Kai Tinkerer's Adventure | Ep. 29

Welcome back to another thrilling episode of Overland Weekly! In our 29th adventure, we reunite with the fascinating Kai He from Tinkerer's Adventure. Dive deep into the heart of the off-road community as we discuss new vehicles, evolving storylines, and the intriguing decision-making process behind Kai's latest vehicle choice.

In this episode, we explore:
- The journey from considering an LX570 to purchasing the unique regular cab short-bed Tundra.
- The ins and outs of vehicle modifications, we revisit the skinny vs. wide tire debate, and V35A engine drama.
- Kai's experiences in the off-road community, including collaborations with manufacturers and insights from Toyota and Lexus press events.
-How Kai was able to secure a sit down interview with the GX550 Chief Engineer

Join us as we uncover the balance between passion-driven decisions and business strategies in the world of full-time YouTubing. Whether you're a seasoned off-roader or new to the scene, this episode promises to deliver insights, laughs, and a deeper understanding of the vehicles and personalities driving the overlanding world.

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. This is Overland Weekly, episode number 29. If this is your first time listening or you're new here, my name is Davey. I am the host, and this is the show that discusses the people, places, and events that make up the off-road and overlanding community. And one of those people is now a repeat guest here on Overland Weekly. Mr. Kai He from Tinkers Adventure. Ky, welcome back. Thank you for having me, Davie. Good to be back. Absolutely. Kai and I were talking, and it's actually been two years since Kai's episode. This show has grown a lot. We've had a lot of interviews since then. Kai's channel has grown exponentially since then. New vehicles, new story lines, all kinds of exciting things going on. But it's funny, Kai. It was about a year ago, I think you messaged me and you said, Hey, I'm going to buy an LX 570. I am set on that. This is the best 200 series ever made, the best value. And I said, Well, of course, I I agree with you. We're about to be LX brothers. Yeah. We were talking all about AHC and all that fun stuff. I thought, Well, it's good that I've already got mine because I know the market price is going to go up once Kai unveils all the secrets. Then I get this picture of this bro truck on 22s. I don't think it had any doors on it for some reason. Oh, yeah, that That picture I sent you because when I bought it, that door hinge, because the RCSP door is extra big, I think with the extra leverage, the previous owner broke the hinge. So the door doesn't sit right. So I was replacing the door hinge. And I took the picture. It looks like I'm basically like a Jeep bro with the doors off. I didn't know if you were going to do tube doors. I didn't know what was going on. All I knew is I thought we were going to be LX Bros. And then next thing I know, you go and drive up the market on regular caps, short box Tundra instead. So that's all good. Yeah. It's a wild ride. Should we get into that story now? Why not? Yeah, let's talk about the Tundra. I made a video about... So I also said, just e-mailed you a few pictures so you can stage that. Okay. We don't need to pull that up now. So I made a video about why I chose the Tundra. In that video... And I think I'll take a step back. As a YouTuber, of course, as a full-time YouTuber, doing it as a business. So of course, I have to think about views. And the hottest trend now is the new generation Toyota. It happens once every 15 years. So I was pretty sure I was going to get one of those. And in my video, I went through each and every one of the new gen Toyotas, why I like and why I didn't like each one. In the end, in that video, I came down to the 200 series. That was the first time I looked at Chris, the Pearl 200, 200 Series on the lift, and that already surprised me. Like, wow, they actually built something like that. Because everybody Land Cruiser is indestructible and all that. I say, Okay, it's just people saying it. But once I see it, I use caliber measure things, use tape measure to measure things. Okay, it is actually different. And the LX is in a way... Well, I don't want to say it's a cheaper Land Cruiser because it's more expensive. But in the second-hand market, usually it's It is cheaper. That's the irony, right? Is that-Correct. That the new, it's more. But now, if you're buying one that's 10 years old, the LX is$5,000 or $6,000 cheaper. Correct. But I was actually, after talking to the Lexus engineers in the new GX event, they actually mentioned AHC. They said, AHC is is because GX is all EKDSS, the new stuff. I never looked into AHC before that because it's just an adjustable high suspension. But the engineers in Lexus actually said, Okay, AHC is actually different. They speak highly about it, but he didn't go into technical. I said, Really? I thought it was just a high, adjustable stuff for rich people to get in and out. Then I look into the technical white paper through the internal documents. It's actually designed very off-road oriented. They have some… It's not just up and down, it's also cross-linked. Correct. It's similar to Rivian's suspension. Rivian's, R1T, R1S, I guess one thing, they don't have a stabilizer bar because it's cross-linked, hydraulic suspension. But the AHC, they designed it, the cross-link are designed for articulation. One up, the other one pushed down. That's active articulation. Nobody else do that. Ekdss is just remove the sway bar. It's not active articulation. I was like, Oh, wow, that's first. Also the AHC has the ABS built in, so that's live valve. Although that is not super performance live valve, but at the same time, they have some design feature that is very well thought out. I said, Wow, these guys are really under-advertising this AHC. Especially the name, it's active height control. I'm really understanding that. You're right. If they had called it off-road something or active off-road, it would have been totally different. I said, Wow, this has a lot of tech in there, and very interesting tech. I want in. I want that. I saw your build, like Tundra Swap, Sui bar removed, and the beefy steering rack. That's everything I want. Also, looking to Pearl, the 200s, his 200 series. The 200 series KDSS, it's last generation stuff. There is some limitation. Yes. Like, tire clearance. It has that weird little linkage thing. I say, Wow, then the OX is the way to go. But, like I mentioned in the video that I really want a truck. It's a totally different experience. Then we can cue the pictures I just sent you. It was actually funny. That was in Boston. That was our wedding anniversary with my wife. And back then, she was working in Boston. So we're working on the street of Boston. And I saw this regular cab, second-gen Tacoma. And I always liked them. And I also know the Tundra exists, but the Tundra was not in my consideration altogether. It's just too big. And so I saw I love this, and this particular one is pretty clean. I love those wheels. I have those wheels before on my FJ, so break me into good memory. This one is very nicely built. It's not built, basically. It's clean. Yeah, very clean. Now, we don't know if the frame looks that way, but it looks clean. That's right. I always know these exist, but I maybe just forget about them. Then that time, I was walking down to see it. I saw it. Man, I really want that because I was thinking about, Oh, maybe if we got a truck, we can have a camper and all that. I said, Oh, this is it. That night, that's our wedding anniversary. When I go back to our Boston apartment, I start looking things up. But then I say, Oh, the regular cab, second gens, they're four-cylinder only. To be clear, Ky, to pause you for a second, this is Ky is like the rest of us, guys. It's his wedding anniversary, and he is on his phone looking up trucks on marketplace and going through Wikipedia. That's right. The four-cylinder, it's not bad. It's reliable, but man, it's not great. The second-gen also have the smaller 8-inch rare diff. Not great. We'll be still dealing with all the smaller IFS components. It's even slightly weaker than my FJ. This is technically the Prado 120 era, and my FJ is 150. 150 is already not very beefy. So I was like, Man, I'm going back in strength and power. It's not great. This Despite how much I like this regular cab, second-gen. Because regular cab, second-gen has the same wheelbase as a 4-runner. Correct. But it's a truck. I was saying, Man, that's so good. So then I was And I know there is this regular cab Tundra, but I just never consider it. So I said, Man, might as well just check those out. Then I realized, Oh, so there are a couple of things very unique about the Tundra. So first is the wheelbase I went into in the video. It's slightly shorter than the regular size Tacoma. So that's good. But the thing What really sold me on the Tundra is it has a lot of room behind the seats because the Tacoma-It is a large cab for a regular cab. Correct. It's really an extra cab, like an extended cab. But everybody else, like the Tacoma, the Ford, the front seats cannot lean back much. You're basically sitting right against the wall. But the Tundra is different. It has a lot of room. It has about 16 inches front to back. I said, Oh, okay. That's actually… That's why it has that obnoxiously big door. That was very unique. Nobody else do that. That sold me on that. Basically, the same night, our wedding anniversary, I started looking into Tacoma and quickly rolled it out due to the mechanical. Then I quickly started looking at Tundra's regular cab, short-bed Tundra's. Of course, Tundra has the V8, either the 5. 7, 4. 7, either one. And they also have the V6. That I have to rule it out. But you see, I want a V8. And that night, That very night, I found one in Upstate New York. Basically, it's the one I have. Okay. So the next day, we drove from Boston to Upstate to check it out. And the dealer obviously know what this thing is. So they priced it pretty high. So it's a '07 with 13,000 miles. Oh, I'm sorry. 130,000 miles. Okay.'07, 130,000 miles. It's a 4. 7. Take a guess how much I paid. Did I tell you? No, I don't know that. Okay, take a guess how much I paid. Well, I know what it would be down here on marketplace. That that truck rust-free, they would want $15,000.$15,000, exactly. Wow, you know the market. Yeah, that's what I paid. If it wasn't a regular catch for a bed, same engine, same condition, same everything, it's probably half that. Unfortunately, this dealer knows what he has. The door is jacked up and there's some body damage. The frame is clean, and that's what I really care about. But I said, Oh, there's some dense here. And he just said, Oh, no. You know how many people want this truck? I said, Okay. All right. I give it. So I paid a deposit. Because we're in Boston, so there's no way to park it. So a week later, when we drive back to Pennsylvania, we stop there along the way and pick it up. That's not exactly on the way, is it? It's not. It's three, four hours extra detour. But it was weird because it almost feels like it's meant to be. Because usually people, when they want this, they search it for a month. Right. Fair. I got it the next day. So it was a very split, quick decision. So it's still wild. I still couldn't believe it that I bought a truck that soon. We want to make sure everything's right, and you may look around to make sure it got the best deal, maybe the best configuration. But it just happened. Now it my main build of the channel. It just happened like that. It's funny you say that, and you're probably aware of this, but there hasn't been a video with the FJ, with your FJ Cruiser on the channel since that Tundra showed up. That's right. Is the FJ just sitting out in the barn rodding somewhere, or what's the plan there? I hope it's not rodding, but the The last time I drove it was back in April. This April, we went to our local FJ Northeaster annual run. I was driving the FJ there, but I haven't made much content on the FJ. However, it's definitely not going to rot, and there are videos about that coming. Because before the Tundra, the FJ was my only by rig, my four by four. And the issue with that is I try to put everything on there. One truck do everything, and that make it hard. So my FGA will go through a lot of phases. Very, very heavily built to now it's light enough. Now I have the Tundra, they will split duty more. So the Tundra will be more longer trips, more overland focus. Now I have that, the Tundra, the FJ can be more 4x4, the off-roading focus. The FJ, I switched to the narrow tires, the skinny 35s, remove the B-Log and all that to make long drive more comfortable. But now I can make long drive less comfortable because I have the Tundra. There you go. The FJ will be a little more- You were slipping on me for a minute, but you're coming back around there. I like it. Yeah. Yes, that's right. Kind of like your LX. You're putting some nasty tires on that thing. Yes, the Alex is in the shop. It's at Rocket City Cruisers as we speak, and Zack has taken the sauzal to it meticulously this week. I think we took about three inches off around the the wheel well. But those 37s are going to clear no problem. And you're right. I mean, there's a compromise. That truck is quickly morphing into a trail truck, versus a comfortable to drive across the country truck. But it's all good. Well, let's talk about this. All right, so this Tundra shows up, you make the move on it. But over the last couple of years, and we're going to talk about how all this unfolded, but you found yourself in the driver's seat of just about every new Toyota and Lexus four-wheel drive that's out there. The whole The whole new platform. And so you said earlier, you seriously were considering purchasing a Tacoma or a new vehicle. And it's interesting It's interesting that you say that because I think I know you well enough. You and I have talked before. I mean, you're a pretty, what's the word, value buyer, cost-conscious person. You're not going to spend money previously. And so there's a vast difference between buying a $60,000 new Tacoma and buying a $15,000 Tundra. But the flip side of that is people want content. So as a business decision, it might make sense. It could make sense. Mike Pfeiffer from Last Light of Defense, he talked about that, how he bought a couple of vehicles specifically just to make content with. But where did all that land? Was that all in play? Was this a from the heart decision, was this you analyze the new versus the old purchase decision? How did you land on going with the used Tundra? I think for me, the business decision... I'm not very business-minded, I would say. I think in this decision, my heart definitely won because if I am a I'm not necessarily business-minded. The new truck definitely make more sense, the new generation. But I think I'll probably mentioned it in the last podcast that I am not very ambitious. I really like to dig into things. Once I saw the Tundra, and also the 4. 7, that can be another discussion. The 2uz, yeah. The 2uz versus the 3ur. After I dig into all that, I said, Oh, man, this truck is perfect. I just want it. I just stopped caring about the business side. Well, I'm going to push back on you a little bit because I think this may be a smart business decision because I don't want to say it's easy, but it is to some extent. If you search new Tacoma, new off-road Tacoma on YouTube, there's 50 different videos from 50 different content creators that come up because it is the hot thing. But that doesn't mean that what you're doing, there is a definite niche following, a core following that will watch the videos beginning to end like the algorithm wants to see. I don't know that this was not a proper business decision to go with the Tundra. I think you have a market for that that you're willing to explore and create content for that other people either lack the knowledge or desire to attack that. But I'm 100% of the belief, and we talk about this, and I'm sure you do with your friends a lot as well. I'm a little bit older than you, but these new vehicle prices continue to jump and jump and jump. We're talking about if it makes sense from a business perspective. As a personal vehicle perspective, I can't wrap my mind around spending $60,000 to $80,000 for something that I'm going to go beat up in the woods. I'd rather spend $20,000 for something that can be bought in cash and I can modify it how I want it. Yeah, definitely. Anyway, all that to say, there is a market that appreciates what you're doing, and I think we'll definitely continue to tune in with this. Thank you. Yeah, I think definitely, I think my viewers like this truck. It's very unique. And also, I think probably this is like a also listed I advise for people who are considering becoming YouTubers that I think what car you drive or what car you build doesn't really matter. If you make good videos, people will watch it. Just like Their lifestyle. He has that weird little Land Rover thing. Before, he was building the Jeep truck. Those are super niche, unique Vintage stuff. Not a lot of people feel that. Now he's putting a Ford van on 42s to take it to a level. Exactly. But he makes good videos. Not only he built crazy stuff. He's good at those. But the way he tell the story, the filming, everything, it's just a high-quality video, so people will watch it. Also, Nate, Outdoor Auto. By the way, he just released a wide versus narrow tire video. It's very interesting. He also building... Right now, he's building that Ford FC, the cabin forward Jeep thing. It's all very unique, rare stuff. I think, I think that's also why I didn't think too much about that. I just want to build the stuff I really want that will put a smile on my face. If you do that and if you package into good stories, good videos, it will show through. People will show this guy really cares about his truck. He just wants to do some silly stuff. I really want to put my 37-inch spare under it. I make a video. If you see third Lifestyle on his Tacoma in the front fender, after he cut it, he wants to make that little roll, that little edge. He weld a little thing. That's crazy stuff. But it just shows through. People see, Man, he will spend that much effort on a little fender lip, which he may bend it any day on the trail. Absolutely. But he still do it. That thing is what gives you, I would say, success on YouTube. You're right. Nate is very unique in his passion that way. As you said, his style of storytelling where he does these voiceovers that tells what he's thinking. It's normally something like, I know this doesn't make sense that I'm going to put 40 hours into this bracket, but I have to do it. That's right. All right. Well, I'm not going to go through the whole build out of the Tundra because that's what your channel is for, and people can follow along with that. But you've got it on 37 now. It's ready to definitely be an overlanding rig, maybe not a hardcore rock crawling rig at this point. But I know that you've taken it out, you've put it to the test on a few trails and also on a cross country adventure. Tell us where you went. I want to know if there was a point during that trip, specifically out West, that you said, Yeah, this was the right decision. I'm glad I got this, Tundra. Yeah, that's actually fine. The first The first trip I did was the West Virginia trip with Mountain State Overland. That was a lot of fun. That was my first trip. And then the second trip, then I just I do some random local stuff in the middle. But the next big trip was, I actually just came back last month, my friend Jean and I went to Yellowstone. So we drove from Pennsylvania to Yellowstone Then we went up to Montana. We actually went, Hannah, with Expedition Overland, the big guys. Then we came back. Jean, you probably remember him. I made a video of Jeep versus Toyota. Yes. That's the Jean who bought the Wrangler, JL. That will be a different story. He's back in Toyota now. At this trip, he is in his new third-gen Tundra with the AlioCab camper. Oh, interesting. Okay. Also on 37s, I have bumpers, winch, sliders, everything you can imagine on the third-gen Tundra, he has it. Basically, what he spent in Mods, it cost probably multiple times my entire truck. At 100%? What I'm going to be presenting. I'm preparing the videos for that trip. It's high versus low overlanding. But There is one interesting exercise we did that turns out to its own video is we went to a CAT scale station, a certified truck scale, and weighed our trucks. I won't spoil the numbers now, but that was a very interesting exercise to see how a max out build versus my still very minimally poor man's build, the weight difference, that just blew our mind. Have you ever weighed your LX? No, not on a scale. But it is She's gotten heavy over the years. I just had that conversation because I had pulled my drawers and my fridge and everything out of the back before the last wheeling trip that I went on. And I said, oh, my gosh, it feels like a totally different truck. It's so light. I said, I'm not going back to that. I don't know how exactly my setup is going to change, but I've got to shave 200 or 300 pounds out of the back of that. Right. I went through the same thing with my FJ, but that's why for this Tundra, I was very weight-cautious because But even though I am very weight-aware of what I put on, and basically, in that trip, I am pretty much stuck other than the 37s. The other stuff is just cargo and a tent that rooftop tent. But even my weight blew my mind, how heavy I got, and let alone Jean. But then that exercise turned into a whole research and investigation exercise to see is that really bad or is actually okay? So I'm preparing that video right now. But I would say, weighing the truck was the highlight of that trip, the most shocking, memorable thing of that trip. Even though we went to Yellowstone, we go to the Fairtooth Highway, we do some trails in Montana, and I even visited Expedition Overland. But the shock factor of weighing the truck is still the most memorable. So For the listener who were listening, I will highly recommend doing the search CAT scale, a C-A-T scale. Probably there's one nearby and just go there. It's full service, 15 bucks. You get your weight. Yeah, that'd be a good club activity. Get your local four-wheel drive club and everybody does a group trip to this CAT scale. All right, Ky, let's shift gears and talk, again, back to these new Toyota platforms. Surely by this point, everyone has seen your sit down interview with the chief engineer from the GX 550. Give us the back story on how this came to be, because I would not assume that he's a gentleman that you can just pick up the phone and schedule an interview with. How did all that transpire? Yeah, I'll say that is still a highlight of my YouTuber career, that GX event. What I got connected, I think I have to go back a little bit, is before the GX got announced, it was the new Tacoma. Before the new Tacoma got released, it was announced, but nobody had seen anything about it yet. Around that time, there was a gentleman who works. His name is Tiger. Tiger Diger works in the Mid-Atlantic region's Toyota's headquarters. Mid-atlantic is on the East Coast. He's in charge of sales. Basically, the dealerships, I'll buy from them, buy from the Toyota and parts that go through them. He's a manager in the sales side. He watched my video and he's intrigued. We got connected on Instagram. We chatted a little bit. When the Tacoma got released, but nobody's seen one yet, it's still the spy photo phase. I mean, people know what it looks like, but nobody see the truck yet. It was just people taking pictures of, Oh, there's a new Tacoma on the trailer, that face. Tiger said, Oh, we got a new Tacoma in our headquarters in our shop. You want to check it out? I said, Oh, yeah. I drove to there in Maryland. I drove down and I check it out. They put it on a lift for me. I said, Oh, my God. This is my first time seeing the next generation. It's every 15 years, event. I'm probably one of the first people to see it. Sure. Before the SEMA measuring session, that's before any dealer had a hands-on one, I got to see it. I was very excited. As you know, I brought a box of parts, the current-gen control arms, current-gen axles, everything. I wanted to compare. That was the first time I see, Oh, the next gen has some good stuff. The frame rail is giant. Control arms are longer, long travel from the factory. Biger CVs. Those I knew a long time ago. And I filmed some stuff. I asked Tiger, Can I film this? And he said, Yeah, just do what you need. And I actually teased it on the social media. I said, Oh, I got... I saw it. And it was a TRD off-road manual. But he didn't expect me to go so detailed. I have calibers with me, calibers and tape measure with me. When he saw what I did, he said, Oh, that's too much. But he understands I'm a YouTuber. I want to be the first one to present this type of stuff. He connect me with their marketing team. Or not marketing team, their marketing side, the PR side. We have a conference. I show them what I film, what I plan to present. They They said, I'm sorry, this is a little too much. Because at that time, nobody has this type of level of access like me. They said, If you show this to the public, their partners will be mad because the partners, the aftermarket people, they're waiting for the CIMA in November, the SEMA measuring session to develop their products, to do their own things. If a random guy just posted, he got this level of access, people will be pissed by Toyota. That's why I didn't post that video. But with this exercise, I got connected with their PR side. The PR guy, his name is Zack. Zack is a pretty cool guy, and he definitely see my passion in Toyota and my perspective. So When the GX got released and when they're hosting, it's called a first drive event. Usually, there's an announcement event. Then there's a first drive event. First drive is the first time. Journalists will get their hands on there and drive it. Zack connected me with the Lexus PR team. Basically, it's just one day I got an email from Lexus team They said, Oh, Zack recommended you to come to our GX550 first drive event in Arizona. You want to come? At first, I thought it was a scam. I couldn't believe it. Then I look at their email address. It's all... I forgot what's it at lexis. Com or at tm, like ToyotaNorthamerica. Com. Something corporate, yeah. But after I verify, I said, Okay, this is legit. So of course, I just signed up. They bought the tickets. They put me in a Ritz Coulton Hotel. My first time in my life, I ended up staying in a Ritz Coulton. The event was there in Tucson, Arizona. I couldn't believe it. Just like that, I just got into a Ritz Coulton and seeing driving GXs. It It was just like that. I saw a lot of YouTubers and journalists that I watch. The first time seeing them in real life. It was pretty cool. I think one thing that surprised me is you don't really need to be very big to go to one of the press events. Because I met the big guy. At the event, because the event is a full week long, so it's in waves. Every journalist stayed there for about two days. I didn't meet everyone. It's not everyone all at once. But I met Toyota Jeff, and I met Zack. Zack will also be on your podcast before. He's now in Donna Media. Oh. Yeah, Zack. He was with a milk wagon. Yeah, Zack Diehl. Zack Deal, yes. He was with the same group as me. I saw… What's his name? Dan Edmund from Car and Driver. Sure. We didn't meet. I think he probably just only one night overlapped with me. I saw him because I really respect his So you were fanboying a little bit? Right. But by the time I realized that was Dan Edmonds, he was already gone. He had a hood on and he had probably more beard than he used to. So I didn't really recognize him at first. Yeah, it was pretty cool. The funny thing is my group is called Lifestyle Group. I am about the last group in the whole week process. Tfl is journalist, and Zack and I are lifestyle. It's funny that we are actually the only group that got to do the off-road course because before us, they had a flood in the off-road course. It was raining very bad. They did a simplified version of the off-road course. But by the time we got there, the weather got a lot better. It was sunny. It was just funny. It all worked out for us. That was pretty much how I got into the event. There are big channels, and there are also very small channels. People who just started to be automotive journalists, the auto reviewers. I feel... Before, I think most people, including myself, thought you had to be big, so they will invite you there. But after that, I feel this is more... It's just work. People, like Lexus, want to push this out to public. So I think Sometimes if you just ask, if you just sign up, they will just get you there. Because not everyone there is big. Like me, I'm pretty small back then. When I got there, nobody knows where I am. There are also other creators like me. They're just starting out. It's interesting. For people who are listening who want to go to this type of event, probably just go ask and you'll be there. Never hurts to ask. That's right. Bringing it back around to the interview, did you ask for the interview, or how did that happen? The interview, you can sign up. In the email, they say, You have the opportunity to interview the chief engineer. Of course, I signed up and I prepared a lot of questions. I got Excel tables with data It was only half an hour. That was the challenge. Sure. Also, in that event, I met the chasing point. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he has the He lives right next to there. So I met him. Easy trip for him. Yeah. Yeah. He's a pretty cool guy. Very build-up GX470. By the time I got there, We just sit in a conference room. And for some reason, a lot of journalists, they didn't really film the interview. I think they just went in with no camera and just talked. I don't know why. Maybe they're print journalists, maybe. They're going to write an article. Maybe. I don't know. I asked, Can I actually film this? They say, Oh, if you want. It's not a real thing, apparently. The funny thing is, because I know I'm going to interview the chief engineer, I was prepared. I I bought a new DJI Mic 2, which just came out a week before this event. I need the best microphone possible. I bought a new DJI Mic 2. I set everything up. After the interview, I realized that mic was not on. The audio I got was from the in-body mic from my Canon camera that was sitting on the other corner of the room. That's why the audio of that clip was crappy because I forgot to turn on my brand new DJ mic, too. Hey, that's why you always have a backup audio. That's right. I lost a whole episode over bad audio. Yeah, I know. Yeah, thank God. At least the mic on the camera was still working. The I think the interview went pretty well. I got to ask a lot of questions that if it wasn't the chief engineer, it would We didn't have the same credibility when we talk about engines. However, the amount of details we can get is also limited. For example, I asked the chief of New York, What's the biggest tie I can fit on the GX550? And he just said, That 33, the stock size. I said, Yeah, I know. That's the overtraw, but I want bigger. That's the bigger one. The PR lady had to step in and said, As an OE manufacturer, we cannot comment on aftermarket modifications. But But with that said, you did get into some technical discussion with him. You were pressing him on the efficiency of the smaller engine, and he was talking about the bore size on the cylinders. Do you think you caught him off guard? You've got a translator, so there's a little bit of delay there. But I just can't imagine that anybody else came into the room that day asking questions like you were. Yeah, they didn't say, Tell me, I ask a question. I think the four of us, they caught me off They caught me off guard because, like I said in the video, I thought the long stroke is the answer for high torque. But it turned out it was not that case. At the same time, even in that video, a lot of people still don't believe what the chief engineer said. I think it is highly… Even to this day, I am still a little reserved on that engine because I posted that video. A month later, they came out with a recall saying it's the machine debris, but for some reason, it's still having that problem. Thank you. I was going to ask you this question. Your gut response Is it a manufacturing, machining defect, or is it an engineering issue with those bearings? I would think it's probably a mixture of both, and it muddied the water for them. It's a little hard to say. One thing is most people, the most regular people, they want a simple story. Because of A, that causes B, that's it. But it could be there's A, B, and C doing Doing the same thing, and suddenly there's a lot of A went in, and that triggered a lot of social media posts and all that. And then Toyota, of course, they also have to look okay. I think usually it's a lot of variables all comes together that will make things muddy. But I think I would think this engine definitely have some design-related... It's definitely have higher stress. Even though the chief engineer said the high combustion efficiency doesn't mean higher stress. But in their technical document of the engine, it says because of the use of the turbocharger, they beefed up that bearing. If it's not high as stress, why do you beef it up? That's right. Because it's the Tundras and the Lexus that are experiencing this same issue. Now, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but those Tundra motors are manufactured in Alabama. Those come out of Huntsville, and those Lexus motors came out of Japan. If it was a manufacturing machinery issue, it seems odd that it would be wrong in both plants. Unless their manufacturing process is so well dialed. That's a possibility because it's Toyota, and that's what they do. They even recreated the same- The same defect. That little machine path I've not left the same shape sliver on there. It might well be because they are the grandfather of modern manufacturing, like Six Sigma, lean production, all that. Oh, yeah. Kaizen, all that. Because when I was in my old job, the manufacturing is all those words. All those words are Japanese, like poka-yoke and all that. Yes. Also in my video, I said Chris, the pro of the 200, he worked on a LS. That's right. That was way before this. They also have main bearing issue. I think there could be... Maybe that was also debris, or it could be something else. It could be something else that triggered a main bearing issue. I hope they sort it out. But I think probably most of the failures people are having is truly the machine debris. There could be some other The other factors, either it's over stress or something else. I don't know. The other ones are probably pretty very low occurrence. Probably the same occurrence as my 2uz will blow up. 2uz is not every single wine is bulletproof. There could be their issue on 2UZ, too. I guess, but I don't know. I wonder in a few years, seven, eight years down the line, these used LX 600s are on the market. They've got 120,000 miles on them. That motor has been fine till that point. I don't know if I could If I could be comfortable purchasing one of those and laying out dollars for those like I could for a 2UZ or a 3UR. Because if it fails, it's catastrophic. It's not a coolant valley leak. It's not something that I can fix. It's catastrophic. Exactly. I think my stance is probably in between In between, Toyota fan boys and Toyota haters. I'm probably in the middle. I'll still say this engine makes me nervous, but I cannot pinpoint exactly why because there are just too many variables I don't know. But Despite how much I wish Toyota success, so far, the Tundras are not looking good. There's still the failures. Outside the recall, people still have this exact issue. In this trip with my friend Jean, we're worried about his engine. Because from what I'm hearing and what I'm reading, if you do own the Tundra and you experience the failure, even if it's under warranty and they're going to take care of it, it's not like you can get that done next week. A lot of guys are out of their truck for months at a time waiting on their turn in line. Yeah. Then just take the whole thing out and put it back in. You just too much room for human error. This is in a dealership. It's not in a Six Sigma Toyota factory. Well, Ky, let me ask you this, because I feel like talking about these press events and getting to the press vehicles on loan, because then you ended up taking out the Tacoma and putting it through its paces and doing all these tests. But you were, I think it's safe to say you were unbiased with your opinion on all of these vehicles. The new Land Cruiser has been out for a couple of years now, and Man, it seems like most everyone who has one of these press vehicles or is at an event or is some type of journalist, they just want to tell you how great it is and how beautiful it is. You can get round headlights or square headlights, and the CarPlay works great, and this and that. You looked in the camera and said, Toyota, you missed it. This is not what the people wanted. What our demographic wanted. Do you feel comfortable doing that? I guess what I'm really asking is, do you feel like you're going to get blackballed from the next Toyota event? Or have Has your reception with their PR department been, Okay, we'll take honest feedback? Yeah, I think they have been pretty cool. I think, I would say, Toyota is not that petty, I would say. As long as you are not deliberately try to bash them- No, you're not slandering them. Right, exactly. If you're not slandering them, they will take this pretty positively. After I sent this video to Zack, my my my my my my my my He said, Yeah, it's a valid point. He just mentioned... So he doesn't know everything. He just said, Maybe it's because this vehicle is designed with some overseas market in place, and there are some design challenges. So it's not like the Tacoma. The Tacoma is very North America-focused. So they speak the language. They put the CV in there and those. After I came back from the Yellowstone trip, so that's this July, so just last month, Toyota invited me to... Actually, when I was at Expo Overland, the day I left, it was a Toyota event at the Ranch. It's called the Wild Montana. So there were several creators were there. You've probably seen some Instagram stories. And they were doing another one later, and Toyota invited me to that. But I really wish to go. But my schedule, no matter how hard I try to move things around, it has a conflict. So I am not going. But it looks like they are still inviting me to events like that. Well, that's a good sign. No, I think the way you went about it, like I said, it's not slander. You put your thoughts together. You presented the the facts, and it is what it is. At the end of the day, these vehicles, and you've said this in multiple different ways, these vehicles are better than they have ever been for road driving, road handling, safety, all of those things. But it's come at the expense of the enthusiast. That's not just Toyota, obviously. That's every manufacturer. But there's a balance there, and it seems like, especially like these little bitty tie rods and then smaller link brackets and single shear points instead of double shear points on things. It's like, really? You had to take that away from us? I think that's the part that's hard for some of us to wrap our head around. Yeah, I think, especially for the new Land Cruiser, it is like, you already designed those better things on the other. Why did you put this over here? And that's it. Even for the 4-runner, The same wheelbase, same drive train as the Land Cruiser, the 400 gas tank is a little bigger, a one-gallon bigger. It might be some AC routing underneath or for overseas, a different power train, there's something interference there, which is weird. That was the main thing. The thinner brackets, okay, you need to wait savings, all that. But the already good stuff, you left it out. It is still a pretty expensive car. Even the cheaper ones that that has better mechanical parts. I think it's more like a strategic or business or decision that they package things, they miss something, maybe. That's my main thing. I thought it was- Special edition is not very special. That was my main thing. That's true. I thought it was interesting, the differential, the ring and pinion choice choices, too. The choice to have to reinvent the wheel and make all these new differentials when in the 200 series in the Tundra, they're so proven and so tough. Maybe these new ones will be just as good, but it just seemed odd. Because Toyota, they've been known even over platforms to carry parts like differentials over for decades and decades. But they really wanted to reinvent the whole thing this go around. So we shall see. Ky, you mentioned earlier about the skinny versus wide, the pizza cutter versus the wide tires. So this video exploded. That's right. This is one of those, they say broke the internet, right? Yeah. It's at five million views or five million plus views now. 6,500 comments on this video last time I checked. First question, because I know before you always tried to read and be engaged in the early days with all your videos. Have you read all 6,500 comments on the tall versus skinny video? Definitely not. The way YouTube work is there's a called the YouTube studio, and then there's all the comments come out. I think it's probably after that video, there are too many comments that I stopped reading. Just couldn't keep up. Because before that, it was relatively manageable. After that, I stopped. Right now, most of Mostly, I will make sure to read every comment. I'll say in the first day, I'll try to be there. Then after that, it was maybe if I am waiting on something, I'll check with you. All right. You hear that, folks. If you want Ky to read and reply to your comment, you need to be subscribed and watching that first day when the video premieres. Yeah. Thank you. I try to be engaged more. But for that video, it's definitely I'll say definitely there's controversies. That's why you should definitely check out Outdoor Auto's new video he just posted yesterday. It's very well done. Did you have a feeling... I mean, you talk about it being a controversial subject in the community, and it has for years and years. But when you posted that, were you like, Yeah, this is going to be a good one? Yeah. Okay, so you knew? Right. As a creator, there is just Sometimes you know this video is a good one. Kind of like a songwriter when they know they've got a hit. Right. Back then, I forgot how many subscribers I had back then, but it was I was not big or not. Not just tiny, but in the middle. But I had a thought in my mind. I think this video is probably going to hit one million views. But That was a big numbers back then. But I already feel, this is probably going to hit one million. And it did. I think it just when I was doing the testing, after I see the data, it shocked me a lot. Then I think, Okay, if I can convey my feeling and this data to more people to let them experience that, this video will do well. That's how I feel. It's really just what the measurement turned out to be. Because I didn't expect it to be like that. I thought... So even when I was thinking, if the... Because when I see the tires, to be honest, I still like the wide entire look. I said, If it was not drastically different, I'll go with the wide. I'll present the data and go with the wide because the skinny, it just looked too skinny. But the data, oh, wow, that's a huge difference, especially for the deformation. I said, Okay, I have to go with the narrow. It's just so good. But I I wanted to respond to some comments that there is a caveat that Aldo Auto addressed is for that video, the narrow and wide, I use the same wheel width. So So it was... Because this video, this experiment is for me because that wheel, the 6-lug Rock Warrior wheel, if Toyota guy know what that is, that is the rarest Toyota wheels you I want to get. So the Rock Warrior is the Tundra, what I have. But the 6-lug version is ultra rare. I wanted that wheel for years, and I got it. For me, that's the wheel. I'm not changing wheels. That's why I'm using the same wheel. But at the same time, it's also a cleaner exercise. So The only thing changed is the tire. The wheel is... Ideally, you want a wider wheel for a wider tire. But for that experiment, for me, I only want that wheel. To make that video concise and flow better, I didn't add in all the other explanations. I think that was one of the controversy. If you do a wider wheel, what I would the result be different? That's what Aldo Aldo did. So people who are listening, go check out his video. I don't want to spoil the result. But for me, since I'm set on that six rock over here. The skinny tire definitely outperformed the wide, especially in the flexing tire flex. So that was a pretty shocking result. Yeah. The other... I guess it's interesting because obviously I watched your video and I was already on a skinny 35, 35, 11: 50, and

now I'm going to a 37 13: 1:10:47

50. But for me, it wasn't as much about the contact patch as I I needed to get that tire outside of the Fenderwell, because the terrain here and the trails that we're wheeling, it's either going to be a Fender in a door or it's going to be the tire that can bite into it for me. To your point, that could be addressed with different wheels and different offsets, but then it produces a different set of challenges. But your video was great, and the conversation that it sparked, just like we're having now, are all good things. That's why there's no golden rule. It's just going to depend. But congratulations on that. Yeah, that was a big one when I saw it. Then it quickly, every forum that I'm in, every group chat, people are like, Have you seen this? What do you think? Well, I think he doesn't know what he's talking about. No, I've been saying what he's saying for years. It created this conversation. Thank you. Very good job. Thank you. I think the one thing I hope eventually more people understand through my videos is there is no best. I think that the community, it happens in everything, not just off-road. People like to pick team, and you're either team-wide or team-narrow. Also, I think the other thing I created The team I created is high lift or low lift. You're team high or team low. It's like you're on this team, everything the other team does is trash. But that just doesn't happen in life. Everything, it doesn't work this way. Sure. I hope eventually people will start, more people will ever see more my videos. They understand this. The goal is to understand what are the variables and how they work for you or against you. For the lift example, I made a video about... In my title, I said, Don't Lift This. It's a little simy click baity title. But in that video, I said, Lift, articulation and ground clearance are both important. I said, GX should have lifted a little bit because its weakness is clearance. I'm Probably not because of me, but because a lot of people complain. In the second year, GX 550, they did lift it. They lift the front by one inch. I didn't know that. I think we're going to give you credit for that, Ky. Oh, thank you. You hear that, folks? When you purchase your second year GX 550, whether it's now or 10 years from now, when it's on the used market, you can thank Ky for that extra inch. You're welcome. Basically, in the video, I said, If that was me, I got the GX 550, I will lift it one and a half inches in the front. And the Lexus team lift it one inch in the front in that second year. It's Toyota. They're going to be conservative. So you can only go an inch. Yeah. But also for my FJ, now I am... So I haven't decided really how to do the FJ now, but the FJ, I'm definitely going to go bigger tires. For my Tundra, in my Fitting 37 video, I stressed very hard, I don't want to cut. I wanted to fit. But for my FJ, I'm going to cut a lot. So the FJ, maybe I'll lift it a little more because when it comes to East Coast, rock garden type of things, clearance wings every time. My FJ is on long travel, 35s, a lot of flex. And there was a friend of mine here in the Northeast, we call him Crazy Jose. So he has FJ. It's on factory with suspension on 40s. So he basically lock out the suspension fully droop all the time and no flex. When we go to Rouse Creek Off-road Park on a black trot, rock garden type. He's out wheel me everything. He just go through it. He has no flex, but the tire does all the flex with 40-inch tires. But me, I have all the flex, but I got hung up everywhere. So there is just no good or bad. But if we go to Moab, it's smooth, slick rock, things, he may flip over. I I will flex through it. So there's no best. I think a lot of people live their world binary. You're just black or white. You're team A or team B. But it really doesn't work like that. I hope after I post more videos to present a lot of these type of dilemma, the choice need to be made. I think people eventually see, Oh, okay. There's a lot more than that. You actually have to weigh your pros and cons on many variables, not just two. It's just many variables. You smash them together and come up with your best judgment. Yeah. No, absolutely. Like I said, I think you do a good job of conveying that and educating folks on on that because you're an engineer by trade. You think in a very methodical mindset about approaching things. But everyone has different personalities, and some people just think, Well, that looks the best, so it must be the best, or that's visually appealing, or this or that. You're showing a different perspective for choosing how to approach a build, and I think that appeals to folks. Right. Ky, I think you're something like 44 or 45 videos in on your channel now. Is there one that stands out that was the most enjoyable or maybe the funnest to create? I think to create the process, probably tire video, because that does a lot of experiment, a lot of data gathering. But I would say my favorite video is probably why I picked the Tundra build, why I didn't pick the new Toyota and pick the Tundra video. I think if my friends, whether they are car guys or not, if they say, Oh, you are a YouTuber. Show me your video. That video is probably what I'm going to show. That's the link you send them? Okay. Right. Because I think that video has a little more story. It's progresses through it. I feel that's more fun to watch. It's not crazy technical. That's probably my favorite video. That's the hard balance that I have to deal with every day is balancing the technical aspect and the story and the fun, the easy to watch thing. I think that video, I did a decent job in balancing those. Yeah, absolutely. The storytelling and your style, I don't want to say it's evolved, but it's become more personalized. It's a Kai. It's a tinkerer style video, style of storytelling. That's cool because it's your own thing now. I appreciate it. What about videos that don't work out? I can't imagine that there hasn't been some ideas or some projects for a video that you've gotten halfway through and said, This isn't going to work. I shouldn't have gone down this road. Have you had any that you had to give up on? Or are you just too persistent to give up on anything? I think there has to be because on my video, I script it out first. Writing the video takes by far the most time for me. I'm not sure if it may be surprising to people. It takes more time to write the video than to I do the experiment to film things, then to edit. Writing takes me the longest. There are definitely probably some videos I stop writing. Okay. So they never get out of the writer's room. Right. There are videos that didn't do well enough for the amount of time I put in. I think the recent one will be the Tacoma review, the new versus old Tacoma. I circled back to what I said in the beginning. I was one of the first guy to put on hands on the new Tacoma. But because my Toyota has their partner, I cannot post that. I have to wait for my press vehicle. I said, I want a TRD off-road gas. That's it. I don't want anything else. That configuration took over a year to get to me. By the time I can do my video, it's already over a year in. But I don't think that is the only reason it didn't do well, that video. I think that video, when I was writing, I have way too much stuff I want to cram in. I think I spent a month writing that video, just writing. Nothing else, just writing. I had to trim it down a lot. But I think I was probably have too much technical stuff I tried to put in. It lost the story part. That video didn't do very well for the amount of effort I put in. And even we filmed a ton of footage. I had to cut a lot of stuff out just to make it concise enough. So there are definitely things happen like that. But that is true for any type of work in life. It sometimes just doesn't work out. You just have to keep doing, learn from it and try to make the next video better. Well, so speaking of next, Can you give us any teases of what's on the horizon, either for you or for the channel? In another part to that question, have you considered doing any more hardware bumpers or any manufacturing, or are you moving on from that phase and focusing on the channel? I'll answer the second part first. I am actually transitioning I'm moving more towards YouTube and less in product development. The production cost of the bumper is just too high. Even though everything is made here, it's a shop next to me in Pennsylvania, no tariff, but cost is going up because those people, their cost of things are affected by every things. I think my main issue is I don't own the manufacturing. I have to pay a shop that make the bumper and just another layer in between, and the cost is just too high. And even when they raise the... So I'm making one more batch of bumper. Then I'm done, the bumper. The price went up 18%. I said, Wow, that's a lot. Why? They said, Man, we're breaking even if we don't do this. I trust them. We're a good relationship for a good few years. But if you say, Oh, man, if they're breaking even, nobody's making money in this thing. You're like, I was already breaking even. Basically, I'm making one last run to use that some stop parts, and that's it. Which I'm fortunate, before I have to make this decision, my YouTube were on a decent trajectory so that I can afford doing this. Otherwise, I'm going to go back to my 905. Yeah, so that's that. For what's coming on the YouTube, I alluded a little bit before, it's about GVWR. We weighed our truck, and it was pretty shocking. Then I did all the research and talk to people, is it GV? Because in Australia, they call it GVM, Gross Vehicle Mass. That's a more scientific term. As a mass, it's more scientific than weight. They are very serious about that over there. That's right. I look into it. I was first looking into US regulation Registrations, the federal Pennsylvania laws, insurance. Then I look into Australian laws. When they do a GVM, what testing do they do? What exactly do they do? I went through their, it's called the vehicle VSB, they have vehicle standard bulletin or service? I don't know. I forgot what that full name is, but I will look through their document. If they do test a break, how do they test a break? At what speed, doing how many times, and I went through a lot of those. I think I have a decent perspective on the whole thing. Is our weight okay or not or how much okay? Because I think on this issue, it's extreme. Either people say, Oh, don't care. Just go as what, do whatever you want. Or some people say, Oh, it's very... You're car going to break in half if you exceed it by a pound. I wanted to share my research and perspective. And Jean and I did over 4,000 miles for this trip. And what happened? There are some stuff happened to his truck. You'll see in my video. Okay. All right. And after that, it will be some Tundra build related videos because I have a lot of stuff filmed. I just haven't put them together. There's a lot of little things happened on the Tundra. There's more stuff going to happen because I am going to put new suspension on it, but I haven't. Okay, there you go. There's the tease. All right, Ky, before we finish up here, we've got to go through our rapid fire. Since you're a repeat guest, I've got some new rapid fire questions, but it still Campbell cracks me up every time I remember asking you about your camp meal. If you haven't seen the last episode we did a couple of years ago with Ky, where he describes his fondness for Campbell's Chunky soup cold, cold, straight from the can. Go back and catch up on that. I still do that. I have no doubt. On this trip. All right. If you could trade rigs with any YouTuber for a week, whose rig are you taking? Yeah, it was a tough one. I think I have two choices. And after thinking about it, I think my number one choice is last line of defense, his new Ford. That 4. 50. Does it have the K truck on top of it? That's right. Yeah. Oh, that's just right. So that part, the K truck is pretty cool, but I'm most impressed as about the 40-inch tire just fit. Now, he did cut the Fender. But the nice thing about that is they have kits that finish it. I totally cut it. I think that Tacoma has the C4 big tire kit that's finished. Everything else, you're on your own. You have to fabricate stuff. But the four, just you cut it, you finish it, it looks nice. No lift and 40-inch tires. What the hell? And everything's just so big, so strong. I want to check it out. I want to measure the frame, how much taller it is from the Tundra. Because Tundra was already big for me, and now that's the whole new game. The second one is Dirt Lifestyle's Tacoma. Oh, absolutely. All right. That is as- What's he call it? Garth Brooks. Right. That is everything possible is on there. Like a RCRT plus portal? That's usually either or, but now it's both. And the Boeing bed, they chopped the cross member off and made the high clearance from bumper. Everything. He has battery underneath. Like a skid for the drive shaft, and nobody else does that. That's something I'd really like to experience. Yeah, I don't disagree. All right, question number two. If you were not making videos about four-wheel drives in Toyotas, but If you had to have a channel, what totally different topic would you make a channel about? I think I will probably make something science and engineering-related. I can see that. I work with EcoFlow in some extent, and they send me their AC, the wave, EcoFlow wave. It's an AC and heat pump. For that, of course, they want me to do a product review. But what came to mind immediately is talk about the thermodynamics principle of heat pump. I think Jerry Riggs Everything did one. He touched on that. When I saw this, Oh, man, he stole my idea. But the heat pump was actually... When I was in class in college, thermodynamics, heat pump fascinates me because it can... Traditional sense, it exceeds It can be 100% efficiency. It can be more than 100% efficient. That really shocked me. I said, How can that possible? But that's something interesting. I hope I can Basically, have regular people experience that shock through if I can do enough storytelling, and then they will learn something. If I don't do four-wheel drive, that will be, hopefully, my niche, Night floor. Regular people got amazed by nerdy engineering and science topic. Absolutely. Why was Myth Busters such a success? That's right. It was the storytelling of it. No, I can definitely see you succeeding at that. I'm anxious to see your AC video because I have a camper build that's unfolding right now, and I've got to decide how I'm going to do the the AC on that if I'm going to- Like a camper on what? It's a military trailer. My camera is... My hinge is falling here. Let me tighten this up. Well, all right. I'll tease this out there. If you've seen it on my Instagram, it's a military trailer that I've had for a few years that I stripped down and raptor-lined, and I've changed the hubs to match the lug pattern of the truck, and lowered it and done some modifications. I was going to build this camper portion, a four-wheel camper style, to go on top of it. And life has transpired, and you and I were talking, I've been on the road every week, flying around. That's not going to happen anytime soon. I'm not willing to pay the premium for some of these prebuilt systems here. I did the crazy thing and went the China route and reached out directly to the manufacturer. I'm having one built to the exact specs that I want. It is supposed to show up here, ship to my door with all the tariffs and everything included for a third of what I could have purchased something here for that would not have been built to the exact specs. So anyhow, that'll be a whole video for- I would love to see it when it comes. But anyway, so that's why I'm intrigued by your I see video. All right, question number three, what is your drop everything destination? So somewhere you want a wheel or travel that if you got the call and had the ability tomorrow, you're gone? I would say Rubicon. Okay. That has always been on my bucket list, assuming my vehicle is ready. Well, maybe you have to borrow Nate's Tacoma before you go to the Rubicon. Yeah. It was funny. When I was first into FJ, I said, Okay, once I was on 33. I said, Once I have long travel, I'll go to Rubicon. Then I said, Man, I need a 35 to go to Rubicon. And now I think I need bigger to go to Rubicon. It just pushed off. It's also a long drive for me. It's like Coast to Coast. Oh, it is a long drive. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, that is definitely- On the list? Yeah. I have to go there. It might get close off. Who knows? It might get closed one day. So yeah, I have to go Ruby Kong. Okay. All right. Question four, and you've beat around the bush on this episode. On your on your FJ Cruiser, specifically, now that it is destined to be a true trail rig, are you skinny tires pizza cutters forever, or would you ever go back to the dark side? I think what I'm envision for… Nitto makes a 38 by 11. 5, R17. Trial grappler. I think that's what I'm eyeing on. I think for the FJ, the main driver for Narrow is still Fit. That's my number one driver. The performance, probably going to happen some. For wheel, I'm not sure. I'm not sure if I'm going to keep the Rock Warrior 6-Log or I go back to B-Log. But I think the narrow is mostly fit. It'll be easier to fit. And performance on the rock, if I am not compensating for wheel by a lot, then it will still have the flex benefit on the narrow wheel I have. Okay. Yeah. So maybe is the end. All right. Yeah. All right. Last question, Ky. What is your camp comfort item? What's the bougey item that you Really, nobody needs to bring camping, but you always have it in the truck? For this, I would say, I already made a video about it. I already made a video. It's my microwave. You know how my... Oh, I haven't shown you my video yet, but it will be. On this trip, my RCSP, I said there's a room behind my seat. And Tundra, because it's wide, my What's that thing called? Center? No. The console? The console? Yeah. Okay, the center console is also wide. It's designed to sit a people in there in the middle. Because of that width, right behind the center console, I put a microwave. No way. Both our seats can still lean back and the microwave fit under it. Anytime, even on the row or at camp, you open the passenger door and the passenger seat falls flat because it's a work truck. It falls forward and flat. You have perfect access to my microwave. You're just rolling down the road and you got pizza rolls or whatever just going in the microwave. Exactly. Or I leftover food, whatever, just put it in. It's hot. That's going to be the new trend. Everybody was trying to get the coolers, get the refrigerators in the center console. Now, that was before. Now, you want a microwave. That's right. My microwave is behind the center console, so I still We have the center console for stuff, and behind it is the microwave. On top of the microwave, I found a little fridge. It's an 18-quart or 20-quart. It's narrow and tall. So microwave, on top of it is a fridge, a tiny fridge. And still, both our seats can go back. Because the Tundra is so wide, you can sit this type of stuff in the middle. That was It's all cheap stuff. The microwave is like 49 bucks on Walmart, the cheapest one. I used it for years. It was in my FJ. I took it out and put it in the Tundra. It has went through a lot of off-road miles and still works. Amazing. All right. Well, good deal. Ky, this has been great. This has been very informative and I hope entertaining for the viewers as well to get a little a little bit of a behind-the-scenes peak at Kai's thought process and how he puts this content together. I appreciate you coming back on. I look forward to us catching up again down down down down down down down down Thank you very much for having me. I look forward to seeing your LX transformation and your camper build. The LX will be seen very soon because it's going to get put to the test here in just a couple of weeks at MardiCrawl, which is where it ended up flooded and gutded before. So not this year. I'm going to win this year. Amazing. Look forward to it. All right. See you, Kai. See you next time.