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Unshaken Truth: Preaching Repentance in Modern Times
What happens when two pastors unite their efforts to share the gospel, inspiring hundreds across continents? We reconnect after a brief hiatus and dive straight into the episode with Pastor Seth and Pastor Jason as Seth shares his recent experiences from his mission trip to India, shedding light on the trials and triumphs that come with spreading the gospel in unfamiliar lands. Through personal stories and heartfelt reflections, we explore the dynamic nature of mission trips and the profound impact they have on both the missionaries and the communities they serve.
The episode takes an emotional turn as we celebrate extraordinary outcomes from our mission work, including 877 salvations, confirmed healings, and deliverance from demonic possession. We emphasize the importance of planting spiritual seeds and allowing the Holy Spirit to move in people’s hearts. Highlighting that true faith extends beyond Sunday services, we call for Christians to be active doers of the Word. This chapter serves as a poignant reminder of the power of prayer, community, and a genuine pursuit of Christ.
Finally, we tackle a pressing issue: the urgent need for preaching repentance and the unfiltered truth of the gospel. Drawing from New Testament examples, we discuss how the early apostles boldly grew the church by emphasizing repentance. We critique the modern church’s tendency to dilute the gospel message, stressing that true transformation comes from preaching the full gospel, even if it means facing persecution. As we wrap up, we encourage listeners to engage with the podcast, share their faith, and connect with others. Thank you for tuning in; we look forward to continuing these meaningful discussions.
hey everybody. It is time for another episode of pastor to pastor.
Speaker 2:I'm pastor jason I'm pastor, said he's pastor said almost said he was pastor, said you want to be like me look, let me be honest with you.
Speaker 1:it has been a while. We've we've had two weeks of a break, man, and my brain has been scattered all throughout doing all kinds of different things, and we should be focused. But look, we're here now. I'm Pastor Jason. This is Pastor Seth, I think what happened? Is— and you're watching Pastor to Pastor or you're listening to Pastor to Pastor?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that while I was gone, you just kind of lost all your focus.
Speaker 1:Is that what it was?
Speaker 2:You just missed me so much. Yeah, I'm just no, not really Wow that kind of hurt, it kind of hurt.
Speaker 1:Well, yip-yap, yip-yap, no, absolutely man. Look, I definitely miss doing ministry with you, man, whether it's podcast or it's whatever. I did get to go tell Reliant Church about Crosspoint.
Speaker 2:Church.
Speaker 1:That's right, you sure did, yeah, I got to go and explain to your church all about Jesus and all about coming to Crosspoint. In fact, I remember claiming Reliant Church as Crosspoint.
Speaker 2:Church you did. That's right yeah. When you get so used to saying your own church, you're like oh crap.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when you get up and you're like hey, welcome to.
Speaker 2:Reliant Church.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, right. No, it was a great time, man. That was a great time man. I enjoyed going out there. The cool thing about us man I love it is the relationship, and we are like family. Our churches are like family, so whenever we get together, it's always a great time.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely, man. Well, dan, georgia, you preached a powerful word and I'm just glad to be back. I'm glad to be back, yeah, glad to have you back, man, and that's what we're going to talk about today. We're going to talk about a missions trip, man. We're going to talk about the missions trip to India that you went through. We'll go through probably a lot of different mission trips that we've been on over the years and just kind of share some wisdom and some understanding and maybe bring some clarity to some people when it comes to missions trips, because it's not all.
Speaker 2:They're all different.
Speaker 1:They're all different. That's about the best way to say it. They're all different. So anyway, man, let's start. Let's talk about it First of all, so that people grasp the understanding of exactly what it's like. Tell me how long the trip was going Like. What's the process?
Speaker 2:for everyone. So I'll say this Going flight time and just complete travel time layovers. Flight time 24 hours, yeah, 24 hours and like 30 minutes. Flying back A little different 33 hours, yes, sir, yes. 34 15 hour flight, 10 hour layover in dubai it's if you can get beyond the travel time and actually get to india you'll survive, but if you don't do good at traveling india, is not the place for you, not the place you want to go.
Speaker 1:I remember when you were like you know uh, I miss going to india is not the place for you, not the place you want to go.
Speaker 2:I remember when you were like you know uh, I miss going to india, but I'm glad I'm not in your shoes right now yeah sit and wait on that plane, you know and it and it.
Speaker 1:It's amazing how and I think um the older you get, the more traveling will it really really wears on you yeah um, I know this, last year, when I or last time we went it was last year or not um, when we went, man, my ankles swole up and I'm like this ain't never happened before. I got old people problems. Yeah, cankles man, them things swell up.
Speaker 2:They like that anyway, yeah, and you got kind of sick over there last time too.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But you know, all trips are different mission trips, some of them do it locally, some of some of them travel. Uh, we've been nicaragua, you've been to peru india is our thing.
Speaker 2:We've been going since 2016 and it is completely differently. I was talking to my barber this morning. He was like do you kind of know what to expect now that you've been going? And it's like you know, I know what to expect in the culture, but service wise and the people it. You never know what you're gonna get, especially this year. We went to a brand new location. We we didn't minister in the same community, in the same villages. Everything was brand new, so it was completely different. Um, and it's good to do that, because you don't want to just keep going and going to the same people preaching the same messages. You want to reach new people and reach, you know, gospel.
Speaker 1:If that's the goal of the mission trip, you're on yeah, yeah, and you know that's and you know for us to. Uh, I can go church to church here yeah in america. In fact I don't a lot. In fact I turned down a lot of uh speaking engagements because you're highly sought after.
Speaker 2:Oh, hey, you know yeah, uh, no, I do man I love to.
Speaker 1:I have a mission here at cross point and I my focus really is pouring into our people and and when you're out, then you have to get someone and look, it's just it. I enjoyed going to the reliant church, but I do, man, I miss. I miss my people when I'm not here yep and so. But we can do that here, man. But when we go to india it's amazing the crusades the you guys had, what the second night you were there like 1100 people at a crusade, yeah it's crazy, bro.
Speaker 2:The first night, first night we did this huge venue and it's one big building split in half, and one side we fed people in it. The other side was the service, had the stage and stuff in it, and the first night there was between 700, 800 people there and only about 100 of them are actual Christians. Everybody else is Hindu, which is crazy to think that you got Christians coming from America.
Speaker 2:We're hosting a Christian service and out of the 800 people, 700 of them at least, are Hindus, like unconverted Christians, devout Hindus who are coming to hear the gospel and get fed some free food, and so the second night probably more than 1,100, that place was filled Outside. You could see probably 100 people standing outside, and then I got a picture. If you zoom in at the part that's connected, where you feed people, you can see them standing in the windows just looking into the service. It was just amazing at the people who were there and I think, really, even though they have their own religion and they have all these gods, they're still hungry for something.
Speaker 2:Because what we know to be true is that when you try to satisfy what your soul longs for with something that is not of God, you're always going to leave hungry for more. You're going to leave with something missing, right, like something's just not right. And, man, we preached the gospel and when we left, we had 877 salvations by the time we left, and that was just amazing, man. And what we had to do in India, too, is and we have to do this sometimes because we don't teach salvation properly in churches where people think anytime you do something bad, you've got to.
Speaker 2:You got to redo your salvation and you got to you know, the moment you accidentally mess up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like oh, I lost everything. Gotta start all the way back over right. And it's like every sunday you got people who want to give their life to christ and it's like it doesn't work that way, like like commit or not commit, like let's get this thing worked out. But in ind, in India, it's like anytime you call them to stand for something they think they want prayer or something everybody's standing.
Speaker 2:So I had to be very specific on this trip because I didn't want to just throw numbers at people and say you know what? We had 800 get saved and then we had 200 get saved and it'd be part of the 800 from the previous night. So we were very specific, like, hey, let's make sure we clarify. If you've never given your life to Christ, this gospel has just pierced your heart and you want Jesus to come in your life. And right now you're making a demand. Right now I'm committing to Christ. No other God, no other idol. I'm committing to him. And so I'm telling you this those numbers are true, they are true. We were very intentional with that because we didn't want to pad stats, you know, in the gospel and stuff like that. But it was an amazing trip. Yeah, that's awesome, man. It's a lot of messages to preach. This is why you should have went Seven messages in five days.
Speaker 2:Jason wouldn't go with me, y'all.
Speaker 1:Jason wouldn't go. I'm in such high demand, right? I couldn't, uh, I couldn't. You know, I work full time, so I I couldn't take but so much time off and and I chose, I felt led to go to peru this year, feel like to go next year, but I really want to figure out a way where we could try to make it work so I go to both at the same, not the same time, but obviously go to both in the same year that would be amazing, but what kind of see.
Speaker 2:You did get to carry some other people with you, though yeah, we took three guys from reliant church who's never been on a mission trip, so this is a really great first, first visit.
Speaker 1:Yeah this is, uh, this is more of an advanced level trip for people who've never been, but yeah, that's great it was something for them to see.
Speaker 2:We did some training and development some of the stuff that we've been talking on this podcast but really more intentional with the culture that we know we would experience in India and we did some training with them and some things to expect. And on the third night of the crusade man, there's people being delivered and I mean they're kicking on the floor, I mean they're kicking the stage while they're laying down and stuff. And I look and I'm like yo, where are y'all at? Like you trained for this, come help me fight these demons. And at the service I was like where were y'all at? They were like hey, we heard it. We just stretched our hands.
Speaker 2:We just stretched our hands toward it and you know it was a great experience and halfway through the trip, man, they were excited for the next year. They want to go and bring a lot more people. But I think everybody needs to experience, not necessarily India, but go to a place where people have nothing and all they, all they desire, is just God. Right, Compared to us today, we have everything and God is just an addition to our life. And so just to recap some more and I want to talk a little in depth about that culture in India, how can we learn from their hunger and their thirst that Scripture talks about? That we should have, as Christians, no matter where you're located at geographically, where's your hunger at, Where's your thirst for Christ, Not thirst for more things of the world and those things.
Speaker 2:But we had 877 salvations. We had more than nine confirmed healings. When I say confirmed, it was there was pain. And then when we got done, there was no pain. And you know God really moved on some people. And we did baptisms. I tell you I was not a fan of the baptisms because I was in a gully.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, and it was dirty water that you couldn't see anything in and it was just, it was bad, it was bad.
Speaker 1:I couldn't wait to go take a shower.
Speaker 2:But for the sake of the gospel we labor.
Speaker 1:Oh, we labor.
Speaker 2:And we had four people delivered from demonic possession and man. It was just a phenomenal trip. But one of the best things that I experienced was actually something that I found out this week and it just is an encouragement of you never know the seeds that you plant. As a Christian, you may not even see all the fruit. Now, of course, we saw fruit of the gospel, of us preaching it, but Prakash, which is our point of contact there, he called and said hey, I want you to know.
Speaker 2:The message you preached on the second night has spread throughout this village. He said since then we've had 40 people who have mentioned this sermon, this message, the gospel you've preached I'm talking about the Holy Spirit and 40 people have given their life to Christ. They showed up to church Sunday and they want to get baptized. I mean, if you can't celebrate something like that, like if that shows you that it's more than just you, the Holy Spirit does the work. You plant that seed. The Holy Spirit moves on people's hearts and it just shows me for myself that if I'll do my part, the Lord will do the rest and that's what he wants us to be willing vessels. What have we sacrificed in ourselves? I'm not saying you had to go over to a third world country or anything, but what have you sacrificed to? Let God use you so you can plant something, and maybe somebody else can harvest, like Prakash. He's getting the harvest of what we've planted there.
Speaker 2:And that's what it is about building the kingdom. Not our own, but how can we contribute to building the kingdom?
Speaker 1:Right, and I think we underestimate the power of seed. Yeah, the power of just it, doesn't? You don't have to go into an excavator and rip out all the land.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Go, plant some seeds. Like. It's that simple. Just be obedient. Like do what Christ has told you to do. In fact, that's what I preached at your church and I preached recently here was you Don't just be hearers of the word, be doers of the word. We're not called to just hear. I've shared this man. We today, like Christians, go sit in a service and we're like bricks. We are flooded constantly, like bricks in a pew. We're flooded with information constantly. Really, the truth, we get hard to it. We get hard to everything when we should be like sponges, not only filling up with the word but also pouring it out, wringing it out. And so the problem is we compartmentalize our Christianity to a Sunday service, a one-hour Sunday service, when we should live in a one-hour Sunday service every single day, every hour of every day. That's right. We shouldn't wait until Christmas season to be happy and be giving.
Speaker 2:We should be that way all the time, and so, anyway, yeah, we should be chasing daily encounters with Christ. Absolutely, the true Christian pursues him daily. It's not. You can't tell me you're a Christian, but the only time you spend with Christ is on a Sunday. You don't have a relationship, you have a habit. Right Sunday is your habit, and it is that. My habit is I go spend time with Jesus and then the rest of the week I do whatever I want to do.
Speaker 2:And you know we sat down and we chatted about this with the team that went with us After the first service. They're like, hey, can we come over and talk like for hours? I'm talking about like 3 o'clock in the morning. They're still wanting to talk because they have never seen people just hungry for the word, hungry for prayer, like I'm talking about. We talk about like walmart checkout lines when we open up our lines to pray and it's like it's it seems like the line never quits right.
Speaker 2:People want to pray for everything because they believe in it, like they've experienced the presence of god and they're like, okay, if what I feel is, then I know there's got to be power to this prayer thing. And it's just amazing how, when you begin to shift beyond what you've been exposed to here in the modern-day church to really what the New Testament church was, they did life together, they prayed, they spent time in prayer. Where's the prayer meetings? At bro Right, we did a prayer meeting in in india in the middle of the day, like middle of the day. Church was packed. I'm like, where's our hunger?
Speaker 1:like I know we have responsibilities, but I think you know you're starting to tiptoe into something that really I've been feeling for a while, that there's a separation happening out in the community, out in the world, and there's a separation happening out in the community, out in the world, and there's a separation going on within the church as well. There's a call that God is sending out to people and those who hear his voice and there are some who hear his voice and are responding. They're coming to the Father's house, and then there's people within the house who are not just hearing but they're also doing so. I believe there's this almost like a sifting of wheat and tares. Man, that's happening. People are either following God and they're not only just hearing but they're also doing and those who are just.
Speaker 1:This is what I normally do, and so the truth is, man, I feel like there is a harder gospel, and I say harder, it's really the gospel. I mean, there are many pastors and people who have tried to sweeten up the gospel as much as possible until almost you get diabetes when you hear it. And the truth is, people do not need to feel good in their sin. Notice when the apostles go out in the book of Acts, it wasn't Jesus loves you. When they left the upper room there was a hard message that said hey, repent. It was not about oh Jesus loves you, let's hold hands and skip down the road, no, it was repent you sinner, like Christ died for you, you put him on the cross Like repent.
Speaker 1:And so I think the gospel of repentance, the good news of repentance and forgiveness that comes after repentance, that is happening in a lot of people. I know your preaching has—we've talked about this on the sideman and your preaching has changed a little bit too Dude, I don't care who I offend, that's right, because I care more—and the truth of the matter— Brian, we're getting all off topic here.
Speaker 2:Stay there, stay there, I care more and the truth of the matter.
Speaker 1:Brian, we're getting all off topic here. Stay there, stay there. But the truth of the matter is man is Christ says you're going to be persecuted for following him. But we try so hard not to be persecuted. We try so hard to make the gospel palatable for everybody and the truth of the matter is it doesn't need to be palatable. It is the truth, whether you receive it or not.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so we have to give it in love. But, man, the truth is the truth, and the truth is you're a sinner in need of a Savior. Either you're going to receive it or you're not. Yeah, that's right. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean no, because even in India, that message that I preached on that second night of the crusade, that Prakash was saying, that was changing people's lives, even while we were in the middle of that sermon, bro, I called out every idol worshiper. I in the I mean not even, I know, I just felt like the holy spirit was like.
Speaker 2:Now's the time to correct this thinking and call out things in the room and the guys were like holy smoke. The shift in the room was crazy like I even got sick. I got dizzy while I was preaching. It was. I've never felt this way. I could feel the spiritual warfare when you're calling out people's sin and correcting them.
Speaker 1:Calling out demons.
Speaker 2:And even though they've never heard the gospel. I didn't talk about how much Jesus loved you. I talked about repent. That's it Repent, because if you don't and you make idols and you make sacrifices and you make contracts with your family members to these gods, you will burn in hell. Like that's the truth. Where is the truth of the gospel? Like I'm not here to just love on you and there's a huge part that that does. That's fruit of the Spirit. Love is fruit of the Spirit, but I love you enough to tell you the truth. I've got one sermon to preach to you. Right, I've got one opportunity and we need to start looking at Sundays like this.
Speaker 1:Every time I open my mouth is an opportunity.
Speaker 2:Because you don't know, the first time somebody shows up who's been dealing with suicide and dealing with oppression and depression and anxiety and all these sins on the inside who later that day are wanting to commit suicide, you're going to patty cake around this stuff, right? No, no, no, no. Every day we get a chance to share the truth of God's word and we're going to waste it by baking a cake and just spoon-feeding people with this palatable, and we wonder why they're still on milk. Man.
Speaker 1:Because you're feeding them milk and sweets. Yeah, what do you expect to happen? Yeah, you're going to keep having to feed them sweets because that's what you got to get them in there. But the problem is, success has got to stop being measured by the amount of seats you fill and the amount of hearts you change.
Speaker 2:Well, listen to this. We talk about the New Testament. We talk about the sermons they preached. What did the Bible say in Acts chapter 3, even in Acts chapter 4? 3,000 people got saved from a repent and sin no more. Be filled with the Holy Spirit. Sermon yeah, okay. Then Acts chapter 4, he even calls out the people who crucified him and says you know what, even though you crucified him, he still died for you. Right, you have a chance to repent. The Bible says at that point, then 5,000 people are saved, and then they're added daily. Watch this. You think that preaching the truth won't grow your church is a misconception. It is what blew up the church, absolutely Not just in Judea, but Samaria and Jerusalem and all the places it spread, because they preached the truth and the mark of the Holy Spirit on their lives was they received boldness.
Speaker 1:Yep, they went out and they well. I feel the Holy.
Speaker 2:Ghost Boldness, prophesied, laid hands and cast out demons, and that's it, and they preached the gospel.
Speaker 1:And the gospel is Christ died for your sins. Stop playing with something that Christ had to die for.
Speaker 2:Hmm, well, I feel good in this room, well, but it's the truth. It's the truth, it's the truth. People think that if you don't preach truth in your church won't grow. But you look at the new testament church, which is what we are right, this is what the apostles taught. Yeah, bible says being filled with the spirit. They spoke with boldness and cast out demons and healed the sick man they have the.
Speaker 1:The watered down gospel they preach today is they have taken grace about as far as you can take it.
Speaker 1:I don't even know that it's called grace anymore, like they have a swan. Grace is there because he loved you enough so he came. He loved you enough so that he died for your sins. And if you happen to mess up along the way, there's grace to cover it. But we look at it like you've said before is how much can I do and still not go to hell? Instead of Lord, cover me? I made a mistake. Help me in my weakness, help me be stronger. We've used it as a reason and an excuse to be able to sin. There are pastors, bro. There are pastors who do it.
Speaker 1:It drives me nuts. I'm literally getting on to the point where it is hard for me to go to social media. Oh yeah, it is hard because I see so much ignorance and so much craziness being posted and shared and it's like I want to start getting on there and sharing the gospel. I know I'm going to be persecuted and I'm talking about the gospel. I'm talking about the truth and I know I'm going to be persecuted.
Speaker 1:I shared a video yesterday. It's already cost me some friends. It spoke out against homosexuality, it spoke out against fornication, it spoke out against what God calls sin, and I've lost some friends over it. I know I'll lose some more, but at the end of the day I don't care. The truth of the matter is I have to stand before God, whom I'm going to be doubly judged by. Like Paul says, some of you shouldn't be teachers because you're going to be doubly held accountable to the standard doubly. And so I have to give an account when I stand before god and say, god, I poured my life out like a drink, offering like like I've spoke truth. I preach what you told me to preach and I bro your blood. Not gonna be on my hand, that's right, pornography.
Speaker 2:There's grace porn, oh yeah, come on, there's grace, yeah you know they, they, they.
Speaker 1:There is, no, there is no, there is no accountability in the church today. There's no accountability in christ. It's like you sin. It's okay. Jesus still loves you. Come here and let me cuddle you. You're right, this drives me crazy.
Speaker 2:Anyway, yep, so when we jump back to India, let's go back to India but. I mean realistically. That's the gospel, that's what I preached.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, I preached this reality on that second night was if you don't repent, if you leave here today and still serve Hindu gods, there will be a time where judgment comes. And that was the truth of the gospel. I mean, that's what it is. It wasn't. Yeah, god's love and his grace got him to the cross and held him there, but you know, you gotta. You gotta make better decisions as well, and so one of the questions that we pondered I look for us to take a few minutes and try to talk this thing out, and um is with the team that was there. I asked this question how do we foster that hunger and thirst that we're seeing here from these people who were born and raised in Hinduism, as Hindus, but still get saved, get a part of the church and see that hunger and that thirst after Christ, where there's no time limit, there's no rush to be done, they're having prayer services. When can we get back to the time where we open up the church during the day for anybody that wants to come pray?
Speaker 1:When we do what Jesus said do and stop trying to do it ourselves and stop doing what's convenient and start doing what we're called to do. That's when that'll happen.
Speaker 2:As I'm growing in my walk with Christ and I've growing in my walk with Christ and I've talked with my wife, taylor, about this. It's like you know, I don't want to get to heaven and the Lord showed me all that I missed, all the opportunities I missed because I filled my schedule with meaningless stuff. Right, I don't want to get to heaven. And then people God showed me, all the people who I saw each and every day that I failed to share the truth with, like that. Those thoughts hit me like a ton of bricks, bro, like when I get to heaven. I don't. I want to hear well done not, you really could have done more. I'm grateful for you, but you could have done a lot more. And I wanted to start priority. We've got to start prioritizing like true christians, to start prioritizing true Christians. There's no such thing as a lukewarm Christian, bro.
Speaker 1:You're either on fire and pursuing no, no, no, no, no man Hypergrace says that you're saved, even if you don't know it. That is very true.
Speaker 2:We have heard this crazy theology People are saved, but they just don't know it.
Speaker 1:They just don't know it.
Speaker 2:Bro, that is some of the nonsense that drives me absolutely crazy. Yeah, I just want to challenge us, bro. Look over our lives and our schedules. What is all about us? And then what is about Christ? Right, and I get it. There's time for family, there's time for enjoying life, but when that supersedes what you do for the work of the kingdom, I mean we've really got to find a balance, and some people have crucified me for this, and I say this all the time. Christ died for the church. I don't have to. That's right, and what I mean by that is I don't have to kill myself to serve people. But in opportunities that I'm given to share the good news, am I wasting them? Am I running away from them? Am I using the excuse I ain't got time, I ain't got?
Speaker 1:time I ain't got time for that the truth is we have to hunger and thirst. Yeah, plain and simple, yeah, we have to hunger, we have to thirst, we have to pick up our cross, and it sounds so basic, it sounds so simple, but it is the truth that we've gotten away from.
Speaker 2:And the reason why we don't hunger and thirst is because we're full of ourself. Right, we're already full of ourselves. There's even no hunger at all because we're already inflated with our own desires, our only flesh. This is why Jesus says I think it was Paul that said this he said don't ever say that Jesus or God tempts you. It is your only flesh desire that entices you to do the things that you want to do. And here's the truth. The Bible says to know what to do and not do. It is a sin. It's a scripture tells us to go and share the good news, to go and make disciples, but yet we ain't making disciples. We're not doing these things. We're falling short of the commands of Jesus Christ in the gospel.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing man, you know pastors and leaders of congregations can't just talk about getting out of the four walls. We talk about it. I've heard it most of my adult life Gotta get out of the four walls, get out of the four walls. Well, leaders have to put themselves and the parishioners in a position to get outside the four. What are you doing? That is, challenging your people and getting them outside, not only on their job and not only when they're with their family, and not only those things. But when are you, as an organization, going to say we're training for this and we're going out on this day, we're going to hit this neighborhood and we're going to win these souls? Start your leadership, man. Look, there's a lot of false gospels out there. There's a lot of false truth. There's a lot of lies, profit, lying.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of craziness going on Like.
Speaker 1:I don't agree with Jehovah's witnesses, obviously for obvious reasons, but, dude, they will knock down somebody's door. And where's the hunger and thirst for true Christians to go out and to preach the gospel and be so hungry for God, and so hungry for God and so burdened for your soul that they're knocking your door down?
Speaker 2:to tell you about Jesus.
Speaker 1:Where's that hunger and thirst at?
Speaker 2:You know, and a lot of that has to be mirrored from the leader.
Speaker 1:For sure.
Speaker 2:The leader doesn't have passion for outreach, you can't expect the people you're raising up to have it. It all starts with us, and I challenge us as leaders, and even laity, to challenge your leaders, yeah.
Speaker 1:When are we going out? Call them out?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, amen. You good brother, I'm good. I don't know if you simmered down a little bit, you got fired up for a minute.
Speaker 1:I was ready to preach a little bit, trying to gas you up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:No man, I'm with it. Um, I definitely think there. I think there's a change coming and I think there there is going to be a church that is truly on fire for god amen. Where they are, they're hearing the, the real preaching and teaching of holiness. Holiness, bro, listen holy they used to say holiness is still right, it is still, it is still required. Without holiness, no man shall see god and we holy as I'm holy right, and we dance around that like, like, like.
Speaker 1:No, there's only one thing that the bible repeats in three successions about god, and that is he is holy, holy and holy. He ain't love, love, love, right? Well, he ain't. He ain't forgive, forgive, mercy, mercy, like he is holy, holy, holy. And we have completely, we've added in all, we've made God in our image instead of making, instead of us being made in his Yep Amen. But anyway, we could go on without him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we could do a whole nother. Yeah, well, let's do this.
Speaker 1:Let's typically what we do at the end of this podcast is we like to do the priestly blessing of Numbers 6, 24-26. It says the Lord bless you and keep you. The Lord make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you. The Lord lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace.
Speaker 1:Hey this is another episode of Pastor to Pastor. We thank you so much for joining and for listening. If you're watching hey, thank you so much for watching Make sure you share, you like, subscribe, do all those kinds of things and send it to somebody who you think this will help. Look, I know we're not the only ones tapped into the vine. I know we are hearing and feeling something that a lot of other people are hearing and feeling. So if you can relate, if you understand, if you feel the same way, hey, I'm not shamed or scared if we can talk about it, not through the Lord.
Speaker 1:Hey, yes sir, yes sir.
Speaker 2:Try Jesus, not me. Okay, my bad, let me go ahead and get out of here, all right. Hey, Sherrod, we thank you so much for watching and listening. We'll see you here next time.
Speaker 1:God bless you.
