Aligning Your Soul Calling and Your Business with Beth Weinstein

In this episode of Queerly Beloved, Wil is joined by Beth Weinstein, a Spiritual Business Coach & Soul Liberation Guide, three-time entrepreneur, certified Master Transformational NLP practitioner, and a leading voice in soul-led business and psychedelic-assisted transformation. Beth has guided hundreds of visionary leaders, changemakers, and psychedelic pioneers to step into their purpose, grow aligned businesses, and serve from a place of deep spiritual integrity.

Together, Wil and Beth trace her journey from overworked fashion-industry “modern day slavery” to a life led by ceremony, intuition, and service. They explore soul callings, chanting and chakra work, equinox rituals, and what it really takes — practically and spiritually — to move from a safe-but-soul-crushing career into a business that feels like your true path.

In this episode, we explore:

• Burning Man, ceremony, and drag as sacred liminal spaces for radical self-expression and liberation
• Equinox ceremonies, the Wheel of the Year, and using seasonal shifts as portals for intention, release, and renewal
• Time scarcity vs. spaciousness: shifting from “I don’t have time” to “What am I truly prioritizing?”
• A breakdown in the back of a tuk-tuk, a mysterious illness, and the soul-level question: “Do you want to live or do you want to die?”
• Practical ways to move from a misaligned job into your calling: planting seeds, staying grounded, getting support, and letting the universe “meet you halfway”
• What it really means to build a soul-led business — listening to intuition, following synchronicities, and balancing action with surrender
• Words as spells: speaking your desires out loud, declaring your path, and letting opportunities and allies show up
• Imagining your purpose if money didn’t exist or the current system collapsed — and orienting your work around service, community, and what your soul is here to give

Connect with Beth
Website: https://bethaweinstein.com/

Medicine For These Times podcast: https://bethaweinstein.com/podcast/

Psychedelics, Sacred Medicines, Soul’s Purpose & Business summits: https://bethaweinstein.com/psychedelicsummit/

Connect with Wil
Website & coaching: https://www.wil-fullyliving.com/

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Transcript

Wil Fisher  
All right. Beth, welcome to queerly Beloved.

Beth  
Thank you for having me. Wil so good to be here. So

Wil Fisher  
good to have you. And it's especially fun because I was just on your podcast. Was that last week

Beth  
that we did, like, two weeks ago week? Yeah, I don't know it's all blur, but it was

Wil Fisher  
like shortly ago. And so it's fun to, you know, reverse the table, reverse roles at the table. And yeah, I can't wait to drop in and get to hear more about your story. And I had so much fun on your podcast sharing more about mine. And yeah, there's so many things I can't wait to drop in with you about. But before we get into all that, I'll ask you the question I ask all my interview subjects, which is to tell me maybe take a moment, breathe in and get connected to this moment, but to tell me who you are in this moment at this time, but tell me by describing a drag avatar who embodies that.

Beth  
Love it. I love it. Yeah, I had when, when you said that, I had a vision come to me. So who I am in this moment feels very like kind of an Egyptian goddess emerging from the sand with water all around her and rising up from the earth into this this big, like kind of oversized giant goddess who is come to do good work. She's a benevolent goddess, but she's also pretty fierce, and she doesn't take any Bs, and she's kind of just cuts to the chase. There's a big staff in her hand that's like, a golden staff that's like, kind of like claiming her stake on Earth, you know, like claiming her place. And she has a really big heart, and she's able to hold a lot in both her life and the the collective, like the on the the earth. And she doesn't take everything too seriously either. She laughs her butt off, kind of like, sometimes it seems a little like, Oh, is she up to no good? But she's always up to good. But it's kind of like laughing at the large cosmic joke at play. I will say it's, it's Tuesday when we're recording this. And I, I came off of a weekend of ceremonial work during the equinox Eclipse. And, yeah, yeah, that was a lot of, like, the kind of energy around also, like, very bird, like, birds are flying around her, there's, there's a lot of this, like, kind of air, but, like, fiery air, energy so, but it's funny now that you mention it for many years, when I went to Burning Man, you know, it's, it's kind of an opportunity for everyone to essentially, like dress and drag right? They don't that language, but it's the most radical self expression. And for many years, I was just always called to dress up, like, in these, like, African mixed prints and, like, really, like, thick blue eyeliner that was, like, made my eyes look really bright and beautiful. Lots of, like, jewelry and like, this is, this is in the days where people didn't used to just buy their outfits and wherever people buy them. Now, I don't even understand that we used to, like, put together outfit things we found. And like, you know, I lived in New York City, and there were, like, fabric stores, and, like, you could just get the coolest stuff. And, um, you know, I would just, like, slap together all these prints that didn't match, but they're all, like, bold, like, African and Indian and and, like, I because I never braided my hair, even though I probably should have. But I would do turbans just to hold my hair in from all the dust. And I would just, like, radiate this, this kind of similar goddess. And I remember being so, like, liberated and so powerful. And people would constantly, I mean, it's burning man where everybody looks amazing, but people like, Oh, my God, you look amazing. I'm like, Yeah, I know. So it's funny that you mentioned like an avatar, like a drag avatar. I'm like, Oh, wow. I've been dressing in drag avatars for many years, just not what I would call drag, right?

Wil Fisher  
Sure. Yeah, beautiful. This desert Goddess. I love her so much. I love her presence. And, yeah, it's interesting. Jamie, my boyfriend and I were just at a ceremony of a fall equinox ceremony this past weekend, and it had this desert vibe. He was like, Oh, this is, like, Burning Man, but California style. And it was, it was, yeah, it was done, like, and. This, like dirt lot in this canyon, and it had this very, like Arab kind of vibe, you know, I was, I was wearing a shawl over my face a lot of the time, and everyone was asked to wear, like, black or and with highlights of red and gold. So we just, like created this vibe, you know? And, yeah, there is something so powerful. And I think we chatted a little bit about this on your podcast too, about utilizing adornment, clothing, to adorn ourselves, to step into these different energies, to embody these different aspects of self. And so I love that you re you just shared the drag avatar that you're tapping into, and then recalled that you've done that with drag in the past, that you've actually expressed that part of you utilizing drag in a sacred space, like Burning Man or that magical liminal space. Cool. I do want to hear.

Beth  
Yeah, you know what else I will add. One more thing that just came through too, which I'm like, what came first? The Burning Man, or the vision back in 2019 when I started doing, like a deeper chanting practice. By the way, there's a rooster crowing in the background. I hope

Wil Fisher  
it's not, I don't hear it, but I love that.

Beth  
But yeah, I started, like, deepening into a chanting practice daily. It was like daily, 40 days each chakra. And by the time I hit my solar plexus chakra, I started seeing a vision of, you know, showing me this, like, woman, Lion, mix goddess. And I didn't know who it was, until finally, I was like, you know, maybe I should like Google the image I'm seeing because and it was coming through totally sober. And I'm telling you, it was, it was segment, this Egyptian goddess segment, who's part lion, part part woman, and she's kind of like the Kali of Egypt, kind of is how I would explain it. And it was really interesting how much my life had changed ever since I had that vision. You know? It was just like something moved inside me, like she came through me out of the blue. It just, I don't know, it was like life took off in a different direction. I always like, how do you explain that stuff? It's like this Goddess comes in out of the blue. I don't even know who she is, and she's like, I'm here, you know,

Wil Fisher  
hanging out, ready to support you, ready to help move through this space and time. I love that. It's funny. I feel like we connected about that chanting practice when we were in Costa Rica, and you borrowed my Shruti box and you kind of brought it back in.

Beth  
Yeah, you have beautiful, I know you have such a beautiful chants and voice and thank you, yeah. And it's, it's been, I've been doing it pretty much non stop for at least six, seven years. And the

Wil Fisher  
chanting practice you're, yeah, doing, and you use the you use a Shruti, and you do it in accordance with the chakras, sort of awakening the chakras, or what's your practice?

Beth  
Yeah, yeah. My friend Marin is off who has a business she calls vocal transformation. She taught me this starting back in like, 2016 I think, like, we've been friends for a long, a long time, and her business has blown up around this. But, yeah, it was, it was going through each of the chakras. I don't really do them in any order. Now I kind of go by like, what am I feeling today? Like, today I did the heart chakra. Sometimes, if I'm feeling actually blocked, I'll work on the throat. Sometimes it's, you know, sometimes it's an actual just other mantra. But, yeah, it's really helped me a lot. I do give this to clients as well. I just feel like, you know, it's like, we need to address everything from Mind, body, spirit, everything, you know, we can't leave out the energetics of what's stored in the body, and this just it helps move so much energy, and also, of course, calm the mind. But it's been really good, I think, for my constitution, you know, I maybe some other people, it doesn't call to them, and I it's definitely helped open my voice as well, which is, course, you know, of course, a nice added bonus. It's still not my voice is still not where I would love it to be, but it's a whole world of difference.

Wil Fisher  
I love that. Yeah, I work with my treaty box and cacao most mornings, but I'm usually just singing. And it's a different medicine, right? It's, it's more about tapping into my creativity and flow, and I have been feeling cold lately to do more regular chakra work, so I think I'm going to start playing with that chanting. So thanks for that invitation. Yeah, check out our work. It's really cool. That's awesome. And yeah, okay, to finish the ritual, I always share my drag avatar too, which I feel like as you were sharing yours. I wanted to be a part of that story, and so my drag avatar is a golden entity. They're more of a masculine entity, which is different for me. Maybe it's because I just finished a strength training class. So I'm like feeling this like more masculine energy, but yeah, so they. Are a golden masculine entity, but they are also playful. So as the goddess this, this desert goddess, is sort of holding the space with her golden, golden staff, this entity is like moving around, almost like, is it massaman, the sort of geek God, sort of like bouncing, like playful and like Hanuman. Hanuman, that's it, yeah, like holding this masculine strength, but but combining it with fluidity and flow and play, I've been very much in to this energy of play and how to bring more of that into my life, into the lives of others. So yeah, I'm the playful Hanuman, but in a gold masculine deity form.

Beth  
And it's it's funny, because I've been trying to learn the Hanuman Chalisa, just long and complicated, but it's so beautiful and even over just a few days ago this weekend, I was talking to my friend who actually knows knows it very well, and we were practicing, and she was teaching me some words. And yeah, Hanuman is in the house.

Wil Fisher  
Hanuman in the house. I love that. And so you said that you were just in ceremony for this fall equinox as well. Do you want to share a little bit about that, or what it means to you to be working with the equinoxes too.

Beth  
Yeah, you know, it's, I'm just, first of all, I'm so eternally grateful for this interconnected community that we're both interconnected to. You know, it was just, it was so sweet. I was only actually supposed to be there for part of it. I was helping, and was like, Nah, I have other things to do. There's always other things, you know, but, and then it was just so beautiful. And it's, it's really nice to be so intentional around the Wheel of the Year, you know, like, really, especially, you know, I grew up in the Bay Area in California, and California's Wheel of the Year where I lived was, like, warm and then kind of cool,

Wil Fisher  
yeah, same, yeah, exactly.

Beth  
I remember, like there was not so much of that sense of the turning. But where I live now, in upstate New York, it is, it's, it's just so prevalent. And, you know, at first when I moved to the East Coast, it was actually, it was very jarring for me, and sometimes it can still be challenging. Where it's like, oh my god, it's dark, it's cold, like, what do I do? It's but, you know, the more intentional you are with it, the more you really get to be in the transformation and work with the energies of the turning of the year. Like and you you feel it in this community that we live in here in the Hudson Valley, you can really feel it where the winter, you know, there's more, there's more the dinner parties or smaller groups. A lot of people leave town, of course, you know, they're just like, forget it. I'm out going to Mexico, you know. And it's like, I have a fire, you know, wood burning stove. And so you really work with the elements of the turning of the year, and but then, you know, come summer, there's just so much more. Like, it's like people come out of the woodwork because there's community, and so being in the ceremony to really and then on top of it, our friend, who's an astrologer, gave a little talk. And it was a South Node Eclipse, you know, releasing a lot of the past. And, you know, we built a fire and did a little prayer work around it. And it was like, I think in our today's day and age, there's just so many people busy, including me, you know, go, go, go and on to the next thing. It's like to take some downtime to really be intentional about like, Okay, I am entering into a new season of my life as, you know, it's like everything as above so below. It's like my own life is taking on a new season where I live is a new season the world. You know. What does this mean? Like, what do I want to how do I want to work with these energies, you know? And really just being intentional about it and and taking that time to be present with, like, even noticing this morning when I was at the gym and doing my hard workout, I came back to my car and there was a leaf that had fallen, you know, already, and it's like, okay, the leaves are falling. Here we go. And to just really notice it and be present with how wonderful and beautiful it is, and to just also be reminded of the preciousness of life, you know, like, wow, life. Here we are, like someone, one of my former clients, wrote me today saying, I can't believe we're at the autumn equinox. It's like it didn't feel like it was just January 1 last week, you know. So to really be present with that, and I think it's also a way to not feel so imprisoned by time. I think here in the Western world, I think so many people feel this, like there's not enough time my life, you know, like the scarcity of time. And it's like I actually, even though I'm very busy, I don't feel that as much as I used to many years ago. I feel actually very like, free around it like, and I think it's because of working very intentionally with time, yes, like choosing to slow it down a little. And I feel like it's made life like more has a more depth to it, versus just plowing through. You know,

Wil Fisher  
I think that makes perfect sense. It brings more spaciousness to it. When we give awareness to these moments where, you know, the wheels turning, and to look at it to say, like, Oh, now we're starting to move into this next phase, instead of it being like Groundhog Day. I mean, for me in San Diego, it's especially dangerously Groundhog Day ish, because it's similar weather every day of the year. And so, you know, I lived in upstate for a while when I was running that retreat center, and I got to experience the beauty of each of those seasons coming and going and really feeling it in the way I was relating to the land. And now I don't have that nearly as much. And so for me, it's even more pivotal to be honoring and revering these equinoxes, to remind myself, my heart, my spirit, my soul, that now we are starting to enter into something different, that it's not just the same day, it's not just the same thing, repeating and repeating that time is moving. It's almost like, by paying attention to time moving, we create more spaciousness, you know, instead of it just happening without us having an awareness around it.

Beth  
Yeah, yeah. And I think I actually feel like that is kind of one of the poisons of our society, you know, it's like, there's just, there is this, like, non stop movement, and this, go, go, go, and the scarcity of time. And then, you know, even, like, I had a very big awakening around this about, like, two years ago, year and a half, two years ago, dealing with my elderly mom and having to make some big decisions, and to hear my brother and I both say we didn't have time to go deal with it and go visit. And I was like, Oh, my God, this is our mom. This is our only elder, you know, parent left. And both of us were so caught up in like, I have to work well, I have to work well, I don't have time. I can't fly out there that day. And it was like, what have we come to? You know, whether you are close to your mom or not, you know, it's still like your mother. And I just stopped and was like, Wait a second. I can't believe that I am putting I mean, and, yeah, my work is super important to me, and it does take up a lot of time, and I love it, and I'm so grateful it does. But it was like making a decision to be really conscious of, you know, especially witnessing someone at the towards the end of their life, and then, you know, it's like my end then of life for me with her, and I'm like, wait a second, do I want to spend the last few years of her life being Too busy to visit her? Wow, that. It just really said a lot about our, the world that we live in today, you know, back however many years ago, I mean, or and, or in other cultures that we know, it's like, it's not like that, you know, it's like, there's people spend time with their family a lot, you know. And it was just, wow.

Wil Fisher  
That's absolutely, yeah, that's one of those things where I start questioning our direction as a society when I see how people are spending most of the most people are spending most of their time doing something that they don't even really enjoy that much. And it's like back in the day, when we were living in tribes, we were probably spending some time working and maybe not enjoying it, but mostly we were spending time singing and communing and connecting and so, yeah, it's interesting how society has taken us in that direction. And you know, one of the things that I try to use as a practice and invite others into is not saying that expression I don't have the time. You know, that idea of like, I'd love to, but I don't have the time is actually a lie. Like the truth is, I'd love to, but that's not important to me enough to prioritize it, right? And so if you can say it like that, then you recognize that you have choice, you're empowered to have choice, and then you can make a different choice. Wow, I just said that seeing my mom isn't a priority or whatever it is. I don't have to believe that story. I can change that story. I can make it a priority, because I do have time. We all have the same amount of hours in the day, just depends on how we use it exactly.

Beth  
Yeah, and that's what's so interesting, because I've had to walk clients through this as well. It's like, you know, knowing how to manage time, and then, you know, not put aside big priorities. And it's like, well, to stop and say, like, Well, what do you what are your priorities? What do you value most? Right now, it doesn't mean it has to be forever, you know. I know starting up a business like those first few years is like, no joke, you know? I mean, I was like, I think I might have worked seven days a week. I have no idea. I'm like, I think I worked my butt off. Off, because it was like, that was just my what I valued the most, and it was my priority. And it's like, okay, now I'm at a place where I can start to, I mean, I don't want to relax, but I can relax a little bit because I have so many other priorities that I value, you know. And I think, you know, it is interesting because I spent, what, almost 15 years, maybe more, working in corporate America and working really long hours for a job that I hated. And, you know, just kind of in that system of what I would call modern day slavery. And, you know, having an awakening around it, being like, wait a second, if I just continue this, I'm going to spend my whole life like, is that what it's about is just so I could, so I can buy things, or so I can own a house, or so I can go out and get drunk expensive dinners, you know, multiple times a week. Like it was that lifestyle of, I would say it was the New York City lifestyles, like working, you know, 15 hour days, and then just going out and getting wasted at night. And I was like, this is not it was fun in my 20s. But then, you know, 30s, I was like, something's off this. This can't be what life is about, you know. And I think so many people start to realize that. And some it takes a little longer, and some it's like, and some never know, yeah. Or you have, like, an initiation, you know, it's like,

Wil Fisher  
well, so what was the turning point for you? What was and quick side note, it occurs to me that we have a similar trajectory. If we both started in California, we both went to New York City, I went to Upstate, and then I came back. But you're creating this beautiful life in upstate.

Beth  
It is so funny. And I do go back to California four or five times a year now,

Wil Fisher  
that's right, yeah. So yeah, we're like, walking these parallel paths. But yeah, tell us about how it was for you to transition out, what that spark was, what helped you see, like, actually, I want to do something different,

Beth  
yeah, yeah. And I do believe, you know, like, I think, like a lot of us out there, I was programmed very well by my parents, by society, but definitely my parents, where it was, like, your role was to go to college and get a job and then, like, be stable, you know, it was. I came from that generation where my dad pretty much had the same, you know, career for 30 whatever, 35 years, maybe more. It was a good job, but it was like, you know, it was a lifer. He was a lifer that doesn't really, I don't think it exists in our generation anymore. Maybe it did for a little while, but it was, you know, I was stuck in that fear of, like, you know, my parents didn't support me. I didn't get money to move to New York City. I literally got college graduation money, and then that was it. And I was like, I want to live in New York City and, like, become an adult and go out and have fun. And so it was like you just had to work your butt off be able to pay rent living in one of the most expensive cities in the US. And, you know, I actually liked aspects of the work that I did. I think what I hated was, you know, the the industry I was in, what it stood for, the people. Unfortunately, it was just it brought in a lot of really, like kind of crazy personalities. And it was, you know, it was kind of one of those overworked, underpaid type things. I was in the fashion industry for a while, and it was really exciting at times. But it was like, Wait a second, why am I working like, 50 Who were you working for? Um, you know, I worked for a bunch of different companies, but one of the, like, the pinnacles was when I worked for Rebecca Taylor, who, actually, this is still from Rebecca Taylor, because they did make clothes really, really nice clothes made very well. She was a pretty well known designer. We did runway, you know, we Fashion Week, but it was freaking intense, you know, like, I

Wil Fisher  
worked in the fashion industry too. I worked for Donna Karen for a while, and then for it Miyake. Oh, so, you know, yeah, I know, yeah. I totally know that world, yeah, yeah.

Beth  
And I was, I was going through it, and, you know, the first wake up call was, you know, during my Saturn Return, when I was 29 my dad died with only, like, a three week warning. It was pretty sudden. It was like three to four weeks of running, and then that was that. And that was kind of like the first, like, wait a second, my dad had just retired, you know, like he wasn't even retired that long, maybe five or six years. And so there was that, there was, like, wait a second, he just worked his butt off at this job that I'm not sure he really liked, but somehow he stayed there for 30 years, and then he just died. Wow. That woke up something in me to start to really question, like, what is my future? Where am I going? Do I really want to do this, like, is this what life is all about? And then it was just a series of different initiations. You know, it was I, pretty much, I would say, I started my spiritual awakening when I was a young kid, because I I have memories and moments of, like, having these kind of spiritual activations. And I've kind of a. Always been on that path of seeking and growth and development, but it was definitely like exponential growth in my spirituality during that time of, like, witnessing my dad die. It was actually my boyfriend at the time's dad also died. So I was like two fathers dying, like, right at the same time. Yeah, it was really intense. And then it was a lot of questioning. And of course, I had, I had already been working with psychedelics, but not, not on this, like, intentional way, but I was on a spiritual path. I was always, you know, kind of had my hands in a lot of different worlds, but, you know, like the yoga spirituality world, like starting to get into meditation and Buddhism, and I think it was just through a lot of the questioning and a lot of the like seeking of, like, what is life all about? What is my soul's purpose? You know, different things started happening to me. It was like little dark nights of the souls, over and over and over and, you know, I I had been laid off of a job, and I was kind of excited about it, because I was like, like, I knew, I knew I needed a break to, just like, do some deep soul searching grinds that I couldn't afford. To take a very long break because I lived in New York City, so I am, I took two months off and did the travel thing. And looking back, I'm like, Man, I should have taken six, but, you know, two and a half months to travel and and it was right before it was like 2011 and I remember it was the first time where I had met someone. I was in Cambodia at a beach, and someone was telling me about, you know, the 2012 prophecies and how the world is starting to change. And it was like, What is this cool? Like, you know, part of me is like, yeah, that feels totally makes sense. Like, it's resonant, you know, I had done deeper reading, and it was kind of like exponential spiritual awakenings to get to the point of, like, what do I really want? And so then it was kind of like starting to seed. What I really wanted to do, like, plant the seeds, plant the seeds. But I still, you know, went back to the kind of corporate world, but I had to have probably the worst I had, what I would say, like, the job was actually quite easy. It was, like, the easiest money I've ever made. But I worked for one of the worst companies on planet Earth. Oh, geez. Like, up there with, yeah, like, like, morally misaligned with me and I was working there, and I was like, I can't even live with myself working for this company. Like, really questioning, like, what am I doing? You know, when I was traveling during that two months, I had a birthday that I had spent in India, and I had what I always call my, um, it's kind of like my mental breakdown, but it was a an awakening in the back of a tuck, tuck stuck in traffic in Mumbai.

Wil Fisher  
I have it, no, no, but I can imagine, oh,

Beth  
my God, it's like, for anyone that knows it's it's like chaos means India to begin with, but it's just so hot and crowded, like the traffic, you can't get anywhere in Mumbai without, like, two hours in traffic at least. And I was sitting there, and I, you know, I had been working in the apparel, the fashion industry, and I had done a lot of overseas production, so I had traveled to, you know, a lot of Asia already, and I was kind of used to it. But something really hit me when I saw I saw this, like, I think it was a market, and it was just like a sea. I call it a sea of really cheap clothes, okay? And I saw it, and was just like, Oh, my God, I am literally polluting the planet with my with my career, which I already knew just because of what I witnessed over the years. I mean, like, and I, you know, I was, I was like, president of the environmental club in high school. I was like, oh yeah. Always, like, kind of earthy, crunchy, but, like, never looked crunchy. But, you know, like, always had this deep connection with the earth and the environment and a lot of awareness. And I just remember seeing all these clothes, knowing that I had to come back to this, like, industry that I worked in, it is actually, like, one of the number one polluters of the planet. I mean, they've talked about that this industry has, you know, very little good coming out of it, except that we need clothes. And I just broke down. And I had this, like, I actually had to, like, leave the talk talk. And I, like, ran off. But it was just this moment of like, I need to make a change, and I don't really care what it takes, because it was almost like I saw my future flash before my eyes, I saw myself being as miserable as all my bosses, yeah, all, like, very unhealthy, like angry women that hated life. You know, one of them, like chain smoke. I don't mind if I don't do something about this. I'm gonna just become one of them. And I don't I was already kind of miserable to. Begin with, right? I was already like, just not really who I knew I was on the inside. And so I started a process to make some changes. And it was kind of like talking to people, taking some classes, planting seeds, like, thank thankfully. I had a really good mentor, who's, you know, my one billionaire friend, who was like, around in my life. So, you know, it was like, it was like, this kind of slow change, but through series of, like, you know, then I lost my job, and then I got a job at a tech startup, and then I lost that job, and then I had a, you know, one of these, like, debilitating, weird mystery illnesses that, to this day, I have no idea what it was, but it woke it like, like, I remember when I was sick with that mystery illness, I had a voice that came to me that was like, Do you want to live or do you want to die? Wow, and it was, and it was really like, that moment of deciding, like, it's it wasn't about, and who knows if it was really about living or dying. It might have been because I was kind of like, who knows what was going on. But it was more about like, what are you doing here to live?

Wil Fisher  
Yes, and that's really want to live. Do you want to live intentionally? Do you want to actually lose this life in a good way, in a way that is life giving,

Beth  
exactly, and that, you know, it was like that. And then you know, the certain level of like, you know, spiritual awakenings happening, and then serendipitous moments, and then, you know, it was a transition. And it's funny, because I help a lot of my clients go through these transitions, and they can be no joke, where you're like, your life is in two worlds, right? You're like, moving out of the one that was your kind of, not self programmed world, and stepping into the truth of who you are and what you're here to do. And it feels scary as hell, because, of course, you're like, you know, there's like, the real world, like money, and who am I and how am I going to pay the bills? And, you know, there's other people and other things involved, but anything's possible. And every I believe anyone can do it. I actually believe if every human being was living their souls purpose on planet Earth, we would probably have no war. You know, totally. I mean, it's like, so what's what is wrong with the society, you know, like, what goes wrong here that people are programmed to be living these lies for so long, and then they get sick, and then they get miserable, and then, you know, everyone around them is miserable. I just said no to it, because I saw it too much in, you know, other people and, you know, and to some extent, maybe my own father, you know? I don't, I don't think he hated what he did, but I don't think he was truly meant, you know, like, it's like, I think he had more to him and didn't do it, you know.

Wil Fisher  
And what a gift he gave you to have that life and then show you that maybe that's not the path you want to take. And, yeah, it's interesting. Your tuk tuk story. So my tuk tuk story was 911 essentially, I was working for the fashion industry. I was on my way to a runway show that day, and then I was underground, supposed to go under where the World Trade Centers were. But I think it got rerouted, of course, but people were coming onto the subway, like with these horror stories of watching people follow the buildings. And so then I finally got above ground. I didn't know where to go. I was like, Well, I guess I'm gonna still go to where my office is. I didn't know what I was doing, but I came above ground at 42nd street, and there was just like chaos going on. And I remember finding a church, like I just walked into a church because I felt like it would be a safe space, and had a moment with God and realized, like, I'm never going back to Donna Karan again, like it was over. But yeah, there was so there was chaos. A Chaos moment for me too, when I, when I decided to leave that fashion industry.

Beth  
And that's weird, because I was, I was there. I was working on 32nd and Sixth Avenue, because I was working for a different fashion company. My office was right near there. That's, yeah, I was right near Penn and I It was wild, because I will never forget, it's like burned into my retinas. We had a direct view of because we were at the bottom of midtown. So we didn't have any buildings blocking us. We had a direct view of the World Trade Center. And I remember seeing, like a literal, before they went down a literal, like hole in it, and was like, whoa. And then, I mean, it was, that was a life changing that was definitely a huge life changing experience and very traumatizing. I mean, for many years, you know, for so many people, but yeah, especially those of us that were like, like, right there, and

Wil Fisher  
absolutely, yeah. I mean, I think it was a shift in the collective consciousness of of everyone on the planet. But certainly for those of us who were in New York City, it was like, that's the city. Felt so different. And afterwards. I mean, in a way, we felt more connected. I mean, there was some trauma bonding. It was like we are in this together. And then at the same time, it also felt kind of eerie, and kind of we were waiting for the next bomb to drop, almost Yes, but I imagine it was a pivotal moment for a lot of people to have these moments of, what am I doing with my life? Right? Often, these, these chaotic moments of unrest, are moments where we do question this path. We we kind of get jolted out of the groundhog day that we were talking about earlier, and we're like, what the fuck you know? I think, I think the pandemic also served for a lot of folks to question where they were at and so, yeah, I'm curious. I imagine that sometimes that's where you're meeting your clients who are realizing this is not the path I want to take. And so what does support them in that transitional moment? How do you help people who are like I know that I don't want to be doing that. I think I want to do this, but I'm still on the fence,

Beth  
yeah, yeah. And I'm always, you know, I'm a Capricorn rising, so I'm always very grounded here in reality where it's like, Look, I've never, I actually never tell people to quit, you know. I actually usually the opposite, like, stay where you are as long as you can, yeah, while you're making the changes, you know, unless someone has savings or some way of supporting themselves, but you know, it's like, don't be unrealistic. Don't, as they say, don't, don't drink Ayahuasca and then come home and change your life like the next day. But yeah, it's like, you know, like planting the little seeds. For me, it was like, the what if, like, what if this is possible. Like, getting really curious. You know, I actually, I had started my first business. It was a running clothing company, and I had, I had thought of it, like, eight years before. And, I mean, it came to me, and I was, like, sitting on it for years, like, dreamed of it and dreamed of it, and I didn't think I just wrote it off. I didn't think it was possible at all. But then, you know, I was starting to hang out with more, you know, entrepreneurs in general. And then I was in like, the kind of tech startup world, and it was like, Well, wait a second, these people have done it. Why not me? It's like, if any, like, when I have a client that's like, leaving corporate and wants to go into coaching. Let's say, you know, it's like, Well, okay, first of all, it's been proven. The coaches can make it, because you can see coaches out here making it. So there you go. The proof of concept is already there. So then it's like, well, you know, like, how can you start planting the seeds for your life, you know? And then see if, okay, is there some worthiness issue that comes up, or some limiting beliefs or self doubts around, like, why not you? Or, you know, usually I hear the money thing probably the most, like, how am I going to pay for this and this? It's like, one of the first things I say is like, Okay, how much do you make now? Well, do you know how much you could actually make by doing what you really want to do. And that's another thing, is people don't even have, you know, an idea of, like, wait a second, what if I could actually make more money? You know? What if I have a way better life, I have more freedom and more money, and I get to love what I do? Sure, it's like if we I never thought of that possibility. I mean, it's really interesting to watch how people, you know, like, probably the programming, it's like, there's just so many beliefs already set in on, well, that's going to be too hard, or I can't do it, or I won't make money, or it costs a lot of money. It's like, well, actually, you know, and this is where, when you have support with a, you know, business coach, or some other kind of coach, or a mentor, someone who's done it before, sure it can show you the reins. You know, like, Okay, here's what you do, here's what you don't do, and here's how you slowly make the transition. You know? What I've seen over the years is, as my clients are slowly making transitions, sometimes the universe does it for them. I've had clients like, get their business set up, which is great, and then, you know, suddenly they get laid off. It's like, oh, great, you know, okay, now you have an opportunity. Or, you know, something happens that wakes them up, you know, I've, I've seen this. I've seen every different version of it. But, um, you know, people maybe get, like, an illness or some kind of sickness, or like something very debilitating happens, and then they're like, You know what, I need to make some changes in life. So it's like starting to plant the seeds. Take one little step at a time. You know, ideally with someone who's can guide you through the process so you're not overwhelmed and lost trying to figure it out on your own. But if you're just you know, like it wouldn't hurt anybody to start even telling, I always say, just tell someone about your idea totally your friends. Start telling your partner, your people that you trust, and see what happens. You know. See. It starts to unfold because you're, you're now speaking it into reality. This is like the creation process, right? I am declaring that I even if it's a maybe, and you're not sure. Like, I remember, I was like, I was already coaching, and people telling me to coach. And I was like, Oh, what's this coach? I didn't even know there was such a thing as a coach, but I was already coaching people nice. And then I was like, oh, you know, maybe I should take this, this coaching thing, seriously. And so I just started telling people. And then, you know, a friend that needed, I was already helping people, but I offered to help a friend, and I was like, you know, let me just take you through a process that I know worked for me, and let's see how it works, you know, like, next thing I know, I'm I'm actually doing it. So then it's like, okay, how do you just start claiming it?

Wil Fisher  
Yes, and sometimes you have to claim it a little bit before, Yeah, take that golden staff. And sometimes you have to claim it a little before it's fully embodied and happening. I mean, almost most of the time you do, you know, it's a little bit of a fake until you make it piece. And I agree that, you know, I like thinking about words as spells. You know, the word spelling, it's like it's got it right there in it. And that we do declare by expressing what we are wanting to do, what we are going to do. I remember when I knew I wanted to perform this solo piece. I had this idea of writing this autobiographical solo piece about me and my relationship with drag and heartbreak and elder, queer wisdom and all these themes that wanted to be shared. And I just sat with it on it for so long, and then I just started telling people I was going to do it. And then that little then that lit a fire under my butt, you know, and then I booked a space, and then it really lit a fire under my butt. And it was like, as soon as that fire started, a director appeared. And, you know, all these different things happened that were aligned with what I wanted to create. And so so much of it is just not waiting. Like, don't wait any longer. It's time. The time is now

Beth  
exactly, yes, like, really seizing the moment. I mean, it's true because, I mean, that's exactly what happened to me. It's like, once you're really making a decision and declaring it, and, you know, like you said, casting that little spell, even if it's just curiosity, even if it's like, what if I could do little more of this telling people, you know, also, it's human nature, humans that are connected to each other, they want to help, you know, the second someone tells me, you know, I'm thinking of, I don't know, selling my flower essences, because this happened to a friend just last week. He makes really great essences. I've really enjoyed them. It's like, you know what? Now I can tell other people about it, you know, it's like, but I wouldn't have known that he wants to sell it unless he tells me and speaks it into reality. So, you know, keep in mind, it's like, just, it's like, starting to get it flowing out there in the world, and you have to actually take, you know, it's this balance of the masculine and feminine energies. You have to take a certain amount of action in the world to get things going. But I do see, it's interesting. I do see so many people out there kind of, like living very and there's no judgment. It's there's nothing wrong. It's their path. But like, kind of living unintentionally with, like, letting life, do life to them, versus like creating life, you know? And it's, it's interesting, because there's a close family member of mine that I watched this happen to, and I'm like, I just don't understand it, like, I can't even relate to it, because there's so much more, you know, there's some like we are creational beings, and then I watch just kind of like, almost like a victim of life.

Wil Fisher  
You know, it's like living in reaction to life instead of because there is something to seeing the opportunities that unfold, especially once you have claimed the path that you're taking. Right? So I, for me, my path has often been about expressing my desire and putting myself in places and in situations where that desire is aligned, and then seeing which opportunities unfold and following these opportunities. But it's, it's more of a responsive energy than a reactive energy. It's like, how can we move out of reactivity to life into responsiveness to life where we are co creating with the universe, co creating with our spirits, co creating with how we are meant to walk our highest path. So actually, that's a good segue into, I know that your work is often supporting, you know, you talk about soul led businesses, and so I'd love for you to share a little bit about what, what you mean by that, by businesses that are led by the soul.

Beth  
Yeah, you know, I always say anybody can start a business where. They, I don't know, sell widgets on Amazon for 2999 right? Like, that's actually fairly easy to do, and if that's your stick, there's nothing wrong with it. But you know, what I've witnessed over the years is if, if someone is starting to feel like they're being pulled in a direction, and I call it a pull, because it actually starts to feel like you're being pulled there, like even physically, where it's like, oh, things are landing in your lap, or people are coming to you, or opportunities are happening, and you're starting to feel like, Oh, well, you know, I wonder what, what it would be like if I was able to do that. Or, you know, like I have this naturally coming through me, and I really enjoy doing this. What if I could do this for my actual, you know, work in the world? I do believe that is part of our inherent blueprint of why we're here right now at this time. You know, I think some people's sole purpose is to just be a mom, and some people's sole purpose is just to make beautiful art. Some people's sole purposes make beautiful music. And some are here to, I don't know, Coach people through spiritual awakenings during the craziest time that I could ever imagine being alive. Yeah, it'll get crazier, you know. And so it's like, if you start this conversation with with your soul, or if that's too much for you to I always say just like something that's beyond you is the ego self, yes, the knowing of like, Oh, my mind that's constantly lying to me or telling me, you know, made up stories, yes, but really the heart centered self that it's like beyond you, you know, Like, maybe you get a flash, or something comes to you in a ceremony. Or, you know, the synchronicities keep pulling you in a direction, and you start to wonder about it. You know, where is that coming from? You know, like, no one really knows, right? It's like, okay, like you're getting a divine download from somewhere. What is that? You know, I do believe our souls are here to guide us in the direction that we're meant to be on, you know, into this path of alignment, as they all talk about. And when you're really walking that path, and, you know, it's, it's a relationship, I believe. I the way I approach it is, you know, it takes a certain amount of action and surrender. You know, the energetics, the intuition, the like, really paying attention, your heart, like, what is lighting you up? What's getting you excited? What is, you know, moving the energy in a positive direction, getting you excited to get out of bed in the morning. You know, I don't know about you, but back when I worked in the apparel industry, it was like, I don't remember ever being excited to get out of bed, and now I don't ever remember not being excited to get out of bed, you know. But it's like paying attention to these feelings that are coming through and start to develop a relationship with your soul, you know? You can quite literally, ask and talk to it like and I still do this a lot, even though I do believe I'm living my purpose for right now today. But, you know, I do believe our, our sole purpose, is constantly evolving, constant, right? Yeah, so if you're in this relationship with like, okay, you know, use me as a vessel for whatever it is like, for beauty, for service, for creativity, for flow, for love, for joy in the world, you know, and show me, guide me, like, give me some signs, like, whatever it is, like, use me. You know, what happens is, like, there's actually not that much work to do. I mean, technically, I say to my clients, like, technically, you could be okay not doing anything if you're doing a lot of this deeper level work. And you know, putting in some earthly actions, because we are embodied beings here on Earth right now, sure, but you know, like really being led by something that is beyond you. And I do believe that most people that are soul LED or in service to other versus service to self. Meaning, it's not, yes, of course, it's about you and your happiness and the money you make, etc. But it's, it's beyond that. It's like, what would you do if money didn't matter? You know, if money didn't even exist? If the whole entire this is a scenario I get because I got it during my very first Ayahuasca ceremony. Many, many years ago, if the entire world economy collapsed into oblivion, and we were all like, kind of leveled at the same place, because now we have to scramble together some new system. And, you know, maybe bitcoin is not even worth anything. I mean, who knows? What would you do to help out? Like, what would you do in the world? Like, would you be holding space for people that are freaking out? Would you be playing music? Would you be helping kids, you know, take care of kids? Would you be planting food? You know, it's like there's no right or wrong to what anybody's here to do. But. Like, what would be like driving you if the need to, you know, survive this, this fake thing that we call security, which is all a gigantic illusion anyways, you know, if none of that really mattered and you were truly just provided for, which I believe that's our truth, that's our inherent why we're here. What would you do? And it's like, follow that and it will literally leave you golden nuggets on the path. And you're like, your job is just to notice the nuggets. And like, you know, for me, I'm a manifesting generator, so I actually, I tend to get a nugget and then, like, question it, and like, sit on it, like kind of doubt it a little bit years to come out about psychedelics, even though it came through, like, three years before that, you know. But like, see the golden nugget, and like, work with it, you know, you could totally ignore them all and go back to the fear based way of living, or you can just follow the golden path that's being laid out in front of you and pay attention and listen and be present. And then, wow, lo and behold, the right people show up at the right time in the right places. And voila. Next thing you know, you're you're living a totally different

Wil Fisher  
life, totally so beautiful. Yeah, what I hear in that is less doing and more being. I love the invitation of, yeah, committing to the inner work and trusting that the external is going to start unfolding in a good way once a lot of that stuff inside is cleaned up and cleared out. And I also love the idea of what would it look like if the world collapsed. The other thought experiment I do is, is rewinding like we're I was sharing earlier, like, what if we were back in the days of living in tribes? What would I be doing? What would I want to what would I be so excited to see my my beloved doing, and the people in my life doing? You know, I love imagining that and thinking about because we can create more of that now, you know, and we we can create more of the community events, and the more singing together, sitting around fires like we can, we can rewind into those ancient times in some ways. And I feel like this day and age as we are on the precipice of AI, you know, taking a even bigger role in our lives. It's more pivotal for us to be tapping into the wisdom of ancient times and to be connecting in community, and to be remembering who we are without all of society's programming and all the technology that's that's running the show in many ways,

Beth  
totally, yeah, it's like the Ancient Future now, right? Yes, completely agree. I mean, that's, that's kind of the vision I saw. And I think, you know, I always wonder, is this really going to happen in our lifetime? But I think it's already happening. You know, on some level, there's more awareness of, like, you know, the system that we've been in for so long, it's doesn't serve anybody. It doesn't. It definitely doesn't serve the Earth itself. And, you know, it's not sustainable, and we have to approach things differently. And I do believe, like, the more people are in tune with their hearts, you know, in conversations with their soul and and really attuning to, like, well, what is, you know, like, what is my blueprint? You know, like, this is probably why astrology has become more popular, and human design and Gene keys and all these, you know, these tools that we have available to just know thyself on such a deeper level. And also, you know, really listen our intuition. Because, of course, all of these tools, just, all they do is back up our intuition. You know, it's like, Oh yeah, well, I already knew that. So then, okay, why does everybody have such a hard time just listening to their intuition? And I think a lot of it is just deep, fear based programming, like defining our entire world. You know,

Wil Fisher  
yes, it's that courage piece, and I see you as a champion of courage, a champion of folks lining up with what their soul is calling them into, and then having the courage to actually follow that path and find those golden nuggets. And I am grateful for you for being such a way shower and for inspiring so many people to find their soul's path and to move us closer in that direction of world, harmony and peace, which is possible during our lifetime. Yeah, we'll see. But let's, let's keep moving the needle in that direction. And yeah, thank you for all the work that you do. And yeah, as we start to wrap up, any final words that you want to leave the listeners with,

Beth  
yeah, you know it's really interesting, because that came up at these ceremonies over the weekend that I, you know, I've always wondered, like, Is this possible in our lifetime? Like, can we see world peace? Can we actually get along? Can we also, you know, take care of the earth? Like, I don't know. I mean, I very often feel like it's truly possible in our lifetime. And it seems like it when. We stop and look at the news and the media and the world wars and, you know, like just everything happening all around us. And there's also more and more people like talking about this, having these conversations, starting to shift into this way of being, like, really being in their heart, coming back to ancient ways, you know, wanting to connect more in community, wanting to, you know, get guidance around spirituality and, you know, questioning everything. And I don't know, this has come up a lot in the last few weeks. Like, I've had three people around me say, like, Oh, I think we're like, almost at the tipping point where then it becomes, like, exponentially fast. Like more and more people wake up, and more and more people realize, like, this way isn't working for me, or I'm miserable, or I'm sick of having to numb myself with whatever it is just to get through the day, you know. And it's like, I think the more that we hold this frequency of like, who what we want to see in the world and who we be in the world, then you know, it's just going to hopefully inspire more and more people to say, like, oh, you know, what is it you're doing? Oh, well, I worked with Wil, you know, like, you know, whatever it is. And you know, maybe, maybe it's like, it's going to happen so, but the one other thing I'll say is, especially to anybody that's really feeling, you know, misaligned in their career or even their business, because I actually, I actually get a lot of people who are like, let's say body workers or acupuncturists or whatever it is, for 2030, years, and they're like, Okay, I'm ready for something else to be added in, or a shift. You know, it's like, it doesn't serve anybody, especially yourself and your loved ones around you to be unhappy or not doing what you're meant to do. And you know, it's like, there's nothing like losing parents or going through death or coming to your midlife, which I've now experienced, you know, I'm going through all of them. It's like, wow, we really don't, I mean, yeah, I do believe in multiple incarnations, but, like we do, only live this one incarnation, this once, and it's, we don't know how long it's going to be, and it's goes by in a blink of an eye. So you know, why wait? It's like you said, why? What are you waiting for? And it doesn't mean you have to give up your fancy whatever you know, get rid of your house or anything. It's like you can actually live the exact or even better lifestyle by doing what you love. I've done it like a lot of my clients, a lot of friends, peers. It's like, Well, why not you? So I just, I really encourage people to start taking the steps now, because there's, you know, it's like, The later you if you wait longer, it's just going to be later. What's the point? You know, so get some support. We're both here to help, if not. I know a million other people that are great, you know, it's like there's no need to suffer any longer. I just, I think that paradigm is done.

Wil Fisher  
Yes, yes, it needs to be done. Carpe Diem seize the day. Now is the moment. We need more and more folks stepping into their calling during this time. It's so pivotal for the sake of humanity, in a way. I mean, that's the stakes that we're talking about at this point. So yeah, again, thank you for the ways that you show up for people. And yeah, this has been such a joy. There's a bunch of topics that I wanted to dive into, but we just flowed and hit so many cool other topics, so super grateful, and we'll do it again. Yeah. So much love to you. Thanks. Thank you so much wil

Beth  
and thanks everybody for tuning in.