Running a Nature Charity with Camilla Burrow

In this episode of the Nature Recovery Podcast, Vittorio Anah speaks with Camilla Burrow, the Chief Executive of the local environmental charity Wild Oxfordshire. Camilla explains the work Wild Oxfordshire has done and is planning do.

Wild Oxfordshire are supporting The Nature Festival which happens in Oxford 21-27 June 2026.
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They explore:

• Camilla’s experience running Wild Oxfordshire
• What the charity is involved with currently
• How Wild Oxfordshire chooses its projects 
• How success is measured for an environmental charity 
• The current state of Oxfordshire’s environmental organisation landscape 
• The biggest challenges facing Wild Oxfordshire and organisations like it
• The importance of coordination and collaboration between environmental charities in Oxfordshire
• The long term vision for Wild Oxfordshire

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Transcript

Vittorio Anah: Welcome to the Nature Recovery Podcast, where we take a closer look at the people and ideas working to counter biodiversity decline.

Hello and welcome to this episode of the Nature Recovery Podcast. Today I am joined by Camilla Burrow.

Camilla Burrow: Hi, I am Camilla Burrow, the Chief Executive of Wild Oxfordshire. Wild Oxfordshire is a local charity, and we are all about bringing people together and enabling them to take action for nature. We are seeking to create a more natural, resilient, and biodiverse Oxfordshire for the benefit of everyone.

Vittorio Anah: That sounds really interesting. In terms of your personal career path, what did you do before you landed yourself in this role?

Camilla Burrow: I first became interested in ecology when I was a child, pond dipping and going on holidays at my grandparents’ houses in the Lake District and by the sea near Brighton.

Then I went to university and did a biology degree. In the end, I chose quite a lot of ecology modules because they seemed most interesting, and the lecturers seemed the most interesting too. It also felt like there was quite a lot that we still did not understand.

Then I took a year out and spent six months in Malawi doing some fieldwork, and then I came back to Oxford and did an MSc in Environmental Management.

After I finished my MSc, I got my first job at Oxfordshire County Council as the ecologist planner, which was brilliant because I was working with Craig Blickwell, the county ecologist, and he was there for another two years before he retired. I learned so much from him during those two years, in fact much more than I had learnt on my degree or my masters.

He really helped me with species identification of all the plants, how to create habitats, especially after minerals have been extracted, and also how to talk to people and persuade them to take account of nature. He was really good at encouraging people to do that.

After about four years, I had had enough of planning and development, so I moved across to running the Thames Valley Environmental Record Centre, which I did for about 10 years. TVERC is all about collecting data across Oxfordshire and Berkshire, putting it in a database, analysing it, and then sharing it with anyone who needs to know where the most important species and sites for nature are in Oxfordshire and Berkshire.

That was really great for about 10 years, but I really wanted to work in the charity or social enterprise sector, and I had known about Wild Oxfordshire for all of my career. I could see that there was real potential there, so I moved across to run Wild Oxfordshire in 2020.

At the time, the charity had just three part-time members of staff, and of course 2020 was COVID, which was a very stressful time. I was homeschooling primary school-aged children and remote-managing a team of people, so that was not great.

But there were some really great opportunities that came out of COVID. Suddenly everyone understood the value of nature and really enjoyed all of the walks they were going on locally, because they were forced to, of course, as there was nothing else for them to do. The other thing was that I think people realised the power of community, and how if people get together and help each other at a local level, they can actually achieve really great things. So you do not always have to wait for government to intervene.

Vittorio Anah: So in your undergraduate studies in biology, and from there into your job with the local council, did you always know that you were going to go down a route of environmental charities and environmental organisations, or was it a happy coincidence that you ended up enjoying these types of jobs?

Camilla Burrow: I think I have always wanted to feel like the time that I am spending at work is aligning with my personal values and is helping people in some way. Working for local government was definitely one way to do that, and there were some brilliant people who do still work in local government, and a lot of them are there to help other people really.

So I knew that I would either want to be working for government or charitable or community enterprise. I liked the opportunity of working for a small charity because I felt like I would have more freedom, but it also could make a really big impact with my time.

Vittorio Anah: That is interesting. I have always wondered that, you know, Wild Oxfordshire, when you joined, was a very small local organisation. So when you applied for that job and when you were going for it, what type of process was it? You are now the chief executive, which is the highest level of the organisation, so how do they select for their leader, essentially?

Camilla Burrow: Yes, that is a great question. Originally the job title was director, and I think it has changed to chief exec. But I took a pay cut to take that job as well, because I felt really passionately that there was potential to expand what the organisation was doing, and to clarify its place in the conservation sector.

I was hopeful even before COVID that more people were beginning to understand the importance of nature, and that we could mainstream nature conservation and reach lots more people if only they understood the importance of nature and what they could do about it. That is the key thing, because people really need to know why nature is important, and to be in contact with it so that they value it. But the next step, which is really important, is: what can they actually do about it? That is where Wild Oxfordshire comes in.

I am not sure how that went about, though. I did not really answer your question.

Vittorio Anah: That is fine. In terms of the organisation being three people, someone within those three people chose you to be the leader?

Camilla Burrow: Well, no. The board of trustees, which it still has, had between nine and twelve people. I think what had happened was that the three part-time members of staff said that they needed more help, and the trustees decided that help should be a director or chief exec. So they put together a job description, which was very long and complicated, and went out to adverts.

Vittorio Anah: Okay, yes, that makes a lot more sense.

Zooming in on your organisation, Wild Oxfordshire, and the day-to-day running of the charity, what sort of things do you do?

Camilla Burrow: When you are chief exec, particularly of a small charity or a small business, you sort of do a little bit of everything, which I do quite enjoy. I manage the people in my team. We have now got almost 15 members of staff, so I do not line manage all of them, but it is about looking after them, making sure they are okay, and supporting them to be the best they can at their jobs.

There is putting in place all of the policies and procedures for running an organisation and making sure it complies with Charity Commission regulations. So that is accounting and finance, HR policies, GDPR, and things like that.

So you are also sort of finance director. Then you are also head of comms as well, making sure that the messaging that we send out, whether that is in-person events, social media, monthly emails, or printed newsletters, is giving a cohesive, clear message.

Then also head of fundraising, making sure that we can actually raise enough money to carry on doing the work we are doing, to support more people to create space for nature. I have got a brilliant team who do a lot of their own fundraising, so it is really just keeping a good overview of that and supporting them.

And then I also lead on strategic plans and partnerships, going out and working with people. I am Vice Chair of the Local Nature Partnership Board, and I chair quite a few working groups, so that kind of work as well.

I became an ecologist because I like being outside, but of course I spend most of my time at my desk.

Vittorio Anah: That is funny. Do you guys operate in terms of, we have a project and this is our current project, this is what we are doing, and after that project there is going to be a next project? Or is there a more consistent thing that you do, if that makes sense? Or is it project-based, like this project and that project and that project?

Camilla Burrow: If we just jumped from one project to another, to another project, we might not end up in the place we wanted to be. So we have an overarching strategic vision of what we want to achieve, and also a theory of change for how we can get there.

The way I describe it is that we work at three scales across Oxfordshire. At county scale, we host and work with the Local Nature Partnership and lots of other networking and support groups for people working in conservation. We have also helped produce the Local Nature Recovery Strategy for Oxfordshire, which sets out what we need to do, and where, to create space for nature.

At landscape scale, we host a couple of farmer clusters, where groups of farmers get together and work together on different projects. We also host the Evenlode Catchment Partnership, which is based around the River Evenlode, and brings together a whole load of people who are seeking to ensure that the Evenlode is in good ecological status, with clean water. We also have the conservation target areas, which are the key areas for conservation action in Oxfordshire, and we support the people who work in those.

Then, at the hyper-local level, we work with community groups and parish and town councils, and other people, on helping them create more space for nature in their local area: in people’s gardens, parks, village greens, playing fields, anywhere like that. There is always space to put a bit of nature.

So we make sure that whoever we are working with, we are somewhat led by them in terms of what the need for the project is. We have a very good idea of what is going on with nature recovery across Oxfordshire, so we can bring the right people together at the right scale, and then support them and work with them to work out exactly what the problem is, or what they want to achieve. Then we can help them achieve that.

Sometimes we have identified a need for a project, but most usually it is done in a co-design way with the people we are working with. And we make sure that whenever we are doing a project, first of all, it does increase biodiversity, so it creates space for nature in some way.

Secondly, that we have passed our knowledge on to the people we are working with, so we always work with people, we do not just parachute in, do a project, and then leave. We pass our knowledge on to them as we are working with them.

And then the third thing is that we use those projects to tell stories and inspire other people to opt for nature as well, so that there is a ripple effect. Even with my expanded team of 15 people, we still cannot actually achieve nature recovery in Oxfordshire on our own at all. So it is all about working with other people and passing our knowledge on to them.

Vittorio Anah: That is interesting. So when it comes to conservation areas, who decides and prioritises which conservation areas need more conservation than others? Is it an external organisation that surveys the natural environment and then publishes data, and you guys go off that? Or do you have your own internal analysis of which areas need the most conservation, which projects need doing, and so on?

Camilla Burrow: That is a really good question, because there is not enough funding to do all of the work that we need to do for nature. There also probably is not enough people-hours or time, so unfortunately we do need to prioritise.

That prioritisation is done in a couple of different ways. First of all, Oxfordshire’s Local Nature Recovery Strategy has just been published, and that sets out spatially, on the ground, where the best places in Oxfordshire are for creating certain types of habitats or doing work for certain species. It is a brilliant strategy and tool that everyone can use, and it was published in November, so people are just starting to use it now, which is brilliant.

The other thing is that the conservation target areas were actually decided by a group of professional and volunteer ecologists, based on their knowledge of the landscape and ecology of Oxfordshire, combining professional knowledge and experience with data from the Thames Valley Environmental Record Centre.

And then the third way, which is really important, is that we work with the willing. You can have written on a map exactly where you want to do something and where it would be best for nature, but if that landowner and land manager is not on board, it is not going to happen. So it is really about building relationships with landowners and land managers of all types, whether that is someone with a garden, a farmer, a business, a big estate owner, the university, the colleges, whoever it is. Anyone who owns land or manages it has the power and the opportunity to create space for nature. So we also need to go where the enthusiasm is.

Vittorio Anah: Okay, yes, that makes sense. When it comes to a specific project, you say that one of your main goals is to increase biodiversity, which is obviously very good and very understandable. But how do you measure how much biodiversity is enough biodiversity? When does it get to a point where it is like, okay, we have done our job, on to the next bit of conservation? Or is it a constant ongoing thing? Or is that actually just a cut-off of, like, three weeks of work and then leave it?

Camilla Burrow: That is a good question. From a big scale, the UK is one of the most nature-depleted countries in the world. So our starting point, our baseline, is that we have hardly any nature.

There are various big targets that have been set, like we need 30 per cent of land in England to be well managed for nature by 2030, for example. So you could say, if we could have 30 per cent of Oxfordshire covered in biodiverse land, then I could retire and just do pottery.

We are a very long way away from that, because there are even some areas of Oxfordshire which might have a legal designation protecting them, might be a Site of Special Scientific Interest or have a planning policy designation like a Local Wildlife Site. But, as I mentioned before, it all comes down to whether the landowner and land manager has not only the enthusiasm for managing the space for nature, but also the support. So they need funding, they need someone to help them write the management plans, they need someone to implement them.

And quite often these spaces have a primary use for something else. So it could be a football field, it could be a field for growing food, it could be someone’s garden that they want to relax in. There are not very many spaces that are just for nature, and that is okay. We just have to ensure that we take into account the primary use of the land and then see how we can also get some nature in there as well.

Vittorio Anah: So for a football field, let us say you are going there to do some work in conservation, working with the people that own it, etc. Prior to going there, do you guys set a target of “this is what we want out of it and when it is done, we are done”? Or is it more fluid, that you go with the flow to see what is needed, how much can feasibly be done, and then it is on a more flexible basis in terms of your targets?

Camilla Burrow: We find that a more flexible basis works better, because if you actually go up to a landowner or land manager of any type and say, “Oh hi, I have got these really great plans, here is what you are going to do on your land,” they are not usually that much on board with it.

What we find works better is we will go and have a look at the space with the land manager or landowner and talk to them about how they use it at the moment, what their interests are, and what they might like to do. We bring with that our ecological knowledge and our landscape architecture knowledge about what could be on the site, what records of species and habitats are nearby, and we look at the geology so we know what types of habitats it would be suitable to put there.

So we do bring our knowledge to the conversation for sure, but it is definitely a co-design approach. For a lot of our bigger projects, we will do baseline ecological surveys to see what is there at the beginning and then what is there after we have done the interventions.

What we also like to do with surveying and monitoring is get people involved. So we run training courses with TVERC on surveying and monitoring so that we can get the farmers or the community groups involved in the monitoring as well, because that is another way to really connect people with nature.

And then the other thing we do is we are also doing a lot more qualitative data collection, talking to people before and afterwards about how they felt, because connection with nature makes you happier and healthier. There is lots of research on that. We would like to demonstrate exactly what, hopefully, positive impact our activities have had on people.

Vittorio Anah: What type of, obviously I know it is variable, but on average, does it take you guys three months to go from start to finish on a certain project, or does it take a year? Given that nature is nature, you would expect biodiversity to come back over time. It may be five years before you see the full effects of something. So what type of timescales do you look at as a charity?

Camilla Burrow: You are exactly right. These things take quite a long time.

It depends on the scale of work that we are doing, but if you started right from the beginning, when you are having an initial conversation with someone, or quite often with a group of people, so you are bringing a group of people together and starting to talk together about what you want to achieve, especially when you are working at the landscape scale, but it is the same at the parish scale as well, it can actually take two years just to get people to be all on board and working with each other.

Then you need to actually create the plan of what you are going to do: how are you going to dig this pond, or create this wetland, or plant an orchard, or make a planter with pollinator-friendly plants in it, or plant a hedgerow.

Then usually you need to get funding. Quite often it is easy to get funding to actually create the space for nature, but it is much more difficult to get the funding for all of the work leading up to that point. Then the funders have to decide whether you have got the money or not. Some funders decide really quickly, and others can take nine months or longer.

Then you actually start the work, creating the space for nature or managing it better for nature. And then you will start to see the results eventually. But nature works in seasons, so you also have to do the work at the right time of year, which can result in a bit of a delay.

So, yes, I think probably five years would be the absolute minimum. But I hope Wild Oxfordshire has been around for 30 years, so I hope we will be around for another 30 at least, more. We are always looking at things in quite a long-term way, and because all of the work is on other people’s land, it is really important for them to take ownership of what we are doing.

What we do is go in and help them as and when they need us, and then we move away when they do not need us anymore. They might then come back in three years’ time and say, actually, we need a bit more help, or we need to do the next stage, and then we will come back. So we try to always be there for when they need us. But these things do take a long time.

Vittorio Anah: That is interesting. Five years. It is longer than I expected, to be honest.

Camilla Burrow: I mean, it depends. If you dig a pond, then as soon as you dig it, if you dig it at the right time of year, you will find some insects will arrive. But to get a really biodiverse pond, that will take a couple of years. So it depends on the habitat as well. Some habitats, and of course trees grow quite slowly.

Vittorio Anah: You have only been at Wild Oxfordshire for five-ish years, five, six years. So in that time, what are some success stories, some positive, optimistic stories of biodiversity, regeneration, and nature recovery?

Camilla Burrow: There are so many. I am not sure I could do them all justice.

I think there have been countless examples of community groups and parish and town councils who have created brilliant bits of nature in their local area. And those are all really powered by volunteers, the parish councillors and town councillors and the volunteers from the nature groups. They are all just doing it in their spare time.

The Evenlode Catchment Partnership has also achieved amazing things. They have created natural flood management features which have stopped villages getting flooded, where they were getting flooded before. They have some international examples too. They have people coming from all over the world to come and have a look at what they have done, which is brilliant.

We are now hosting a couple of farmer clusters as well, so they are just getting started, but we have already created some dew ponds, which are great. And our Curlew Recovery Partnership, again working with lots of volunteers and farmers, has achieved brilliant things and saved lots of curlew chicks.

We had a recent crowdfunder campaign that raised twice as much money as we were hoping for, which is brilliant. And that is all thanks to the people who have supported us.

With the Local Nature Recovery Strategy, so many people in Oxfordshire put in so much time and effort over the last two years. That has been wonderful. We actually had about 3,000 people who commented or came along to workshops on that, compared to other counties where it has been around 40 people at most. So I think that is a real success, involving more people in that.

And the Local Nature Partnership as well is doing great things.

Vittorio Anah: Moving on from the positives, what would you say are some of the biggest challenges doing this sort of work in terms of getting the results you want, and maybe if it drags on a bit too long, what do you do then? What are some of the biggest challenges when you are working on nature recovery?

Camilla Burrow: One of the issues in Oxfordshire is that there is a really big focus on technological solutions to climate change, which are brilliant and very exciting, and I understand why they attract a lot of investment and effort.

But in addition to technological solutions, there are also nature-based solutions which are cheaper, really effective, and have lots of other benefits as well. With the work that we and other charities and landowners are doing around natural flood management, creating scrapes and bunds and wetlands, re-wiggling rivers to stop villages and houses being flooded, that is amazing. And the cost of that is so much less than some of the harder engineering or technological solutions.

Also, natural habitats and biodiverse habitats absorb and contain so much carbon. Wildflower meadows, so it is not just trees, but wildflower meadows, ponds and wetlands, hedgerows and orchards and any kind of native plants, scrub, they absorb and contain so much carbon, and all we need to do is plant them or scrape them out of the ground and they will do a brilliant job.

So I think it would be wonderful if we could spend more time and attention on nature-based solutions to climate change.

At a smaller scale, there are always issues with projects, and problem-solving is a kind of daily occurrence for the project delivery people at Wild Oxfordshire. The weather has a big impact. One year, some of the curlew chicks’ nests got flooded, so they did not survive. If it is too wet, you cannot get diggers on the ground to dig out the ponds and scrapes and wetlands.

Also, when the tarmac melted, do you remember? Then no one could come to any networking events in person because the roads were melting. All of these things are solvable by moving things to different days and so on, but they are ongoing challenges.

And then, as I said before, the goodwill and enthusiasm of landowners and land managers is so essential. So if that occasionally waivers, then that can be a problem as well. But we are always working hard to keep people on board and explain what we are doing and why, and make sure they feel like they are a part of it.

Funding is another issue. First of all, there is not enough. Secondly, everyone underestimates the preparation time and effort needed to get these projects off the ground. No one really wants to pay for it because it is boring and you cannot see an immediate result. So it is really difficult to get funding for all of that work.

So we will always work in a collaborative and co-design approach, but it is very difficult for that to be funded.

Vittorio Anah: That all makes sense.

In terms of the wider Oxfordshire environmental charity sector, there are lots of different charities and different organisations all doing great stuff. Do you guys ever work with other charities on joint projects or joint endeavours? Because to me it can sometimes, not being in that world, look like you are all doing the same thing under different banners. Is that accurate?

Camilla Burrow: Maybe partly. I think Oxfordshire is a very particularly busy place for charities and also for volunteer groups, which is great. Lots of people really care about nature and know that it is important and want to help, so there are loads of good things about that.

But I actually think that if we want to achieve nature recovery, we need to involve even more people. The other side of that is how do we ensure we are all working together, communicating with each other, supporting each other, and not duplicating each other’s efforts or competing with each other?

Wild Oxfordshire does a lot of work in this space, and always has done for the 30 years that we have existed. We do that in a number of different ways. Essentially, it is about talking to each other, but people need support to do that because everyone is really busy and focused on what they are doing, which is understandable.

So we bring together all sorts of different groups of people so that they can network and talk to each other and support each other and work together. The top group is the Local Nature Partnership, which is hosted by South and Vale District Council, and I am Vice Chair of the Board on that. There are also working groups under there, many of which we host or chair.

We bring together people who work in the health sector with the nature sector. We bring together people who work with communities. We bring together volunteer land managers. We also bring together the Oxfordshire Environment Board, and we bring together all the chief executives of the charities in Oxfordshire as well, the ones who want to join in.

And it takes time out of people’s diaries for them to do that, so we really appreciate the time that it takes for them to come to these workshops and events and things. But it is really important.

We also do absolutely loads of events ourselves, and in collaboration with other people and with community groups and parish and town councils and other organisations, bringing the general public together. We have an annual conference for our local nature groups every year around September or October. There are also lots of different events across the county across the year, which you can find out about by signing up to our email bulletin.

There is also a new event coming up, the Oxford Nature Festival, on Saturday 27 June, being organised by some staff from the university, and we are really excited to be a part of that because I think it will be a great way to raise the profile of nature and bring people together, and share the learnings of the research with the enthusiastic public. I am really looking forward to that, and hoping that it might even get bigger in future years if it can be done again.

Vittorio Anah: That all sounds like really good stuff. I wanted to zoom out for a second and think about, over the years, you have been in this field for quite a long time in terms of environmental work. In the past, say, 20 or 30 years, would you say that environmental work in Oxford has gotten a bigger profile, grown and gotten bigger, or is it shrinking? Which way is it looking? Is it looking positive or a bit more negative?

Camilla Burrow: Unfortunately, nature is still declining, so biodiversity is still declining. We have not managed to reverse that yet, but I think we are on the cusp of achieving that.

When I first started working, and actually when I did my masters, I think only me and one other person actually went into ecology roles after that masters. Everyone else went into other sectors because there were not any jobs in ecology. Also, in my first job at the county council, people still thought that ecologists were kind of slightly mad, tree-hugging hippies. It was not really respected as a profession. It was not even considered a profession. Even the scientists thought it was not really a science. Everyone was like, what is this?

But fast forward to now, I think sustainability is on a lot of people’s minds. Everyone recycles now, everyone knows to turn off the lights, everyone knows to shop locally. Since COVID in particular, more people care about nature. So I think we are definitely moving in the right direction in terms of mainstreaming nature.

I think there is a lot more information out there for people on what they can do to help. Social media has helped with that as well, actually. So I think rather than ecology being seen as a slightly nutty, niche pseudoscience that no one cares about, now it is seen as integral to society, our livelihoods, our health and happiness, and in fact our very survival. So I think we are moving in the right direction.

Vittorio Anah: In the future, to continue moving in the right direction, what sort of actions do you think environmental charities like Wild Oxfordshire, and perhaps other institutions like the University of Oxford or even the government, need to change or continue doing or accelerate to keep up the momentum needed to reverse biodiversity loss?

Camilla Burrow: I think a lot of people are already doing the right thing, and that is really great. What we need now is more people to be involved. We need everyone to be thinking about nature as a day-to-day essential part of their lives. How can they be in contact with nature? The only way they can do that is if they have created some space for nature.

Whatever land you have, whether that is a window box or a farm or a big estate or a park, and whatever your sphere of influence, whether that is just your own garden or your community space or your business or if you are in government, obviously, or in a big institution and can have a lot more influence and make a bigger difference, everyone has the power to make changes needed to achieve nature recovery.

We all need to, whenever we see any kind of space, put some nature in it. If we all did that, it would be a patchwork effect, but together it would add up to a lot.

We have lots of guidance and advice on our website about how people can do that, for different sectors such as community groups, farmers, businesses, and schools. People can also contact us and we can help them. And it is not just us, there are other charities out there helping people as well, so I do not mind who you ask, but just ask someone for help if you need it.

Vittorio Anah: In the future, for your specific organisation, do you have any plans? Do you guys have a plan of, in the next 10 years we want to have done this much work, or we are looking at these targets? What are your goals for the future as an organisation?

Camilla Burrow: Our overall goal is for everyone in Oxfordshire to be connected with nature, because there is nature on their doorstep and all around us.

At the moment, we are working with the groups and organisations that want to work with us, and encouraging them to highlight and promote the work they are doing to other people in their sector. At the moment, we already work with community groups, parish and town councils, farmers, schools, businesses, landowners, and local authorities.

What we want is for all of those individuals, groups, and organisations who we are not working with to decide they do want to do something for nature. The targets we have are essentially to achieve the Local Nature Recovery Strategy targets and the 30 by 30 targets and all of those sorts of things.

At Wild Oxfordshire, because we do work in this co-design way, we are always on the lookout for opportunities. So I do not want us to have too much set in stone about what we want to achieve, when we really need to be working with people and asking them what we can achieve together.

Vittorio Anah: Thank you so much for speaking to me on the Nature Recovery Podcast. Before we close up, what would you say to people listening, and even people who are not listening? What is the message that Wild Oxfordshire wants to get out?

Camilla Burrow: I think the key thing is that we all need nature for our health and our happiness and our survival. And together we can achieve nature recovery in Oxfordshire.

So if you join us, look on our website, contact us, and we can help you create space for nature in whatever way you want to and are able to.

Vittorio Anah: Thank you so much, Camilla. That was Camilla Burrow from Wild Oxfordshire. Thank you so much for joining us on the Nature Recovery Podcast. It was really great speaking to you.

Camilla Burrow: Thank you.

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