Healing Through Vibration with Bodhi Calagna

In this soulful episode, Wil Fisher is joined by Bodhi Calagna, a psychedelic guide, hypnotherapist, sound alchemist, and musical artist based in Boulder, Colorado. Known for their ecstatic tribal beats as CALAGNA and ceremonial soundscapes as bodē, Bodhi shares how they’ve woven music, plant medicine, and spiritual presence into a powerful practice of healing and transformation.

Together, Wil and Bodhi explore Bodhi’s origin story of becoming a music-making medicine person and the powerful role sound plays in ceremony- both as a soothing force and a disruptive catalyst for healing. They dive into the transformative potential of cannabis ceremonies and psychedelic-assisted therapy, and reflect on the sacred queering of Spirit. Bodhi shares how plant medicine supported their gender transition, and the two reminisce about their raver roots, seeing dance floors as portals and reclaiming queer nightlife as a site of ecstatic, embodied healing.

This episode is rich with heart, humor, wisdom, and deep spiritual insight. Whether you’re curious about sound healing, queer identity, or plant medicine work, you’ll find something resonant here.

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Transcript

Wil Fisher  0:02  
All right, welcome to queerly beloved buddy. So happy to have you.

Bodhi  0:06  
So happy to be here. Thank you so much your invitation. I loved your intro. Oh yeah, thanks. You had me at your intro.

Wil Fisher  0:14  
I appreciate that. Yeah, it was so fun. You know, just before hitting the record button, buddy and I discovered common queer friends, and just became real present to the intimacy and, you know, the small queer world that we live in, which is really warmed my heart.

Bodhi  0:33  
Yeah, yeah. Kudos to summer. Yeah.

Wil Fisher  0:37  
Summer Alex, yeah. Just love when I start to see that it's not such a huge world of queerness that we are all connected, especially in the queer spiritual spaces. Yeah, awesome. So yes, my first question in these podcasts is this creative one, which is, who are you in this moment? But tell me by describing a drag avatar that embodies that. And it doesn't have to be like a big, flaming drag queen. It can be an animal or a tree or something, but an avatar that describes who you are. In this moment,

Bodhi  1:15  
I can say that I've been really sitting with otorongo and the Jaguar Madison. That's been really big this whole year for me. Yeah. So I don't know how we could clear that up and make that into a fierce name, but Jaguar,

Wil Fisher  1:29  
it's already a fierce names. Could you say it again? Otorongo, yeah,

Bodhi  1:34  
the way they say it in Peru, yeah. And I just love the Jaguar spirit. I love, I love that it's a cat that swims. Wow, I never knew that amazing. You know, it loves the water. I love that it's spotted. I have a really sweet one right here. If you could see, it's pink, yeah, and black spots. It's very queer. She's giving fierce otro Rongo vibes. Yes,

Wil Fisher  2:06  
love that. Yeah, there's something, I feel like. There's something queer, just about a cat that loves the water and loves to swim, right? We usually associate like cats are freaked out by water, but they go into that, that like, that dichotomy, right? That's beautiful, yeah, and I see that black blanket behind you, that black furry blanket looks very Panther ish too. Yeah, beautiful. Yeah. We're calling in the Jaguar. I love that. Thank you. And I'll share my drag avatar in this moment, hmm, well, I'm actually staring at a beautiful hydrangea, and it's left over from a baby sprinkle that I threw a couple days ago. And there's something like really kind of fluffy about its flowers, and there's a similar fluffiness in this, this little sweater I'm wearing today. And so, yeah, I'm going to go with a, I'm a I'm a hydrangea, and I'm holding softness in, in my space right now. I'm holding softness in, in the face of some challenges that have come into my field, and just giving love to those challenges, giving love to some pieces that feel like disruptors, and doing my best to just soften into it instead of resisting and getting upset or angry or trying to push it away, just like softening into it. So, yeah, I'm a soft hydrangea today.

Bodhi  3:51  
Yeah, and what you're wearing is serving reptilian too. I'm into it also give me snake vibes a bit the way it looks.

Wil Fisher  3:56  
Oh yeah, yeah, thanks, yeah. I see that now, sweet. We'll bring in, we'll bring in that soft hydrangea. Snake, too. Awesome. So, yeah, I was really excited to see your work. I remember coming across you on Facebook and just being really my interest was really peaked, and I started getting curious about your music making and how that intersects with your medicine ceremony facilitating, and your story is just a really rich one. And so I'd love for you to share. Let's start by sharing a little bit about your origin story, like how you came to be this music making medicine person that you are.

Bodhi  4:46  
Yeah, thank you. I mean, so I can go back to remember my first love was sound. You know, then I did a really powerful breath work session once, and I went back to the crib, and I was playing with tone, and it was like this first moment of, remember. Remembering how much I loved sound and my whole life, you know, everything was sound and music, and I just followed it. And as much as my parents would allow and push me, you know, to play as loud as I could. And, yeah, I started making mix tapes in like middle school, you know, those kinds of things, and I became a club DJ in queer spaces. In 92 I started playing in raves and then in queer spaces, and I've been DJ since then, playing all over the world. And eventually, there just came a moment when I was trying to really merge my spiritual practice and music. Had birthed this alias, you know, years and years ago, called omtronica. And it never really hit though it was like, wasn't maybe the time, you know, looking back on it, I realized that it really wasn't for me then, because I hadn't transitioned yet, or what was happening for me post transition, and I guess about I started serving medicine about seven years ago. I've been a coach and a hypnotherapist for over 10 years, and I knew that medicine was the thing that was really helping me in my own personal path, so I just wanted to start offering that for my clients as well. And it just felt like a natural progression the more that I was in ceremony, I wanted to make music and soundscapes that would go with that, and ayahuasca was a big piece of that for me, because she's somewhat of a lover. For me, I don't have the grandmother experience like most people do. I'm open to that one day, but she's very much a lover. And one of the ways that I like to adore and worship my lovers is through music. And I started creating music for her. Really, a lot of it, wow, and yeah, and it's just really shifted of like, How can I really serve in this space and shift the music and bring this to my clients as well? So I get to create ecstatic dance music for the dance floor, for integration and ceremony music. So it's really, it's, it's such a merging of my worlds now as I'm leaving the clubs, going into more intentional sacred spaces with my music, it just feels in such alignment.

Wil Fisher  7:18  
How beautiful. Yeah, I love that. And I just want to touch on this idea of Ayahuasca being a lover for you to go a little deeper into that, I do think that there's something really special about holding these plant allies in relationships that are aligned with what is coming up, coming through in those relationships, you know, not forcing like, oh, but it's grandmother energy. It needs to be this way. Or no, it's this masculine. Everyone talks about this father energy. It's like, it is what it is. It's like each relationship, the plant Ally has is different with different people? Yeah, I'm just curious. Could you share a little more about how you came to understand it as as lover,

Bodhi  8:08  
really? She really shifted for me, ceremony after ceremony, you know? And in the beginning it was like this dance where we were flirting and I did not like her. I was like, I'm not into this. I'm not into it at all. And my teacher, Ash, you know, you know, he was very like, give it, you know, give it. Second ceremony, you know, just be with it. It slowly took time, you know, for me to cultivate a closeness with her. And I would say, there just became a moment I would maybe sixth or seventh retreat where it finally hit, where the relationship shifted with her in that space. And I think it's more of it is where we are and what we're, what our subconscious, what we're working through. You know, I just never had experienced this grandmother experience that people talk about. I was like that that doesn't feel true for me. It feels like love affair and and feels she feels like a muse, and more of that creative fire, sexual and sexual, you know. And those were the things that I needed to work through, you know. And I always just say, you know, I'm open to it. She could shift in one my next ceremony, she could be, you know, it is whatever she's going to be. But for now, how I am in service to her and and feel devoted to her in a way does feel like a lovership.

Wil Fisher  9:34  
Yeah, I love that. That's beautiful. Yeah, she shows up the way that we need her to, not necessarily the way we want her to, or the way we're expecting her to, but the way that we need her to. Is my experience, and I also want to acknowledge the possibility of being in relationship with spirit in a similar way where, you know, I feel like we. Uh, society has been indoctrinated to think about like, Father God, right? That that's like the heteronormative patriarchy of like this father in the sky, you know, and and so many people, I think, as a result, probably, hopefully, maybe not queer people, but people in general, are praying. And there's a little bit of an energy of like this is this dad, you know, who's like, going to grant me my requests and keep me protected, right, and to recognize that it doesn't need to be that way, and that we can experiment with this relationship, especially so in my perspective, spirit is all that is and so as a result, they can be father, but they can also be grandmother, they can be lover, they can be non binary sibling, they can be any of these relationships. And so once that clicked in for me, I've started to experiment. Sometimes when I am connecting, communicating, praying, I will use these different relational statuses to connect to that energetic aspect of spirit. So I've used, I've used, like, lover, lover, God, you know, yeah,

Bodhi  11:15  
yeah. I mean, you think of like Rumi and his poetry and how such romantic it is, you know what? Yeah, great Beloved. It's just Yeah, it's one great love.

Wil Fisher  11:27  
It's one great love. And it's like, which part of that love are we needing and wanting to connect to in this moment, which part of that love is drawing us in and helping us feel connected and feel at one with spirit. Yeah, that's beautiful. Yeah, thanks for bringing that, bringing that through. So yeah, I already understand that music is such an important piece of your facilitation, and I imagine that you are perhaps playing live, or maybe you're using some of your pre recorded music. I'd love for you to share just a little more about the nuts and bolts of your facilitation approach to medicine journeys.

Bodhi  12:06  
Yeah, it's, it's a combination of both recorded and live. I play the hand pan, different percussion, different sound healing instruments. So it's just a matter of feeling into the moment, feeling into the energy of the space. I also, you know, like, kind of curate on the fly depending on what's happening in the space and what's going on in the room that that's always really delicious, like seeing where somebody is and hearing the download of knowing what song will provoke, you know, and create some emotion, or some release or something, I like to push the edges a bit, you know, with the drums or with drumming, and really try to get people to have an emotive and an evocative experience. And times when I feel that's needed, other times it can be really calm and quiet. So it just, it really depends, you know, and that that's the beauty of of being like a sound Alchemist, if you wil. It's just trusting the energy of the space and knowing what tones and frequencies can be of service in the moment.

Wil Fisher  13:11  
Mm, yeah. I love that, that expression sound Alchemist. And I also appreciate you mentioning pushing the boundaries here and there, that it's not just about creating the most comfortable space that sometimes what's needed is a disruptive energy that can come through and a disruptive sound. And it actually brings me back to a medicine ceremony when everything was just, like, so calm, and then, like, just, it felt like nothing was really happening. It was fine, it was beautiful. But then this one guy who has a little bit of a coyote energy, he picked up his dig, and he just started like, wow, like going into it. And then, like, one by one, people were purging, and it just became this like swamp of like, dig and purge. And it was like, you know, the part of me is like, Man, why did he disrupt the piece? Everything was fine, and now everyone's puking, but it's like, because that's the work. That's like, the medicine moving through us in a good way.

Bodhi  14:13  
Yeah, I really love the sound of ceremony, and particularly groups, you know, when it does build to the peak and they're, you know, the purge train starts, giggle train starts and like caves that go through it, or, you know, the power of one person next to you, being, you know, really going through grief and crying with every cell of their being, and the person on the other side of you laughing hysterically. It's like the beauty of the sound of ceremony and the human experience and of witnessing the sound of emotion, orchestra of itself, you know? And I just, I just love that

Wil Fisher  14:52  
that's beautiful. Yeah, thank you for bringing that through. So one of the things I saw in your bio is that you've actually, I. Uh, trained in in psychedelic assisted therapy. And I don't know anybody who's done that, so I'm curious what that was like. Anything you want to share about doing something more formal? You know, most people I know who are in this kind of work, it's just kind of happened organically. Maybe they've trained under another medicine person. But yeah,

Bodhi  15:19  
yeah. So I went through medicinal mindfulness program, which is here in Boulder, and they've been doing plant medicine work with cannabis legally for over 10, maybe even 20 years now. I think Daniel started it a while ago. I can't remember exactly, but yeah, and part of me, I wanted to have some sort of formal training as well, you know, I, like it said before, you know, I'm a hypnotherapist, and I've been a coach, and I've been working with medicines on my own and with other people and other teachers. But I just wanted formal work as well, especially because Colorado is is rolling all of this out, you know? Yeah, I really enjoyed them. You know, I looked at a lot of different places. Daniel was the founder. He was on a series called psychedelic on Gaia. Oh, cool. And I remember watching that, and every time he would speak, I could just feel like, that's my teacher. That's my teacher. Now, when you get that yes, someone 1,000% and then I was just like, well, let me find out where this person is. And I couldn't believe they were here in Boulder. I was like, they are nice. And so I, you know, enrolled pretty quickly, and did a bunch of cannabis training with them as they were continuing to roll this out, knowing psilocybin was coming through. And I've been training, which is mostly what I work with. Yeah, and it just felt really good to have medicine people. They've been in this space for a really long time, but they were also psychologists, and trained at Naropa, and it just felt like a really good middle ground programming. You know, could you get the somatic help, the therapeutic side of things, and then also what goes what goes on in medicine? You know, when, when things go good and when things go awry?

Wil Fisher  17:10  
Yeah. And I can imagine there's a lot of use and value in talking about it in this kind of more formal setting. But was there actual work with the medicines? Is that something that is possible?

Bodhi  17:20  
Yeah. So we did the first few years, before psilocybin was coming through, we did a lot of work with cannabis, and cannabis can be really potent and powerful when it's used in higher doses in a ceremonial container. So we worked

Wil Fisher  17:35  
that way, edible or smoking or both.

Bodhi  17:39  
Actually, we would do smoking ceremonies. And both some people we would start with, they would have an edible 45 minutes before the session, and then smoke as well, depending on and they're like three hour journeys. And then halfway through, we bring them out and and they smoke again, really potent. It healed my relationship with cannabis, because I had a very paranoid, you know, quote, unquote relationship with her. It was really powerful and healing for me. Yeah, and then, and then now they've rolled out their psilocybin program, and they do a DMT X program as well, and we did psilocybin retreat and training with them as well. So

Wil Fisher  18:24  
yeah, beautiful, and the cannabis ceremony is that's sort of a new idea for me. I'm just curious, what value Did you see, what kind of experience did you see people receiving in that? Or did you experience in that?

Bodhi  18:38  
Yeah, both. So I felt that using cannabis in between bigger medicines was really helpful for integration, sure. Um, it was also a gentler way in before somebody was used to, like a traditional psychedelic, you know, to just kind of get used to, what does this feel like, to have a little bit of visuals, my mind racing going through these experiences in this and in a with a medicine that's just a little bit more agile, you know, we can work it a little bit more. And I found, for me, I have had really big psychedelic experiences with it, and mostly because I've worked with other medicines so I can go into that space, and it's just been powerful to work with. In between, I have found with people, and sometimes just people aren't really ready. They're just not ready for a bigger experience. You know, I've done kind of micro dosing hypnotherapy sessions with cannabis, with folks, and I can work with people all over the world with cannabis, which over zoom, you know, so during COVID, it was like really helpful to just have someone create their own nest. And I can be there, I can play music, we can do the dosing, and I can just do a two hour sound cannabis ceremony with them, for them, basically, right? Over, you know, which has been great.

Wil Fisher  20:03  
Other medicines, yeah, no, that makes sense. Really,

Bodhi  20:06  
really beautiful. Ally, too

Wil Fisher  20:10  
nice. Yeah, I've certainly had the experience after working with bigger medicine to, like, literally take one hit of cannabis and suddenly I'm like, back, you know, skyrocketed into the ethers. And, yeah, so that's something I've needed to be very cautious and careful.

Bodhi  20:31  
Amazing, how that does that, you know? Yeah, other medicines happened with me, with five Meo as well. It's like things have shifted to feel a lot more five like since those, since that experience. So,

Wil Fisher  20:44  
yeah, it's almost like we have entered into these spaces, and so now we have more access to them, you know. And it's so, it's, it's like, there's not as many locks on the door or something, you know? It's like we're able to just go there. Yeah, that's cool. So going back to the music, what is it that you think is about music and sound that has the potential for healing and transformation? Yeah,

Bodhi  21:16  
wow. There's so much magic in it. You know, when you think of, you know, just sound in general, you know. And take it in terms of songs, right? Like, when you think of your favorite song, if you know you're having a bad day and you put on a certain thing, everything shifts for you in that melody or that chorus or that hook, or whatever it is, it just has such potential to shift everything. And the same thing can go the opposite. You know, if you're feeling really sad and you want to feel even more sad, you know what to put on? You know the dissonance? And I think in medicine spaces, it's like we're so much more opened to sound. You know, all of our senses are just so online, and we hear things differently. We feel the music. You know, Synthesia is, is a thing, you know, we're able to see the music.

Wil Fisher  22:07  
Oh, that's called Synthesia. I've never heard of that,

Bodhi  22:11  
yeah. And, and me, that's like, my favorite thing. I love, like seeing the music, you know, and all of the different spirals and kaleidoscopes that come with it fabulous. And I think just tones and frequencies make a huge difference. You know, like, think about when a siren goes by, like you're immediately a little like jarring, right? Versus, like a cool stream or a Brook, a babbling brook, where you feel relaxed. You know, it's just sound is so much magic and to just resonate with. With our bodies. You know, we're water, so much water. I don't know if you've ever seen you know, when you play a big tuning fork over water, how much the vibration changes, but that's what's going on in our bodies,

Wil Fisher  22:55  
being able

Bodhi  22:58  
to just have those tools. It's everything in medicine, spaces, you know, it can be jarring in a good way, and evocative. And, yeah, I love, I'm kind of a trickster facilitator a lot. I love that I like to, like, you know, what can I how can I shift this? How can I get a little agitation out of them, a little bit to provoke, you know, and play with sounds that can kind of be a little annoying for a bit, just to get a rise, you know, yes, it's important, you know,

Wil Fisher  23:35  
yes, yeah, to move that energy in good ways. Yeah. I love thinking about Yeah, us as this as the water with the tuning fork, because we essentially we are a vibration, and so then we become meshed with this sound vibration that then shifts our vibration. Have you seen the movie sinners, by any chance?

Bodhi  23:56  
Oh my gosh, the montage of that was the most incredible montage I have seen in a movie. And I don't even know how

Wil Fisher  24:04  
long same it was, so epic, epic.

Bodhi  24:07  
I was like, I want to just watch that montage over and over again. Yeah? And I am not like, a scary kind of movie, but I loved this one. I loved it.

Wil Fisher  24:19  
I did too, yeah? And I just love this idea of sound opening portals, you know, you know, in this case, it was like kind of a scary portal, but it makes sense. And I, you know, I, I also appreciate that you've got this background in the queer clubs, because I can think back before I ever started working with medicines in a ceremonial way. I can think back to times when I was a young Raver, you know, similarly in the mid 90s, I was kind of in that scene right around then as well, like 96 and these moments where I felt like I was not on this planet, like I was in some other realm, some other space. And then it's. Certainly in medicine space where music has taken me into what feels like different dimensions. So it I loved that That movie was playing with this idea of sound and music creating portals to, like, move into other worlds.

Bodhi  25:15  
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm so grateful for clubs days and my raver days, you know, an ecstasy, my first MDMA experience, like I wouldn't be here with all of that, without all of that, you know, those dimensions were very real to me, and then those spaces, of those clubs were just that's was our church, that's what we had, that's where we gathered, you know,

Wil Fisher  25:36  
yeah, yeah. Really, for me, was this level of freedom and this invitation into self expression that I had never explored on that level, that level of embodiment. And I became, like, a little bit of, like a little club kid, you know, I started, like, really playing with the fashion and and it was before I ever experimented with drag. And so that was kind of my foray into any kind of drag expression was, was my club kid days, you know, I was rocking the big jenkos, the big jankos, yeah, the hugest jankos I could find, and then the tiniest mini plastic backpacks I could find,

Bodhi  26:21  
Vicks, inhalers, all those. Those were the days.

Wil Fisher  26:24  
Oh, my God, all the toys, all the toys I just, I loved it, yeah? Those were the days. And I feel like it's kind of back too. I mean, there's

Bodhi  26:32  
it totally, is it? You know, in a lot of ways it is, yeah, yeah, minus the phones,

Wil Fisher  26:37  
yes, yeah, I know, yeah. We were. We did have a good clear period without that, yeah, for sure. So one of the things I'm aware of is you've got these musical identities. This, this collagena, am I saying it right? And then, and then, Bode. Bode, yeah. And I'm curious what those names represent to you anything you want to share about the names. I think names are, you know, as we were talking about radical fairies, like fairies like the claim and name and unhold the energy. The name holds a certain energy for them, and often it comes with a story, perhaps that is associated with this energy that it holds. So anything you want to share on either or both of those names.

Bodhi  27:21  
Yeah. So calgna is my last name. We are Sicilian, so if we were there, we pronounced kalania, but Lagna here in the good old US,

Wil Fisher  27:32  
yeah, okay, got it, yeah.

Bodhi  27:35  
And I've always loved my last name, and I it's an artist name, it always kind of looked cool, and it was just a way of owning that nice, um, and I think, you know too, like, I remember coming up as in a DJ, like, we didn't have, like, a whole lot of big DJ names. I remember I did in the beginning. I was actually known as Pop Tart, believe it or not, because I was break dancer.

Wil Fisher  28:00  
Work. I love it.

Bodhi  28:03  
And I remember I won a DJ competition, and they, one of the marketing people was like, you have so much potential drop the name, you know, okay. And I was like, oh, okay, all right. So I just started using my real name, cool. And then when I transitioned, Bodhi was the name that I always resonated with. It came to me in a meditation, wow. When I was really dropped in of like, okay, what is a I went to a future self, What is another name I'd like to be called? And Bodhi was what I heard, wow. And it was slowly how I started to kind of socially transition. Was using Bodhi. And I spell it B, do, B, O, D, H, I, but in for my artist name, I wanted to spell it a little different. And the two, you know, are different. You know, the Bodhi is more of the Sarah, ceremonial, cinematic ambient in electronic spaces. And Cologne is is more dance music, you know. And now they're really starting to merge, because I do a lot of work with liquid bloom and

Wil Fisher  29:06  
nice love liquid Rangi and the pirangi too.

Bodhi  29:10  
Nice. I get to do remixes for the same song with both aliases, which is really fun, beautiful, ecstatic dance mix, and then mixes for ceremony. So it's just feels really good to be able to express myself in different different avenues. But yet, still, it really is medicine coming through just either for the dance floor or for ceremony.

Wil Fisher  29:32  
Oh, I love that so much. Yeah, ecstatic dance is a huge, huge passion for me, and definitely, like one of my favorite medicines, and my my intro is mixed by Scott Nice. Do you know Scott Nice? Yeah,

Bodhi  29:46  
I don't know him personally, but I played ecstatic dance here last night at rhythm sanctuary, and I played one of his tracks. Yeah, I really, really love his stuff. Yeah, that's awesome.

Wil Fisher  29:55  
Yeah, he's awesome. I was super grateful that he created that for me. So, yeah, you were mentioning transitioning and doing that, that future visioning. I love, I love hearing that. I'm curious if you could share a little more about the intersection of your transition and your your healing and medicine work, how they might have supported one another, or any kinds of moments that these things came together in a good way for you?

Bodhi  30:30  
Yeah, I not sure I would have ever had the courage to transition without medicine. I know I wouldn't have that and the partner that I was with at the time. It felt like, you know, I kind of always say, like, looking back on it, I was trans before I was gay, you know. And just then you come out as gay, and you feel like, oh, that's what it was. And you kind of keep pushing it and pushing it and pushing it. And finally, it was just getting louder and louder and louder of me not feeling comfortable and in my gender, not knowing like this is just not who I am. And my partner at the time, was super supportive. You know, first person ever asked me about my pronouns and like it allowed me to play in the space as a they and be seen as that, as a lover, and all of between that and just doing my own journeys and my own therapy, lots of hypnotherapy, lots of different types of somatic work, it was finally just kind of the mushrooms that eventually were like, Dude, what are you doing? And I just remember it clear as day, and a really big ceremony, where they were just like, bro, enough already. What are you doing? And when I came out, shortly after that, finally, I was just like, that's it. You know, 2020. Was the year that I transitioned, amazing, locked down, I went and had surgery and I was gonna do this.

Wil Fisher  32:03  
Wow, congratulations, yes. So just now, when you're talking about the mushrooms, calling you bro and dude, you mentioned I was more like a lover, I'm curious what the relational dynamic of mushrooms is for you. They're super non

Bodhi  32:17  
binary for me. And, like, really, um, they're these beautiful, like fairies, mushrooms, they feel like, you know, like the non binary medicine. They really do, you know, if there was to be a non binary medicine, mushrooms feel like it, you know, they're mischievous. They have different ways that they have, you know, like sexes, you know, if you wil, they're just queer. Mushrooms are so queer, you know, and like, look at them. Look how fierce they are in drag and all of their ways. And they're just so colorful. And just, yeah, I don't know. So my relationship with them, they're just like these magical elves and fairies and teachers and just such allies. You know, they I every time I journey with them that it's they show up differently. Of course, there's still always this element of playfulness and mischievousness, which I really like, and they're the most emotional I find for me, for me personally, and particularly with my clients as well. Like the amount of release that I see with people with them is it's, it's very different than ayahuasca, you know? But they're, they can get to the saddies. They can find that or and they can also get to the joyous, you know, I just, they're just magical shape shifters in that way. And, yeah,

Wil Fisher  33:53  
I love that. Yeah. I certainly resonate with that, the mischievousness that the Fae vibes, the Yeah, the fairy elf fives, that's That's awesome. So I'm curious, are you mostly working with queer folks in those spaces? And, yeah, do you have any thoughts on queer folks and medicine work? And you know why perhaps more queer folks could be exploring it? Or any thoughts on queer queerness and medicine

Bodhi  34:21  
work, yeah, so I work with predominantly LGBTQ, plus, yeah, a lot of gay men that that was has been pretty much my clientele for years. You know, left from being a DJ in that world and playing in big circuit parties to them clients and working with them one on one. So a lot of gay men nice becoming more queer. Now I'm starting to work with women as well, which is it's been really an evolution over these seven years, but I find mostly with queer folks in my community, it's been beautiful to see, because the. So, you know, we have such a relationship with the medicines recreationally, you know, we're Club Kids, or we're festival kids or ravers, and so to offer a different type of experience, to use these medicines in a more sacred way, yeah, has been really beautiful to kind of facilitate for folks, and there's a lot of healing that we need as queer folks. You know, obviously there's, I work with people with a lot of religious trauma, identity as well can be a big thing. Obviously me being a trans facilitator. But, yeah, it's just there's a genuine desire for healing for me to help my own community. Obviously, I think in these spaces, it's really sweet to offer a different way to be altered in a space in a way that can be really sacred and have ritual and a safe container, and allow for space of really big growth and healing. And I think for me, one of the things that I just love about being non binary, and where I feel like my medicine as a non binary guide is is I really can hold the spaces for I can be mom, I can be dad. I can be the sister and my shape shifter Ness, in terms of energy, of gender, gets to really support what's happening in the room. And there's a safety with that for people you know that are queer, that can come and if they feel like they need me to put on, they feel like they're really called to the mama bear right there, then I can be that, you know, or if I need to be the otorongo and be the Jaguar King, you know, whatever it is, it's like feeling into what's being needed in the space.

Wil Fisher  36:53  
Yeah, yeah, beautiful that you're working with what you consider non binary medicine, and then using those energies within as well to the advantage of the client's well being. That's beautiful. And so when you're facilitating, I imagine you part of the work is the the sound creation, but I'm hearing in what you're just describing, stepping into these roles. Is there some, perhaps, like drama therapy or some, some Yeah, some more talk,

Bodhi  37:29  
yeah? Some, sometimes, right. Every experience is different, and it depends on what, what the moment needs. There has been moments when, yeah, role play is a big, a big piece, you know, someone really needs to express something to their mom that they never had to, you know. And then it's just kind of like embodying that for them, you know, yeah, and just also being really mindful, not putting words into it so many of our words, because that's not my place. I don't know what their mother said, you know, but it is more of an energetic way of just kind of receiving and then that can, that can just look like a lot of different ways. So I'm having to hold a lot of projections from people, obviously, you know. And it's just knowing how to meet that and not taking it on, and also how to play with it as well, you know, and just knowing how to reflect and how to ask more questions that can get them to go deeper. And it just really depends, you know, that only happens occasionally. Most people are pretty deep in their experience, but some people aren't ready for the really, really deep, deep experience. So they want more of, like a psychedelic analytic session, you know, smaller amount of medicine so that they can just titrate more and just kind of talk, sure, and that's where, you know, cannabis can be really great for that kind of experience, yeah. You know, other medicines as well, obviously, MDA, MDMA, talkative entheogens, Kana, those things can be great for those kinds of sessions, but it just kind of have to meet the moment. You know, we're pretty quiet,

Wil Fisher  39:10  
yeah, yeah. I appreciate that hearing that, and it does occur to me, as you're sharing it, that, yeah, that project projections are potentially really powerful medicine, to actually lean into them in a good way, you know, without allowing yourself to be that person, but to be the energy that that person's needing. And in that space where the neural pathways are more open and there's an opportunity for them to have an experience that is going to create a new memory in that relationship, essentially, is that, am I kind of getting how it works?

Bodhi  39:46  
Absolutely, yeah. And it's a lot, it's a lot what we do with hypnotherapy, it's bringing people back to those moments and allowing them to reprogram them. And this can be done in medicine space too, you know? And kind of like parts work as well, right? It's like. Been reconnecting with, with parts that you might have forgotten about or pushed away, or other things, you know, I've had people have to really kind of meet their perpetrators, you know, meet their abusers, and to just kind of hold that space. It's sober experiences in Hypno you know, or in medicine, but it's both your your in trance states, you know, you're in, you're deep in the subconscious, and just knowing how to be that, you know, and and push it to the edge for the healing.

Wil Fisher  40:34  
Yeah, beautiful. And is Hypno part of the integration process for you? Or what are integration processes like for you and your clients?

Bodhi  40:42  
Yeah, sometimes it's it's both. Sometimes it can be preparation for someone who, who we don't feel like, is really ready yet. We do a few hypnotherapy sessions first, and then sometimes after, it can be a great tool to just drop someone back into the space that they can kind of maybe recall nice what was going on, you know, and and integration processes look different each time as well. Sometimes it's more of a coaching conversation. Sometimes it's more altered state conversation. Sometimes we bring another medicine into it, maybe cannabis. So it's just everything is is really about meeting the moment whatever is needed. I have lots of tools in my toolbox, and just intuitively feel what's what's best,

Wil Fisher  41:29  
beautiful. Yeah, you clearly have a lot of tools, and any client that works with you is very lucky. I've got to say, based on this conversation, it's really beautiful. Yeah, well, thank you so much for all these insights and all this wisdom you've shared. Is there anything else you would like to leave the listeners with today?

Bodhi  41:49  
Yeah, I would just say, you know, we're living in a time that's, you know, can be difficult right now and and with everything that's going on in our country and our administration, and for us as queer folks, and particularly trans folks. And you know, just my invitation is to just be as strong as you possibly can get the help that you need. If you need help, build community, be with people that understand you and love you and see you. Yeah, and, and if you feel called to work together, please reach out. I'm not hard to find. Or if you feel called to this work in general, there's lots of resources out there, and I always like to remind people that that I don't believe in bad trips. But if you're having a difficult time, fireside project is a great place to go. A free resource call 24 hours. You know, if you're having a difficult trip,

Wil Fisher  42:45  
awesome. I'll put the info for you and for the fireside in my show notes. Well, thank you so much. It's been a total pleasure connecting with you today. Yeah, thank you. Bye.