Tami Barber: 0:03

Welcome to Season 3 of Cancer, the Emotional Mountain. I'm Tami, your host and an ovarian cancer thriver. As I begin this season, I'm entering my fourth year of treatment and thriving with ovarian cancer. I think back to my diagnosis sitting in my truck in the Red Rock of Utah and can't believe all that has happened and bless my life to today. First, I'm alive, against all odds. I'm here living and touching the lives of those who have also heard the dreaded words you have cancer. I remember thinking at the time I'm dying, but that's not what it means anymore. We're so lucky to be alive now.

Tami Barber: 0:53

In a time where research and medicine have lengthened our lives, cancer is no longer a death sentence. It's becoming more of just a chronic disease. My guest in this episode is Trish Kifer, an author, cancer survivor and my mentor for the metabolic approach to cancer. I met Trish at Camp Make-A-Dream. She has opened my eyes to a world of a companion treatment that I can use during my regular along with my regular treatments. I met her last fall and was lucky enough to take a session with her as she shared her journey with this discovery of the metabolic approach to cancer. Okay, but before we listen to my conversation with Trish. I want you to subscribe, like and leave me a message. Your support keeps my podcast on the radar for anyone who needs to hear words of encouragement. And now, ladies and gentlemen, my wonderful new friend, trish.

Tami Barber: 2:03

Hello everybody, welcome to another episode of Cancer, the Emotional Mountain. I'm Tammy, your host, and a cancer thriver ovarian cancer thriver which makes it really exciting for me today to invite I've invited another ovarian cancer survivor to be with us today. I met Trish last July at the ovarian camp which was held at Camp Make a Dream in Montana, which I've told you this season. We're going to talk to a lot of those ladies and we're going to explain a lot about Camp Make a Dream and hopefully all of you can get in touch with them and find out how miraculous it really is. So Trish is here today. I want her to share her story and I also want her to share something else, another journey that she has been on since she was diagnosed with ovarian cancer. So welcome, trish.

Trish Kifer: 3:06

Thank you, Tami, for having me. This is awesome.

Tami Barber: 3:09

It's so fun and, for those of you, whenever you're listening, this is a Monday for us, so we're like starting our week with this and so I'm going to give us a big old pat in the back.

Tami Barber: 3:21

We're doing it on a Monday, monday, miracle Monday. So, trish, I do know that you're an ovarian cancer survivor and, most importantly, at Camp Make, a Dream was for me to sit with other ovarian cancer survivors and thrivers, because that has not been what I've experienced in the past four years since my diagnosis. Mainly, many of them have passed, and that's a struggle for me, because my emotions go all over the place when I hear of another woman who wasn't diagnosed soon enough, wasn't diagnosed properly and, as in my case, some things just don't seem to work for us. We're unique. We're one of those unique cancers that hides and resists treatment and all of those other little shadows in the darkness. So tell me about your diagnosis what year, when and what, what, what your journey did for you, and don't don't hesitate to share the emotions, because that's what this podcast is all about. It's our roller coaster.

Trish Kifer: 4:41

Yeah, absolutely. Um, first of all, it's a true honor that I get to do this with you and um, honestly, when I first was diagnosed back September 2019, it was actually September 13th and it was a Friday, not on a Monday. It it was a Friday. So, um, I, I, my doctor, said I had a 1% chance of it not being cancer and I, in my brain, I was like I'm going to be that 1% because that's just how I roll, and but even though deep down in my gut, I knew there was something going on, and he told me about Colorado Ovarian Cancer Alliance, which is now Colorado Gynecological Cancer Alliance in Colorado. And I couldn't sleep that night, obviously, and I look up and there's. They always have annual walks in Denver, but this one they were going to be trying it out in Northern Colorado, fort Collins area, where I live, and so it's midnight and I said I think that's where I need to be.

Trish Kifer: 6:00

And the next morning I told my husband, I said they have a Colorado ovarian cancer alliance walk for awareness and, um, he said let's go. And as we walk in, um, it's at the park and so, of course, just splattered in teal and and um, I'm walking up on the back. You know a lot of, a lot of awareness walks you see in memory of and then are survivors in honor and my husband saw in memory of and all I saw were survivors. You know that's where I, you know he was. He was on that side of things seeing how many people that we have lost in this disease of things, seeing how many people that we have lost in this disease, and I just knew, like I've said, I'm in this community. Like you said at the beginning, I was hours in it, like maybe 12 hours, that I knew and I already found a community.

Tami Barber: 6:59

Wonderful.

Trish Kifer: 7:00

And it was just, it was absolutely incredible. I walk up and you or you register and Patrick, he said, okay, are you a survivor or caregiver? And I was like I don't know how to answer that Because first, I'm still like in that 1% mindset, I'm like I'm still like have 1% chance of just not being here. So I was like I didn't feel, like I was like, am I phony being here? And you know. But even though, like I said, deep down, I was like I knew things were going on and he said, well, you know, you get a whole beat, you know whole necklace for one year, that you're survivor. And I was like, do you have like one beat? Because I, like I said I'm not even. And so he goes, you take this necklace and you will earn it and you will be back to get a second one, and so I those are very you know.

Trish Kifer: 8:01

So I got into a community and I was really kind of I'm pretty Outgoing and when I'm at a place I, you know, just meeting people. But they had everything set up for the family, had my whole family there, and we were over and they had, like you know, cornhole and just a bunch of games to play and I was over there with my family while everybody was else you know, kind of talking with each other, and Roger said you go, you go talk to those women because they're going to save life. But, um, so I went and I I just started walking with another lady and she was young.

Trish Kifer: 8:36

Um, she actually had ovarian cancer while she was pregnant, um yeah, and she now has two kids. She's, I believe, probably right now eight to 10 years out, and she gave me some life-saving information that day. It was just like, no matter what she goes, I moved every single day of my treatment and so that's what I did, and I called her and another lady, sue, that I met there. She came in one of my chemo treatments and she brought me a little stone that you know from where she was up at Niagara Falls and she came to visit. So I had you know I wasn't 100% Before all that, you know, before that iconic moment, you know just where I found my people and where I just knew I just like you know, I had that support which was, like you said, it's just so comforting and it's so we just need to.

Trish Kifer: 9:35

That's one of my first things when I tell people I said, if you have a good support group, you're going to be just fine, because no matter all this other stuff will filter through, but your support group is pinnacle. I mean, it's just it.

Trish Kifer: 9:51

It really is vital yeah, um, and you know the ones in the relationships and you know the ones that you find you figure out. You know, um, you know who your true tribe is, know a lot of times people come and go and but the ones that just stick through it, through those times, you know those are the ones that you want for, you know, for a lifetime. You know, and I I was 43 when I was identified, so you know, and I actually had tumors on both of my ovaries and on my colon and my diaphragm and it was just kind of I called it my little cancer fairies because I said it was just like floating around ready just to party.

Trish Kifer: 10:36

Right you know, in just the right time when I did see my regular doctor. You know, about two weeks before I had that moment with my conventional oncologist when he said I had about a 100% chance of it not being ovarian cancer. It was just before all that I had, you know, had all the typical menopausal signs. My mom went through menopause early. I had incontinence, I had pain in my abdomen. I was an athlete. All these things made sense because you had two kids, naturally, you being an athlete. Maybe I tweaked something, maybe I did an exercise wrong.

Tami Barber: 11:27

You know, so just everything. And you had conceived and given birth normally, just like everybody else does.

Trish Kifer: 11:35

Yeah.

Tami Barber: 11:35

Yeah.

Trish Kifer: 11:36

Yeah, and so everything you know it was not cancer, was not even in the wheel. Well, because it was just like you know. Well, maybe, just you know, as we get older you know sometimes we need to reawaken that you know that part of our bodies, and so I did the pelvic, you know type of exercises and all that kind of stuff and things got better. And until you know it, just it was, it was just basically, yeah, you you go see somebody and so then you know, just fast forward that basically it was like that Friday the 13th, and then I was in to get a laparoscopic just to see what was what in there, Cause the ultrasound showed that, yeah, you got something going on and at the time I was so naive I didn't really know anything about cancer or ovarian cancer.

Trish Kifer: 12:37

It wasn't in my family, you know all the things. Like you know, leading a healthy lifestyle wasn't in the family. You know it was just like okay, well, you know, if it is something, then they can just cut it out, right, and then we'll be done, right, one and done. I just that's what I thought. And so I was really I was praying, I was like okay. I was like okay, dr Buttenpally, which he'd be happy that I shared his name.

Tami Barber: 13:04

He's fantastic.

Trish Kifer: 13:06

But we had a deal. I said, okay, if you could go in there and you see, and you can get the stuff and you just cut it out and and then we'll just be done. And, um, and he goes, well, if I get in there and there's a lot, you know, there's things that we can't get then I'm going to close you up and then we're going to have another plan. And that's what happened. As soon as I woke up, I saw my husband and I just knew the doctor had already shared with him.

Trish Kifer: 13:39

Well, he had known. But I just knew, even without even just, I just knew that it was still in me. I just knew that we, I was like, okay, that it was still in me. I just knew that we, I was like, okay, we're going to go to that other plan, um, and the other plan was basically three rounds of chemo and then the deep belt like surgery, getting everything, and then three rounds of chemo. And I was like, okay, um, let's just, let's do this.

Trish Kifer: 14:05

And so that's really what happened was I went in and started chemo and my doctor that I've had for, you know, 20 years, my general practitioner, she said, you know, you can think about this, you don't need to jump into chemo right away. She said, you know, you can think about this. You don't need to jump into chemo right away, you know, and from what I learned now, it's like sometimes it takes up to 10 years for cancer to come and manifest. And so she really wanted me to really, just just really think. And we knew we were going to do chemo. But she said, just, you know, just kind of take a breath and not jump in.

Tami Barber: 14:49

But I jumped in, I just said no, I said I knew we might already be 10 years into it, if it's already been seen.

Trish Kifer: 14:57

Right and at the latest I was like I want this, I want this gone and I want this out today. Yeah, you know, and looking back, that was, you know, I was used, having the information that I had at the time and being young and everything I knew that I could, I would be, I would, you know, was not going to be a cakewalk, this chemo stuff, but I knew I was going to be fine. You know, one question, the first question my husband had to ask he goes is this terminal and how long does she have?

Trish Kifer: 15:26

oh my god and I mean it was. It was like he oh, you know the caregivers bless them. I said, if anybody's listening, your caregivers, I just are hardest job harder than being a patient yeah, yeah is there. They just got to be strong.

Trish Kifer: 15:43

You know they're going through stuff and you know they got to be strong for you and right um, and I'm glad he did ask that question because you know um dr goop holly said he goes, you know everybody is different and every case is different and we don't, you know, we just don't know um, and so, uh, he said the one thing do not do is go google things don't my listeners hear that every podcast never google?

Tami Barber: 16:13

yeah, you are not going to become a doctor on google, nor will you really find one.

Trish Kifer: 16:21

Yeah, or and google and the statistics are on other people, they're not on you, and that's what I'm learning, too, is like right we have this came knocking on our door a very specific way, so we have to heal in a very specific way and it's on our own statistics. So you know, um, so yeah, so we just we just that's just what protocol was and it was fine, and even during one of my treatments I paused it and went to Turks and Caicos and did a family vacation Well, good for you?

Tami Barber: 16:56

Yeah, I wish you did, because 2020 was not social.

Trish Kifer: 17:02

No, no, we got that in, you know. And one thing he did say he goes, you know, go ahead. You know, before masks were a thing and he said you just wear a mask on the plane, I said done, and it was the best you know. I think living and going and doing that was the best thing that I could have done.

Tami Barber: 17:20

The best medicine.

Trish Kifer: 17:22

Yeah, yeah. So you know, I lived life and I, I really I moved when I could and I rested when I needed to, and after that, you know those treatments. Then I was on oral chemo and then I, a little bit after that well, not a little bit, like 18 months later just this thing on my liver started manifesting it. Just you know the whole gamut. So then I did another six rounds of chemo and then after that is where I really really started investing and immersing metabolic health into things. I'd always done it from the beginning. Like all my treatments, I fasted the day before, the day of the day after, and hands down is why, you know, I the neuropathy, all the side effects that we get with chemo. I didn't really I didn't really get them. I was nauseous a bit, um, but the fasting is was a huge tool that I used. That helps.

Tami Barber: 18:33

Um, that is so interesting that you know no one. No one in the infusion suite tells you that In fact, they bring in all kinds of food and ask you if you want a snack and, um, this is another. This is another thing that brought Trish and I together is she is an advocate and pretty much my teacher. She's not a teacher, she's not a doctor, but she is steering me in the metabolic journey to add to what I get from Western medicine, and I am extremely grateful. So you are going to hear some fabulous things that this doctor that she is under has done to help her and, like she said, her side effects and the after effects are non-existent because she tried something to go with her Western medicine. We always want to make sure everybody understands. We are not advocating that a candle and a meditation cures you. What we are saying is don't close your mind to other things that will heal.

Trish Kifer: 19:45

Yeah, and that's what it is, and it takes to be an advocate for yourself and doing your research. And a lot of times what I was blessed with is you know the book, you know, with Dr Nisha Winters, the Metabolic Approach to Cancer. You know the book, you know, with Dr Nisha Winters, the metabolic approach to cancer. She also, um, she is 32 years, 32 year plus years of being an ovarian cancer thriver and she was at stage four at age 19. And so she is my mentor, my hero, and just you know, learning, learning from her of how I can heal myself, um, and just doing, doing different things. And her big thing is test, assess and address. And that's what I've done is just, you know, we take these tests and you know things that show up and we assess it going. Okay, what can we do? There's a plan and then we address it and it's a constant thing. Like I said, at the beginning I thought we were just like let's get this out and we'll be done, and and away we go. But yeah, it's, it's a chronic illness and I, you know, it took me, you know, a good chunk of time to go. Oh yeah, this is lifelong, this is going to be a lifelong thing. Yeah, and it's not just let's cut this out and then go back to my old ways. Um, it's, let's get this and treat it and heal on all levels, um, spiritually, emotionally, physically, Um so, and it's, and that's what I've done.

Trish Kifer: 21:27

You know, before I was an endurance athlete. I did marathons and triathlons and now I do yoga and tennis. It just looks different. So my you know specifically my body. I thought I was doing healthy things and then doing all those other other you know, endurance races and things of that sort, but for my own body it's just too much. It was just too much.

Tami Barber: 21:51

And um and that changes as well. I mean things we did when we were um in our teens and our twenties and thirties. Then it changes. I was the maniac, uh, aerobics instructor, top 15 classes a week, step, high impact, low impact, kickboxing, and, uh, I am yoga, pilates and walks. I love it. My body's happier too.

Trish Kifer: 22:21

Very much. I'm not so sore all the time, I'm not, you know.

Tami Barber: 22:25

you know I can stand and sit you know I can get up off the floor.

Trish Kifer: 22:30

Yep, yep.

Tami Barber: 22:34

And I will. I want to make sure everyone understands that. If you are interested in the book because I just received mine two days ago, the metabolic approach to cancer that Trish talks about I will have that information in the show notes if you are interested.

Trish Kifer: 22:52

That'd be great. It's a great first read and it just why I gravitated towards it, because a lot of times people say, well, you know, and sometimes there is no why. We're like people just you know, have chronic illness. But a lot of times, you know, um, you know, especially for my case, you there, it gave me a why, it gave me this empowerment, like I could. It's like, oh, all these different things and you know, as you read the book it's like talks about these different terrains and we're not treating cancer as much as we're treating the terrains. The terrain is our. You know our body, our social, you know emotional, our metabolic health, our mitochondria, the toxins, the hormones, the diet and lifestyle, all the things that comes with a whole person. It's a whole person approach, not just like, um, you have ovarian cancer, we're going to treat ovarian cancer. It's like you have this illness that is trying to take you out and we want to create your body that is inhospitable to any chronic illness.

Tami Barber: 24:04

And it gives you yeah.

Tami Barber: 24:06

That's the exciting part. That's why I guess I will let you know that at Camp Make a Dream, Trish offered her time to speak with many of us in regards to this metabolic approach and I could see in her eyes and in her spirit that this worked for her. And since I've been in treatment for four years and had seven different kinds of chemo and now being tested for the eighth, I thought I should know better. I am a licensed massage therapist. I also believe in Chinese medicine. I believe in the body, homeostasis and all this. Why did I forget about that? And that's what I think is so amazing? That the universe said oh, by the way, you're going to go listen to Trish because she's going to give you that little nudge on the shoulder. That says listen to Trish, because she's going to give you that little nudge on the shoulder. That says, hey, remember that girl that used to think more about the possibilities as opposed to what scares you.

Trish Kifer: 25:21

I have tears in my eyes. That's beautiful because it is it. But you know, even knowing the stuff that I know now it's like this vortex of you're in it and you're in the doctor's office and you just and it and it is. It's just this vortex of, of of stuff and we do forget and we and and it and it and it's, instead of breathing and giving space, it just, you know, making decisions out of fear like oh, we got to scan you tomorrow or we got to get you. You know, we got to do this, like right, right now.

Tami Barber: 25:53

The minute they start doing things fast like that, you are sure you are going to die. Yeah, the night before my first chemo treatment, I'd already had the total hysterectomy, I'd already gotten my port and now the next morning was going to be my first chemo and unfortunately I did not have a team at the current oncologist's office. That was encouraging. I heard things like oh, you'll end up in the hospital. Oh, you'll end up very sick. Don't ever, uh, hesitate to go to the ER. And I laid in bed that night and I literally had to get up and start walking around because I was falling apart. I was hysterical that I was going to die the next afternoon. I had no hope whatsoever and I had been so positive up until that night that I could do this. And I just, like you, said the vortex that they get you in when you sit there and nothing against you because they're just giving you know. They can't give you false hope um so they're.

Tami Barber: 27:13

They're real with you, but they also have not been through it, which is why I I started this podcast, because I thought, wow, I'm being treated by people who don't know how I feel.

Trish Kifer: 27:25

Yeah.

Tami Barber: 27:26

And I'm going to you know right and it's it's.

Trish Kifer: 27:32

You know, I've told this to my husband lots, because it's just, I said you have doctors and they have their specialty and it's to get the cancer and they're very good at that. Yeah, but a lot of times they're so good at that they forget about it. They're so good at getting that that they forget that they're killing out our immune system, the very thing that needs to be alive and well so that it can remind the body to go. Oh, you know, hey do your job. So we just need our doctors to kill the cancer just enough so our immune system can kick in and go. Oh, if I knew that was there the whole time, I would have done my job. But for some reason things get missed and those cancers are sneaky and they just want to take you out and so, you know, a lot of times it's just like a. A lot of doctors are just like they do their job very well.

Trish Kifer: 28:26

But then what's great about, yeah, the other, the other doctors, the, you know, the integrative or their naturopathic or or you know even ones that are doing immunotherapies, or just you know just other therapies, um, uh, with, with the conventional stuff. That's where we're going to help our immune system and that's where we're going to. You know our quality of life during treatment and after treatment, or that's. You know why I like the word thrive is because I don't want to just survive this.

Tami Barber: 28:59

No. I want to I love saying thriver and and share with us, trish, also, as you have with me, about just what they figure out at a tumor board. Yeah, they have to know who's in here. You know, this is Trish, this is Tammy, and if they're not on board, there's others. And that's where you have to be the advocate and you have to make a decision. Maybe this one I'm really grateful, but you know what it's. I feel a hesitation and I can't feel any hesitation right now to be a thriver, so tell us about your, your little team.

Tami Barber: 30:04

I love your team.

Trish Kifer: 30:05

I love my team and we all play together nicely on the playground, which is so cool I love that we take turns at the swing.

Trish Kifer: 30:13

Yes, you know, I think their egos are out of the way and they just truly care. They see me as a person. They don't see me as just you know. Not, you know just a patient or a number or a statistic. I'm a person to them and that's another thing that I got from Dr Nasha is just, we're the CEO of our health. We get to decide who's at the table and from the get-go, I have really been honored and fortunate to have doctors that communicate and you know, just saying, okay, you're doing this, all right, I'm fine with that, you know, and they're all on board. They're all on board.

Tami Barber: 30:59

I finally found that myself and, wow, what, what a joy inside of me not to feel like well, I don't know if I should say this or not, you know. No, I found the same thing everyone's playing well together, everyone is. And I am a person and I get to say, like you said, you stopped in the middle of chemo and went on your trip. I've done the same thing. I've said you know what this is, this is good, but I've got something really important. And he says go live.

Trish Kifer: 31:33

Yeah.

Tami Barber: 31:33

You work really really hard, Go live.

Trish Kifer: 31:36

Yeah.

Tami Barber: 31:37

I love that.

Trish Kifer: 31:39

Yeah, it is, it's beautiful, it's, it's. It's an amazing feeling to have where you're not hiding anything from your doctors. The one thing that we all know, if we've been in this long enough, is people prey on people that are fearful and are in cancer and there's just a lot of stuff out there, and so that's one thing he goes. I just don't want you to get bamboozled or just taken advantage of thing he goes. I just don't want you to get bamboozled, you know, or just taken advantage of, because I, you know, on the metabolic side of things, I'll just list, you know, I did, the high dose, vitamin C, the hyperbaric chamber, um, mistletoe, um, the fasting lifestyle, the um, you know, intermittent fasting and the fasting, and the ketogenic and high carb and the fasting and the ketogenic and high carb I'm sorry, low carb, high fat, moderate protein, right, you know? And just and just, I just stayed away from seed oils and sugars and grains, mainly like it's, it's.

Trish Kifer: 32:41

Sometimes it's just so hard and I always just tell people like those three things, like seed oils, like the canola oil and the soybean oil and the grapeseed oil, or it's, maybe it's better to say there are three oils to use, like coconut oil, olive oil and avocado oil, those are good ones.

Trish Kifer: 32:57

All the other stuff, just yeah, we don't really you know. So it's just, it's like a, it's a dance and sometimes things you know and as we, as we heal and as we feel better, and then we just learn something more. And not to get overwhelmed with so much information, but just to take it in in like little steps, like I'm, you know, like I'm taking Tammy, I was like like okay, there's all this information, but we're gonna do these three things first and we're just, you know the book and you know two other things, and then we'll come back to the table and talk, you know, and then we'll um go the next, you know the next couple things, but you know just taking me through it with little baby steps so that I don't go blah, blah, blah, blah blah, which we have a tendency to do, especially if you're already inundated on the other side with all the infusions and the this and the that and not feeling good.

Tami Barber: 33:59

And so, yeah, I appreciate that.

Trish Kifer: 34:01

Yeah, well, it's like you know, baby steps make big changes. Or you know, small steps make big changes. And to be sustainable, when we get overwhelmed that's another thing I don't do overwhelm anymore and I'm aware of that and like just my heart and my mind and body, I'm like, oh, I'm getting overwhelmed, okay, and I just have that awareness and I know how to you know, step away from that being overwhelmed, which is a huge thing.

Tami Barber: 34:33

I'm much nicer to myself since cancer, much nicer.

Trish Kifer: 34:38

We should be, and I wish it was. You know we did that before you know you know we did that before.

Tami Barber: 34:52

You know, we did it before in the uh super duper marathon way and now we have to do it in the okay, what?

Trish Kifer: 34:58

is reality way, yep yeah, no, yeah.

Tami Barber: 35:04

so, trish, what you're I think you're saying, and what I'm learning from you is that we are whole. We're not a cell that's traveling through our bodies. We are not a PET scan or a CAT scan or a blood draw. We are compiled of little miracles inside of our body. Our body wants to heal, we want to heal. Our body wants to heal. We are miracles.

Tami Barber: 35:41

Our little body is a little miracle that, no matter how much they try, they cannot clone. So take your miracle and open your heart and your mind and your abilities to absorb different things. Don't go down one hole and never come back. Stay balanced. Everything must be in balance. Stay balanced. Everything must be in balance. And that includes what I had to learn. Being a overachiever workaholic always got to be moving, I had to learn. You had chemo yesterday, you are.

Tami Barber: 36:24

I kept having to say I'm allowed to say I'm allowed to rest today. I'm allowed. That was in my head. I'm allowed to rest today. No, I'm going to rest today because my body wants me to and I'm going to embrace what my body wants.

Tami Barber: 36:39

I have this mindset of just go, go, go go. You'll win if you, if you keep going. You win if you keep going. And I read that sometimes too go, go, go. You'll win if you keep going. You'll win if you keep going. And I read that sometimes too, where it says you know, just keep going, keep going, always push. Well, there's days I'm just not going to push. And I have a friend, sadly, that I just recently lost in the last two weeks who we have all said what an amazing woman she was because she was not afraid to say today's not a good day. I'm taking today for myself. Thank you for texting, thank you for calling, and I'll get back to you and you I will. But yeah, today's a struggle, not today's a struggle. Oh, my god, I've been in bed for no, today's a struggle tomorrow will be better, yeah, and I I'm learning a lot from her too.

Tami Barber: 37:39

Um, I learned a lot to be to be okay with all that. Um, I learned a lot to be to be okay with all that.

Trish Kifer: 37:46

Yeah, and that's you know where we, you, you see all this like you wouldn't get cancer. And then, and it's I'm learning so much where people are, just like you know you'll fight this, you'll get this. And you know you're strong and and I said, yes, I said, but I never fought it, I embraced it because it was a part of me and I just said you know what little cells, little cancer cells, you're doing something that's hurting me and I need you to go. Thanks, you know. So I, I embraced it with love and I didn't fight it, I just and I kept going.

Trish Kifer: 38:19

And then I realized such strength in resting. You know where I am strong, strength in resting. You know where I am strong, but there's also in so much strength in in resting and going. I know I'm strong and I know, but there's, I know I'm, you know, have that strength in the rest time too. Um, because our bodies are just, we need to cause it. I mean, think about it, we go, go, go. There is no that rest and recovery time. Because I mean, think about it, we go, go, go. There is no that rest and recovery time. Right, you know, just like the lunaris and like the sun and the moon.

Trish Kifer: 38:50

You know, the sun is out, we go, and there's a reason even they rest right they just there's just their cycles, and where there were meant to go and we're meant to rest, and when, when we burn out you know the candles at both ends and we're not resting, something's going to pop and that's right.

Tami Barber: 39:12

That's right. So is there anything else you can think that you want to share that you, prior to us getting together today, you thought, oh, I want to make sure that I include this because there's so much, oh my gosh. There's so much, oh my gosh, there is so much we could talk about. And and I will have Trish on again because, um, as I go through my journey with her, um, I want to share that with y'all and be completely honest of how, whether I'm struggling with it or I'm finding, you know, good results, and just how it's working for me, because I know we all have questions about certain things. You know, and this isn't the medicine man, this isn't the. I'm going to sell you a magic potion. I feel that, with this approach, I am taking control. Okay, I love how that sentence ended with control and apparently I have lost all control.

Tami Barber: 40:15

We are at the end of my conversation with Trish, but somehow, in the abyss of the Bermuda Triangle of podcasts, my closing with Trish was lost. But it's okay, because Trish is coming back and I just want to tell you all if you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to Trish especially. She is the expert on this I am still learning. So for Trish and myself, I'm going to say thank you so very much for stopping by. And if you didn't hear it in the beginning and you're still here, first of all, thank you and, second of all, subscribe, like, send me a message. I want to talk to you. Oh my gosh, can you believe that? Nicely done, miss. Anyway, y'all have a great week and we'll see you soon. Bye-bye, no-transcript.

Trish Kifer: 48:29

Yes, it's so many, so many people are thriving and living with cancer. You know, and you find that Goldilocks, like really, like I said at the beginning, like we just want to get it enough where our immune system can take over, and it just it takes, it takes that research, it takes that advocacy and it just it takes, it takes that research, it takes that advocacy, it takes that vulnerability of, like, what I need spiritually, mentally and physically. And because you I mean, as we all know, your brother's dog's owner's roommate will tell you that they took this special like tea from wherever and they're cured Right Right. Tea from wherever and they're cured right right. And I'm just like, no, it's the supplements and all those things that people say work.

Trish Kifer: 49:18

You have to. You know, um, you have to research it for your own body and you know, and it might be something. But know, you go talk to your team and you just say you know what this, um, I want, I want to investigate you know this supplement and how you know if you're depleted. You ask your doctor to take that test, like, say, to vitamin D or vitamin A, or you know your your beat, just go, can we test for these and see where my nutrients are?

Tami Barber: 49:49

um you know. So that's what so overlooked. You are giving blood all the time and nothing is about nutrients, vitamins and sustainability. It's all um platelets, red cells, white cells, white cells, green cells, purple cells. Oh, I know what I want you to share. We're talking about how you built your team. Trish doesn't live where all these doctors all live in one spot. Trish has doctors from across the United States. It's possible to do in this day and age. Your doctor doesn't have to be down the street. Tell me about your doctors that are out of state that you still work with.

Trish Kifer: 50:35

So I found. So I have a conventional oncologist, dr Guttenpahle. He's down in Aurora, which is an hour south of where I live, and then I have my doctor, my general practitioner. She is homeopathic, eastern Western medicine and she's here and she's very well versed in cancer care.

Trish Kifer: 50:54

And then I have Dr Dudley, who he is in Tennessee and he used to be a conventional oncologist and then he went to naturopathic, integrative, um, and what's great is like um dr dude, dr um dudley studied under dr naysha winters and I, like you know, so he's kind of like you know, metabolic kind of approach and knows kind of that side of things, and so he and my doctor here, my general practitioner, they talk like if there's anything that I need, he just says, oh, you know, they kind of work as a team and then if I need to get anything ordered or you know, since he's in Tennessee, they have, you know, the legalities and license.

Trish Kifer: 51:41

He's not licensed in Colorado, so they work together and then she orders what we need to order, and then she orders what we need to order. But fortunately, like I really haven't talked, you know, to Dr Guttenpahle and I haven't needed him at all for a couple of years now and it's just because my Dr Guttenpahle and you know my Colorado doctors they team up and they talk and you know. So yeah, but yeah, that's how it's, that's how you know it kind of. You know they can do telehealth and you know that kind of thing. So that's how I have my little team.

Tami Barber: 52:25

Yes, and don't be afraid, excuse me, to initiate that. And again, like I said, if you get a hesitation from one that doesn't want to work with someone else that you trust and believe in, then, um, you have rights.

Trish Kifer: 52:41

Yeah, it's like you, you, yeah, yeah, you interview your person um and you you know that they work for you. Yeah.

Tami Barber: 52:50

And when you find that right one. You'll be like me. You'll be just like where have you been? All my cancer, yeah, yeah.

Trish Kifer: 52:58

Yeah.

Tami Barber: 53:00

I love it, Trish, and again I'm going to have Trish's information in the show notes. Trish Kiefer from Colorado.