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Unraveling Deliverance: Manifestations & Demon Groupings Ep. 5
Ever wondered how to recognize the signs of demonic oppression and fight back effectively? Join Pastors Jason and Seth in a riveting episode of Pastor to Pastor, where they take you into the spiritual trenches of deliverance ministry. Drawing from their impactful mission trips to India, they share vivid stories of confronting demonic entities, including a remarkable encounter with a Hindu snake demon. You'll gain insights into the subtle and overt signals that someone may need deliverance and learn about the indispensable role of discernment and the Holy Spirit in these intense spiritual battles.
Prepare yourself for an eye-opening discussion on the intense physical manifestations that can accompany deliverance sessions, from crying to vomiting. Pastors Jason and Seth emphasize the necessity of readiness, such as having a trash can nearby due to the nature of these expulsions. They introduce the concept of demonic groupings, likening them to military hierarchies, and stress the importance of targeting both the "strong man" and lesser spirits for thorough deliverance. The episode highlights the unpredictable nature of deliverance and underscores the vital role of prayer to ensure all demonic roots are eradicated.
Delving deeper, the episode explores the destructive power of bitterness and rebellion through the lens of Hebrews 12:14-17 and the story of Esau and Jacob. Learn how harboring bitterness can lead to devastating behaviors and why it's crucial to resolve conflicts promptly. The pastors also tackle the spirit of rebellion prevalent in modern society, urging listeners to align their actions with God's will to avoid spiritual pitfalls. The episode concludes with a heartfelt priestly blessing, expressing hopes for divine favor and tranquility in your lives. Tune in for a blend of wisdom, practical insights, and spiritual encouragement that promises to empower your journey in deliverance ministry.
hey, what's up, family? We are back with another episode of pastor to pastor. Pastor jason, you hear him. I got pastor seth right here. We're super excited to be jumping back on topic of deliverance. We took a break and, uh, talked about about India and a lot of stuff with the church.
Speaker 2:A lot of things with the church If you didn't catch it.
Speaker 1:Trust me, it's one you're going to want to listen to and share with leaders and those who are Christians. But today we're jumping back on topic, to deliverance, and we're going to talk about manifestations and groupings. I don't know many people didn't know that there are groupings with deliverances and things that are kind of working together against you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, typically when you find one, you're going to find.
Speaker 1:To be honest man.
Speaker 2:I've thought back and I'm wondering have I ever just cast out one Like sometimes they're paired together?
Speaker 1:man, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2:And I think there's going to be some clarity for people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like you cast out one and you're like oh, there's more. It's like you cast out one and you're like oh, there's more.
Speaker 2:There's more you ain't done. Come on out there. They just keep coming yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like that lady that you prayed for one of our years in India and Jason really wanted to get her healed, man, and he prayed for her about three times because she was like I'm halfway healed, you know, I feel halfway better. And then I'm like I'm almost healed and and I'm like I'm almost healed and Jay's like, nah, get your tail back.
Speaker 2:He ain't the God of the halfway. That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1:But we're going to break these things down and hopefully encourage you in some knowledge and wisdom for manifestations and things that maybe you could actually, if the Lord graces you and I think he's graced us all with this ministry. A lot of us are running shy from it, but even in ourselves we can be able to notice what these things are and what may. Also because there's maybe like a hub of one thing that has teared down other things that we've been, that's built building up in us as well that we can be set free from. Yeah, so let's talk about it man, let's talk about it.
Speaker 1:I just got back from an anniversary trip. I just want to shout out my wife Happy anniversary.
Speaker 2:Happy anniversary.
Speaker 1:She's been blessed for nine years to be married to me Awesome. Hey, let's jump in here at Manifestations, let's talk about it, jay, let's talk about it.
Speaker 2:Hey. So look, this is where we left off in, I think, episode four with Deliverance. So we're picking this up in Manifestations and look, we're picking this up in manifestations and look when demons are confronted and pressured through spiritual warfare. There are many times they demonstrate a particular nature through specific ways, their particular nature through specific ways. If you remember when we were in India one time before man, when you call for people or for people to come up for prayer in India, you can expect to pray for almost every single person that's in the audience.
Speaker 1:And they'll try to get a double portion. They'll come to the next person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they will.
Speaker 1:I'm like hold on, hold on.
Speaker 2:He just prayed for you, okay, and so one thing that was interesting man I noticed, or that we did when we were there a few years back, is we were all ministering on stage and there were so many people who came up because we specifically felt the need for deliverance and we're like, if you feel like there's a dark presence in your life and you just can't seem to get away from it, you feel like there's a dark cloud over you, we want you to come to the altar man, the altar was flooded with people and the gospel had been preached. We had done, we had done our worship and and we were like I remember looking over the people. There were so many I mean, there were probably several hundred and we're just like how do we, how do you discern who really needs it? So right, I remember in that moment we're talking about pressuring demons like, um, darkness is exposed when light shows up right, absolutely.
Speaker 2:And so we began to pray for the light of heaven to come and to illuminate the darkness man. Look, we would literally see people's faces like contorting and like shaking, and I'm like there's one right there, there's one right there like no eye contact, when you make eye contact a lot yeah, exactly right. I mean, there are these signs, they they manifest themselves and so I see you, you getting this thing you get somebody, go get her right or get him.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I mean. So there are when. What we're saying here is that when light shows up, darkness shows up, darkness is exposed. And that's what we should say.
Speaker 2:And so I remember when we come off stage and one time in particular, and and one of the pastors was with us, laid hands on her and this one lady in particular and she went down to her knees and I would kind of go behind him and try to help minister, and the Holy Spirit said stop. And he used an old word, terry I don't use that word, right, that's right. But he said Terry, and I'm like okay, well, let's hang out a little bit. So I'm just sitting there with this lady.
Speaker 2:She's on her knees, she's crying and she don't know English and I don't know Telugu, but I felt led to say this. So I get down on my knees, I look at her in the face and I said the contract that was entered with you years ago is now void, in the name of Jesus. And immediately she starts contorting her body like this. Well, later we found out it was a snake, god, right, a Hindu snake, god, snake demon is what it is, yeah, and so she starts contorting herself, and you could easily see what nature the spirit was through the way it was manifesting itself.
Speaker 2:So we knew, even without her saying we knew we were dealing with the snake demon, the Hindu idol or demon over there In that village. In that village, in that village. So when we talk about them manifesting and showing you their nature, that's what we're talking about. You can tell a spirit of pride easy when you're ministering to somebody because of the way they act.
Speaker 2:I mean they're quick to throw their nose up, or cross their arms or not want to hear or listen or try to over-talk you. They manifest with their nature and so a lot of times you can know without even talking to a man. This is what I'm dealing with yeah, absolutely that.
Speaker 1:That particular woman that we were you were just talking about jay I mean she was slithering. I remember she was slithered under the tarp we had to drag her back out of the tarp and um you know not only sticking her tongue. Yeah, not only will they manifest physically, but they will talk to you. Yeah, and this was our very first delivery, so we're like oh, crap, oh man, yeah, we're starting off really big here, dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I remember that demon said who gives you authority to speak to me? For I was there when Adam was deceived in the garden and we all looking at each other like, okay, we're dealing with some ancient demons and stuff.
Speaker 2:This ain't no tiny little end, but we were with that lady for six hours.
Speaker 1:Seven. I think we cast out seven demons out of her and it was just. It was crazy. But you know, just keep this in mind. This is one thing Alexander Pagani told us If God has you there, deliver them.
Speaker 1:We shy in america away from these things because we don't know how to deal with it. Which is why this is important podcast and teaching for people to get is because what do you do when god allows you to be exposed to it? Are you going to cower away and run? Are you going to do what the spirit gave us the power and the authority to do, which is to cast out these things and set people free? And the beautiful thing is is this woman gave her life to Christ the next night, came back to the crusade, took communion with the family of Christ and her husband and was able to have a baby.
Speaker 1:This demon said she will never have kids. I already killed two of them. The next year, had this, had the baby, saw the baby, held the baby, the baby's good. I mean, it's just. You know it's amazing. When you're obedient to christ and obedient to the authority, you have what happens, but you got to be able to notice it. You just can't show up and you're going to be discernment, have the holy spirit teaching you and guiding you and stuff, and so yeah, but they'll, they'll manifest and they'll, they'll tell you, like you said, with, with the spirit of pride when it manifests you know, and we've had you know like, and so another one that's pretty common, I think is uh like a mocking spirit yeah like I've been preaching before, and a mocking spirit manifests and I literally have to grip my mic and speak over the mocking spirit yeah um, not to create a distraction and leading those situations, especially in the middle of a service.
Speaker 2:You've got 100-plus people and you're trying to. I'm trying to steward the service and still make sure things are moving without getting too crazy. So navigating that can be interesting. But later the person was delivered in a side room somewhere. So the ministers handle that thing differently.
Speaker 1:Even in the Scripture there was the mocking spirit, the color of the python spirit too which is. They blend in and they're like these truly are the men of God, and I think it was Peter he's like, okay, get out of here yeah, yeah yeah, you're just trying to get close enough just to be able to cause disruption and distract people and stuff, and so, yeah, I mean it's biblical.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So you can see, definitely, when we're talking about that, they manifest themselves typically in their own nature, like you don't even have to sometimes conversate with them and look, man, there's a different, there's different thoughts here. Like I've talked with some people and they're like I don't care what their name is, like they got to come out, oh yeah, and and I believe that, and they come out regardless. But I do believe, at least from my experience, that the more targeted and direct you are, the more you know what you're dealing with yeah then the easier it is to target the prayer and the commandments and and to command them to come out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you don't want to just spray shotgun. I mean you want to actually hit, you want to go straight to the target and and this is where we talk about prep too I mean you prep, pray into what you're getting ready to do, walk into deliverance. God, give us wisdom, give us discernment. Let's see inside of this person what's the struggle. Let's be able to call these things directly out. This is why deliverance doesn't happen one day. I mean it's a prepping process. It happens days before. We talked about this previously. To fast and to pray, put a meal to the side and, especially if you're prepping for it or going into it to be delivered, prep yourself and stuff, and so the Holy Spirit will speak and you can be able to see really what needs to be cast out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, probably another one too. That'll manifest itself even before they get. There will be like the spirit of fear.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, absolutely that's that went with that for sure yeah, that well.
Speaker 2:We've been through delivering sessions together and after the person be like man, I almost didn't come yep like I was. Just I don't know why, I was just scared, I was anxious, I started having a headache and my back started hurting my legs wasn't working. I mean all kind of like the spirit knows what's coming oh, yeah, and and will try to prevent you from coming to a session a deliverance session because they know what's what's going to happen yeah, and even convince themselves they don't need it actually yeah, yeah I don't need it, you know, it's just in my mind.
Speaker 2:Uh, your mind is definitely telling you something false, that's for sure yeah, yeah, you got to be able to discern that as well yeah, yeah, let's talk real quick about maybe some evidence of deliverance, like some things you've noticed when a person is really set free. What are some things that you've noticed, like as far as evidence of deliverance?
Speaker 1:Well, there's a piece. I think there's an instant piece, one that I've noticed. One of the most recent ones that we've done is just this appearance is different.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You. It's just this appearance is different. Yeah, you see that as well. Oh yeah, their whole countenance has changed. Everything completely changes. It's like a sigh of relief, like, okay, now I am who I am. I'm truly who I am. Now I'm not led or controlled by anything. There's this freedom. I think there's this sense of peace as well and again, we talked about this before too there's this infilling of the Holy Spirit from the emptiness in that moment, and you see a huge shift in their actions and the way they are carrying themselves. You can definitely see it.
Speaker 2:I've seen people cry. I mean seriously, I'm not talking about just like a little puppy dog, I'm talking about like literally cry oh yeah. Seeing people cough, cough, cough People vomit, that's typically a big one. I yeah, seeing people cough cough cough people vomit, that's typically a big one. I mean, normally when we're doing a deliverance session there's a trash can there?
Speaker 1:because, oh yeah, I thought you were talking about afterwards, like the evidence that they have been delivered. But yeah, absolutely Sorry, I misunderstood what you were asking me no, no, no, yeah, absolutely yeah. Keep a trash can nearby.
Speaker 2:Keep a trash can and their stomach per se Like I've never seen food. It's always been this mucus and this.
Speaker 1:Vow. I mean yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So it's quite interesting that they're throwing up, but I think it's more of an inner, deeper cleansing. Yeah, not necessarily associated with the stomach muscle or the stomach organ itself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right.
Speaker 2:But an inner cleaning.
Speaker 1:Is that not?
Speaker 2:crazy. Yeah, you would think people I mean we were talking about like dry heaving, but I've never seen any actual like I could tell you had corn for lunch, right. I've not seen that. So it's just kind of strange. Though when you think about people throwing up, you think of man they're throwing up their lunch or whatever, but no, I've never seen that. I've just found that interesting to think about that. They have thrown up, right, but it's been just typically like a mucus, sometimes a black, dark mucus.
Speaker 1:And it's quite interesting, yeah, yeah. And you know coughing, vomiting, sneezing. You know we went to some deliverance training. There's some crazy places that are things that can cause the evidence to leave and stuff Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's quite interesting, but but, but what you did hit on man was really right on target, I think, for a lot of ways is there's this peace that comes about the person and you can tell their countenance has changed. Yeah, that you, you almost know like, all right, yeah, they're good, yeah, and there are times where you're like, uh, that was one, now, where's the next?
Speaker 1:one yeah, there's, there's Right.
Speaker 2:And which is a great way to kind of get into the groupings that we were going to talk about Absolutely so. There are. We've talked about a lot of different things through these. And look, this is the fifth installment. If you haven't heard the other four, we encourage you to go back and listen to the deliverance, because they kind of connect with one another and it's important that you get all the information.
Speaker 2:Right absolutely so. We've definitely talked about manifestation steps, deliverance, all those kind of things, but we've also talked about the signs of deliverance, right, yeah, but let's talk about some groupings, because I think that this is probably something that will be new information for most people is that demons are typically grouped together. I don't recall ever just casting out one. Yeah, when I think about it, and there's no, typically you got like what you call your strong man, your root spirit, and then there's typically these other spirits.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and look at it as like military ranking. A lot of demonic structure is like military ranking. You have the head and then you have those below, those below, and you never, you never see one by itself. Um, they're, they're together, and so there's a grouping and if you can find the main one or or even even not the main one, but it will lead you to there, if you, if you can kind of have discernment, pray and really study these things and say, okay, if I've called out the spirit of pride and something has manifested out while we're here, let's go ahead and call out the things that we know are associated with this thing, just to make sure we're getting it all and don't let it hide away. And so groupings is super important to consider when you're delivering people, because you're really doing a clean sweep of that person and there's no real rhyme or reason.
Speaker 2:Man, I've prayed for people had them delivered, and it's through God's leading what you end up doing. And that's why you should front load everything with prayer, like we've talked about several times now.
Speaker 1:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2:But there are some times where I've caught out the strong man first and there are times where I've dealt with the lesser spirits and then got to the strong man last yeah and so it's kind of uh, it's kind of a. There's no rhyme or reason to it. I wish I knew. Hey, every time we go in here, this is what I'm gonna start with, or but. But it's just, they just kind of, when they show up, you just cast them out yeah, yeah, and some, some are a lot easier than the others.
Speaker 1:when you talk about the strong one and then the lesser, then Some of those are really fight back, talk back it depends on how deep their root is. Some of them want to get slapped by you, but you can't remember, you're not slapping the person.
Speaker 2:That's right. We ain't slapping nobody, You're slapping the person. Yeah, don't be doing that. We've seen some things in other countries that are like man, they're going to need a healing when you get done, get our pinky back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bro, man, let's move on, man.
Speaker 2:But yeah, there's no rhyme or reason to it. It's not uncommon, too, for you to be delivering somebody and for you to hear them say hey, come out and bring the roots with you, yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2:Or come out and bring all your roots. That's not an uncommon thing, and so let's talk about one that I know scripturally. First, what we need to do is we need to come on back to the Bible. Yeah, we got to get them back to the Bible, right? So let's look at one of the main ones that I think the people deal with and don't realize, and that's the root of bitterness.
Speaker 2:Like that is a strong man that a lot of people either don't realize that they have, or they don't realize that everything else they're dealing with is attached to that and it creates a lot of responses, and reactions to a lot of situations absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2:And one of the greatest um stories about it really is uh, if you look at hebrews 12, uh, 14 through 17, if you want to hebrews 12, 14 through 17 this is a big one for people, right? Um, the writer says like pursue peace with all people and holiness, without which no one will see the lord. But we talked about that recently. Yeah, uh, looking carefully, least any anyone falls short of the grace of god. Least any root of bitterness springing up, call, cause trouble, right, and by this many become defiled. I want to read that again. Yeah, at least any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled. Right, at least there are any fornicator or profane person like Esau great story for this who, for one morsel of food, sold his birthright. For you know that afterward, when he wanted to inherit the blessing, he was rejected and found no place for repentance.
Speaker 1:Bro, that's rough, even though he sought it diligently with tears, right, yeah, we have, uh, we have to be careful that we don't open ourselves up like this and that we pursue peace and holiness yeah and scripture says at least any root of bitterness spring up and cause trouble this is why you know, this is why scripture is very clear that if you have a problem with someone, go quickly, do it quickly. Don't even come to the altar, don't even come to a place of worship and try to offer any worship until you fix this stuff, because of how big bitterness can destroy not just the relationship but your inside and what it opens the door to.
Speaker 2:And look what happened with Esau and all the descendants after Esau. Oh man, I mean root of bitterness, the Hatfield and McCoys. I mean that's a huge historical family feud. I mean literally bitterness. Man has ruined so many people's lives and so many generations of lives. Look at Israel and the other Arab nations. That's all from the root of bitterness.
Speaker 2:Anyway so there are a lot of people walking around right now with the root of bitterness against someone right and they said this or they said that, and I don't like this or I don't like that. Scripture says many have become defiled or contaminated by this. Esau despised and resented his birthright and sold it. Because of his actions, he couldn't repent and receive. He couldn't get back what he gave up.
Speaker 1:And what happens when someone is contaminated.
Speaker 2:They contaminate other people.
Speaker 1:Yep, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:And so resentment is under the grouping of bitterness right, so like if you've got bitterness, resentment is typically attached to bitterness and a few others.
Speaker 1:You know hatred and violence, temper, anger, retaliation and murder.
Speaker 2:And scripture proves this in the story of esau if you read the story of esau right, it's in genesis 27, 41 through 42. So Esau, right. It's in Genesis 27, 41 through 42. So Esau hated, right. There's another root Hated Jacob because of the blessing which his father blessed him. And Esau said in his heart the day of mourning for my father are at hand, Then I will kill. There's murder. My brother and the words of Esau, her son, were told to Rebekah. So she sent and called Jacob, her younger son, and told him Surely your brother Esau, comforts himself concerning you by intending to kill you.
Speaker 1:So we see bitterness, we see anger Resentment, murder, murder.
Speaker 2:Hatred. Yeah, all of that attached to the root of bitterness is the strong man. The strong man was bitterness.
Speaker 1:Yep, absolutely. Let's talk about another grouping and rebellion right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The spirit of the Antichrist. I mean, you really don't want that in you.
Speaker 2:That's kind of a problem, right yeah.
Speaker 1:People who rebel, they use the antichrist, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, get out of here, judas.
Speaker 1:Disobedience is of disrespect for authority and really, as generations are coming up, this right here is showering youth today, absolutely Especially when it comes to disobedience and disrespect to authority.
Speaker 2:Not just the youth, bro, listen. I've been in law enforcement for almost 20 years now and the amount of people, look. I've literally stopped kids from throwing rocks at cars driving down the street, damaging cars, running the risk of the person swerving and hitting them and killing them, and brought them to the police station and called parents. And parents show up, infuriated at the fact that you did anything with their children, infuriated at the fact that I didn't even charge them. I just wanted their parents to come get them and know what they were doing. They were infuriated at the fact that I stopped and talked to their children.
Speaker 1:So backwards, man.
Speaker 2:I'm like do you realize what could have happened and what was prevented from happening? Instead of thanking me and saying, hey, I'll take care of this, sir, it became a really. I ended up having to tell people look, just go ahead and go, just take your kids and leave. And so now the kids are growing up realizing how their parents acted, and now we've created a whole generation of rebellion.
Speaker 1:Yep, that's it.
Speaker 2:Against authority.
Speaker 1:Well, god has established authority in the home, in the church and in government. God himself is, of course, our supreme authority. Scripture talks about that as well. To assert our self-will above God's divine order is to entertain the demons of rebellion. It's where you've got to realize your actions are supporting either god's will or the enemy's will for your life. Absolutely, your actions matter, and what you're, what you're allowing to come in as well. Let's look at first samuel 15, 23 to 24. It talks about saul's rebellion and we see, as you know this story, what it leads to, for rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft wait a minute.
Speaker 2:So if I'm rebelling, then um kind of practicing. It's kind of like practicing witchcraft yep, that's what scripture says oh yeah, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.
Speaker 1:What, my goodness son, I need to preach this sunday? Yes, my god, I got some people in mind. Because you have rejected the word of the Lord, he also has rejected you from being king.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's talking to Saul yeah absolutely Verse 24,.
Speaker 1:then Saul said to Samuel I have sinned, for I have transgressed the commandment of the Lord and your words, because I feared the people and obeyed their voice. I think this is why in the New Testament you see it sprinkled throughout scriptures where it says we don't live to please man, we live to please God.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Because when you get focused on pleasing man, you allow these types of things to enter your heart.
Speaker 2:Exactly, it's the same thing with pastors.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2:That's scary, bro, absolutely.
Speaker 1:It's what we talked about last week. Exactly you, that's scary bro.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, it's what we talked about last week Exactly. You better stand on the truth of God's word. If we are living for the applause of man and not the pleasing of God, we're practicing some of these very same things.
Speaker 1:And opening the door for people who are leading to practice those things and realize that we are and you can't correct them, because you were doing the same thing. We are providing the handcuffs for people to be bound yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:And so you look here at some of the groupings along with that, uh, with the with, with rebellion, the antichrist spirit, really, um self-will like I, I can do it by myself and I should do it for myself. Yeah, um stubbornness, disobedience yeah, stubbornness is not a gift of the spirit.
Speaker 1:Okay, are you sure? Or pettiness? Let's say that, come on somebody, they're not fruits of the spirit.
Speaker 2:no, those a gift of the Spirit. Okay, are you sure? Or pettiness, let's say that, come on somebody, they're not fruits of the Spirit, no.
Speaker 1:Those are fruits of the flesh. Some of you are gifted in that area and you need to repent.
Speaker 2:Let's move on here right. And we got anti-submission. Bro, that is a cuss word. Submit to somebody. Come on, bro Ain, submit to nobody. Heck, no man. Anyway, you talking right. Bishop and saw didn't want to do any of this right, and and he chose to please man over obeying god and god cut him off.
Speaker 1:Yep, god cut him off. Not not only did he lose his, his leadership role and the blessing of god, but he lost his life. And all that, yeah, because of what? Which? Again, when you allow these things to overtake you, it gets you in a state of depression, because that's the overall goal right still kill and destroy that's all the devil's trying to do yep like, and so it.
Speaker 2:It drives me crazy, man, when you see people like, even in other religions, worshiping and we know this to be true, and especially in india. You're worshiping demons. Their thought is if I worship the big demon, the little demons won't bother me. Yeah, their goal is to steal, kill and destroy that is all they're there for they're not helping you. They're not protecting you. They're providing a path for your destruction oh, yeah, absolutely so absolutely anyway.
Speaker 2:Um, disobedience is a form of rebellion. You are choosing your way instead of gods. How often does this uh go well for people, right, like, how often does that typically do well for people? Yeah, not good at all how'd it go for jonah, who wasted a lot of time? I mean, if you want to be in the belly of a fish, near death, and then being uh, you know cast out on the beach when you finally decide to do what god's asked you to do?
Speaker 2:yeah, I mean, if that's what you want, hey, go about it, right. But when you walk into disobedience you can expect a hard life oh, absolutely, absolutely but man, look, there's uh, several groupings that go along together. These are just, and these are, these are come on back to bible.
Speaker 2:These are biblical examples. Absolutely. We're not just pulling this out saying hey. But what's funny, man, is during. When you go through this training and when you start digging and studying, what you'll find out is a lot of the things that you read about in quote-unquote. Science or in um psychology is already discussed and talked about in Scripture.
Speaker 1:Yes, sir.
Speaker 2:Because now psychologists in the DSM it was, I think, four when I was going through school, it's probably ten now In the book they used to talk about mental illness and diagnose mental illness. Those things are exactly what Scripture's already pointed out. So they're just uncovering what Scripture's already laid out for us. And so when you start studying and doing these things, you start piecing together things you've seen before and you start realizing man, scripture's already got the answer to all this for us. That's right.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:But anyway, you good to go. I'm good Brother, I'm going to go ahead and bless the people and send them on their way and we thank you so much for being a part of Pastor to Pastor. We hope you've learned something, at least given you something to dig into and study through and be prepared for deliverance. Because, listen, I'm going to tell you, a problem in America is we medicate what needs to be delivered.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2:We have literally gone to the doctor to be medicated and prescribed medicine for something that needs to be cast out but, and if we, I think we can make this available.
Speaker 1:If you're interested in getting a list of these groupings and things we can get it to you is that right, yeah yeah, so just reach out, we'll get you the material that you need so you can kind of get your eye on and expose the things that may be connected to much deeper things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure. So anyway, if you're good to go, we want to read the priestly blessing to you. It says the Lord bless you and keep you. Lord, make his face shine upon you. Lord, be gracious to you. The Lord lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace. Hey, thank you so much for listening to pastor the pastor. We look forward to catching you here next time all right, we'll see you here, god bless you give him praise.
