Episode 3 Huntress in the Night - Sandy Rose

When Sandy Rose, the ever-fabulous owner/manager and cherished "Mom" of The Huntress, starts dishing on Orange County's iconic bar from the 80s and 90s, honey, you'd best pull up a chair and tune in. Welcome to part one of our two-part podcast journey.

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00;00;00;00 - 00;00;38;09
Marie
Oh, welcome to Dike Dive. Last call. I'm Dr. Marie Cartier, your host on this weekly journey through the vibrant history and culture of lesbian bars and the LGBTQ plus community. Let's dive in. Hi, this is Marie Cartier, and I am here with Deep Dive, doing another deep dive into deep dives. And I am so happy today that I have Sandy Rose with me, who I recently met.

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Marie
Sandy, thank you so much for being on the show.

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Sandy
My pleasure.

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Marie
Sandy opened and managed and I think owned the bar The Huntress. You can correct me if I'm wrong on that.

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Sandy
Oh, well, today I came into the bar through it was already established and I got into it with my partner, Connie. She and her lover opened it originally, and then her lover passed from cancer. And shortly after that, I. Now, Connie, was not into the bar scene at all. She went on to Hallmark Shop. So that. Yeah. So she asked me to take over managing it, and I managed it and ran it for 13 years.

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Marie
Wow. What were those years?

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Sandy
Sandy It was the bar opened in 1983 and closed in 97. And I was on the scene from 1986 until 97.

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Marie
Oh, wow. Okay. And this is The Huntress. And what was the address of the Huntress? Where were you located?

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Sandy
It was. Wow. I still remember it. I can't believe it. 81, 22, Bolsa Avenue, Midwest City.

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Marie
So you were behind that orange curtain?

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Sandy
Yes, very much so.

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Marie
And so what people what some of our listeners may not know that behind the Orange curtain is a term that expresses how a lot of people see Orange County, which tends to be very conservative. And now we're talking about California. Before you managed The Huntress, which was a very well-known bar in Orange County, very well-known lesbian bar. And I talk to people from my book debut or my religion, who had gone to that bar.

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Marie
What was your foray into lesbian bars? I'm assuming the first lesbian bar you walked into was not the Huntress.

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Sandy
No, it was not the arm. Wow. There used to be a bar called the Canada Club.

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Marie
Oh, yeah, I've heard about that in Topanga.

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Sandy
Yes. Yeah. And that the way they were set up. Because back in those days, you know, it was really, really bad. And whenever the bass was coming because it was up in the canyon, they had lookouts so they could tell whenever the vice squad was coming on the scene and they had the jukebox would change the music and the light lighting would change and everybody would have to switch.

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Sandy
So same sex people were not dancing together when the bass mark did.

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Marie
What would the jukebox change to? What would be the song it changed to?

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Sandy
Oh, I don't remember. It just. If you could tell, it would change. It wasn't any particular song.

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Marie
It would just abruptly change.

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Sandy
Yeah. And the lights? Something. What happened with the light?

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Marie
Wow.

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Sandy
Change partners or sit down if you couldn't find a partner.

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Marie
So that was a mixed club. What years around was that when you were going to that bar?

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Sandy
That was 1964 and 65. Yeah. Yeah. And like that. And also back then, you could get arrested if you did not have or with three articles of women's clothing. Mm hmm. Could get arrested and thrown in jail.

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Marie
Did you know people that that happened to Sandy.

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Sandy
Or not personally? No, but I heard lots of stories about it. And those would be it would be panties, bras and basically women's pants. Women's were not even allowed to wear flight front pants at zipper. Had to be on the side or in the back. No flight threat.

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Marie
Or else it was called masquerading. Correct.

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Sandy
Right.

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Marie
Yeah. Did you go to lesbian bars because the Candy Club was MC, right?

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Sandy
Yes, I did. I went to the core group. I went to those. The Latvian was a great when, in fact, I'm still friends from the love. And we get the reunion of friends Forever Reunion once a year in Las Vegas.

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Marie
Oh, my God, I love that. Where was the love in.

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Sandy
It was in the valley, in the San Fernando Valley. I lived there for 15 years before I came to Orange County or well before I came to Long Beach. The BART in Detroit. Cal.

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Marie
Did you go to the Star Room?

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Sandy
Oh, yes. Yes.

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Marie
Joanie presents.

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Sandy
A lot. That's where I met my first love. Yeah. Yeah, I got kicked out of the star room because I was. I was going there under age, and I got busted.

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Marie
Oh, wow. That was a really famous.

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Sandy
Or two years.

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Marie
That was a really famous bar. Did you happen to know Barbara KALISH, who work, who is a bartender there?

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Sandy
No, I did not. I remember Joe. Mm hmm. And there was a gal named Rusty that worked on the door. We called the door, like, and. Yeah, yeah. And then I ran into Rusty. She was part of the hot interests, you know, Talk about full circle, because I was only 19 when I was going in the star Room, and then I.

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Sandy
And I broke up with Courtney at the Huntress, and she got. I love her. She put my name on the business. So I was half art owner of it. And there's Rusty working the door.

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Marie
Oh, I love that.

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Sandy
And we had a group of women that Rusty was in the show. We called They called themselves the Foreplay Revue.

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Marie
Uh huh.

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Sandy
And they put on shows there was a woman. This is kind of a long story, and.

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Marie
Well, that's what we're here for. We're here for the story.

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Sandy
Okay, well, this is how it started. A woman in the community passed, and she was along. They found her in her apartment. Two or three days later, and her mother lived out of state. She was from out of state. And there was no money to to fly the body back home. So everybody scrambled around to car washes, you know, garage sale, stuff like that to raise money.

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Sandy
And then my partner said, why don't we start putting on lipstick shows like the guys do? And oh, so the 12 of them got together and they called themselves the Foreplay Revue, and they got so good and raised so much money that nobody wanted to be responsible for that. So they became a nonprofit organization.

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Marie
Wow.

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Sandy
And they help so many people in the community, men and women. That was in the eighties, 86, which when I came on. And that was, you know, with AIDS was peaking. And then we paid for song and, you know, it was so spare. But they they did great. They put on shows that were really, really, really and stay with us to do along with you know because of the years it just happened.

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Marie
Did you go to the bars downtown like the f Club and the open door now?

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Sandy
Yeah, those were scary. That was a rough year already. Yeah. Yeah. How do you. You don't even look old enough to know about those bars.

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Marie
I well, they're part of my research. I interviewed a lot of people who went to all those bars. Oh, that was my book that I did. I interviewed a hundred people, and I said the gay bars were an alternate church space for people prior to 1975.

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Sandy
That's true.

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Marie
Yeah. People either say, yep, or they don't get it.

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Sandy
Yeah, that's the only place we could socialize and meet people.

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Marie
It was like it had to serve so many functions.

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Sandy
Yeah, it does.

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Marie
So for you, when you first started going to those bars, if you could complete the sentence, what the gay bar meant to me.

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Sandy
Meeting people, having fun, feeling free.

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Sandy
Just everything and everything.

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Marie
You loved it. Even though back then in the sixties, you were aware that the cops might come in. Or maybe they did come in. Were you ever there when the vise came, or did they?

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Sandy
No.

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Marie
No. So you were able to open up?

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Sandy
Is never exposed to any kind of hassling or anything. We did have one of our really good stories, but brother was at a bar in Long Beach and she got beat up really bad by a couple of times. Mm hmm.

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Marie
So you were aware it could happen?

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Sandy
Yes. But, you know, I was young. Couldn't happen to me. You know, You were invincible. Happens to other people a lot to me.

00;10;42;23 - 00;10;58;14
Marie
Right. Right. Until it happens to you. Yeah. And so. So moving from that very beginning time, you started going to the gay and lesbian bars in the sixties.

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Sandy
Or whatever.

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Marie
And you kept going, and then you managed. And one of the most successful bars, I think, in Orange County, The Huntress. So you were someone who can say, like, my career was in gay bars.

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Sandy
Yeah. It wasn't bad. It was.

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Marie
So let's talk about the Huntress, and then we'll come back, maybe to those those times of the sixties. So in The Huntress, what was Let's tell let's have our listeners like, imagine it's the late eighties. The huntress is open. It's a Saturday night. What is what is it like inside?

00;11;47;26 - 00;12;24;21
Sandy
Oh, my goodness. There's there's the dance floor and the disco ball and the hot deejay, you know, places. Pat. Everybody's dancing. They're shooting kamikazes and they're playing a shooting pool. We had Saturday that Saturday night. The other nights we had we had dart tournaments, hall tournament softball, women's softball teams. We had two softball teams going, and we had the best name, two gals.

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Sandy
One gal was dating someone that was younger than her, and she's this one girl. The young one said, Women over 30 should not play ball. So then the tower was on, right? So it was all the over under games. We called the and we had our best bartender Judds. She was said to trip and she made up this cheer for us because we were part of the old 30.

00;12;48;25 - 00;13;15;18
Sandy
It goes Geritol and Maalox and Miss Clairol two. We may be old broads, but we're beating you back. Yes, it was. It was so much fun. And then we did the toys for the kids for Christmas. So we did Christmas shows and we had we had Santa Claus and the Elves. And we gave our president our Christmas party, New Year's Eve.

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Sandy
I loved the New Year's. The and Super Bowl. We had chili cook off for a Super Bowl, everybody. And you could come in your pajamas. And we had blowup mattresses on the dance floor. And it was just like a big family. It was just so much fun. And everybody got so close and stayed so we're still close.

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Marie
That's so amazing. So what were some of the songs that you remember being like where everybody would just hit the dance floor?

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Sandy
Oh, my God. Oh, let me play Bring piano, Man. We everybody would scream for Piano Man.

00;14;03;29 - 00;14;42;06
Sandy
What was that one? Meatloaf did about the ball? Oh, my goodness. Help me. Oh, this is my life. I need my girls here. Oh, I know. My Connie would always. She told our deejay that she would get fire if she did that last song of the night was Not Last Dance Right at War Rifle. Yeah. And wow, 25 years of my life is still trying to get up that great big hill of hope for a destination.

00;14;42;06 - 00;15;06;16
Sandy
What song is that? When we were at war and I don't know why I'm nervous when we were at your club or at Pacific Coast Highway, the Executive suite. Right. The first time I went to the executive suite for the flashback, all of that music was what we played at the hundreds, right?

00;15;06;16 - 00;15;22;06
Marie
And we had Cher one by one. We had Shannon on the show Let's Dance. And that's they're trying to create nights like they had at The Huntress. They're trying to create that again.

00;15;22;09 - 00;15;31;20
Sandy
All those songs, my friends that were with me, it was that Oh wow, I remember that song. Oh, yeah, We used to do to that all the time. Yeah, it was great.

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Marie
Wow. Now, when you were, what was your job at the hundred? I mean, I know you managed it. Were you were you behind the bar? Were you at the door? Were you just, you know, a role.

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Sandy
Not a bartender? I did. I did all the ordering and the invoicing, you know, we received SEABROOK receivable and payable and and just ran the place, took care of those shifts. So who is going to work? What shift? I would be the first one there in the morning to clean up, the last one to read at night. And then basically just ran it.

00;16;11;29 - 00;16;15;28
Marie
And you like mingle, walk, talk, talk. Yes.

00;16;16;01 - 00;16;51;03
Sandy
Yes. That's love to dads and that's all that long with the customers and my honey and socialize and meet and everybody. We never had any trouble in that part. But but I had a hard time because some days we would reserve see where people would want to reserve seats. And that's where Ginger came in. Very helpful because I would forget who was fighting with who and I would put the wrong people together at the tables.

00;16;51;05 - 00;16;53;18
Sandy
It's all gone. Don't get mad.

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Marie
And who was Ginger?

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Sandy
Ginger was a bartender. She was one of the main bartenders and she had bartending experience. So when when my partner Connie and her lot were first opened, the by the way, for women that bought the bar, and then Connie and Buddy bought the other two out. Well, Ginger had our experience. She used to work at the happy hour.

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Marie
Oh, yeah?

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Sandy
Yeah. So she was instrumental in telling them what to order, how much to order, how you know, how many bottles of this, how many cases the about and the how to set it all up and everything. But I would have been running a wing. But I was fortunate that Connie put my name on the business too because.

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Marie
Oh yeah.

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Sandy
I got.

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Marie
There is one of the things that happens with Gay Bar since it's the only place is this. I know I talked to a woman who was at a bar in Chicago, the Lost and Found and the bartender there had married people because, of course, gay marriage was not legal till 2015. Did you have ceremonies like, you know, if everything happens in the gay bar, every thing happens in the gay bar.

00;18;15;24 - 00;18;18;06
Marie
Can you talk a little bit about that, Sandy?

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Sandy
Yes, we had two or three different ceremonies there. And the one that I remember the most was it was really beautiful. We had two guys and, you know, the guys pitching decorate like nobody should decorate. They completely transformed oh, excuse me, transformed that bar into it looked like a wonderland. They put material beautiful, white silk material over all the walls, covered all with mirrors, everything had flowers everywhere was just gorgeous.

00;18;58;01 - 00;19;08;12
Sandy
But yeah, we did. We married a few people there and. And they had some divorce celebrations. There are two.

00;19;08;15 - 00;19;11;29
Marie
Who did the marriage ceremony.

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Sandy
On knits. Her name was Lynne, and she. But yeah, she did it.

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Marie
Was she any kind of minister or anything or did she just so, like, empowered by the community to do it?

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Sandy
Empowered by the community, Yeah.

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Marie
And did those people stay together until the divorce celebration.

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Sandy
That's one of the that they themselves were crazy for. They had been together for 20 years before they had the ceremony.

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Marie
Oh, wow.

00;19;48;19 - 00;19;54;03
Sandy
And then after they had the ceremony, two years later, they were no more.

00;19;54;05 - 00;19;55;03
Marie
Oh, my God.

00;19;55;04 - 00;19;58;15
Sandy
All their advice to people was no marriage.

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Marie
Oh, wow.

00;20;00;07 - 00;20;01;00
Sandy
Yeah.

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Marie
Now, this was the you were operating it really the height of the AIDS crisis. Did you have memorials that in the bar?

00;20;09;25 - 00;20;20;17
Sandy
Yes. Many, many. Yeah. He was sad, lost a lot of people.

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Marie
And did you feel like the bar then operated on So many levels for doing so many things, right? The space that you created?

00;20;31;05 - 00;21;09;03
Sandy
Yeah, it was it was a comfort to a lot of people. And we had one you know, we had one where you had to fill out an application and we said this one guy home to Vancouver, Washington, or the medical play so that he could die at home with his family. Yeah, that that was very, very touching. All Yeah.

00;21;09;06 - 00;21;34;28
Sandy
We only got burned once because we gave this woman money. She came in with the hardship story, filled out the application, they read the money, and then someone spotted her at another bar. Then they took from that less that they would the organization would, they would pay your rent there would make the car payment, they would make the utility.

00;21;35;01 - 00;21;40;23
Sandy
It would not give you cash. It would help you out in other ways.

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Marie
Oh, wow. That's a more The Huntress was a bar, but also kind of a nonprofit yet.

00;21;48;22 - 00;21;49;19
Sandy
Well.

00;21;49;21 - 00;21;55;27
Marie
Wow, I didn't know that. So when did it close?

00;21;55;29 - 00;21;58;02
Sandy
1997.

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Marie
And why?

00;22;00;17 - 00;22;03;29
Sandy
We leased the property and the owner died.

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Marie
Mm.

00;22;05;12 - 00;22;26;08
Sandy
And then the property got sold to the car business That was right next door to us. Uh, we found another location. And Cyprus, and I did it. It lasted two years. I think we opened there in 99 and sold it in 2001. Yeah.

00;22;26;10 - 00;22;29;03
Marie
And it didn't come to another gay bar.

00;22;29;06 - 00;22;55;13
Sandy
No, it's now a parking lot. They sell cars there. Yeah. Now places long. And I cried for years every time I would see a a young's market alcohol delivery I know what it was was hard you know, 15 years. It was hard.

00;22;55;15 - 00;23;01;05
Marie
What are you. I. God, it's like the song, you know, They made it a parking lot.

00;23;01;07 - 00;23;06;19
Sandy
Exactly. Took paradise and turned it into a parking lot.

00;23;06;22 - 00;23;09;10
Marie
What do you miss most about it, Sandy?

00;23;09;12 - 00;23;18;03
Sandy
The people, the people and the music. And just the fun time.

00;23;18;06 - 00;23;29;16
Marie
So that was 97. And then you ran on for two more years in Cyprus. So that was 99. So did you ever think I'll open another one or.

00;23;29;23 - 00;23;50;09
Sandy
Like in Jonas? No, By then we were older, we were ready to retire and we knew we kind of knew it was getting close to time when we kept telling the deejay to turn the music down.

00;23;50;12 - 00;24;17;22
Marie
But you go, Did you in the last 25 years then have you been going to lesbian bars? I mean, there hasn't no, just starting to actually be some again since in the last ten I finished the research for my book in 2010. And by the time the book was published in 2014, there was like 15 lesbian bars. I've heard that now there's like 23.

00;24;17;24 - 00;24;20;02
Marie
Did you go since then or.

00;24;20;05 - 00;24;26;10
Sandy
Nope. The executive suites the first time I've been out in a bar since we closed ours.

00;24;26;12 - 00;24;27;24
Marie
Oh, wow.

00;24;27;27 - 00;24;29;07
Sandy
Yeah.

00;24;29;10 - 00;24;30;26
Marie
Was that because of greed?

00;24;30;26 - 00;24;51;27
Sandy
Were we? Well, we had a license where you did not have to serve food now. Right. That means that you sweet must have one of those other old ones too. That's grandfathered in. Yeah. And most of them, if you go in today, you, you have it 50% of your income has to be from food sales also.

00;24;51;29 - 00;24;57;15
Marie
Oh, wow. That's why probably why the new one in silver, like the ruby fruit, serves.

00;24;57;15 - 00;24;58;25
Sandy
Food from.

00;24;59;02 - 00;25;03;21
Marie
One that just opened. Yeah, yeah.

00;25;03;21 - 00;25;08;27
Sandy
But it's where all senses where you do not have to serve food are gold.

00;25;08;29 - 00;25;25;24
Marie
Yeah. Wow. I didn't know that. But so let's let's talk about all that time and the huntress did of people. So some people got married there. Did people hook hook up there all the time and stay together?

00;25;25;27 - 00;25;55;11
Sandy
Yeah, well, you know, I'm staying together with the argent that if I could always tell when I was like, summer was coming, everybody would get new journeys. And as like, hallelujah, they're coming out as women, you know, they, they ness, they, they meet somebody and they don't come to the bars that much once involved with someone. So now summer's coming.

00;25;55;14 - 00;26;05;28
Sandy
This sounds really cool, but now everybody's breaking up a lot. CHEERING Come on.

00;26;06;01 - 00;26;16;08
Marie
So, you know, when I talk to people about bars in the fifties and sixties, a lot of people had sex in the bathroom. Do people have sex in the bathroom at the Huntress?

00;26;16;11 - 00;26;28;08
Sandy
Not that I know, although I know my partner. I had lots of fun after closed. Oh, when you.

00;26;28;10 - 00;26;30;22
Marie
Have out in the parking lot?

00;26;30;24 - 00;26;54;16
Sandy
Probably. But not that I know of. Not that I know of. Well, now, we were an older crowd, too. You know, they. They used to call us menopause metal because most of the women in their were late thirties, early forties. That was that type of crowd.

00;26;54;18 - 00;26;55;28
Marie
That's early for menopause.

00;26;56;03 - 00;27;07;22
Sandy
Oh I see. I think was a down a little bit by bit and I remember hearing the first time menopause man I know. My God. Yeah.

00;27;07;25 - 00;27;19;00
Marie
So what did so what was the kinds of things that would happen with women in the bars? Was there bar fights or. No.

00;27;19;03 - 00;27;22;04
Sandy
All in one bar fight.

00;27;22;06 - 00;27;24;15
Marie
Wow, That's good. In 13 years.

00;27;24;17 - 00;27;56;21
Sandy
Yes. Well, everybody really respected my partner and I and I was very blessed with that. I mean, we were older than them and they called me mom. They called her mommy and they respected us and they behave themselves with there was one and we had the rule. If there was a fight, no matter who was involved, both parties were 86 or 30 days.

00;27;56;24 - 00;28;21;22
Sandy
You know, you're grounded. All right. So there was this one woman that was really obnoxious and she was mouthing off to one of our good customers, and our good customer punched her in the mouth. Oh, All right. So Colony instead of 86 in both of them, she got the mouthy one out and bought the other one to drink.

00;28;21;25 - 00;28;24;17
Marie
Oh, no.

00;28;24;19 - 00;28;30;27
Sandy
That's how bad that would. What? So they're that rule book.

00;28;30;29 - 00;28;41;16
Marie
So we were talking a little bit just in our check in before we went on the air about police harassment.

00;28;41;18 - 00;29;06;15
Sandy
Yes. We were very, very fortunate with the sheriffs. They were very good to us. And I think that was because of Bunny and Connie. When they first opened the bar, the cops would come around and they always offered them coffee and they always were respectful to them and everything. And they treated us. This is how well they treated us.

00;29;06;19 - 00;29;30;00
Sandy
We're so fortunate. We had a bartender that got which wasn't working, but she got very drunk in the bar and she's going home and she was weaving. And the police, they sheriffs pulled her over that she was obviously drunk. They brought her back to the bar and told us, call her partner, come and pick her up.

00;29;30;02 - 00;29;31;11
Marie
Wow.

00;29;31;14 - 00;29;39;15
Sandy
Yeah. Yeah. We were very fortunate. The mayor came in. We we just were really, really lucky.

00;29;39;17 - 00;30;06;19
Marie
We have a lot more stuff we could talk about. Okay. So thank you so much, Sandy, for joining us. This is going to be part one of Sandy Rose from the hunters. And we're going to bring Sandy back for part two. Cheers, everybody. Thanks for tuning in. Deck dive. Don't forget to join us next week as we explore more hidden histories of queer spaces.

00;30;06;22 - 00;30;36;28
Marie
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