What If They’re Judging Me? Food Guilt, Body Image & Learning to Let Go

Nobody at the beach is thinking about your body as much as you are and that truth can be weirdly freeing. We sit down for a candid, story-driven chat about food guilt, body image, and the spike in body scrutiny that hits when the weather warms up and social feeds get flooded with “shoulds.” If you’ve ever felt anticipatory anxiety about a swimsuit, a gym workout, or a meal that didn’t fit the rules in your head, we’re talking directly to you.

We share a simple but powerful tool we use with clients: zoom in vs zoom out. When you zoom in, one snack, one photo, or one body part becomes the whole story. When you zoom out, you see the real picture: connection, joy, and a life that’s bigger than diet culture. We also unpack how being “associated with food” can trigger shame for some people and feel like pride and permission for others and why both reactions make sense.

Then we get practical: nutrition education as an antidote to fear-mongering. We explain why adequacy matters, how under-eating can make the brain more anxious, and why you can’t fully regulate mental health when your body is underfed and stuck in survival mode. We wrap with a question that matters: who gave society permission to comment on bodies, and what boundaries help us protect the next generation? Subscribe, share, and leave a review if this helped and tell us what topic you want us to tackle next.

Show notes:

Trigger warning: this show is not medical, nutrition, or mental health treatment and is not a replacement for meeting with a Registered Dietitian, Licensed Mental Health Provider, or any other medical provider. You can find resources for how to find a provider, as well as crisis resources, in the show notes. Listener discretion is advised.

Resource links:

Alliance for Eating Disorders: https://www.allianceforeatingdisorders.com/ 

ANAD: https://anad.org/

NEDA: https://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/

NAMI: https://nami.org/home

Action Alliance: https://theactionalliance.org/

NIH: https://www.nimh.nih.gov/

How to find a provider: 

https://map.nationaleatingdisorders.org/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us

https://www.healthprofs.com/us/nutritionists-dietitians?tr=Hdr_Brand

Suicide & crisis awareness hotline: call 988 (available 24/7)

Eating Disorder hotline: call or text 800-931-2237 (Phone line is available Monday-Thursday 11 am-9 pm ET and Friday 11 am-5 pm ET; text line is available Monday-Thursday 3-6 pm ET and Friday 1-5 pm ET)

If you are experiencing a psychiatric or medical emergency, please call 911 or go to your nearest emergency room.

Transcript

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Hello everyone, and welcome to this week's episode of the Nourish and Empowered Podcast. Today it is going to be an interview with just Maggie and I, just a nice little chit-chat. And we are going to be talking about food guilt and body image and body guilt. Trigger warning for today is that we are identifying the following triggers that will be discussed but are not limited to eating disorders, body image, and mental health. Listener discretion is advised. This show is not medical nutrition or mental health treatment and is not a replacement for meeting with a registered dietitian, licensed mental health provider, or any other medical provider. You can find resources for how to find a provider as well as crisis resources in the show notes.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Hey. Hello. How are we? We are. It's Monday. So we're good. It's a Monday Monday. It is a Monday Monday. But we are doing our best, you know?

Why This Season Triggers Body Talk

SPEAKER_02 1:45

Yeah. I feel yeah. Well, I'm glad we're talking about this because I feel like this topic has just been coming up a lot. And I feel like we're kind of in an icky time on social media again. And I wanted to address it.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

No, I love this. And I always love when you have a topic that you want to address because I love fiery, passionate Maggie's.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

Where I'm like, bring her to the surface.

SPEAKER_01 2:09

So I'm very excited to hear all your thoughts and feelings on things.

SPEAKER_02 2:13

Yeah. Well, I just feel like this time of year kind of lends itself to a lot, like not just the food guild piece, but I feel like a lot of the body image stuff as it's getting warmer and we're like heading into a change of season and change of clothes. And so I always think it's a good little refresher topic.

SPEAKER_01 2:36

Yeah. Because people, you know, the comments of, and sometimes obviously things could be of good intention, of like they're feeling good, they want to share their clothes, they want to share what they're doing. Like people are allowed to express the confidence that they are feeling. It's just the people that are like trying to be influencers and say why you should or you shouldn't, or you should dress, or you should be, or you should do, and you don't do. Like that's what we need to be very careful about and very mindful of. So I love that we're bringing this because you can be confident in any body with any food, with any experience that you want to have. So I'm very excited. What specifically did you feel like when this time of year came? Like, did you have an experience where you were just sitting around and you were like, oh my god, I witnessed, or I just had, or was it just like, okay, this time of year is here, we have to sit down and chat.

SPEAKER_02 3:31

I feel like it's just been coming up a lot with uh just like different conversations. I feel like there's been a lot of stuff on social media. And then I brought this topic up to you, but then had like two different moments that came

The Beach Day Nobody Notices You

SPEAKER_02 3:45

up yesterday, which I felt like related a lot. So yesterday was my birthday, and so I tourist season. Oh yeah, oh yeah. We love we love tourist season. Um, and so we went and did a beach day, and as I was like driving back from the beach, I was thinking about this a bit where obviously for a lot of our clients, like going to the beach and being in a bathing suit can feel super stressful and you know bring up a lot of like anticipatory anxiety and anxiety in the moment. And I had this experience where I was thinking back on the day, and I was like, I literally can't picture or remember a single thing about anybody sitting on the beach around us. And I was there for like seven hours, and I was thinking about like the the people on the beach that my husband and I like acknowledged to each other and what it was about, and not a single time did it have anything to do with their appearance. Like we caught this really cute moment where like this dad and a baby were like they like clearly the baby fell asleep on the dad, and the dad was also asleep, and they were just like, you know, kind of holding each other and just like sitting there under the umbrella. And Nick was like, Oh my god, look at how cute that is, you know, and like we looked at that, and then we saw this other moment where this guy must have been throwing the football to this kid like for two hours straight, right? Like this kid all he wanted to do was throw the football. And again, Nick was like, Oh my gosh, look at this guy, you know, throwing the football for two hours. So it was like, yes, we like acknowledged people around us, yeah, but not a single moment was about what anybody looked like. And then again, even like you spend multiple hours sitting next to all these people, and then we got in the car and I'm like, I couldn't even tell you what color anybody's bathing suit was because like it does not register. No, and like I had this thought where just so lovingly, nobody is that focused on what you look like, nobody was that focused on what I looked like, I was not that focused on what anybody else looked like, and I wish that people would be able to like really, really be able to take that in when there is all of this anticipatory anxiety going into it.

SPEAKER_01 5:57

100%. I agree. And I feel like this reminds me of an Instagram video I just saw the other day. And we love this influencer, and I can't remember his name. He was the one that one really uncomfortable video I sent you. He was the one that like reacted to it. Michael. I'm sorry, Michael, his name's Michael, Michael, like Apollo or something like that. Something like that. Yes, I love him. And he would just reacted to another video of a woman going, No one actually pays attention to you in the gym, and let me prove it to you. And she was doing like the most ridiculous things in the gym, and not one person watched her. And it is so true that like everyone is always like consumed with the anxiety of what are people saying and what are people thinking, and like what are people watching me? And you know, do I look okay? You know, what is you know, even whether you're at the beach or whether you're at the gym, you know, you're always angles and things like that. But like if you really sit down and think about it, no one's really paying attention to you. Exactly. And so it's like, how do you just let yourself just be? And just not even because if you think about it too, like how like you could have missed that moment with like sharing with Nick about like of like seeing those people or like that dad could have missed like such a sweet moment with his son just laying there together if he was so concerned over like what people were thinking about him and not being present with his kid because he was so consumed about everybody else.

SPEAKER_02 7:30

And that just doesn't seem fun. I know. I saw this post too, and we'll reshare it. But it was like this woman playing in the water with her kids. And did you see it? The brainwashing one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah. So if anybody didn't see it, we'll repost it. But it basically was like this woman playing in the water with her kids, and it was like a super fun, sweet moment at the beach, and it was like the amount of brainwashing that we've gone to where we don't see this, and it zoomed out to the whole image, and then it zoomed in to her chin, her arm, like whatever it was, different parts of her body. Yeah, and that really stuck with me too, because that's something when I talk to clients about not even just their relationship with their body, but their relationship with food, I always use this analogy of like zooming in and zooming out. Yeah. Right. That even when we're experiencing food guilt, we're so zoomed in on that very specific moment, that very specific food, meal, snack, holiday, whatever it was. Yeah, that if we zoom out and we see the bigger picture, our entire perspective of it

Zoom Out On Food Guilt

SPEAKER_02 8:40

changes. And same thing when it comes to people's, like when it comes to our, you know, the guilt that people experience around their body. It's like if we zoom out, we see an entirely different image than if we're so, so zoomed in.

SPEAKER_01 8:54

A hundred percent. And you have to look at things like you have to see the whole picture. But society definitely makes you look at specific things, right? And if you even think about like pictures, or if you even think about, you know, sunsets and things like that, you're looking at the complete, you're not zoning. I mean, maybe if you're like very into like art and stuff, you might be like, oh, look at the brushstroke over here, like blah, blah, blah. But like you're looking at the painting in its entirety. You're not pinpointing certain things of like what's wrong or what makes it the most beautiful. You're just like, look at this. Like, how amazing is this whole thing. And I just wish that we were able to look at entireties when it came to ourselves of just like, remember how much fun you had that day? Or like, do you remember how like you just you actually like liked your bathing suit? Or do you remember how delicious that meal was and just like allowing it to stay there? Exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:50

And I said I had two things, but now when I think about it, there's actually a third. So okay, so that was number one. Bring on, girl. Um yeah, number two is, and I already posted about this on our socials, but I had so many people in sending me happy birthday messages, be like, I hope you get a donut today. I hope you get ice cream, I hope you eat all the snacks, like, and and I love that, right? Because I love that I'm associated with that and to like be a voice of nourishment in this crazy time that we're in.

SPEAKER_01 10:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:21

And I also was thinking a lot about like how hard that could be for a client to or somebody struggling with their relationship with food to be like associated with food.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:32

And so if that is something that feels tough for people, like I always talk about this too. Like, I want people to feel confident when it comes to their relationship with food. And I just thought it was a really cool moment of like, yeah, like it's it can be fun and exciting, and there can be a confidence here of

When People Associate You With Food

SPEAKER_02 10:50

people associating me with these different foods. And I took that as such a positive thing, but like also want to resonate that people may, you know, may not take that as such a positive thing when people associate them with different foods, too.

SPEAKER_01 11:04

A hundred percent. And it is hard, right? Because I feel the same way, like when people are sitting there being and they associate me with French fries. That's the biggest compliment you could give me. I love me a Frenchie. But like when you're not comfortable with your relationship with food, sometimes you might think, why do they think that about me? Why are they associating me with that food? And like because your brain is warped and conditioned, brainwashed. How many words can I use? To believe that it's bad that you are associated with food. But like it's just like associated with like, I love my child who's just rolling around uh like a loony bin right now, or like I'm associated with horses or swimming or music, like all of or makeup, like those are also just things that people think about when they think of me. Food can be one of them, especially like for you being a baker, like it's something you're passionate about. So if someone is also connecting and associating you with those things, that also gives you pride and joy because it's like, okay, so you like people enjoy what I do, and it's a it's something to give, it's something that feels fills your soul. And that and so like food can just be so much more, and I wish people could see that and allow that. It just like give themselves permission to have it. And I had a sim, a very food-freeing experience where, like, obviously with me being dairy-free because Christopher is he has a milk allergy and I'm still feeding. I have to find things, unfortunately, without any dairy in them. And so my mom found a brand of popcorn that's like a kettle corn popcorn. And kettle corn popcorn is some of my absolute favorite types of popcorn. And I don't know if there's dairy in it to begin with. However, I literally saw the bag and I was like, oh Ma, what's this? She's like, I found so many dairy-free things, so you can be able to have like Caesar dressing and all these things because like I can't have a lot of my favorite foods. And so I literally looked at the bag and I go, Is this kettle corn popcorn? And when I tell you, I screamed, like I legitimately started jumping and immediately just started putting my hand in my bag and eating the popcorn because I felt excitement and joy and just like a thrill that there was something that I could have.

unknown 13:15

You're welcome.

SPEAKER_01 13:18

My mom screaming, you're welcome in the background. And like you can have like these things. And it just and it just and I was thinking about it as I was eating out of the bag. I was like, I wonder how difficult this would have been for clients. And like, also, shout out to Gretchen. Like, just even thinking about the environment. We're not gonna cry. I know, because when I start, she's gonna start, and then we're all screwed. So we're not gonna do that. But just the environment of healthy relationship with food that she created, that it wasn't as she cries, mom, come on now, we gotta keep it together. But like just like the environment of like what it's like to be raised in a house to where like food is just food and there aren't any moral rules or obligations, or like not obligations, that's not the word I'm looking for, but there aren't any like like type of relationships to it or expectations that you could just see a bag of popcorn, kettle corn popcorn, and just start eating it because you got excited. Like, that's cool.

SPEAKER_00 14:23

Do we get Gretchen on the podcast for an episode?

SPEAKER_01 14:27

Honestly, Gretchen putting you on the spot, putting you on the spot. You want to come today? You want to come another day? We'll talk about it. Okay, we can't come today, but we're gonna do it another day. Because actually, fun fact about my mother, she is was a registered dietitian. And I believe worked at an eating disorder facility.

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I created the protocol.

SPEAKER_01 14:53

She created the protocol at an eating

Nutrition Education That Calms Fear

SPEAKER_01 14:55

disorder facility. Yeah, uh no, so we have to do that. That is very yeah, so we're all laugh. So we will have to get Gretchen on there. On here. But she's currently watching my child for me, so we can't exactly get her on right now. But one day we will.

SPEAKER_02 15:16

Yeah, no, that's I'm so glad you shared that. That's such a good, that's such a good experience. And also, too, I mean, I feel like as you were saying it, it kind of related to something I was thinking about too. And maybe this is related to everything you were sharing with your mom being a dietitian, but I feel like so much food guilt stems from a lack of education. And like that's to no fault of anybody's, right? Like that's it's just like we we don't educate people well around food and nutrition. It's so much fear-mongering, it's a lot of misinformation out there. And I think so often when you know people ask about like, how do I have a healthy relationship with food and like how do I challenge the food guilts? I think the science piece and the education is so helpful because it helps you not be afraid of food when you actually have an understanding about it. And like that's a huge reason why I don't feel afraid of food because I know so much about it. Yeah, and I think knowing so much about the science and the nutrients, like totally is a game changer. Big time. And for anybody who's working with a dietitian, like they're not talking to you about the science, like, ask about it because I think that's such a big piece. And if you're not working with the dietitian and you want to, like going through the basics of nutrition education, even if you think that you know it, there's so much more to it. Oh, and I think it's so, so eye-opening to challenge the food guilt.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

Oh, a hundred percent. And that and sometimes we have to allow ourselves to like sit with the science. And I also wonder sometimes for clients if that's why they don't like to hear it, because it is so black and white to a point. And like sometimes having education that stumps our anxiety that trumps our anxiety and like proves the anxiety wrong is very uncomfortable, right? So, and like it is easier in my air quotes to live in your place of anxiety than to live in a place of healing sometimes because you just don't know it. And especially when society is telling you, don't do this, don't do that, and like essentially is instilling your anxiety. Hearing the signs can be like, well, what's right and what's wrong? Because going against the grain when it comes to the world of diet culture is bad, but being against the grain of being an individual anywhere else is good. So it does like it makes you feel like what almost very like it's easier to be stagnant. Which stuck sucks, yeah, when you think about it.

SPEAKER_02 17:44

Yeah, yeah. Well, even as you were talking, it was reminding me of something we talked about with Bray, the therapist we had on a couple episodes ago, of even like separating your identity from the eating disorder, too, and how like yeah, maybe stuck being stuck in the anxiety or or staying in the eating disorder, in a sense, feels safer, but like also what are you missing out on by staying there? And even though you know there might be scary elements that come with healing your relationship with food, such as a body change, right? That could that could be a really scary element that comes with healing your relationship with food. But what are all of the other things that you're gaining in that process? Like, is it more time? Is it more mental energy? Is it more space? Is it going to the beach and you know, having a beach day where you don't feel so focused on your body? Like there's so many of these things that can make it so worth it.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

100%. And that's what people don't when you're used to the clouded brain, you don't recognize how much space is actually taken up by it. But like you could be so much more present and your life could be so much more fulfilling if you allowed yourself to just get out of there. And that's one of my and that's one of my favorite things is when clients are like, I don't know how I got like when clients get to a certain point in their recovery, they will literally say to me, I don't know how I functioned. Because the amount of mental clarity and the amount of mental space they then regain because they're not constantly thinking about food in their body, they're like, How, how did I go through every day to day? And it's like, well, you're in a fight or flight mode. You're so anxious and you're so fearful that you don't know what to do, but to have your nervous system shot, to not have any trust, and to just constantly be in like a trauma response. But when you're able to heal, I love when you smirk at me. I get so excited about what's happening in your brain. I'm like, but like when you think about it, like it just makes everything

Hunger, Anxiety, And Survival Mode

SPEAKER_01 19:46

like it, it is like I get why people stay stuck, but it's also like it's so fulfilling when you're able to just like you know those videos where people are when like a husband and wife are like going through the airport, and it's like what my husband's thought brain is doing when we're walking through the airport, and like what my brain is doing, and he's like, here's all the things like around us, like I'm being so observant, and then she's walking through like that's you when you're struggling with an eating disorder, and then when you have mental clarity and you're in recovery, like you're constantly thinking, you're constantly moving, and you're not present, but then once you're recovered, it's just bliss. I and bliss might sound dramatic to some people, but like, because obviously there are things that you have to think about, but it's not as chaotic.

SPEAKER_02 20:37

Great. Yeah, I was smirking because I don't know if you saw what I just reposted, but it this is like a funny telepathy moment because we did not talk about this. But I reposted something on our Instagram story that said, a body that is hungry is a brain that is anxious and a nervous system that is stuck in survival survival mode. We cannot regulate a nervous system that is underfed, we cannot calm a brain that is searching for carbohydrates, we cannot relax a body when it is trying to cope with unstable blood glucose, we cannot digest food properly when the body does not feel safe.

SPEAKER_01 21:13

I love when we have these moments of just being so in sync. It just makes my heart so happy. And yeah, hello, and this is why I always say the brain, like the emotional, the therapy, and the dietary, they are one, and like that science proves it. Right? You cannot be mentally healthy and supported and grounded if you nutritionally are not supported and grounded.

SPEAKER_02 21:48

Yeah, yeah, you need that foundation, right? I I know you always hear me talk about this, but I always talk about like, right, the foundation of nutrition is adequacy. And if we don't have adequacy, like, you know, how can we have anything else? How can we have Consistency, how can we have variety? How can we have mood stabilization? All this stuff if we don't have that adequacy

A Book That Reframes Body Image

SPEAKER_02 22:05

piece. Exactly. 100%. Yeah. So my third thing is so what I wanted to do yesterday for my birthday, which you will love this, I wanted to go to the beach and I wanted to read a whole book. And so that's what I did. And yeah, it was great. And I have been like just really into this one author right now. And so I'm just reading everything that she's written. Who? Katherine Center.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

I don't know if I've heard of her, but I'll look her up.

SPEAKER_02 22:35

So far, everybody I've talked to has not heard of her, but she's excellent, so highly recommend. And so the book that I was reading of hers yesterday, like picked it up. It was called The Love Haters. It was like, in my mind, I was like, this is gonna be a you know, like a little rom-kami beat read. Yeah. And there was actually a huge part of the book, like one of the biggest themes was about the main character's relationship with her body and how she went through like a disordered eating period after. I don't want to like ruin the book, but basically that there was an article written about her online because she was associated with a celebrity, and the comments about her body and her outfit were brutal. And so she went through a really restrictive period after that as a result, and had developed a really unhealthy relationship with her body, and like all throughout this the book, which like again wasn't centered around this as the theme, but this was like a theme that came up throughout. She has like a really great relationship with her cousin and like confides in her cousin a lot. And something that her cousin like made her do was every time that they would talk, she would have her like pick one part of her body that she could say something like neutral or positive about. And at first it was like really, she'd be like, my earlobes or my fingernails or stuff like that. And she was like really, really struggling with it. Yeah. And then like something happens in the book, which is what I don't want to give away. But basically, where she has this like realization moment of like how she has to stop fighting herself and how like her body is not the enemy and like her body is her home. And then in the what's it called when they write after the afterword? I was gonna, I was gonna say the foreword, but in the afterword, the author like wrote a bit about it. And there's a couple of things that she wrote that I I want to like read and put on our social media because I think it was really, really great. It was such a good message. But it was also just like one of those moments where it was like, I picked up this book not thinking it was gonna be related to work at all. And it was, and even though it was, it was so, so good. And I felt like it was such a cool reminder, like sitting on the beach again with like you know, all these people around you, like thinking about how many people like struggle with their relationship with their body, and then to be like kind of reading this healing journey of somebody like going through all the different like ups and downs of their relationship with their body. So that was my third thing that I was thinking of with this episode, too.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

Oh, I love that. Now I want to read the book.

SPEAKER_02 25:11

So I'm definitely so good.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

I know. I have to, I really have to text me her name because I really want to look up her stuff, but

Who Gave Permission To Judge Bodies

SPEAKER_01 25:22

it just like, and that story even reminded me of the bridal boutique post that we saw. And it's just like, I don't I just want to know at what point in time like we learned that other people's bodies were our our business to the point where we could be so cool. Like, when were we given that permission? And the reason I say it that way is because it's allowed. Like people just do it without second thought, and they're just nasty. So I just like when and why does society think it was okay for other people to have permission to speak about other people's bodies the way that they do?

SPEAKER_02 26:10

I mean, I even have memories of being in the grocery store as a kid, and I mean the magazines and stuff are still out now, but remember like all the the pooper magazines or you know, whatever, like the tabloidy magazines, and it was like the the one celebrity next to the other celebrity where they're both wearing basically the same outfit or like a very similar outfit. And remember all the polls of like 53% of people like think this person looks better than that. I mean, that was 20 years ago. I feel like I was seeing that.

SPEAKER_01 26:43

Oh, so or you see, like, you know, this person looked like this however many years ago, and now they look like this on vacation. Like, what happened to them? And it's like leave them alone. But yes, I remember that from when we were kids too.

SPEAKER_02 26:59

Yeah, and even I was I'm I'm big into this Hillary Duff resurgence. I mean, I always loved Hillary Duff, but she's she's obviously having her resurgence moment to me. She's always been an icon, but she was interviewed in a podcast recently and she was sharing about like a postpartum experience. I think this was with her first son, and how there was like a paparazzi photo that came out that was like Hillary debuts like post-baby body. And it was a picture of her that was taken like without her consent. And she was talking about it in the interview, and she was like, I didn't debut anything, I didn't even know that these people were here taking this picture of my body. And then that's what like the narrative resurfaced online was that like I am out here debuting this body that she was like, I was like in the trenches of being a new mom, like so focused on my son. I'd given nobody consent to have this picture be taken and posted. Correct. And then it like shapes this whole narrative around me that I didn't even create. Correct.

SPEAKER_00 28:03

Yeah, that's wild.

SPEAKER_01 28:05

I also love Hilary Duff. I love the everything that she's doing. Oh, I wonder too, of like, because I know she even said of, and I mean like talking about her and everything that she shared publicly, so like in her resurgence, like I think is also just such a great topic because she's someone who's been through all of the stages and all of the experiences of what society has done in the limelight. Which I can't also can't imagine, you know, being like following everything, quote unquote, to a T. And let's think about this, right? Following everything to a T and still having stuff said to you that you're you're bad or you're not doing it well enough, or all these things. So it's like even when you try, people are still gonna say things. So instead of trying to fit, just be yourself, you know? Because if you're gonna like, wouldn't you rather be happy? I don't know, hot take, maybe, I don't know. Unfortunately, it is a hot take. Right? Sad. So sad. And that's why, like, I just don't like why is that part of life? Like, if we can remember this from 20 years ago, like, why has this always just been like okay? I don't know. It's a question that will always stick with me.

SPEAKER_02 29:42

I don't like it. Yeah, and it also brings up the point too of like this has been around for so long. There's been these unachievable beauty standards for so long, and it's tiring. And what would it be like to just be free of it?

SPEAKER_01 30:05

Like, there are other conversations we could have. There are plenty of things that we could focus on. Like, do we think we're just bored? Like, are we not are do we feel like as people we're just not that entertaining that we have to go down this rabbit hole? I could find something more entertaining. I'll do something more entertaining. What do you want to say? Like, I don't, I don't, like, I just I I think that's just what gets me. Like, we're very interesting as a society that, like, why do we diminish all of it to this? And like hyperfixate on it.

SPEAKER_02 30:48

Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. Well, we're gonna keep fighting the good fight.

SPEAKER_01 30:52

I'm on it. I'm on it. Listen, my kids will never, will never. It's a conversation I've had with all of my family since I was you won't no one will catch anyone saying anything about anything to my children. Because respectfully, you want to see them, you will respect my boundary.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

Yeah, exactly. Absolutely not. Cheers to them.

SPEAKER_02 31:25

Yeah, so that I feel like that that was my thoughts. Those were those were my thoughts.

SPEAKER_00 31:31

I liked it. I like your thoughts.

SPEAKER_02 31:34

Thank you. I very yeah, I felt like I had such a different vision of what

Boundaries, Takeaways, And What’s Next

SPEAKER_02 31:40

this episode would be like, and then so much happened yesterday that I feel like was like pivot and same topic, but different, different approach. Evolution. Yeah, little anecdotal, which we love. I know. Yeah, I like that. So we will do more episodes on this topic because I think food guilt relationship with one's body, I mean, there's so much here, and obviously, again, like we said earlier, like we are heading into a warmer weather time of year, which can be challenging for people. So if you have questions, if you have thoughts, if you have specifics you want us to cover, just reach out and let us know.

SPEAKER_01 32:24

Yes, keep us posted, but we will continue to fight the good fight and talk about how much we love food because that's my favorite topic, that's for sure. And now, speaking of my love of fries, I'm about to go have chicken sandwich and fries.

SPEAKER_02 32:37

And I am gonna have some leftover fajitas that I had for my birthday dinner last night, which was so good.

SPEAKER_01 32:44

Oh my god, I love I love we had burritos last night. Oh, you were you were thinking of me. Well, yes, we were because your birthday twin, my husband, also wanted food, like burritos and things like that. So he chose, and that's what we had. So you two even are connected. Wow, we're all connected.

SPEAKER_00 33:06

Yeah, he's got good taste. He did. I'd like to think so, you know. I'd like to think so. Amazing.

SPEAKER_01 33:15

Well, thank you everybody for tuning in to this one. We'll get Gretchen on the next one. And we will see you soon. Thanks, guys. Bye. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of Nourish and Empower Podcast.

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