Trail Team Challenge | Ep. 18

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In this episode of Overland Weekly, we’re diving deep into the Trail Team Challenge, an exciting off-road endurance event that tests skills in navigation, marksmanship, mechanical recovery, teamwork, and more! Joining us is Mark Lawson, the mastermind behind the challenge and owner of The Jeep Lab in Tampa, Florida.

Mark shares the origins of the event, its unique blend of challenges, and how it fosters a community of passionate off-roaders. From blindfolded driving (yes, you read that right!) to staged mechanical recoveries and precision marksmanship, the Trail Team Challenge is an event like no other.

This episode is packed with insights into building an inclusive off-road competition, the importance of giving back to the community through partnerships with organizations like Tread Lightly, and the possibility of expanding the event to new locations. Plus, Mark drops an exciting teaser about a potential Trail Team Challenge TV show in the works!

🔧 Topics Covered:

• History and evolution of the Trail Team Challenge
• Memorable challenges, including the Bird Box Challenge
• Tips for preparing your rig and gear
• Building community through off-road events
• The role of sponsors and partnerships

🎥 Whether you’re a Jeep fanatic, a Toyota enthusiast, or just love the thrill of off-roading, this episode has something for you. Tune in, and don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe for weekly overland adventures and insights!

Transcript

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All right, there we go.

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Hey folks, if you are watching,

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looks like we got a couple here.

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We're going to give it just

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a couple more minutes and

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see if we can get a few

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more folks to trickle in

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and we will get this thing started.

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You can go ahead and let me

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know in the chat if you are here.

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Hey, if you're joining us,

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we're going to give it just

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a couple of minutes here

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and see if we can get a few

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more folks in and then we

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will get this rolling.

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All right, it's two minutes.

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I'm going to go ahead and roll the intro.

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back.

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This is Overland Weekly,

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episode number eighteen.

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So it's only been maybe a

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little less than a week

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since we got the last

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episode out with Jeff.

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I know a lot of you guys enjoyed that.

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I've been trying to get Jeff

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on for a while and we

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finally made that happen.

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So tonight I have Mark Lawson.

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from Trail Team Challenge joining me,

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Florida Trail Team.

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Is it Florida Trail Team

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Challenge or just Trail Team Challenge?

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Yes and no.

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So we're dropping kind of

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the Florida because for

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some reason people are like, oh,

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it's just a Florida thing.

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It's absolutely not.

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We've had teams from all over the country.

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So we're kind of going with

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the Trail Team Challenge.

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Gotcha.

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So,

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let me give you guys a little backstory.

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I've got a friend,

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we've got a mutual friend,

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Mr. Ray Towner.

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And Ray's a phenomenal guy.

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And I'll pull up a picture of Ray,

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my favorite picture that I've got here.

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Let's see if I can double click this.

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There we go.

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There's Ray.

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Okay.

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This was at G Smith or up at Windrock.

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And, and anyhow,

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Ray messaged me a few weeks

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ago and was like, Hey,

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I'm involved with this

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trail team challenge event.

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And it's really cool,

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but not as many people know

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about it as they need to.

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And you need to get them on

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the show and talk about it.

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And,

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you know,

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just do your thing and you can't

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turn down Ray.

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So I said, you know, absolutely.

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So, so he introduced me to Mark and,

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and here we are tonight.

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So thank you, Ray, for,

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for lining this up and kind

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of getting this show to happen.

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So, Mark, before we dive into the event,

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let's,

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let's give people a little bit of

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background about yourself and,

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I always want to know about

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your personal rig,

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your personal wheeling setup,

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but I found out that you've actually,

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this is what you do professionally.

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You've got a shop in Tampa,

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Florida called the Jeep Lab.

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So I have a feeling you may

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have more than one project

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that's rolling around.

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Tell us a little bit about

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the Jeep Lab and also about

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your current build.

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Yeah.

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So the Jeep lab started in

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February of two thousand eighteen.

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So we've been up and running for a while.

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I've been a staple in the community.

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Really enjoyed that.

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Pretty much do everything but motor swaps.

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I don't really get into that

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or transmission stuff.

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But, you know, anything new and old we do.

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And it is just me.

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It's a smaller shop.

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Jumping out to do this was

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really more about just

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enjoying life and honestly

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getting a way to go to more

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off-roading events and do

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more off-roading without

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those two weeks a year or

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having to ask your boss for time off.

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It's like, man,

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I can bust my tail and then

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I can close up shop for a

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month and go to Moab if I want to.

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So it's really a quality of

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life thing when I decided

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to really go into this and

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do it full time.

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But yeah,

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I've been up and running for a

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few years and love it.

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Right now at the shop,

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I've got one of my rigs.

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Yeah, I've had quite a few.

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I actually just offloaded a couple FCs,

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believe it or not.

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We had two of them and let

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those go here yesterday.

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just too many projects

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sometimes um so uh and

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right now I've got my uh tj

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that I've had since the

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early two thousands okay um

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it's cut in half right now

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with a couple pallets of

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moto built parts sitting on

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the ground ready to go to

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you know four link uh some

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oris some forty threes um

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so yeah full full buggy

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with that one um like I

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said I've had it for a long

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time and was just kind of like

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right it's ready for the

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next step I've enjoyed it

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as is for a while so let's

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just go down the rabbit

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hole with that and then uh

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my daily driver I've got a

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gladiator um okay nice and

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pretty simple lift thirty

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seven some nice moto belt

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fenders bumpers winches I

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mean still can get the job

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done if it wants to but uh

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that's just my reliable

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daily driver it looks good

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for the shop so wife has a

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jeep mom has a jeep sister

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has a jeep aunt has a jeep

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So yeah, we've all got Jeeps.

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So it's in your blood.

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This is a family thing.

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Yeah.

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It is.

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It is.

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Gotcha.

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Well, yeah.

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When you say, you know,

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just a simple lift and thirty sevens,

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it makes all the Toyota

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guys a little jealous

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because it's a little more

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than a simple lift to get

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the thirty sevens on there.

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Well,

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the mom does have a Tacoma that she

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really loves in her voodoo blue.

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And the sister who drives a

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Jeep actually works for a

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Toyota dealership.

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So we've got some Toyotas and

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I don't want to go down the rabbit hole,

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but I've had some issues

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with my Gladiator recently.

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Three motors in.

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Every time I go see my

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sister at the dealership,

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I've been eyeing those new Land Cruisers.

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I always said if I wasn't a Jeep guy,

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I would be in a Toyota for sure.

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I'm not going to dive into

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all my thoughts on the new

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Land Cruiser or if it's a

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Land Cruiser or only a Land

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Cruiser and badge only,

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but they're sharp.

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They're

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An interesting platform.

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All right.

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So the trail team challenge,

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I believe this was the

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third year of the event.

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So give us a little bit of

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historical background of

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how this came to be and how

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you came to be involved in

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it as the director now.

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Well,

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so I used to compete in some similar

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events and I really enjoyed them.

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Just kind of my thing.

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And I think the Trail Team

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Challenge just comes down

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to being a well-rounded, you know,

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off-roading, off-roading etiquette,

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you know, someone who will lead,

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someone who will spot,

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someone who will help when

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repairs need to be done,

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someone that'll leave it

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better than they found it type mentality.

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And there was an event back in... Fifteen,

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sixteen, I want to say.

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You know,

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pre-COVID called Thirty Six Hours

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of Uari.

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I don't know if you've ever heard of that.

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So I competed a couple of years of that.

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So it kind of is a spinoff of that.

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They did like a little bit

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of military into it.

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You know,

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they're making you all wear uniforms and,

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you know,

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yelling if people are late and push ups.

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And and honestly,

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when you start to look around,

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most of us were former

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military and we're all like,

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we're done with this.

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Like,

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can we just go compete if these guys

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don't want to get out of their tent?

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They're just not going to get points.

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So I kind of took that out of it, again,

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to make it really similar

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to me and you loading up in

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our rig and going for a

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multi-day off-road wheeling event.

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And, you know, when that happens,

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you plan what your route, you know,

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using navigation,

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you're going to bring some spare stuff,

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you know,

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maybe some stuff that's more

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common to break or you're

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going to bring your food.

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You're going to bring whatever your,

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you know,

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camping setup is and you're

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going to go out and enjoy the outdoors.

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And unfortunately,

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sometimes stuff happens.

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And are you the type of

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person that's able to fix

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it and continue on and not

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let it ruin the trip, you know,

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or are you the kind that's

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going to sit there and just, you

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wave down AAA to come get you and go home.

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And it is what it is, you know,

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that's not me.

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So with taking the thirty six hours,

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you are doing my own spin on it,

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coming up with my own

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challenges and ideas.

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That's what kind of just

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came up with the trail team challenge,

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because when you are just kind of stop,

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I don't know the backstory

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of what happened and why

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they didn't continue.

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I know some leadership had

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passed and whatnot.

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So I don't know if the

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passion wasn't there anymore or what.

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But

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Um, you know,

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I didn't see anything else like it.

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I was always trying to find something.

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I'm like, you know what,

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if you don't find it,

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why not do it yourself?

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And that's the tough part is

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because I host it now, but man,

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it just kills me to not be

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able to compete myself

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because it is truly like

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what I want to be doing.

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Yeah,

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it's people don't realize it's it's

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fun to to organize and do

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the leadership and get

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everybody there and see

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everybody else having a good time.

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But then sometimes you do

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those things and you're like, dude,

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my truck's not even muddy.

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Like I hadn't even been on a

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trail all week.

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So, yeah, yeah, I get it.

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All right.

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So you talked about it's

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kind of a multifaceted off-road event.

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You've got different skill sets involved.

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So give us kind of, I guess,

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the elevator pitch on the

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different events within the competition.

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Talking about the different

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ones is kind of tough

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because we don't want to

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really give out all the

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challenges because no one

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knows what they are leading up to it.

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I kind of consider it like

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the ultimate off-road

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endurance challenge.

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You can't come in.

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We'll see people in the

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off-road industry that have

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a lot of money.

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They've been successful in other things.

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They come in and they buy

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this hundred and fifty

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thousand dollar rig that a

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shop did a very well job in.

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they go out, they wheel, they break,

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they get stuck all the time

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and you're like, okay,

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you got more money than sense, right?

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Or you've got someone that

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goes out there in a stock

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know jeep rubicon maybe and

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can wheel the crap out of

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it you know and has

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experience and has

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knowledge of their vehicle

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you know or you're just out

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wheeling and you know you

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may not have the best in

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the biggest rig but you're

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a team player to where if I

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snap an axle shaft you're

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right there with me handing

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me tools we're getting the

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shaft out we're getting it

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plugged in or putting a new

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one in and we're back on

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the trail and we're

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high-fiving and you know

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getting back to camp and

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now we've got a story to tell

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So basically we break it

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into seven categories for

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the trail team challenge.

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So navigation is one.

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We'll get into that some a

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little bit more.

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Marksmanship is actually one of them,

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which I know is kind of

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interesting when people

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hear about marksmanship,

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but that ties into the

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survival type stuff.

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So, you know,

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if you're out there and

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something really bad

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happens and you're really

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out in the middle of nowhere,

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you've got to go into

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survival mode to a certain point,

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you know,

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depending on how prepared you are.

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Um, we've got first aid, uh,

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and that's for yourself, but also, um,

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the type of people or type

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person I am and the crews

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that I go out with, you know,

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if we're out on the trail

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and we get waved down and say, you know,

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it's an injured hiker and they're like,

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Hey man,

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my buddy just fell in this cave

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over here.

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Yes, we have caves in Florida.

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Um, you know, can you come help?

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Absolutely.

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I'm the type that would

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absolutely let me grab what I got.

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Let's go see what we can do to help you.

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Um, so we've got that in there.

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obviously anything with

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off-road is recovery you

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know whether you're getting

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stuck whether we're

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simulating different

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situations to help other

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people or yourself and then

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mechanical again if you

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break down stuff happens

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can you fix it can you keep

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going and then we do some

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precision driving obviously

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you're off-roading your

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wheeling so we throw that

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in there too so those are the main core

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I guess,

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categories of challenges that we

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throw at them.

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And the way we do it is we

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give them a set of coordinates.

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So there's a over forty five

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different coordinates for the weekend.

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So just like, again,

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me and you plan our map of

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our trail over the weekend.

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We're going here to here to here to here.

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And then when they get to a

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set of coordinates,

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they're read a script and

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they have no idea what it is.

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Okay.

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When they get there.

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Oh, okay.

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Just like me and you,

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we're out wheeling and we

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blow a drive shaft.

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You're, you joined the drive shaft.

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We didn't know that was going to happen.

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Right.

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Right.

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We do the same thing to them.

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They don't know what any of

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these challenges are.

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Okay.

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And when they get there,

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they get read a script.

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So they'll say, Hey, you know,

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I'm here for challenge.

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Yep.

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You're at challenge.

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Here's the script, you know,

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and I'll use the drive

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shaft one that I just used.

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Your drive shaft just blew out.

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You've got to fix a U joint.

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Um, time starts when, you know,

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you open your door,

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time ends when you're back

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in your vehicle, you know,

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and the U joint is signed

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off by the volunteer and

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we're not going to make

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them pull out their, their drive shaft.

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We're going to provide them

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with a drive shaft.

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We're going to provide them with a U joint,

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you know, anything specialty.

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Um, but yeah, it's,

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All right.

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Ready?

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Go.

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You know,

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and then we'll do something like

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that that is timed would be, you know,

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first place team with the

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fastest time gets this many points.

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And then every time after

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that gets a reduction of, you know,

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so many points.

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And then whoever has the

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most points at the end of

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the weekend wins.

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I got you.

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OK, so we got a comment from a.

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Army Truck Josh says,

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he's Josh from Team Eight, says,

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it's like an endurance

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challenge where everything

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goes wrong but intentionally.

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So I think that describes it.

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It is the best worst

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wheeling weekend ever.

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The best, the best, worst.

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Yeah.

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And we do try to, you know,

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if you really break down

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some of the challenges, you know,

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on the planning side,

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we have to find a balance of, you know,

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time in the vehicle,

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time outside of the vehicle, you know,

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mentally challenging,

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physically challenging.

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stuff because you can't just

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go out there and just

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annihilate these guys

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physically and ladies physically,

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you know,

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that's just not going to be fun.

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That's kind of pointless.

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So we do want them to be in the vehicle.

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We do want them to off-road drive.

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We do want them to do some recovery stuff.

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And then there's a lot of

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teamwork that plays into it as well.

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to where team dynamics is

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very interesting out there

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and also seeing the teams

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interact with one another

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once the weekend starts to

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progress and they get to meet each other,

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talk to each other towards

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the evening when they're

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actually in the St.

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Mary's.

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Yeah, I was going to ask,

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you're in your third year of this now.

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And have you seen any

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specific kind of team

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qualities or strengths,

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personalities that you kind

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of recognize on the front end?

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Oh,

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these guys are going to work well

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together.

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This is a good team.

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Honestly, that is tough.

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That is tough to read any of these teams.

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Because because I think just

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the type of people that it

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pulls is just an awesome

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category of people.

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Like it is the people who

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aren't going to give up.

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It is the people who truly

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are passionate and have fun

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being off road and outside

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in the wilderness.

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So, you know,

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everybody is really having a good time.

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You know,

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they're in the past or maybe have

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been one, two team is like, I don't know.

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But, you know,

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we do communicate with them

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leading up to the event.

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We do try to answer as many

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questions without giving

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all the secrets away so

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that they are a little bit

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in the mindset of it.

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But, you know, at the end of the day,

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people who are here to

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challenge themselves and

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compete aren't the type

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they're just going to give

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up and have a negative attitude.

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They're the ones who are

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going to overcome all the

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time and they're going to enjoy it.

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And then they're going to

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have that story to tell.

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So, you know,

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the people that show up

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usually just end up being awesome people.

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I mean,

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my little community has grown just

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by hosting this event.

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You know,

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now I find myself wheeling with

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some of the former teams

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and the volunteers, even, you know,

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we see each other at events.

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We had a big event this past weekend.

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I wasn't able to make it to,

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but I saw a couple of teams.

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Now they were all camping together,

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hanging out, wheeling together.

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And a couple of weeks ago,

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they didn't even know each other.

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Awesome.

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Yeah.

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That's what makes all these

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community events so much fun.

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Right.

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Um, so what about, uh,

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You talked earlier about you

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could have a guy out there

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in a stock truck or a guy

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that spent a hundred and

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fifty grand and had a shop build it out.

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Are there vehicle

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requirements slash

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restrictions in the same with with gear?

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Talk a little bit about what's required.

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Sure.

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So we give them a minimum equipment list.

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And that stuff we do use

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throughout the weekend.

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So that's why it's a minimum.

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And I keep stressing minimum

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because you can bring

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anything and everything you want.

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We're not trying to tell you,

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you got to play within

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these parameters here on this.

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No,

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if this is what you carry on a normal

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trip,

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by all means, bring it.

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If you're comfortable with

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this equipment and you've

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used it and you're familiar with it,

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bring it.

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No one's going to stop you

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at a trailhead and say, no,

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you can't bring that stuff with you.

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Again,

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we're trying to be real life with it.

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If you're the guy that wants

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to carry an extra

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And that is one thing that's

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interesting because we have

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had repeat teams.

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We've had volunteers that

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have become challengers,

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challengers that now volunteer.

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And when I talk to some of the teams,

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I'm like, oh,

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you guys packed a little

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differently this year, huh?

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And they're like, oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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We're a lot lighter this year.

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You know,

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we now we know a little bit more

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what to expect.

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But, you know,

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and as far as the rigs go to

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the five hundred pounds,

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we keep it to midsize vehicles.

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So we're talking your four runners,

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your Tacomas, your Broncos,

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your Wranglers, the Gladiators,

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even the Gladiator we had this year.

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He was pretty big.

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I mean,

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we do limit it to forty inch tires.

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And it does have to be a

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street legal vehicle because we do use,

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you know, highways.

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We do use streets.

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You've got to have insurance.

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And that's not anything against, you know,

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any other, you know,

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side by sides or buggies or anything.

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It's just, again,

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we are the trail team challenge.

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We're not the bounty hill challenge.

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You know, we're not the side by side,

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whatever, whatever.

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And, you know, hey,

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if we get this built up and

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we're consistently doing

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twenty is kind of our max, you know,

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If we're doing twenty every time,

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I don't mind open this up to, you know,

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maybe a side by side

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category or a larger full size vehicle.

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You know,

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but let's just stick to the core

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right now.

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Build that up.

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Get them that momentum going.

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And then we can talk about

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other categories down the road because,

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you know, there are options for that.

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Gotcha.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I know you and I had talked

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about this earlier that

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it's primarily been a lot

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of Jeeps and that's what

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your business is.

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That's kind of what your friend group was.

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But to stress again, folks, this is open.

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If you're listening to this,

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we're recording this or

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actually streaming this live tonight,

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but you may be listening to

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this months from now

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because the next event

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won't happen again until next October,

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I assume.

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Was staying in October or is

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that changing?

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I think we're going to try

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to go back to February.

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The hurricanes really did us

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in unless we go to a new

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location out of state,

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which is a possibility too.

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Okay.

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Well,

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you can check on their website to see

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the latest when you're listening to this.

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But what I want to stress is

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it's not just a Jeep event.

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Bring your Toyotas, bring your Broncos,

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anything that's street

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legal and forty inch tires

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or less and come out and join this event.

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All right.

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So we talked about the vehicles.

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We talked about the gear.

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And I know, like you said,

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you don't want to give away

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the kind of the secret

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sauce of different things.

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But is there a memorable challenge,

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maybe one that's not going

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to be repeated from past

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years that even kind of

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exceeded your expectation,

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like something you dreamed

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up and then you were like, oh,

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this was really cool, this scenario?

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I'll give this one away

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because even if we do this again,

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you still can't... Prepare for it.

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You could, I guess,

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but the terrain changes it.

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So we have what we call the

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bird box challenge.

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The driver is blindfolded.

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They have to listen to the

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spotter through a course.

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Ah, okay.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And again,

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that's where I go back to the

00:21:20.337 --> 00:21:22.500
teamwork is...

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just to see their face going, wait, what?

00:21:26.691 --> 00:21:28.290
Like I'm going to be blindfolded.

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Yes.

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You have to trust your teammate.

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You have to trust your

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spotter beyond a reason of doubt.

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Like, yes, absolutely.

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And I'll say, you know, again,

00:21:39.333 --> 00:21:40.373
the people that I usually

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end up out with no questions asked,

00:21:42.492 --> 00:21:43.292
they would put a blindfold

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on in a second if I worked with them,

00:21:44.673 --> 00:21:46.473
you know, but for some of these teams,

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they've never done that, you know,

00:21:47.973 --> 00:21:49.855
and you'll see the personalities as well,

00:21:49.894 --> 00:21:51.714
that the driver may be the alpha,

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you know, and,

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And the co-pilot takes up the backseat.

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So you never know.

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We might make you switch.

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Okay.

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Because you're out on the trail.

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Heaven forbid I... Yeah, you get injured.

00:22:04.468 --> 00:22:04.667
Right.

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I get injured.

00:22:05.809 --> 00:22:06.509
I eat something.

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Allergic reaction.

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Co-driver's got to get me

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out of here and go somewhere.

00:22:10.094 --> 00:22:10.674
Well,

00:22:10.694 --> 00:22:11.955
does the co-driver know how to drive

00:22:11.996 --> 00:22:13.417
stick if you've got a manual vehicle?

00:22:14.102 --> 00:22:14.301
You know,

00:22:14.342 --> 00:22:15.522
those are things that you should

00:22:15.542 --> 00:22:16.423
be thinking about when

00:22:16.443 --> 00:22:17.484
you're going out on the trails.

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And so we really try to just

00:22:20.127 --> 00:22:21.930
dig into some experiences,

00:22:21.970 --> 00:22:23.191
some scenarios we've heard

00:22:23.290 --> 00:22:24.873
out there and put that in there.

00:22:24.893 --> 00:22:26.134
But the Bird Box one, man,

00:22:26.193 --> 00:22:27.515
even the volunteers love it.

00:22:28.115 --> 00:22:29.217
And we do it.

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They go off camber.

00:22:31.338 --> 00:22:32.759
We've got some really technical stuff.

00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:34.521
We put them through to where, I mean,

00:22:34.561 --> 00:22:35.423
blindfolded.

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A one-foot drop doesn't feel

00:22:37.384 --> 00:22:38.703
like a one-foot drop.

00:22:41.404 --> 00:22:42.885
To make them go off camber

00:22:43.066 --> 00:22:44.787
and be blindfolded,

00:22:46.126 --> 00:22:47.387
that one is really fun.

00:22:47.407 --> 00:22:48.887
The volunteers love seeing that,

00:22:49.229 --> 00:22:50.348
hearing because it's a lot

00:22:50.368 --> 00:22:51.490
of verbal communication,

00:22:51.890 --> 00:22:53.190
hearing the comments and

00:22:53.210 --> 00:22:54.431
the banter back and forth.

00:22:55.731 --> 00:22:57.434
It's like those YouTube

00:22:57.454 --> 00:22:58.576
videos where they've got

00:22:58.616 --> 00:22:59.557
somebody standing in a

00:22:59.597 --> 00:23:01.080
chair and blindfolded and

00:23:01.101 --> 00:23:01.801
they think that they're

00:23:01.842 --> 00:23:02.782
actually standing like on

00:23:02.803 --> 00:23:05.326
the side of a building about to jump.

00:23:05.346 --> 00:23:05.667
That is it.

00:23:05.708 --> 00:23:05.968
Yeah.

00:23:07.130 --> 00:23:07.691
That is it.

00:23:09.614 --> 00:23:10.394
I like that.

00:23:11.315 --> 00:23:11.875
That's cool.

00:23:12.575 --> 00:23:14.075
There used to be more kind

00:23:14.115 --> 00:23:15.976
of for fun events like that.

00:23:16.016 --> 00:23:18.856
And unfortunately,

00:23:18.977 --> 00:23:19.656
I think a lot of the

00:23:19.717 --> 00:23:22.077
legality police have gotten

00:23:22.097 --> 00:23:22.978
that at some events.

00:23:22.998 --> 00:23:23.898
So I'm glad to hear that you

00:23:23.919 --> 00:23:25.318
guys are still able to pull it off.

00:23:25.838 --> 00:23:26.019
Yep.

00:23:26.378 --> 00:23:27.380
That's my favorite so far.

00:23:29.943 --> 00:23:33.045
Our friend of the show, Mike Johnson says,

00:23:33.164 --> 00:23:34.125
I might actually drive

00:23:34.246 --> 00:23:35.486
better with a blindfold.

00:23:36.746 --> 00:23:37.066
Mike,

00:23:37.807 --> 00:23:39.967
I started to start this episode with

00:23:40.686 --> 00:23:44.948
your video from VDR last week, your flop,

00:23:45.107 --> 00:23:47.009
but I'll save that for another day.

00:23:47.028 --> 00:23:49.650
So I'll agree with that statement for now.

00:23:52.147 --> 00:23:52.528
All right.

00:23:52.928 --> 00:23:56.369
So let's talk about let's talk guns.

00:23:56.411 --> 00:23:56.971
Let's talk about the

00:23:57.010 --> 00:23:59.692
marksmanship aspect of this.

00:24:00.712 --> 00:24:02.773
How does that how does that work?

00:24:02.814 --> 00:24:07.037
How does that work logistically?

00:24:07.797 --> 00:24:09.518
I'm assuming you guys are providing

00:24:11.500 --> 00:24:12.700
firearms or the ammo or

00:24:12.900 --> 00:24:14.000
whatever is going down or

00:24:14.080 --> 00:24:15.201
people bringing that what's

00:24:15.701 --> 00:24:17.361
what's the story there okay

00:24:17.401 --> 00:24:19.561
so we do do marksmanship um

00:24:19.642 --> 00:24:20.582
and I do want to say that

00:24:20.622 --> 00:24:21.781
marksmanship doesn't just

00:24:21.842 --> 00:24:24.143
mean guns okay fair right

00:24:24.923 --> 00:24:26.363
um we did do guns this year

00:24:26.563 --> 00:24:29.324
um we do ask uh no one is

00:24:29.683 --> 00:24:31.223
is bringing any weapons um

00:24:31.243 --> 00:24:32.523
during the event anything

00:24:32.624 --> 00:24:33.785
specialty like that is

00:24:33.845 --> 00:24:35.785
provided for them um we

00:24:35.944 --> 00:24:37.105
used an actual range

00:24:37.144 --> 00:24:39.365
facility with range masters

00:24:39.665 --> 00:24:40.726
um our volunteers

00:24:41.346 --> 00:24:43.109
met with the range prior to,

00:24:44.051 --> 00:24:45.976
to make sure that all the safety stuff,

00:24:45.996 --> 00:24:47.920
we've provided eyes, we've provided ears.

00:24:48.280 --> 00:24:49.502
The targets were set up in a

00:24:49.542 --> 00:24:51.227
fashion away from the

00:24:51.267 --> 00:24:52.608
general public that happened to be there.

00:24:53.385 --> 00:24:55.067
The range, you know,

00:24:55.126 --> 00:24:56.268
had them sign the waivers

00:24:56.288 --> 00:24:56.827
and they went through a

00:24:56.887 --> 00:24:59.329
safety briefing prior to shooting.

00:24:59.769 --> 00:25:01.631
So we pretty much, you know,

00:25:01.651 --> 00:25:02.612
crossed all our T's and

00:25:02.672 --> 00:25:03.732
dotted all our I's.

00:25:04.553 --> 00:25:05.673
And the range that we use,

00:25:05.713 --> 00:25:08.415
the outpost range in Lakanto, I mean,

00:25:08.435 --> 00:25:09.115
I don't know if you're ever

00:25:09.155 --> 00:25:10.936
down in Florida and you're into that.

00:25:11.317 --> 00:25:12.738
That is one of those beautiful range.

00:25:12.758 --> 00:25:14.098
That's like a mini bash pro.

00:25:14.159 --> 00:25:15.099
It is nice.

00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:17.560
And they actually offer everything there.

00:25:17.621 --> 00:25:19.762
So they were super easy to work with.

00:25:19.863 --> 00:25:21.604
And again, we kept it super simple too.

00:25:22.163 --> 00:25:24.665
This year we did pistol and we did rifle.

00:25:24.826 --> 00:25:25.566
We kept it at that.

00:25:25.586 --> 00:25:27.287
So that was two different challenges.

00:25:27.426 --> 00:25:28.167
One day it was pistol,

00:25:28.248 --> 00:25:29.048
one day it was rifle.

00:25:29.488 --> 00:25:31.890
But like last year, we had a gentleman,

00:25:32.029 --> 00:25:35.571
Eric Peralt, who was on Forged in Fire.

00:25:35.652 --> 00:25:36.972
He actually made

00:25:37.461 --> 00:25:39.281
throwing axes and throwing

00:25:39.301 --> 00:25:40.863
knives that we did for

00:25:40.903 --> 00:25:42.003
marksmanship last year.

00:25:42.344 --> 00:25:43.765
And then he custom made a

00:25:43.805 --> 00:25:44.986
pair of knives that went to

00:25:45.006 --> 00:25:46.307
the winners last year as

00:25:46.406 --> 00:25:47.807
one of the many prizes that they got.

00:25:48.008 --> 00:25:49.709
So we're always switching it up.

00:25:49.749 --> 00:25:50.269
So that's why I said

00:25:50.308 --> 00:25:51.990
marksmanship doesn't just mean gun.

00:25:52.411 --> 00:25:53.790
So there there's a variety

00:25:53.810 --> 00:25:55.092
of things that could be done out there.

00:25:55.352 --> 00:25:56.913
And we tie that back to the survival.

00:25:57.294 --> 00:25:59.335
You know, I know Florida is not so much,

00:25:59.375 --> 00:26:00.576
but when you're out in the desert,

00:26:00.715 --> 00:26:01.576
you could be out there for

00:26:01.596 --> 00:26:02.196
a couple of days.

00:26:03.075 --> 00:26:03.775
Yeah, sure.

00:26:03.835 --> 00:26:05.256
You start running out of supplies.

00:26:05.977 --> 00:26:06.836
Last resort, man,

00:26:06.896 --> 00:26:07.596
I'm going to do what I got

00:26:07.616 --> 00:26:09.218
to do to to survive.

00:26:10.499 --> 00:26:11.799
Yeah.

00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:12.079
You know,

00:26:12.099 --> 00:26:13.800
speaking of Florida and I know

00:26:14.080 --> 00:26:15.320
it's possible the event may

00:26:15.622 --> 00:26:17.643
may move or try different locations.

00:26:17.742 --> 00:26:19.983
But for folks that haven't

00:26:20.523 --> 00:26:22.164
wheeled in Florida before,

00:26:22.704 --> 00:26:24.026
kind of give us a lay of

00:26:24.046 --> 00:26:24.967
the land down there,

00:26:24.987 --> 00:26:26.326
because my my only

00:26:26.366 --> 00:26:28.188
experience in Florida is

00:26:28.268 --> 00:26:30.950
like the around the

00:26:31.843 --> 00:26:33.663
like the Destin-Thirty-A area,

00:26:34.345 --> 00:26:35.526
there's a state forest over

00:26:35.546 --> 00:26:37.207
there that I've managed to

00:26:37.247 --> 00:26:38.607
wonder myself into when the

00:26:39.008 --> 00:26:40.269
family's down there vacating.

00:26:40.648 --> 00:26:42.329
But give us kind of what the

00:26:42.369 --> 00:26:43.191
terrain looks like.

00:26:43.990 --> 00:26:44.330
Yeah,

00:26:44.351 --> 00:26:46.192
so Florida is a lot of just state

00:26:46.212 --> 00:26:48.493
forest roads, nothing too crazy.

00:26:48.513 --> 00:26:49.154
We've got...

00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:51.960
We've got some private off-road parks,

00:26:52.161 --> 00:26:53.820
which is kind of where we go to.

00:26:54.621 --> 00:26:55.621
Florida being big on the

00:26:55.661 --> 00:26:56.842
limestone back in the day,

00:26:57.281 --> 00:26:59.102
there's a couple of limestone quarries.

00:26:59.582 --> 00:27:01.942
Mosaic is a big sulfur.

00:27:02.843 --> 00:27:04.144
They're constantly dredging

00:27:04.163 --> 00:27:04.923
and they're leaving some

00:27:04.963 --> 00:27:06.923
land to be acquired,

00:27:06.963 --> 00:27:08.484
to be used for different things.

00:27:09.752 --> 00:27:09.913
You know,

00:27:09.932 --> 00:27:10.753
there's people that have just

00:27:10.794 --> 00:27:12.935
gone and had thousands of acres and,

00:27:13.056 --> 00:27:14.797
you know, been passionate off-roaders.

00:27:15.198 --> 00:27:16.238
Like Old Florida was a

00:27:16.278 --> 00:27:17.859
location we used last time.

00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:19.480
And that was just privately

00:27:19.540 --> 00:27:20.662
owned property where they

00:27:20.682 --> 00:27:22.343
had a great team of volunteers that

00:27:23.140 --> 00:27:25.721
went and built, you know, sand traps built,

00:27:25.942 --> 00:27:28.203
you know, mountains built hills built,

00:27:28.403 --> 00:27:28.683
you know,

00:27:28.763 --> 00:27:30.164
using culverts and rocks they

00:27:30.265 --> 00:27:32.286
pulled in from quarries or, you know,

00:27:32.346 --> 00:27:33.586
culverts from construction

00:27:33.626 --> 00:27:35.409
jobs and telephone poles to,

00:27:35.808 --> 00:27:37.589
to make crazy climbs and whatnot.

00:27:38.310 --> 00:27:39.711
Um, so, uh,

00:27:39.731 --> 00:27:40.711
before that there was another

00:27:40.751 --> 00:27:41.752
place called the Jeep ranch.

00:27:41.772 --> 00:27:43.153
We used our first year that

00:27:43.193 --> 00:27:45.035
was just next to a quarry as well.

00:27:45.134 --> 00:27:47.196
So little bit of elevation there.

00:27:47.217 --> 00:27:49.057
Um, you know, but,

00:27:49.967 --> 00:27:51.127
With what we're doing,

00:27:52.409 --> 00:27:53.869
things like blindfolding,

00:27:54.190 --> 00:27:57.672
we're able to make stuff simple,

00:27:57.892 --> 00:27:59.973
really hard by doing what we do.

00:28:01.980 --> 00:28:02.539
the biggest,

00:28:02.721 --> 00:28:04.761
the biggest challenge is the layout,

00:28:04.801 --> 00:28:05.481
the land, the,

00:28:05.623 --> 00:28:06.603
what we're using and where

00:28:06.623 --> 00:28:07.284
we're doing it at.

00:28:08.023 --> 00:28:09.025
And we've actually changed

00:28:09.085 --> 00:28:10.526
every single year, the location.

00:28:10.566 --> 00:28:11.987
So that's brought its own challenges,

00:28:12.446 --> 00:28:13.228
but that's kept the

00:28:13.268 --> 00:28:14.969
returning teams on their toes.

00:28:14.989 --> 00:28:17.851
And it's made it, you know, fair,

00:28:18.250 --> 00:28:19.852
fair play for kind of everybody.

00:28:20.413 --> 00:28:22.273
But, you know, there, there is a,

00:28:22.294 --> 00:28:23.234
there's a park up in the

00:28:23.275 --> 00:28:24.736
Northeast that heard about

00:28:24.776 --> 00:28:26.396
our event and was like, Hey,

00:28:26.416 --> 00:28:27.397
can you come do that here?

00:28:27.438 --> 00:28:28.979
And I'm like, well, I can, you know,

00:28:29.358 --> 00:28:30.559
unfortunately I don't,

00:28:31.075 --> 00:28:32.256
have the network up there

00:28:32.276 --> 00:28:33.277
that I have down here.

00:28:34.478 --> 00:28:35.018
And, you know,

00:28:35.097 --> 00:28:36.298
I couldn't do it without my

00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:37.941
I kind of say my army of volunteers.

00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:40.383
We had seventy five volunteers this year.

00:28:40.403 --> 00:28:41.364
We basically put two

00:28:41.384 --> 00:28:43.545
volunteers at every challenge.

00:28:43.645 --> 00:28:45.166
You know, they're out there all day long,

00:28:45.586 --> 00:28:46.327
so we're not going to leave

00:28:46.347 --> 00:28:47.328
them out there by themselves.

00:28:47.368 --> 00:28:47.929
You know, something happens.

00:28:47.949 --> 00:28:48.209
But anyway,

00:28:48.229 --> 00:28:49.830
so there's two volunteers per challenge.

00:28:50.391 --> 00:28:51.432
I've got a media team

00:28:51.492 --> 00:28:52.753
floating around getting all

00:28:52.794 --> 00:28:53.575
the media stuff.

00:28:53.734 --> 00:28:55.037
I've got medical team

00:28:55.396 --> 00:28:56.278
floating around the whole

00:28:56.317 --> 00:28:57.859
time with medical staff.

00:28:58.621 --> 00:28:59.602
And then you've got, you know,

00:28:59.961 --> 00:29:02.204
myself and my volunteer coordinator,

00:29:02.545 --> 00:29:03.266
my head of media,

00:29:03.326 --> 00:29:05.788
my head of medical that are, you know,

00:29:05.828 --> 00:29:07.590
kind of overseeing everything.

00:29:08.374 --> 00:29:10.817
Um, but you know, the lay of the land is,

00:29:11.117 --> 00:29:12.599
isn't the best, you know,

00:29:12.619 --> 00:29:14.402
compared to Tennessee

00:29:14.461 --> 00:29:17.164
compared to Moab compared to Pennsylvania,

00:29:17.204 --> 00:29:17.726
but we,

00:29:17.786 --> 00:29:19.648
we make do with it and it's challenging.

00:29:19.949 --> 00:29:20.950
It is challenging still.

00:29:21.009 --> 00:29:22.152
So.

00:29:22.211 --> 00:29:24.615
No, uh, like you said, I mean, it's, it's,

00:29:27.010 --> 00:29:27.991
maybe that's part of why it

00:29:28.031 --> 00:29:29.973
works is it's not just a

00:29:30.054 --> 00:29:31.434
wheeling event that you've

00:29:31.474 --> 00:29:33.276
got all these facets that

00:29:33.476 --> 00:29:34.998
you can incorporate there and,

00:29:35.597 --> 00:29:36.898
and take an area that's not

00:29:36.959 --> 00:29:38.259
traditionally challenging

00:29:38.361 --> 00:29:39.582
and you put a blindfold on

00:29:39.622 --> 00:29:41.222
and it gets challenging real quick.

00:29:41.542 --> 00:29:41.722
Yeah.

00:29:41.782 --> 00:29:42.763
I mean, for marksmanship,

00:29:42.824 --> 00:29:43.984
I don't need the side of a

00:29:44.005 --> 00:29:45.365
mountain for first aid.

00:29:45.507 --> 00:29:47.627
I don't need, you know, a bounty Hill,

00:29:47.888 --> 00:29:48.288
you know,

00:29:48.328 --> 00:29:50.230
so I'm able to take for

00:29:50.290 --> 00:29:51.230
precision driving.

00:29:51.330 --> 00:29:52.833
I'm able to take for recovery.

00:29:53.272 --> 00:29:53.432
You know,

00:29:53.472 --> 00:29:54.814
I can flip a vehicle on its side

00:29:54.854 --> 00:29:55.474
anywhere I want.

00:29:56.080 --> 00:29:57.603
And you got to write it over, you know,

00:29:57.643 --> 00:29:58.743
like I can,

00:29:58.924 --> 00:29:59.925
I can make you do reverse

00:29:59.965 --> 00:30:02.188
wenching anywhere in,

00:30:02.308 --> 00:30:03.430
in any kind of obstacle and

00:30:03.470 --> 00:30:04.730
make it challenging for you.

00:30:05.031 --> 00:30:05.352
And again,

00:30:05.392 --> 00:30:06.953
that's what was us reading on the script.

00:30:06.973 --> 00:30:09.176
We can take a very open area

00:30:09.237 --> 00:30:10.818
and make it very challenging for you.

00:30:11.398 --> 00:30:13.781
Um, and just kind of by simulating, um,

00:30:14.143 --> 00:30:14.323
and.

00:30:15.373 --> 00:30:16.013
it would probably be a

00:30:16.034 --> 00:30:17.095
little bit more challenging too,

00:30:17.134 --> 00:30:18.616
if we were on the side of a, you know,

00:30:18.656 --> 00:30:19.678
a hill up in Winrock or

00:30:19.718 --> 00:30:20.438
something like that.

00:30:20.618 --> 00:30:22.701
But safety wise,

00:30:23.622 --> 00:30:24.462
I feel a little bit more

00:30:24.502 --> 00:30:25.483
comfortable because I'm not

00:30:25.523 --> 00:30:26.744
really putting them in as

00:30:26.785 --> 00:30:28.287
much jeopardy maybe as I

00:30:28.307 --> 00:30:29.909
would in some of those other situations,

00:30:29.949 --> 00:30:31.109
because, you know,

00:30:31.150 --> 00:30:32.490
I've seen some other events

00:30:32.912 --> 00:30:34.594
going on and I've kind of like,

00:30:35.233 --> 00:30:36.635
looked at them to see how we

00:30:36.655 --> 00:30:37.997
could maybe incorporate it.

00:30:38.037 --> 00:30:39.298
But there's an event down

00:30:39.337 --> 00:30:39.959
here where they're just

00:30:40.058 --> 00:30:41.359
sending people through the mud.

00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:42.801
They're just sending people

00:30:42.842 --> 00:30:43.442
through the water.

00:30:43.521 --> 00:30:45.463
Three teams are hydro locking their motor,

00:30:45.845 --> 00:30:46.164
you know,

00:30:46.484 --> 00:30:47.806
in the first night of the event.

00:30:47.826 --> 00:30:48.267
And I'm like,

00:30:50.196 --> 00:30:52.900
not really what I'm trying to do, you know,

00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:55.682
like purposely just destroy rigs.

00:30:56.142 --> 00:30:56.482
You know,

00:30:56.982 --> 00:30:58.243
that's what you've got the ultra

00:30:58.263 --> 00:30:58.964
four guys for.

00:30:59.005 --> 00:30:59.605
That's what you've got

00:30:59.664 --> 00:31:01.507
bounty Hill paying out five,

00:31:01.547 --> 00:31:02.667
ten K for like,

00:31:02.708 --> 00:31:03.808
that's that type of stuff.

00:31:04.209 --> 00:31:06.070
Trail team challenge, you know,

00:31:06.131 --> 00:31:07.672
week is really for anywhere

00:31:07.711 --> 00:31:10.494
at any time around the country.

00:31:10.515 --> 00:31:10.875
Gotcha.

00:31:10.894 --> 00:31:10.934
Um,

00:31:12.897 --> 00:31:13.919
Let's talk about the

00:31:14.619 --> 00:31:16.381
navigation part of it.

00:31:16.441 --> 00:31:17.201
First question.

00:31:17.382 --> 00:31:21.244
Now, is this a base camp type event?

00:31:21.305 --> 00:31:22.486
Are you sleeping at the same

00:31:22.506 --> 00:31:23.326
place every night?

00:31:23.467 --> 00:31:25.108
You go do the challenges and come back?

00:31:25.489 --> 00:31:26.349
Yes, exactly.

00:31:26.390 --> 00:31:29.092
So we do give them a limited area.

00:31:29.231 --> 00:31:29.592
And again,

00:31:29.612 --> 00:31:30.573
we're not trying to have people

00:31:30.593 --> 00:31:31.933
pull up with pop-up campers.

00:31:32.535 --> 00:31:32.714
Again,

00:31:32.734 --> 00:31:34.056
the mindset is that you're in the

00:31:34.096 --> 00:31:35.798
rig for multi-day and you're going

00:31:36.137 --> 00:31:37.718
You know, because it is an event,

00:31:37.758 --> 00:31:38.398
we don't want to have to

00:31:38.439 --> 00:31:39.979
make them reset every single time.

00:31:40.038 --> 00:31:42.460
But once they check in and they get,

00:31:42.500 --> 00:31:42.859
you know,

00:31:43.259 --> 00:31:44.400
all their equipment checked and

00:31:44.420 --> 00:31:45.359
everything gone and they do

00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:46.221
set up a base camp,

00:31:46.260 --> 00:31:47.320
it's a ten by ten area.

00:31:47.601 --> 00:31:49.240
So it's not massive, but, you know,

00:31:49.280 --> 00:31:50.241
ten by ten area,

00:31:50.382 --> 00:31:51.902
their vehicle parks right in front of it.

00:31:52.221 --> 00:31:53.143
They can come back to that

00:31:53.163 --> 00:31:54.343
camp as much as they want

00:31:54.363 --> 00:31:55.202
throughout the weekend.

00:31:56.002 --> 00:31:56.702
I see.

00:31:56.722 --> 00:31:57.923
So they can do that and then

00:31:57.943 --> 00:31:58.824
they stay there at night,

00:31:59.203 --> 00:32:00.284
go back out the next day,

00:32:00.324 --> 00:32:01.424
compete and then come back.

00:32:01.444 --> 00:32:02.085
Yeah.

00:32:02.184 --> 00:32:02.424
Yeah.

00:32:03.029 --> 00:32:04.332
And so as far as the

00:32:04.392 --> 00:32:06.233
navigational challenge

00:32:06.334 --> 00:32:08.256
aspects without giving anything away,

00:32:08.816 --> 00:32:13.821
is this all, can you bring a GPS?

00:32:13.842 --> 00:32:15.343
Can you use digital equipment?

00:32:15.683 --> 00:32:16.924
Is it all paper maps?

00:32:16.964 --> 00:32:17.746
How's that all work?

00:32:18.446 --> 00:32:18.707
No.

00:32:18.727 --> 00:32:19.688
So we're again,

00:32:19.728 --> 00:32:20.827
we're keeping with the times.

00:32:20.887 --> 00:32:22.028
We're letting the teams use

00:32:22.067 --> 00:32:23.189
whatever they want to use,

00:32:23.229 --> 00:32:24.429
whatever they're familiar with,

00:32:24.449 --> 00:32:25.589
whatever they're comfortable with,

00:32:25.630 --> 00:32:26.309
whatever they're going to

00:32:26.490 --> 00:32:28.131
use next weekend as soon as

00:32:28.151 --> 00:32:29.010
they leave the trail team

00:32:29.030 --> 00:32:29.810
challenge and they want to

00:32:29.830 --> 00:32:31.412
go hit the road.

00:32:31.432 --> 00:32:31.912
So, yeah,

00:32:31.951 --> 00:32:33.032
we're trying to be as friendly

00:32:33.272 --> 00:32:33.692
and really.

00:32:34.477 --> 00:32:35.178
Let them use whatever

00:32:35.198 --> 00:32:35.998
they're comfortable with.

00:32:36.598 --> 00:32:37.980
There's nobody, you know,

00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:39.521
I'm not going to bring in a sponsor and,

00:32:39.561 --> 00:32:41.282
hey, you guys got to use this, you know,

00:32:41.343 --> 00:32:42.845
just to have them as a sponsor.

00:32:42.865 --> 00:32:44.665
It's like you're using OnX

00:32:44.686 --> 00:32:45.707
and you're using Gaia and

00:32:45.727 --> 00:32:46.587
you're using Avenza and

00:32:46.607 --> 00:32:47.669
that's what you're familiar with.

00:32:47.970 --> 00:32:48.650
That's what you're going to

00:32:48.730 --> 00:32:49.490
use next week when you go

00:32:49.530 --> 00:32:50.832
wheeling so you can use it.

00:32:51.011 --> 00:32:51.353
Now,

00:32:51.873 --> 00:32:53.855
I will say because we use the State

00:32:53.875 --> 00:32:54.615
Forest here,

00:32:55.135 --> 00:32:57.417
the State Forest recommends Avenza.

00:32:57.818 --> 00:33:00.141
That is the most updated map.

00:33:00.401 --> 00:33:02.362
um we did tell all the teams

00:33:02.382 --> 00:33:03.201
that you do need to have

00:33:03.221 --> 00:33:04.701
avenza and you at least

00:33:04.741 --> 00:33:05.762
need to reference it

00:33:06.063 --> 00:33:06.903
throughout the weekend

00:33:07.063 --> 00:33:08.663
right because you know we

00:33:08.703 --> 00:33:09.763
have to respect all the

00:33:09.804 --> 00:33:11.345
laws all the rules all the

00:33:11.384 --> 00:33:13.005
correct trails and you know

00:33:13.045 --> 00:33:13.744
some people that were like

00:33:13.765 --> 00:33:14.625
well what do you mean mark

00:33:14.705 --> 00:33:16.066
and I said well look here's

00:33:16.145 --> 00:33:17.906
on x see where this says

00:33:18.027 --> 00:33:19.686
this that's not a trail

00:33:19.727 --> 00:33:20.867
anymore that's a ticket

00:33:21.407 --> 00:33:23.548
You know, like nothing against Onyx,

00:33:23.608 --> 00:33:24.949
but that's not the most up

00:33:24.969 --> 00:33:27.349
to date current for this

00:33:27.490 --> 00:33:28.790
facility that we're using.

00:33:29.451 --> 00:33:30.652
That's a wonderful point.

00:33:31.291 --> 00:33:32.211
And we deal with the same

00:33:32.251 --> 00:33:34.893
thing as do events around the country.

00:33:34.972 --> 00:33:36.534
But when we do our events at

00:33:36.574 --> 00:33:38.094
Windrock and people say,

00:33:38.755 --> 00:33:42.096
what's the best navigational app?

00:33:42.135 --> 00:33:43.695
The best navigational app is

00:33:43.736 --> 00:33:45.057
the one that is most up to

00:33:45.096 --> 00:33:47.377
date for where you are at the time.

00:33:47.637 --> 00:33:47.778
Right.

00:33:48.496 --> 00:33:49.636
Yeah,

00:33:49.737 --> 00:33:51.239
and I've got all of them on my phone

00:33:51.278 --> 00:33:53.180
and some have perks over

00:33:53.220 --> 00:33:53.881
here and some don't.

00:33:53.901 --> 00:33:55.522
But at the end of the day,

00:33:55.542 --> 00:33:56.544
we made it very clear.

00:33:56.644 --> 00:33:58.265
I'm a Tread Lightly trainer myself.

00:33:58.746 --> 00:34:00.487
So we're here on behalf of Tread Lightly.

00:34:01.567 --> 00:34:02.449
All the teams,

00:34:02.608 --> 00:34:03.789
all the volunteers take the

00:34:03.809 --> 00:34:05.132
Tread Lightly one-on-one course.

00:34:05.672 --> 00:34:06.012
Again,

00:34:06.752 --> 00:34:08.135
Florida Off-Road Foundation is

00:34:08.175 --> 00:34:09.096
sponsoring this event.

00:34:09.536 --> 00:34:11.097
We're here to promote

00:34:11.217 --> 00:34:12.980
certain aspects to being an

00:34:13.019 --> 00:34:14.581
off-roader in the community.

00:34:14.922 --> 00:34:16.583
The last thing I want is us

00:34:16.623 --> 00:34:17.684
to be off trail where we're

00:34:17.704 --> 00:34:18.646
not supposed to be doing

00:34:18.686 --> 00:34:20.407
what we're not supposed to do.

00:34:20.889 --> 00:34:23.170
So Avenza is kind of the default,

00:34:23.210 --> 00:34:24.152
but we do let them use

00:34:24.472 --> 00:34:25.554
whatever they're comfortable with.

00:34:27.010 --> 00:34:28.092
Well, yeah,

00:34:28.112 --> 00:34:29.414
talk a little bit more about

00:34:29.735 --> 00:34:31.177
Tread Lightly and how you

00:34:31.197 --> 00:34:33.001
got involved with them.

00:34:33.201 --> 00:34:35.164
Were you doing Tread Lightly

00:34:35.204 --> 00:34:36.547
prior to the event or did

00:34:36.586 --> 00:34:37.949
it come about once you kind

00:34:37.989 --> 00:34:39.190
of started putting the event together?

00:34:39.231 --> 00:34:39.992
How'd that work out?

00:34:41.539 --> 00:34:43.621
So back to the Thirty-Six Hours of Uari,

00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:45.101
I met Danielle,

00:34:45.141 --> 00:34:46.822
who was one of the heads of

00:34:46.882 --> 00:34:48.503
Tread Lightly.

00:34:48.684 --> 00:34:50.085
Great, great individual.

00:34:50.706 --> 00:34:51.887
I learned then about the

00:34:51.947 --> 00:34:53.967
organization and just

00:34:53.987 --> 00:34:55.509
something with it stuck with me.

00:34:56.230 --> 00:34:58.231
A part of the Thirty-Six Hours of Uari,

00:34:58.692 --> 00:34:59.972
I really liked the fact

00:35:00.012 --> 00:35:02.753
that we did do some posts

00:35:02.773 --> 00:35:03.675
in the ground with some

00:35:03.715 --> 00:35:04.936
railing because some trails

00:35:04.976 --> 00:35:06.237
were being made that

00:35:06.637 --> 00:35:08.217
or in areas they weren't supposed to be.

00:35:09.057 --> 00:35:10.139
And that was actually a part

00:35:10.179 --> 00:35:10.898
of their event as well.

00:35:10.918 --> 00:35:12.059
It was like, hey, when we do our event,

00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:13.380
we're going to find a way to give back.

00:35:13.780 --> 00:35:14.880
And since that stuck with me,

00:35:14.900 --> 00:35:15.601
it was the same thing.

00:35:15.681 --> 00:35:16.260
I got home,

00:35:16.521 --> 00:35:17.862
I looked more into Tread Lightly,

00:35:18.762 --> 00:35:20.101
got more involved with it,

00:35:20.702 --> 00:35:21.623
and always said, okay,

00:35:21.663 --> 00:35:22.804
that's going to be my thing too.

00:35:22.903 --> 00:35:24.804
Every time we have a trail team challenge,

00:35:25.103 --> 00:35:26.905
we're going to find a way to give back.

00:35:27.324 --> 00:35:29.985
Now, in the past, unfortunately,

00:35:30.005 --> 00:35:31.266
our first year at Jeep Ranch,

00:35:32.273 --> 00:35:33.293
They were getting bought out

00:35:33.454 --> 00:35:34.994
and we were the last event they ever had.

00:35:35.195 --> 00:35:36.697
So we didn't get to do too much there,

00:35:36.757 --> 00:35:37.476
which was really sad

00:35:37.496 --> 00:35:38.958
because everybody really loved that part.

00:35:39.878 --> 00:35:40.840
The next year we did old

00:35:40.860 --> 00:35:42.440
Florida off road again,

00:35:42.501 --> 00:35:43.481
another private park.

00:35:43.601 --> 00:35:44.902
But they were in the process

00:35:44.963 --> 00:35:47.344
of making a memorial trail

00:35:47.425 --> 00:35:48.425
like a veterans trail.

00:35:48.726 --> 00:35:50.228
So they had different services,

00:35:50.268 --> 00:35:51.608
the flags throughout the trail.

00:35:52.228 --> 00:35:53.429
And during that event,

00:35:53.570 --> 00:35:56.192
the teams actually helped make that trail,

00:35:56.532 --> 00:35:57.594
create that trail,

00:35:57.853 --> 00:35:59.835
decorate the trail so that

00:35:59.855 --> 00:36:01.356
that was there for future events.

00:36:02.391 --> 00:36:05.813
And then when this year came up, again,

00:36:05.855 --> 00:36:07.094
being a Tread Lightly trainer,

00:36:07.675 --> 00:36:10.378
I was in a meeting with Don Cox, who is,

00:36:10.498 --> 00:36:11.958
we kind of call him our

00:36:11.998 --> 00:36:13.460
Florida Tread Lightly leader,

00:36:13.860 --> 00:36:14.481
even though I don't think

00:36:14.521 --> 00:36:15.460
it's an official title,

00:36:15.501 --> 00:36:17.543
but he has taken Tread Lightly,

00:36:18.382 --> 00:36:19.003
a friend of mine.

00:36:19.523 --> 00:36:20.844
who I introduced to the program.

00:36:21.164 --> 00:36:23.005
But again, he has taken it and just,

00:36:23.065 --> 00:36:24.286
he was ambassador of the year,

00:36:24.626 --> 00:36:25.686
I think a year or two ago

00:36:25.726 --> 00:36:26.387
for Tread Lightly.

00:36:26.427 --> 00:36:28.047
So he's at every event now

00:36:28.088 --> 00:36:29.228
doing Tread Lightly stuff.

00:36:29.268 --> 00:36:31.730
So again, Don, thank you so much.

00:36:31.789 --> 00:36:34.851
But was on a meeting with Don, myself,

00:36:35.331 --> 00:36:36.512
Lowell from Tread Lightly

00:36:36.612 --> 00:36:37.952
and the Florida with

00:36:37.972 --> 00:36:39.393
Lucucci management area staff.

00:36:39.994 --> 00:36:40.494
And there had been an

00:36:40.574 --> 00:36:42.195
ongoing project about

00:36:42.295 --> 00:36:43.496
signage in the forest.

00:36:44.389 --> 00:36:47.291
So, you know, being in tread lightly, no,

00:36:47.331 --> 00:36:48.434
I'm not like a snitch.

00:36:48.514 --> 00:36:50.235
No, I'm not like a tree hugger.

00:36:50.835 --> 00:36:52.237
I kind of take it as I'm

00:36:52.257 --> 00:36:52.878
really there to be the

00:36:52.918 --> 00:36:54.179
voice of the off-road community.

00:36:54.641 --> 00:36:54.920
Right.

00:36:55.661 --> 00:36:55.882
Sure.

00:36:56.503 --> 00:36:56.682
You know,

00:36:56.702 --> 00:36:58.144
if you're going into these parks,

00:36:59.260 --> 00:37:01.860
and Avenza is your preferred app,

00:37:02.221 --> 00:37:03.862
why is that not posted somewhere?

00:37:03.981 --> 00:37:05.922
Why is that not easily accessible?

00:37:06.422 --> 00:37:07.302
I shouldn't have to go to a

00:37:07.364 --> 00:37:09.003
website to click find print,

00:37:09.043 --> 00:37:10.724
to go to this link, to go to that link,

00:37:11.144 --> 00:37:12.186
just to find out the map

00:37:12.206 --> 00:37:13.146
that I need to be using.

00:37:13.166 --> 00:37:15.827
And then me and Don had talked about that.

00:37:15.907 --> 00:37:16.567
So, you know,

00:37:16.586 --> 00:37:18.288
Don came up with this sign project.

00:37:19.148 --> 00:37:21.009
So the state actually, you know,

00:37:21.088 --> 00:37:23.710
funded the signs, the actual kiosks,

00:37:23.769 --> 00:37:24.230
they call them.

00:37:24.891 --> 00:37:25.971
They have a set of prisoners

00:37:25.990 --> 00:37:27.391
that built them up in Tallahassee.

00:37:28.271 --> 00:37:29.853
And Florida Off-Road

00:37:29.873 --> 00:37:32.695
Foundation donated to Tread

00:37:32.755 --> 00:37:34.277
Lightly the funds to print

00:37:34.356 --> 00:37:35.978
the actual signs themselves

00:37:36.557 --> 00:37:37.539
and also to rent the

00:37:37.579 --> 00:37:38.860
equipment from Sunbelt

00:37:39.260 --> 00:37:40.141
because we had to use an

00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:41.882
auger to get down in the ground.

00:37:41.902 --> 00:37:43.804
We had to use a crane to

00:37:43.884 --> 00:37:45.304
lower the roofs down on them.

00:37:47.005 --> 00:37:49.108
So in that meeting with Don, we were like,

00:37:49.148 --> 00:37:49.487
hey,

00:37:50.108 --> 00:37:52.250
like the timeline is kind of lining

00:37:52.309 --> 00:37:54.391
up perfect for the trail team challenge.

00:37:55.532 --> 00:37:57.172
it's in the exact area we're

00:37:57.193 --> 00:37:58.072
going to be using.

00:37:59.333 --> 00:38:01.074
Can I give you all the staff

00:38:01.094 --> 00:38:03.516
and the volunteers to get this done?

00:38:04.096 --> 00:38:06.717
And they were like, Oh yeah, actually.

00:38:06.797 --> 00:38:07.137
Okay.

00:38:07.237 --> 00:38:08.398
So, um,

00:38:08.418 --> 00:38:09.777
with Lucucci wildlife management

00:38:09.878 --> 00:38:10.639
area has a couple of

00:38:10.659 --> 00:38:11.518
different properties.

00:38:11.938 --> 00:38:13.579
Croom is one of them.

00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:14.641
So what we did is we got

00:38:14.681 --> 00:38:16.001
together a bunch of volunteers.

00:38:16.460 --> 00:38:17.282
We did want a couple of

00:38:17.302 --> 00:38:18.862
weeks before all the hurricanes hit,

00:38:19.782 --> 00:38:21.684
basically figured out our plan,

00:38:21.724 --> 00:38:22.423
our strategy,

00:38:22.463 --> 00:38:23.545
the equipment that we needed

00:38:23.585 --> 00:38:24.505
to have on site.

00:38:25.231 --> 00:38:26.110
And a couple of those

00:38:26.150 --> 00:38:27.891
volunteers were then the

00:38:27.972 --> 00:38:29.373
lead during the actual

00:38:29.393 --> 00:38:30.913
Trail Team Challenge event.

00:38:31.393 --> 00:38:33.074
And we installed three

00:38:33.114 --> 00:38:34.795
different signs during the

00:38:34.815 --> 00:38:35.894
Trail Team Challenge event

00:38:36.295 --> 00:38:37.275
for the Withlacoochee

00:38:37.295 --> 00:38:38.496
Wildlife Management Area on

00:38:38.536 --> 00:38:39.936
behalf of the Florida

00:38:39.996 --> 00:38:41.536
Off-Road Foundation and

00:38:41.577 --> 00:38:43.137
Tread Lightly through the

00:38:43.157 --> 00:38:43.858
Trail Team Challenge.

00:38:44.690 --> 00:38:45.050
Cool.

00:38:45.530 --> 00:38:47.152
No, that's very cool.

00:38:47.231 --> 00:38:47.532
Yeah.

00:38:48.452 --> 00:38:49.114
Tread lightly.

00:38:49.755 --> 00:38:50.514
We're big fans.

00:38:50.554 --> 00:38:51.496
We're a business member.

00:38:51.896 --> 00:38:53.597
We had Mike from Tread

00:38:53.637 --> 00:38:55.460
Lightly on the show here

00:38:55.500 --> 00:38:57.021
talking all things Tread Lightly.

00:38:57.081 --> 00:38:58.663
So I'm right there with you.

00:38:58.722 --> 00:38:59.903
It's really cool to see all

00:38:59.923 --> 00:39:02.106
the resources come together,

00:39:02.146 --> 00:39:02.987
especially getting those

00:39:03.027 --> 00:39:03.927
big donations because

00:39:03.967 --> 00:39:04.788
getting that equipment

00:39:04.829 --> 00:39:07.271
rented and stuff is not cheap, not cheap.

00:39:07.802 --> 00:39:08.141
Yeah.

00:39:08.601 --> 00:39:10.123
And, you know, the state has stuff,

00:39:10.242 --> 00:39:12.503
but I kind of joke.

00:39:12.563 --> 00:39:13.063
It's like, well,

00:39:13.083 --> 00:39:14.304
Timmy only works the second

00:39:14.344 --> 00:39:15.264
Wednesday of the month and

00:39:15.284 --> 00:39:17.224
he's the only one certified for that.

00:39:17.605 --> 00:39:18.726
And Billy is the one who

00:39:18.786 --> 00:39:19.606
operates the truck and the

00:39:19.646 --> 00:39:21.246
trailer and he only works, you know,

00:39:21.626 --> 00:39:23.286
and it's just like, oh, my God.

00:39:23.327 --> 00:39:24.788
So they're never going to all be together.

00:39:25.887 --> 00:39:26.469
You call up,

00:39:26.728 --> 00:39:28.628
call up all Florida Off-Road

00:39:28.668 --> 00:39:30.030
Foundation and tread lightly and say, hey,

00:39:30.050 --> 00:39:32.550
guys, what can we do to get this done?

00:39:32.911 --> 00:39:34.251
And they go, let's go, Mark.

00:39:34.291 --> 00:39:34.650
Here you go.

00:39:34.710 --> 00:39:35.311
Here's a support.

00:39:35.492 --> 00:39:35.871
Let's do it.

00:39:36.757 --> 00:39:37.737
Yeah.

00:39:37.798 --> 00:39:39.458
Speaking of the Florida

00:39:39.539 --> 00:39:40.400
Off-Road Foundation,

00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:41.940
let me pull this one up.

00:39:42.001 --> 00:39:44.041
This is their license plate.

00:39:44.081 --> 00:39:45.262
If you're a Floridian,

00:39:45.722 --> 00:39:47.422
you can get this tag.

00:39:48.143 --> 00:39:49.583
But they were, I believe,

00:39:49.623 --> 00:39:51.885
your title sponsor for this year.

00:39:51.905 --> 00:39:52.686
Is that correct?

00:39:53.045 --> 00:39:53.806
Yes, they were.

00:39:53.885 --> 00:39:55.367
So the Florida Off-Road

00:39:55.407 --> 00:39:57.628
Foundation basically has

00:39:57.668 --> 00:39:58.608
these tags that have been

00:39:58.648 --> 00:39:59.989
available now a couple years.

00:40:00.009 --> 00:40:01.190
You know how that tag stuff works.

00:40:01.230 --> 00:40:03.090
You got to pre-fill so many.

00:40:03.150 --> 00:40:03.731
So many of them.

00:40:04.090 --> 00:40:04.231
Yeah.

00:40:04.251 --> 00:40:06.032
And then the money goes into, you know,

00:40:06.072 --> 00:40:07.512
back to the community, basically,

00:40:07.813 --> 00:40:08.454
it's told, you know,

00:40:09.034 --> 00:40:10.775
x amount for marketing x amount,

00:40:10.835 --> 00:40:13.235
I believe, for, you know, um, you know,

00:40:13.295 --> 00:40:14.496
nonprofits and whatnot.

00:40:14.657 --> 00:40:15.498
I'm not on their staff.

00:40:15.518 --> 00:40:16.418
So I'm not exactly sure.

00:40:16.518 --> 00:40:19.760
But I know that they are huge on

00:40:20.179 --> 00:40:22.822
you know, off-road projects, classes,

00:40:22.902 --> 00:40:23.262
events,

00:40:23.302 --> 00:40:25.443
and just bringing awareness to the

00:40:25.543 --> 00:40:26.523
off-road, you know,

00:40:26.583 --> 00:40:28.264
community and for the community really.

00:40:28.744 --> 00:40:29.925
So I've heard of, you know,

00:40:29.965 --> 00:40:30.846
some clubs that are

00:40:31.286 --> 00:40:32.547
instructing like one-on-one

00:40:32.606 --> 00:40:33.867
off-road classes or

00:40:33.927 --> 00:40:35.527
recovery one-on-one classes

00:40:35.907 --> 00:40:38.090
that may be at like a private location,

00:40:38.489 --> 00:40:39.951
you know, and the various clubs are,

00:40:39.971 --> 00:40:40.311
you know,

00:40:40.931 --> 00:40:42.813
looking for grants and funding saying, Hey,

00:40:43.353 --> 00:40:43.574
you know,

00:40:44.014 --> 00:40:46.155
if we can get the cost down or

00:40:46.197 --> 00:40:47.338
the cost is zero,

00:40:47.637 --> 00:40:48.599
we can get pretty good

00:40:48.659 --> 00:40:49.739
interaction and we can get

00:40:49.780 --> 00:40:51.061
some people here, you know,

00:40:51.101 --> 00:40:51.902
can you help us?

00:40:52.463 --> 00:40:53.164
And that's where they're

00:40:53.184 --> 00:40:54.324
coming back in and say, yes,

00:40:54.344 --> 00:40:55.987
let's get more people being

00:40:56.047 --> 00:40:57.208
safe off-roaders, you know,

00:40:57.228 --> 00:40:58.208
let's get people involved

00:40:58.268 --> 00:41:00.190
in tread lightly and making sure that,

00:41:00.231 --> 00:41:01.711
you know, they're, they're giving back to,

00:41:01.813 --> 00:41:03.014
you know, what they're using or,

00:41:03.474 --> 00:41:04.195
or they're just more

00:41:04.255 --> 00:41:06.856
informed about rights and wrongs.

00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:09.920
The last event in with

00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:11.701
Lucucci was their biggest

00:41:12.202 --> 00:41:13.322
horse weekend of the year.

00:41:14.456 --> 00:41:14.675
Right.

00:41:14.976 --> 00:41:16.376
Well, tread lightly touches on that.

00:41:16.436 --> 00:41:17.797
What do you do when you come across,

00:41:18.057 --> 00:41:20.340
you know, equestrian horses?

00:41:20.579 --> 00:41:21.280
What do you come up?

00:41:21.300 --> 00:41:22.900
You know, so that was a big thing that,

00:41:22.981 --> 00:41:24.121
you know, with the Gucci told us, hey,

00:41:24.222 --> 00:41:25.802
Mark, this is the biggest horse weekend.

00:41:26.123 --> 00:41:26.943
Please stress this.

00:41:27.083 --> 00:41:27.483
Absolutely.

00:41:27.523 --> 00:41:28.744
It's in the one on one class.

00:41:29.144 --> 00:41:30.186
And again, we touch on that.

00:41:30.266 --> 00:41:32.327
OK, every team, all the volunteers,

00:41:32.347 --> 00:41:33.788
when you come across the horses weekend,

00:41:33.887 --> 00:41:34.487
what do you do?

00:41:34.628 --> 00:41:35.989
You know, how do you handle it?

00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:38.481
And the Florida Off-Road

00:41:38.521 --> 00:41:40.603
Foundation is just awesome.

00:41:40.623 --> 00:41:41.385
They're so active.

00:41:41.405 --> 00:41:42.947
They're at all the events around town,

00:41:43.347 --> 00:41:43.608
you know,

00:41:43.648 --> 00:41:44.768
really trying to give back to

00:41:44.789 --> 00:41:45.449
the community.

00:41:45.891 --> 00:41:46.871
So, you know,

00:41:46.911 --> 00:41:47.952
we're seeing it go to good use,

00:41:47.972 --> 00:41:48.554
which is awesome.

00:41:49.856 --> 00:41:51.117
Yeah, that's that's really cool.

00:41:51.396 --> 00:41:53.018
I love how, you know,

00:41:54.614 --> 00:41:56.135
just in the three years

00:41:56.155 --> 00:41:57.255
you've been doing this,

00:41:57.335 --> 00:41:58.376
it sounds like the

00:41:58.416 --> 00:42:00.398
community aspect of it and

00:42:00.577 --> 00:42:01.599
partnering with these other

00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:02.980
organizations is really

00:42:03.019 --> 00:42:04.780
coming together and it just

00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:06.561
starts to grow and people

00:42:06.601 --> 00:42:09.364
start to get involved because people,

00:42:09.824 --> 00:42:12.106
I'm a firm believer that people

00:42:12.706 --> 00:42:15.527
want to be involved in this

00:42:15.626 --> 00:42:17.867
off-road community, in giving back to it.

00:42:17.887 --> 00:42:19.568
A lot of times they just

00:42:19.588 --> 00:42:21.829
need somebody to tell them how and where.

00:42:21.889 --> 00:42:23.070
People will raise their hand,

00:42:23.130 --> 00:42:23.891
put me to work.

00:42:24.271 --> 00:42:26.112
You just got to get them

00:42:26.132 --> 00:42:26.891
where they need to be.

00:42:27.612 --> 00:42:28.773
It's really cool what you

00:42:28.793 --> 00:42:29.853
guys have done down there.

00:42:30.432 --> 00:42:33.614
The signage, those signs look really nice.

00:42:33.655 --> 00:42:34.554
That's a good job.

00:42:36.056 --> 00:42:37.556
I want to make sure I pull up,

00:42:37.695 --> 00:42:38.996
we got some other pictures.

00:42:41.036 --> 00:42:42.677
that you'd sent me just so

00:42:42.737 --> 00:42:44.277
folks can get an idea here.

00:42:45.338 --> 00:42:48.679
This looks like a marksmanship challenge.

00:42:48.699 --> 00:42:49.900
Yep.

00:42:50.681 --> 00:42:51.541
The outpost range.

00:42:52.041 --> 00:42:52.342
Okay.

00:42:55.235 --> 00:42:57.478
And here we've got some recovery going on.

00:42:57.978 --> 00:42:59.920
I'm assuming this is a staged recovery.

00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:01.481
It is a staged recovery.

00:43:01.521 --> 00:43:05.846
So with the various sponsors too,

00:43:05.905 --> 00:43:07.306
not only just the Florida

00:43:07.367 --> 00:43:08.148
Off-Road Foundation,

00:43:08.188 --> 00:43:09.650
but some of the other sponsors,

00:43:12.012 --> 00:43:13.072
we do try to pick...

00:43:13.472 --> 00:43:14.713
based on quality.

00:43:14.974 --> 00:43:17.597
And how do I say this, you know,

00:43:17.677 --> 00:43:18.978
functional things that will

00:43:19.018 --> 00:43:20.900
be used in the situations, right?

00:43:20.940 --> 00:43:22.621
So you'll pull pal this year

00:43:22.641 --> 00:43:23.643
as a first year sponsor,

00:43:24.163 --> 00:43:25.123
one of our challenges was

00:43:25.204 --> 00:43:27.365
using a pull pal, not many,

00:43:27.405 --> 00:43:29.327
not many scenarios, you know,

00:43:29.827 --> 00:43:31.230
People like, well, what is this exactly?

00:43:31.250 --> 00:43:32.771
You know, here's what it is.

00:43:32.891 --> 00:43:33.811
Here's how you use it.

00:43:34.532 --> 00:43:35.353
Here's the challenge.

00:43:35.472 --> 00:43:36.755
You got to use it, you know.

00:43:37.614 --> 00:43:38.936
So we do try to tie in our

00:43:38.996 --> 00:43:41.159
other sponsors into the

00:43:41.179 --> 00:43:42.059
various challenges.

00:43:42.099 --> 00:43:43.460
Blackbeard Firestarters this

00:43:43.501 --> 00:43:44.641
year was was on board.

00:43:45.041 --> 00:43:47.503
Well, that goes right into survival stuff.

00:43:47.844 --> 00:43:49.766
So we did a challenge focused on them.

00:43:50.806 --> 00:43:51.206
Um,

00:43:51.226 --> 00:43:53.789
there's a Cosmo tires this year was

00:43:53.829 --> 00:43:54.168
with us.

00:43:54.548 --> 00:43:56.130
They gave away a set of tires.

00:43:56.730 --> 00:43:58.610
Um, so really anybody who's involved in it,

00:43:58.630 --> 00:44:00.291
we try to do these

00:44:00.311 --> 00:44:01.931
challenges around them and

00:44:01.972 --> 00:44:03.693
their products to highlight them,

00:44:03.813 --> 00:44:04.813
but also to show there is a

00:44:04.873 --> 00:44:06.934
practical use and they are good products.

00:44:06.954 --> 00:44:07.815
They are reliable.

00:44:07.835 --> 00:44:11.016
They can be helpful in certain situations.

00:44:11.675 --> 00:44:12.416
Yeah.

00:44:12.797 --> 00:44:12.976
Uh,

00:44:14.789 --> 00:44:18.574
Oh, here's a canoe aspect.

00:44:18.614 --> 00:44:19.474
That's interesting.

00:44:19.635 --> 00:44:19.976
Okay.

00:44:23.018 --> 00:44:24.239
There's the signage again.

00:44:25.402 --> 00:44:26.222
And it looks like we're

00:44:26.242 --> 00:44:27.403
doing some repair here.

00:44:28.065 --> 00:44:29.746
So we do, again, do mechanical.

00:44:30.927 --> 00:44:31.248
And again,

00:44:31.288 --> 00:44:32.849
we don't make anybody take apart

00:44:32.889 --> 00:44:33.429
their vehicle.

00:44:35.420 --> 00:44:36.661
We'll either, again,

00:44:37.221 --> 00:44:38.481
give them a drive shaft,

00:44:38.501 --> 00:44:39.503
give them the U-joints.

00:44:39.543 --> 00:44:40.423
I don't want to give up any

00:44:40.463 --> 00:44:41.204
of the other ones because

00:44:41.224 --> 00:44:41.925
we do change them.

00:44:41.965 --> 00:44:45.146
But my dad is a pretty good sport.

00:44:45.666 --> 00:44:46.788
He's got a thousand dollar

00:44:46.807 --> 00:44:49.949
Jeep TJ and he pretty much

00:44:50.090 --> 00:44:52.211
lets us simulate anything

00:44:52.251 --> 00:44:54.532
and everything on his Jeep

00:44:54.552 --> 00:44:55.454
throughout the weekend.

00:44:56.295 --> 00:44:57.737
uh where whereas now when he

00:44:57.817 --> 00:44:59.039
actually goes and wheels it

00:44:59.139 --> 00:44:59.880
he gives some people

00:44:59.920 --> 00:45:00.922
twitches when they see his

00:45:00.981 --> 00:45:02.664
bright green jeep rolling

00:45:02.704 --> 00:45:03.485
around they're like oh

00:45:03.505 --> 00:45:04.427
what's going to be broke on

00:45:04.447 --> 00:45:05.789
that now you know because

00:45:06.250 --> 00:45:07.152
we've used it the last

00:45:07.172 --> 00:45:08.934
couple years for the mechanical stuff so

00:45:09.827 --> 00:45:10.047
Yeah.

00:45:10.527 --> 00:45:12.809
Now, do you get, because, you know,

00:45:13.108 --> 00:45:15.010
speaking from experience with my group,

00:45:15.891 --> 00:45:17.512
we'd come for the simulations,

00:45:17.552 --> 00:45:18.612
but we'd end up breaking

00:45:18.672 --> 00:45:20.173
our own stuff at the same time.

00:45:20.233 --> 00:45:22.876
So do you have this happen

00:45:23.695 --> 00:45:24.476
where you have to do

00:45:24.657 --> 00:45:26.918
unplanned mechanical repairs?

00:45:27.318 --> 00:45:27.639
Yeah.

00:45:27.699 --> 00:45:30.360
So my dad has told me that one team,

00:45:30.661 --> 00:45:31.822
actually, you know who it was?

00:45:33.099 --> 00:45:35.641
It was Ray.

00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:38.041
Ray showed up last year and

00:45:38.081 --> 00:45:39.362
just about had my dad's

00:45:39.422 --> 00:45:41.063
Jeep apart in like two minutes.

00:45:41.163 --> 00:45:44.304
And he had to go, stop, stop.

00:45:44.324 --> 00:45:45.244
That's not it, guys.

00:45:45.264 --> 00:45:46.083
That's not it.

00:45:47.025 --> 00:45:49.346
Ray and his partner in crime, Lars,

00:45:49.626 --> 00:45:50.326
who I couldn't have done

00:45:50.346 --> 00:45:51.206
this year without,

00:45:51.925 --> 00:45:53.067
were actually competitors

00:45:53.427 --> 00:45:54.286
that we brought back on

00:45:54.347 --> 00:45:56.228
staff because they had the understanding.

00:45:56.648 --> 00:45:56.967
But yeah,

00:45:56.987 --> 00:45:58.849
they they went they went guns a

00:45:58.869 --> 00:46:00.469
blazing and he had to say, hold on, guys.

00:46:00.628 --> 00:46:00.869
Hold on.

00:46:01.010 --> 00:46:01.210
Hold on.

00:46:01.289 --> 00:46:03.349
Don't don't don't don't take

00:46:03.369 --> 00:46:04.510
apart my engine just yet.

00:46:04.590 --> 00:46:06.490
OK, it's something a little bit simpler,

00:46:06.711 --> 00:46:07.112
you know.

00:46:08.371 --> 00:46:09.853
And then what we also do is

00:46:10.012 --> 00:46:11.713
I I've been pretty kind to

00:46:11.753 --> 00:46:13.034
my dad for him allowing me

00:46:13.054 --> 00:46:14.873
to use his Jeep is, hey,

00:46:14.914 --> 00:46:16.014
here's the challenges.

00:46:16.815 --> 00:46:19.576
here's a couple parts that if some,

00:46:19.655 --> 00:46:20.717
if this were to break,

00:46:20.956 --> 00:46:22.737
here's a brand new one, you know?

00:46:22.757 --> 00:46:23.498
Okay.

00:46:23.538 --> 00:46:25.278
So we've done stuff like that, you know,

00:46:25.338 --> 00:46:26.800
giving him all brand new

00:46:26.840 --> 00:46:27.960
parts in case someone,

00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:29.440
cause a team did go,

00:46:29.521 --> 00:46:30.221
I think to do like a

00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:31.342
tensioner one time and they

00:46:31.402 --> 00:46:34.083
snapped the bolt and it was like, uh,

00:46:34.123 --> 00:46:35.503
slow down a little bit, you know,

00:46:36.063 --> 00:46:37.304
but he was able to fix it.

00:46:37.344 --> 00:46:38.545
He had the part and stuff to,

00:46:38.644 --> 00:46:39.286
to get it back.

00:46:39.326 --> 00:46:41.387
But worst case scenario,

00:46:41.867 --> 00:46:43.268
we make them drag it out of the, uh,

00:46:43.288 --> 00:46:44.128
the event and put it on a

00:46:44.168 --> 00:46:45.007
trailer and we get it home.

00:46:45.648 --> 00:46:45.929
Gotcha.

00:46:45.949 --> 00:46:46.128
Yeah.

00:46:48.603 --> 00:46:48.882
All right.

00:46:48.943 --> 00:46:49.523
Well, Mark,

00:46:49.543 --> 00:46:51.324
you touched on this a little bit earlier,

00:46:51.704 --> 00:46:58.646
but what's the future, maybe not plans,

00:46:58.706 --> 00:47:01.666
but maybe hopes and dreams

00:47:02.067 --> 00:47:03.367
of the Trail Team Challenge

00:47:03.387 --> 00:47:04.527
and where this could go

00:47:06.387 --> 00:47:07.648
over the next few years

00:47:07.869 --> 00:47:09.528
outside of Florida or

00:47:09.548 --> 00:47:11.068
within different areas of Florida?

00:47:11.949 --> 00:47:13.090
Just give us what's in your head.

00:47:14.025 --> 00:47:15.184
Yeah, I'd like to make it.

00:47:16.085 --> 00:47:17.206
I mean, it is a lot of work.

00:47:17.286 --> 00:47:18.166
Sometimes I'm like,

00:47:18.206 --> 00:47:20.367
how do I balance the shop,

00:47:20.487 --> 00:47:22.188
balance the trail team challenge?

00:47:22.367 --> 00:47:24.228
I've got my first baby girl

00:47:24.309 --> 00:47:26.190
on the way with my wife.

00:47:26.250 --> 00:47:27.090
So, you know,

00:47:27.110 --> 00:47:28.791
that's going to be interesting here,

00:47:29.050 --> 00:47:30.050
making sure I give them the

00:47:30.090 --> 00:47:31.672
time that they ultimately deserve.

00:47:33.072 --> 00:47:33.432
And again,

00:47:33.753 --> 00:47:35.054
we've done this in February all

00:47:35.094 --> 00:47:35.835
the other years.

00:47:36.436 --> 00:47:37.335
And the biggest thing for

00:47:37.376 --> 00:47:38.356
anybody who's interested in

00:47:38.416 --> 00:47:39.518
sponsoring out there is

00:47:39.918 --> 00:47:41.059
reaching out to the sponsors,

00:47:41.099 --> 00:47:43.240
figuring out who we want to be involved,

00:47:44.262 --> 00:47:46.103
who can we benefit with and

00:47:46.163 --> 00:47:48.304
benefit for during the event.

00:47:48.344 --> 00:47:49.806
February was tough because

00:47:50.126 --> 00:47:51.527
you're asking months and

00:47:51.567 --> 00:47:52.467
months in advance,

00:47:52.688 --> 00:47:53.849
Because you're wanting to promote them.

00:47:53.869 --> 00:47:55.349
You're wanting to give them, you know,

00:47:55.789 --> 00:47:57.570
a value to their donations,

00:47:57.590 --> 00:47:59.112
their teamwork, their sponsorship.

00:47:59.693 --> 00:48:01.333
And February just we found was really,

00:48:01.373 --> 00:48:03.554
really tough because, you know,

00:48:03.574 --> 00:48:05.036
the way the budgets work and whatnot.

00:48:05.096 --> 00:48:05.637
And we're like, well,

00:48:05.657 --> 00:48:07.016
what if we push it to October?

00:48:07.478 --> 00:48:09.099
Similar weather here in Florida.

00:48:09.438 --> 00:48:10.500
That way we could start in

00:48:10.539 --> 00:48:11.940
January first and really

00:48:11.981 --> 00:48:13.242
promote these companies.

00:48:13.302 --> 00:48:15.242
Yeah, really, you know, because again,

00:48:15.483 --> 00:48:16.523
we're not just people like, hey,

00:48:16.543 --> 00:48:17.244
give us this and we're

00:48:17.264 --> 00:48:18.085
going to throw it at our event.

00:48:18.144 --> 00:48:19.585
No, we really want to build

00:48:20.485 --> 00:48:21.467
a unique community,

00:48:21.507 --> 00:48:22.788
which we've done with some

00:48:22.827 --> 00:48:23.829
of our main sponsors.

00:48:25.369 --> 00:48:26.590
So we moved it to October.

00:48:27.251 --> 00:48:28.492
For anybody that watched

00:48:28.552 --> 00:48:29.472
anything this year,

00:48:30.273 --> 00:48:31.253
the hurricanes have not

00:48:31.273 --> 00:48:33.014
been favorable to Florida this year.

00:48:33.494 --> 00:48:35.195
And that made it very

00:48:35.235 --> 00:48:37.938
stressful and very difficult on myself,

00:48:37.978 --> 00:48:39.858
the staff, the volunteers.

00:48:41.260 --> 00:48:41.920
Unfortunately,

00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:42.981
we lost three teams right

00:48:43.021 --> 00:48:43.722
before the event.

00:48:44.181 --> 00:48:46.864
due to reserve and guard

00:48:46.905 --> 00:48:48.266
members being activated,

00:48:48.646 --> 00:48:49.748
Coast Guard members,

00:48:49.947 --> 00:48:52.231
FWC members being activated, working,

00:48:52.471 --> 00:48:54.233
and also just the stress.

00:48:54.253 --> 00:48:57.036
A lot of people down and out, lost houses,

00:48:57.076 --> 00:48:58.456
lost buildings, businesses.

00:48:59.438 --> 00:49:01.079
So October was, man, it was brutal.

00:49:02.987 --> 00:49:03.847
So I think we're going to

00:49:03.887 --> 00:49:06.951
push back to February again.

00:49:07.030 --> 00:49:09.693
I think the partnerships,

00:49:10.655 --> 00:49:11.596
the teams that we've built

00:49:11.635 --> 00:49:12.496
in the community with some

00:49:12.516 --> 00:49:14.197
of these brands that now

00:49:14.217 --> 00:49:16.000
are really seeing it being the third year,

00:49:16.621 --> 00:49:17.501
understand it more.

00:49:17.541 --> 00:49:18.362
It is kind of something

00:49:18.382 --> 00:49:20.063
that's been hard to explain

00:49:20.103 --> 00:49:21.485
to people exactly what we're doing.

00:49:21.505 --> 00:49:22.746
But now that we're three years in,

00:49:22.786 --> 00:49:23.286
I feel like

00:49:23.967 --> 00:49:24.789
We're being seen.

00:49:24.909 --> 00:49:26.188
Our media team took it to

00:49:26.208 --> 00:49:27.789
the next level this year, even with just,

00:49:28.431 --> 00:49:28.610
you know,

00:49:28.951 --> 00:49:30.711
social media stuff and marketing

00:49:30.751 --> 00:49:32.813
and branding and logos and

00:49:32.853 --> 00:49:33.994
color schemes and stuff.

00:49:34.034 --> 00:49:35.614
So I'm hoping that that'll

00:49:35.635 --> 00:49:37.315
give us some validity in

00:49:37.635 --> 00:49:39.257
the industry and in the off-road world,

00:49:39.836 --> 00:49:41.737
you know, and podcasts like yourself here,

00:49:41.777 --> 00:49:42.057
too.

00:49:42.458 --> 00:49:43.278
So we're probably going to

00:49:43.338 --> 00:49:45.920
end up doing February of twenty twenty.

00:49:46.780 --> 00:49:47.882
five right now.

00:49:47.902 --> 00:49:50.282
Twenty six is kind of kind

00:49:50.322 --> 00:49:51.664
of what I'm shooting for right now.

00:49:51.744 --> 00:49:53.626
So that'll give us a time to

00:49:53.706 --> 00:49:55.387
figure out the location

00:49:55.407 --> 00:49:56.146
because we have changed

00:49:56.186 --> 00:49:57.268
locations every time.

00:49:57.907 --> 00:49:58.889
Not ideally,

00:49:58.989 --> 00:50:00.110
but it's just kind of worked

00:50:00.190 --> 00:50:02.972
out with properties closing and whatnot.

00:50:02.992 --> 00:50:03.972
The state forest was very

00:50:04.012 --> 00:50:04.873
nice to us this year.

00:50:05.512 --> 00:50:06.733
We had a great campground

00:50:06.773 --> 00:50:07.474
for the challengers.

00:50:07.494 --> 00:50:08.494
We had a great campground

00:50:08.514 --> 00:50:09.396
for the volunteers.

00:50:10.590 --> 00:50:11.751
It worked out really well.

00:50:12.050 --> 00:50:13.251
There are some things that

00:50:13.751 --> 00:50:14.871
we'd like to be able to do

00:50:14.911 --> 00:50:15.692
that we weren't able to do

00:50:15.711 --> 00:50:17.092
because we are on public land and,

00:50:17.231 --> 00:50:17.512
you know,

00:50:17.952 --> 00:50:20.213
you can't necessarily go sixty

00:50:20.253 --> 00:50:21.092
miles an hour.

00:50:21.233 --> 00:50:22.972
You can't, you know, climb and turn and,

00:50:23.313 --> 00:50:25.173
you know, really fast in there.

00:50:25.673 --> 00:50:27.594
And we'd like to add that back into it.

00:50:27.673 --> 00:50:29.293
But we also use some private

00:50:29.333 --> 00:50:30.534
properties this year as well.

00:50:31.755 --> 00:50:33.355
And then the Florida

00:50:33.454 --> 00:50:34.875
Off-Road Foundation

00:50:36.476 --> 00:50:37.876
actually had a film crew

00:50:37.896 --> 00:50:38.496
come out with us.

00:50:39.646 --> 00:50:41.489
which we haven't told anybody publicly.

00:50:42.210 --> 00:50:43.373
Everyone who is there knew,

00:50:44.353 --> 00:50:45.295
but there was a production

00:50:45.335 --> 00:50:46.338
company who was interested

00:50:46.378 --> 00:50:47.860
in making a TV show out of it.

00:50:48.902 --> 00:50:50.704
So now there you go.

00:50:51.420 --> 00:50:53.121
So that is a breaking news

00:50:53.161 --> 00:50:54.041
here on Overland Weekly.

00:50:54.101 --> 00:50:54.461
I like that.

00:50:54.521 --> 00:50:56.884
I like that.

00:50:56.903 --> 00:50:57.483
But you know, they,

00:50:57.523 --> 00:50:58.844
they came out to shoot again,

00:50:58.885 --> 00:50:59.684
same thing to kind of

00:50:59.744 --> 00:51:01.186
understand exactly what it is.

00:51:01.586 --> 00:51:03.248
How could we make this a show?

00:51:03.327 --> 00:51:04.307
Is it even doable?

00:51:04.688 --> 00:51:05.568
And again, I don't know.

00:51:05.748 --> 00:51:06.309
They came out,

00:51:06.329 --> 00:51:07.831
they shot a bunch of footage, you know,

00:51:07.891 --> 00:51:09.012
they're probably going to put together,

00:51:09.052 --> 00:51:10.713
I believe, you know, a teaser reel.

00:51:10.733 --> 00:51:12.173
We're going to get together with them and,

00:51:12.213 --> 00:51:12.414
you know,

00:51:12.434 --> 00:51:14.034
in a couple of weeks and debrief and,

00:51:14.994 --> 00:51:15.795
And see, I mean,

00:51:15.856 --> 00:51:17.916
I think it would be great for TV because,

00:51:17.936 --> 00:51:18.117
again,

00:51:18.237 --> 00:51:20.358
this is this is for your everyday

00:51:20.438 --> 00:51:20.918
off road.

00:51:21.338 --> 00:51:22.259
This this isn't you don't

00:51:22.298 --> 00:51:23.539
have to have an ultra four

00:51:23.579 --> 00:51:25.320
car to come out here and compete.

00:51:25.460 --> 00:51:25.780
You know,

00:51:26.262 --> 00:51:28.063
you can just have a very decent

00:51:28.143 --> 00:51:30.204
built rig and a great set

00:51:30.244 --> 00:51:31.503
of skills and you can walk

00:51:31.523 --> 00:51:32.405
away winning this thing.

00:51:33.445 --> 00:51:35.706
So we'll see new locations, maybe.

00:51:36.387 --> 00:51:38.268
TV, maybe February,

00:51:38.407 --> 00:51:39.949
is what I'm shooting for.

00:51:40.389 --> 00:51:43.889
I love it.

00:51:44.070 --> 00:51:45.670
Let's touch on a couple of

00:51:45.710 --> 00:51:48.771
things on registration.

00:51:49.132 --> 00:51:51.012
I'm assuming once

00:51:51.052 --> 00:51:52.614
registration opens for February,

00:51:53.954 --> 00:51:54.733
if you're interested,

00:51:55.094 --> 00:51:56.894
you need to sign up sooner

00:51:56.934 --> 00:51:57.596
rather than later,

00:51:57.635 --> 00:51:58.396
because I'm assuming

00:51:58.416 --> 00:51:59.715
there's a limited number of

00:52:00.177 --> 00:52:01.077
participant slots.

00:52:01.456 --> 00:52:01.737
Yep.

00:52:01.757 --> 00:52:03.197
So we do twenty teams right now.

00:52:03.217 --> 00:52:03.599
OK.

00:52:03.619 --> 00:52:05.460
Twenty teams, two person teams.

00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:07.221
Typically,

00:52:07.362 --> 00:52:09.003
we will open registration six

00:52:09.043 --> 00:52:10.003
months prior to the event.

00:52:10.503 --> 00:52:11.525
So that just gives us time

00:52:11.545 --> 00:52:12.786
to kind of get the word out there.

00:52:12.846 --> 00:52:13.947
Go to we're going to start

00:52:13.987 --> 00:52:15.307
going to some local events,

00:52:15.748 --> 00:52:16.489
setting up some tents,

00:52:16.509 --> 00:52:17.489
just talking to people,

00:52:17.829 --> 00:52:19.471
some Overland Expos and whatnot.

00:52:20.472 --> 00:52:21.492
And then actually, you know what?

00:52:21.612 --> 00:52:22.472
One of the teams this year

00:52:22.492 --> 00:52:24.514
that competed was telling

00:52:24.554 --> 00:52:26.436
me how they do a lot of just, you know,

00:52:26.496 --> 00:52:28.157
Tough Mudders and all these other,

00:52:28.237 --> 00:52:29.659
you know, endurance events.

00:52:29.699 --> 00:52:29.938
And OK.

00:52:30.878 --> 00:52:31.882
And they actually brought it up.

00:52:32.181 --> 00:52:33.085
I never thought about it.

00:52:33.105 --> 00:52:33.867
They were like, well, hey,

00:52:34.327 --> 00:52:35.250
what if you do like an

00:52:35.309 --> 00:52:36.693
early registration discount?

00:52:36.713 --> 00:52:37.355
And I'm like...

00:52:37.938 --> 00:52:39.199
okay, yeah,

00:52:39.219 --> 00:52:40.599
that's not actually a bad idea.

00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:43.141
So we may run, you know,

00:52:43.221 --> 00:52:44.501
something early on, say, hey,

00:52:44.521 --> 00:52:45.681
you sign up now, boom,

00:52:45.702 --> 00:52:47.043
you're going to save X amount of money,

00:52:47.443 --> 00:52:48.083
right?

00:52:48.242 --> 00:52:50.485
You know, is something that makes sense.

00:52:51.684 --> 00:52:52.726
But yeah, it's first,

00:52:52.826 --> 00:52:53.706
it's first to twenty.

00:52:54.887 --> 00:52:56.987
And, you know, even some of the companies,

00:52:57.027 --> 00:52:57.327
I'm sorry,

00:52:57.347 --> 00:52:59.088
that have sponsored have also

00:52:59.148 --> 00:53:00.469
paid for teams to enter too.

00:53:00.929 --> 00:53:01.750
So, you know,

00:53:01.769 --> 00:53:02.570
if you're a company out there

00:53:02.590 --> 00:53:03.231
and you're not like, hey,

00:53:03.251 --> 00:53:03.731
we're not going to have

00:53:03.751 --> 00:53:04.672
anything to donate, but

00:53:05.231 --> 00:53:05.472
You know,

00:53:05.612 --> 00:53:07.313
how many of these companies have

00:53:07.353 --> 00:53:08.733
these ambassadors or these

00:53:08.793 --> 00:53:09.815
sponsored rigs?

00:53:10.494 --> 00:53:12.596
Okay, you got a tire company?

00:53:12.996 --> 00:53:14.577
Send out your sponsored people.

00:53:15.237 --> 00:53:15.797
Come out here.

00:53:15.898 --> 00:53:17.159
You own a shop?

00:53:17.619 --> 00:53:17.838
You know,

00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:18.840
you got to build the baddest

00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:20.280
Toyotas in the Southeast?

00:53:20.900 --> 00:53:22.021
Send one of your rigs down

00:53:22.061 --> 00:53:22.822
here with your team.

00:53:23.682 --> 00:53:24.824
Like our registration last

00:53:24.844 --> 00:53:25.864
year was five hundred bucks.

00:53:26.483 --> 00:53:27.445
Five hundred bucks to send a

00:53:27.465 --> 00:53:28.306
team down to compete?

00:53:29.025 --> 00:53:29.706
Bragging rights?

00:53:29.786 --> 00:53:31.286
I mean, this last year,

00:53:31.487 --> 00:53:32.407
first place walked around

00:53:32.427 --> 00:53:33.327
with over three thousand

00:53:33.367 --> 00:53:34.108
dollars in prizes.

00:53:35.503 --> 00:53:36.824
I mean, they got a free set of tires.

00:53:37.483 --> 00:53:39.465
They got half-off race line wheels.

00:53:40.885 --> 00:53:41.806
They got a pull pal.

00:53:42.166 --> 00:53:44.947
I mean, Rotopax was involved.

00:53:45.527 --> 00:53:46.447
Adams Driveshaft.

00:53:46.949 --> 00:53:47.548
I mean,

00:53:48.048 --> 00:53:49.309
there's some quality brands that

00:53:49.329 --> 00:53:50.949
these guys and girls were

00:53:50.989 --> 00:53:51.771
walking away with.

00:53:52.050 --> 00:53:53.050
I think second place got

00:53:53.112 --> 00:53:54.012
over two thousand dollars

00:53:54.052 --> 00:53:55.432
worth of prizes and third

00:53:55.472 --> 00:53:57.132
place was just over a thousand.

00:53:57.693 --> 00:53:58.034
So, you know,

00:53:58.114 --> 00:53:59.614
Rinse Kit was involved this year.

00:53:59.715 --> 00:53:59.934
I mean,

00:53:59.954 --> 00:54:02.496
there's a lot of stuff that a five

00:54:02.516 --> 00:54:03.856
hundred dollar entry, you just...

00:54:04.797 --> 00:54:05.858
Yeah, that's super cool.

00:54:05.978 --> 00:54:07.739
I really I like the idea on

00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:11.061
on getting shop builds involved in it.

00:54:11.081 --> 00:54:11.960
And who knows that might

00:54:12.001 --> 00:54:13.202
become it's it's a whole

00:54:13.242 --> 00:54:14.983
nother division of it one

00:54:15.023 --> 00:54:15.862
day down the line if you

00:54:15.882 --> 00:54:16.603
had enough of them.

00:54:17.164 --> 00:54:20.465
But yeah, so my Toyota friend shops,

00:54:20.525 --> 00:54:21.846
if you're if you're listening,

00:54:22.346 --> 00:54:25.728
Rocket City, OTM, ACC, Patch,

00:54:26.268 --> 00:54:27.148
he's calling you out.

00:54:27.188 --> 00:54:28.329
You guys come down here and

00:54:28.769 --> 00:54:29.590
compete with each other.

00:54:30.139 --> 00:54:30.460
I, you know,

00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:31.081
it's funny you say that

00:54:31.101 --> 00:54:32.061
because I actually went old

00:54:32.101 --> 00:54:34.302
school this year because I really did.

00:54:34.322 --> 00:54:35.862
Like, I mean, again, I own a shop.

00:54:36.083 --> 00:54:37.003
I know a lot of the shops

00:54:37.063 --> 00:54:38.204
are Tampa Bay community.

00:54:38.804 --> 00:54:40.005
I think is unlike any other.

00:54:40.244 --> 00:54:40.385
I mean,

00:54:40.505 --> 00:54:41.726
I can call any one of these shops

00:54:41.766 --> 00:54:43.586
in town right now and they'll pick up.

00:54:43.606 --> 00:54:44.086
What's up, Mark?

00:54:44.106 --> 00:54:44.626
How's it going?

00:54:44.666 --> 00:54:46.288
Like we all get along around here.

00:54:46.628 --> 00:54:48.690
There's so many Jeeps down here in Tampa.

00:54:48.750 --> 00:54:49.650
Like we're all friendly.

00:54:49.710 --> 00:54:51.431
If I need something, they got it in stock.

00:54:52.432 --> 00:54:54.514
But I actually printed out flyers.

00:54:54.634 --> 00:54:56.054
I put stickers and I mailed

00:54:56.155 --> 00:54:57.195
out over one hundred and

00:54:57.235 --> 00:54:59.057
fifty envelopes to shops

00:54:59.177 --> 00:55:00.298
all over the southeast.

00:55:00.878 --> 00:55:02.000
I mean, I was on Google.

00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:03.061
I was on Facebook.

00:55:03.181 --> 00:55:05.762
I was on Yelp just looking

00:55:05.802 --> 00:55:06.844
for off road shops.

00:55:06.943 --> 00:55:08.344
And, you know, and it had a cover letter.

00:55:08.385 --> 00:55:10.306
Hey, here's who I am.

00:55:10.346 --> 00:55:11.007
Here's our event.

00:55:11.442 --> 00:55:11.601
You know,

00:55:11.621 --> 00:55:12.782
if you're interested in getting involved,

00:55:12.842 --> 00:55:14.222
send a team, you know,

00:55:14.362 --> 00:55:15.222
at least would you just

00:55:15.282 --> 00:55:16.603
mind maybe putting our

00:55:16.643 --> 00:55:17.844
poster in your window or

00:55:17.884 --> 00:55:19.344
somewhere on your shop just

00:55:19.364 --> 00:55:20.746
to get the word out about the event?

00:55:20.985 --> 00:55:23.326
So we've had for we had a

00:55:23.346 --> 00:55:24.226
forerunner this year.

00:55:24.327 --> 00:55:26.068
We had an FJ this year.

00:55:26.108 --> 00:55:27.168
The FJ got third place.

00:55:27.208 --> 00:55:27.907
I think the forerunner

00:55:27.967 --> 00:55:28.688
actually was right behind

00:55:28.708 --> 00:55:29.708
him in either fourth or fifth.

00:55:30.409 --> 00:55:30.989
A lot of Jeeps.

00:55:31.009 --> 00:55:33.271
We had a Chevy Colorado last year,

00:55:33.851 --> 00:55:35.871
a Tacoma forerunner last year,

00:55:36.452 --> 00:55:38.773
Ray and Lars were in their, uh, FJ forty.

00:55:39.773 --> 00:55:41.994
Um, so we, we've had a good spread,

00:55:42.054 --> 00:55:43.635
but this year it was just a

00:55:43.715 --> 00:55:46.076
lot of Jeeps and we were trying to,

00:55:46.115 --> 00:55:49.257
the Broncos, the forerunners at Tacomas,

00:55:49.557 --> 00:55:52.840
um, Chevy Colorados, the Ford Rangers.

00:55:52.900 --> 00:55:53.380
I mean, we're,

00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:55.960
we're trying to get into there, but

00:55:56.476 --> 00:55:57.056
I don't know.

00:55:57.237 --> 00:55:58.056
You're a Toyota guy.

00:55:58.077 --> 00:55:58.518
I can say it.

00:55:58.538 --> 00:55:59.378
These Bronco people,

00:55:59.398 --> 00:56:00.239
they're a different breed.

00:56:00.739 --> 00:56:02.141
Well, you know, if they come, they gotta,

00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:03.201
they gotta bring all their

00:56:03.260 --> 00:56:04.561
spare tie rods with them.

00:56:04.922 --> 00:56:06.284
Uh, even down there in Florida,

00:56:06.403 --> 00:56:07.385
they're probably going to need them.

00:56:08.065 --> 00:56:08.344
Yeah.

00:56:08.806 --> 00:56:09.005
Yeah.

00:56:09.065 --> 00:56:09.887
That, and they gotta, they,

00:56:10.447 --> 00:56:11.487
our shirts aren't buttoned

00:56:11.507 --> 00:56:13.148
down polos from the boardroom.

00:56:13.228 --> 00:56:14.831
So I don't know, man,

00:56:14.871 --> 00:56:16.612
t-shirts and ball caps for them.

00:56:16.632 --> 00:56:17.913
I don't know if that's their style.

00:56:18.112 --> 00:56:19.253
Oh, that's funny.

00:56:19.635 --> 00:56:19.974
Uh, uh,

00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:23.762
No, they're cool trucks.

00:56:23.822 --> 00:56:25.744
We're joking,

00:56:25.784 --> 00:56:27.945
not joking with the Bronco guys.

00:56:28.246 --> 00:56:29.626
I've got a few comments I

00:56:29.646 --> 00:56:30.967
want to make sure we show here.

00:56:31.047 --> 00:56:34.251
So our friend Bush, Jason Bush, says,

00:56:34.291 --> 00:56:35.132
calling all shops.

00:56:35.152 --> 00:56:35.793
I agree with that.

00:56:35.853 --> 00:56:37.494
I think the shop aspect is cool.

00:56:38.574 --> 00:56:40.956
I'm thinking through my mind here now.

00:56:41.318 --> 00:56:42.559
Albert, Mill Creek,

00:56:42.898 --> 00:56:44.599
get your Rally Rats guys together.

00:56:44.641 --> 00:56:46.983
This would be perfect for you guys.

00:56:48.735 --> 00:56:50.476
George D. George says,

00:56:51.016 --> 00:56:53.197
very cool on the possible show.

00:56:53.777 --> 00:56:54.518
Good luck with that.

00:56:55.418 --> 00:56:55.960
I agree.

00:56:57.340 --> 00:56:59.402
I think this is the kind of

00:56:59.422 --> 00:57:01.802
reality TV that I know I

00:57:01.822 --> 00:57:02.744
would subscribe to.

00:57:03.885 --> 00:57:06.445
And yes, Mike says, gotta love Ray.

00:57:06.465 --> 00:57:08.807
Hey, again, this wouldn't have happened.

00:57:09.507 --> 00:57:10.548
Ray puts people together.

00:57:10.568 --> 00:57:14.431
That's who he is.

00:57:14.471 --> 00:57:16.532
Good deal.

00:57:16.793 --> 00:57:16.932
Oh,

00:57:17.887 --> 00:57:18.226
All right.

00:57:18.266 --> 00:57:20.449
Well, before I let you go, Mark, let me,

00:57:20.568 --> 00:57:22.489
uh, we always run through some, uh,

00:57:22.530 --> 00:57:24.771
some just fun rapid fire, uh,

00:57:24.871 --> 00:57:25.672
questions here.

00:57:26.072 --> 00:57:27.494
So, all right.

00:57:27.994 --> 00:57:29.655
Uh, first thing, uh,

00:57:29.996 --> 00:57:32.438
favorite off-road trail snack.

00:57:32.458 --> 00:57:33.579
Oh, that's easy.

00:57:33.619 --> 00:57:34.239
Beef jerky.

00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:35.981
Oh, beef jerky.

00:57:36.181 --> 00:57:37.320
Okay.

00:57:37.422 --> 00:57:39.242
Now, are you, uh,

00:57:40.525 --> 00:57:41.547
Are you the guy that has to

00:57:41.567 --> 00:57:42.827
go in the gas station and

00:57:42.887 --> 00:57:44.128
think about which one each

00:57:44.148 --> 00:57:45.550
time and try something new,

00:57:45.610 --> 00:57:46.951
or you've got a faithful?

00:57:47.351 --> 00:57:49.092
Yeah, anything hot, spicy, or blackened.

00:57:49.632 --> 00:57:52.514
Okay, gotcha.

00:57:52.614 --> 00:57:54.235
All right, question number two.

00:57:54.836 --> 00:57:56.878
If you could only listen to

00:57:57.179 --> 00:57:59.380
one artist or one album

00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:01.802
while you're on the trail for the day,

00:58:02.141 --> 00:58:03.063
what are you queuing up?

00:58:04.436 --> 00:58:05.958
You probably would never get this answer,

00:58:06.018 --> 00:58:08.460
but I actually love EDM music.

00:58:08.721 --> 00:58:10.021
I'm a big Tiesto fan.

00:58:10.762 --> 00:58:11.123
Okay.

00:58:11.503 --> 00:58:13.284
I don't know what Tiesto is, but okay.

00:58:13.565 --> 00:58:15.065
Yeah, Tiesto is a big DJ.

00:58:15.425 --> 00:58:17.748
And just, I don't know, EDM,

00:58:17.768 --> 00:58:18.909
the high energy music

00:58:19.068 --> 00:58:20.489
always just puts me in a good mood.

00:58:21.431 --> 00:58:21.630
You know,

00:58:21.670 --> 00:58:22.751
sometimes it's just really good

00:58:22.811 --> 00:58:23.612
background noise.

00:58:23.693 --> 00:58:24.853
It drowns out those second

00:58:24.893 --> 00:58:26.034
thoughts when you're trying

00:58:26.054 --> 00:58:27.155
to focus on wheeling.

00:58:27.175 --> 00:58:27.856
I can see that.

00:58:28.356 --> 00:58:30.418
So yeah, I'll go with Tiesto.

00:58:30.878 --> 00:58:32.760
We'll go with that.

00:58:33.659 --> 00:58:34.780
At least that breaks the

00:58:34.820 --> 00:58:36.001
last two episodes.

00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:37.360
It's been Taylor Swift.

00:58:37.561 --> 00:58:38.742
So I'll take this.

00:58:39.041 --> 00:58:40.481
We're going EDM now.

00:58:40.561 --> 00:58:40.862
Yeah.

00:58:41.081 --> 00:58:42.862
That made me want to roll my Jeep.

00:58:43.123 --> 00:58:44.402
Oh, shots fired.

00:58:44.963 --> 00:58:46.344
All right.

00:58:46.483 --> 00:58:46.963
Number three.

00:58:46.983 --> 00:58:48.425
This is an important question.

00:58:49.065 --> 00:58:50.664
DeWalt or Milwaukee?

00:58:50.945 --> 00:58:51.505
Team Red.

00:58:52.326 --> 00:58:53.766
Oh, man.

00:58:53.826 --> 00:58:55.527
I liked you until this point, Mark.

00:58:55.606 --> 00:58:55.927
And now...

00:58:56.773 --> 00:58:59.333
I do got a DeWalt tool cabinet at the shop,

00:58:59.393 --> 00:59:01.335
but right after I thought I

00:59:01.355 --> 00:59:02.355
was going Team DeWalt,

00:59:02.394 --> 00:59:04.235
Milwaukee started pumping out some stuff,

00:59:04.275 --> 00:59:05.456
and I went Team Red.

00:59:06.416 --> 00:59:06.677
Gotcha.

00:59:06.697 --> 00:59:08.237
Okay.

00:59:08.317 --> 00:59:09.998
All right, Milwaukee guy.

00:59:10.858 --> 00:59:12.599
Everybody knows I'm a DeWalt guy,

00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:14.079
although I will say that I

00:59:14.139 --> 00:59:17.139
scored a Craftsman brand

00:59:17.260 --> 00:59:19.280
cordless heat gun at the

00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:21.322
flea market this weekend.

00:59:21.402 --> 00:59:22.702
I couldn't pass it up five

00:59:22.742 --> 00:59:24.922
bucks for the cordless heat gun.

00:59:26.016 --> 00:59:27.516
But I had to get the adapter

00:59:27.536 --> 00:59:28.996
to use my Dewalt battery with it.

00:59:29.016 --> 00:59:32.938
So there you go.

00:59:32.998 --> 00:59:33.059
Hey.

00:59:33.079 --> 00:59:33.418
All right.

00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:37.079
Manual or automatic

00:59:37.219 --> 00:59:40.101
transmission for off-roading?

00:59:40.141 --> 00:59:42.382
Manual for sure.

00:59:42.461 --> 00:59:42.902
Okay.

00:59:43.762 --> 00:59:44.141
Yeah.

00:59:44.182 --> 00:59:45.083
So you still got some old

00:59:45.123 --> 00:59:45.882
school in you there.

00:59:46.342 --> 00:59:46.603
Yeah.

00:59:46.643 --> 00:59:48.523
My TJ, my ninety seven is a manual.

00:59:48.704 --> 00:59:49.684
My everyday driver.

00:59:49.704 --> 00:59:50.844
So I'm not when I'm sitting

00:59:50.885 --> 00:59:51.644
in traffic on the

00:59:51.664 --> 00:59:52.764
interstate is an automatic.

00:59:53.126 --> 00:59:53.585
Yeah.

00:59:53.606 --> 00:59:54.085
So yeah.

00:59:54.655 --> 00:59:56.056
But yeah, I mean, I don't know,

00:59:56.097 --> 00:59:57.416
just being able to feel the

00:59:57.456 --> 00:59:59.338
gears and and know exactly

00:59:59.358 --> 01:00:00.117
where the range is,

01:00:00.157 --> 01:00:01.237
something hits and you just

01:00:01.617 --> 01:00:03.079
pop it into neutral real quick.

01:00:03.179 --> 01:00:03.539
I don't know.

01:00:03.659 --> 01:00:05.480
It's it's just easier in the manual.

01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:05.940
I like it.

01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:09.181
I like to feel better.

01:00:09.661 --> 01:00:09.940
All right.

01:00:11.141 --> 01:00:13.742
And last question.

01:00:15.460 --> 01:00:16.762
and this one's a difficult one.

01:00:16.802 --> 01:00:21.047
I know, uh, most challenging trail, uh,

01:00:21.106 --> 01:00:23.188
you've driven or, or let's say, you know,

01:00:23.489 --> 01:00:25.751
recently, uh, that you were like, man,

01:00:25.791 --> 01:00:29.534
that, that thing was legit.

01:00:29.635 --> 01:00:31.237
Hmm.

01:00:31.317 --> 01:00:32.277
I know up there you are.

01:00:32.338 --> 01:00:36.481
There's a, there's definitely a few.

01:00:36.541 --> 01:00:37.063
Yeah.

01:00:38.184 --> 01:00:38.224
Um,

01:00:41.554 --> 01:00:42.414
There's nothing like your

01:00:42.514 --> 01:00:44.096
first time in Moab when

01:00:44.115 --> 01:00:45.177
you've never been and your

01:00:45.217 --> 01:00:46.958
first trail is on Moab Rim.

01:00:47.539 --> 01:00:47.838
Okay.

01:00:48.278 --> 01:00:51.402
That's pretty... As soon as you climb up,

01:00:51.461 --> 01:00:52.682
you've got that one crawl

01:00:52.722 --> 01:00:53.684
to the right where it's

01:00:53.724 --> 01:00:55.164
like forty stories down.

01:00:55.824 --> 01:00:56.706
Forty stories, yeah.

01:00:56.726 --> 01:00:57.706
We're not counting in feet,

01:00:57.726 --> 01:00:58.706
we're counting in stories.

01:00:58.788 --> 01:01:00.789
Yeah, and that was my first trail,

01:01:00.849 --> 01:01:02.690
my first time in Moab, and I was like...

01:01:04.092 --> 01:01:05.192
Okay, this is Moab.

01:01:05.211 --> 01:01:06.333
All right.

01:01:07.454 --> 01:01:08.454
So that one's kind of fun.

01:01:08.494 --> 01:01:08.635
I mean,

01:01:08.655 --> 01:01:10.295
we did do some other ones for the

01:01:10.315 --> 01:01:11.097
weeks we were there,

01:01:11.137 --> 01:01:12.438
but just being that that

01:01:12.458 --> 01:01:14.278
was my first trail on my first day,

01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:16.780
that was a little fun.

01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:18.402
Got your blood flowing?

01:01:18.822 --> 01:01:19.362
It got my blood.

01:01:19.382 --> 01:01:19.943
I was like, wake up.

01:01:20.023 --> 01:01:21.525
Okay, there's some serious stuff out here.

01:01:21.585 --> 01:01:22.485
Not that I ever doubted it,

01:01:22.505 --> 01:01:25.246
but I was experiencing it firsthand.

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But I just, I don't know,

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something about Roush Creek.

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I love Roush Creek in Pennsylvania.

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I just feel like there's a

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lot of everything there.

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You know,

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the part of it's like a quarry there.

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Some of the stuff you go down,

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like I believe it's called

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Devil's Den and it's just a

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V of rocks and trees.

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And it's like, pick your line, go.

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And like, that's what I enjoy.

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Like that to me really tests my skill,

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not just follow this trail up.

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Okay, cool.

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There's one obstacle go.

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You know,

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when you're sitting at the bottom

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and it's just rocks, it's like, all right,

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get to the top.

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Well, it's called Devil's Den.

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I mean,

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it's always the ones with the

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sinister names.

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There's some meme about the

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Devil's Ball Sack Trail or

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whatever it is.

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It's funny.

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Yep.

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All right.

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I'd have to kind of throw it

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between those two there.

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Good deal.

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all right well uh thank you

01:02:20.288 --> 01:02:21.827
again for uh for coming on

01:02:22.128 --> 01:02:23.188
uh for talking to us about

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trail team challenge I see

01:02:24.989 --> 01:02:25.889
a few more things in the

01:02:25.929 --> 01:02:27.471
chat here people are are

01:02:27.510 --> 01:02:29.572
excited about it uh bush is

01:02:29.592 --> 01:02:31.472
calling out uh some ad guys

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that's ad series land

01:02:32.572 --> 01:02:34.793
cruisers uh saying uh yeah

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yeah you guys get down

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there I uh you can get your

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uh get your uh your solid

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axles down there and and

01:02:42.396 --> 01:02:44.057
show it show us up that's uh

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You know,

01:02:44.994 --> 01:02:46.856
that's an aspect we didn't talk about.

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But, you know,

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when you just have to be

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street legal and in forty inch tires,

01:02:52.518 --> 01:02:53.478
then, you know,

01:02:53.518 --> 01:02:54.820
do you bring an IFS truck?

01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:56.380
Do you bring a solid axle truck?

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Is there going to be pavement involved?

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And you don't know.

01:02:59.242 --> 01:02:59.902
You don't know all the

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answers until you get there.

01:03:01.143 --> 01:03:02.664
So I think that's part of the challenge.

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Yeah, and there was, you know,

01:03:04.324 --> 01:03:06.164
this year we had a team from Georgia.

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We had a team from, you know,

01:03:07.985 --> 01:03:09.646
down south in Miami come up.

01:03:09.905 --> 01:03:10.987
So we had about eight or

01:03:11.027 --> 01:03:13.268
nine rigs that actually trailered,

01:03:13.367 --> 01:03:13.628
you know,

01:03:13.688 --> 01:03:16.469
all the way in this year to compete.

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So we do have, you know,

01:03:17.530 --> 01:03:18.951
truck and trailer parking for them,

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which is secure.

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But you do have to take highways and,

01:03:22.672 --> 01:03:23.233
you know,

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forest roads and public transit

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to get around to some of

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the private properties and whatnot.

01:03:28.061 --> 01:03:29.802
Um, but you know, anything's fair game.

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And, you know,

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some people think like Ray and Lars,

01:03:32.083 --> 01:03:33.143
they're in that FJ,

01:03:33.222 --> 01:03:34.063
they didn't have a lot of

01:03:34.103 --> 01:03:35.443
room to bring a lot of gear.

01:03:35.844 --> 01:03:36.603
So you've got to get

01:03:36.664 --> 01:03:38.684
creative in how you store stuff,

01:03:38.704 --> 01:03:40.344
how you pack stuff, you know,

01:03:40.364 --> 01:03:41.045
what you're going to leave

01:03:41.085 --> 01:03:42.885
at camp kind of comes into play.

01:03:42.925 --> 01:03:44.445
Like, are you going to chat, you know,

01:03:44.525 --> 01:03:45.746
risk running back to camp

01:03:45.786 --> 01:03:47.806
to get stuff if you leave it, you know,

01:03:47.826 --> 01:03:49.086
and then you've got some guys that are,

01:03:49.146 --> 01:03:49.586
like we said,

01:03:49.646 --> 01:03:50.467
the team this year was in a

01:03:50.487 --> 01:03:51.286
Jeep gladiator.

01:03:51.626 --> 01:03:53.347
So he's got all kinds of room in the back,

01:03:53.407 --> 01:03:54.447
you know, well, um,

01:03:55.014 --> 01:03:56.956
The second year we went

01:03:56.996 --> 01:03:59.559
through what started off at

01:03:59.579 --> 01:04:00.641
about ninety degrees.

01:04:01.882 --> 01:04:02.722
Middle of the day,

01:04:03.123 --> 01:04:04.826
we went to torrential

01:04:04.865 --> 01:04:05.967
downpour with tornado

01:04:06.007 --> 01:04:08.130
warnings to thirty degrees

01:04:08.831 --> 01:04:09.771
all in the same weekend.

01:04:10.259 --> 01:04:11.119
Oh, that's wild.

01:04:11.380 --> 01:04:11.860
Yeah.

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So, you know,

01:04:14.081 --> 01:04:16.463
do you chance running a rig with no top,

01:04:16.523 --> 01:04:17.123
no doors?

01:04:17.605 --> 01:04:18.965
Or are you running a rig

01:04:19.005 --> 01:04:20.567
with a hard top on it?

01:04:20.766 --> 01:04:22.849
Or, you know,

01:04:22.889 --> 01:04:23.969
what's your setup going to be?

01:04:24.130 --> 01:04:26.070
You know, all that stuff comes into play.

01:04:26.110 --> 01:04:26.552
But again,

01:04:27.172 --> 01:04:28.632
that does too if you're going on

01:04:28.672 --> 01:04:29.954
your own trip on any given

01:04:29.994 --> 01:04:31.456
weekend and you and a buddy

01:04:31.596 --> 01:04:32.356
are hitting the trails.

01:04:33.297 --> 01:04:33.958
Yep.

01:04:34.077 --> 01:04:34.958
I love it.

01:04:34.998 --> 01:04:35.418
Yep.

01:04:35.458 --> 01:04:35.818
All right.

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Well, we're going to wrap this up.

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One more.

01:04:38.778 --> 01:04:40.739
I've had a few comments coming in.

01:04:40.778 --> 01:04:41.719
Some of them I'll put up here.

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Mike, again, Mike says,

01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:46.001
we love Fatty's Crack for

01:04:46.021 --> 01:04:46.780
the best trail name.

01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:48.541
I've been to Fatty's Crack.

01:04:48.561 --> 01:04:51.942
That is appropriately named.

01:04:52.302 --> 01:04:53.503
Where's that one at?

01:04:53.523 --> 01:04:58.003
That is at Hawk Pride in Alabama.

01:04:58.023 --> 01:04:58.103
Yep.

01:04:58.123 --> 01:04:59.503
Okay.

01:04:59.543 --> 01:05:00.704
So, all right.

01:05:01.664 --> 01:05:02.184
Thanks, Mark.

01:05:02.204 --> 01:05:02.844
It's been fun.

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Thank you.

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Yeah.

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Thanks, guys, for joining us.

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And.