Noah Kahan's Silent Struggle: Masculinity, Body Image, and Finding a Voice

He sells out Madison Square Garden, walks off stage, opens Instagram, and the first thought that hits is disgust about his body. That single moment in Noah Kahan’s Netflix documentary “Out Of Body” captures something we see constantly in our work: you can reach the goal you dreamed about and still feel hijacked by body dysmorphia, perfectionism, and a brain that won’t let you rest.

We recap the documentary through a mental health and body image lens, pulling out the scenes that made us tear up and the lines we can’t stop thinking about. We talk family trauma and the grief of the conversations you never have, the radical acceptance that comes with not being able to choose your parents or rewrite the past, and the strange whiplash of going from career-high moments to regular life the very next morning. We also connect the dots between safety, nervous system regulation, and creativity, and why returning to a place that feels grounding can change everything.

A big focus is men’s body image and disordered eating. Noah names body dysmorphia, shame, and a restrict binge cycle, while also admitting he didn’t know what his “place” was in talking about it. We unpack why so many men struggle in silence, how social media and photos can become a compulsive body-checking trap, and how the “life thief” can steal weddings, milestones, and joy by pulling you out of the moment.

If you’ve ever thought, “Why can’t I just be happy after something good happens?”, this conversation will land. Subscribe for more episodes on body image and mental health, share this with someone who needs it, and leave a review with the scene or quote that hit you hardest.

Show notes:

Trigger warning: this show is not medical, nutrition, or mental health treatment and is not a replacement for meeting with a Registered Dietitian, Licensed Mental Health Provider, or any other medical provider. You can find resources for how to find a provider, as well as crisis resources, in the show notes. Listener discretion is advised.

Resource links:

Alliance for Eating Disorders: https://www.allianceforeatingdisorders.com/ 

ANAD: https://anad.org/

NEDA: https://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/

NAMI: https://nami.org/home

Action Alliance: https://theactionalliance.org/

NIH: https://www.nimh.nih.gov/

How to find a provider: 

https://map.nationaleatingdisorders.org/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us

https://www.healthprofs.com/us/nutritionists-dietitians?tr=Hdr_Brand

Suicide & crisis awareness hotline: call 988 (available 24/7)

Eating Disorder hotline: call or text 800-931-2237 (Phone line is available Monday-Thursday 11 am-9 pm ET and Friday 11 am-5 pm ET; text line is available Monday-Thursday 3-6 pm ET and Friday 1-5 pm ET)

If you are experiencing a psychiatric or medical emergency, please call 911 or go to your nearest emergency room.

Transcript

Trigger Warnings And Disclaimers

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Hi, everybody. Welcome to this week's episode of the Nourish and Empower Podcast. Trigger warning before we start. We are identifying the following triggers that will be discussed but are not limited to eating disorders, mental health, body dysmorphia, specifically for men. Listener discretion is advised. This show is not medical, nutrition, or mental health treatment and is not a replacement for meeting with a registered dietitian, licensed mental health provider, or any other medical provider. You can find resources for how to find a provider as well as crisis resources in the show notes. And today's episode, we are going to be doing a recap of the Noah Khan out of body documentary that was on Netflix last week.

SPEAKER_02 0:48

It was so good. And did anybody, I wonder, you have to let us know if you guys got our little Easter eggs of all of our posts having a Noah Khan song. We try to be fun. We try to be hip, you know what I mean? So you guys gotta let us know if you picked up on it.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

We try to be Taylor Swift, is what we were trying to do. At least what I was trying to do. I was like, I'm gonna drop some Easter eggs. And and all of our posts from the past two to three days have all been related to themes coming up in this documentary, like body dysmorphia, mental health, you know, and body image for men, body image in general. So we also tried to intentionally put some content out that relates to the documentary as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:32

We did, we did. The documentary, I know I gave you a heart attack this morning when I said, listen, I say this with love. But this documentary was a lot more emotional than I anticipated it being. I don't really know what I thought, but I wasn't expect I mean, honestly, I shouldn't be shocked that I like got emotional because it's like my well, it's just who I am. But it was definitely a lot, it was a lot more vulnerable than I thought it was going to be. And I loved that he cried during the documentary. Like every time he like shed a tear, I was like, yes, we're showing those emotions. But I thought it was beautifully done. I thought it was awesome, and I thought there were so many good takeaways for people. Like, not even just eating disorder and like body image-wise. I just thought, like, in general, like, I know I sent you this quote, and hold on, let me find it in our text messages. But I know at one point he said, and I'm going to curse. Apologies, everybody, just because I want to say what he said. But like, even him being like, I want to be perfect, and I'm like not going to be, but I haven't taken the first step into imperfection yet. Like, I just need to jump onto the what did I say? Oh, I need to jump onto the fucking diving board, dude. I feel like that's just what I have to do. And so I feel like for so many themes of what we support our clients with, whether it's anxiety, depression, perfectionism, bodies, body image, he just got the conglomerate and I thought he was so epic of it. Like I thought it was just so awesome what he put out there.

Family Trauma And Radical Acceptance

SPEAKER_00 3:14

Yeah, yeah, couldn't agree more. I'm curious, what were what were some of the parts for you that you found to be the most emotional?

SPEAKER_02 3:22

Great question. The part that really stuck out to me was like, I think it was towards the end of the documentary or the last like half hour or so, where he was like, There are always conversations you want to have with your parents before you die, and like you never actually have them. And I think him being so vulnerable and honest just about family dynamics and about how his family trauma is a lot of what his music is, and or like what his music is about, and just seeing how he even took ownership of like, I have to allow my dad to be who he is, and I have to be okay with that. And just being so raw in I can't choose who my parents are, I can't choose of the ways that you know they tr decide to live, or you know, they decide who they are, and that's not like what I took from it, that's not for him to decide. And so that radical acceptance of this is who they are and this is what our life is, and being okay with that, I just thought was monumental because it's true, right? Like you don't get to choose the family you're born into, you don't get to choose, I mean, the horrific accident his dad was in, and he was in a coma, and you know, a lot of the world his family's life and world was flipped upside down after that, and he was never the same. Like you can't pick who your family is, and you can't decide what your family goes through or how your family processes and heals from certain things. So, right, and like his parents getting divorced during COVID, I'm pretty sure he said they got divorced in 2020, like they were all grown. Like, and you know, I I talk about this sometimes with friends of like what's more difficult for kids in the realm of divorce, getting divorced at a young age or getting divorced at an older age. You know what I mean? And so seeing how he went through all of that at such an adult age and you know, just everything that his family went through I felt was just so relatable. And even how he like dark humor is a coping skill, my family knows that very well. Like, even how in some of his shows he'd be like, Oh, you we tried to like represent my mom's, you know, living room, but sorry, the child we couldn't put the childhood trauma like as nicely as we wanted to in there, but like just know that like it's in the backdrop. Like, I just I think he's just such a he's a person. And I thought it was interesting. Sorry, I'm just literally like word vomiting everything, but I also just loved how he even said, I feel like I've lost myself and I don't know who I am anymore. And it's so interesting, right? That like his experience is I'm losing myself. However, in the documentary, all I saw was a person. Like I didn't see a celebrity, I didn't see someone who was trying to be someone. And like, granted, I don't know who he is. So me being like, he was just trying to be himself. Like, to me, I think I I think he really captured who he is as a person and what his struggles were. And I just thought that was beautiful because he wasn't trying to be like, yeah, I'm famous. And he was like, no, this is a lot to take in. And I want to move out of Nashville. I want to be able to be in like my hometown and go back to, you know, the place that gives me the most serenity, and I want to be who I am again and a singer-songwriter and not lose myself into all of that. And I just thought he was. I loved him before, but I'm utterly obsessed with him now. I am.

unknown 7:07

I am.

Pressure, Perfectionism, And What’s Next

SPEAKER_02 7:08

Sorry, that was a lot. Yeah, no, there's like a what'd you say? No, I said that was a lot, but that was just like all of the things. I don't know what to comment on.

SPEAKER_00 7:17

There's too much, but I was gonna say there's like, yeah, such a genuineness and like an authenticity, but I also love the dichotomy of playing like the biggest show of his career. And then that next morning he was like making the coffee, and then his mom made him put on the the booth, and they were just like having to go to the little pond, and yes, and like put the the the dock out, and you know, he's like in the little kayak, like paddling it out. And I was just like the dichotomy of that, of just like you literally went from like the highest high possible to just like back to real life the next day. And I, you know, and and just the pressure that comes along with it, like that to me was such a theme throughout. Like I felt that at the beginning, and I felt like they did such a great job capturing this, but I could like almost feel the pressure building throughout the documentary, and then it hit that point where he was just like, I don't know where to go from here, I don't know what my career is gonna be like after this. And I was like, you know, like you saw the explosion go off, and I was like, wow, like the pressure cooker that he was under. Like, amazing that he's, you know, back home and and and got out of it.

SPEAKER_02 8:28

Oh my God, I know. When he even said, and that's why I loved again, like I felt like he was so human for it because there were so many times where he was like, No, I always fear like what's next, right? And he goes to therapy, proud of you, sir. And he was like, Yeah, like my therapist said, like, failure is part of it. I have to accept it. And he was like, and I just haven't yet. Like I don't want to get to the point of failing. Like I want to keep pleasing and I want to keep giving my fans, you know, what they deserve, and I want to keep putting out great music and all that. And, you know, you don't know what's gonna be a hit and what's gonna flop, right? Like how many artists in the 90s were like, oh my god, they were a one-hit wonder, but it like hit and it was so good, right? Like, you don't know if you're going to be a one-hit wonder or if you're going to be a wonder. And so for him to be honest, of like, because I think he was talking to his brother who was doing like blacksmith stuff, and he was like, and his brother, I think, asked him at one point, like, do you ever fear of or is that a different part? Maybe he was talking to his brother in New York City. I digress, whichever part it was. But someone asked him, like, do you ever fear that one day you're gonna fail and it's not gonna be? And he's like, No, I think about that every day. And it's just like things might come naturally to him. And I loved the part at the again towards the end, where his he went back to Vermont and he was with his old vocal coach and or music teacher. His teacher even said, like, two minutes in, you could see the music flowing out of him. And it's like you just there it there is such a mental thing, like mental, emotional, physical, like the whole gamut. He proved how when you're in a in a place that you feel safe in, your body's going to be regulated, your nervous system's going to be great, you're going to feel like emotionally secure and sound. And then that writer's block is just gone. And it just to watch him literally in I mean real time, but like to watch him walk into that studio, even like my air quotes, because it was like literally the guy's basement, but it had all the things, and then you just saw him write everything. I was like, that's it incredible.

SPEAKER_00 10:41

Yeah, yeah, that that part was really cool. It just was like happening so so so quickly.

Body Dysmorphia And Disordered Eating

SPEAKER_02 10:49

Fluidly for him. Like that is such a gift to be so talented, to be able to just like not even just write lyrics, but how in your head, like Charlie Pooth always just blows my mind how he can just like hear all the notes and do all the things. I'm like, I don't understand, or that video of Justin Bieber like conducting the orchestra, and he's like, You do B fly, you do this, and like it's just a beautiful song. Like, how the how do you do this? But I digress. But it was like it's just so awesome to see how he was able to do all of that and bringing it full circle to our conversation today. I loved this documentary because in everyone's eyes, he has it all, and yet he's anxious, he's depressed, he has a shame section of his closet for because of his body image issues, and he identified that he has at times a restrained, uh restrict binge cycle. You never know what someone is going through, and I loved that somebody that we idolize and put on this pedestal of you have everything because you're rich and famous, is like actually no.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

I loved this documentary, it was so good.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

Yeah, there was a part of it. I'm just gonna pull out my notes from it because there was a part of it. I don't know the exact quote, but basically what I wrote down is he was talking about how he hasn't discussed his body dysmorphia or like the restrict binge cycle because he said something along the lines of like he doesn't know what his place in the world is with this issue. And that like really, really struck me because it just reminded me of like how many people in general, but also specifically how many men struggle with body dysmorphia, struggle with disordered eating and hold it in and struggle silently and you know, don't seek help or or don't know what their place is. And it just reminds me so much of when we spoke to Eric and Eric talked about like when he wrote that initial post on Instagram to like share about his eating disorder and his struggles and just like the like mental gymnastics that you do of like, do I post it, do I not post it? You know, how's it gonna be received? All of that. And then like he finally, you know, he posted it and like it was received with so much like love and grace from people, and he's built this amazing community. And I was just thinking so much about that of just like not just struggling, but like struggling in silence, yes, for so long. Like Noah Khan literally said 15 years he felt like he was struggling with this, and that just to me was like such an impactful part.

SPEAKER_02 13:32

I agree. I think that was in the part where he was actually in the gym and he was to really talk, which I honestly I don't know if they did this on purpose, but I found it very interesting, and this could just be my psychobabble brain, that he was shirtless talking about his body image.

SPEAKER_00 13:52

I agree. I also noted that, like when he was doing the push-ups, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:56

Yeah, he was doing the push-ups, the the whole workout routine. He's shirtless talking about how he's never felt comfortable in his skin. And it's one of those things where it's like, did you do that? Like, did you do that intentionally because you wanted to be so raw and vulnerable about your body? So you were like, if I'm, you know, like if I'm almost I know he wasn't actually naked, but like, are you so like naked that you are then vulnerably naked so you can have this conversation? Or was it more like, was that like a Hollywood-esque vibe to it? Or were you just like that's naturally what you work out in? And you know, like I there were so many things where I saw that and I was like, this is such a hard conversation to talk about with clothes on. And the fact that you had this conversation and your body was literally on display for everybody to see, and you had the courage to sit there and talk about it and how you've been struggling for 15 years and how you haven't wanted, like you didn't know how to have this conversation because you don't know your place. Like that to me was monumental, and I can't imagine how hard that was for him. Yeah. To go through all that.

SPEAKER_00 15:09

What did you think of the moment when I think it was after he performed at MSG, and then he was immediately like looking at it? Almost looked like live nation. He was immediately looking at like the Instagram field, and you know, they they posted like a couple pictures and videos from the concert, and like immediately, I forget exactly what he said, but he immediately made like a negative comment about his body. It was like the first thing after he literally just performed at MSG. What what did you take away from that?

SPEAKER_02 15:39

You're a person. Like again, he just humanized himself, and it's just like he literally reminded me of our clients where they're like, I don't like taking pictures because I immediately go and I look at my body and I identify all the things that I don't like or whatever. And he did it to see if his fans were having a good time. He did it to make sure that he could put on a good show, and then immediately he was like, Oh, I look fat in that. Like, that's a disgusting picture. And I was like, My heart, like my heart bleeds for our clients, like my heart bled for him. Like, you literally performed. And I loved it. That part too. They posted, I think it was a tweet that he put out in 2019. And he was like, I don't think I will ever sell out MSG. And like, I hope one day like I'm able to, but if not, I hope he'll just have me for however long he will. And I was like, You're amazing, and then like, and then he performed there, like he he did the dang thing, and then seeing that he accomplished a goal, he never thought he would, and then at the end of it, what his body looked like meant the most to him. And I was like, You had such a moment, and to then be like, that's what they saw, but no, but everyone sees your smile, they see your light, they hear your music, like another part that really got me was when he sang to the girl with cancer, I was inconsolable. Shocker, because it's like again, and we say this to our clients all the time you are so much more than your body, and in that moment, like you literally had someone who was like, You helped me through so many of my treatments, like you got me through my tough times, blah blah blah, all this stuff. And like in my head, I was like, I wonder if he heard her. Like, were you listening or did you hear? Because she didn't care at any point what your body looked like. You like helped save her life during cancer treatments, and it just like you know, I just felt obviously he's not one of our clients, but like, unless Noah, you ever need anything, let us know. We're a great dynamic duo, but like, I I just felt like he was just so perfectly portraying what so many people go through of you could have had the highest of the high and still you could bring down just because you're concerned about something that in that moment didn't matter. Which then makes me bring up the question. And I'm one and I'm curious too, like what was going through your head when you when you saw that part, because in my head I was like, were you actually thinking about your body while you were performing?

SPEAKER_00 18:42

Yeah, I mean, I actually so similarly, I forget if the the interaction with the little girl thought happened before the scene of looking at like the Instagram pictures after MSG or it happened after, but I also connected those two things together in my mind when I was watching it, and I was thinking about I was like, I don't know how many people MSG can hold, but like tens of thousands of people, right? Like the most amount of people. And I was just having this thought of like every single person in there is coming to this concert, right? Having like some kind of connection. And especially like Nilcon, Nilcon's interesting to me than doing this documentary because I don't feel like I know actually anything about him except that he no, sorry, I looked it up.

SPEAKER_02 19:29

Approximately capacity for a concert is 20,000 to 22,000 people.

SPEAKER_00 19:35

Okay, yeah. Wow. So it's like right, tens of thousands of people. And I feel like Noah Khan, I don't know anything about him except that he's like from Vermont, right? I felt like that was like the only thing besides his music that I knew about him until watching this. Yeah. So many people, because he truly is such a private person, right? Like, even his relationship is very private. So, like, all of those people were going there really for no other reason than they connect to his music. And his music is so like vulnerable and open and does like disclose a lot. So, like, people are going there because they're also they also have anxiety, they also have depression, they also have families that have trauma, they also have parents that split up. So, again, in my mind, I was like, nobody is coming here because they care at all what you look like. But then again, like the the contrast of like that was the first thing that he thought. It was so heartbreaking, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 20:33

I know because it that you just like he accomplished so much. And and that's why, like, I just wonder, were you thinking about any of that during the concert? Because if you weren't, what was, and this just also is you know, assuming he didn't think about his body once during the performance. This just shows you how you could really be present, and then a disordered mind just completely takes all of it away. Because if he wasn't thinking about it and he was living his life and he was performing and he was like, Oh my god, I meant MSG, sold-out show, like whatever. And then all of a sudden he was like, Okay, now I have to see if people liked it. I have to see if I performed well enough, I have to see what my body looked like. It's so I don't know the right word to use, but it's so baffling the instantaneous shift that the brain can have. And I and again, I don't think people realize it, right? It's like I again, I feel like he just really put out there so beautifully how you could be at the highest of the high, and then immediately the brain comes in to be like, okay, but we need to check this. But did you think that? Well, what about this? And like, it's not anything other than how your brain is wired and how like those insecurities and those fears are so prominent.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

Yeah. I know I'm a broken record with this, but like I just love Chrissy Harrison's thing about the life thief. Yes. And I feel like that was one of those moments where again, right, it's like you just performed at MSG, like the, you know, like the mecca for people of like where they want to perform. And then to come back and like immediately focus on your body is just like the life thief stealing that moment from you, right? Because now, you know, everybody leaving that concert is gonna be like, this was the best night ever, they had such a great time, all of that. Like he's leaving that, being like, I hated how I looked in those pictures. And now that's clouding the entire experience. And I feel like if we bring that to more of like a everyday or like more of a realistic kind of example for people too, it's like, you know, people who are, and we're gonna talk more about, you know, weddings next week, but it's just like you're a bridesmaid in a wedding, you know, and like you're focusing on on your body and not focusing on being present there for the person that you're supporting, or it's your wedding and you're focused on your body and you're not focused on being present. Like there's so many of those moments every day that we have where the life thief can come in and like try to steal those moments from you. Yeah, and it's why it's so important to, you know, be able to challenge that and have tools in your toolbox so it doesn't happen.

SPEAKER_02 23:21

No, I know. And it's you know, you brought up like this whole conversation, it also just shows how social media can be such a thief. And I know, like, we also have a podcast episode coming out about social media, and it it's one of those things where it's so great, right? Because you can see things. Like I have family that doesn't live close, right? So if I, I mean, I know I hide my son's face all the time because I'm one of those crazy parents, but like if I quickly like post something like you get to kind of see my son and like what he's up to these days, right? Or like you're able to like connect with like high school friends you haven't seen in forever, and like, oh, what are they up to? Like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So there are things that are enjoyable and nice and not toxic about it. And again, proof that it is so, it can be so mentally damaging to somebody, to because, right, and obviously no one can control this, but you post a picture, you think everyone looks great, and you don't know what someone who is in that picture is actually going to think about themselves. And it's and it can be very difficult to have that, and especially a celebrity, you're everywhere. Like, and you don't get to pick what fans are posting, what anything, and so it's you want like I just want him to see the impact and the power he has of people's hearts and see like all the good that he's doing and not worry about the physical for him.

SPEAKER_00 25:00

Yeah, and I felt like too, there was that moment towards the end where him and his dad were playing guitar together, and then his dad said something about like how proud he was of him, and then and then he very quickly was like, and I'm done talking about this, I don't want to talk anymore. But it was such a like it was such a cute moment, just in general, right? For him to be able to like hear his dad say that, especially given that they obviously have a complicated relationship. Yeah. But I also thought it was very interesting how it was like dad got vulnerable and then immediately like wanted to take it away, yeah. Where it's like literally like doing an hour and a half documentary, like truly opening up the door, you know, to everybody is like Noah is being so vulnerable here. And so I just thought like that was such a like an interesting moment too, of just like kind of emphasize for me of like, okay, you clearly grew up, you know, like having some of those experiences where like dad wasn't very vulnerable, or if he was, he was trying to take it away right away. And so just like to be able to, you know, break the generational like patterns that we see and like do something different, like that that was such a big takeaway for me too.

SPEAKER_02 26:09

Yeah. Cause again, you don't know what someone's going through, right? So like you might think that once again, he's this like, and he is like a well-rounded person, like from what I took from the documentary. Like, I don't want to say, like, he, you think he is and he's not, and you think he's this like superstar who like has everything, super happy all the time, who's like family is super supportive. And like his family even said, because I remember like at the end when they were watching the home videos with his mom and brother and her partner, and like on his computer, and he was like, you know, I never really asked you guys for permission if I could air out our dirty laundry. And his mom was like, You didn't have to, like, I don't think about that. Like, you normalized and humanized that everybody has dirty laundry, and that's why people connect to you. And I had a point. There is a point to this.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

That's okay. Well rounded.

SPEAKER_02 27:10

Yeah, that's funny. There goes the brain. I don't remember exactly where I was going, but I think he just oh, oh, oh, like you think he has all these things, and you think that there wasn't ever an issue, but there were so many issues. You know what I mean? And like you just judging a book by its cover, even like oppositely, right? Like you might see someone who's like home life you know was tragic, but maybe they're like the CEO of a company and they've done so well and they've like built themselves up, whatever have you, and or they've had everything, and then they didn't end up on a certain path that you anticipated them. You know what? Like you, I just again, like I just think another thing that you take away from this is that you don't know what someone's going through, you don't know what they've been through. So assuming is never going to be positive because you just don't know. Or like, would you look at them and be like, you have body image issues? Okay, you don't know, right? And that's what like one of the statistics we put out this week was it's I it's like 20 to 40 percent of men like feel insecure about their bodies. You don't hear that, and I and it breaks my heart, and I remember talking about this with Eric, like it just breaks my heart that people don't think guys go through those types of struggles, but 20 to 40 percent of men is a that's a lot of guys, and that's also who reported, which means that it's probably more like double that. Right, isn't that crazy? Like when you hear 20 to 40 percent of men like identify being dissatisfied with their bodies, and then you also think about that's just those who report. I think about that all the time with statistics, like you only get a certain amount of people that are like vulnerable and like have the courage to identify and like answer these questions. So, like, how big really is that number? Really big, yeah, crazy.

No Finish Line Just Daily Trying

SPEAKER_00 29:10

Yeah, but it's so I mean, it's so impactful to then see something like this, right? Because we're we obviously were impacted so much by it and connect so much to it, and now again, it's like you know, for a man who is going through their own dissatisfaction with their body, going through disordered eating, you know, body dysmorphia, and to have like an adult male, you know, who again, like you said, is like this prominent figure, be like, hey, I struggle with this, and like this is what it's really like, and he really pulled back the curtain, like that is just going to be so, so impactful for people too.

SPEAKER_02 29:48

I agree. Another quote that I I remember sending to you was that I loved. Ooh, excuse me. And I feel like this connects really well with like the perfectionist quote that I said in the beginning of this episode. He said, I think one thing I've learned that's really important to me throughout all of this is that there is no happy ending or like full circle moment, or like there isn't one event in your life that fixes everything. It's about waking up every day and trying. And then a little bit later, he said, I'm walking near and poking at the body dysmorphia with a stick, and it's a problem I'm ready to fix, and that's cool to be there, and I don't want to pass this on to my kids. And I just think like those three are so great because perfectionism is very real. And I and being able to say, I can see my problem, or I can see the piece of myself that I want to work through and I'm ready to be there, like people are always waiting for like motivation and not realizing that that feeling isn't always gonna be there. So recognizing that he even said, like, I just have to jump off the diving board and I just have to do it, that's what we always try to teach clients is that like you just have to take the first step. And it's not gonna be linear, it's not gonna be this like perfect thing. You just have to start trying. So for him then to say it's about showing up and waking up every day and trying, like, I just felt like all of those was just like the perfect pieces throughout the documentary to be like, okay, so I'm if I keep waiting for happiness, if I keep waiting for that one moment, you're gonna be waiting a really long time. Because one, because again, think about MSG, you had that moment and still it wasn't enough to allow you to just, you know, like he said, like just fix things or to have that full circle moment make everything better because it didn't. So even like again, to hear someone of his status be able to say, you have to wake up every day and just try, it's not a one moment fixes all. I just thought once again, like he had so many nuggets of brilliance and honesty that I just thought were that are just like great takeaways for people struggling.

SPEAKER_00 32:12

Yeah, yeah, as you were describing that. So Nick and I love this artist, Petey, and kind of like a similar vibe. He's like a really good lyricist and like very relatable. And he has this one lyric that we love, and it's if happiness was a choice, I'd choose it every second if I could. And we like always love, like both of us, like just love that line so much because we're like, it's just yeah, it's so true. Um, and it reminds me so much of that Noah Khan quote of just like, you know, like you can't wait for that moment.

SPEAKER_02 32:41

Because like there you don't know, like if you could be happy every day, everyone would. But sometimes it's not that easy to be happy. So, like, choosing to work towards it. It's like choosing uh do you want to stay here or do you want to go towards happiness? Do you want to stay in a in a space and in a life that doesn't serve you in the way that you're looking for? Yeah, right. Like chasing happiness isn't going to give you happiness because then you're always waiting for the next thing instead of allowing yourself to experience the little kernels of happy that you get throughout your life. So it is, it is I like that lyric. That was a good one.

SPEAKER_01 33:32

I'm glad we watched this. Oh my god, same.

SPEAKER_02 33:35

I'm gonna need you to pick something not so emotional so our listeners don't think I'm actually like diabolically crying all the time, which honestly, you put the TV on, I'm most likely gonna cry at something. So, like, it just is who I am by nature, but like I swear I'm stable.

SPEAKER_00 33:55

No, that's funny. I know when you sent me that message this morning, I was like, oh God, what did I do wrong? And then when you just said no, that it was just because of how uh you know how good it was and how emotional, I was like, okay, all right, I feel good about that because I also thought it was very good and emotional.

SPEAKER_01 34:11

It was, it was so good. But like the past few episodes, I think I've cried in like every single one. So our listeners are probably like, uh, pulse check. Yeah, I'm fine, I promise.

SPEAKER_00 34:21

I'm just hoping so. Don't worry.

SPEAKER_01 34:23

We're okay here, I promise. You're you're showing emotion, that's good. We always want people to show emotion. If you ever need someone to teach you how to do it, it's me. That's why I do what I do.

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SPEAKER_00 34:34

Exactly. Exactly. Oh well, we'd love to hear if you watched the Noah Khan documentary. Let us know what you thought. We would love to hear it. And if there's anything else out there that's along these same lines and you think it would be a good idea for an episode, please let us know.

SPEAKER_02 34:52

Yes, please do. And if you haven't watched it or didn't know it was a thing, go watch it. It's so well done, and it'll just make you love him and his music more. But thank you. Thank you so much, everyone, for tuning in, and we will catch you on the next one. Bye. Bye.