פרק 35-זה אף פעם לא על הכלים שבכיור+אימאגו

זה אף פעם לא רק על הכלים בכיור +אימאגו

אתם שוב רבים על הכלים, על הטלפון, על האיחור או על זה שאחד מכם לא יוזם מספיק. אבל מתחת לריב הקטן מסתתר לפעמים כאב הרבה יותר ישן: התחושה שאני לבד, לא חשובה, לא מוערכת — או שאף פעם לא אהיה מספיק טוב.

בפרק הזה אני מדברת על גישת האימאגו, על הדרך שבה חוויות הילדות שלנו נכנסות לזוגיות בלי שהזמנו אותן, ועל הסיבה שדווקא האדם שהתאהבנו בו יודע לגעת במקומות הכי רגישים שלנו.

איך מפסיקים לנהל שוב ושוב את אותו הריב, ומתחילים להבין מה כל אחד מאיתנו באמת מנסה לומר?

כי לפעמים זו באמת רק צלחת בכיור.
 אבל לפעמים היא מספרת את כל הסיפור של הזוגיות.

ואם בא לכם לדבר איתי - בכל נושא שהוא - ייעוץ, אימון, קביעת פגישה

או אולי אתם רוצים שארחיב על נושא שחשוב לכם, או שאתם מכירים מישהו עם סיפור מעניין שירצה להתארח בפודקאסט,

אתם מוזמנים לפנות אלי 

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לאינסטגרם
 

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Adler Rama Shikha Meshanet, she tells you. Baitarus, a martilhtofeta kelim kharkah. Avala ta tamid mera kharkah yanta webasov, a neuside the kmutamid. Lunchon mia di gunen, anio seba baitamon, avalatroa raket mashelo citi, lomashonemani yuse atamitim se i al mala eerli, kimani lo eir, klumloikre, vima tamshikil de berelaikachha, beth sheloy il keshiklas sot. The betuh kama de kot, emkwarlo di bwa la kelim, idibraz de shuloroyota, udibrazhi afpan lomari chauto, iamra shuanuhi, uwa marchi bi koti, ithilim notet kolapem shebaem netzadista de levad, bu ithilim notet kolatvarim shu kenose, vesh ish los sam levelem. Beshnema yubetuhim shem Rvim al mashikarat molba erev, aval kihol shik shaftilem, ayabaru, dana lobemet nil chamal salach bakyor, inil khamalat chhusha seshla shutaf, veyuav, lobemet nil kamal s kutoli tchhotechti fatat salachat, unil kamalat khusha, shulokisalon, bi bekut, emravwal kelim, bifnim, dana nisaloli sher shuv levad, veyov nisa lolar gishuf shelhomeshanemayase, uafom loyem spiktov. Vzebedju kanoseshela perik shalan wayom kilifamim, zube metra koseni sharabakyor, avalabepa mim zelorak mema sha la kos, ze alkohol, mashi jimi rabe tu kenu. Belifneshin ethhil ani adaberba perikase beikabil shone kiva, kirov mishem kshivotlikan, en nashim, avalatfusima ele, lo shekim nemigdar, kulanu megimli zugiutim sipur, imrigi shuyot, bimekomoche bema nachnumi vakshim shi rutanu. Azlama nachnu mem Shehim Larriva Lutodava. Ikholio chikamitzachhemy Shriv kaze, Ariva Zeshekhozer, shu, veshu, veshuv, etzizugehadze al khelim, itzizuga chhu al kesef, alzehu mechher, al-Zeshiba telephon, alamishbahashelo, al-Zeshu loyozem, alze shi kolzman me vakere, tal sex, al kinuhayaladim, vechol pamatem umrim, al kwardi barnu alze, bekani rashe be me di bartem, izbar tem, itvakte mftahtem, ulafiluka vatem, matasub fama ba. Aval az, megye yom kadash, korema shukatan, batem shuf boto arriv, o tamishpatim, o toton, o to ka'as, boutathushan ora eit, sheni mile dabe. Azlama, lama anashim intelligentim shu avavim zed zevebe metro zimzugiutuva, mutzimetatzmam shuf veshu veshuf boto bo, kiarbepa mima na knoasimlifto raketan nus sessen imzara sul khan, avaluta ma smaut nimt mithtav, kelim ema nuse, avalani levad, iya ma sma'ut. Ha ikhoro wa nuse, Avalani lokashuvalha, hija ma shmaut, abikoriti yanuse, avalaniyaf pam lomos pik tov, hija ma shmaut. A telefon wa nuse, aval mashu wachherta midba nienot haiotermi meni, iema mashmaut, vecanhulomme zaimeta ma shmaut emitoreret, anach numa mamshikimli dwakehala uvdod. Ayuraqste talachhot, iharti baser dakot lobeshia, lo aiti ba telephonko layrev, lo martisha tafamlo seklum, ve choliot shanhnofilu tutkimba uvdot, awalatzada shini, lomegivrak laufdot, umi giv mashe namrulo alat'smo, vela makomselo bakeshir. Asbonda berali mago, mazbi khlali mago, imago, pirusho di mui, o tmuna, li fiya gishashi pitru Harvel Hendrix vehelen likli hant, kolhatmi itanu nuset betu chamen tmunal lomu dachel ahva. Atmunazu mathilali wa tzerkwa bayal dut, imurkevet man, shimsiti plubanu, mi, ima, mi abba, lifamimisavta o akgadol mi metapelet o kold mut mushmoutit akheret. Avalilomu kevet rakma dvarima tovim shi kibal numem. Hikolelet gameta meko moce bay mi tħzavnu, et masha khaser, eta rega im sha bayem lura uotanu eta bikor, eta richuk, et ħhosra yatzivud, eta tchusha shit tzrihli tztajen kedeliota uva, o x't' tzrihli oxketa, kedeliola khbid, kahnut zarbeto kenu di mwxil Majava. Lhom Majava idealit, ela ech ahavamar gishalanu k'ji mukeret, vizevdelgadol, kikulanu mojjana knu mekhopsota dam kham, ragi sh, yatziv, meforgen, ve mehil, avala lomu dashelanu, lotomid michapez raket mashitov, u michapez gameta mukar, belħen, li famima naħhnim shechot le adam sheme orerbanu gamthusat bait, ve gamet tokevya shan. Loke nachnuzot isbol, loki bachharnu lonakhun bechhavana, elakim mashubo, ma gishlanu mukar me'od. Nanih Shigadalt bebayti mima meodnu khachdwemesura. Ida galah, jaitasham, avelikame tabi kultitit, ita media d'am man khunlah, ekkeda shitlep xi, maala e klil mod, ma echotlazot tovyoter, bek shigedalt, iħollio chinim shatla, adame chliti, adam xi odea mawurut se, xeshloim dodburod, bathalazafilu, yhgish batuah, sofs of mishu shef sharli shainelav, avalima shanim, utaichliti ut i ħulalathi largishlah kmobiko et wekmuslita, veine, shivat bamakoma mukar, mi xi jacheret yodad tov mimehman echonlah. O nanihxi gadal bebai cebu abbaya ishtov avelmeruchak, u avvadarbe, l'odiberel regashot, lo ayakalagiailav, ba'at pogeshet gevel shakit, atzmai, velodramati, bathala, zemagishnifla, ura gua, u lomitsif, u notel mirchhav, avalksia kesher ma'amik, a shekolo, ma thilargish kmurichuk, wa mrchhav, ma chhilagish kmoneti shia, bepitomat mozit tatmeh meva keshat ni meno shhuvišuv, tedaberiti, t'reli sikikpatlicha, lamanita mitzrichalir dofacharecha, atlomeva keshet rak me a gever sheli adhliit karev, ma shubach, sofsuf meva keshli kabel ma' gmuta mruheket, et ta'avash eloit slaqtle kabel az. Vzehadat varim mmerat kimba zugiut. Athuna shiita afduba, ofehet la thuna, shima trifautah, bathala tomeret, anio evechukul kakwa mezzenuti, akre sar shanimat omeret loh ihbatlom iklum, shumdawarlom mezzoto. Bathhala womeran yoefjimeleat khaim, yo zeme, margenet akol, achre esr shanim, imena eletoti, ilonutenik lilin shom, bathalah, ikulka tzmait, achharkach, ilo tzhauti bihhl, bathala, u spontani vemishuchha, akagakh ifshar lismohalaw, lifamimathuna loštanta, mashishtana, uamakom shaanaknu, chhovimutamimenu. Bashlava itavot ashoni magishk mwashlama, a kharkach bethoshoshigravhzavot, a shoni echholgish kmuyum, ba thunashapamni ratak moda varsima zenuti, bathilal il chutzbidiukala makom, shebon yachhirigiha. The pochashulhnis mashumodliriyani. Bekholmatzav yeset mashikara, veheta mashmauch anhunot nimli mashikara. Atzalachat nishraba kyorzo tawfda, Avaldana umeretlatzma, shuf shikro tilevad i makol. Weavu merlatzmo, shuf mukhimli, shanilom spik tov. Shtya mashma uyota elem lowdot, emaygayona prati, shikolikad meem mevito. En nivnumi tohniseyonakhaim selaim, mitoh dereh she bayamlamdu, maza f wima shim, maza richla sotke delishtajh, ve echmegini malatmanum i pneqev. Danaalam danashimi lothachzika kol, advarimik parku, yavlamad, shegamxu menase, yir ubeikaret mashia salon khun. Whashav, megyatza lachetachhat, velochet lishne m bidukalapezzah, ilu chhet talavki mrgisha levad, hunizgar ki u margish mutkaf. Kiholcho unizgar, i mrgisha levad yoter, kihol shilu chhet, hu margishki shalonga dol Yoter, Veshnemusimbidyuketadav, shima miket a pezza shelachher. Anikorleze, Arikudzugi. Kihchodhad yeshtzad mukar, echadrodev ashenimitrachek, echadme vakeras sheninizgar, echad shol shuvishovashenio ne pachod vepachod, Echadoresh kirva, ashenimeva keshmerhab, bekol khat batuach shurak me givet naguchelacher, iomeret animeva keret kiulolo kekrayut, uomer animitrachek, kime vakerat uti. Veshnem sutkim, zubidu kabaya, if shalkvaradat, efa magalithil, avalefsharla dat, mamchzikoto, kol khadmenasela aga tsmo baderh putzatita khir, dana menasalaftier shaloti elvad, bimtaut lachat vikoh, aval bikoh, goremet leav litrachek, ve kachhinish levad odyoter. Yawav, menasela agena letmo mitchushatki shalon, bemtautnesiga, veiman ut, avalaiman uchelo, goremet le danelagi, shif shallis mochalab, vimakbirai talachats, beza regga shebuch shhulaf siklish ol, mi thil, bela trilishol, ez magal nozzarbenenu, ve mak kolchan meitanu o sebetuho. Aniotzanat dugmanus sefet, nikralem anat velon, anat stayotzmanzugi, bi kolpam sha alon kawaim kaverimi e taumerat shuvataboruhma bait, o baru, imkulamate le not, rakitilo, alonaya shomyata mishpatimaele, u miyadmit gunen. Matotzami meni, anikosma babayt, soli la tet pamchhat, anataumerat atababayt, abalataloiti, woyaw ne, ki bihol pam sha niitah, yeshla krak tlunot, bekah ieta me vakeshet kirva derhashama, vwayam vakesh khosfesh derhit rekakut, bqlinika itbrer shanat gedlaim abba shayamegiaba oleh, li fomim oravmeod, li famim ne lamrik shit lit kufod, le ken kolitzia shaloni wa khvirim, lonik wetara ki zia, mashu betu khashama, shufbukharim be mishua kher alpanaikh, alonle umata, gadalbe vait bi kurti meod, imoshelo akvah re kol mashi assa, malama, di miyatza, matai khazar, le ken kolba kashel anatlikirva, mihvetajt'lokenis sejoni slotbu, iamrativ kharbi, u shama enl khashutliotata, uamara nitsa richzat mir khav, ishama anilor tseotah, bekah, shneana shim shuha wimze tzeh, ofchimliot bli kavana, admuyyo ċhachih ivuze laze be avvan. Avalregal. Loko pezza yldut. Khashuvli la tzorkankif sharlaqakhatrajonka zera khokmida, loko kol riv urakashla kama yeldud, li famim akelim be metzri khimli sha tef, li famim benazuk be mmetlolo lok ehhmas pika krayud, li famim, abikorat be metbuga ennit, lifamim xħosir shivyona mitiba omes, li famimadamaftih shu vi shhuv, velomekhayem, ve amatara shelimago ilolomar, zerakapeta shalhhas taf sikilit lunen ma mashlo, a matarai lirot, ećteash khavot, gameta mitsuta no khitch it frihali xtanot, ve gameta ke eva yashan x ufekutali kulkachutzmatit. Ef Sharlomar, ani be metri khash tikahoterach rayut babait, vela vin be makbil, sha davara zekore, umeurer bi pachad yashan xhaani shuni x eret levad, a vana lomevateleteletita bakasha, imeaf sheret levateuta, miblila fochet benazuglev. Azehme dabri macheret. Echadakilim amerkazim sheli mago, u dialog mouvne, vanikvarumeret, bathalam, zecholagish, ktatme la khuti, zu gotomremleva naħnulomda brinkacha, nachon, atemlomda brinkacha, abalatemgamlori gilim lakshiv adasof, mbibli ktoa, le teken, belit gunen, amivnea me atmla khutyyeze, no adla tzor automat, ki berevila naħnulobemet maksivim kedela vin, anda maksivim kedela not, nachnukvar michhinime taga nashilan, mechhapsim efo akirto e, niskarim bedugumashetu khirhikamuseo todva, be dialogi mago, echadme dabeir, vasheni makshiv, lometaken, loma zbir, lomerzelon nachon, lomeraval gamat, urakmena sela vorle rega, laulam shelah. Azbon na kzorga, le danavelewav. Bimkom shedana tagid atta af pam los sek lumba bait, iomeret, ksani khozeret verwaitakelimba kiyor, aħshik varbi kasti shetifaneotam, ani margisha shani shuvnix eret levadi mach rayud. Yoavlon neaval shattafti yet mol, ume shakef, ma sha ni shom mea mimh, u shik shaat khoze verwaita kelim, atlorwa rakbalagan, at margisha nisat shuv levadimah rayud, evanti nakon, baz dana ycholali dayek, ken, bani gamargisashima sha khashuvli, lochhoshuvlecha. Vu mam shih, azad gha margishasha ba kashasha lahlohhoshuwali, yeshot mashu, kwarkan koremashu, lo niftera bayatakilim, abaldana mragisha, shesofsof mishuro e makore betucha, a kharkah, magia tikuf, yawomer, kshani mistekeleza minikudata ma bachelah, anyechhol Avin lamaze mrgishkah bi Muchad kshatrozera tayefa, ve ksekvardi barnu al-Khalukatah rayut. Simulem, ula mrzu deked beholdavar, ulohotemala mishbachwa fonlo seklum, uomer khaweashelakjunit, ksani mistekelmi tuha, ve'az mi gia mpatia, animita' erlat mishat magisha ku eset, avelgame khzevet, wulailhšuva, zenchon, dana lot khalitz okhazak yo terkede shia vinushinifgea, hikwar nishmat, veazma khlifim tafkidim. Khashumcha dialog loja foklot kli sh e bo tzadihad mazbir wa tzadihad makshivla netzah. Aqshab Yu Ahmedabir, uomer, Kshato Merchani losek lumveshif xhalis moħħalai, ani miyan margishani shummechzev, ani margish, shalomeshanem man yuse, ta midra ebe naih, kmu mishu shalomus pik, ve az, aninizgarva mitrachhek. Dana meshak efet, mashani shumat, ushek shaanime da bere bahlelodvu merchata afbam loseklum, atamargishani mucheket kolmasha ta kenuse, ve shatalomuspik beinai, the koner ken vegam, ani margishani sikulatvi akitah, Vimon shikha, atamargishe enchaderik la sodmashu shiem spik tobishvili, yesh od, bazimeta kefet, kshani chushevet aladerehibani mederet bariga imele, anyechholala vin lama ta margishkach, ve mebiampatya, animeta eret la tmish ta margish mut kaf, me you ash, wulafilukatan, achshal shnemyodim shari vulora kalakilim. Ava zelomer shema shirimeta mitbahmeluklahfhuzrimla yal dut, basof gamegimla masse, mainskim lasutachheret, maikalukau genet, mayo avmithayv lasot, echdanateva kesh miblilim khoket kolmashukenose, a dialog uloma klifpiteron, uyotzerb naim shebay mf sharlagi alpitaron, miblili le kenze bazi. Kshaw imatem lena sotbay, t'hilvanosekotany chosit, loba pezza higa dolce lazugiut, lobeb gida, lobahla timeli pared, tifharum mashu shematridhem, aval shef sharadin le deberalab be vitachon. Shla shon, shikouf, echadme da berbe mishpateani, ntemzuhrim andtamidbera tal-mesraani, ma annimrgix lo ataigoist ela animargi xale vad qe. Hatzadashini khozer al mashishamah, ve shoel evantinchon, ve kharkach, yesh odmashu, hamilim yeshodmashu ħashuvot, klifamim e na knushomimeta mishpata rixon, v miyadni givim, avala ke eva miti, nim tzaba mishpata sli xi u arevii. A shalava shini tikuf, l'havim laskim, tikufufu lok nia, tikuf u echolet lomar, miya makom xelcha o xelah ani cholala la vineta igayon. Yeshu termi mezzi uta ħatmetu kha kesh, a meziu ċelcha, lomme vatelet iċeli, a meziu ċeli, lomme vutelet xelcha. A shalava sli xi ampatya, le nasot l'gix maw vera lakher, animitajret la tmi sha ta margix b'hulej, beazlifdok, loli kwa lom ma'u margix, lolomar atakoeskieta yal dutti, elalisqol, i cholio tata morgix mutkaf, amataray loliot psihologiche la benzug, amatarai le nasot rega, liot korval khayashelo, veaz mithalfim Veyash rajon x'inikrameti ħabe yimago. Klomar lazkim la sot avur benazug, maxu ħashuvlo, gami mwelo, adavar xhahitiv ili kalli la tet, naniah, xhata dame odmiluli, debenazug xel aħ shaket, echoliot xhawurehsiha ya dereh largisha uva, avoruole deberal rega shodma mexh sha, echolargi sh kimat bilti f shari, ha metihha shelo, ycholaliot li shari tahbasihha udeser dakot, isol shelah, veloli vroh miade piteron, vilgamlahi cholaliot metiha, ulaila tetlos manli tregen lifneasiha, loli droši deberbi di yukba keteze, vebatsu rashelah, la kirbekah, sesheket, ulotta mit choserava, metihha, ilo mechikatz mit, ilo askamalit amrut, lishlita, ulichhosterka vod, ilo mela chrak zadihan mitamet, vashni mikabel, hitnuada dith, kolchad yot semat maezoram ukalshelo, kedelifgosh zolchha miti shela kher webadereh, u gamefateh khelakbatzmo, shapachotna gishlo. As khoshulagitgam odmash, mtai zelomatim, if xarlishta mesh bi shikuf Beba empatia, kedelitaken keshel shenbu bitakon bsisi, imye shalimut, imye sha shpala, iumim, shlita, anishamit mashechhet, pachadle abiaddea, o ma tzav she bozade kadmishta meshbehasifashela kher, nigdo, lonakhon leva keshma nifgaat raklak shifto yoterlapeta shelapogeya, Havanate avar, ilotz di kaleb gi aba ove, be mikrimka ele, kodem kol tzarihlezauteta ma tzav, lishmora la be techon, velekabeli vimatim, konflikt, yholiot, izdamnutlitz micha rakbe makom, sheboshnat zdim muhanim la kakatak rayut, wel kabet gvulot. Azbona itanakhta Gilkatan. Aniutashtakal Arif She Khozeretzlechhem, Lo Alasarari Vim Alichad, Betihtavilatmeh, Arba Shelot, Mawanusagelui, Hakilim, Akesef, Atelefon, Aikhurim, Mani Margishami Takat Lakas, Levad, Lochashuva, Lomurechet, Lobetucha, Mani Mes Saperet Latzmi, Shait Nagucholo Omeret Alai O Alakesh, She Shalis Mohalaw, Shani Lodifut, Shani Trichalit Mudel Levad, Wemani Bemetri Khalkesh, Lot of Sikliot Kaze, Ela Bakashabrura, Kshat Mechel, Anit Trichhashit, Anit Rikhashit Ish Alu Tikodem Imaniro Zakavau Pitarun, Anit Trihashin Khlit Yachad, Al Khalukatahut Bavait, Beaz, Ef Charlos Ocela. May Kholyochat Sadashin Ishumea Xanim Vakeshetze, Ayimushumea Bakasha, O Shu Shomeashushuvnich Shall, Delomer Shanich Rait Le Kola Parshanucello, Avalava Nazot, Ycholala Zorlacher Damshin T Samuleh, Velocelait Naguchemhisautah. Azlesium. Bafama Basha Temutzimetzmechem Shubo Toro Riv, Silatzorga, Lokedel Vatera, Lokedela Shtiketzmeh Elakidilishol, Babemet Korekan, Almani Nilchemet, Vitahat Lanusaga Lui, Bema Benzug Sheli, Menasele Againalav, Kiy Choliot, Shat Lorot Mevakeshtofetzalakat, At Mevakeshat Lad Shat Lolad, Becholiot, Shu Lorok Mit Naged Lishtofut Shab, U Me Kesh Lad, Shegamxu Twee, Wadainra Ui Benaich, Zugiot Mudat, Ilozugiot Blirevim, Izugiutuban Khlimliz Zaot, Mime Da Berba Regaze, Aisha Bugerech Chan Yeom, O Ayel Dashapam Lora U, Hagev Shinimzamuli, O Ayele Chelama Cholta Ut, Mukhikhashu Lomospeak, Wa Mataray Lola Fochita Plim Zechelzo, Hamatarai La Fsik Liota Uvim Shelapta Saim Zechelzo, Lil Modlomar Aniro Asha Da Warazenogia Behavem Coma Mok, Aniro Tzala Vin, Hamitzi Uchelakh Shunami Sheli, Avalilopochot Amitit, Wulai Az Le At Leat, Akilimba Kioh Zuru Trakelim, Va'am Shelley Adh, Yafsik Leot Mumis Balif Gua Bach, Behzoliot Adam Shot U Talif Gosh, Oti Pim'Z Giut, Ali Munich Al Khaim, Bola Instagram Shelly, Shame Od Mikolo Tovazin, Bye