Ever wondered about the secret ingredient behind some of the most creative dishes at a family-owned burger joint? Join us for a lively chat with Esther from Mums Burgers, as she spills the beans on what inspired her in the kitchen!
We also talked all things from working with exes and friends to coping with menu quandaries. Esther shares her roller-coaster journey in the world of burgers and the relief from stepping away.
But that's not all; we also dive into the world of marijuana legalization and its potential benefits. Exploring its legal status in Thailand and Holland, we ponder the possible economic growth and removal of the drug from dealers.
As usual our conversation can go anywhere and that is exactly what happened as we touched on the education system, career transitions, and the rise of "snackable content" on platforms like TikTok. This episode has it all.
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Ever wondered about the secret ingredient behind some of the most creative dishes at a family-owned burger joint? Join us for a lively chat with Esther from Mums Burgers, as she spills the beans on what inspired her in the kitchen!
We also talked all things from working with exes and friends to coping with menu quandaries. Esther shares her roller-coaster journey in the world of burgers and the relief from stepping away.
But that's not all; we also dive into the world of marijuana legalization and its potential benefits. Exploring its legal status in Thailand and Holland, we ponder the possible economic growth and removal of the drug from dealers.
As usual our conversation can go anywhere and that is exactly what happened as we touched on the education system, career transitions, and the rise of "snackable content" on platforms like TikTok. This episode has it all.
Don't miss out on another awesome guest providing us with engaging and thought-provoking conversation!
Follow us on your favourite social platforms!
www.linktr.ee/miscellameous
I mean you can't see us, but we're both kind of chunky, so yeah, yeah, yeah, you'd be like yeah if you saw us walking down the street like they enjoy it.
Speaker 2:They enjoy it.
Speaker 3:And the fries. We're not skipping on the fries.
Speaker 2:Hey guys, jamie here and Liam for another episode of Mischiefusiness. And this week we have a friend of mine, esther from Mumsburgers Sup. So I've managed to drag Esther down because in my day job I met her out and about and she made a hell of a toasty once for me And then a burger the other time. And then that was it. It was just friends forever in my mind. Yeah, Liam.
Speaker 1:And for the uninitiated, where is Mumsburgers located?
Speaker 3:Baronia just in the Dan Murphy's car park.
Speaker 1:Oh, I used to. I used to live in Fertigalli, which is like a stone's throw, I guess, and we used to play against them when we played football.
Speaker 3:Man, we would have been neighbors so many times.
Speaker 2:Yes, we discovered. We discovered off air that Liam and Esther live near each other now, and they once upon a time of a sedate So that's the way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think we'll clear one thing up Mumsburgers is now sold Right. Technically you're not a part of it anymore, and you're happy about that though correct.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he is man, I serve my time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Actually they say the average career path in Australia at the moment is measured in eight years at a time.
Speaker 3:So you're, you're like, you're right on the mark. Yeah, sweet.
Speaker 1:Yeah as career shifters. Me and Jamie are very aware of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we, we have been through a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, different careers. Jamie and I have worked in three of the same workplaces.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah yeah, yeah. Yeah, i was once upon a time Liam's boss for a minute for a for a yeah for a minute. Yeah, many years ago.
Speaker 3:And then?
Speaker 2:yeah, then we just kept following each other. You stick to good people, right? Yeah, that works Yeah yeah, yeah, true, true. So expect to be back on the podcast regularly. Yeah, we do. I guess what? we'll start with that and then work backwards. So selling mums now was something.
Speaker 1:How much did you get? No, no, yeah, dollars, hard facts No, no, no.
Speaker 2:But I mean, i had the pleasure of meeting your mum as well. So to straighten that out, was it your mum's business or were you a part of owning it? or like, was it a family business? What was the system? Oh, you're all right, we'll edit that out, oh, leave it in.
Speaker 3:Family business.
Speaker 1:Oh, she punched me, she's hitting me, guys.
Speaker 3:Family business and it started off mine and mum's Yeah then I was like fuck this shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, i'm done and then I left, and then she made it like a corporation kind of thing. And then I came back and I was like sweet, And then we sold it as like a corporation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you registered it as a different type of business so that you could like leave it, lead it to public sale.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 2:OK yeah, yeah, that's better.
Speaker 3:Yeah, OK, cool.
Speaker 2:Whose idea was it to start? mum's?
Speaker 3:Mum's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:She was like let's start a restaurant. And I was like she wanted to do Chinese food, though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ok, ok. And I was like why No, you're too.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry. I'm sorry This is going to go public Like she's a great cook, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3:But, like for a job cooking Chinese.
Speaker 2:No, ok, not, why Gotcha? Yeah, yeah, That's fair.
Speaker 3:Burgers is like easy. I didn't have a day like kitchen experience. I didn't really know how to cook. And I was like I can't be cooking Chinese food for people Like I'm going to steam rice probably.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's fair, because I mean, we were at Sol's sandwich just the other day, right, and we were actually talking about that around the menu and how simple it was. Yes, and it's like it's just such a you think, a straightforward thing, right, keep the menu simple enough that you can't fuck it up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, And the Gordon Ramsay thing. It's like Gordon Ramsay thing where if it can't be printed on one piece of paper then it's too much. So like Gordon Ramsay has this thing where, like, if it covers both sides of one piece of paper, that's enough.
Speaker 3:Oh OK, which was you know? you guys were on that, that was us.
Speaker 1:We just squeezed it in there, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was small font but it worked.
Speaker 3:Had all the old people like hauling it all the way back, i mean so eight years, yeah, so surely as much as the relief.
Speaker 2:Now that it's history, we'll call it, obviously, a lot of fun times.
Speaker 3:Oh, so many. And like the friends we made along the way and like friends that helped out along the way, that was, like I don't know, too many good memories.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm insane. Did you hire any of your friends to work there?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:How did that go?
Speaker 2:It didn't go well. did it Sometimes yes, sometimes no, like I worked with two of my exes.
Speaker 1:So that was, yeah, that was challenging.
Speaker 3:They'd be patties flying across the kitchen sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like poor mom man And like hiring friends and like not being able to be like yo, you need to like step up your game a bit. I'd just be like yeah, it's all good man, like yeah yeah, yeah, yeah I was like yeah, too nice, But we learned our lessons the hard way.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Working with friends cool But, like, hiring friends is a different thing?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because when you go into business with someone like like me and Jamie have done in the past.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, we've done little side hustles.
Speaker 1:You have to be at an equal level of you know, want and equal level of need. Otherwise if you're just getting or hiring your friends, it's tough man because like at the end of the day, you have effectively given them the thing that they don't want to do the most.
Speaker 3:Work. yeah, Exactly.
Speaker 1:For their own livelihood. Yeah, and the appreciation only goes so far, and then they start to taper off and it's hard, that's hard. I can see that.
Speaker 2:I can see that I mean through the times that it mums like with the menu. I'm really hung up on the menu because I thought it was awesome And I did legitimately Like I'm not like a burger expert. I enjoy them, but I'm not a burger expert.
Speaker 1:Love a burger.
Speaker 2:We both do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can tell. I mean you can't see us, but we're both kind of chunky, So yeah, yeah, yeah, You'd be like yeah, if you saw us walking down the street like they enjoy it.
Speaker 2:They enjoy it. And the fries We're not skipping on the fries. Menu creation You, your mum, both.
Speaker 3:Mainly me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was me.
Speaker 2:Because there was some wicked stuff on the menu.
Speaker 3:I smoke a lot of weed, so that's where the inspiration comes from.
Speaker 1:Can we say that here? Yeah, of course you can.
Speaker 2:This is, we're a safe space, Yeah we're a safe space. You can say what you want.
Speaker 3:I've done interviews with people before and they're like, oh so, where'd you get this idea And that idea? And I was like I couldn't say it at the time because I own the business and I was like apparently reputation is a thing, But now it's gone. I'm like, yeah, well, that's, that's where it all came from.
Speaker 2:That's fine Man. I kind of wish G was here, because G gets a lot of his inspiration that way. I think, yeah, exactly. So another guy that's part of our podcast. He's a producer.
Speaker 1:He does like music and stuff Sometimes for us and you know it's graphic design. But yeah, he, he'll just like have a mad session. He'll just he'll be like, all right, i'm setting aside a night. He'll just sit himself some tank house fucking way And just sit himself down in front of the computer and just like write beats and shit.
Speaker 2:So I like that makes full sense. So the next thing, like Liam, didn't have the pleasure of going there, but that menu, that makes sense.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it really does. I can cheese patties. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why we had like a demographic as well And Baronia was like a really good spot for us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you really could have leaned into that, i feel, being that sort of Baronia.
Speaker 3:Yeah, for one year we opened till like midnight on 420 and my mum was like why are you opening?
Speaker 2:till midnight tonight, like can you really be bothered?
Speaker 3:And like it was me and one other guy working and like we had like five people come in, but I was like you know what's up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're like mum, mum. the people, the people needed, the people we are doing a service, yeah.
Speaker 3:You didn't do that again, though That's actually clever, though That's good Wow.
Speaker 1:One day it will be like normal. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So you can check yourself out. Can I talk about?
Speaker 1:this, yeah, yeah, i've, like low key on the side, been talking to one of my friends who is a pharmacist and knows how to like operate a pharmacy, because that's what she does for a living, and I was like I was saying, like you know, when it's legalized, when it eventually is legalized which it absolutely has to be at some point because it's way too good for our economy It takes away. It takes away like the weed from the dealers and puts it into the hands of, like, legitimate businesses. How do we do this? And like, how do we set up a dispensary immediately? Because I want to be on the forefront of that Now, as someone who doesn't I don't recreationally use myself anymore, but I would 100% be down for creating a dispensary for that. And, yeah, i think there is. Yeah.
Speaker 1:No, there is, there is, but there's no there's no public ones, so they're like more like governmental ones, and because it's not legalized you need a prescription. But I'm talking about when it's legalized And you can just walk in off the street and buy whatever strain you want in from wherever it came from, you know, and you can start to oh dude.
Speaker 2:It'll be so good. We had friends that used to go to Portland a bit in America for like, just for their business and stuff, yeah, and they stayed all the time. Like dispensaries were very common at that point, like they'd opened up a few there And it was weird. They're like you know, like you could, instead of going like do you want to go for a couple of drinks? But like do you want to go grab a couple of joints, like, and you just do it and it was fine And you know you'd pick your flavor, pick your how hard it's going to hit you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's fucking cool.
Speaker 2:I mean I'm all for it. I think, yeah, economy wise.
Speaker 1:Like, yeah, it's too beneficial economy wise to ignore for much longer.
Speaker 3:Doing it with like everything. Now, like my friends who studied like medicine, he's now in psychology. He's studying like the effects of mushrooms and like yeah, yeah yeah, sorry, can we?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, you go, nuts man, i don't do drugs, by the way. No, no, no, no, no, no, that's fine, though No yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's all coming out there. I'm like this, people are getting locked up for this shit. And now it's like you know Someone?
Speaker 2:I was telling Liam, i ran into an interesting fellow we'll say that not part of my normal friendship group, but he had some cool things to say, one of which was he was saying that Thailand, post COVID, to reboot their economy, legalized marijuana and pulled everyone out of jail that was in jail for marijuana, like actually gave them grace like amnesty and was like you can come out if it was for low level marijuana possession. I respect that And it fucking it rebooted them. Like they're cleaning up now because they're like the Asian Amsterdam, like people are like what?
Speaker 3:Hit this one. We're in Thailand. It's like how the fuck can we put the next flight?
Speaker 1:You can just like go there and just get it and do the idea and stuff. Yeah, it's crazy, there's no dicking around anymore, it's just you want to get some weed, you get some weed And like yeah like on that, like yeah, holland has been pushing it for years.
Speaker 2:Because they're like yeah, their government literally loves it because they clean up taxes and shit like that.
Speaker 3:They make good money And it's not actually a problem thing at all.
Speaker 2:No, exactly, That's actually yeah, it's proven there as well. Their crime rates associated to it are so fucking low.
Speaker 1:And it's like, yeah, i don't know Well it's funny, dude, you know all the things that maybe like lean away from smoking weed was dealers. They are just like I fucking hate dealers, man. They're so like, they're so painful to deal with because they always want to fucking chat And I don't want to. I just want to get the shit and leave.
Speaker 3:I always see the opposite. They're just like I don't want to chat.
Speaker 2:Like get out, like I shouldn't get out.
Speaker 1:Maybe it's like this gross, like social misunderstanding, where, like the buyer and the buyer think that they're making polite conversation, but actually they both want to leave.
Speaker 3:Who's going to save first? Yeah?
Speaker 2:yeah yeah. This is awkward now.
Speaker 1:Dude. I would always just be like oh look, i got to be somewhere in like five minutes, so I got to like Come up with the excuse before you get there. Yeah, yeah yeah, Oh, look, I got to drop in, get out Yeah yeah, yeah, oh, my god, I actually love that.
Speaker 3:Is this meant to be a PG podcast? No, no, not at all.
Speaker 2:We definitely take explicits and all that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:We are not. This doesn't go to kids. Yeah, I don't know It's cool to like.
Speaker 3:Catch you outside of the workplace. I feel like it's totally different right now.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah I can't exactly talk about this in my work uniform.
Speaker 3:No as.
Speaker 2:I've probably looked at Yeah like no, it's definitely.
Speaker 1:We talk about our work but we don't talk about exactly what we do. We're very ambiguous about what it is. we do Like I work for a builder. you know Jamie does like a marketing thing for a company And we don't really go too much further into that.
Speaker 3:But yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you reckon your work? friends, listen to your podcast. I think they will. Some of them might. Some of them might. Some of them will.
Speaker 1:But they're fine.
Speaker 2:The ones that would listen, i think, are pretty chill, to be honest, like they're either the supportive ones or they're the haters.
Speaker 1:So, and your haters are your biggest fans. Yeah, they're the ones who are Bring them on.
Speaker 2:Hate us all day long.
Speaker 1:Yeah, give us a listen, Yeah, give me the reactions.
Speaker 2:Joe Rogan's the most hated man on earth And he's got like millions of followers. That's true man.
Speaker 1:That's true, really. Yeah, most listen to minutes wise. Yeah, he's a most listened to podcast.
Speaker 2:But yeah, he's like an anti hero to a lot of people. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I morally will not listen to anything he does or watch anything he does Really.
Speaker 3:Can.
Speaker 1:I know why. Yeah, he's a conspiracy theorist and he he jumps to conclusion. Yeah, but when he jumps to conclusion, he's then not malleable in changing his idea, which is the main reason.
Speaker 2:I like it, Even if proven wrong he's still, he's still resolute in heels. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah We're all for open opinion, yeah, but it's like have some like sensibility about it, like if I've got fact, it's like I'm not wrong.
Speaker 1:The opinion, yeah, and I really do feel that you, when you have such a broad reach, you've got a responsibility to pay your due diligence.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he is beautiful.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, which in a tone right is kind of like got to respect that, yeah, but yeah, that's the main reason I don't want to give him impressions is that I don't like that. I don't like that he doesn't review his ideals. Yeah.
Speaker 2:OK cool.
Speaker 1:But like I mean, like he's definitely like quotable 100% Like he's definitely able to be quoted 1000% On a lot of different subjects, mainly because he talks a lot, but you know Very much. Also. He can kick the shit out of a boxing bag. Have you ever seen him actually do MMA?
Speaker 3:Never.
Speaker 1:Dear Lord, i saw him kick a boxing bag one day and I was like I might actually die from internal bleeding if he kicked me.
Speaker 2:I didn't realize.
Speaker 3:He's a very strong man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe not anymore in his age, but like, yeah, i saw a video and I was like Jesus, fucking Christ, like that boxing bag is like almost broken.
Speaker 2:On that note? kind of not really.
Speaker 3:But to get back to mums for a second, Yeah, yeah, yeah, i really want to ask you a question.
Speaker 2:Yes, And I remember having this conversation with you but, honestly, i forgot on what you answered. So I'm going to ask it on the podcast Go Train chef. No, chef Pass, no. How did that come about? Did you just, like you said, got in the kitchen, started cooking? it worked out.
Speaker 3:On my resume it says I'm a train chef.
Speaker 2:That's fine I think eight years of running a burger shop. You can have that on there.
Speaker 3:I got to like the last unit of cooking class. Yeah, yeah, ok, it was the accounting side and I also had a hand injury, So I was like I've already liked on it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you don't have to. No, that's my opinion on that.
Speaker 3:I think, in a kitchen experience is more valuable than like, yeah, like that teaches you fundamentals, but you can learn that in a day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I feel the same way. Do we think of that way about life? Like correct And he jobs at wherever they had. Liam and I, we've got pretty similar thoughts on that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the only jobs I think in the world that need like actual university, like degrees, are like doctor and Lawyer. Yeah, lawyer, yeah, i don't know like it. Really, like I feel like what's the difference between doing like a trade for four years in training or actually going and working with a lawyer for four years instead of studying? I really just think that, like, the schooling is like so not necessary.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i have an alternate view on education And I think like and we've discussed this before and like we've talked about it a few times with other people but I think that the value of schooling is outweighed by the value of being able to find information. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, knowing things and finding things are two different skill sets And if you can find information effectively, that makes you more valuable than someone who knows everything.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. I feel, No, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I reckon school is not for everyone.
Speaker 1:No, yeah.
Speaker 3:And a lot of people that I know that are actually doing pretty good for themselves. I'm like even go to school.
Speaker 2:You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%, like we literally were talking about this. the other week as well.
Speaker 1:And there's a huge, there's a huge surge in the last 10, 12, 15 years even of people who are home chefs or home cooks and don't have any qualification. And you see, like these people with YouTube channels, like Binging, with Babish, and you know, like, yeah, And you know and like he doesn't have any culinary training, he started as a home cook. He's had training now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of them do it that way.
Speaker 1:Home cook then That he was home cook first, had his show, didn't have a face for many years and then got more and more popular and people wanted to obviously see. And then he expanded and he stole someone from Bon Appetit channel as well. He stole one of their people and now she's part of his channel And yeah, so you know these are people who are effectively they're not trained. You know there's people on TikTok who are making legitimate wages out of just posting the stuff that they make, because that's really watchable.
Speaker 3:The internet changed everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:And like anything you want, just search it, you have it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Exactly right, And I mean the ability to become a celebrity off the back of it. if you really commit, it can be done. And it was something like that. And it was something like that. Content has never been easier either you know like you find.
Speaker 1:you know I've learned how to do countless things through, like YouTube channels and even TikTok. Like sometimes you watch something on TikTok enough times. I watched enough like PC builds on TikTok that I can put computers together. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And all I've done is watch that on TikTok and now I can do that.
Speaker 1:That's pretty impressive. So, like you know, the same thing goes for cooking. you know, sometimes you'll see a TikTok and it'll be this really erratic guy that teaches you how to balance flavor with, like you know, sugar and salt, and like now, that's just banked knowledge that I have and I've consumed his content and that has helped pay his bills, you know.
Speaker 3:In like one second as well. you just like learnt and used skill like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, In my workplace we call them snackables.
Speaker 2:It's just like easy facts content that you just like that bam, bam, bam snackables.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:I think it's such a good way to put it, because it is exactly what it is It's just a snack for the brain. Yeah, Like yeah, which is, yeah, unreal. So what's next for you?
Speaker 3:Let's go Um. I'm just dabbling.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah In everything, yeah.
Speaker 3:I like tomorrow, i'm just helping made out at his cafe. Yeah, and actually he's not even.
Speaker 1:I didn't even know the guy, sorry, Yeah, He's like a friend of a friend.
Speaker 3:He was just like yeah, you don't need to make coffee, he was like I'm like a stranger's, just a friend you haven't met, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, We'll be friends tomorrow.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 3:I got a job at a pretty pretty like if there's a place I want to work, it's there. Yeah, cool About to up the sun in Beliklava.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, cool, cool.
Speaker 3:Um Japanese food.
Speaker 2:Awesome. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3:So I'll hopefully be staying there for a while.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And I've been helping out at, you know, cafe Carpenter Chatty.
Speaker 1:Why is that ringing a bell for me? Whereabouts is it? Which one is that?
Speaker 3:Warrigal Road and Waverly Road.
Speaker 1:Yep Officeworks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:That little cozy. Yeah, I know exactly what you mean Yeah, no shit, oh, i've been there, fuck away Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Um, that was that was actually gonna be. my follow up question is yeah, do you think you would want to start something else and run it yourself again, or are you like stung from that and now you want to like go and work for someone?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like all of the above, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Yeah, i am like the last leg of that whole selling the business thing was like the hardest part of the whole eight years, like inspections, like all the book work, paperwork and like agents, solicitors. I was like I've never done this before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 3:And that rocked me Like that fully burnt all my fuses. Yeah, Um and as well as like boyfriend stuff and house stuff, life stuff. it was everything was just like and we walked away from the shop We'd like not as much as we wanted. So it was like yeah, i was kind of just like like the match Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, um overall like a very good learning experience but, like next time. At least I know exactly what not to do again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I keep saying like next time, next time, next time, but I haven't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, i know what you mean. You don't know when or what the next time is.
Speaker 3:Yeah, when the world sorts itself out, i'll actually start thinking but to to do a business now. Whoever's opening a business now?
Speaker 2:I'm like you're so brave Like yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, Cause you don't know what's around the corner with it. Hey yeah, like eight years, eight years of mums and like two years during COVID and stuff like that. Yeah, like.
Speaker 1:I've always been too scared to go full, uh halt, like just put my whole body and soul into my own project and work as my own boss, and I think that, like what you did is admirable It is Thank you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely Huge amazing achievement. Mom as well, though. Yeah, yeah, prop, yeah, you and mom, yeah.
Speaker 2:That's awesome.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she's a beast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my mom, you know her issues. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like it's yeah. So tell, tell me about your mom. Like how would you describe her? like to me, someone who's never seen or met her before? Like if you were, if you were going to bring me into your house and be like, look, i've got to prepare you for my mom, like how would you describe?
Speaker 3:She's loud.
Speaker 1:Loud.
Speaker 3:She's rough around the edges but she's a softy inside.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, all right, okay, yeah, 1000%. Yeah, i would agree with that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like Chinese, russian background, like I don't know, she's, she's a character. That's yeah, i love my mom. Okay, she's like me, but like, just I'll be like that in the future when I'm like a little bit crazier. Yeah, yeah, i won't be mad about it, cause she's a legend.
Speaker 1:It's like there's like a there's a clarity of, of confidence that comes with wisdom, And maybe she's like at that, at that like stage. You know what I mean. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 3:Not taking life too seriously anymore. Like she's eaten shit her whole life, like with three of us kids and like I don't know. she's been working her ass off. So now she's like, yeah, it's, it's her time to chill.
Speaker 2:Was was mom's her first business. Yeah, yeah, okay, before this.
Speaker 3:We were like she was in a $2 shop working stacking shelves all day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she was there for like 13 years or something. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i did my time in retail.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It was like I think it had 10, 11 years, one industry I will never know. I got. I got stories, though I got. I got stories to fill a book. How many carans?
Speaker 3:did you have to deal with?
Speaker 1:Actually, Jamie and I started a business like before dropshipping was a thing we figured out dropshipping, yeah, yeah, and we were doing that like with scooters because we both came from like a background where we were like, okay, this dude's got a monopoly And what we can do is catch his slipstream of products that he's not selling. So we started like did a dropship for like those kind of products online thing.
Speaker 1:And then we got a, we got a storage facility and we had like a storefront for a while. And when we get the storefront, that's when the phone call started coming. Oh yeah, and man, i gotta tell you, when it was my business I didn't care Like I didn't care at all, do?
Speaker 3:you like that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, people were like I'm going to take my. I was like please don't call me again. Like I'm going to speak to your boss. There's no one above me.
Speaker 3:Like this is it Yeah?
Speaker 2:You're going to get them for you.
Speaker 3:So, many times that, yeah, towards the end. I was really just getting to the point where I was like one more, i'm going to snap man, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I could imagine, especially in the food service industry, like, yeah, like people are so fussy, Yes, yeah, a lot of the time.
Speaker 3:The bar just gets higher and higher and higher. Like the standard of food. I'm just like it's a takeaway joint, like you know we're doing what we can right now Like you can't expect like bloody gold leaf burger or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:One time I was in Hungry Jacks with my friends waiting in line And there was a man in front of me and he was stipulating to the teenager at the counter what order in which he wanted his ingredients put in his whopper. And I was like my man, you are in Hungry Jacks.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, yeah, dude, i saw something not long ago in McDonald's. This guy was watching, like watching Hawkeye The chick grab his chips out, right, yep. And he's she's going to hand to him. He's like I want the hot ones. And she's like okay, and she's poured them back in. And he's like what did you just do? And she's like I put the chips back in. He's like well, you touched them. And she's like no, no, no, i didn't. I didn't like put them into the, i didn't put them into the bucket with my hands, yeah. And he's like called her manager over And he's like I think you need to have a word for this young lady Because she has a problem. And like I'm standing there like is this for real?
Speaker 1:Oh man.
Speaker 2:Like, what fucking like.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry. What golden glove did you get raised?
Speaker 2:with That you does. it's fucking McDonald's.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he still hates her life, enough as it is, yeah.
Speaker 2:Cause she has to serve ourselves like you every day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, leave her alone. Bro, she's. She's got like an algebra test tomorrow. She cares, She's cold chips like the rest of us, and shut the fuck up.
Speaker 3:Basically Like seriously, oh man, people that demand this. I swear Like Yeah, there's definitely parallels And it's.
Speaker 1:You know there's like a. You are a different kind of person moving forward through your life. If you've worked in either hospitality or retail, Yeah, Because you've been at the bottom of the barrel, You've had to be that service position And you know that those people are out there in the world and they're wearing masks, They look like the rest of us, But that man would go to his, that man probably goes to work and they don't know that he's a.
Speaker 1:You know a 15, 16 year old harasser because she didn't choose the correct chips. Like if you knew that about one of your friends, would you not think of them differently?
Speaker 3:No, I would never go out for dinner with them again. No, yeah, seriously Yeah, but like the good, the legends make up for the. I was going to say Yeah.
Speaker 2:You did seem really appreciative of good people. I'm the same, like it was the same in the role, obviously meeting yourself, and like I'd go in and you know, deal with yourself and your mom. And like I was like this is nice, it wasn't like a, i look forward to seeing you. Man Like yeah, it was good you know, a good little quick catch up. Well, literally you're running around like a crazy person. Seriously, And I mean that in the most complimentary way.
Speaker 2:No, I know You literally had like yeah, but you know, like, but it makes a difference, right, like when you are in a like a role, like that, like it's all the difference when people are nice. Like you said they make up for a lot of it. I think those people don't realize that sometimes You know what I mean Like they don't realize that, okay, you've actually made someone's day a hell of a lot better than it was going to be if they literally had to deal with just dickheads all day, yeah.
Speaker 1:Cause you could have been the person that just sent them over the edge for that day. Yeah, and you were the opposite of that And you can tell people who, like you now in the future, will have like a lot more empathy moving into, like being a consumer in that industry now, cause you would know, like what it's like you know.
Speaker 1:You know that it's hectic. You know people aren't getting paid enough, They have to work back, they have to start early. Like you know, there's just a lot of you know a life stuff associated with what they're doing and what they're trying to output, and you have a lot of empathy for that. Now I feel that a lot when I go to stores, cause I worked in retail a lot. I went to get some basketball shoes recently and my size was on the shelf and they didn't have the second shoe And I feel like that's something you should have. Right, you gotta go get it. I'll go get it. He's like it's not out there And I'm like um in my head I was like I'm pretty sure it would be And maybe someone else might be able to find it. But I'm going to chalk this one up as an L and I'm just going to move on my merry way. Oh, my God, cause I just I didn't want to be that guy. That was like you don't know what you're doing, you know like you know, yeah, so.
Speaker 2:Unlike the customer side and that kind of thing. Burger culture, that's a thing. Yeah, like you had people come through.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, i hated it at the start. It drove me insane. I was like gives me anxiety, like people are so critical in that scene And like I don't know. But then after I was like just be sure of your product and what you're doing. And like, even if it's not as good as all the other joints, and like they leave you a bad review, like, don't take it to heart, they obviously have a really high standard.
Speaker 1:But then after.
Speaker 3:I was like got into it, found Mimojo, we started doing those towers and stuff. And like yeah, people would come in and just like get real creative, Like Amy, queen of the cheat meals. She would get like bloody a kilo of pastrami in a burger And I was like I love this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Like yeah.
Speaker 3:And I was like cool, I actually look forward to it. And then, like people would come in make videos and stuff, I was like that's fun.
Speaker 1:That's why we do what we do. Yeah, there's an episode of South Park that does that, where they yelpers. Yeah, i think you've seen that one Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So that's a double-edged blade there, right? Because, yeah, you get people come in and just fucking shit. Can you for internet points?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But the flip side can be just as valuable.
Speaker 3:Exactly, But like I was too sensitive at the start because I was so young when we started it, Every bad review I would like take it so personally. I'd be like upset for three days and, like check it every day, read it again. Yeah, god like but yeah, at the end I was just like, like the real ones know, like the customers that are here, every week.
Speaker 1:They know like we're bloody, like doing as good we can, so yeah, you would think that other, like other burger places or other places that are similar to yours, would see those maybe one day, and they would just be like the person probably does not know what they're talking about, because they would just experience the same thing you know, like they would experience their own run of like bad reviews and shitty people, exactly, and any business has dealt with that side of things as well.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, it's hard when you put like a part of yourself out there and you have to like not care about it somehow. Yeah, Yeah, Like working in media, we've like we've done that a lot with like Miss Squim we first started And when we were like streaming and like on YouTube and stuff like that, like obviously you just get like just people just fucking hate on you, man, And they got to a good reason either.
Speaker 3:It's the internet, anyone can just be out there saying whatever, because one thing, like you know, they didn't agree with. That's why I'm like I love podcasts to listen to, but I'm like to be on what. I'm like I'm going to say something and then it's going to be like out there for the next 20 years and I'm going to get canceled Like that's right.
Speaker 2:Oh God, we'll try not to make that happen.
Speaker 3:No, like I feel you don't I guarantee it.
Speaker 2:We told the line pretty close though.
Speaker 1:Like we definitely told the line pretty close And like there's definitely moments where we've been like that was maybe a bit exy, Like Do you guys?
Speaker 3:ever just like word vomit And then after you like watch back and you're like yeah.
Speaker 2:There was one episode we recorded a long ago which I think people would think we're like anti-feminist, but we're not like. We're all like. A lot of us are happily married in relationships and we love women, but you know if you didn't take our tongue in cheek the right way you would think like you could definitely rip quotes out of that episode. Yeah, that make us look very bad Yeah.
Speaker 1:I was actually thinking. Yeah it will be. I was actually thinking of taking some of those quotes and like making like an Instagram square and having like a picture of me, and then just putting one of those quotes completely out of like context.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just base ourselves Just on top of it That'll get you so much.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly. We might as well use it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Dude, i can take the hate man. I don't mind it, like it honestly doesn't bother me. So I just run out there and see what happens.
Speaker 2:There's a comedian Liam and I both like called Tom Segura And he has his own podcast right And he deliberately will like pause at awkward moments in sentences, just so it sounds like he said something politically incorrect. Yeah, And he'll just like and wait for it, And like he's done it so many times sure enough. Next day like what is it? YMZ or whatever, it is TMZ, TMZ stuff like that. We're like, yeah, we'll cut it out and be like Tom Segura hates black people. He said it When like the full yeah.
Speaker 2:Like when the full excerpt is definitely not that. Yeah, it's the standard.
Speaker 3:You can't say anything Like anything at all. That's why I like podcasts, It's like real, not it's not facts, like nothing says a hundred percent facts.
Speaker 2:It's like real people, real conversations. Yeah, exactly Yeah, and that's it, like that's yeah, pretty much set our tagline.
Speaker 1:That's literally what we're doing I think genuinely media consumption is leaning towards that direction. Anyway, with the rise of like streaming and people watching live content, they're getting like a more human, you know, aspect of consumption, whereas reality TV shows now are borderline, more scripted than like you know.
Speaker 3:The worst. Yeah, I can't. I don't, I cannot watch TV anymore.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, I honestly sometimes, if I'm at someone's house and I see an ad, I'm like watching it and I'm like what is going on right now. I'm like so out of the loop with, like, what gets advertised on TV and it'll be a TV show. It's all weird these days.
Speaker 3:Ads and TV, it's all weird these days.
Speaker 2:It's not like when we were growing up? No, not at all.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Yeah, it's weird man. The world is a wild place and the way that people like absorb media now is just so like. For us, i feel like it's been really well mediated as people like millennials and we've like grown up with different forms of technology and we're still kind of in touch with all the new stuff. But when I look at like, at like our parents' generations right, and they watch like regular TV still, it seems so I don't know, misleading or dishonest, just everything about it like feels like it has an ulterior motive And I just don't feel good about it. I'd rather watch someone accidentally say the N-word on Twitch. Oh, oh, at least I know they're a real person.
Speaker 1:Yeah exactly Yeah.
Speaker 2:He's a human Yeah.
Speaker 1:Look what he did. Hey man, he said the N-word when he was singing along with some song, like you know. Am I going to hate on him for that? Not really. No, yeah, oh man People will.
Speaker 3:They will Exactly, yeah, they will.
Speaker 1:They will Clip it, clip it.
Speaker 2:First to post it online, Oh God.
Speaker 1:All over Reddit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, scoping out your Insta. Do you skate a little bit?
Speaker 3:I try, i try. I'm not great, but I try. Yeah, yeah, i have like a love-hate relationship with it.
Speaker 1:I love skating. It's like one of two passions I have in life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Like it's just, it's an unforgiving sport.
Speaker 1:Like when you hurt yourself. it's a cruel mystery. It is a cruel mistress, Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Skating It's rough.
Speaker 3:It is.
Speaker 1:Because even the most simple things are exceptionally hard. Yeah, and you get someone, you'll meet someone in the wild And they'll be like, oh, you skate. And then they'll immediately think that you can grind off a gutter on someone's house because that's what you do on Tony Hall. Literally no one can do that.
Speaker 3:If I can kick flip like that, maybe I'm like cannot fucking get, And when somebody's like on the street, they do a kick flip.
Speaker 1:I'm like.
Speaker 3:I just get pissed off, i'm like I can't. So no, i'm not great at skating, but I do love it. You do love it, that's fine, it's a good sport.
Speaker 1:There is a certain freedom that comes with skating that even if you take away like flip tricks, put them just take them out of the equation If you're just skating or you're just carving, there's something about that that is just so calming. It's like flying. It's like what I imagine flying would be like.
Speaker 3:It's just like this weirdly clarity that you have over the motions that you're doing When you're like one with the board but, there's also like that fear that's kind of like oh, it's scary, i could fall any second but, I don't know, i like shit like that, skydiving like I could die.
Speaker 1:I'm going to do it. Yeah, no shit. Have you ever done bungee? No, that would be cool.
Speaker 3:I'm not opposed to it, but I've just never been in like this You've done.
Speaker 1:skydiving, yeah, ok. so bungee jumping is scary.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no doubt, 100%, yeah, Fully.
Speaker 1:I would heavily suggest it Have you done it Yeah it's very good. I did it in Queensland.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what were you diving into?
Speaker 1:Into like basically what was like a pond effectively.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1:I let out an involuntary scream And I think I've only ever done that twice in my life. So like it was like, thankfully, a very manly scream, i have footage of it. It wasn't a squeal. It wasn't a squeal, it was like no, did it?
Speaker 3:bounce up and down at the end.
Speaker 1:So like yes, they asked if I wanted to be dunked in the water And I was like head on, oh, no way. I was like I want the hair to go in, like I wanted to just like get dunked a little bit.
Speaker 3:How can they just dunk like from that far? How can they?
Speaker 1:So they have like a length that they can then like sort of taper back. Oh wow, and they based off your weight. And they like they were like I was like just my head, and they were like OK, and I was like look, i'm going to be straight up. I'm 100 kilos, i don't look like that, but I'm heavy, yeah. And they were like, oh, no, it should be all right. And I was like no, like I'm pretty heavy, like I weighed myself this morning and I went to like my belly button, i went all the way in, yeah, oh, my.
Speaker 3:God.
Speaker 2:That's terrifying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it is like that moment when you're on the edge is different.
Speaker 3:How high was it?
Speaker 1:I can't remember. Off the top of my head, i think, why is the number 186 jumping into my head? I don't, maybe I'll have to check the footage. They give you like a USB and it's like a guy jumping off of it. It's like shaped like a man jumping off of the platform.
Speaker 3:They don't do like one of your face close up. Well, i did, yeah.
Speaker 1:So they've got footage from the outside and you get a glove and it has a GoPro on it, yeah, so you like you can see the footage, like that. And yeah, it was like truly, that moment of standing on the edge was I actually probably felt the biggest fear I've ever felt in my life, where I was like I need to walk away from this, like I had a fight or flight moment.
Speaker 3:But you did it anyway And I just jumped Respect, oh man.
Speaker 1:I would heavily suggest doing it, because it gives you that feeling.
Speaker 3:Okay, cool. Definitely add that to the bucket list.
Speaker 1:There's like there's few times in your life where you have you're truly only thinking about one thing at a time, and skating is one of those moments, because you do have to think about only skating, because if you're thinking about something else, it's so easy to come off, it's so easy to hit something the wrong way And it only takes like something so minor as well, like really really minor Or like cracking the concrete. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Just like last two years, I've had like three quite serious injuries. Like punctured my spleen.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God.
Speaker 3:Fractured a bit of my rib, and then my meniscus was torn and a bunch of things, so like Major stuff Jesus. Yeah, Like they say oh, you're never too old to like skate, but Yeah you're definitely.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you might be too injured to skate.
Speaker 1:Like I don't skate much anymore. I did a lot when I was younger When I was smoking on the park But like, but I, yeah, i would hit the deck and I would get back up. And now if I go to a skate park now and I go down hard, i'm done Like I just go home Because you're like when.
Speaker 3:I started skating as well. I was like cause, this is like a full noob. I was like I have to get up, i have to be tough.
Speaker 1:I can't cry like everyone's watching, but now I'm just like a full and I cry.
Speaker 3:I'm like get me out of here, call the ambulance. Yeah, kind of done my work tomorrow, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but yeah, man, the people that are like athletes in that sport, though even like, like Liam said, we dealt in the scooter world, right, yeah, scooter versus skater, which by today's standards is a pretty comparable. Yeah, now There's a lot of you know still that angst between skating and scooter riders, But some of the shit that they would do And that way that they would hit the fucking concrete sometimes. Yeah, Oh boy, I'm like how do you?
Speaker 3:it doesn't make sense. How can you people fall like that, but you do that like seven times a week, No worries, Like downstairs and rails And like.
Speaker 1:And you see those skating videos right where dudes will be trying to set a stairs and they'll be trying to hit that rail And you'll see them just go down like seven times And then they get it on the eighth try Yeah.
Speaker 2:What's like. Have you heard of El Toro?
Speaker 1:Yeah, like the big stair set.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So, like one of the guys that we used to work with tried to do that on his scooter, like it was a big, like street down The rail or the stairs.
Speaker 1:No, the stairs, the stairs right. The fluid tried to Yeah, which he cleared.
Speaker 2:Yeah, except he didn't clip. No, no, i thought he clipped the last step And that's what made him each shit.
Speaker 1:No, he did a bri flip, so he did these ones.
Speaker 2:That's right, so he caught his legs?
Speaker 1:I think Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And then he ate shit and like yeah, his knee was not where it should be, Yeah.
Speaker 1:There was a picture of that. I wish I still had that man, yeah, and it is just, the front of his knee is just, it's just completely flat and you can see portions of his kneecap on, like other parts of his leg. Yeah, yeah, fucked Fun story about that. He didn't have travel insurance.
Speaker 2:That's right, this is the best part of it. Oh yeah, please tell the story.
Speaker 1:Which was office to him and he just didn't feel the paperwork out because he was over there for a company.
Speaker 2:No, no, no wait. No, he did have it, but he forgot to take out the extra component for being an athlete, So he wasn't covered.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so go on. And then he went to the hospital. It cost somewhere upwards of like $60,000 that he got as a bill because it was really drastic and it was surgery like immediately and he left the country. So now he can't go back to America.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause what happened was right, so he didn't pay it. No, no, no. So what happened? was he fraudulently? and I'm going to say this cause I don't talk to the guy anymore Yeah, he fraudulently.
Speaker 1:Also, no one knows who we're talking about. So whatever, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:He fraudulently claimed that it wasn't a skate park injury and that it just happened in his travels. And then the insurance guy essentially came in with all the social media footage cause it had gone viral at this point. Like one thing, the scooter world I almost think was better than the skate world on was social media.
Speaker 2:Yeah, social media went hard I posted a video when I was running events, of a kid doing a backflip on a McDonald's counter and it broke our Facebook page, like it was a pro scooter series. It was called Time, so I ran like an international event around scooters And the kid did it. It got 350,000 views in one day And it like broke the page. I couldn't go to the page cause the amount of notifications come. That's how viral social media was. But yeah, this kid. Same kind of thing happened. Insurance guy comes in and he's like did you say that this happened? just you know you were traveling. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like can you explain this video then of you getting shit down? this what?
Speaker 1:is it Literal? close ups of his face, like people running up to him with their camera.
Speaker 2:So he didn't get away with it No, no but no, but he left the car, he didn't get to pay the bill. No, he's never paid the bill, so he didn't get paid out. No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:So like he essentially skipped country, it's a win-lose for him. We didn't have to pay for it, but he also can't go to America now. Oh, bloody hell Yeah. Which you know I don't rest. you know like there's, If you met him you wouldn't feel bad for him.
Speaker 2:I guess he was hard to work with.
Speaker 1:I see Jerk and he'd be listening right now.
Speaker 3:Maybe actually it's possible He might God knows, i don't know if I have him. I'm pretty amicable with him, if I'm being honest.
Speaker 1:I actually don't mind him, i just, he was just like not a good employee.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:I feel like he'd be nodding along to that being like yeah, I sucked, He's like I could have done better.
Speaker 1:Like, remember that time where I was sleeping on the desk, that I was sleeping on the desk, that I was provided to do barely any work and get paid a lot of money for I probably could have done my barely any work instead of sleeping.
Speaker 2:You got a job. Huh, yeah, oh man, seriously, if you could have worked for our old job, you would have loved it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was effectively hired as a personality because he was very known in the industry.
Speaker 3:He was our social media personality.
Speaker 1:Very vibrant personality He was very good, like he was actually an athlete in the sport and he was very, very good at it, yeah, which helped him have like credibility working for like a company that was like the mainstream version of Okay, yeah, So he was like our YouTube host for like any video things would do, and he was actually really good. He just didn't do it Far out, he really could have rode that gravy train into the next millennia.
Speaker 1:Like he actively chose not to. Yeah In the future, yeah, never know. I feel bad for him, man, like I really wish he knew the like at the time what he had. Like how good of a I would kill a man to be like a representative for some form of company And just that was my job. That is like my dream job.
Speaker 3:This Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, i'd love to like host events. I love eSports, so like that's my like. I like to geek out over like video games and shit like that, so I'd love to like get involved in that scene. But also.
Speaker 3:I have so many friends like that, yeah, yeah, like streaming their games and stuff. Yeah, I don't know anything about the world, but it's huge.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, it's huge.
Speaker 1:It's what I exposed all of these guys to when lockdown happened, right, yeah, cause when lockdown happened, i was like, well, not to win the podcast, cause I don't like doing podcasts, not in person. Yeah, and I was like, oh, what can we do? Let's just play games for the next two years, i guess.
Speaker 3:It's way better than like a Skype call Oh 100%, 100%, yeah, it's so much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, i don't know. It's just nice though, yeah, feeding up people in person.
Speaker 1:it like when you do, when you hear the Skype ones, you can hear people like Oh Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:You miss emotions, you miss, you miss like body.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's all more comfortable like this. Yeah, true, sorry, yeah.
Speaker 2:She keeps hitting me. Oh God, really got beef with that Yeah.
Speaker 3:Like tonight.
Speaker 2:Just like get it out of the way, oh man.
Speaker 3:Oh man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, on that note, and so that we can leave with the mic standing one piece. Yep, we can wrap up there. But look, thank you for coming down.
Speaker 3:No, thanks for having me A legend.
Speaker 2:And I'm glad we could get you on And I'm glad you said yes And I think it's cool. I think it's cool that we got you honestly after a month sold, because you know you could air that and tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 1:It's really interesting to hear about stuff like that. Yeah And like yeah, definitely something for people to think about if they themselves were planning on like. We've romanticized the idea of like having a coffee shop you know, yeah And like things like that. But it's not that easy right? It's not very glamorous.
Speaker 3:It's not No. People are like oh, you're the boss, you must have it so chill. But it's like no, you're the one that's there from the beginning to the end.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the one that's cleaning.
Speaker 3:You know like.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But with a good career anything's possible?
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely Yeah. Thank you so much for coming.
Speaker 3:No thanks for having me guys. Honestly, it was a pleasure.
Speaker 1:Hey guys, liam here, Thank you so much for listening to the episode. If you could be a real heck and cool guy, it would be my thrill of you to go and give us a review, because that really helps us a lot more than anything else in terms of gaining exposure and reaching this podcast to other people that may potentially like it. Follow us on the socials, like us and comment on anything you see, because that helps us as well. Thanks so much. Bye.