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Do I wish that we lived in"},{"speaker":"Emily Kircher-Morris","startTime":1534.05,"endTime":1539.15,"body":"a world where we didn't need"},{"speaker":"Emily Kircher-Morris","startTime":1539.15,"endTime":1542.0,"body":"labels, and people could just"},{"speaker":"Emily Kircher-Morris","startTime":1539.15,"endTime":1542.0,"body":"have accommodations that would"},{"speaker":"Emily Kircher-Morris","startTime":1542.0,"endTime":1545.57,"body":"meet whatever those needs are?"},{"speaker":"Emily Kircher-Morris","startTime":1542.0,"endTime":1545.57,"body":"Absolutely. But we are not there"},{"speaker":"Emily Kircher-Morris","startTime":1545.57,"endTime":1550.97,"body":"yet. 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And when when you"},{"speaker":"Emily Kircher-Morris","startTime":1665.39,"endTime":1666.77,"body":"went to access those."},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":1667.28,"endTime":1669.5,"body":"I love that."},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":1667.28,"endTime":1669.5,"body":"And thank you for sharing that."},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":1669.5,"endTime":1675.53,"body":"I think that is really"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":1669.5,"endTime":1675.53,"body":"intelligent. And beautifully"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":1675.56,"endTime":1677.81,"body":"said, and I'll kind of just"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":1675.56,"endTime":1677.81,"body":"leave it at that because I don't"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":1677.81,"endTime":1683.21,"body":"really have much more to add"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":1677.81,"endTime":1683.21,"body":"than what you added. 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It was a"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2663.85,"endTime":2668.47,"body":"pleasure talking again, and I'm"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2668.47,"endTime":2671.92,"body":"glad that we were able to"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2668.47,"endTime":2671.92,"body":"connect on a different level."},{"speaker":"Emily Kircher-Morris","startTime":2672.91,"endTime":2674.62,"body":"Absolutely."},{"speaker":"Emily Kircher-Morris","startTime":2672.91,"endTime":2674.62,"body":"Thanks so much for having me."},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2675.58,"endTime":2677.47,"body":"Thanks for"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2675.58,"endTime":2677.47,"body":"listening to this episode of"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2677.47,"endTime":2681.64,"body":"successful with ADHD. I hope it"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2677.47,"endTime":2681.64,"body":"helps you on your journey. 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