Episode 22: Knots Of Grace: Finding Your Unique Value and Praying Through Change with Kathleen Borsh

Hello Beautiful Souls!

This week I am joined by the incredible Kathleen Borsh of Knots of Grace. Kathleen is a business owner, mother, and true warrior for Christ. She is bringing people back to God through visual reminders of grace and wants you to reap the benefits too!

In this episode Kathleen shares her long-learned expertise so that you can walk away with immediately implementable tips. Kathleen will guide you through...

• How to help yourself and others recognize their value.
• How to adapt to changes in life and not leave your prayer behind.
• The impact of having a visual reminder of grace.
• Her favorite scripture verse and how it can  literally, "open doors" of opportunity for you too.

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Transcript

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Hello everyone. And welcome back this week on persistence in prayer, we are going to talk about how to help others find their value. One of the ways that we can adapt to change, particularly in our prayer life. And how we can use visuals within our homes and workplaces to help us remember to maintain. Persistence in prayer. As well as plant seeds for others in our lives, so that they might come to God through prayer as well. If you are new here, I just want to say welcome. I am your host, Kylie Hein. I'm so grateful that you are here. I am a Catholic mindset coach podcast, host. And educator who really just wants to bring souls to Christ through prayer. I work with clients, especially those who are high achieving women who want to do all of the things. Learn to develop prayer habits so that God is first in their life. And that God will radiate through the work that they are doing in their home lives. And. Into all those they encounter. If you are interested in learning more about what I do, you can go to www.kyliemhein.com. And you can sign up for a free exploration call or download the examined for every temperament. To kickstart your reflection in your prayer life. Today I am joined by special guests. Kathleen Borsch. Kathleen is the founder and maker of knots of grace. That's of grace as a woman owned family operated business that handcrafts distinctive single decade and full decade rosaries and gifts. You're going to hear me talk about these later. They are fantastic. Kathleen loves things that are both beautiful and practical and strives to achieve this in every rosary that she creates. She loves her family growing in her relationship with God and owning her business. She loves to explore, travel, learn, and make crafty things. Of course. Uh, Kathleen is originally from Arizona, but now lives in Georgia with an occasional stop to Singapore. She and her husband have been married for 27 years and they have one daughter in college. So help me now in welcoming Kathleen Borsch of knots of grace. Kathleen, thank you so much for being here. It's a blessing to have you. Oh, thank you. I'm, I'm, I'm so grateful to be here. It's, it's wonderful. Your podcast is a, is a great thing for, for women who are trying to just try and do too much and do it all. So, I'm so glad to be here. Yeah, so as I mentioned in the intro, Kathleen is the founder and maker of Knots of Grace, and as I've been learning about Kathleen, one of her gifts is helping employees to find their value. So I wanted to start here because last week on the podcast I talked about how sometimes our gifts can feel very hidden and they're hard for us to identify within ourselves. Other people can see them, but we have a hard time kind of seeing them. Uh, so I'm curious, first of all, what is it when you're working with employees that is typically getting in the way of them seeing their own value? Oh, that's a great question. So I am a retired human resources professional. I was in the business for 22 plus years. Um, my heart's still there, so I still get a lot of questions. But what causes people to not see their value is. Oh, gosh, there's so many things. It could be someone who said something to them a long time ago. It could be, you know, the needs of the organization were just so and so. They, they raised their hand kind of like I did along the way. I have a, a quote that I, I like, um, from, um, the movie Robots. It's an old kids movie. Yeah. And it's, um, uh, see a need fill a need. And so they may have seen a need and they're filling that need, and after a while they don't, they realize, yes, I can do that, but that's not what I'm meant to do. And so the value that they're adding, they know they're adding value to the organization because they're coming to work, they're getting paycheck, they didn't get fired. Um, you know, all those good things that are happening, but the, the intrinsic, am I making a difference, isn't there? Hmm. And so for. Them to find that if it's, you know, anything like me, what, what I try and do when I'm meeting with them. And I love one-on-ones. Those were, those were some of my favorite times was to just, you know, talk about not work, let's talk about not work for a moment. And what are the things that light you up outside of work? Um, for example, there was this one woman that I worked with and she sang in the choir at her church. She was very, very active at her church and, and she was contemplating, do I leave what I do here?'cause I love what I'm doing here. She was in sales and marketing and things like that. I love what I'm doing here, but I'm just like feeling. The pole between the two. So what am I supposed to do? And I'm like, just pray on it, but see what your gifts are. Let's see how what you do and what you love about singing in the choir and what you love about the things that you do at church. How can you apply them here at work without, you know, it may not be that you can talk about God, it may not be that you can, you know, do preachy things or things like that. But you can share that light the same way you do at church. You can share that light here and how can we do that? And, um, she's still working where she is. She's, she's a blessing where she, she was working, uh, is working. And um, she's still very active in her choir and such. But it's just finding those things. And also, um, I used to use this, um, tool. When I was working, and it's just going through and just finding those little things that, that spark joy. Like even from someone working in the mail room, what sparks joy during your day? I'm, you know, like I, you know, I work in the mail room. I, you know, I don't know what's adding value, whatever. When somebody asks you to do whatever, why, why does that make you feel good? Those kinds of things. Um, I don't know if that's what you're looking for, but Yeah. It's, it's just like asking those questions and then for me, I have to go out and ask. And so I have my two sisters, um, who are still with me. And so every once in a while I say, okay guys, I just, I'm at a loss. Like I know what I'm good at, but when you think of me, what are the first three words that come up when you think of me? Mm-hmm. And I remember asking this, Gosh, it was probably 12, 13 years ago. And one of the words that my, one of my sisters came back with is, you're determined. And so, you know, it's things like that and like you can look at it with a negative look, but then you kind of have to prey on it and think, how is that good? Yeah. I mean, and it is good. Mm-hmm. So, I mean, it's things like that, like what are those words that people keep saying to you or, and you're hearing the good words, not the bad ones. Yeah. Let's, let's get the bad ones out. What are the good ones that you hear? And if there's bad stuff going on at work that is, that's time to pray. And, you know, it's hard, it's hard to be in a place where you're feeling oppressed. Oh yeah. Where you're feeling like you cannot be your true self. Um, I've been there. It's, it's not easy to do so, and, um, there's many ways to do it. Um, one of the things that I do now that I wished I had done then was to have something with me to continue to remind me of God's grace of what I truly believe in. But some of us are on a path, are running from different things, from thing to thing and, and don't realize, um, the grace that we have in our life until something happens and then we see it. Yeah. Oh my gosh. There's so much in there that you said. Um, so first of all, I wanna go back to like, reasons why people don't see their value. So first of all, you talked about the past, which this has come up a lot. Um, I'm leading a book study right now on spiritual warfare and discernment of spirits and. We talk a lot about when you are in spiritual desolation or just kind of feeling desolate in general and the evil spirits, right? They, they try to pull you from like the path toward heavenly virtue or towards heavenly things. And part of the way that they do that is pulling you out of the present. And so it's pulling you into those past memories because every emotion has an image attached to it. So it's pulling you back into those past images of something that has happened before. And then we, we don't see our value because maybe there was an experience that we haven't asked for healing from. Um, I mean, I, I still know there are moments in my own life that will come up. So I was a teacher for 13 years and I, I loved being in the classroom, but there are moments. That I'm like, man, like if I get pulled back there, I completely, you know, will feel unworthy. Like, I'm not, I'm not a good educator, I'm not a good coach. Those types of things. Because maybe you had one experience out of a million. Right? Right. Yeah. Yeah. And our minds naturally just are like, we wanna focus on the bad instead of on the good. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that's huge. And then also, as you said, um, being asked to feel needs that don't necessarily nurture our gifts. So last week on the podcast I talked about, um, working genius. So this is from Pat Lin's, the table group. I don't know if you've ever heard of that, but I haven't yet. No. They, they talk about, uh, essentially there's, there's six working geniuses. Everybody has like two where you're operating at like high capacity. I can live here all day, I feel great. Right. Two that are like, okay, I can be here sometimes. And then two, that it's like, No, when I am here, like I can fill a need if I have to, but if I am operating here all day, every day, I am going to be really miserable and Amen. So I, again, that's something else I saw in teaching, you know, or with education, like there are teachers, some who are very creative, and if they're in a school system where they are not able to create where they are, it's very, very structured and they aren't able to add like, their own flare. That can be very defeating. And it's not that they're not great teachers or that teaching isn't, you know, calling them to, it might just be that's not the right environment because they aren't able to operate out of their gifts as often as they may be. No, no, you're a hundred percent on that. Um, because there's so, so many times that I am, you know, I've worked with. People from all levels in, in organizations and um, you know, no matter what level you're at, sometimes you feel handcuffed and you feel like, I can't leave this job that I'm in because of, you know, finances, you know, benefits, finances, all that, you know, the things that we need to do to survive in on this earth. Um, and so they feel like, well, I can't go pursue my dreams. And like, one of the things that has always just kind of dug at me because it was not framed the right way, is like, go pursue your dreams. You know, this has been such, the thing out in the world is like, go do your dreams. Go pursue your dreams. I'm not saying don't pursue your dreams, I'm just saying let's. Let's think about what those are and like really discern what we're being called to do. Like, I may love cooking. Mm-hmm. But I know I can't go be a chef every day because there's lots of extra things that go along with the cooking and the being a chef and all the back stuff that I would hate it within probably three days. Right. I mean, and then I would resent it. And then, I mean, and that's the thing is like once you get into something and you feel it, you start resenting it and then it's like, okay, now it's time to take a step back, look at it and, and say, Hey God, um, what did I miss? What did I miss on this? I know I need to stay here for a little while. Mm-hmm. What is the good that can come out of this situation while I'm looking for the next good that you want me to do? Yes. Amen. I love that. Just like sitting in the moment. Um, I was working with a client the other day and we talked about just like being able to acknowledge big feelings and big questions and how important that is because some of us, especially, um, depending on your temperament, so like, I'm also very high sanguine and so sometimes I want to like, I wanna skip to the good emotions. Yeah. I don't wanna sit and feel the bad emotions. Um, and so I will automatically just shift my brain because, you know, you grow up hearing like, oh, just change your mindset and just change your thoughts and it changes the trajectory. Well, that's very short term. That's like a bandaid. You actually have to sit in like what was the emotion, what was the thought that was causing that emotion? Because if I've had the same thought, maybe you talk about resentment, like if I've had this thought of resentment about my workplace over and over and over again, then that is deeply rooted. It has become a belief and I can't just. Thought swap. Mm-hmm. And go into my workplace and feel happy, like, and go, oh, oh yeah, I love being here. Yeah. Oh yes. Like I, that mask sit. Where is this resentment coming from? Like, what is the root of the thought that's causing the resentment? And is it true? Because it may not even actually be true. It might be something that I've made up in my own mind. Um, so I think that that's really important to just allow yourself to sit in that emotion, not forever, but just acknowledge that you have it and that there's a thought somewhere in there that is causing this emotion. And then, like you said, ask yourself like, Lord, what can I learn from this? What do you want me to take from this? Um, you've had some really great questions too. I wanna go back to a couple that you brought up, like asking someone what sparks joy, not necessarily in the workplace or in that context, but just what brings you joy in general? Like, like can you go back to the last. Experience, experience you had that brought you joy and describe it to me. I think that that's so powerful. Um, oh yeah. Um, and then, and the other thing that that does, especially when you're working with somebody, um, is you ask that question. And, and so many times, especially those of us who are really driven. Mm-hmm. Like my goal when I got outta college is I was going to climb the ladder as quickly as possible. And, and I did it. Yes, I did. Did did it cause a lot of other things to, you know, got, get pushed to the side, including my relationship with God? Yes, it did. Um, but that was my goal. And so those of us who have those who are driven that way can definitely, we need, we, we put ourselves aside, like we're driving towards that goal, but we also put ourselves aside. Hmm. If that makes sense. And so when you're talking with somebody and you're saying, what was the last thing that sparked joy? Because once you find that goal, sometimes the joy is not at the end of the goal. It's in the pursuit of the goal. And, and so you have to be able to take a step back. And if you, somebody asks you that question, then you have to say, it makes you feel the joy. Like, oh my gosh, somebody wants to know about me. Mm-hmm. And then that just brings out, like, my favorite thing is when I, I start talking about that and the person I'm talking with, and they just light up, like literally. And I mean that in the, the exact right word. They light up there is just their face becomes, you know, there's a smile. They, you know, their eyes are bright, everything is beautiful. Amen. That's my favorite part of a coaching session. When you just see like this shift in their body language and their tone of voice completely changes because it was like something shifted inside. Yeah. And I, that part, um, I feel so very seen with what you just said, talking about achieving, you know, like I'm very, if Clifton strengths, my number one gift is achiever. And I have tried for like the first time I took that assessment, I've taken it several times through different career avenues and things like that, but Right. I was so sure I had worked so hard. I was like, Nope, that's not gonna be my number one. It's not even gonna be in my top five. Nope, it's still my number one. Um, because I started to see it as a deficit of like, I was pursuing all of these things to try to prove my worth. And also like hiding behind education. Like I'm not gonna step out into the fullness of, you know, like I am now. I'm, I, I left my job. I left the security of working for someone else, um, to pursue something different that God was calling me to, but there was so much fear and I hid behind education. Like, I, I just don't know enough. I don't know everything. And so I had to keep pursuing to know more and more, not recognizing that God can use me just as I am and, oh, are we looking in a mirror right now? Because Yes. That, that is, that's a hundred percent. I mean, my, my persona was I am an HR person and it, it took me many, many, many years to just kind of, Unbundle that and be like, no, no. That's just something you do. You enjoy it, you know parts of it. Mm-hmm. But that is not who you are. That is just what you do. Yes. It's, that goes back to that identity before your mission. Like you have to know who you are. Um, I was just talking on a phone call the other day talking to someone about this, about, um, their workplace and how there so many people are like, well, I pray like, but this is who I am. Like I, you know, this career path. And it's like, no, no, no. You have to go back. Like you have to know who you are as a daughter of God before you can have your mission because you don't really know what your mission is unless you've spent that time and you can actually hear God talking to you and have clarity and not just like this false, like snapshot sense of peace in what you're doing, where it feels good for a second. So then you just like, Power through, like you said, filling a need, like filling a need feels really good for a minute. But if it's not where God is asking you to be, it wears you down. Oh yeah. And so just like going back to that foundation of prayer, of being able to hear the Lord speak to you and say like, no, I love you just as you are without doing anything. Like just for being the person that I created. And then, okay, now that you are full and you understand my love and all that I have to offer you now take this next step. Right. Well, and that and a hundred percent yes. Because, and then there's uh, what, while you were saying that, the first thing that was coming to my mind is going back to prayer, but then there's some of us who don't know how to pray outside of our rote, the rote prayers. Mm-hmm. And so that, It took me a while to accept that that's okay to start there. Like, yes, if I can't, I'm not gonna be, now I can do it better and it comes with practice, but having, um, you know, an ad hoc prayer come, come from me is not usually something that, that comes naturally. Mm-hmm. Saying the Hail Mary. Okay, I got that. You know, the, our father, you know, the prayers that we learned in c c D class, you know Yeah. In our catechism. That those are the things that are the foundation for pe. You know, some of us, and, and I go back to those, like, let's start here. Mm-hmm. Let's take the next small step If, if I'm supposed to do some of those other things and have more of a, a free flowing prayer. Mm-hmm. It'll happen when it happens. But today me praying. Prayers that other people have, have written and prayers, you know, that we've been given from the Lord. Mm-hmm. That's perfectly fine. Yeah. I, I'm st taking this from Dan Burke. Um, but he will say, pray as you can, not as you cannot. Like, it's, it's great to read about the saints, but we have to remember that as we're reading their writings, their writings were written when they were, you know, very far, if St. Theresa Vela were talking about the interior castle and the mansion's, like they were very far. Right. Yeah. And so we have get, like, if we're not there, that's okay. Like, God meets us where we are and grow. Prayer is better than no prayer. Mm-hmm. Start somewhere. And as you spend more time with God and you get more comfortable, then that progression will happen. Right. Um, but I, and it especially, it's also out of our comfort zone. Um, I think for a lot of us, I know growing up. My mom was Catholic, my dad was not. Um, and there wasn't a lot of like family prayer Sure. But at, you know, birthdays or Christmases, those types of events, my dad would, he'd have us say the prayer before meals and then he would finish it. Um, and he had grown up in the Baptist Church, Methodist Church. Um, but he was very good at that type of prayer, you know, just like speaking from the heart. And I think that's something our Protestant brothers and sisters are very great at a lot of times. Yes, yes. And, but that was uncomfortable for me even if we had, um, you know, my C Y O group growing up. So it was Catholics and non-Catholics. Mm-hmm. They would ask for people to leave prayer. It was never the Catholics that stepped up to lead prayer. Right. That was, it goes outta the comfort zone. Yeah, exactly. It. Yeah. And, and yes, I mean, that's all I can say with that is'cause I, I've been through all those things and, and it is, um, the word awesome comes up. I honestly, our, our Protestant brothers and sisters, the fact that they can do that with a little more ease mm-hmm. Is really awesome. I mean it, and it's, it's part of how they learned, obviously. Mm-hmm. And how we learned is, is, is how we learned. And um, and, and then we're all just kind of, I don't know. It, it's just awesome. I that the fact that there are some people who can do that. And so I lean on them'cause I know that I'm not there. Yeah. And I will say like from my own personal experience, it does come with practice and with time and just getting comfortable, but also starting with your own personal prayer with God. Yes. Whether it's through, you just start by journaling, like just, just journaling from the heart. Because prayer is really just having a conversation with God. And so if you can be really honest and just tell him what's on your heart, like not worrying about it being the, the right words or the perfect words, but just like, Lord, this is what I'm struggling with. This is what I wanna thank you for, what I wanna praise you for. Um, I think we can also read through scripture. I mean, there's so many avenues, but Sure it does, it does come with time. Like that confidence will build because, um, as you start to pray, even as we, as we make the sign of the cross, like we might say the first few words, but then the Holy Spirit, we just allow the Holy Spirit to take over and everything else isn't really us anyway. So I think that's what's kind of. Beautiful about prayer. You were talking about journaling, you've talked about it a couple of times. And, um, one I've journaled off and on all my adult life. Mm-hmm. And, um, but within the last couple of years, I, I've, I was turned, um, to, to use the Magnolia Catholic Journal. Yeah. Oh my goodness. If, if, if you want to expand your prayer life and really your relationship with God, that is, has been for me anyway, and I've been in Bible studies and I tell, tell women about it, and it is, it's my prayer time and then it leads me other places. It is just such a beautiful gift that they've created for, for people like me and others to use. Um, and it goes through those things that you're talking about, the gratitudes and, and just recognizing those. Recognizing those, seeing them right in front of you, writing them down. And if, if any, if you're like me, you don't remember to write those things down all the time. Yeah. But that it's guided enough, but also free enough to let you kind of flow. Um, yes. So, and if anyone's listening, um, met Catholic does have a free download so you can see what the outline of the journal looks like. So if you're like, I don't wanna buy it yet, you can, you can see what that template looks like and you can reach out to someone there. Or you can also reach out to me. I'm trained through Met Catholic, and I can help kind of guide you through the journal the first time you look at it. Sometimes it can be a little daunting, like, what am I supposed to do here? Um, but they have, they have incredible people to help you with all of that. Uh, so yes, that is a great, a great resource. Um, I free journal a lot too, but that structure's in my head just through coaching. Yeah. It's, it really is a blessing. It helps you, um, Just center on, on what is good Yeah. And the goals that you are setting with God. Right. Because God has to be a component of it. It's not like we're not manifesting something, you know, like we're not manifesting something from our own brain. It is like, where's the Lord calling me? Yes. And how can I still set a tangible goal to work toward the pursuit of, of holiness, you know? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. As we go through and then looking at our thoughts. And then there's a lot of, it's a lot of St. Thomas Aquinas, but, um, the more I keep digging further and further into St. Ignatius, and going back to my training with St. Ignatius, there's so much of St. Ignatius in those two, so I love it. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's really good. I am, I'm, I'm glad that, that it was introduced to me and it did, and yes, you are a hundred percent right, like the first time you used it. I think my first few journals, I did one and two, maybe got to three, and then from there I might. I have no idea. I would look back at the, you know, the examples and then it was, I, I just don't know. And then finally it started to work. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and for me, I was like, I have to fill in every, every line. And I'm like, I don't have an hour to journal every day, but that's funny. And then I started seeing other people's journals and I'm like, oh, like I can just write a couple of words. I don't have to write, oh, well here, I'm gonna show you j just kind of a snapshot. This is like, mine goes all over the place, Uhhuh, and like, it, it almost, my creativity comes out in it too. So it's just like, it's, it's just such a beautiful thing. Anyway. That's awesome. So, yeah. I love it. Okay, so you also, you've created this business Knots of Grace. Yes. Can you tell us a little bit about that and what inspired you? And then we'll kind of transition into how does this also help women pray? Oh yeah, absolutely. Because that's the intention. Mm-hmm. So, um, so I've created knots of grace out of a see and need fill a need moment. Mm-hmm. Um, gosh, back my daughter. So, uh, my daughter went to, uh, a Catholic school, um, starting it in preschool and then, and then, um, through grade five and, um, at the schools that she was at, they had a Santa shop and there was a woman in the parish, um, next door that used to donate, um, doorknob, rosaries, these things that she made. Mm-hmm. And I bought 1 1 1 Christmas and,'cause I thought it was unique and fantastic and, um, hung it on our door and it was just sitting there. Our prayer life was minimal. You know, it was ev when I thought about it. Thank you, God. You know, and you know, when I was at picking up my daughter, every day we would say the Guardian angel Prayer. And so when I was for helping with my daughter's faith formation, my prayer life was greater. But on my own I was not so great. So anyway, uh, fast forward a few years, we went overseas, lived abroad, the door rosary came with us, and it was actually on our only door inside. You know, we had one door to go in and out of our, our condo and it was sitting on our door. So every single day that I left to go take my daughter to the bus go, went to go run my errands, whatever I did, it was there. And in time I started then to say, like, I saw it was there, but then it was, I really saw it was there. And, and then it was, I'm allowing God and, and the Spirit to really, really come into me and I'm inviting him into my space and saying, okay, I'm ready for this now what, what do you want me to do with this? Hmm. So, so while we were overseas, I was, you know, one of the things that I did was, um, again, I see a need fill, a need. I, I was my daughter's, um, c c d teacher for, um, first communion. Mm-hmm. Met one of my, my best friends there, um, and, and such. And um, and then when we got back, the woman who was making these door number rry, she retired and she moved to Florida. And my friend was in charge of the shop and she said, uh, and I said, well, if you still want these, give me a year. I'll figure out how to make'em. And I'll, so that way we have'em for the shop. And she's like, okay. So she gave me, you know, a small amount of money, I think like a hundred dollars or something. And sh and I had the year to figure it out. And, and so trial and error, got there, had them all over the house trying to figure out how to do these knots just perfectly, um, to make'em beautiful. And also, you know, enough that I would want to, to present them and I would want to give them as a gift and, and also different and make them my own. So long story, I made'em, I was sharing'em with my sister. My sister said, you need to post these on Facebook. So posted one on Facebook and then somebody bought one there and there. People at this, you know, at the school after the Santa shop, they're like, I want two more of those. And so it just sort of became, and I. My number one charism, I've done a charism inventory over the last couple years is craftsmanship and like super high craftsmanship and like, and I didn't really understand that. Looking back now I get it because I could go, if I'm having a bad day, I'll go down in, into my craft room, paint something silly, feel great, move on. The day is good again. And so it's like these little seeds that were just being planted along the way and or little beacons of light that God was just saying, see now, do you get it? Yeah. So anyway, so I started making them and then, um, Started doing shows and, and selling them at, at, you know, different churches and things like that. And then it just sort of just became more and more of what I'm supposed to be doing. And at one point, um, along the way, I was at a non-denominational church doing a, a show and every person that walked by me, they saw the word rosary and they're like, I'm not Catholic. And I'm like, well, you don't have to be Catholic in order to enjoy God's grace in your home. And I, you know, could explain to them how it was not going to be bad for them. And, and actually it is good and, you know, was able to talk about it and then sat down with the Lord, um, a few days later. And I'm like, I need to change the name of my business. I need to be able to call these something more than rosary because. You're telling me to get these in? I mean, in 2016, I remember sitting in, um, I was working with, uh, a coach and I remember sitting in there and I'm, and she, we were, I was frustrated with, with work that I was doing at the moment, but I wasn't ready to move on from there. But, and I knew that this was where I wanted to go, and I just, so much enthusiasm. I'm like, these are supposed to be in every single Catholic home across the country. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Go ahead, take a minute. I, I love it. I think this story is so beautiful. Um, I got emotional back then too, so, well, you just talking about, um, you know, People seeing the word rosary and just being turned away from it. And it's, it just goes back to this idea of people don't actually know what they need. Like they, they have an idea of what this problem is in their mind, but that it's not really the real problem. And so how often is it that we walk away from something good because we don't see it for what it actually is? Right. And so that's, so over the last, so I've been making these, not selling them, but making them for almost 10 years now. So I started in, you know, 2013. Yep. Is when I started my, my journey. Um, and you know, and with them, my faith foundation has become, More solid. And so I've relearned, I've things that I, I know I learned in c c D along the way, but didn't remember I'm learning new things. I'm, you know, just, it, it's just opening doors and opening doors and opening doors and, um, of, of things that I never thought that I would be doing at this point in my life. Mm-hmm. I thought that I was going to be the head of a company and like chief, whatever you wanted to call it, and, you know, woman in my business suit and, and all that kind of stuff. Um, and I still, you know, but I'm still all that, but I'm able to help other people find their, the light for their path. Hmm. And that's what I see these as is, and that's what they're meant to be, is those small things that just, they're there, they're right in front of you, you can't miss it. You can't run away from it. You can't not see it because it's in your way if you, for lack of a better term. Yeah. It's on your door. It's, you know, if you have one of the, um, runner's rosary, it's on your wrist, it's in your pocket, it's on in your car, it is in your face. So if people are visual people, like a lot of us are mm-hmm. Those in your face, every single t moment of that you possibly can, something's gonna break through. And that's what these are. I love it. I, I think I started for lint, I don't know how many years back. Um, I was trying to do a rosary a day and so then I had all these rosaries in my car.'cause I would've enough hand to my kids. They didn't always pray with me, but sometimes they would hold one. Sure. Um, and just even the last. I don't know, a month or so. My car has been in the shop. They think the engine's out on it, but I've been driving different cars and I'm like, I admit, like that visual reminder, I'm still praying my rosary but not having the physical rosary in there. Um, and I wanna go back to, you talked about making these knots. I've heard these knots are not easy to make. I've never actually made them myself. I've heard that they're very difficult and I have the door rosary and it is beautiful and it is so well made. Thank you. Um, I have it outside of this door, but I want one for my kitchen, uh, as well.'cause that's the door that I typically go in and out of. But that visual reminder, I love the pocket rosary. I love just having something, you know, when you reach in your pocket. When I was teaching, like I loved having just that tactile. Yes. Because it was a reminder. Like I don't have to say the whole rosary, but I can say a Hail Mary right now, I can pray for the student that's walking in the door. It's like you said, it's that tangible reminder that you can see, that you can touch, that you can feel that, you know. God is present and, and give him some time too. And, and pray for the people around you. And pray for yourself.'cause I think that that's such a needed thing. And it truly is. Like, I love the name Knots of Grace because it's, God is gonna give us those graces that we ask for. Um, but we have to make the time to ask for them. Absolutely. Yeah. And the reason, like the pocket rose, I like that you said actually having it in your pocket and you know, something, you know, that you can actually just put your hand on. And I've had a number of, of people over the years say, that's just what they do. And if I'm not wearing my runner's rosary, I have one in my pocket and it's usually my serenity. It has a serenity prayer on the cross. And so it's it, and that one's in my pocket and, and it's gone through the wash because I forgot to take it outta my pocket. But that's a whole nother story. But, um, anyway. But even like you put your hand in her pocket and the simple things of, thank you God for letting me walk today. Hmm. Because I woke up in pain, but thank you for letting me walk today. Yeah. So, and, and then also in the workforce, you're not always allowed to put your crosses out, but if you have it in your pocket, nobody knows it's there other than you and God. So you talked about laundry. I have one of those little, it's almost like a ring with like the knots around. Yeah. So a friend of mine had given me one, and I would take it when I was coaching volleyball, I would always have it in my jacket while we were playing. And I would, you know, kind of thumb through, um, between plays and pray. But I almost like it when I forget it because then it's like you're doing laundry and you're stressed out and you're like, oh my gosh, all this laundry's overflowing and it falls out of the dryer. And you're like, oh. Like just take a minute. Just Yep. Stop. And it's where you are. Yes. You needed that moment, that moment of peace, that moment of just sanity. Of, okay, yeah, I know I'm doing the laundry and I've got 20 other things in front of me, but I'm gonna take this moment because you just fell out in front of me. Mm-hmm. The other thing I love about your products too is, you know, these are affordable things that you can have in your home. I grew up in a very frugal home. Both of my parents were teachers. Um, my husband and I are still very conservative in what we spend money on. And I also, I don't know if you've ever read the book by Thomas Dube, happy Are You Poor? But you read that book and you're like, I'm never gonna buy anything ever again. And so you're like, uh, I don't need all this religious art in my house. I don't need anything on my walls. Um, but those, those reminders and also for people to walk into your home and get curious or to like yeah. Have that visual reminder of like, Hey, this is, this is a. Catholic space or this is a welcoming place, whatever it happens to be like. Um, just to have that visual expression of what your morals and your values are or, and, and especially Absolutely. And then, and something just came to my mind right now, um, because I've been so focused on the workforce for so much of my life, a lot of what I try and do is how do we incorporate God into our workday? Hmm. And, um, uh, my husband had an experience where, I added a rosary in his office. I, you know,'cause he comes in my office all the time, he sees him and he's like, oh, I really like this cross. And so I put one in his office office. And it's just amazing how just little shifts, things like that, where if you have it, you know, something hanging in front of you, in front of your laptop, you're working from home, which a lot of us do nowadays, and it's just there again. A corner of the eye. It may be right in front of you, but it may be the corner of your eye and it just kind of helps you refocus. I wanna send this really SC email to you because I think you're an idiot, but I'm gonna take a breath and ask the Holy Spirit to help me write this email because I want to get something from this and not just pain. It's funny you say that because I, I hung mine on my door outside of my office here. And this morning I was thinking, I was like, oh my gosh, this would've been like the perfect Christmas present gift as a teacher. I wish someone would've gifted me something like this. And so, as you're saying that, I'm like, yep, I am totally ordering these for my kids' teachers Oh, to have in their classroom. I mean, obviously, um, they're, they're at a Catholic school, so there are some like imagery, things like that. Sure. But in the classroom, sometimes it's hard to hang stuff on the walls and it's hard, you know, like this is something simple. Or like you said, having it by your desk. So if you have a bulletin board by your desk, you can just stick it up there. And when you get that, that parent email, that's hard to respond to. You know, the kid emails you like, I didn't get my homework done for the fifth day in a row. And you're like, out of patience, it's okay. Just pause, wait for a second, and then reset. Well, and the curiosity factor that you just mentioned, like if you have it hanging, you know, the, the teacher has it hanging by at their desk. The kids are gonna come up and they're gonna be like, well, what is that? Hmm. What do I, what do I do with that? You know, how do I use that? Yeah. What does that do for you? And it just opens those conversations and, and that's the best, is when we can open the doors, open the conversations, and just let them flow where they're supposed to flow. Yeah. I got mine and my daughter immediately opened it.'cause anytime a package comes, she wants to open it. Sure. He was like, can I take this? Can I have it? She wanted it, by the way. Oh my goodness. Thank you. Well, I, so thank you for all of the, the wonderful things you said about that, about the rosary. So the, the one I sent you is one of our St. Benedict rosaries, and it's a, a newer one, but it's also one of our, one of our best sellers. And, and it's be, there's so many reasons why I think it might be, um, the size of it. I have some larger ones, but, uh, this is kind of a, I would call it a medium sized one. And it fits on any door, but it's not gonna be intrusive on your door, um, or in a doorknob or anything. And then it's also, it's durable. So the rope I use. 99%, 95, we'll call it. 95% of the rope that I, that I source are, is from, um, veteran owned companies here in the States. And, and I do that on purpose'cause I wanna support vets. Mm-hmm. Um, but I also and wanna support u other US businesses. Um, but the quality, I mean, honestly, if I would've found early in, in this journey, if I would've found a rope that was not from the US but that was luscious and beautiful and, and looked the way that it did, I would've bought that. But the quality that I get from these makers just makes'em that much more. Yeah. And so it's, it's a collaboration of all of the gifts that God's giving all of these different people, including me, and then I get to share them with you. Yeah. I love that. So you talked about like incorporating God in your day and one of the, the comments that I hear often is people saying like, I don't pray like I used to. Or, so sometimes it's like, I don't pray like I did in college, which for me is a great thing because my college life was not great for life, but sometimes, for example, like deep intimate prayer life in college, um, maybe they were part of their Newman Center or something like that. Yeah. And then now they've transitioned out. They don't have that same community. They have kids. They don't know how to handle it. So how can people utilize or just, do you have any tips for like, praying in transition or like adapting? Yeah, yeah. Um, gosh, I've done that so many times and my prayer life in college was not so, um, it, it was God's waiting on the other side of the door asking me to open it, but I just kept, kept it closed. So, um, those transitions, um, That's what this is all about. It's, it's just that keeping, you know, you wanna do it, you know you wanna do it, and just saying, whatever I can give to you today is good enough. Hmm. Yeah. Even if it's just, Hey, God, I'm here. Thank you. Yeah. That's good enough. I mean, you, you mentioned it earlier, just pray where you are. Pray where you are in your journey, where you are in your process. You may never get back to quote unquote, where you were, but that's not where you're supposed to be. Mm. Yeah. I like that. You, you may be in a place where that was that deep, that was at a moment where you were supposed to learn something very significant and then you were supposed to open up to the next significant thing and it will come in a different way as long as you're open. To listening. Yeah. And, and I think it's intentionality too. Like give what, give what you can and then try to go like just a little bit past what you're comfortable giving, like striving to do more. And sometimes your, your 100% might seem like 5% of what it used to be, but that's right then, and that's where I really love, like the Plan of Life program that I do, is just helping women to like what is reasonable and realistic and what is God calling you to in this season? Yeah. So we all should have ideally at least 15 minutes a day in the morning where we like, this is my prayer time where I'm gonna sit and then I'm gonna listen to God beyond that like, I like to say implement a daily exam and that's another five minutes at the end of the day. And then between like you do what you can, but if you're a mom with a newborn at home, your 15 minutes might be five minutes, or your 15 minutes might be while you're nursing. You have to adapt and adjust. Yeah. To your state and life. It is different for everyone. Absolutely. I was just thinking about that when my daughter was an infant and the 15 minutes I had were the moments she was in her bassinet. I took her into the bathroom with me while I took a shower and that was my moment to have some Sandy. I could still hear her, so if I needed to jump out and get her, but there was just that, you know. Major, uh, protection that I wanted to make sure that she was not any, you know, too far away from me, but I had to have some sanity for the moment and get a shower. Yes. And, um, because there are those days where you're like, okay, I just need a shower. Sometimes your shower is your prayer. That's what, and I was just gonna say that, that it's the cleansing of it and say thank you. Thank you Lord, for cleansing me of the negativity that I was feeling that I could not have the shower. That I, I didn't think that I had enough time to take the shower today. And, but now I, I'm able to do it because my daughter's patiently waiting for me over there. So, um, and then there was something else that just, I just thought about too. Um, it may come back, back to me that, that happens. Um, yeah, you talked to me. Oh, oh, go ahead. Sorry. It did come back. So actually what I find is, For me, the prayers come through and then maybe this is my, um, ad hoc prayer that I do. I actually see things in, uh, secular, uh, movies and things like that, and I relate them back to my relationship with God. Mm-hmm. And there's sort of forms of prayer for, so for example, our, in our house, we like Star Wars. So I mean, I, we can go all into all of the pieces and parts that could relate to the Trinity and all that kind of stuff. That's not what I was talking about. But the Mandalorian, just most recently, and one of the things that I, it like, it humbles me every time I hear it. This is, I'm sure not the intention, but every time I hear it, this is the way, like they all say, this is the way, and what I, I don't hear them saying their Mandalorian ness. I hear it in a Christian tone. Yeah. And so I like to, I, those are the prayers for me that I find in, in, and when I, I found along the way watching, you know, the tea, the movies that my daughter was watching, find those little tidbits because those may be the things that he's sharing with you that you're praying on in the moment, and it just doesn't feel the same. Oh my gosh. I, when my daughter was little, I was finishing up my master's in ministry and I watched Moana more times than I can count. And my, that was the theme that I used throughout my 40 page paper was relating my journey with Christ and back to all of these things in Moana, because that was, that was the imagery that was in my head because I had seen it so many times and that's what was probably playing in the background while I was trying to write. So, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I can use anything to reach us. Yeah. And I think that's really beautiful. Yeah. Well, I hope that helps somebody just, you know, just accept what is, and, and I mean, that's coming from somebody who loves to control everything, um, and has had to learn to surrender, um, a little bit at a time and just say, okay, God, I trust you. I really do. I really do. Okay. I know I'm testing you, but I trust you. I trust you. Yeah. And just, you know, those little things. Yeah. And recognizing when we're not trusting too, like, Lord, I want to trust you. Yeah. I'm not, I'm resisting right now. I want to trust you, so help me. Help me to trust you. Right. That's an important prayer too. Absolutely. You talked about, um, in college, like God being behind the door, but asking you to open it. And whenever I have someone on, I, I think that, you know, you went back to see a need, feel, feel a need. And one of the needs that I see in, in our Catholic faith is helping people to. Read more scripture and go back to like objective truth of what does Jesus actually say? And I say this for my own life too. This is something I continue to work on. So, um, you talked about a door and the scripture verse that you sent me was Matthew seven. Seven. Yep. Uh, ask and it will be given to you. Seek and you will find knock and the door will be open to you. What does that verse mean to you? Have you seen, um, the, the painting or, uh, artwork where the, it's the door. Jesus is behind it, but the doorknob on his side, there's no doorknob on his side. The doorknob is on our side. I can't, um, my mom says it was in our house. So this imagery is in my head. Um, so again, you know, something that was visual. I saw it on a very regular basis. Um, but the light that was coming through, like all you had to do was open it. Mm-hmm. And, um, so, so many times, I mean, I was just talking with my husband about this, this morning to be, which is funny, um, to me, but we were talking about, um, our daughter and that she, she's just started school and I wanted, you know, we all want the best for our children. We want them to be better than us in so many different ways. And one of the, the most awesome things is that the people who she's finding on campus are her C are Christian. Hmm. Are a Catholic. And she's like, those are the people who I wanna be with. Like, those are the first people that I was willing to go up and say, hi, my name is Dana and I really want to know what you're all about. And so it, it's, we were just talking about that. And how I did, I was, I held up a hand, like talk to the hand type of thing. And in college of, yeah, I had this really heavy duty faith formation and I'm ready to just co go explore. But God was always there and Jesus was always there behind that door just waiting, waiting for me to open it. And it, and I was like, I know you're there, but I'm just gonna go this way. I know you're there, but I'm just gonna go this way. Mm-hmm. And I would invite him in and then I would push him away and I would invite him in, push him away. Constant tug and, and everything. So that verse for me is, um, Impactful because it gives me the choice to open the door. And so many people just want to have the choice to do something like the, uh, God's will has been. Uh, like I don't want it to be predetermined. I know that he knows where I'm going. I know I have free will, but, and I like the fact that I can choose and I choose this. And that is, that's what makes it even more joyful. Yeah. It's a way of returning that love is like, I choose you, Lord, I exactly love you in return. Right. Um, it can never be in the same way that you love me. Like I'm not capable of that. I don't have that capacity, but I can, I can open the door and I can, I can choose you and I can say yes to you. One of the things that is, is on my heart is for cradle Catholics. You know, you grow, grew up Catholic and, and I, one of the things that I get, I understand in certain circumstances why they, where, why people are where they are and, and because I've gone through my own journey, right? Mm-hmm. And, um, but people will say, well, I grew up Catholic. I grew up Catholic. And I'm like, well, you're still Catholic. You were baptized, you're still Catholic. Um, and, and, and I feel like if through these beacons, these invitations, these knots of grace, that those are the things that are going to allow people to see that the door is ready to be opened. That's what it is. I mean, I actually found that verse from a quote from to Tony Gaskins and it, he basically just said, um, and I'm paraphrasing, um, those, um, the door will be opened for those of who are bold enough to knock. Um, something along those lines. And then I realized that it was Matthew seven seven and, and I was like, oh my gosh. And, and anyway, went from there. Um, but it's just, you know, just keep asking and keep seeking and keep knocking and opening that door.'cause he's just right there. He's just right there. Yeah. I think often we fear what's on the other side of the door. Like we know that God is good and loving, but somehow it's ingrained into our brain that, um, you know, we're gonna feel shame or guilt or we're gonna have to acknowledge like he's gonna reflect back all of the things that we've done. And that's painful to look at. Like we don't wanna see it. And so it's easier to just avoid the door. Absolutely. Yeah. But if we ask, like I, there's something, it was in one of my readings for, um, the Ignatian exercises and it talks about like, God doesn't let us fully see our sin until we know that he loves us. And so it's like, he's gonna love you first when you're ready. He will help you work through that sin and through that healing in the past. But he's gonna let you know that he loves you first. That is gonna be his first reaction when you come back to him. Whether it's been five minutes or it's been 15 years, like he is going to be weeping tears of joy because he is so excited to see you and he loves you. And it's, it's that one out of, you know, leave the 99 and go after the one. He's, he is waiting. Yeah. And overjoyed and the other stuff will come and sure, it might be hard, but yeah, he's gonna let you know that he loves you first. Did you know that? Um, so it's interesting you're talking about that. And the first thing that came to my mind is grief.'cause I was listening to, um, I, I actually, another transition thing, while it it, you know, costs a little bit of money is the Hallow app. I actually use that every single day. And again, it's another thing I'm on my phone all the time, why don't I use the right app? Yeah. You know, there's, there's so many different versions, you know, apps out there. This one happens to work for me in the moment. And, you know, it has reminders in there. But one of the things that I love in it is it has, um, these, um, minute homilies from Father Mike Schmitz. And so the one that, uh, I listened to today was, um, about this is the way or the way, um, not this is the way, it was just called The Way, and it was. I'm gonna boil it down to what I heard from it, and essentially that, um, we all have grief. Like whatever the pain is, there's grief is, you know, there's grief a part of it. Like I'm transitioning from, well, I am, I'm a, a working professional, working woman. I am a mother of, you know, one to however many I'm a wife, I'm a daughter of, of God, all of these things. But some, like, I'm in pain. There's some pain that's happening because I'm being pulled in so many different ways that pain we're feeling. It's grief. And he was talking about, um, like that it was, uh, John 14, five through 14. And where Jesus says, or Thomas says, well, Jesus, I don't know. We don't know where you're going. How will we know the way? And he and Jesus says, I'm the way, I'm the truth. I'm, you know, the life. And so how many times have we heard that Bible verse, you know, in church and, and whatever. And it wasn't until today that it was just like, oh, you know, that Mandalorian, this is the way, you know, like all these little connectors Yeah, the dots. And then he was talking about these grief moments and that just when you're in that grief, just remember that you're there for a reason. It's gonna be painful. And grief doesn't mean it, it's not always just associated with a death. Um, it may be a death of something like, you know, a a I'm no longer just a working woman. Now I am a working woman with this other things, you know, other things. And so I'm, uh, there may be a death of that component of my life and just letting him shine a light on the path and letting him, like you said, lead you through it. You're not alone. Yeah. It's so interesting you said the way, and my mind immediately went to St. Jose, Maria Riva, um, and he, his quote is on, actually on my business card, and he talks about if you can't find God in the simple everyday moments, then you'll never be able to find him. And, you know, how do we find him? Like we go to him because he is the way and the mourning over what was lost or, um, what we think could have been or should have been. I actually was just reading, you know, on my Facebook scroll of, of these women who are pregnant and they're struggling with it because they had this idea that they were gonna get married and they were gonna have two years with their spouse before they ever had a baby. And now they're mourning all of these, all of this time where they have all these ideas of what was gonna happen. And it's like, well, okay, but what if this is the way that you're being called to, like, if we can just focus on God in the present Yeah. And not look back. Like, I mean, when, when he called the apostles to follow him, like they left what they had behind. You can't look back. If you look back, you're gonna get sucked into despair. Yeah. Like, don't look back at what was, don't look back and compare. Like God is right here right now. Right. And he's moving you forward. Yeah. So back to, sorry, this just came to me. You were asking about like transitions of mm-hmm. Of like how to add prayer into transitions and one of the things that I do is actually have it stacking. So, um, if you're familiar with that and, and so one of the things that I actually, I love, absolutely love doing is exercising and praying the rosary. It makes me crave both of them. So bundling those, you know, stacking what is a habit that I already have. I know every single day I need to make dinner for my family. So during that time that I'm making dinner for my family, I know I have at least a moment of peace. Maybe not lots, depending on how act, how many children you have and how active they are and such. But I have to make that dinner. And so during that time of chopping vegetables, mm-hmm. Let me just say something, you know, thank you. Or you know, say a rope prayer or whatever, whatever works for you. But do those habits stacking things. You're already folding the laundry, you're already doing this, you're already doing that. Turn on the hallow, turn on, you know, um, a YouTube turn on your podcast. All of these things that are just bringing. Closer to you and, and you inviting him into your day Yeah. Of things that you're already doing. Mm-hmm. It helps just orient your mind and your heart toward God. And also, you know, you talked about the rosary while you're exercising, um, rosary walk there is a priest. Mm-hmm. And he, I see him out doing his rosary walk all the time. And just the witness of seeing him with his rosary is like motivation. We don't know how people are gonna respond to our own, own actions. So when we can be a witness of the faith, we might not ever see it. But I just had something to my own life. I had, I had signed up for a certain adoration hour. It was one that had not been covered for a very long time and I kind of did it as like a fill a need type of thing. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And really prayed about it for months because I didn't feel like I could take on one more thing. I didn't want it to be a distraction. And then I. I filled it and I actually had a priest come to me and say, Hey, by seeing you filling this as a mom, who I know doesn't have a lot of time, I took on another hour or two. And so I thought that was so beautiful. Like that was not my intention. My intention was to just, you know, spend time with God. I didn't want Jesus to be alone. I didn't want there to be an hour where he was alone. So I was like, okay, I'm gonna go like, um, and so we don't know how people are gonna respond to our actions, to us praying the rosary while we're exercising, whether they, you know, maybe they don't see you doing it, but maybe you have, you know, your bracelet or something that you're counting on or, um, I'm always counting on my fingers. A lot of people do. So if anyone ever looks closely at me, they will often see my fingers. I know people can't see me, but going like this, I'm, no one's ever mentioned it to me. But if they look closely, like. I might be in an amusement park with my kids and they'll see my fingers going because it's, I would've thought you were a musician because I, I, having been a musician on a, you know Yeah. I play the cello, so I I thought you were a musician. Yeah. But now I know. Now you know, that's me counting, so I don't lose track. Oh my gosh. This is wonderful. I am so grateful. We're having you here. You have, um, the Charlotte Eucharistic Congress coming up. Yes. I'm so excited about that. Yes. Oh. So, um, on September 8th and ninth, um, my friend Leanne and I are going to be at the Charlotte Eucharistic Congress in, um, Charlotte, North Carolina. And this is gonna, this is the second time that I'm there, and it is the most, if you've not been, and you are in the area, you need to go, number one. It is beautiful. Anytime that you can witness the procession of. Jesus, the Eucharist coming into and, and, and people coming behind it and just in mass of, I, I posted it on a story I think yesterday. Um, somebody had, had, had videoed it last year and posted it, and so just, it, it just is overwhelming the feeling that you get as that procession is happening and just all of the believers that are coming into to just worship together in this space. But anyway, so I'll be there. I'll have all of our, our rosaries there. I'm offering 15% off, um, to those people who are listening and will be there present. Um, all you have to do is just let me know. And then those of you who are listening and can't get there, um, you also will get 15% off on those two days, September 8th and ninth. And when you go to knots of grace.com, all you have to do is type in Kylie 15. And so you just, you have those two days. Go find your things, um, and find the things that are going to speak to you on a daily basis that are going to shine the light on the path that you need to be walking down. That's so generous of you, and I know I'm gonna be buying my kids teachers their Christmas gifts early. Yes, yes. I'm gonna be That's awesome. Yeah. We're, we're coming into, um, holiday season. This is, this is actually my favorite time of the year. I love being with, um, with people, getting that instant feedback of what is wor, what they love and what they, you know, need in their lives. Um, so if you are out on Instagram at Knots of Grace, um, and you see something, but you would love to see something else, you let me know. I make primarily single decade rosaries on purpose. On purpose. I am, I do make full rosaries here and there and, um, I, I make a beautiful table rosary out of sea glass, um, that you'll see on the website as well. But I make single decade because I want them with you. I want them where you are. I want them to be super accessible. And not that a, a full rosary isn't, but I was, look, I've, I've always been looking at it through the lens of the corporate life. Mm-hmm. Of how can I have it with me no matter where I am, even if I'm not allowed to have it. Yeah. I love that. Um, so you mentioned your Instagram account. I will link all of your, your website and all that stuff in the show notes. So if anyone is looking to get in contact, uh, with you, that will all be there. It was such a blessing to have you, I feel like I could keep talking for another hour. I know I kept looking at the clock. I might have to have you back again, maybe closer to, uh, a holiday season or something like that. So I would love it. Oh my goodness. This has been such a great time. Thank you so much for letting me be here and share what I can. And, um, and oh my gosh. I like, I, like I said, I was looking at the clock and I'm like, I need to start talking. I need to start talking. This is, Like we said, holy Spirit led. If this is what he you felt like needed to be said, it needed to be said, so I'm sure it's going to bless. Bless our listeners. So thank you. I hope so. Well, thank you so much. I appreciate it. God bless. Again, thank you all so much for being here. Police support Kathleen and knots of grace. It's an incredible company. 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