Why ADHD Makes Planning Feel Impossible and What Can Help with Gillian Gossow

Have you ever been genuinely excited about a trip, only to realize you never booked the one thing you couldn't wait to do? If you've ever wondered why there's such a frustrating gap between wanting something and actually making it happen, this episode is for you.

This week, I'm joined by my longtime best friend, Gillian Gossow, founder and CEO of Bad Girls Yoga & Pilates. After traveling together for more than 20 years, Gillian has had a front-row seat to the unique challenges ADHD can create when planning vacations, group trips, and bachelorette weekends. We talk about executive function, travel anxiety, nervous system regulation, and the small shifts that can make traveling with ADHD feel so much easier—without the guilt or shame.

Episode Highlights

[0:31] - The Paris story that perfectly illustrates the ADHD planning gap.

[2:06] - Meet Gillian Gossow and why she's the perfect guest for this conversation.

[4:24] - Looking back at years of traveling together and what changed once ADHD entered the conversation.

[8:46] - How adding structure and shared planning completely transformed our California trip.

[12:32] - What Gillian has learned from planning hundreds of bachelorette yoga and Pilates experiences.

[16:04] - Why ADHD brains often struggle with executing plans—and how delegation changes everything.

[21:29] - Managing travel anxiety, group dynamics, and overstimulation before they spiral.

[25:48] - Simple breathwork techniques that help calm the ADHD nervous system in just a few minutes.

[31:07] - Why every ADHD traveler needs a "dive buddy" for support and co-regulation.

[32:46] - Practical scripts you can use to ask for help before your next trip.

[35:46] - Why your vacation doesn't have to be perfect to become one of your favorite memories.

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Transcript

Gillian Gossow: 0:00

You don't need to do an hour of yoga. You don't need to sit for 20 minutes and have a mantra. If you can do this, or meditate, or box breathe, whatever. If you get 10 seconds total in five minutes, where you did it and you were truly present, the benefits of that cannot be put into words. You don't need to do three minutes perfectly, or it was a waste. A few seconds of true rest for your brain is worth an hour of sleep.

Brooke Schnittman: 0:31

Welcome to Successful with ADHD. I'm Brooke Schnittman. Let's get started. Hey everyone, I've been to Paris twice. Lucky for me, the first time my ex and I went to Versailles. However, when we went, the museum was closed two ADHD years at the time, not even realizing we had ADHD. We only got to see the gardens, beautiful. But I remember thinking, I want to see the inside, I want to see what it's actually in there years later. I'm going back to Paris. My bestie, Jillian, here today asked me what I want to do, and I tell her I want to finally see the inside of Versailles, not just the gardens this time, the actual palace. I heard it was beautiful. She says great bucket. Well, if any of you know anything about ADHD, which I know you know, I didn't book it, and I told myself I will. I knew I wanted to, but when it came time to actually sitting down and making the reservation to go through the steps to execute the plan after trying to figure out my flights and everything else, something just didn't happen. And then we get there, we arrive in Paris, and Versailles completely sold out for the dates were there. So I missed the one thing I had actually said I wanted to do, and that gap between genuinely wanting something and being able to make it happen is what we're talking about today, and more importantly, what you can actually do about it. So, I'm Brooke Schmittman, and this is Successful with ADHD. And my guest today is Jillian Gassow, founder of CEO of Bad Girls Yoga and Pilates, but more importantly, for this conversation, she's one of my besties since high school, that's right, high school. I'm not disclosing my age right now, but it's been about 22 years, maybe 24 if you do the math. And she's traveled with me to Colombia, Cuba, Croatia, Paris. She's watched me navigate planning trips, she's seen what works, she's seen what doesn't work, and she's learned some things that I think a lot of you need to hear, especially if the person trying to plan a bachelorette weekend, a girl trip, or really any group event where the pressure lands on you to pull it all together. So, we're going to start by talking about what actually is happening when someone with ADHD tries to plan a trip, then we're going to move into something I think is even more important, like how to calm your nervous system before a high stimulation situation, so you can actually enjoy the things that you planned if they do get planned, and we're going to tie it all together. So this episode is for the person who has told themselves they're bad at planning for the one who feels they're letting people down, and for anyone who's wondering why they can't get excited about an idea and can't seem to make it happen. So I'm here to tell you that the gap isn't always something that's personal, it's fixable. Jillian just going to help me show you what that actually looks like from the perspective of someone who's watched it happen to us up close. So one of the things I want to talk about today is something that happens a lot with ADHD and planning. Jillian, there's a gap between having an idea and executing it, and most people with ADHD don't realize how wide that gap actually is. So, Jillian, can you help us show what that looks like in real life? Because you've watched it over and over again with me when we travel together. What do you notice about how I approach planning, what's the disconnect you've seen?

Gillian Gossow: 4:24

Well, we've done very, very different trips. When we go back to when we were younger, our trips basically consisted of going out to the Hamptons, and in those situations, other than booking the hotel, that was really all we needed to do, because we had our friends out there, there were parties and events, and it was just that's what we did. So, planning at that, when you're in your early 20s, is not a big deal. Then we had a few other trips that were kind of already planned for various reasons. I guess the first big one was Columbia, and we actually didn't plan that to. Other, we ran into each other in the airport with our prospective boyfriends, and we're like, oh, we're both going to Colombia, let's hang out, but in that case, nothing, everything was planned by those boyfriends, and it was a great trip, other than the boyfriends weren't the best boyfriends in the end of the day, but other than that, we had a great time, then we did Cuba. Cuba was nice, I think, and that was very different. Obviously, Cuba is such a unique trip, and you can't just go and make reservations. It's pretty strictly regulated trips. So we went with a service who literally planned to the second our transportation, our events, like you had to go and do actually certain service requirements. We went to a nursing home and a daycare and all those things. So done. Then was Croatia. We went with the third person who is like type A planner. She probably missed her calling as a travel agent. Yes, not. We didn't lift a finger for a single thing. Then came Paris, and in your defense, Paris was so last minute for you. You not only had to deal with, you know, having ADHD and helping to plan, you had to deal with the stress of, you booked it five days before, six days before. Yeah, you were just like texting me out of nowhere, you were like I'm gonna go, I was like, oh, okay, so you had that stress on top of it, which honestly anybody would feel, so you were joining a trip that I was already planning as being by myself, I go to Paris by myself quite a bit, so I noticed that was the first time I really noticed your anxiety around traveling, and your kind of inability to execute on booking things, and I think I made the mistake of just assuming, like, you don't really care, because, like, you're not, you're not booking anything, you must not really care too much, so, like, no big deal, we'll just kind of do what I want to do, because she, she's fine to just kind of wing it, but Versailles was, I kept saying, like, what do you want to do? Versailles was the one thing I don't think you asked for anything else, and I said, great, book it, whatever day you want. We got closer and closer to the end of the trip, like, finally I was like, are you going to book it, and as you said, it was too late, and I realized you were really disappointed by that, and that's when I realized, oh, like, her enthusiasm is the same as mine or anyone else. She's just as excited to be in Paris as I am, but it was that execution, that final step, that you just like could not pull the trigger for, and I realized, if only I had just offered to do that would have taken me five minutes, and then everyone could have done what they wanted to on the trip. So that's when I realized traveling with someone with ADHD without a tour guide takes a little bit of understanding and effort on the person who is traveling with that individual, exactly, unless we hyper focus, and we almost become OCD on all of the details. I like, didn't lack desire. There was literally a mismatch between motivation for me and finishing that last step. And yeah, most people assume that you don't want it, and if you wanted it, you'll do it. So that is not true. So then we went to, well, I went to California to visit you recently. Can you tell me, like, the difference in that trip, like what you realized after our trip to Paris. How you would accommodate essentially my ADHD. Yeah, well, I remember I was very clear with you texting you like, what is there anything specific you want to do? And then I gave you examples of like we could do this, we could do that, we could do this without, you know, I gave it very, very clearly. And then I was planned to go and make those things happen, so you clearly, you very clearly knew what you wanted to do. Wasn't like I gave you two options and you had no preference, if you had a preference, and I tried to make sure that those were the things that we did, but I knew that I needed to initiate that conversation, or there was a chance you were going to come visit me, and maybe there were things you wanted to do, and you weren't going to get to do them, and that's so important to me, that someone that's coming all the way to California to visit me is going to walk away and have had a great time and fulfilled their expectations of it, so I think after Paris, I just realized that I need to be a little bit more of the person that's like, okay, what do you want to do, and then I'll figure it out from there, which I don't mind at all to do. It's such a small thing to ask, and especially if it's someone you're close to, they don't mind, they'd rather. Know that their friend or family member is happy. Yeah, I mean, I definitely was happier in the moment, and less stressed, and more present when the structure was there, and that removed the shame of needing that support. Did you notice that too? Oh, yeah, I mean, you were definitely seemed, at least to me like relaxed, having a good time. We had our downtime when we needed it. We went and did activities when we wanted to, you know, even when we were out. I would say, "Okay, would you rather do this or this, go to this restaurant, go see this, or go home? Like, and you were like this, and that was kind of what we did, but I felt no anxiety at all from you, you know, it's a less stressful trip, right? Like you're in California, staying in my home, Paris, we don't speak the language, it's a whole different ballpark, but I definitely noticed that, yeah, Paris, it took me like four or five days to come to, yes, but then you did, just in time to leave. Yeah, did you notice a difference in not only the California trip, but in the other trips that were planned out for us, both of us? Just less anxiety, I think. The first few days in Paris, you definitely were anxious, you know, there's no.. there was no hiding that. The other trips, I didn't even feel that. And we're talking about Cuba, like that's a pretty big trip that most people.. I don't think I know a single person that's ever been there, you know. It's a totally different experience, and I didn't feel neither of us had any anxiety whatsoever, because it was planned. I just don't think I realized that that is what affects your level of anxiety, is somebody helping plan or not. I didn't realize until Paris. Yeah, and the funny thing with Cuba, you remember we had it all planned out with the planner, yeah, and there was a document left on the airplane, and then the first day we were there, we had to wait in the airport, and we like that whole first day was shot, but I still wasn't anxious at that point. No, I think we were more just annoyed by annoyed. I mean, to be honest, until you said that, I totally, totally forgot it, right? Yeah, these are such a great trip, that's how little an anxious event it was, that I honestly, till you said that, would not have remembered it. So, yeah, that just tells you the difference. Yeah, Jillian, from your perspective, running Bad Girls Yoga and Pilates, you probably see brides and maids of honors dealing with the same thing that you've noticed in me in the parish trip, and then in the California trip. How often do you hear from someone planning a bachelorette and feeling stuck in that execution place? So, I started Bagirls Yoga about five years ago, and basically it's private yoga and Pilates for bachelorette parties, mom getaways, birthdays, corporate classes. So I'm dealing with a lot of different people of different ages planning different private events, and it's been five years of this, so I've seen it all. But you can definitely tell there are these anxious type A planners that want every little detail planned a year in advance, you know. We'll have people who want to book a year and a half, two years in advance for a bachelorette party. And then there'll be people that reach out maybe three or four months in advance, they're like,"Great, super interested, send me a booking link, and they vanish. And then two days before, they're like, "Oh my gosh, I meant to do this. I didn't do this. Is it too late? And then very often it is, because we do book in advance, and that's so disappointing. And then they have to go back to the person they were planning this event for, whether that's the bride to be or the rest of their family, whatever, and tell them that this event isn't available anymore. And so I can see there's almost like an embarrassment or a disappointment in themselves when really they did the research, they found that they wanted a bad girls yoga and pilates class, they did the hard part, it was that last like clicking the booking link, remembering to do that, and so I see that often, and it breaks my heart, I want them to experience our classes. They're so special, but you can very easily tell how what a person's mind is like. And so we've, over the years, we now try to send those follow-ups for people through text and email, just to make sure that if a person did forget, we're making it as easy as possible. But it's really, really common, and I hope people know that, that if you feel like you're just so scatterbrained you can't get it right, it's 50% of the people that reach out, it's not uncommon whatsoever, it's nothing to feel bad about. Yeah, no, I mean, ADHD or not to plan about. A party, I remember doing that for my sister. How many people? Yeah, it was a little insane. And then you couldn't make everyone happy, and I was stressed the f out. So I can only imagine what brides and maids of honors want to, what happened to them in the process, being 95% there, and they just like can't click the checkout link, right, because one person changed their mind, or they're waiting on this other person, there's too much working memory going on, and too many competing details, and that's so unfortunate, because even then the bride, the bride, let's say the maid of honor is usually a family member or your best friend, typically, right? Dave, the bride wants that person to have the best time, they want it to be so special, and it almost backfires putting them in that situation, because it almost stops them from being able to enjoy that, so nobody wins in those situations, you know. Totally, and we're going into the summer, so I think a lot of my listeners are the person who wants to plan the trip, and maybe they're the maid of honor in the case of the bachelorette. So they said yes to running the girls' weekends, and if you have ADHD, that can feel like you're setting yourself up to fail, being the please, yeah, people, please, are saying yes, but you know the execution is likely going to be hard. What do you notice, Jillian, from the perspective of running bad girls yoga and Pilates, when someone's trying to run the whole thing on their own, it's so much to ask of someone, whether it's 17 people like you had, or a group of five. I think for a bride to be out there to just recognize how much that is to ask of someone. Most of the time, they probably don't know everyone in the house, it's friends from throughout the Brad to be life, and so I just notice the overwhelming pressure that these people feel, because it's not just booking the bachelorette yoga or Pilates class, it's dinners, it's beach days, it's excursions, it's whatever it may be, like you are asking someone to single-handedly plan a group for five to 20 females, and then also the house, so they all have to share and get gift bags, and I mean it's just a lot. So I would say I think Brad to be, I would, I would recommend that they truly have this conversation with the person they're asking, and be like, How can I help you plan? I'm so happy you're going to plan this, and you're my maid of honor. Who do you think would be good to help you plan some of this stuff? Like, would you like me to help you plan some of this stuff? Don't just throw something in someone's lap and assume, though, that's your role. Try to think you know your best friend, you know your sister, you know if they have ADHD. If they're in that role, so I would just say to think carefully about how you can assist in those situations, if you can. Yeah, and I think for the ADHD are listening, I'm sure people want to help, and we love to help other people and be the yes person, and you might get nervous of the idea of delegation because you don't have the plan in your head, but what I found in my later years and in coaching is that literally just giving certain job responsibilities to someone else that I don't even touch has been helpful, like I do this part of the chip, you do that part of the chip, and then that's it, right? So it's a great idea, be okay with giving that away, because ultimately, if they are good friends of yours, you are going to probably have a similar taste and a similar vision. So, for your sister's bachelorette, did you do that, or did you literally? No, I did not do that. I was young, and I thought I could do it all by myself. I love that story. I just love the story of doubt. I don't want to, I don't want to think of you suffering. I don't, but like it was funny. No, the best part was that my sister said I want to do all of these things now, execute them. Yeah, exactly right. So it was her vision, and I'm like, all right, you're taking my worst thing and trying to run with it, so I did execute, I did execute it with some friction from some of her friends, but anyway, yeah, yeah, okay, so I think some other things that you've helped me with is like. Mapping, like, if I have the whole trip kind of like mapped out in my head, right, asking you in this like situation, can I send you a list of things I want to book and have you pull the trigger on them, so I don't have to like think about that thing, because it still becomes our trip, right, but we're delegating just that one step, and that's the sticking point that we've noticed. So, if you want a yoga or Pilates session for your group, you give Jillian the company name, the city, the date, and answer to handle the inquiry and booking. Right, that experience is still the person's, the initiation is just shared 100% even send them the link. Here's the link to the website. Everyone usually in a bachelor party is Venmoing each other anyway, so if they're putting the deposit down, it all kind of ends up being something that's split around, so that doesn't really matter who's doing that. Just pick the things you really care about if you're the planner and just ask someone you trust or know in the group, like, can I send you a handful of things, like, for you to book? I think these, you know, the bride approved, she wants to do them, but it's just a little much for me to book all of them, and most people are like, sure, yes, it's just that the hard part is coming up with the ideas, it's not that final part for a person without ADHD, that's actually the way it goes, but it's the opposite, exactly, exactly. So, before we mentioned the anxiety that I had around traveling on our big last trip to Paris, it took me like four days to calm my nervous system down, and I think we were spending six or seven days there, so it was more than half the time, and I almost at that point was having like panic attacks with flying. Yeah, it wasn't necessarily going somewhere new, but I was just so highly anxious, and then I know with bachelorettes, you know, you could be dealing with like group dynamics, and that anxiety can get worse when everything else isn't handled. So, can you talk about what you've observed in Bachelorette Weekends? So, I, when I started the company, it was just me, so I was teaching all of the groups. I was living in Charleston, and that's that was it. It's expanded all over the country now. I teach very little, and there are other teachers, but I did by myself for long enough to get the idea, and you can tell immediately the energy when you walk into a room if it's people that maybe aren't, you know, gelling together or if it's a bunch of people that know each other and they're just like having the best time. So I started starting every single class. I say, before we begin, everyone go around and say your favorite thing about the bride to be, and it's this icebreaker. You can just feel the tension kind of drop, because everyone is there because they love the bride. So it's this thing where everyone can kind of remember, perhaps, while they're there, it's not about they didn't like the Airbnb, this person, or they didn't like this or that. It's kind of just unconsciously makes everyone remember the point of the whole weekend and just slow down. It also takes away pressure. You may sign up for a Pilates class because the bride wants that, but you've never taken Pilates, and you're like nervous, that's just such a everybody just relaxes. It's not our classes are not about pressure, it's less about the yoga and Pilates, and more about just an event that you all can remember and bond a little bit during. Yeah, so I would say finding the common denominator, which is that you all love the bride, and focusing on that might be a good way to deal with, like, any tension in the house, and also just remember it's a couple days, let it roll off your shoulders, this is just supposed to be fun, like you're all on a beautiful vacation. It's not going to be perfect. Things go wrong when you travel for every trip you take, no matter where it is - Paris, Charleston, Miami, whatever. And to just prepare yourself that everything isn't going to be perfect, and come back to the point that you love this person so much, and you get to celebrate her, and that's the whole point. Totally, yeah. The best laid plans obviously don't happen, and aren't perfect as they are on paper. We know with ADHD, it's fundamentally a dopamine and norepinephrine regulation issue. So, when you're just regulated, like I was, my executive function completely shut down, so my logical brain was not working, and that's why, like, panic and executive function problems are often showing up together. But yoga, in your specific business, yoga and Pilates do something else, they regulate the nervous system, breath work. For an ADHD brain that's frequently in a fight or flight state, we do need our ADHD hierarchy of needs. We do need that mindfulness. I do know that Pilates, in particular, requires body awareness and sequencing, and that activates the prefrontal cortex, the part of the brain that's underactive in ADHD, so you're literally exercising your executive function while you're moving. Can you share with me from your knowledge of breath work and meditation and mindfulness and other activities that you've done, and even you've done with me to help calm my nervous system and others who are anxious. So, a really simple way, so meditation - the word meditation makes most people just be like, especially if you have ADHD, because it can be harder than running a marathon is the thought of just sitting still, focusing for 10 minutes, five minutes, whatever it is. So, for me, when I teach meditation, and we always end our classes with just a few minutes of trying to kind of find a bit of stillness, is breath work. So, if you've tried meditation, or you can't even bring yourself to try, that's okay, that's also really, really normal, but breath work is very different, because you're focusing on a task, and it's a simple task of counting your breath, and you can set a timer for three minutes, that's all you need, and you would do one of these breathing exercises, a really simple one is the 555551 Okay, so you're going to breathe in through your

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54321, Hold your breath for five, exhale for five, hold at the bottom for five. That's it. It's so simple. Three minutes, just keep going. If you like, lose track, you stop, just go back to it. You feel like a different person after that. We did that together in time. Yes, I remember you telling you to feel about that. It was great, like I knew that I knew about box breathing, breathing. In fact, I teach 4444 and do it four times, but hearing it from you when you're noticing that I was in a state of fight or flight, and like you co-regulating with me was so helpful. Yeah, it's the best, and you, as a teacher, when we're teaching these classes, we're counting it for you as well, and we're timing it for you, but you can do this on your own, and even before you, let's say you're in this Airbnb, and you're stressed about the day, before you open your eyes, before you look at your phone, before you get up and deal with all the people in the house, just do it in your bed before you start the day. I mean, it's just so, so, so helpful. You don't need to do an hour of yoga, you don't need to sit for 20 minutes and have a mantra, and you don't need to think if you can do this, or meditate, or box breathe, whatever. If you get 10 seconds total in five minutes where you did it, and you were truly present. The benefits of that cannot be put into words. You don't need to do three minutes perfectly, or it was a waste. A few seconds of true rest for your brain is worth an hour of sleep. It's really, really powerful. You really don't need to do it perfectly to have it count. Wow, is that true? That's like scientific meditation. Is so it does the same thing for your dopamine levels that actual exercise does. It is really, really powerful. Don't put your pressure on yourself that it needs to be perfect. It's not about that at all. It's just about getting a little bit in, and every time you do it, some days you might be like, "Wow, I was like in the zone. Some days you might be like, "I got three seconds where I was present. It doesn't, it really doesn't matter. I remember I used to do transcendental meditation, and I would have to do it twice a day, because I had that all or nothing mentality, and this is before I knew I had ADHD. So I spent about 44 minutes a day doing it, because it was 20 minutes of meditation, and then two minutes to get into it. Yeah, yeah, I did it because I was hyper focused on doing that, and it really did activate that parasympathetic nervous system until I didn't do it right. Yeah, so now I have a much simpler practice in just like noticing when I'm dysregulated and trying to do that, not to say that that happens all the time, but in the case of planning trips and being on trips with groups, there's like major stimulation and it accelerates, right, and when we become overstimulated with ADHD, I. Again, that's where we get dysregulated, so, but by the time the trip happens, right, you're like fully in, there's alcohol, there's group dynamics, there's

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schedule, and like you have basically no baseline to work from, so if someone's listening and you say,"I'm dysregulated, I can't problem solve, I can't think creatively. I can't access my executive function. I need to actually manage the trip I planned. You need to do something like Jillian, or have someone co-regulate with you, so you can be present and show up when you're there. And what's wild about this, and you know, I, I'm going to call myself out too, is that most of us skip that piece totally when we need it the most. So, when there's too much to do, mindfulness or movement feels like that's the first thing that we need to cut. We just need to hyper focus on the urgency of like what we're going to be planning, and that feels worse when you need it, and obviously we end up doing less because of it. Very, very true. And I would almost look at it like I scuba dive, and you have a dive buddy, you never go alone on a dive. Find a dive buddy for your weekend, someone that you can talk to ahead of time, and be like, sometimes I get overwhelmed, like, maybe you know me, you know that happens, like, can we even have, like, a signal, a word, which means, like, hey, step aside, and like, talk to me for a second, be my dive buddy, go to the bathroom, and take two minutes, and do your box breathing, there's these little things, and you may think, like, oh, how much can that help? It can help a lot, even if it helps you 25% Isn't that worth two minutes of breathing in the bathroom? It's a great tagline. True. Just breathe in the fun. I used to work at a hedge fund, which was so stressful, and I would always take, like, bathroom crying breaks, because it was like the only place, you know, you're in Rockefeller Center, you can't go for a walk in, like the middle of Midtown Manhattan, so it was like the bathroom can become your, your zen, exactly. No, it's so true. Well, first of all, what you're sharing in the ADHD space sounds like body doubling in the form of mindfulness, which is one of the most underrated ADHD tools available. So use it if you have it, and also like for ADHD years or those on the spectrum or other neurodivergence. I know when we get overstimulated, one of the things that I do say is like, just say you have to go to the bathroom and take your drink, and great, if you can't leave, right? I love that. Yeah, so just to wrap up, if we have a trip that is coming up, and we have a travel companion, what I'm hearing from you is to use the language like I have three things I'd love to do on this trip. Would you be willing to handle booking them, so I can focus on getting the rest, or coming up with some of the ideas? Or, if you're the one helping, like, what are the three things? Like, you right, you were helping me. What are the three things that would make this trip feel like yours? Let me handle getting those books. Exactly, give me an idea. Even if that person can't look up restaurants, like they just can't, like sit and look that up. Tell me you want really good Mexican food, because you're going to be in San Diego, and like it's famous for that. And then can you, would you mind picking one and booking it? Like, great, just do something like that. Say ahead of time, like, 'Oh, it's a long trip, I can get kind of anxious. Like, just to give you a heads up, I might need, like, a second to decompress here and there, and to be aware of that. Great, yeah, those little things do your breath work, kind of center yourself. If you're going on a trip with someone you better like them. I won't think you'd go on a trip if you didn't have a nice, like, you didn't want to like them, so lean on them. Yeah, like lean on them. Now, if you're going on a trip with someone you hate, it's a little bit, you might have to be in the bathroom a lot and breathe a lot. I don't know, but when you're with your friend, your family, or even a bachelorette party, or like a mom's getaway, there's going to be one person there that you feel close to and comfortable with. Just, just lean on them. They love you, I love you, or I want you to have fun, you know, like kind of like that. Help me help you, like, yeah, yeah. And, like, not to divert topic, but I think with ADHD, I know in my experience, and those that I have worked with, is that we feel like we have to please everyone, but like, when you know you have that one person, like, it's okay to hold on to that person, and one of the things that I appreciate about having Jillian in my life is that she's watched me struggle with something, and instead of getting. Frustrated or giving up, even when I've said I'm sorry, I'm a mess. She's figured out what I actually need, and you saw the gap between wanting and doing, and you built the structure around it. So you added the piece intrinsically that made it work and helped them understand that, like, we have to move, we have to regulate, and that makes everything else possible, so if you're listening and you're the person planning the trip, or the person traveling with someone with ADHD, or the person who's feeling guilty that you can't just execute the way you want to, this is for you, and you don't need to want less, you can still do the trip and all you need is the right setup, the right person. Yeah, and we had the best time in Paris, even without Versailles. We still talk like the trip was can still be a success, even with not everything going right. Like, we can't wait to go back, and when we go back, guess who's booking Versailles Susan. Versailles, we know, so nothing has to be perfect. We had the best time in Paris. It was such a nice Bonnie experience, and any trip you take can be that way, even again. It doesn't have to be everything you dreamed of, but totally. Yeah. All right. Jillian, any closing thoughts for our listeners? Just don't feel bad, like if you know you have ADHD and you drop the ball on something, don't beat yourself up. I've just seen so many potential clients reach out, and maybe it was too late to book, or maybe they still could, but they're writing me an email apologizing and giving me all these reasons that kids, you don't need to do that, you don't need to feel bad because you have trouble executing things on trips. It's not a big deal. Don't feel bad. And for those who are listening and want to reach out to you, where can they find you? The easiest way, just go to our website, www dot bad girls yoga.com Find us on Instagram or TikTok. Bad girls yoga, send us the DM, that's your easiest way. On the website, there's a little get more info form. Pull that out, somebody will get back to you within the same day. All right, you heard it. If you have been thinking about booking that trip, but you've been paralyzed because of ADHD, make sure you share this with a friend who's also struggling, because we shared some really good nuggets today. Jillian, thank you so much for being on, and I look forward to hearing all of your feedback on Successful with ADHD. Thank you for having me. This was so much fun. Thanks for listening to this episode of Successful with ADHD. I hope it helps you on your journey, and if you need any additional support for you or a loved one with ADHD, feel free to reach out to us at Coaching with brooke.com and all social media platforms at Coaching with Brooke. And remember, it's Brooke with any. Thanks again for listening. See you next time,

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