like this is like Tank's big like I got you have what tank shirts, tank hoodies. It's like me and Teo, him and Tank. Tio even said it like, are you guys gonna be friends if I fight Tank? You know whatever. Like, so this is like it's gotta hurt, you're hurting your fans. Forget about everybody else, your family, whatever. You're hurting your fan base, bro.

SPEAKER_01 34:55

Like a lot of our fan, a lot of his fans be delusional, like this is uh this is on you, you can't deny this one now. They got video if well we didn't they need to drop the video. Yeah, but I'm sure they but they they don't put a warrant out. Yeah, yeah. If the feds is involved and they raided and shit.

SPEAKER_07 35:12

That was the feds they said nah nah, but oh like that was like a publicity stunt a little bit, but again, he he knew they they were trying to contact him.

SPEAKER_01 35:19

If he's on a run, that shit is crazy. He like like I got cousins that went on a run. Them niggas didn't make it that far. Before you before you this nigga's a known box, he's an a aimless celebrity. You think he's gonna be caught?

SPEAKER_07 35:32

Bro, there's so much shit with him, though. So I'm not I've talked about it before, but way back when, when he was fighting in Brooklyn, right? Uh someone I know who knows someone who knows someone said that someone came in to to make a report, like a police report, right?

SPEAKER_03 35:46

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_07 35:46

And I remember this. And you know what? The only reason this person came in to do the report and knew who it was because he was on these posters or whatever, and the dude said he said that tank punched him in a parking lot and knocked his ass out. And he was long story short, he wasn't making it up, but the charges got dropped or whatever. So, like, dude, what are you doing? Yeah, and I was in Brooklyn. What are you doing? Um, I don't know. It's gotta be tough. I feel for you. I feel so so, but like it's you know what's funny about like you being such a tank fan and me being such a TO fan. Like, there's so many times where we're like, like as fans, just oh man, like what am I gonna say? Yeah, oh yeah. Like, what the fuck am I gonna say?

SPEAKER_01 36:29

Uh so which way hey, I'm gonna ask y'all out there, which one y'all rather be a woman beater or a racist?

SPEAKER_07 36:35

Shut up. He knows yo, he he a TO fan too. You know Tio not a racist, he just says stupid ass racist shit.

SPEAKER_01 36:41

No, that shit not.

SPEAKER_07 36:42

There is a difference though. You like there's a difference between being an actual racist and saying like dumb shit. Yeah, you know what I mean? So again, and I don't I'm not I'm not saying what Tio's when he does all that says is is is the right choice.

SPEAKER_01 36:55

But nah, I think Tio was just trying any way to make a fight and it didn't work.

SPEAKER_07 37:01

Backfired. Yeah, sorta. He got he got the biggest fight coming. But again, good for Tank, good news for Tank Davis. Uh Javonta Davis is how's that good news?

SPEAKER_01 37:10

No, no, I got good news. I got good news.

SPEAKER_07 37:12

He's not the only one involved in boxing drama because in boxing there is always fucking drama, it does not stop. It is the only sport, like you know how they say like if Michael Jordan played ball in this era, he'd be screwed because he was such like uh basically like like a gambling drinking machine, like kind of like an a-hole, they say. Uh in boxing, it's like it appears to be the only sport where like we see all these sides of people, and and it's true. So, did did you see the video that went out with with the Vargas brothers recently?

SPEAKER_01 37:44

Oh, them fighting.

SPEAKER_07 37:45

The whole family is broken up. Trouble in paradise in in like one of the one of the shanty Vegas casinos. Right.

SPEAKER_01 37:52

Why what was the reason though? I don't know. I don't know. No one knows the reason. I see the video, they over there wrestling. Dude, that shit not throwing hands, though.

SPEAKER_07 37:59

That shit went so viral though, because I noticed it on like one of the the X X accounts or Twitter accounts. X, one of those accounts, it was just was just a random like fight account where like they show street fights, they're like, yo, three random cholos fighting. I'm like, yo, that's the fucking Vargas brothers.

SPEAKER_01 38:16

The person that dropped the video, they even know they didn't know.

SPEAKER_07 38:19

They're like, look at these three idiots fighting. Like someone wrote, and then the comments were funny. Like, oh, look at these three fuck boys. No, the dad apparently was throwing punches, too.

SPEAKER_01 38:28

What?

SPEAKER_07 38:29

Who? One of the sons, uh trouble in paradise over there, man.

SPEAKER_01 38:33

After all that shit, they got everything going, they got a lot of momentum going. But again, no, but they was beefing with what's gonna call it the uh the YouTuber turned boxer. Fuck. Or boxer. Which one's a YouTuber?

SPEAKER_07 38:44

I think every YouTuber turns boxer.

SPEAKER_01 38:46

We've seen him at the he beat with TO a lot.

SPEAKER_07 38:51

Uh oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Um little guy. Uh yeah, I know you're talking about. Uh we took a picture with him. I forget his name.

SPEAKER_01 39:00

You re just forgot his name.

SPEAKER_07 39:02

Whatever. But yeah. Dean uh Dean the Great.

SPEAKER_01 39:05

Dean the Great.

SPEAKER_07 39:06

Yeah, see, I know, I know my shit. Shit. Yeah. Yeah. He used my streets. He's I know my shit.

SPEAKER_01 39:12

Yeah, Dean the Great. Yeah, that's crazy. They was beefing all that whole time.

SPEAKER_07 39:17

Dean got his ass kicked up.

SPEAKER_01 39:18

Yeah. What? That was crazy. Yeah.

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SPEAKER_07 39:21

Um, but yeah, so there's that drama, and then we got some other drama going on. Uh well, I guess it's not really drama. Uh, it is drama. Uh Will says Dean the Great. Yeah, we got it, Will. I love Will, bro. Will. Will. Um, I know it's a little delayed on Instagram, but uh let me know. You you're you're going to the fight, right? If you need tickets, I can send you a price list. Um, I got a guy. But uh, we're on the floor, Will. Hit me up, DM me. Uh we want to meet up before too.

SPEAKER_01 39:50

So Oh yeah, we're going to the muffin uh we're going to our rival podcast party. Rival.

SPEAKER_07 39:56

Uh insider boxing. We're going to their party, fight party before the fight. Um but stay tuned uh because I might do something stupid or crazy and figure out a way to get in the way and there's no news on where the way-in is yet. I'm assuming it's gonna be an MSG. Um but I want to do I want to do like like I took off work already Friday and Saturday or booked. Will says he's in there. Will are you going to that party as well? Uh let me know. So yeah, I'm excited. Whatever. What was I saying? Oh, the drama. He said I can't afford them floor prices. Yeah, bro. Will I I can't either, but yo, if you I took a I'm gonna tell you right now because like people people look at me and how we live, right? And they're like, wow, this guy's got money. This guy's got money. I got people asking me for money in my DMs that I don't even fucking know. Uh I don't have money. I am broke, I just don't give a fuck. I am flat broke, I have three maxed credit cards, I just don't give a fuck. And it's causing a strain on my relationship. So, Tio, you better win this fight because it is causing a very big strain on my relationship.

SPEAKER_01 41:00

Is it really?

SPEAKER_07 41:01

Uh yeah, yeah, a little bit, a little bit. Uh Will says I was gonna pre-party at Diamante's. Um hit me up though. Yeah, that that that sounds good too. We might post party there like the last time, but I won't be vulgar. Uh, but we'll see. I'm actually gonna try and I'm so excited for this card, I'm gonna control my drinking because I I wanna like literally, I'm so nervous, and I know when I get nervous, I start chugging. So I'm gonna really that's your job, actually, Willie. Congrats. What control, like you know, slow me down. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 41:32

I'm not trying to be vanishing. I got back with come back with like two, three drinks. I'm like, how the fuck you carry one with your foot? Like Willie's like, what the fuck? You got six drinks? I'd say I'd be like, yo, I don't want to drink. Oh, drink this. Bye bye, y'all, bro. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_07 41:49

Come on. Um, yeah, it's gonna be a good night. Good week, good Friday and Saturday. So Friday and Saturday, if you want to party with us. Are you coming Friday, actually?

SPEAKER_01 41:58

Oh, uh, maybe.

SPEAKER_07 41:59

All right. I'm definitely in the city Friday. Also, if you see us and you are listening and you do see us, uh, I don't think anyone's really listening, but our regulars, but if you do see us, we're handing out shirts. I got a bunch of shirts we're handing out for free.

SPEAKER_01 42:14

Friday or Saturday?

SPEAKER_07 42:14

Uh either or we'll figure that out. But either way, if you see us, probably Friday, I want to, because Saturday I just want to chill. But but uh yeah, I got a bunch of free shirts. Tune in to the Instagram. I got the giveaway, TFI Melopez, certified autographed 2022 photo of his last major fight when he chin-checked Lomachenko. Not chin-checked, but one. Um, and we'll get into that. But back to the drama. Sorry, I'm rambling now. I'm a little sidetracked. ADD is kicking in, and so is the tequila. Ryan Garcia. Ryan Garcia.

SPEAKER_01 42:48

Oh, he gets a fight, huh?

SPEAKER_07 42:49

Mario Barrios. Coming off a loss. And everyone's talking about it. Like, why is this guy? And this is the problem with boxing, and this is why people don't watch boxing. Like, regular people don't watch boxing, not the nerds. Ryan Garcia is coming off a loss, coming off a positive test and a loss. A big upset of the year. Roley Romero knocked his ass out or knocked his ass down, whatever. Won clearly in a huge fight, bringing all the eyes. His next fight, coming off a suspension, whatever, whatever, whatever, blah, blah, blah. His very next fight, he gets a real title shot first. Mario Barrios.

SPEAKER_01 43:27

He's blessed.

SPEAKER_07 43:28

That shit is he is highly favored.

SPEAKER_01 43:31

He's highly favored. Blessed favored.

SPEAKER_07 43:34

That shit is not right. And and again, I I actually like Ryan Garcia. I he's exciting. He he has that crazy hook. I was a fan of his. Now, because of this, uh, and I'm not mad at him for taking the fight, of course. I'm going, I'm rooting for Mario Barrios. Probably the first time ever. Actually, no, I was rooting for him first Pacquiao, too. Get his old ass out of here. He didn't. I'm rooting for Mario Barrios. Now, do I think that's gonna happen? No, I'm betting the knockout, but I'm rooting for I'm rooting for Mario Barrios because it's such bullshit.

SPEAKER_01 44:03

So you bet a knockout on uh Ryan.

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SPEAKER_07 44:06

Yeah, and I think I think it's in writing, it's it's like known because uh Barrios is just getting payday after payday. This is a huge payday. Ryan Garcia, before Jake Paul was in boxing, was the guy to sell tickets, the guy to get on social media. We forget, and this is gonna be a big fight again. He does sell, he knows how to fucking market in the social media world.

SPEAKER_01 44:26

And that left hook is gonna be there for him to take hit.

SPEAKER_07 44:29

Yeah, and Barrios is a little chill.

SPEAKER_01 44:31

Yeah, he gets hit.

SPEAKER_07 44:33

So if if that's the drama, though. Oh, oh, oh, no, no, no. There's more drama.

SPEAKER_01 44:39

If Watchman called it, um what's his name? Manny Pacquiao could fucking counter him and do that. Oh no. I know. Barrios is uh the only thing I will say that speed, that hand speed of Ryan is gonna tear his ass up.

SPEAKER_07 44:53

Yep, I agree. But Barrios is like he's smart enough and and and good enough, and he has been more active, so that matters. So we will see. I don't know. I don't care really. I'm just uh more annoyed at boxing. Like, why does Ryan Garcia? Oh, I know why. Because it's the WBC.

SPEAKER_01 45:11

Oh, yeah. Oh, look at that. Look at that.

SPEAKER_07 45:13

Oh Latino, WBC with that Latino heat. Tell me, bro. Everyone wants to talk like in today's generation, in today's world, we all want to talk about race and oh, this guy's racist. You can't say anything, everybody's fucking sensitive, whatever, whatever, whatever. Yeah, the WBC is so pro-Latino, it is fucking insane. It is insane, dude. They tried to they tried to fucking bivel. They said bivel can't fight because he was born in Russia when when Russia-Ukraine shit happened. Oh, yeah. Or whatever. Like, it's fucking like like look what they do with the with the Latino fighters. Like, like, why is Ryan Garcia getting a belt shot? If if someone could give me a valid reason to why Ryan Garcia is getting a belt shot after what I just described, nothing against Ryan Garcia.

SPEAKER_01 45:59

That fight against Haney.

SPEAKER_07 46:01

But you can't money, you can say money, money talks, but like fairness? But shit. Tell me the WBC isn't greedy. They're making Terrence Crawford look like he should run for president.

SPEAKER_01 46:11

But the all all the boxing sanctions is bugging out right now at this point.

SPEAKER_07 46:16

What is the point of having a sanctioning body if you're not gonna sanction? Think about that. I'm gonna repeat that. I'm gonna say that.

SPEAKER_01 46:23

Where is he at? Um Ryan and the um rankings?

SPEAKER_07 46:26

Yeah, the ranking. He's up there, but like you you're just coming off a loss and you're getting a title shot. You're not even fighting like an a nobody. Like, come on.

SPEAKER_01 46:35

They only they only care about money and race. Come on. Seriously.

SPEAKER_07 46:40

At this point, and then our boy Virgil Ortiz Jr. speaking. He was in some hot drama. But yeah, I'm gonna actually I have a little uh I'm gonna text um one of our friends real quick because I'm gonna see if he wants to pop on the show.

SPEAKER_01 46:56

Uh he know about this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um that's uh yeah, this is weird, man. What the hell is going on? You know, uh you see Asuka on online.

Teo vs Shakur Floor Tickets Secured

SPEAKER_07 47:09

Will says Mario Barrios fucking sucks. Yay, Will, you're right. He does fucking suck, but like Ryan Garcia isn't that great either. Like, non-juiced up Ryan Garcia is not that great either. And why is he getting why is he getting a title shot? I don't know. Understand. I don't get it. Um yeah, that's really it. But that's the drama section. I was gonna end with that, but it was good to get into it.

SPEAKER_01 47:34

What about uh um they pretty much locking the Haney out?

SPEAKER_07 47:38

Of what? He's 147.

SPEAKER_01 47:40

Yeah, but he's not getting no fights. He couldn't he couldn't fight nobody else for a belt. Right now at 147? Yeah, he wanted he wanted um They know what they're doing.

SPEAKER_07 47:49

You know why they're locking him out?

SPEAKER_01 47:51

Why?

SPEAKER_07 47:51

Shakur or Teo? That's monster. Richardson Hitchens, that's monster. They're following him.

SPEAKER_01 47:58

But they're at 147.

SPEAKER_07 47:59

They're at one, yeah, but they're at 140, but they're Teo is moving up, bro.

SPEAKER_01 48:03

And again, he's trying to get fights with everybody, like Roley, all of them. Roley's not fighting nobody. Roley got a fight coming up. Roley, but Roley wasn't trying to fight Devin.

SPEAKER_07 48:16

Uh I mean, Devin kills Roley, bro. Kendrick says Ryan Garcia is gonna get beat up and lose by decision. I hope so, Kendrick, because um Will says, what happened with Amanda's manager, Jordan? So if you're watching, if you were watching the Subrial card, right, there is mad commotion going on in the front rows of the crowd, which is usually rare. It's usually the back rows, unless I'm at the fights. But there's mad commotion going on in like the front rows, right? And like they didn't that they didn't talk about it, they didn't say anything, but you see everybody's heads not watching the fight and looking in the background, like, what is going on? What is going on? Um, it it turns out Amanda's manager was just getting busy with some people. Uh, a few friends of mine sent me some videos, I'm not gonna name names that were sitting in that area. And uh yeah, and and you know, he talks a lot, he's always talking. A lot of people say he's a he's a bully. Um so yeah, that's damn that's that that's what happened. It was just a little scruffle, nothing crazy, you know. Security broke it up, but you can never fight at MSG or any of these events because they kick you out forever, bro.

SPEAKER_01 49:25

You saw a little TJ.

SPEAKER_07 49:27

Cha Cheeto says, Where the butt at? Man, we don't smoke, but I would if I could, honestly. Oh, we're getting some some action here. Jack M. Ricardi says, met you at the Mikey Algeri fight. Saw a dude in public wearing your hoodie too. What's good, bro? What up, Jack? Yo, DM me. I'll send you a fucking uh shirt. Not a hoodie. I'm running out of hoodies, but I'll send you a shirt, bro.

SPEAKER_02 49:48

Hit me up.

SPEAKER_07 49:50

Um, yeah, but Will, that's what happened. The Amanda uh Jordan, you know, Jordan's very mouthy, he's very defensive. Um, he protects Amanda. So, yeah, there was a there was a scuffle there with that. Send them videos. I'll show you in person. I'm not gonna send them though, because you know, uh, I gotta I gotta have some credibility. I'm dead. Just kidding. I'll send you the videos, Will. Nah, I'm just joking. You want to send little videos? We'll see, we'll see. Um, yeah, what else you got? Well, you you wanna so we gotta we got a preview coming up. Oh no, I got I gotta talk about Virgil Ortiz, and then I'm gonna take a quick little break, take a shot, and stand up because again, this chair is fucking hurting my ass. Yo, that is my new my new goal. I want to get those, yo, look, see those? I want to get those here because we'll just ramble and drink for hours.

SPEAKER_01 50:38

Yeah, but what the fuck? We're gonna be looking mad awkward.

SPEAKER_07 50:42

So like we don't look awkward, like we don't look awkward already. Again, for my New York listeners, if you made it this far, check out Empire Nutrition, use code SPAR, S P A R. I'll the SPAR in. S P A R for 10% off your orders. Get in shape. It's still January. You're still fat. Get in shape.

SPEAKER_01 51:03

Yo, Jack, what up, man? He made it over here to TikTok. That's what's up, man. Like the like tap the screen, Jackie said, I like TikTok meta, man. What up?

Boxing Drama Segment Kicks Off

SPEAKER_07 51:11

Well, the TikTok is new. We gotta we gotta get to a thousand followers on TikTok to um to actually like make it see who we interview and stuff. But but I'm not gonna lie, bro, Willie. Uh a little, I'm gonna get a little sedimental before I hit the last thing of drama. Again, I told you it's gonna be a long show, and it already is. We're already almost an hour in, but someone said something to me the other day who's not a boxing fan, right? Yeah, they were just like, yo, like it's cool to see how far your podcast came. So like I went in a deep dive in my phone to delete photos and shit, and I was like, damn, dude, we look kind of like legit. Okay, like seriously, I'm like, damn, like for you know, for me and you, like we ain't shit, but like I'm like, damn, bro. Like we look, and then I'm looking at like who we interview, right? Yeah, and I'm like, yo, what the fuck? Like crazy, like we get recognized, bro. Like, that's crazy, right? That's crazy. That's fucking crazy. Um, again, I'm I'm big on giving out free merch and stuff. So if you want free merch, just DM me, man. I'm I'm probably the the biggest idiot when it comes to that again. Like I said, I max out credit cards, I don't give a fuck. So yeah, that's it. Sorry, all right. Enough of the sedimental stuff. Um, but speaking of sedimental stuff, actually, some trouble in paradise. Virgil Ortiz Jr. Osaka O'Neill says, Shout out, boys. Shout out, Osaka. DM me too, man. Fuck it. You want a shirt? I'll send you a shirt. Um, Virgil Ortiz Jr., one of our Willie and I's favorite fighters. One of our our I love when we have like a favorite fighter in common. Virgil Ortiz Jr. Sues his promoter. Yeah. Sues his promoter. Oscar de la joya for breach of contract. Details are ugly. Uh, something to do with money. From what I heard, and I could be wrong, I don't know the exact like parameters of it, and I'm bad with anything involving contracts.

SPEAKER_03 53:10

Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_07 53:10

But from what I hear is that he really wants the Nis fight, and Oscar's kind of selling him out of it, like putting too much money. And yeah, but who knows? That's just rumorville. It's just sad to see. But I will say this if if whatever happens happens, and he gets out of that contract, right? Because it's gonna take some time, it's gonna go through court, and Oscar's a motherfucker. He's gonna be like, no, I'm gonna I'm gonna leave this going for as long as I can. Yeah, hopefully that doesn't happen. But it in my damn Virgil Ortiz Jr., man, he's gonna be a hot, hot, hot item for promoters.

SPEAKER_01 53:45

Yeah, he's gonna be. That's like Aaron Judge. But when I was listening to Oscar, right? Yeah, 60 40 is not that bad.

SPEAKER_07 53:54

Who's 60 though?

SPEAKER_01 53:55

It's gonna be Ortiz who's 60.

SPEAKER_07 53:57

60, and then and then, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:59

Yeah, so what's the issue with that one? I don't I don't I think that's perfect.

SPEAKER_07 54:03

Well, then but it all goes by like your gate and what you sell and who's buying, right? Like, so so cool.

SPEAKER_01 54:10

And and then this is no he's the champ. We're talking about he actually fought people, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 54:16

But but and this is a champ too, man.

SPEAKER_01 54:18

What champ of what?

SPEAKER_07 54:19

Well, he moved up to 154, right? So so not at 154 yet. Yeah, but at 147 he he beat Stan Yonis. You can I again, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:27

That don't have to do with the I know, I know. He's a real champ.

SPEAKER_07 54:32

I just want that fight to happen, man. 20 yeah, but 2026 is a bust if that fight doesn't happen.

SPEAKER_01 54:37

What's wrong with 6040, though? Like, I don't know if Ox is really trying to get you 160-40, 6040. What's the issue with that? Yeah, that's a great that's you the you the champ. You for a better competition. I think you should definitely get the 6040. I think that's a great deal. I've been playing undisputed. I've been trying to get my I've been trying to get my that's one thing. My percentage up. That's that's one thing that's 6040 is not bad, bro.

SPEAKER_04 55:06

Oh shit, my phone.

SPEAKER_01 55:07

Boots should take that fight if he wanna prove a point. Like, yo, take that 60-40.

SPEAKER_07 55:11

Boots? I don't know, man. They're both big, big, they're both like they might both think they're bigger than they are. They're but in boxing, they're both big names. Very big names.

SPEAKER_01 55:20

Nah, boots is a big name. I'm just saying, no. Yo, people got you gotta take the the like less to make more. Like, come on, come on, man. Just give us the fight, bro. You think I don't I don't think so. I don't see nothing wrong with Oscar doing that, bro. If that's the case. I don't know what the case is.

SPEAKER_07 55:40

I don't know. Well, who knows what's going really on behind the scenes, but when once you sue and you get court involved, and an Ortiz isn't dumb. He's he's a very, very cool as hell.

SPEAKER_01 55:50

I love it.

SPEAKER_07 55:51

I love Ortiz because he's a gangster in the ring. Um and then he he's in uh he's in uh um Osaka Osaka O'Neill says Oscar fucking up the bag. Why all his fighters end up beefing with him and wanting out? Honestly, I'll tell you why. Because when fighters, when fighters of Oscar's magnitude and prowess, right? Like in his resume, the Hall of Famer champion, uh, pound for pound, all time, like he's on all time lists, you know what I mean? So when when you're like that and then you become a promoter, it's very hard to put that jealousy and envy aside. Very, very hard. You could say all you want that you're not, blah, blah, blah. But it's very, very hard. And when you get abs, when you get surgical abs, that's the type of person he is, and nothing against that shit. If I could afford it, I would get surgical abs too. But but that's just the type of person he is. You have a certain envy, and you don't like certain things fighters say to you. You think you know more than you do, and at the end of the day, you're just a fighter. Very he's doing very well.

SPEAKER_01 56:54

He has the whole Latin community on lock, but again, I mean, he's he's low-key cooking himself. This is not the time for Tirgil's big people that there's people like Turkey Lionel Sheik, he's over there getting people paid. Could we talk about top rank real quick though?

SPEAKER_06 57:11

Now that we're on a promote, what tell me, where are they?

SPEAKER_01 57:15

I don't know, they cooked.

SPEAKER_07 57:16

They're done, dude.

SPEAKER_01 57:18

They're done.

SPEAKER_07 57:19

Like, where are they? Where the fuck is top rank? Does anybody know does anybody out there know where top rank is?

SPEAKER_01 57:25

Well, who are you top rank? Yo, seriously. Boxing like boxing without top rank is crazy.

SPEAKER_07 57:36

Where they're posting shit on social. Also, happy birthday, Jahi Tucker.

SPEAKER_01 57:40

Speaking of it. Yeah, happy birthday, Jahi Tucker and me. It's your birthday. My birthday is right. Yeah, my birthday is last. We didn't have a show on my birthday. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 57:49

Sorry. Happy birthday to Willie. Is that better?

unknown 57:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 57:55

All right. Um, yeah, that that's it for the drama section of this show. Again, this is a long ass show. If you're with us, thank you. Please DM me if you want free shirts, merch, whatever. Fucking, I'll give you everything but free tickets because I can't afford that. Um tap in, tap the screen, tap in. We're doing a giveaway. I'm more active on Instagram at the Spar In. The Tia Fimo Lopez autograph will be picked soon, very shortly before the fight. And yeah, tap in. There's rules on there of how to enter, very easy, the same fucking Instagram shit. But all right, let's get into it. We have a actually hold on, we're gonna take like an intermission. You know what I mean? I don't want to lose who's listening, so I gotta stand up though, because because this next one's gonna be long. Because we have the card of the year in the first month of the year on the last day of the first month of the year. We gotta talk about it, Willie. We gotta get into it. Um, I know you you don't want to. I had to go pick Willie up. He tried to get out of coming here today.

SPEAKER_01 58:53

Yo, I had to go pick up no one outside in New York.

SPEAKER_07 58:56

That's my loyalty, though, dude.

SPEAKER_01 58:58

I know, right? Willie, you got I don't got all wheel drive.

SPEAKER_07 59:01

Yo, you heard it in his voice. He didn't want to come. I'm like, I'll come pick you up. He's like, like a deflated balloon, bro.

Tank Davis Legal Troubles And Lessons

SPEAKER_06 59:08

Like, I'm like, you sure? He's like, Yeah, you don't gotta do that.

SPEAKER_07 59:11

I'm on my way. So, yeah, we're gonna stand up, we're gonna stretch, we're gonna rip a shot, and then we're gonna come back and we are gonna talk about the best card of the year in the first month of the year. While I'm doing that, I'm gonna text some of our friends, our fight friends, see if they want to pop in. Um, probably not. No, who we we ain't shit. We just some fight fans. Uh so yeah, stay stay in, tap the screen, tap, tap, tap.

SPEAKER_01 59:39

Yo, Jack, I got a uh a UFC guy, but you know, that's up to Puma to bring him on.

SPEAKER_07 59:43

Who bring him up to you? We'll interview anybody. I don't give a fuck.

SPEAKER_01 59:46

No, he's no, he's a UFC uh like a fan. Oh yeah, he loved boxing too, though. He's crazy.

SPEAKER_07 59:54

Willie, you know, whoever you want, you know. It's just the hardest part. Yo, I'm gonna be honest, like, we should be. Doing more interviews. I have some things lined up, but like the hardest part is we're working men. We have jobs.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:06

Yes, he I work with him. Yeah, I gave him the uh the other TO hat. He's a fiend, bro. He knows a lot about boxing.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:13

Yeah, so what the fuck?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:14

A lot about UFC though, too. Yeah, whatever. We love UFC.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:16

I actually I actually just spoke with Algermaine Sterling, so ex UFC champ, trying to get him on. But it's just tough. It's tough. And I'd rather do in studio. We just don't have a studio. This is my house, believe it or not. I thought you wasn't gonna tell nobody at I don't give a fuck. But that's why. Like I can't have people in my so like so yo, uh Amanda, Amanda Zaran Serrano was um was gonna do an interview, and she's like, All right, I'll pop in. I'm in New York, and I'm like, I can't have Amanda Serrano in my basement.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:44

That'd be crazy.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:45

Like walk past my wife, hey, and not nothing like obviously it's just weird, it's awkward. But yeah, that's that. Um Osaka O'Neill says, Let's do it. I was gonna ask about what y'all boys think about Jai joining Zoofa. Yeah, we'll get into the Zoofa boxing because a good friend of mine, Calem Walsh, is like the head of that. He's he's the star. Yeah, so we'll get into that. But yo, stay stay tuned, stay in. When are you gonna come on the podcast? I know, I've been trying, just he's getting too famous. And he probably thinks I'm a weirdo because he saw me blacked out drunk. But um, just stay in. I I gotta stand up and stretch because the next one we're gonna go off, man. We're we are gonna we are gonna chop up, we are gonna preview, we are gonna go crazy with the card of the year in the first month of the year. We're gonna start from the bottom up, the bottom big names up. I don't know who the the the main undercard is, but or the the prelim undercard is. I just gotta stand up and stretch because of that. If you are on the radio listening, stay in. Again, you you could watch us, uh, you're gonna watch us rip shots. You're probably gonna watch me gag a little bit. No mo. No mo. Can't say the HO, so I say mo, no mo.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:49

But you can't say the H O.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:51

No, but uh yes, stay tuned. I just gotta stretch out because we're our hour in. What? This is ugly. Who?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:58

YouTube.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:59

What?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:01

The little screen on YouTube, I know it's ugly. Don't worry. When I when I when I record this and when I edit it, the screen's bigger when I when I post it out. This is just the live. It's only also too. I forgot to say that in the beginning. My bad. The screen is small on YouTube because if you look at it on your phone, it's not small. So look at it on your mobile device, which most people do. It's not small. But if you are watching on TV or on your computer, the screen is small on YouTube. Only in the live, the actual recorded video will be bigger. I I put that on there. Again, I'm gonna stretch out. Powered by Empire Nutrition. That's how I stay healthy. If you notice we do drink, I drink more than many. Um, but yeah, that that is what it is. I'm gonna fix myself another drink and stretch out because my hemorrhoid is percolating, not to gross you out. Hemorrhoid? Uh a little two-minute break. Two minute, nah, not even. We'll do a one-minute break. But stay tuned. You want a shot, Willie?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:49

Hmm?

SPEAKER_07 1:02:50

You want to take a shot?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:51

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:52

Nah. Alright. Such a good guy. I'm gonna take a shot. Talk though, if you want.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:00

Oh, that was long. There's no comments. Oh, I can't even see that. I gotta go on YouTube. That's YouTube? What chat is that?

SPEAKER_09 1:03:15

If you look to the left.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:16

That's Instagram or YouTube.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:18

Uh that's YouTube.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:19

That's no damn YouTube chat. I'm on here. Dude. Yeah, my boy, yo. I gotta clip that part though.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:35

I think if you say clip, it clips.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:37

You think so?

SPEAKER_09 1:03:38

Yeah. I'll find it though. I'll edit that for you.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:42

Yes. My boy Javante Tank is cooked, boy.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:46

Yo, stand up and stretch, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:48

Yo, my legs is hurting. I have to move. It's not gonna even look like I'm standing up.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:56

Yo, keep tapping that screen, click, click, click, click, click, whatever the fuck you do.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:04

You don't want shopper?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:05

Nah.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:06

Not even dry. You want a white cloth? Nah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:10

I still gotta go to sleep and wake up.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:12

This one won't be as long.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:14

Rank six.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:16

I can't wait, bro. Look, look, look, look, look. I'm gonna add to that collection. Oh.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:27

I don't think there was some magazines, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:29

I don't care, bro.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:31

I just hope I stay over.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:39

Alright, Willie, you don't want to do one with me. I'm gonna do it my damn street.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:44

This guy is crazy with this shot. I know. My knees, my knees are feeling kind of better though. No, I no. No, it's my um I got a massager. Like a massage up a TikTok tab. That shit fucking hits.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:08

I ain't gonna lie. I've been icing my Achilles, bro. They kind of like whoo. That shot hit.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:15

That shit hit. That shot be hitting. What's this guy doing? Shadow boxing.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:22

Let's get it. All right. Part two, part two.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:25

Part two, part two. Part two.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:31

Uh what up, what up, what up? We are back. All right. I'm good. I'm good. I'm loose. I'm loose. I am loose. Before we even go, yo, before we even go, I just want to shout out uh my friend over at Sportbox TV official, bro. Why no? Or they do get they do actually get fight posters created for for like big promotions. You can't really see it because of the lighting. But bro, they they hooked me up with this fucking fight poster. TFE MO vs Shakor, MSG. Look at this, Willie.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:59

Man, this is beautiful.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:00

That shit is fire, bro. They also have a Bruce Carrington one. I'm trying to get, I want to get that shit signed by our boy Shushu.

unknown 1:06:08

Try to get that one signed.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:10

Um, all right, again, part two of the show. This is the preview of man, I'm gonna get the chills again. Nah, just kidding. But this is the preview. This is the preview of Tiafimo versus Shakur. It is for the Ring magazine belt. It is at MSG, the main room in MSG, and we are gonna preview the undercard, a little bit of a deep dive. It's gonna be a little uh long show if you made it this far again. We took our our a break real quick, but damn, before we even get into it, we in the building, baby.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:44

We are in the building. We are in the building.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:47

Movie viral.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:49

This is about to be crazy.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:50

What was the first fight you ever went to meet with, Willie?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:52

The first one, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:55

Damn, that's a good one. I don't know. Really? Well, but I forget. We went some. It was definitely, was it a TO fight?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:03

I didn't go to no TO fight with you as I don't know. I'm not looking forward to that part of this.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:09

But yo, TO actually said something to me that that kind of he's like, yo, don't get emotionally attached to fighters. So like he's right. Yeah, he's right. I can't, I can't. I'm gonna, but I can't. Uh yeah. All right. You want to talk? I don't know. You want to talk about the undercard? Fuck it then. Nobody cares what the first fight you went to be with was anyway. Uh was it? I don't know, but you definitely were at it, and I remember you were like, damn, dude, that was fucking crazy. It was at MSG. It had to be an MSG somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:39

It's a hulu there to forget.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:40

The Valentine's Day.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:44

It had to be before that, right?

SPEAKER_07 1:07:45

Yeah, it was. Whatever, who cares? We'll find we'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:50

Damn, I don't even know. That's a good question. I think that's the only one.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:57

No, it's not.

unknown 1:07:59

I don't know.

Vargas Family Scuffle And More Drama

SPEAKER_07 1:08:00

Um, all right, let's just get into it. We are breaking down the TFI Molopez versus Core Stevenson card of the year in the first month of the year. And again, I know I said it a hundred times, and I even did a little gay chill thing. I got the chills. We are in the building. Two top dudes in their prime, both daring to be great in Madison Square Garden, the heart of New York City, the Mecca, where Muhammad Ali fought Joe Frazier, where Sugar Ray Robinson fought Jake LaMada, Joe Lewis versus Rocky Marciano. You could even go deeper, Hulk Hogan versus the fucking Iron Sheik, Triple H vers, or not Triple H, HBK versus Razor fucking Ramon, dude. This the aura of MSG is wild. It is the main room. Vegas is great. You had Gotti Ward, though. You had Gotti Ward at MSG. This fucking I am so amped up. And we have two dudes in their prime going back to back, belly to belly. Bang! Back to back belly to belly. I don't know. That just came out because I'm a little tipsy. Shakur Stevenson versus Tiafimo Lopez, the takeover versus Shakur, Brick City, baby. Whew! Can't wait.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:12

Who you think is gonna have the most fans there?

SPEAKER_07 1:09:14

Uh probably Shakur because he's more he he he's New Jersey is gonna show up. We'll we'll get into that. Who's gonna have the most fans? But let's talk about the undercard first. Let's talk about the fights before because we have Jarrell Miller, Brooklyn's own, making his uh comeback versus Kingsley Iba Ibea. I don't know if I'm saying that right. And then a good friend of ours, probably another mutual uh one of one of the coolest dudes in boxing. We have Shu Shu, Bruce Carrington versus Carlos Castro, finally getting his shot at the WBC featherweight title, the vacant featherweight title, long time coming for Bruce. We're gonna talk about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:56

And this is gonna be a tough one.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:57

Then you have Carlos Adames versus Emma Williams for WBC middleweight title.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:02

God damn.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:03

And coming out of retirement or whatever he was, Keishon.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:08

Keyson, another uh uh New York friendly favorite.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:13

You know, I think he's gonna have the most fans because they show out for him. Yeah, they come out. Yeah, they come out.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:17

He's got the whole Long Island, too.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:19

Yeah, but I think I think Virginia's gonna come out for him, and then they're all gonna root for Shakur. So that's why Shakur's gonna have the most fans. But who's gonna have the best fans?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:30

I guess uh takeover, baby, because I'm coming. I guess Teo, but my son Jermaine O'T's, man. He's in Connecticut, he's right there, too.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:39

So yeah, Jermaine's gonna have some fans. Yo, and he's always been real, he's at every fight, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:43

Yeah, every fight showing love.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:45

He's uh and we'll we'll we're gonna chop that up. We're gonna talk about that, and then the main event Shakur vs. Tio. So let's start from the bottom to the top. Jorel Miller, the big boys, the heavyweights, Kingsley, Ibea, or Ibea. Big ass African dude. Yeah, giant ass African dude.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:04

Yeah, but this is the other big baby put him out.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:07

So yeah, but when did yo, did you see him landing on the other big baby? He was landing some shots on his ass.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:12

Yeah, I bet because the other big baby gets hit. Yeah, you we already know it.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:17

Listen, this this there is like it's an undercard fight, it's 10 rounds, it's a heavyweight fight.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:23

It's a heavy any heavyweight got a point, uh punch a chance.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:26

Jarrell Miller has been through some shit. He's been through the ringer, he's failed tests, he's he's fought, he did a he had a great fight versus Ruiz and then went MIA. Like I thought he was gonna capitalize on that. So he's coming off that. He he gets knocked out by Du Bois, fights, not knocked out, knocked, uh stopped by Dubois, fights Ruiz, which was tough. Andy Ruiz goes the distance, it was a draw. I thought, I thought Jarell edged it out. I was like, oh good. Jarrell Miller's coming back, and then just goes MIA for almost two years. So this is his opportunity, and the Saudis are giving him an opportunity to show out.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:04

Yeah, this is definitely a show out. This is a moment, this is he's supposed to get a stoppage here.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:09

Yeah, stoppage or knockout. I I believe so too. I heard through the grapevine, because we do know people that know him. Um, I've interviewed his strength and conditioning coach. I've I've met Gerrell Miller multiple times. We have mutual friends. Um, he's also a big fan of Empire Nutrition, who threw us under their under their wing. And I heard he's working out hard. I heard he's working out hard.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:30

He's looking healthy. I seen his face. He did an interview, he looked real healthy. He don't look overweight in the face.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:38

I don't know why he's gonna weigh in at, but now now all that being said, all the pressure is on him. Yes, and and we know at that level meant mental matters. Kingsley Ibe knows he's here to upset the show, you know, and it is heavyweight boxing.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:54

Anything could happen, anything can happen, but um definitely is definitely betting a KO for Miller.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:02

I'm betting distance.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:03

What? Yeah, I'm betting distance. Or the bet comeback?

SPEAKER_07 1:13:06

I'm betting distance, man. Um Jarrell Miller again, and like most people, and this is no slight against Jarrell Miller, but like most people, when once they pop hot, that power goes away. That was a while ago, but you know, still, how many knockouts has he had since then? How many stoppages has he had since then? I think it's gonna go the distance. It's 10 rounds. I think Kingsley will do enough to survive. I will say this though, when I was uh previewing this fight and and looking at Kingsley and it was all coming back, he could crack. Don't get me wrong, he's a heavyweight, he could crack. He switches too. He can go righty, lefty, but his chin is fucking sniffing farts. His chin is in the air, dude. So so Jarrell Miller needs to knock him out to gain the respect of everyone.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:51

I'm I'm pretty sure he could get it done.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:53

He's so marketable.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:54

It's a gimmick, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:55

He talks a gimmick. He talks so much shit. He he's just a brilliant shit talker. Brilliant person. It's just yeah, he needs to get kind of get out of his own head in a way, like and put the streets behind him. You know what I mean? And he I'm not saying he he doesn't drink, he doesn't do drugs or anything. It's just sometimes the mentality matters and and he has to just put the screets behind him and just focus, man. Focus, Jarrell Miller, big baby biller. Again, I've met him a bunch of times. I see him all the time, always fan-friendly, good dude, good dude. Who's that? Oh, we ain't live on TikTok. Alright, whatever. I'll uh hold on. I gotta go live on TikTok real quick. Uh, but yeah. What's your bet again, Willie?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:40

Uh Jr. Knockout, man. You gotta bet to knockout, man. I think this is a game.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:45

Jurell knockout, yeah. You think knockout or tko?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:50

Huh?

SPEAKER_07 1:14:51

You think knockout or tko?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:54

Oh, um either one.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:57

Yeah?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:58

Either one. It has to be.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:00

What are you putting? What what kind of money are you putting on this night?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:03

I don't know. I'm betting every I'm better.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:04

I'm betting every fight.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:06

The one I really want to put is eighth round for um Bruce Carrington.

Ryan Garcia Title Shot Debate

SPEAKER_07 1:15:10

Okay, we're gonna get there next. We're gonna get there next. That's my that's so again, um the Willie's going, Jarel. And listen, I I hope Jarell Miller gets the KO T KO. Um I want to talk about that interview you brought up, though. It just came to me with Max Kellerman on whatever his show's called. Max was Max wasn't asking the right cards.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:32

Oh, you put it back on.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:34

Oh, yeah, we're back live on TikTok. Max wasn't asking the right questions, man. MBCC Arod says Bazito, Shakur for the win. Okay, okay. Shakur for the win if that's how you feel. We're gonna get there. Stay tuned, man. We're gonna we're gonna preview that coming up next. Shakur for the win. All right. I I you know, I don't hope you're right, but we're gonna get there. Um so Jarell Miller, man, just he it is what it is. He he he popped hot for like two tests or whatever. Great guy. Anthony Joshua, the the one Ruiz beat him in, kind of fucked with his head, you know. He's been through a lot mentally, for real, for real.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:14

But right now, like if Jarrell Miller doesn't show out in this fight, kind of like you with Tank, as a fan of Jarrell Miller. This guy's like, to me, when I meet a pro fighter, I'm in Starstruck, I gotta start like backtracking, like, dude, get out of here. Like, get the fuck out, you know, like like you because because this this is this is kind of like Turk giving him that shot, like, bro, we want you. Turk said it. Turk said it. He's like, we want a black heavyweight, we want a black American heavyweight. He literally, I I didn't say it, he said it. We want a black American heavyweight on air, he said it. And and Jarrell Miller could do it, you know what I mean? He has the mouth, but does does he have the mind? And and this is it, this is it for me. If Jarrell Miller doesn't get the KO T KO here, I I'm not gonna write him off per se. I'm I'm gonna I'm always a fan of all fighters, but I'm gonna be like, dude, uh, and and I'm gonna get slack for this anyway, because because real boxing nerds are gonna be like, you should hate him anyway. I don't give a fuck what they think. But if he doesn't get the KO TKO here, yeah, I'm gonna have to be like, all right, bro. Like this guy is made.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:19

He's a big shit talker, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:20

He's he's not getting knocked down though. Like Jrell Miller's chin is fucking crazy good. Dubois Du Bois was tagging him up, they stopped it, but he didn't fall. Geral didn't fall. So uh Osaka O'Neill says, great promo guy. And yeah, I agree, he is a great promo guy, but you could be a great promo guy, but when you don't when you're not when you're not putting quality out there and you're fighting every two years.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:44

Bro, he if if he start winning some fights, and then when he retire, he's gonna have a job, bro. He can talk, man. Yeah, he's always talking.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:56

We'll talk off the air, but it's his last shot. This feels like it's his last shot. You're on the undercard, it's a 10-round fight. You haven't fought in two years. You you got a New York home crowd. We're gonna be rooting for you. We're gonna be rooting for you.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:09

When he was on the show, they was asking about another fight after this.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:12

So he's uh it's kind of like Turk, Turk wants Turk, Turk has been this this is a setup for Jared Anderson. Turk knows that he already he already if you follow the money Jarrell Anderson, I'm Miller. No, Jared Anderson, I'm saying Jarrell Miller. This is a setup for him versus Jared Anderson. For both of them, yeah. Because if you follow, if you follow the money, right? If you follow the money, and there's been rumors and and some evidence that big baby versus big baby. Exactly. This is a setup for that same opponent, similar opponent, but but Jarrell has to get him out. Jarel has to get him out. I heard he's been training, like you said, he looks good. I hope you're right. I know because it's it all it all is different on on fight night. So let's hope that happens. But another Brooklyn guy's fighting after him. Yeah. Oh like like you don't understand.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:00

Like, so this is going to be the most exciting fight for me.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:04

So so my me personally, my favorite fighter right now, active current fighter for the past fucking seven, eight years, even when he was in the amateurs, is Tiafimo Lopez, right? My second favorite fighter, right? Is he Bruce Shushu Carrington, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:21

That's your second favorite fighter.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:22

Because because of because of how fucking cool he's been since we started this show and everything. Like he just he's up there. And then, of course, you know, obviously we're Jahai Tucker fans. We're loyal to like a million guys. But like my one and one A are Tia Fimo Lopez and Bruce Shushu Carrington. And bro, I thought this fight was gonna be in Puerto Rico. Yeah, shout out to our our fellow uh pay the toll boxing podcast. He was he was going to the Xander's Ayes fight same night in Puerto Rico. Yeah, I was mad because I was like, fuck, man, I wish Bruce Bruce should be fighting in New York. They switched it. He is fighting in New York.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:58

That's crazy. I I want to know how that happened. Whatever.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:02

It's the right, it's the right move. This is for a belt. The WBC belt.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:07

Versa Latino.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:10

Let's break down the fight. Let's get into the fight. Uh the fight itself. Because you know, we ramble all with the drama. Let's let's talk about the fight itself, style-wise. Uh, long time coming for Bruce. You know he's mentally ready.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:21

He's definitely mentally ready, bro. He's uh his content been going up. He's been fucking working hard, bro. Yeah, man. Oh, yeah. This is gonna be crazy, but he got a tough fight, man. He got a seasoned, uh seasoned fighter, man. It's a seasoned fighter.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:36

Seasoned, yes. But styles make fights, man. He's tall. Castro. This is we're talking about uh Carlos Castro. Yeah, tall, engages.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:45

His best He don't have no defense, but he got counter punches, but no defense. He would take a punch.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:51

He has defense, but it it's it's no head movement. Castro has no head, but he his distance, his defense is his distance. Yeah, and he does bang, so he stays, he stays in the center of the ring. He's never on the ropes, he stays in the center of the ring and bangs, and that's Shushu's money. Yeah, Shushu also would love a fighter to stay in the center of the ring and bang. This dude, listen, as long as there's no injuries, I think Bruce Carrington's gonna knock his ass out, knock his head off. But I will say this tough, bro. I will say this. Carlos Castro, when when Mexicans or Latinos fight for belts, bro, they turn it up a notch. They turn it up a notch. I know Bruce is gonna turn it up a notch, but that's the only thing that worries me is they come in to upset the Apple card and they do it time and time again.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:37

Castro forced some people, man. He put he put on he's he put Fulton on his ass.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:42

You know who they he didn't fight though? Yeah, but everyone put Fulton on his ass.

unknown 1:21:48

What?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:49

Everyone put Fulton on his ass.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:51

That was a fucking amazing fight. I ain't gonna lie. He probably won that fight. I ain't gonna like yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:56

Uh you know what though?

SPEAKER_07 1:21:59

Bruce.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:01

I'm I'm thinking I want him to do the eighth round, man. I I have a feeling. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:05

All right, let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do a mutual bet. I'll put 100 on. Eighth round, Bruce, TKO, KO.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:10

That's all I'm trying to do.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:10

Yeah? Eighth round? Yeah. Eighth round, K-O-T-K-O. Bang! Put it in. Lock it in. I wonder what's the odds for that? Who cares? We putting it in. Eighth round, K-O-T-K-O. Shit gonna happen in the seventh. We're gonna be tight. But whatever. We won't be that tight because Bruce Carrington will win. But again, uh listen, the the only real the there's two there's two things that Castro has that's gonna give Bruce problems. And and that's the mentality, because when a Latino comes in for a belt, specifically the WBC belt, they're coming and and they have them on their side, as we talked about. And two is the length, but but he doesn't really use his length in in a way of like running away. He stands and bangs, he'll take half steps back, and in the middle of the ring, Bruce Carrington's counters are gonna light him up, dude. Yeah, I think the ref's gonna stop it. I think it's gonna be a stoppage. Bruce Carrington's Bruce Carrington's gonna be the winner, and we're gonna go fucking ballistic. We're gonna go crazy. Yeah, we're gonna go crazy. Yeah, I'm probably gonna get locked up. I'm getting locked up.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:12

You gotta make it to the main event.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:14

I'm gonna try. But if Bruce gets a KOT in the eighth, if he gets that in the eighth, that'd be great. Shit. Yeah, I'm fucked. Fuck.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:23

Yeah, cooked. Anyway, that was gonna be that is gonna be a great fight, but he just this is not gonna be no slouch. This is gonna be a hard-earned fight, man. It's gonna be hard for the most part. Because this guy is tough, man. He's tough. He's Mexican WBC, WBC, you know. Oh, yeah. He's oh yeah, shoe is gonna have to really shoe gonna have to put a stamp on it because he might just get robbed for this one. This is a reward. Yeah, this is the robbery one.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:53

I and I and that was such a good move marketing, like but I mean Shu's like half Puerto Rican, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 1:23:59

No, yeah, he's he's Black Rican. He's Black Arian.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:03

He's not the Puerto Rican parade.

Ortiz Lawsuit And Promoter Politics

SPEAKER_07 1:24:06

No, he is. Oh, thanks for playing. Gave him the coolest shirt. I'm actually I actually have that. I'm gonna I'm gonna actually uh I'm gonna give it out when we go. Anyway, we'll talk about that off air here. You just give him that away? Yeah, yeah, because it's extra large, but whatever. Um yeah, so and then so after Bruce Carrington, right? Oh man, I'm so excited, Willie. What the fuck? Yeah, this this card is a oh god, are we still live on TikTok? Yeah, no, we ain't doing shit on Instagram. Hey, tap the screen, tap, tap, tap. Follow the Instagram. I'm more active on Instagram, which is easier. And like, subscribe, all that shit. We give away free shit like crazy. The giveaway this month, obviously, is a Tiafimo Lopez autographed, certified 8x10 photo. Uh, cool, it's framed, whatever. I'll send it to you with a t-shirt. So like, subscribe, follow the rules, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Here we are. Look at us like shouting shit out. Oh, speaking of shouting shit out, Empire Nutrition. All over Long Island in New York City, they deliver. Get in shape. Pre-made meals, all my fight fans. Yeah. All my fight fans, you fat asses. Get in shape. Okay. So we talked about Bruce Carrington. This this is all one card, mind you. This is all one fucking card. That's why we had a stretch. That's why we had a stretch.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:27

This is all one fucking card. Oh, what a good fucking card, dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:31

We get to see all types of styles and shit. Yeah. I think this is the most the most beautiful boxing card. Like a straight boxing. Like it's gonna be all they're gonna have to be, it's gonna be technical. There's technicians out here.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:48

It's nothing but so then I guess uh the next fight after, and who knows what they do. I don't know who's going first. Sometimes they switch it last minute, but so we got Bruce Carrington versus Carlos Castro. Then we have Carlos Daims versus Austin Ammo Williams, man. For the WBC middleweight title. Listen, Ammo has power, he trains hard, but he he just cannot beat the next tier. We saw that with Shiraz, um, who also went the distance with a dames. A dames can beat the next tier.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:25

Yeah, and it's a dames is the next tier. He's been the champ for a minute.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:30

Good promoting by match room. You know, they they guessed up Hamza Shiraz. A dames went in there, got a draw, draw, got a draw. A dames went in there. A dames is like the kind of like high risk, low reward, but but with a belt. So it's like, oh shit. You know who a dames should be fighting? Who?

SPEAKER_05 1:26:52

You know who? I think we interviewed him.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:56

Jahad?

SPEAKER_05 1:26:57

Troy Isley.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:58

Troy, oh yeah. Jahai's next up. Jahai's next up, but Troy Isley's already up there in the rankings. Troy Isley's been calling out fucking the dames. Troy Isley should be on this fucking card.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:11

That's a good fight.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:12

I would rather see Carlos Adames versus Troy Isley than Ammo Williams, because Carlos Adan is gonna stop Ammo Williams. I promise you.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:19

What was um Ammo Williams' last fight, though?

SPEAKER_07 1:27:22

Um it I forget he he had two two two like whatever fights because coming off a loss. So that's another thing. Like does Austin Ammo Williams and again he has power. He has power, but does he deserve a title shot? Does he deserve a title shot? But he he is coming off of two like whatever fights, which is cool. I'm not hating on him for that. That that happens, that's boxing, but you you don't get back on track. Just I I what do they call him? Albronco, Carlos Adane is gonna steam. He he is just he Austin Williams has never beat that next level. I want to like him. I I I really do. I'm just talking in the boxing.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:01

That's an ill name, too.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:02

Yeah, I like I like I like Austin M. O. Williams, though. That's an ill name. That's an ill name, too. Austin M. O. Williams, bro. But it's just it yeah, he's no. So he he beat Ivan Vasquez, TKO in the ninth. He beat uh Patrice Volhoy. He beat Gian Garrido. This is all after the loss to Hamza Shiraz. He he is not he was active. Active, that's good, and that that's very good, and that's a plus, but he is not beating Carlos Adames, dude. Not doing it.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:37

He's gonna get boxed.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:38

Look at look at how high they are on Hamza Shiraz, right? For beating Berlanga. He knocked out Berlanga. They are stroking Hamza Shiraz like crazy. Oh, yeah, and he's Muslim. Carlos, why if they're stroking him so good, why wouldn't they give a dames the rematch?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:54

Well, it's supposedly High Mex can't make the weight no more. Oh, oh yeah. He can't make the weight. I mean, he is a big boy, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:06

Yeah, yeah, but but I feel like a dames would move up for that.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:11

I feel like he would, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:13

I don't think so. He got his title, he's chilling, he's happy. If you say so. And guess what? He's a WBC champ.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:24

Dominicano. No, he's Dominican. El Bronco, bro. I'm going with my Dominicano, bro. I'm gonna parlay that actually. I'm gonna do Bruce Carrington stoppage. Actually, that's that's a cool parlay. You know what? I'm gonna I'm gonna float something by you right now while we're live. Jorrell Miller stoppage. I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:43

I guess that's all it's gonna be a three-leg?

SPEAKER_07 1:29:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jarel, like, because this this this is gonna be plus money. So Jarrell Miller stoppage.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:50

Yeah. Where are you at? You own something?

SPEAKER_07 1:29:52

No. I'm looking at my notes. Jarell Miller stoppage, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:56

You got the odds on your notes?

SPEAKER_07 1:29:58

No. Oh, Jarrell Miller stoppage, Carlos Adames stoppage, Bruce Shushu stoppage, Sparley.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:05

Carlos' gonna stop his ass.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:06

Yes, Carlos' gonna stop his ass, bro. 12 rounds? No. Carlos Adames El Branco is gonna stop his ass. That's a lock. That's a fucking lock. He's gonna stop Austin Ammo Williams.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:18

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:20

You wanna lock it in or no?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:21

I don't care. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:22

Yeah, let's lock it in, bro. I'm putting a hundo on that. I'm gonna put a whole G on this card, but I'm gonna put a Hundo on that. Damn. Yeah. Um, so that's a cool little fight they threw in there. And yeah, we're here for three title fights on this card, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:34

Oh, we're missing a good football game.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:36

Oh, yeah. Shit. I gotta bet in that too. Oh, oh, that's not TikTok.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:40

This motherfucker. This motherfucker. I've been tapping for man. Look at me like keep tapping because I was just looking at the score right fast.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:51

This dude didn't hit me back, so um, all right.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:56

So then Keyshawn. Keyshawn Davis. I got a lot to say about this, but I'm gonna let you go first because I need a break. But what you gotta say about we have they threw in their last minute about a month ago.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:09

This was the craziest, like this was like the craziest uh fight that was gonna happen, not happened, or happened and it wasn't supposed to happen. Cause Jermaine Ortiz was gonna I don't understand that he took he said he signed both for Hitchens and uh and Keishon.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:32

But how the fuck No Jermaine Ortiz said I was signed for Hitchens. He said I was signed for Hitchens.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:38

He was signed for so Hitchens and then this fight. I don't understand what happened and how he he was supposed to be fighting for a championship belt. And then he's now he's fighting a 10-rounder versus more dangerous opponent. Politics? Boxing politics. And put it like this did you talk about?

SPEAKER_07 1:31:58

I thought uh George Bush. No, I'm just kidding. I thought Keyshawn was retired.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:04

Yeah, Keyshawn. We knew that was gonna happen. But like what? That's like his source of money.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:09

Like so, so so this is now now we're gonna fuck, dude. We're gonna get into it now.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:14

So I don't get it though.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:16

I don't get it either, and I kind of feel bad for Ortiz. Like, like Ortiz isn't like a nobody. Ortiz fought everybody, bro. Everybody. That Lomachenko fight was crazy. He was in Lomachenko's camp sparring them. The Tio fight, he jerk Ortiz fought that like wrong. That's why he hates me, but he fought that wrong. I ask him dumb questions, but whatever. Um, I feel bad for Ortiz because in at this level, right? Elite, elite, elite level. When you're training for a certain person, you're training for that person. And when you're an elite athlete at this level, right? People think boxers are just whatever. No, these are professional boxers. If you don't, I I've said this a million times, watch a professional boxer hit the heavy bag. It's fucking crazy. Crazy. So at this elite level, Jermaine Ortiz, Jamaine Ortiz is training for Richardson Hitchens. Hitchens came out and was like, Yeah, I'm fighting Ortiz, blah blah blah. And and that would have been a cool fight. That would have been crazy. I mean, I don't know. All of a sudden, a retired, a retired guy comes out of the woodwork. Because the name is bigger? Ring magazine, and if you look at the promo, I don't want to say, and I like Keyshawn, I really do, but if you look at the promos, they are stroking Keyshawn. You mean they are Ring Magazine, aka Turkish.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:37

They're stroking Keyshawn or Keyshawn.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:39

They are Keyshawn and Shakur, they're training together, and we'll get into that. They are stroking Keyshawn. Why why haven't Jermaine Ortiz's workout regimen? Jermaine Ortiz, when he trains, is awesome.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:52

Top rank did it with him. When he trains, yo, Jermaine Ortiz's workout regimen is fucking amazing. It gets you motivated to work out.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:00

Why aren't they giving him promos? Have you seen any promo for Jermaine Ortiz? No. Or have you just seen Keyshawn running around screaming? Be honest, be honest. And I'm a Keishon guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:11

Yeah. Um, I only seen Keishon. I really only seen Shakur, to be honest. I don't see Two.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:18

I've only seen Keishons. Maybe my algorithm is.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:20

I've never really seen Oh well, yeah. Maybe the algorithm is different. Nah, Keishon is stupid. I mean, I I love Keishon too. So it's like, damn. You you I don't see him like that.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:31

You you know me. If if you have a little bit of New York in you, you're my guy. Right? Like, I'm very like territorial like that when it comes to boxing fans, right? You got a little New York in you, you're my guy. I'm a huge Keishon guy. But we met Jermaine Ortiz probably like 20 times.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:49

Always showed us love, always cubs to fight, always cubs ready. His training camps are real. He's very athletic.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:58

Yeah, he's very athletic.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:00

Who's been more active?

SPEAKER_01 1:35:02

Damn, that's a good question.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:04

No, it's an easy answer.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:06

I mean, who the fuck did Who's retired?

SPEAKER_07 1:35:09

Who's not?

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SPEAKER_01 1:35:09

No, that's not an easy answer because I don't remember when Jermaine fought, the last one.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:15

Jermaine's been more active. He was on a Pro Box card. He was on a Pro Box card, not too long. Guess who? Um, I I forget who I have to look it up, but he was on a Pro Box card. Jermaine's been more active. He's not retired. Who's been mentally sound always? Yeah, Jermaine is always who's a hard worker. All he knows is boxing. All he knows is boxing. Jermaine, yeah. Keyshawn Davis keeps screaming and yelling. I've never look it up. I've never seen promo like this with him. It just looks fake to me. It looks very fake to me. And and again, I'm not saying he's not talented. I'm not saying he's not an Olympian. He's a fucking, he's an awesome boxer. This is his toughest opponent. Jermaine Ortiz is Keyshawn Davis' toughest opponent.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:58

I wonder what kind of fucking Ortiz gonna how he's gonna fight this fight.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:03

Ortiz isn't a slouch, bro. Ortiz has been through the ringer.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:06

Yeah, he's been through the ring, but he got different ways to fight.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:10

And he got feet. If if he puts it all together, movement.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:14

He could.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:16

I might throw a little something.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:18

I'm rooting for Keyshawn.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:19

The distance?

SPEAKER_07 1:36:20

Again. Again. I'm rooting for Keyshawn. I'm rooting for Keyshawn because of the Long Island background, right? Yeah. I'm rooting for Keyshawn. And and again, his people tried to fucking jump me because I was while I was rooting for Keyshawn. But I'm rooting for backtrack. I was rooting for Keyshawn when he won his first belt. And I was like, yeah, he's from Long Island. And his own brother was about to kill me in the shisty. But I'm rooting for Keyshawn, right? But I'm gonna throw$10 on Jermaine Ortiz. I'm gonna throw$10 on Jermaine because the odds are gonna be so infuriated because they are pumping Keyshawn, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:54

Turk Turk has a thing for black guys. Turk Alashik has a thing for black guys. He said it, he said it, he said it. Yeah, he has a thing for black guys. He might have German roots because German people love black guys. Turk Alashik has a thing for black guys, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:11

This is getting crazy.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:12

Nah, but come on. You know what I'm saying, bro? And yes, this is coming from a white guy. And I'm not, I'm not, I hate the race arguments, I hate all that shit, but uh Turk is fucking, he loves the black man. Yeah, he really does.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:26

I don't know how I don't know how this fight is gonna go, bro. I'm excited to see it, but I wanna uh I don't know how it's gonna go.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:34

Um listen, if Jermaine Ortiz tries to outbox, like Keyshawn's kind of a pocket fighter. Yeah, so if Jermaine Ortiz has better footworks, if if Jermaine Ortiz decides to, I'm gonna fucking masterclass box this guy, I think he can win a lot of the early rounds. Yeah, he just can't get caught late. Be like, wow, this is this is the closest fight on the card to me. This is don't believe the hype. This is the closest fight on the card. And Jermaine Ortiz isn't a nobody.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:06

Like he's he's I would bet the distance.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:08

He could have he could have been in the Olympics. Jamaine Ortiz could have been in the Olympics. For real. Yeah, he's a he's in Boston, bro. He's like a god.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:16

Nah, he's nice though. No, this is he he he fought, he got his.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:21

And here's another thing. Here's another thing I noticed. Keyshawn now is beefing with Bomack and all his old trainers.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:26

Yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:27

Like, that's that's insane. At this level, dude, it's all mental.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:32

Like, like I understand, like, you want to go back to the roots and you know, have a reset a little bit, but that was crazy. Bomack is a great trainer. All that that uh the light-skinned dude was on with somebody telling him about that.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:49

Who the light-skinned dude?

SPEAKER_01 1:38:50

The light-skinned one. Like they was like, Who the fuck is the light-skinned one? I forgot. I don't know if he's a training. Who?

SPEAKER_07 1:38:57

Big red, red, red, the trainer, yeah. Red. I guess. Coach Red? Whatever. Bo Bome Team Bo Mac.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:04

Team Bo Mac, yeah. He was like, yeah, I think he might have uh he might have missed weight on purpose that last fight.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:11

Yo, and then and then and then I want to say this, like like listen, I'm an avid drinker, right? I'm an avid drinker. I fucking booze because on the weekends, I booze, right? You were drinking beer.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:20

But then did you hear Keyshawn's interview? Yeah, I missed weight because I was drinking, I was drinking beer.

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SPEAKER_01 1:39:26

Bro, he said beer, or he just said he was drinking.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:28

He said beer.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:30

Bro, no, no, no, pro boxer at that level is drinking beer.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:35

During camp.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:36

Yeah, like now you're Fugazi. Like Keisha. I I'm um I I saw him on the L I D R, bro, the Long Island Railroad. I was like, Keyshaw, I was going crazy. I I'm a Keyshawn fan, bro. My fucking a guy came to fix my plumbing, right? Like, fix he's like, yo, yeah, I'm going to this Keyshawn Davis fight. My wife, he's from Long Island. I'm like, bro, look at my Basement. I brought him like I'm like, yo, I'm a big uh when you're when you when you have a little sprinkle in New York in you, I'm a root for you. I'm I'm very territorial like that, right? But he's making it hard. Yeah, he he could bounce back if he puts on a master class versus Ortiz, which is very, very hard.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:18

That's it's a tough fight.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:19

Yeah, this is this is the closest fight on the card, dude. And and but but hear out hear me out. When you're mentally unstable like that, and he's proved that time and time again. This ain't good for Keyshawn, bro. I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:34

That's like your boy. Like your boy Teo. When he was mentally unstable in the city, and we're gonna get there.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:40

But you know when he's not mentally unstable, Tio? When he's dancing around versus the best in the business. Seriously. You know when Tio's not mentally unstable? When he's up for the fight, huh? When he's versus the best in the business and he's doubted. Let's get right into it. Look at that segue. Tio Fimo Lopez versus Shakur. Enough about Shakur's bestie, Keyshawn Davis. Let's get into Tio versus Shakur.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:10

This is gonna be a crazy fight. I wonder how this shit is gonna go, man. Cause you know, I went back and I watched T.O. fights and the different ways he used to come out. Oh my god, bro. Like the different ways like that. When he came out to um Cambosas, if he comes out like that, the Shakur.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:30

I do want to say something though. It's funny you make it's funny you you said Cambosas. Listen, I just got over the flu. That's why we didn't record, right? There is sickness in New York going around. Yeah, I didn't feel I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if some of these fights get canceled. Yo, fighters, if you are happen to listen, if you see this, come last minute. Don't come for fight week. Come a day before the fight. Come two days before the fight. Don't come on Monday. Because there is some sickness going around, and this fight is so important and so great for boxing that I don't want to see it get disrupted. Because that shit is really going around. Everybody is sick. We're all sniffling. You heard that? We're all sniffling. Like for real. I mean that though. That that's something to be said for that. There's something to be said for that. Like, like, don't come to New York right now. There's some shit going around. It's just disease. It's disease city. There is no heat. But all that being said, Madison Square Garden.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:28

Yeah, you're excited, huh?

SPEAKER_07 1:42:30

You know I'm excited. Yo, Willie. So so let's give them backtrack. And this is the last segment of the show. I know it's a long show. We're we're two hours deep. We got 10 minutes. Two hours deep. So this is the last segment of the show, right? So I I saw the pre-sale tickets. For the floor was like 1100. Good seats. I'm like, shit. Nah. People hate boxing. Nobody's gonna fucking go. Nobody. Boom. Next day, right? I look. What the fuck? Five G's. I'm like, I can who the fuck can afford five G's? Resale.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:03

People buy it on this resale, man. That's what we're gonna do.

Jarell Miller Heavyweight Return

SPEAKER_07 1:43:06

Next day, next day. No, no, now we know. But next day, 10 G's. I'm like, what the fuck? So, right? I was texting you. I'm getting nervous. I'm like, we know we gotta go. We haven't been to a fight in a minute. You we know we gotta go. Fuck, fuck, fuck. The prices start going down now. I'm like, cool. Prices are going down. Boom. Keyson. Keyshawn Davis. They start stroking Keyshawn. Keyson Davis versus fucking Jermaine Ortiz. Boom, boom, boom. Next day, right up again. Because they know he, they know they're we've been there. They know his fans are coming. Bruce Carrington on the card. Right back to where we started.

unknown 1:43:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:51

All good though. We in the building. We in the fucking building. We did it. We did it. We did it. Yo, Willy. Willie, Willie, we did it. Like this is.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:58

I can't believe how much we're paying. This is out of my body. I know the Super Bowl is in February. The most I ever spent on anything.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:04

It's all good. It's all good.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:06

On anything.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:07

Memories over money. February is the Super Bowl. February is the Super Bowl, right? When you die, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:44:14

February is the Super Bowl?

SPEAKER_07 1:44:16

Yeah. What dies with you when you die?

SPEAKER_01 1:44:17

What?

SPEAKER_07 1:44:18

February 8th, I think. Or 9th.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:20

God damn.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:20

What dies with you when you die? Money. Mm-hmm. No. Memories. Memories. Picture says a thousand words. Nobody cares about the money. Nobody remembers that dollar bill you had. They remember that picture though. We in the building.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:36

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:37

Tia Fima Lopez versus Shakur Stevenson. Two fighters in their prime with the history. Shakur's team jumped his dad back in the day when they were sparring as amateurs, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We are, oh God. Main event. It's it's this is what makes boxing great. This is why boxing will never go away. Boxing and UFC, you can make the comparisons, all this, that, the other thing. Boxing is legendary for reasons like this. In the legendary arena, arena. Arena. MSG, Madison Square Garden.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:13

Big Room.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:14

The big room. The big room. Dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:18

That's my first fight in a big room, you know.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:20

Yeah. It's not like it's not like the Hulu Theater. Not as much freedom, but we're free. Let's talk about it though. Let's break down the fight with we got to, and then we'll get out of here. It's been a while.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:30

Oh yeah, the fight. I don't know. This is this crazy fight. I just know. TO. This is like counter puncher on counter puncher. Like this is Twitch, Twitch on defense. Like, let me ask you something.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:44

Let me ask you something. I'm gonna start off hot. I'm gonna start off hot. Let me ask you something. We're not TO heat haters. I mean, I'm sorry, we're not we're not Shakur haters. We're not Shakur haters. But if if Shakur comes into this fight, right, and sticks and moves, sticks and moves, jab, jab, jab. He's the best defensive fighter in the game. He has the best plus-minus according to CompuBox. Yeah. Hit and don't get hit in the game almost ever. If it might be ever, actually, if he comes into this fight and wins on a boring point decision, do you do you respect it?

SPEAKER_01 1:46:21

Uh yeah, you have to respect it, but it's like So you do respect it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:28

The biggest stage, the biggest fight in boxing in fucking 10 years. Yeah, because you could say.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:33

I mean, because he sat in a that's only because his last fight, he sat there the whole time. And he's like, I didn't have to do that. You know what I'm saying? Like, so you're gonna respect it. Yeah, you have to respect it, but um it's gonna be hard. It's gonna be hard to do that with somebody as twitchy as as um Tio. It's gonna be hard to do that, but I'm I'm worried, I'm more worried about what kind of TO we're gonna get. Because I don't know. So Shakur is is Tio need to punch arms. I heard a counterpunch on his counter punching.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:10

I heard, I heard they're both oh shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:12

Damn.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:13

Sorry. I heard they're both making nine millies each guaranteed, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:47:16

Woo!

SPEAKER_07 1:47:17

Just saw that. They're making nine millies each guaranteed. Now, I think Teal, we know Teal's crazy. We know Teo's fucking he's fucking crazy. I think Tio's coming. I think Teo's he's he's coming for him. But I will say this. I'm getting the same energy, and and Tio's a big energy guy, right? I'm getting the same energy as when Tio versus Loma. And and I'm talking all the energy. I'm talking the interviews, the odds. Tio's a minor uh plus 250, plus 350. I'm talking, he's an underdog. He has the belt, the ring magazine belt, and the what is it, WBO? The WBO belt. He had he had whatever belt it was. He has the ring magazine and another belt. He he's the energy that I'm feeling was the same thing with Lomachenko. Same thing. So you got a special everyone's talking, everyone's talking, and then take it a step further. That same thing was happening with Josh Taylor. He's moving up in weight. Oh no, he can't beat Josh Taylor. And I'll give him that. Josh Taylor was older.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:32

I'm getting the same energy, dude. And when has Teo ever disappointed when I felt that energy? Uh huh. You tell me. Never. That's what I'm telling you. He shows the fuck up. He knows it's it's the same, it's this, it's almost it's crazy, dude. He he's working out at like 1 a.m. He didn't post shit. He's doing ab workouts in his in his backyard at 1 a.m. Same shit. Yeah, be careful.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:58

They're overtrained now.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:59

Yeah, no, he's not overtraining. That's what I'm saying. Like, you're like Shakur's not doing ab workouts at 1 a.m. in his backyard. Shakur Shakur got new teeth. I'll put it like I I look at it like exactly though. I look at it like this. Like Shakur is too like Teo's crazy, bro. Tio Shakur Shakur can say he's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:20

Yeah. He already said there's legal punches I can do.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:24

You ever meet a crazy crazy person and be like, if you harnessed that crazy energy, right? And put that towards something positive, yeah. You would be fucking amazing. Yeah, I know a few of them. When Tio fights when Teo fights the best, he harnesses his crazy energy and he puts that energy out. And this is the best of the best of the best. Same thing as Lomachenko. And let me ask you something, Willie. Are you willing to say that Lomachenko who's better? Who's who's more popular? Better? Are you willing to say Shakur than Loma was at that time? Teo fought Loma. No. You're not? Nope. So so at the time when Tio fought Loma, that time, that exact moment. Loma was my number two, man. So that exact moment. And I'll put it like this: the only the only time Shakur got into pound-for-pound talks was when the Teo fight was announced. What does that tell you?

SPEAKER_01 1:50:25

TO's that guy, man. He don't get TO, let me tell you, Tio don't get the his props for what he done did already. So this is like, like, like he said, he said, I don't think this is gonna really elevate his stardom, but this is gonna just give him more, you know, to the next thing. It's like I'm I this is this this got is gonna do more for Shakur's career than it does for Teos.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:56

I'll put it like this. I I was both fighters are daring to be great. You don't have this. This is what you want. This is you want the four horsemen fighting each other.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:04

This is this is two of the four. A lifetime. This is once in a lifetime.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:07

So so props to both.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:08

God damn, we just spent that money on it. One in the life, this is one in a lifetime. We in there, baby. This is we're there.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:15

On the floor, Willie.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:16

I had who are we?

SPEAKER_07 1:51:19

Who are we? Who are we working men? We are we have blue-collar jobs. Who are we? This is nuts. This is our Super Bowl. This is Boxing Super Bowl. And again, I'm I'm I'm not trying to just stroke. Oh shit, I turned the volume up. I'm not trying to just stroke Teo because I am a TO fan. Obviously, he's always showed the show love. He he's he's friendly with us. He sent us fucking free merch. Yeah, Teo Fimo Lopez sent us free. So we're gonna, but we love we love Shakur Stevenson too. We love his his fucking cousin. We fucking love, we love the boxing prowess of Shakur. If Shakur comes in defensive, jab, jab, jab, runaway, Haney, Haney, the new Haney era, right? If Shakur comes in like that, which I think he's gonna, because he knows uh if I have a Tia Fimo Lopez resume bullet, I'd go down in history, right? If he comes in like that, though, he will go down in history, yes, but he will be hated by the real fan base. Even his hardcores, he will be hated by the real fan base.

Bruce “ShuShu” Carrington Title Shot

SPEAKER_01 1:52:21

He have to he have to fight a little bit. Like he have to like put on a little show. Like this is a big time fight, bro. Like, I'm gonna be tight myself. If he if this is just like a straight boring fight, the whole fight, I'm gonna be so pissed. I'm gonna be so pissed.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:38

So so what's your take on the fight? Who you got?

SPEAKER_01 1:52:41

Um, who I have? I have to like I have to go, yeah. I have to go with Tio, man. I have to like that. He showed love to the show. How? How? I think Teal can do enough. We we seen TO. Uh he broke his record in like um punches per um round. This dude has heart. He can do he can outpunch him. He can outpunch him. And it's gonna be more accurate than like uh William Zapeta throwing that many punches he does. So I think he could outpunch him and win the fight. So and he got crazy counter punches, but he's gonna have to counter punch the counterpuncher because and don't let him throw his uh combinations, but counter punch when he throw the count combinations. So I but then you know Shakur throws this this left hook that we don't normally teach. He throws he didn't throw it straight too, but he usually throw it, like leads with it and throw the left hook. Counter off of that, and he be great, man. Um keep your foot on the output. I think he can do it, man. He's so explosive. And no, matter of fact, this is the main thing. Tio, if you're watching this, catch him going back because he's gonna hop back, he's gonna he step back too far sometimes. So you gotta end with the hook. So throw at least like double up the jab, throw a two, and then hook. Willie with the knowledge, but like so he's gonna go back too far, but you have explosive nift to reach him, and he's gonna, he's gonna, he's not gonna you're gonna catch him. That's the way you're gonna catch him. Be patient.

SPEAKER_06 1:54:20

TO be patient. Patient? Let Shakur be boring. Let Shakur be boring. Oh, yeah. Be patient.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:26

That's a good, that's a good tactic, too.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:28

Be patient. And then the second half of the fight, break out like the Hulk and BT a female fucking Lopez. But be patient.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:35

He's great in Tio is great in a lot and in the rounds. Like um, like the later rounds, he's great in the rounds.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:42

Tio has heart, bro. Everyone's everyone's cooking me on social media. Cambosis, cambosis, yeah, shit happens. It's boxing. Fucking Muhammad Ali has losses. Like, shut the fuck up. Coach Dave Champs Boxing says Tio hasn't seen defensive like this. You're right, coach. You're right, coach, but has Shakur seen athleticism like this? No. Has Shakur is moving up in weight seen power like this with that quick twitch? And and and you know natural ability, you know better than anyone. Natural ability in boxing? No. There's a lot of variables here where Shakur hasn't seen what Tio has seen. You know what I'm saying? And coach, let me ask you something. And we're a little delayed, so we're gonna extend this a little further. We're a little delayed on the podcast, but I want to hear Coach Dave, he's out of Champs Boxing. Okay. I want to hear what he has to say about this. Are you willing to say that when Teo beat Loma, right? What was it, four years ago, three years ago? Is Shakur better than that version of Loma? That version, that exact version. You could say shoulder injury, but that version of Loma, besides all of a sudden we hear about the shoulder injury after the fight, that version of Loma, is Shakur better? Let me hear what you have to say, coach.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:59

But yeah, so yeah, I just think he's he's gonna catch him going backwards. That's the only way he can do that.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:07

It's free to think says no. I don't know who you are. It's free to think, but DM me, I'll send you a shirt. It's free to think says no. And and I agree, and I'm not hating on Shakur, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:17

Like I want Shakur's great, man, and he can easily win this fight, too. Um, it's just that Teo been on the show, so yeah, I'm definitely brutal for Teo. He's definitely has the I put it like this. He has something that Shakur had never seen, and we might see the best Shakur. Or if Shakur went boring, it's a lose-lose for him too.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:39

So if he wins boringly, I'm not gonna name names, but when Teo fought Josh Taylor, right? There was a there was a per a guy that works for Ring and Turk now, and he's a big name, and and I saw him at a bar, and and I was like, Who you got? Who you got, teo or Taylor? He goes, Well, Teo was crying last night when I tried to interview him coming out of his room, so I got Taylor, and I was like, nah. I looked at him right in the eye and I said, nah. That's what we want. Well, I want that. I want that emotion. I want that raw emotion. He's like, he was about to pull out of the fight. I was like, but did he? He's like, no. I'm like, nah, I want that raw emotion. You gotta have a little crazy in you. But when you harness that crazy, it's like Dragon Ball Z, Kamehame, motherfucking ha.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:23

Yeah, he got that anime energy. He got that anime energy, bro.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:28

Yeah, but you know Coach Dave said, uh, no, no, NBC A Raz says a win is a win. Yeah, a win is a win, but he's a win. It's delayed, though. So a win's a win, but how you win matters.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:41

I mean, he's definitely Shakur can definitely win this fight. I mean, most people think Shakur is gonna win this fight anyway. I just think T.O. got something for him. Something.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:51

Coach Dave says, real quick, Willie, I don't mean to cut you off, but it's delayed. So Coach Dave says, Great points, guys. I feel that Shakur needs to show out this fight. And if TO beats him, it just validates T.O. more either way. Let's hope for a good fight. So he's kind of beaten around the bush here, but that wasn't my question. Um, yo, Coach Dave, my question was though, and I'm not trying to come at you, but my question was, do you think Shakur of right now, this version of Shakur, is better than the version of Lomachenko that Tio fought? And let me remind you, real quick, Coach Dave. He also has a podcast and he's a renowned trainer. Coach Dave, let me remind you, Lomachenko was in pound for pound 1-1A talks when Tio fought him. So answer that question. And and if if you can answer that question as yes, then why isn't Shakur in top two pound for pound talks? Who that my dad. Fix that little screen. Why he driving? Your dad's driving? No. Oh, yo, I'm coming in. Yeah, now pull up. Coach Dave, answer that question. This is the last segment of the show, by the way. Follow, follow us. Like, subscribe, tap, tap, tap, whatever, whatever, whatever. Um, we're new to this. The screen is small on YouTube because if you're on your phone, it's bigger, and I don't know how to fucking fix it. So fuck me. Uh, Coach Dave says, to answer your question, no, I don't believe Shakur is a better version of uh Loma. Bang! That's all I needed, and that's what I'm going with fucking Tio. Cause yeah, Shakur is great, Shakur's defensively sound, but is he proven? No. When Tio fought Loma, Loma was proven. Loma was proven. He was breaking records. Loma was the best boxer I've ever fucking seen. And Tio got better. And Tio shows up and he don't duck nobody.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:56

Yo. Now, this is the I hope this is a great fight, though. And A lot of people's going with Shakur and I hope the ring, I hope.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:03

I hope I hope the ring is medium size. I hope we don't go with this big ass ring. If it's oh, he's gonna move. Yeah, cuz because I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:11

I mean, that's good. That's good for uh Jermaine Ortiz.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:15

Uh Coach Dave says, all good guys, great show. Yo, shout out to you, Coach Dave. We'll have you on the show sometime too. It'll have to be remote, but shout out to you. Uh listen, the the ring size matters here, and and I want like a regular medium-sized ring. I'm talking not 2220. I want a 20, 20-foot ring. That's perfect. So uh it's free to think says Shakor doesn't have the power to stop TO out. Box him. Yes, KO, hell no. Hell no. Bet the distance. Um, that's it. Let's lock it in. Let's give our Sparley.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:51

Hey, before we end, how many fights are you doing?

SPEAKER_07 2:00:54

Three. The three ones I talked about. Um Sparlay. Oh, okay. You remember? No. Yeah. Yo, it's snowing. I'm about to drive Willie home drunk.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:04

Yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:05

Just kidding. Just kidding. I'm fine. Test me.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:09

Uh damn, I gotta go to work.

Adames vs Ammo Williams Breakdown

SPEAKER_07 2:01:12

Appreciate you too, Coach Dave. Uh, have you on the show for real, bro? It's it's gonna be remote, like I said, but we are working men, just like you, sir. All right, Sparley. Before we get there though, we gotta shout out who keeps us going? Empire Nutrition. Empire Nutrition. You all see me, you all see me. I'm drinking, I'm fucking wild. Uh who is this guy? Who the fuck is this guy? What the fuck is he doing? Oh my god. You know what keeps me going? Empire Nutrition. Vitamins, supplements, fucking pre-made meals. Pre-made healthy meals. All the calorie count was on there for you, losers of LA Fitness.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:54

Bang!

SPEAKER_01 2:01:55

Bang!

SPEAKER_07 2:01:55

Bang! And it's good. The Buffalo chicken meatballs are great. Shout out to Empire Nutrition, man. Uh, if you want to order pre-made meals, order them up. Use code SPAR, get 10% off. Boom. Thanks for playing t-shirts. Next, next people. People are looking at us like, wow, we could run our business through them.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:16

Thanks for playing t-shirts. Great fucking t-shirts. I don't know what the hell they're doing, but but the t-shirts they have on their site will still get delivered to you. Order them. Great t-shirts. I'm also giving one out for free. Native boxing club. Left hook J says native boxing club. That's where it all started. That's where the relationship started, baby. Don't worry. Yo, yo, relax. Relax, Jamal. We we got you, bro. Or Jay. Jamal tells white people his name's Jay. Jay. Relax.

unknown 2:02:44

Relax.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:46

We out here, baby. Hey, out. That's it. Like, follow, subscribe, tap, tap, tap. Uh, hit the DMs. Hit the fucking DMs because I'm going to the way in.

SPEAKER_01 2:02:57

Yeah, the giveaway too, you know. I'm saying make sure y'all getting a giveaway.

SPEAKER_07 2:03:03

He said he gave a fucking laugh face. Jay. I wrote him. Never mind. Yo, we out. Yo, thanks for taking. I know this is a long show, but we have the best boxing card of the year in the first month of the year. Shushu. Oh shit. We didn't talk about the Sparley though. Oh, no.

SPEAKER_01 2:03:23

I mean, we gave it earlier.

SPEAKER_07 2:03:25

Sparley. Sparley right here. I gotta remember. Jarel Miller Stoppage. Carlos Sedame Stoppage. Jarrell Miller Stoppage. Carlos Sedame stoppage. Bruce Shushu Carrington. Stoppage. K O T K O, either or, whatever the fuck you got. Stoppage. That's the Sparlay. Lock it in. Plus money. Let's get this fucking money.

SPEAKER_01 2:03:45

That money part was crazy.

SPEAKER_07 2:03:46

Catch us on the floor. We out. Later.