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Amen."},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2031.64,"endTime":2037.76,"body":"So Jamie, if people want to"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2037.76,"endTime":2042.1,"body":"master their flow using your"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2037.76,"endTime":2042.1,"body":"flow, Joe system and understand"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2042.1,"endTime":2046.3,"body":"how to maximize their ADHD"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2042.1,"endTime":2046.3,"body":"potential. Where can they find"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2046.3,"endTime":2047.56,"body":"you? They can find me"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2047.56,"endTime":2050.2,"body":"on my website,"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2047.56,"endTime":2050.2,"body":"which is just my name.com,"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2050.86,"endTime":2054.76,"body":"Jamie, toyn.com and, yeah, I"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2050.86,"endTime":2054.76,"body":"have a, I have a sort of a"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2054.76,"endTime":2059.02,"body":"diagnostic tool. It's, it's very"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2054.76,"endTime":2059.02,"body":"bare bones, but it's just, you"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2059.02,"endTime":2061.92,"body":"know, in an Excel spreadsheet at"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2059.02,"endTime":2061.92,"body":"the moment, but there's a bunch"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2061.92,"endTime":2064.56,"body":"of questions on there, sort of"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2061.92,"endTime":2064.56,"body":"like a quiz, and you can, it's"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2064.56,"endTime":2068.22,"body":"sort of diagnosed. It's like a"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2064.56,"endTime":2068.22,"body":"diagnostic tool that runs you"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2068.46,"endTime":2071.4,"body":"through a bunch of questions,"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2068.46,"endTime":2071.4,"body":"and you can suddenly get a feel"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2071.4,"endTime":2075.54,"body":"for where you are on that scale"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2071.4,"endTime":2075.54,"body":"of burnout and flow at this"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2075.54,"endTime":2078.42,"body":"present moment. So it's kind of"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2075.54,"endTime":2078.42,"body":"fun to check out. So that's free"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2078.42,"endTime":2082.34,"body":"that, and that's, that's Jamie"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2078.42,"endTime":2082.34,"body":"towing, com slash flow finder."},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2083.06,"endTime":2085.7,"body":"Well, Jamie,"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2083.06,"endTime":2085.7,"body":"thank you so much for being on"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2085.7,"endTime":2089.18,"body":"the pod. It's been a pleasure"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2085.7,"endTime":2089.18,"body":"working with you professionally"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2089.18,"endTime":2093.98,"body":"and personally, and now getting"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2089.18,"endTime":2093.98,"body":"to learn even more into your"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2093.98,"endTime":2098.84,"body":"system, and I know you have such"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2093.98,"endTime":2098.84,"body":"an open mindset and a growth"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2098.84,"endTime":2104.86,"body":"mindset. I. And I know if we"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2098.84,"endTime":2104.86,"body":"when we speak in a year from now"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2104.86,"endTime":2107.5,"body":"and two years from now, you're"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2104.86,"endTime":2107.5,"body":"going to be doing like 10 other"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2107.5,"endTime":2112.48,"body":"amazing things with flow and"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2107.5,"endTime":2112.48,"body":"ADHD and, you know, business and"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2112.48,"endTime":2115.72,"body":"public speaking, I'm sure. So I"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2112.48,"endTime":2115.72,"body":"can't wait to keep up with you"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2115.72,"endTime":2118.48,"body":"along your journey. I know you"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2115.72,"endTime":2118.48,"body":"are a lifelong learner, and"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2118.48,"endTime":2121.32,"body":"that's part of your values as"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2118.48,"endTime":2121.32,"body":"well. So thank you for your time"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2121.32,"endTime":2123.96,"body":"today. It really is invaluable."},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2121.32,"endTime":2123.96,"body":"Oh,"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2123.96,"endTime":2125.88,"body":"thank you so much."},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2123.96,"endTime":2125.88,"body":"It's lovely to hang out with you"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2125.88,"endTime":2128.52,"body":"again. Brooke, yeah, I hope to"},{"speaker":"Jamie Toyne","startTime":2125.88,"endTime":2128.52,"body":"speak soon. Absolutely."},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2129.06,"endTime":2130.98,"body":"Thanks for"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2129.06,"endTime":2130.98,"body":"listening to this episode of"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2130.98,"endTime":2135.12,"body":"successful with ADHD. I hope it"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2130.98,"endTime":2135.12,"body":"helps you on your journey, and"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2135.12,"endTime":2139.02,"body":"if you need any additional"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2135.12,"endTime":2139.02,"body":"support for you or a loved one"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2139.02,"endTime":2141.8,"body":"with ADHD, feel free to reach"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2139.02,"endTime":2141.8,"body":"out to us@coachingwithbrooke.com"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2144.14,"endTime":2148.1,"body":"and all social media platforms"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2144.14,"endTime":2148.1,"body":"at coaching with Brooke. And"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2148.1,"endTime":2152.6,"body":"remember, it's Brooke with an E,"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2148.1,"endTime":2152.6,"body":"thanks again for listening. See"},{"speaker":"Brooke Schnittman","startTime":2152.6,"endTime":2153.5,"body":"you next time you."}]}