American Retirement Association Brian Graff routinely argues that no one grows up wanting to be a D.C. Pension Geek—it just sorta happens.

But Barb Marder actually DID want to be a D.C. Pension Geek at a relatively young age.

The president and CEO of the Employee Benefit Research Institute (EBRI) joins Graff for a fascinating discussion about EBRI's mission, its role in the Washington policy debate, and why the current retirement system is constantly attacked.