An Interview with Music Writer Candis Bonner (Part 1)

This week's podcast features guest Candis Bonner, who shares a conversation about lifelong friendship and the evolution of Black media.

Friendship Loss and Reunion
We discuss the pain of losing friends and the rarity of true friendship. Shelley recounts the emotional reunion with his lifelong friend, Jimmy, after 10 years of separation following his homelessness at age 7.

Black Radio Industry History
Candis Bonner, Jimmy’s daughter, shares stories of her career path from Michigan State to a top writer for Black Radio Exclusive in Los Angeles. The episode discusses that syndicated shows, driven by money, ultimately dilute the power of influential local Black radio personalities who could mobilize cities.

Current State of Black Media
Shelley and Candis Bonner agree that effective Black-owned media is virtually nonexistent today because Black-owned media cannot secure financial support or advertising from the business community. Ricky Jones expressed concern that the ongoing struggle is terrifying due to the absolute collapse of Black institutions and shrinking attention spans in younger adults.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:03

Hello, world, and welcome to Shelley's PubLive. Truthful Talk on Tough Topics, hosted by Dr. Shelly Stewart. Shelley started broadcasting in 1949, and he has been on a journey to discover the truth for humanity ever since. And at 91 years of age, Shelley still sits down before the microphone as he pursues answers to tough topics, challenging us to change the experience of being human and our outlook on humanity. Ladies and gentlemen, I am honored to present the newest member of the Radio Hall of Fame and the oldest podcaster in the world. Get ready, here comes Shelly.

SPEAKER_03 1:28

He did me so bad, Mark. I know. That's what we do. Yeah, you know, and then he accused us of double teening him. Yeah. First, ladies and gentlemen, wherever you are, we are so happy that you're doing with us this week. We have a we promised you last week that uh we would invite a young lady who, by the way, is with us this part today. And but uh between that time I had to talk with Ricky and kind of cool him down something. Oh god, here we go again. Here we go again. What do you what he did? Well, Sally, because uh you're a preacher?

SPEAKER_02 2:10

I never said any such thing like that. Do you do you have a preacher's license? What do you have a preacher's license? Do you drive a tractor trailer? No, I don't, but do you have a client?

SPEAKER_06 2:25

And I do not have a tractor, I don't I don't have a CDL, I don't have a pilot's license. Do you have a license?

SPEAKER_02 2:34

Yes or no, pop. Do you have a preacher's license?

SPEAKER_03 2:37

Just because I have one does not mean I have to use it.

SPEAKER_06 2:41

You got a preacher's license, or you're a preacher. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 2:43

You're a preacher, ladies and gentlemen.

SPEAKER_02 2:53

You don't know what you're in for, sister. They'll lead you down dark paths. I'm telling you. They'll lead you down dark paths.

SPEAKER_03 2:59

You call and get to do some policy. And by the way, Ricky, I'm I'm so proud uh of you. Uh I know that you have been doing other work. You're a very busy fella, but but Mark, he's a busy guy. Oh, yeah, I know you. He's always going here doing this and going here doing that. Yeah. On his job over there. Uh not a job, uh what you call teaching. That's not a job, is it?

SPEAKER_01 3:26

Oh, Loblo again. I'm on your side on this one, Ricky. You got the hardest job in the world. Here we go.

SPEAKER_03 3:35

But he he goes, uh he goes all over. Uh I have noticed uh some things he's doing with uh young people. He is in Logo naturally, of course, with us here. And uh I've been noticing him for the past few weeks and so. He has been extremely busy, not only doing the stuff for the university, but outside, he's involved with so much. And uh I just want to say, Ricky, I'm very proud of you, man.

SPEAKER_06 4:04

We are very proud of you. Thank you, Pop. Thank you, old man. I appreciate that. You're nice to me for a minute.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Yeah. A few weeks ago, Shelley, we talked about, you know, you you were said you were crying because I was saying uh all the great things that as a businessman, you you ran a business, you provided a living for all of all the folks you employed, you bought their houses, you bought their cars, you sent their children to school because of what you did. What I wanted to finish was to say, hey, how about those teachers? Um, because you know, you may not realize it, Ricky, but you touch lives every day, and you have influence on lives in years and from years and years to come, you will see someday a student's gonna come back to you and say, you know, you taught me the most important thing, or you changed my life, you had an influence on the way I thought. So, Ricky, here's to you too. Oh man, we gotta love those.

SPEAKER_03 5:00

You're getting it this weekend. Thank you, Mark. Thank you, Mark. I mean, that that's already happening.

SPEAKER_06 5:07

Yeah, that's already happening. I mean, of course, I've been at this for like 30 years, so that's already happening. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:12

Our guest this week is uh, by the way, not only the beginning, but she's also a teacher. Okay, a former teacher. All right. So uh educators, so we've got two educators over here, Mark. Awesome. Uh by the way, ladies and gentlemen, today we want to talk about, I guess, relationships. Sometimes we go through life and we meet people and we forget, uh, we just regret we haven't met some, and there are a few that we remember and just want to stick with all of our lives. Um Ricky brought it to my attention a few weeks ago. A friend of his uh passed, and it really hurt him. I mean, uh I think they met when he was like the first grade, maybe before. Wow. But uh they were there. And uh through life, I've gone through someone said to me many years ago, say if you go through life, and if I have three friends, you probably have one too many. I thought about that and through my life. Uh I've gone through and met so many people, man, millions. Right. But you know, when it all takes and looked at it, and I thought about each time, it would always go back to one guy. All the people I met, there's always been the one. I would say, like, Lord, I wonder what would Jimmy say. You know, and that that's true. I would go through life, wonder what would Jimmy, Jimmy and I, we we we used to do so and so and so. All other things, I'd be in this country, out of this country. I said, Oh man, I wish Jimmy. But I thought about it, uh, when Ricky was going through that more than ever, I guess. Jimmy. And uh Jimmy. So I sitting at the house, and lo and behold, the phone rings. And uh on the other side, on the other end of the line was Jimmy. Not Jimmy in person, but Jimmy. And I said, hello, who's there? And she says, Hey, Uncle Shelly, it's Candice. I've spoken with her before, uh in the past few months, to be honest with you. But never, not ever have we had a conversation the other day. You don't have to look at that mark. I've I've got it recovered. So what happened? She says, What are you doing? I said, I'm sitting here thinking God. She says, What are you doing tomorrow? We'll be there. I said, uh you coming in tomorrow? She said, Yes. I knew she lived in Illinois. It's a long, long thing. Next day she shows up. She and Regina. Another friend, another one in life. But candid show left. And we talked about things that you wouldn't believe. But think about the times when I was just a little boy. Before I left Rosedale, he'd be talking about the years you're coming up. Five years of age, I remember meeting Jimmy. Met him and then at seven years of age, I had to leave. I left Rosedale and became a homeless kid. But I like Jimmy, my older brother, I like Jimmy. We saw Jimmy, Jimmy's the same age as Bubba, my brother. And uh, and lo and behold, the story about all of that. Ten years later, resurfaced in Rosedale. And lo and behold, the first person that I met was Jimmy. Ten years, ten years later. I was so glad to see Jimmy. Don't know why. And I often say I don't know why. Brown cow eats green grass, gives yellow bunny white milk either. But there it was, Jimmy. Hey Shirley. I said, my name is not Shirley anymore. What's your name now? I said, My name is Shelley. I learned my name is Shelley. I was 13 years old, man. Don't call me Shirley anymore. I'm Shelley. And so we had an argument. What you couldn't spell it? I said, hell, I didn't know my name, Jimmy. So we got that across, you know. And lo and behold, there we were. There was 17 years of age, Jimmy, two years older than I. Bubba, older brother, gets killed a few months later after that. Then I go off to the military, come back, and I became the radio personnel. Jimmy did not know who I was all the way in Birmingham. But I decided, after a few, I bought a house. So I bought a home, and a few months later I ran across Jimmy. He says, over there, I said, Jimmy, you only live three blocks from me, man. After all of these years, we ended up being living three blocks apart. Wow. Jimmy had at that time two little children. A little boy and a little girl. And uh that was Candace and uh Kenny, I guess they're Kenny older, and then Candace. And uh anyway, we became friends, that was many years ago. Um every weekend, no one would see each other separately. We would always hang. I mean, we hung men. We hung hung. When I can't tell you how far we hung, none of your business mark. You look at me and they say, tell me, tell me, tell me, I'm not gonna do that. But uh we hung in good places, baby. We did some good stuff. Jimmy loved his children, to raise his children. And one of them, and uh Uncle Shelley didn't talk to him, Uncle, the other one, and lo and behold, they grew. And this lady that I would like to introduce today to the world never had the opportunity. She has uh done so much. Grew up, I called her, didn't call her one name, I call her something else. I don't know if she may want to tell you my nickname. I called her rerun. I'm called rerun. I call her rerun. Every damn thing she ran, rerun, always rerun, so I'd be rerun, and this we went on and did well in school, graduated, uh was getting close to it, and wanted to go to college. We were running together, Jimmy, and I and we looked and this all of a sudden, rerun, going to school. Where are you going? She says, I want to go to Michigan State, I believe it was. Yeah. Okay, Jimmy got a daughter first time. A family member, Jimmy just made it out of Rosedale school. I just made it as well. And then we're talking about a child going to college and at that time going off to college, you know. Going off to college, yeah. And so Candace goes to Michigan State and uh graduates. I mean, no, no. And uh I said, what's she gonna do? He says, I'm a journalist, I'm in whatever that was. She never had a black child could be in this journalism in teaching school and stuff like that. Wow. And uh she says, I want a job, and uh those all other stuff, but I had met a fellow in Atlanta years before. He was a ring salesman for Justin Ring Company, okay, and he wanted to get out of that. I liked him. I recommended he be hired by Capitol Records. Uh Capitol Records hired him three years before Dandis graduated. He had worked through the system up there and opened a major company, a major magazine. It was the so-called Bible, black radio, all of the black radio stations in the United States. It was black radio exclusive that they held on. They play records because of what they recommended. His name was Sydney Miller. Sydney and I became running buddies on that east on the west side. I called Sydney. Sydney, uh, my niece uh is graduating. He listened to Don't Say No More. Don't say anymore. If you recommend her, send her here to California. Wow. And therefore, uh she went to LA and became one of the top writers in the country. Wow. Uh he uh went through and had uh, she'll tell you more because I'll be trying to put it from her. Uh she went through the uh publishing side, writing side, then became a uh a representative for some of the major artists in the country. Not so good. CC and Padilla Bell being together. I would see her with all of the great stars of the country. Uh she was promoting, I mean, big shot. That's not niece, but that's ring run. You know, and that's ladies and gentlemen. I'd like to welcome my niece, my baby, uh, and my friend's daughter. Candace Bonner, welcome to the plumb line.

SPEAKER_09 15:58

Thank you, sir. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_03 16:01

Did I hey? Come on, give it to her.

SPEAKER_09 16:08

Yeah, um thank you, thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 16:11

And uh did I do something wrong with that, Candace? Did I put it all together?

SPEAKER_07 16:15

No, you you did it all together. It was it was great. You know, I uh was telling you uh about how uh I kind of got into the same industry as you did, through you, uh from when I was a teenager. Um in my first little brush with uh uh in the entertainment industry.

SPEAKER_03 16:45

You you're gonna do that. I would not would not have done this, but uh you were a young girl, and I was not gonna tell anyone about this.

SPEAKER_04 16:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:55

But uh you were very young, and I would tell you some places. And uh you wanted to visit uh with me on some of the stuff I was doing, not your daddy, but you.

SPEAKER_04 17:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:07

And uh uh there was a group that was popular in the United States at that time. And you were one of those people. I idolized these people. I couldn't stand them. I was a friend, I was a friend to the daddy, because the daddy and I were friends up in Detroit before they were actually popular. So Joe and I were very close. We traveled the country, and uh they were coming to Birmingham, and go and behold, Candidates wanted to go see this group. And uh was that group? What was that group's name?

SPEAKER_07 17:44

Jackson Five.

SPEAKER_03 17:46

Jackson Five, that's what I was. Yeah, so it's just small. Never heard of him. Yeah, it was Jackson Five. And tell them the story of what happened that that night to Candidates.

SPEAKER_07 17:55

Yeah, well, he he came to pick me up. He he was gonna take me to the concert, and I was just I was like 13, 14 years old, just a uh typical tween. This is my my group, you know, and I was like all excited, and my hair had to be bright, the outfit had to be right, everything had to be bright. Although I I wasn't sure I was gonna get a chance to meet them. I just wanted them, you know, should they look out in the audience, I you know, catch their attention. But anyway, so Shelly goes, Well, you want to meet them? And I'm like, Yeah. And uh, so we go backstage, and he goes off with Joe Jackson, and I'm standing in the backstage by the coke machine. And so Michael and Marlon, they come out. Uh they had changed clothes and everything. And in my little head, I was like, be cool, be cool. That's the only thing that was going through my head. Don't act a fool, don't jump and scream and and do what's what's going on in your head. And so when they came out, I was like, they said, Hey, how you doing? And so I said, Oh, hey, how you doing? You know, just so cool, just so cool. Because I knew you would never let me come back if I acted a fool. If I climbed, that was the end of my little, you know. So they left and you came back, and I was still just star-studded. I was like, oh my lord, I just met them. And it was just amazing to me that you were just walking around these people like they were just regular people. And I was like, do you know who these people are? So I I started that way. And so that's I took that from you when I got in the business, that they're just regular people, and I'm just doing a job that happens to be with people who the world knows. That's a great lesson for me.

SPEAKER_03 20:00

Is that what uh stirred you uh when you went to California? I really would not want to have been there. I know what it is, uh, certainly because we're sitting in the middle at that time and uh been in California. Right. All of the stars that you have heard of, who were my friends. Uh I didn't tell them who you were. I didn't know I wouldn't dare do that. Uh what I wanted you to do it on your own. I know, I know. And uh I would not tell people that candidates, the writer for BRE, was my niece. I wouldn't say that all so uh tell me what how that career started out there. How did you get in and meet with those people?

SPEAKER_07 20:51

Well, once I uh started working with Sydney, uh my job that he hired me to do was call all the black radio stations in in the country, um uh which was about at that time was about 200, 300, uh, and just call each week and find out what are you playing? You know, and you know, I'd go down a list, they'd go down the list that they're like top 20. Um and um we'd uh get all this data and just take it to our uh at that time in the 90s, our I, you know, our tech people and they would uh uh create a column and uh uh a chart of what were the you know the biggest hits at the time. And uh then uh over time, because I worked at the magazine, all the record labels, they would invite me to their different uh meet and greets uh for new artists or established artists, and I got to know all these people. And um, so uh it was just strange to me. Always remembered to remember that they're just people who just, you know, very talented people, but just people. And so uh, you know, Sydney just let me uh gave me my head and let me go out and and do stories on different uh artists that I thought were up and coming. Uh and we would do that for different acts that we come across, and then I'd call radio stations and say, you know, have you heard of this person? Have you heard of this artist or whatever? And uh over time they got to know me, and so they kind of took my um recommendations uh, you know, at heart. And so that's how um I started at VRE, and that's how the different labels got, you know, came to know me. And then, you know, when I moved to Atlanta, naturally anybody who was here in Atlanta who knew me from LA would always call and say, Hey, you want to come work with us? And so that's how I got to be working at MCA from Ernie Singleton, who actually knew I was your niece. But he never told anybody, but he knew I was.

SPEAKER_03 23:17

Yeah, he is uh in the music industry. Matter of fact, Ernie has talked at least two or three times a year. Uh no, I wouldn't dare let him tell anyone who I who you were. I thought it would be damaged to uh let people know at that time that you were the niece of Shelley. You very, very well. You went on from that uh out there dealing with so many people, uh-huh, the articles that you wrote. But you start always working home on the black side. You you you always was I'm I'm black, I'm not gonna go over here to try to pull you over to the thing. Oh yeah. You are black woman uh in the industry that's very, very hard for people, especially black people, and especially black women. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_07 24:14

Oh yeah, but you know, um, you know, the thing about it is that uh because I worked for uh BRE, which was black radio, uh the people from Billboard and uh the other the other trades, they were always trying to get a hook, trying to figure out how we knew what was coming, what was going, you know, what was gonna uh create a trend. They never could because they didn't really I don't know, they just never gave uh black radio its property. So um we were always uh ahead of the game um when it came to trends and what was gonna be who was gonna be big and what was gonna be a crossover and other kind of thing. So um, but you know, I can't I I listened to all kinds of radio because you know, when we were little, you always said listen to everything, you know, be it uh RB, blues, country, it didn't matter. Um so uh that was another thing we had going for us that we knew a lot of different kind of music and a lot of different kind of artists. So um we could sort of jump from genre to genre, whereas some of my other um uh I guess uh people who were in the industry on the other side, they couldn't make the leak to black radio because they knew nothing about it.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

They didn't know anything about black radio and what all black radio was the same.

SPEAKER_07 25:51

Yeah, see they confuse that, you know, what they you know, you get uh what Frankie Crocker was doing in New York, and think of, you know, um what you were doing in Birmingham were the same. Or, you know, radio stations in Detroit were totally different from the radio stations in Chicago, which were totally different from radio stations in LA, which was totally different from radios in South Carolina. So they didn't get it, you know, how we could be so different. We weren't, you know, homogenized just plain old black radio and everybody listens and plays the same music.

SPEAKER_06 26:28

It's could could I stop both of y'all right there for a second, you know, speaking as a person who's not familiar with the industry like you are. I always thought the black radio was pretty much homogenized across the country. Could you explain to me how black radio was different in different markets? And for listeners, you're listening to Shelly's Plumline, the most conscious father-son podcast in the world with the Hall of Famer Shelly Stewart. And we are uh joined this week along with Mark Jamroz, but uh by my father's niece, sister Candace Bonner, who spent many years as a radio and media operative, and she's educating us on the differences in black radio.

SPEAKER_07 27:02

Well, you know, it it it is like uh our culture, it's different. Uh black culture in um Detroit is different from black culture in Chicago because of when the the great migration happened, you know, a lot of Southerners went to Detroit for those uh car jobs, you know, working in plants. But uh it was a whole different kind of black folks in Chicago and a whole different type of black folks in New York. And everybody has their niche of what uh qualifies as um uh urban music. Um in the South, uh we are we our music is more uh Oakland, California than most most people realize. That's why maids was so huge in in the South before it was huge anywhere else, because it's a vibe that uh comes from rhythms and drums, uh bass. It's all different. And each market has its own sound. Uh, like you know, people say the Philly sound uh is totally different from uh the music you hear in New Orleans. Uh the music you hear in Cali is way more poppy than anything you'll hear in Atlanta. They won't play the same music. They have about 10 songs out of you know hundreds that they all play. But everybody else, uh, when you hear about uh local artists blowing up, they started in their their own little market because they had their own flavor, and that flavor was particular to that market. Um sometimes you can move it to another market, and sometimes you couldn't. You just couldn't. People, uh, it's like uh I was talking to a friend of mine, uh Bo from DC, trying to push go-go. Yeah, DC goes to the city. Was like, you know, he tried and he tried, but it was like, no, that's DC. DC is uh, I mean, they are they love some go-go.

SPEAKER_06 29:16

Yeah, that's what I got hit with when I was in college in the late 80s, early 90s, go-go in DC. And I, you know, being from Atlanta, I never heard house music coming up out of Chicago. So same type of a deal.

SPEAKER_07 29:27

Yeah, so it it it depends on the market. It's always work organic. You can't make it happen. It's just it comes from the street. Uh, it's in the neighborhood, it's your local artists and local DJs, and they push and they push and they push. And, you know, every now and then, like I used to tell all new artists, every now and then you'll get a hit. You'll get a hit. But it it's not guaranteed. It was our job to create a hit. But a real hit, it doesn't take much. It doesn't take much because everybody loves it the first time they hear it.

SPEAKER_03 30:07

Before we move forward, there's something that I certainly want to make clear. Ricky asked a great question about black radio. Although there are black radio stations, but in each market, Ricky market, all black radio was not the same. Although they were working there, but there were plenty of black who are on the radio who were afraid to speak to the audience. Right. They were not there to talk and uh educate it all. They would not get involved in actually improving the quality of life and opportunities in the communities. Not all blacks who were broadcasting were the same. It's so true. She went into New York, that was Frankie. There was someone else. There was someone else. In each market, there were different people, and there was normally one guy, not but that was one person, one black. On those patients, that was and they could do anything.

SPEAKER_07 31:27

They could do anything because they knew they knew your power. So they they let you talk.

SPEAKER_01 31:32

I used to listen to the electrifying mojo in Detroit. That was long after seeing after she, uh, because of your age.

SPEAKER_03 31:40

Yeah. Back in those days, Martha G Queen, Mother G Stein. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:45

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:48

You understand? So those days, but very few blacks in cities would actually say open things on the market, even go out and vote. I mean, play the damn records, yeah. But they were afraid to say go out and vote.

SPEAKER_04 32:05

Yeah. That was dangerous.

SPEAKER_03 32:08

It was very it was not the same. Uh it was not the same in every market, uh, which will carry out to another part, and Ricky would land you both come up. Uh possible go into the opportunities that were created, then were taken away because blacks became afraid to see it being because they were afraid they would lose their jobs. Uh and they would hire the white owners would hire a black as who would say, or play music, but don't you talk about the community. Don't talk about the poverty, don't talk about the slavery, don't talk about anything. The owners said, if you talked about that, you could be gone. Oh yeah. With the quickness. This lady here, Candice is there, she's one of them. They had to really go into these markets throughout the United States. Uh, and uh see exactly she would go into St. Marcus, in St. Markets were I mean, they were the blacks then wouldn't talk with her because she was too white, in other words.

SPEAKER_06 33:21

Can I ask Candace something? Candace on that point when you talk about these markets and how they were different, how some would would speak up and some wouldn't. What were the differences that you saw regionally? Obviously, the stereotype is that the markets in the south would be the more repressed markets. Is that myth or reality? What are some of the markets that you thought were the most repressed and the most vocal?

SPEAKER_07 33:42

It's like Shelly said, it depended on the personality, like someone like Shelly Stewart, he could get on and talk about anything. Uh, because he had the power of the community. And as long as as you had the power of the community, because even though you're uh, you know, um you might be going against uh the owners, the owners are a business, okay? They don't want to lose listenership, you know. Nobody buys ads on on radio unless they are sure assured there's a market available to them. So it it depended on the personality. And you had to be uh you had to already have sort of created this uh this aura of I am the man of the people and I can bring thousands of people out in the streets. So once you they know this is possible, you have the power to do that, they kind of leave you alone. They're not happy with you, but they kind of like leave you alone. And that happened at at several radio stations.

SPEAKER_03 34:54

There were so many people.

SPEAKER_07 34:55

One person, one person, one radio, one disc jockey who could who had that kind of toll.

SPEAKER_03 35:01

Mark, Ricky, there were cities that you know after the so-called chivalrights days, blacks who were on radio all of a sudden said how they supported Martin Luther King Jr. Right. Yeah, and during that period that he's talking about, I'm talking about sevenths, eighties, and oh yeah, oh yeah. There were Negroes, black, but I'm sorry, blacks uh on the radio would not welcome Martin Luther King Jr. or mention Martin, but after all of the things then they ran out of what they did or Martin Luther King just a damn lot. That's what I'm getting to. So talk about everybody that said everybody here said going to heaven, ain't going to heaven. Everybody was black ain't dealing with black either. So that's want to make it clear. That's what's being, I don't know about now, or maybe is that the same thing that I'm seeing now on this episode. Uh Candace, maybe we can hold you. Can we hold you there for another week, maybe?

SPEAKER_04 36:13

Uh anything for you.

SPEAKER_03 36:16

Anything for your guys running out here. So uh Ricky, Mark, I know we're running out of time on this episode, and we didn't intend to do this. But Ricky and uh Candace and you, all of your guys, uh of course Candace is now work retarded, retired. I mean, retarded, that's a retarded.

SPEAKER_08 36:38

No, you didn't. No, you didn't.

SPEAKER_06 36:41

I told you, hey, Candice, I told you I told you, Candace, it's a dang this is a dangerous space.

SPEAKER_08 36:49

It's a dangerous space with this man. No, you are once a smart aleck, always a smart aleck. I told you, I warned you, it's a dangerous space.

SPEAKER_03 37:04

I'm a southerner. You're kind of kind of a retirement. Yeah, uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 37:09

Okay. All right. Blame it on the accent if you want to.

SPEAKER_03 37:15

I want to make it clear that media is just then, is a different media now. Blacks at that time had the control of the music that goes in the community. Blacks now do not have any power, any say so of the music that goes in the communities now. And that's on radio as well as television. So we want to kind of discuss that if y'all don't mind. Okay. I didn't give him a chance to jump on me this weekend. Oh, I was a nice guy to him all this week.

SPEAKER_06 38:00

I'm trying, I'm I'm trying to protect my cousin, man. I'm trying to protect my cousin. I know what to do.

SPEAKER_09 38:06

We're gonna get him. Not to worry, we're gonna double-tee him in next week.

SPEAKER_03 38:10

Now that you know, now that you know here we go again. I'm trying to be a nice old man.

SPEAKER_08 38:18

Oh god, here we go. No, no, please don't.

SPEAKER_05 38:24

He attacked you, he attacks you, and then he plays. I'm just a nice old man. I'm I'm completely helpless and vulnerable here.

SPEAKER_03 38:31

I couldn't, I could have made that's a tired old black man. Oh no, I've been through the storm. Oh god, ladies.

SPEAKER_09 38:44

Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_03 38:45

We're coming to the end of this episode. And he said, Thank God. But listen, we want to be with Candace gonna be with Jonas on the next episode. So therefore, I'm gonna say, there's your side. There's my side. And what is that?

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Somewhere in the middle, there is the truth.

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There you go.

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Ladies and gentlemen, see you next week.

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