The 4 Pillars to Reverse Autoimmune Disease | Dr. Amy Myers, MD

What if autoimmune disease isn’t just genetics but a result of your environment, stress, and even trauma?

In this episode, Dr. Amy Myers, New York Times bestselling author of The Autoimmune Solution, breaks down the real root causes of autoimmune disease and why it’s becoming more common than ever.

We dive into:

• The 4 pillars of reversing autoimmune disease
  
  
• The connection between gut health and immunity
  
  
• How trauma impacts your physical health
  
  
• Why toxins are unavoidable and what to do about it
  
  
• Functional medicine vs traditional medicine
  
  
• New insights since COVID and how health has changed
  
  

Dr. Myers also shares her personal journey with Graves’ disease and how she’s helped thousands of patients reclaim their health.

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🔗 Dr. Brooke Stubbs, MD

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autoimmunity has gotten worse. There are more people with autoimmunity. It's hitting people younger, just like we're seeing with all of the cancers. The world has changed. And how has the world changed? The world has really changed in terms of Covid, right? I mean, we have Covid as an infection. We have mRNA vaccines now for Covid. our environment is more toxic than it used to be. We have to be even more vigilant about detoxing things that I've learned in my own life and through patients over the last ten years is about the trauma and its role in autoimmunity. With the. Help! Welcome to the Vibrant Wellness podcast. I'm your host, doctor Brooke Stubbs. Today I'm joined by Doctor Amy Myers, a physician, functional medicine pioneer, and the New York Times bestselling author of The Autoimmune Solution, a book that shifts the perspective on autoimmune disease. Over the past decade, her work has helped bring root cause medicine into the mainstream, especially for women navigating complex and often misunderstood conditions. Amy, thank you so much for joining us today. I'm excited to be here. Thanks for having me. More than an autoimmune solution. Tell us about your other books you've also authored and your cookbook I want to know more. Sure. So the first book that I ever wrote was The Autoimmune Solution. It's about, you know, preventing or reversing autoimmune conditions. It became an instant New York Times bestseller. Still sells incredibly well. So I've been begging my, you know, my editor and everybody to let me do a new edition, which they did not want me to do forever because it's still selling. And then recently they said yes. So I'll be turning in that manuscript later, in a couple of weeks, and that will come out later this year with a revised edition. And we can talk about that right after that. I wrote The Thyroid Connection, which is really about how to work with your physician, how to interpret your labs with your physician, making sure that you're on the right type of supplemental thyroid hormone. I like to call it supplemental thyroid hormone. Most people call it medication. And it's really not medication. I mean, it's it's akin to biochemical hormones, insulin if you are a diabetic. So these are lifesaving hormones for people. And so that really teaches you how to reverse Hashimoto's, how to reverse graves disease. That's what I had was graves disease. I did not have the benefit of knowing me. So I had my thyroid ablated. But, I have successfully helped, you know, really thousands of people around the world reverse their graves disease as well as Hashimoto's. And then I wrote a cookbook that goes along with, well, frankly, both books, because they follow my autoimmune protocol. The Myers way is what I call it. And so it's the Autoimmune Solution cookbook. So it's just filled with lots of autoimmune friendly recipes that can be used alongside, the autoimmune solution or the thyroid connection. But both of those books, the thyroid connection and the autoimmune solution, come with 30 day plans that have full recipes and tell you exactly what to do, so you don't need to get the cookbook in order to do the plan. You can. Yeah. You know, it's just supplemental recipes. If you'd like them. This is fabulous. I want to I want to dive into all of it. What is so fascinating to me is that you have created a bestselling book, and you are dying to evolve it. And so talk to me about that. Like, what is it that was really true that you feel so compelled to change or to evolve or to expand on in this new version, what ten years later holds your whole decade later? You know, it's really is still the go to book for anybody with autoimmunity. And so that's why they they didn't want me to redo the book. And in fact, they just wanted me to kind of put a new cover on and say, ten year anniversary. And I put my foot down, frankly. And I said, no, I'm not going to do that. The world has changed and changes all the time. We find out new information and clinically things change. And just based on environmental factors, I think it's it's funny because unless you're in medicine, you have these, you feel like they're almost solid truths and then they can change. So tell me more about like, well, yeah, I mean actually the fundamentals So tell me more about like, well, yeah, I mean actually the fundamentals of the program have not changed. So I mean, it's it's not as if I've learned something that it was like I was telling you to get off grains, and that is not what to do. Now. There is no big, that no longer holds true. In fact, autoimmunity has gotten worse. In fact, autoimmunity has gotten worse. There are more people with autoimmunity. It's hitting people younger, just like we're seeing with all of the cancers. The world has changed. And how has the world changed? The world has really changed in terms of Covid, right? I mean, we have Covid as as an infection. We have mRNA vaccines now for Covid. And so our our environment is more toxic than it used to be. So you can still pick up the old book and still reverse your autoimmunity. What has changed is our environment in explaining how these things, you know, affect us. And then We have to be even more vigilant about detoxing and then things that I've learned in my own life and through patients over the last ten years is about the trauma and its role in autoimmunity. the last ten years is about the trauma and its role in autoimmunity. I didn't even mention trauma in my in my first book. And, one of the chapters is healing infections and relieving stress. And I added and letting go of trauma. So I have an entire section on Covid, the Covid vaccine, trauma. And then what has emerged as many more modalities to help us out. Right. To help us with with detoxing, to help us with recovering, things such as To help us with with detoxing, to help us with recovering, things such as and I've tried most all of these myself, so I don't really talk about them online. All of the biohackers and the longevity people talking about this, I don't really talk about all the stuff that I do, but you name it, I've pretty much tried it. So when I had Graves Disease, the gold standard besides taking medication was to do something called plasmapheresis. That is where they are literally pulling the plasma out of your body and then putting in new plasma or putting an albumin in its place. And that is supposed to take out all the trash. It's sort of like a oil change for your body. So it takes out all of these antibodies with autoimmunity. Well, it seemed, of course, extremely extreme. And there was like, no way in the world was I going to do something like this now, probably ten years ago, that process might have taken 6 to 10 hours as it was, but it was considered pretty extreme. Now there are physicians doing this in their offices now, and I have now actually done plasmapheresis just to sort of give it a try. And it was a two hour process. It was painless. It was easy. Did you feel great afterwards? I felt great afterwards. So, I mean, it's one of those things that you probably, depending on what's going on with you want to do it a number of times. And if this clinic was closer to me, I probably would. But, you know, requires a flight and all these other things. But so there are a lot of things that have come about that are just more accessible to people, right? I mean, you see these wellness centers popping up on every corner that have, you know, IV, vitamin C, IV, glutathione They have hyperbaric chambers, they have, frequency machines, they have bio chargers, they have cryo machines. I mean, you're just seeing access to modalities that were, only generally in a hospital setting are now being found on street corners in every major city. And so it is, you know, these things still do require you to pay out of pocket. They still are expensive, but it is becoming much more accessible. And I see this only becoming more and more accessible for people. And I'm just like in my mind, I'm thinking about the landscape of all these things. Because you're right, we used to see these modalities under research in various, you know, academic institutions. Now they're becoming mainstream before all the studies are done. And so I think that there's a balance really with especially, like you were you and I were both trained in Western medicine culture. Right? We don't do anything until we have the science to back it up. And I think that there's a a balance of trying to be open minded to the things that haven't had the evidence or the FDA trials behind them, because they're really helping people. How do you kind of how do you walk that line in your practice? Because you had all you had your residency training in Western medicine, and then you shifted gears into functional medicine. And so I'm sure there's a lot of those nuances in your practice. So I have retired clinically. So in, you know, I did have a practice for a decade and, and yes, I was trained in Western medicine, but I went into medical school with the idea that I would be but I went into medical school with the idea that I would be doing what I was ultimately doing, which is functional medicine. I just didn't know what it was called. So I did all of my electives in integrative medicine. I started a complementary and alternative interest group in medical school. I, I went and spent a month with Doctor Andrew while my fourth year of medical school in residency. One of the reasons that I picked up trauma in Baltimore was with the hopes of they had a big alternative, and complementary medicine, fellowship program there at the time. and complementary medicine, fellowship program there at the time. And so I did, you know, any time I had an elective, any time I could write a paper, it was always on, a more natural approach. I could write a paper, it was always on, a more natural approach. And really, I picked emergency medicine because if you know my personality, I can think very quickly on my feet and make decisions very quickly. But, it really was one of the only parts of conventional medicine that I really believed in, right? I mean, if you're shot, you you do not want to go to a functional medicine practitioner. You want to get yourself to the E.R.. And so, you know, my thought process was if I couldn't figure out what it was And so, you know, my thought process was if I couldn't figure out what it was because I still had never heard of functional medicine until I was actually out of residency and then met Mark Hyman. But I you know, I figured if I never figured out what functional medicine was or found exactly what I wanted to do, I could always do international health or third world medicine. I had been in the Peace Corps and things like that. So, you know, and I do think in emergencies, of course, you want things that are tried and true and have been tested. But I think that when you're an emergency situation, you're going to do whatever it is to save that person. And I probably that same kind of thing. I mean, I've learned along the way to really use my intuition. And I remember a particular patient coming to see me, and she had something called poly myositis, and she was in a wheelchair, and I actually had never met her. She was doing a consult online and or not online. where you could just, you know, we could do it over the internet. And I just got the intuition hit that like she needed to do 20 sessions of hyperbaric. And so I just said, look, you know, we've hit a plateau with everything. Go do 20 sessions of hyperbaric medicine and, call me back. And she called me back and she was walking. She was no longer in the wheelchair just from the hyperbaric. So, it's probably a long winded answer of, I mean, most of the things that I am recommending to people are tested. I mean, you know, hyperbaric has many, many tasks. Maybe not in, a setting of the, the layperson, because that's just becoming more mainstream. But there are, you know, in diabetic wound healing and of course, the bends. I mean, all of the things that they do use it for, you know, they're I don't know about clinical studies of Lyme, but, you know, it's one of these things that we know that Lyme can't survive in a hyper oxygen, you know, state. But so I would use it for that all the time. But there are more and more studies. My half sister recently had a turbo cancer and unfortunately passed away at 31. But, you know, I was trying to convince her to get into hyperbaric. So the, the company that I use, they sent me a bunch of studies, you know, using hyperbaric oxygen in stage for cancer. So there there are more and more studies. I mean, I can't think that there's anything that I'm recommending that isn't, you know, FDA approved. But again, we have to remember a lot of these things are natural modalities. They, when there's not money to patent them and things like that. They, when there's not money to patent them and things like that. And so then there's less money for studies, you know, when you're dealing with stuff like that. you know, when you're dealing with stuff like that. So and like I think, yeah, maybe they have studies, but they're still fringe in terms of the traditional medical care. And I think that it's important for our practitioners who are listening to be open minded to those things that could give the better results, because we don't learn about hyperbaric oxygen as a treatment modality in medical school, it takes being either an integrative physician and continuing to stay up on these studies and, or a functional medicine doctor. So I just I kind of want to, to lean on how do we integrate all of these things and not focus on acute symptoms as opposed to real cause, which is what you're so good at. And so let's talk about root cause of autoimmune disease. And so let's talk about root cause of autoimmune disease. Tell us what this immune disease, what is kind of changing your mind or what systems approach to take when people do that. So, you know, I have a four pillar program, as I mentioned, and it's, and it's, heal your gut. as I mentioned, and it's, and it's, heal your gut. So we know I mean, again, I don't know how well versed if you So we know I mean, again, I don't know how well versed if you if this is mostly for practitioners, I'm sure most of them have all heard about leaky gut and its role in autoimmune. Back to the studies with Alessio Fasano, who's really the person that they discovered and named Sonya Lin, which gets released when you have a leaky gut. But, you know, it's it's it's considered, you know, part of a three prong, what I want to say, mechanism to creating autoimmunity means now what we think creates cancer, as well as having this leaky gut. I have getting rid of gluten, grains and legumes. And that's coming from, someone who was a vegetarian for 27 years. Then I have, the, the healing your infections, relieving your stress. And now I have letting go of trauma. And now I have letting go of trauma. And, let's see what is my fourth pillar? Oh, I mean, toxins, getting, you know, getting rid of toxins, which, How what modalities or what approach would you want people to take who are just starting in this journey? And what do you think they might not know? Yeah. But it's it's there in in my mind, there are sort of five pieces to the puzzle or there are these four pillars. And so that's where we're going to be getting rid of gluten grains and legumes. So we're getting rid of toxic inflammatory foods, irritating foods to the gut. you're you're getting rid of, things like sugar and alcohol doesn't mean we have to do this forever, but we're going to be doing this for at least 30, 60, 90 days, you know, kind of depending on your healing journey, we're going to be healing the gut. And then, you know, there's a four hour program and healing the gut. I follow the very, you know, same as the Institute for Functional Medicine. I mean, the the typical four hour where you're, where are you going to be removing inflammatory foods like we just talked about the sugars, GMOs, things like that. We're going to be, we're going to be adding any in anything We're going to be, we're going to be adding any in anything that you're missing, such as digestive enzymes, bile salts, stomach acid. We're going to be getting rid of infections like Candida, Sibo, overgrowth, things like that. Then we're going to be going back in and restoring anything that, you know, might be missing. And then we're going to be, you know, adding in and re inoculating with some good high dose probiotics, depending on what gut infections you have, we're going to be taming the toxins. And we just talked about how, you know, incredibly toxic our world is. And you know I kind of take a two pronged approach to toxins. One is really preventing them from coming in to the best of your ability. I mean, when you walk outside, all bets are off. But so I talked to people about trying to do this in their home or if they still go into an office, what can you do? How the toxins get in. They come in, in the air we breathe. So having Hepa filters and having to the best of your ability, a nontoxic environment without furniture that's off gassing and and things like that. How do they we also, you know, eat and drink them in. How do they we also, you know, eat and drink them in. So eating organic, drinking filtered clean water and then through our skin. So that's body products. It's cleaning products. All these things. So just getting all of this stuff out and having as clean as possible environment where you're spending most of your time, I'm here, environment where you're spending most of your time, I'm here, I've traveled here, you know, I travel, I eat out, I do all these things. So I really try to maintain in my house like there's nothing that's not organic. I have Hepa air filters throughout. Well, I mean, I have a very sophisticated house, which is a whole different story in, in Santa Fe that I, that I built, but, which is a whole different story in, in Santa Fe that I, that I built, but, you know, preventing that from coming in so that when you do go out in the world, you are at least walking out in the world with a lower body burden of toxins. And then you got to work to get them out. I mean, it's not like, oh, let's go on a cleanse once or twice a year. This is like every day we need to be detoxing because unfortunately, we do live in this toxic world. And so how do you get rid of toxins? You Pee them outt. You poop them out, you sweat them out. I have an infrared sauna. I live in the desert. I don't sweat if I don't get in the sauna. So making sure you're sweating, drinking lots of filtered water to pee and, you know, having several bowel movements a day. And then you, of course, you can take some, you know, assimilated glutathione, own liver, protect various things to help your liver processes, stuff out, binders, things like that. If that's something you feel you need. And then and then we have the healing infections, relieving stress and letting go of trauma. So these infections are latent infections things like Epstein-Barr herpes. And now we have to bring in Covid. You know we didn't have Covid before. I mean there many, many people who, you know, have actually been diagnosed with long Covid. And then you have people who haven't yet been diagnosed and they don't really know, you know, but it potentially for many people, Covid now is an underlying infection for them that they need to, you know, get out. now is an underlying infection for them that they need to, you know, get out. So I've just created we haven't launched it yet a spike protein detox supplement So I've just created we haven't launched it yet a spike protein detox supplement to help people, you know, detox out Covid and then, relieving stress. You know, it's really hard to not have any stress in the world that we live in. You know, it's really hard to not have any stress in the world that we live in. So it's really about finding the things that help you pause and relieve that. So whether that's meditation, that's going for a walk, playing with your pets, playing with your kids, golfing, whatever the thing is for you that helps bring you joy. And just at least, you know, relieve some of that stress. And then as I mentioned, you know, after ten years in practice and then just, you know, realizing some things in my own life, you know, the number of people that come, came to see me with autoimmunity that, you know, had trauma. It was virtually everybody. Right? I mean, there are what we call small t traumas. Those are, you know, could be, you know, getting in a very, you know, fender bender at a red light to, being spooked about something right to and then larger t traumas. And those are, of course, you know, bigger things, divorce, a death, you know, physical assault, things like that. And it's really what I like is Gabor, mate, how he talks about. It's not really the trauma that happened to you. It's how you process it and what you could have the same trauma as me and how the two of us process those things based on our upbringing and our lives and the traumas we've already had. You could something could happen to you and you could just, you know, walk away from it and never think about it again and just not even think of it as a big deal. Whereas I might have had a certain upbringing or something. And that same thing happened to me, and I'm about it, or it's tipped me, you know, over into, you know, PTSD or something. So I built this very sophisticated house in I've been sick with toxic mold several times in my life, lost everything to mold three times. So I built for, spent four years and a lot of money and time and energy to design and build a very sophisticated house in Santa Fe that has no wood in it, so that I would never be sick with mold again. And long story short, they did not follow the engineers plans and my dryer vent, was leaking with, dryer vent lint. So I within six months ended up with mold spores in my house. And so I then got diagnosed with PTSD. I wasn't sick with the mold, but because we immediately left town because it was the Christmas holidays and when we walked in the door. I'm so sensitive to mold. I turned to my husband and I was like, oh shit, you know, we have a massive problem. Luckily, we had a place we could move into, moved out for six months, got it all remediated, but I thought to myself, I just spent all this time energy, money, everything to be over every detail of this house. The dryer vents. Not something that I would have thought. You know, I was thinking roof windows, you know, all this stuff. And so, yeah, I mean, I was incapacitated for almost a year, unable to work. I mean, all this stuff. And I was diagnosed with PTSD. I mean, then we ended up a huge lawsuit and all the stuff for which I prevailed. But, you know, I had to go through a lot of things, something called eMDR. I mean, just a lot of things to, to get me off of that PTSD spectrum. And, so that was another reason that I brought And, so that was another reason that I brought trauma into the book because I myself, you know, experienced something, you know, and to someone else who hasn't lost everything to mold three times, this might not have been a big deal, but for me, it was incapacitating. I mean, I was like, if I am not safe there, where in the world will I ever be safe? And it just kicked me into this cascade, of of, you know, post-traumatic stress. And every time I walked past the laundry room where the leak happened, you know, I would have these reactions and, I think that I and I this is just speaking to me so deeply. I just went through a very traumatic event with my son, who was five years old. He had a stroke. And so I was for about a month, incapacitated. Right. I, I was mentally there as like a medical provider to do things for me, for my son. But as soon as I stepped away from that setting, I couldn't do anything. And, I'm just now, is it eight weeks later or maybe seven weeks later? Getting back to a little bit of myself, but I still feel really bogged down by that trauma. And then you talk about PTSD. If I see one picture of what he was going through in the hospital, I can feel those feelings immediately. And I was speaking to a mother who saw a picture of him who had a similar situation with your child, and again, you can feel this feelings immediately. It's like, yeah, exactly what you're saying about trauma. And I think that, yes, that mold is going to trigger that trauma for you. But I think people don't realize what those maybe small time traumas, like a boss who is, you know, malignant to them and their personality. And every day they're walking into that same situation. And I think so many of us in America as women to who we push through and we don't complain and we do worse messages, but we keep putting ourselves in those traumatic situations, not knowing what that what that's doing to our health, to our immune system, to our gut, to any, any system there. And I think it is so true. What is like the first step that you want to tell patients who might be turning up a little bit, they're going, this is me. What can they do? What steps are they have to take? How do they start to form boundaries so their health can benefit? Yeah. So first, I'm very sorry to hear about your son. That's sounds, you know, very traumatic is almost bringing me to tears just thinking about it. You know, I think patients used to come and say like, oh, my God, you. Thank you so much. You saved my life. You did this in the other. And and I would say, well, I appreciate it. It was a it was a joint effort. But one of the main things that I was doing was teaching people to understand how they feel, whether it is when they eat a certain food, whether it is when they walk into a certain environment and they can feel that the air is not, you know, how they want it to be. Or they walk into environments with people that are not a good situation for them. And so I think that we've just become sort of, immune to a lot of things. Right? Like it's just the world is really heavy right now. And so it's it's really difficult to like, absorb it all. We have information coming at us from all angles if you get on social media and, and so sometimes we just don't want to feel. And I think it's just really important that you do get rid of all those distractions if you can, so that you can really tune into yourself and tuning into yourself to know, like, is this good for me or is it not? and tuning into yourself to know, like, is this good for me or is it not? And that can stand for literally anything from a toxic person to a toxic, you know, air environment to, toxic food for you. And I think that's just probably one of the most important, important things to do. I mean, I this is a very different situation, but it involves my child. I have a nine year old daughter who, had always been at Montessori, and then she moved to a very small private school in Santa Fe. And then and we immediately had some issues in the way that the administration handled. It was extremely off putting. And, so I was ready to sort of bow out right then and there. But she was happy. And but the problems continued, and they started into bullying and telling her that she was overweight and fat. And I'm thinking, you know, one of the reasons I left Austin is because I just thought we would be getting these pressures really early in life for a girl. I know we'll be dealing with it in middle school, high school. But like, I didn't think I would be dealing with it in first grade in Santa Fe and again, just the administration not doing anything about it. And then we have some friends that have a, conservancy in Africa, in Kenya. And we had gone two years ago and we went again. And so the people there absolutely love her. She loves Africa. And she is just so loved. And one night she just like the lights were out. You probably know this with your kid. Like you know, you're in the bed and the lights are out and then all the conversation starts coming, right? They just download everything and I she just started downloading how mean the children were and how she was getting bullied and how she was treated. And I'm thinking to myself, this is back to an environment. I'm thinking, why in the world is this coming out now? You know, we're like in Africa. And I thought, I think it is because these people love her so much. They are so excited to see her back that she is feeling what it feels like to be liked and to be loved and to be cared for. And she now knows that this environment at this small private school in Santa Fe, in these people, are so horrible to her that she just like it hit her like this. This is what it feels like. And that is bad for me. And then literally she's telling me this and I'm like under the covers trying to hide and, you know, not cry in front of her. And I'm just emailing new schools of like, hi, we're out of the country when I get back, you know? And I pulled her and she is back to herself. I mean, I don't want to say she's a different child because she's the child that she was before she was at this private school, right? I mean, she is back to her curious self. She jumps up, she wants to go to school. She has friends. You know, all this is she's thriving. You know, all this is she's thriving. And so my point of all of this is environmental and how, you know, just even at a small age, teaching your children, which is one of the things I do with my child, is like, how does this make you feel? I, I, for the most part, keep her gluten free and dairy free, but she'll eat it sometimes. And now she's starting to see like her tummy hurts when she eats gluten. She was in a bad environment and I you know, it's hard as a parent you don't like. Even though I knew it was bad, she still enjoyed it and so I didn't want to force and make her leave. But once she gave me that okay, it was like, we are out of there. And then, you know, she I was literally driving to pick her up the other day and I was like, My God, it's only been like a week. And it's like, again, I don't want to say completely different child because she's back to my child. But it's it's like, what is the only variable here? It is an environment that she was in. She was like one child. Yeah, mine. I've seen with my own child. It's like one little piece of the puzzle can really tilt their whole world, right? It can put them on edge. That nervous system, connection to the immune system, to the gut that it really can topple your health. another thing that I want to want to talk about, you've already mentioned it's something that I think parents struggle with. And I don't have the right answer for them. And I want to know your take on obviously Covid had a lot the infection itself, but the mRNA vaccine that, you know, so many of us rushed to get and now there's some data unraveling around that. What do you think that did to some of our systems? What do you think the issues are? And then talk to me more about how people can approach that if they're concerned that that might be a part of their health journey. Yeah. And before I answer that question, I just I want to circle back to what we were just saying, eMDR, which is like a rapid eye movement we were just saying, eMDR, which is like a rapid eye movement desensitization that reprograms your brain to this trauma and rewires it. Anybody dealing especially with an acute trauma, I mean, I would highly suggest it or recommend it for you if it's something you're interested in. You know, I tried it many years ago for just, you know, like, my my mother had passed away and, and, you know, childhood, divorce and things like that. And I just could not tap into those emotions. And so I did not find it effective with the House League. It didn't take me any time to like, trigger that just panic. And so it was very easy to access that. And eMDR was extremely effective. So just hearing you talking about, you know, looking at pictures of your son and things like that, so anybody who's dealing with an acute trauma or even a recent trauma that can easily be triggered into that, you know, state of anxiety, I personally find that eMDR is extremely effective in those scenarios. So just back to the listeners. If there's anybody, you know, a practitioner that has a patient, I would highly recommend that. And then, you know, if there's anybody who's actually listening and, you know, dealing with the recent trauma, I think eMDR can be very effective at that, because that's something I've consider. Is that really, provider dependent or is that, the same throughout? I do think that it is like anything it is provider dependent. So that, I mean, could have been my, my issue, I don't know. I was fortunate to, you know, have my physician, who's in Tennessee recommend someone that he thought very highly of. And so, I did her and then when she realized I was actually going to end up in a lawsuit, I ended up getting her licensed in New Mexico. And so, I mean, I was just very fortunate that she was willing to do that for me. And then she ultimately, I flew her to New Mexico at the very end, and we walked through every room of my house, and she desensitized me, in my house. So, I've done a podcast with her on my own podcast, Ginger pong. So, I mean, if there's anybody in the Tennessee area or, or New Mexico area, I can highly, highly recommend her. And you can check out the podcast. Here in Texas, you know, I don't know, but yeah, I think it's one of these things that, like most things, it is it is provider dependent. Yes. Yeah. So back to the the question. I mean, I think, I think, the data is now starting to come out. I mean, I think, I think, the data is now starting to come out. I think that there's no doubt that both the mRNA vaccine and actual and known Covid infection, create havoc and inflammation in your body. And inflammation is the root of all evil and can be a cascade. And depending on, as we already know, your already your health status, your gut status, your microbiome status, you're probably more AFR and other factors that are involved in clotting. You know, all of these things play a role in how we fare with Covid as the natural infection. And also I think the vaccine, you know, I mean, when the vaccines started rolling out, they were like, it just stays in your arm or okay, now it goes throughout your body, but within, you know, a week it stopped replicating. They're now finding, you know, studies where it's replicating in people. Many years later, they're finding tumors where they're finding the spike protein in, in the tumor. So they are actually identifying the mechanisms of action, where it, stops all of your not all, but it stops a certain cascade of surveillance genes and surveillance, cells to be looking for cancer. And so I think we can all say that the world has changed since Covid came on the scene. Covid and the vaccines. Right? I mean, how many? My mother died of pancreatic cancer 30 years ago. Nobody had creative cancer back then. Now you're hearing of I mean, I just was on Instagram and got serve this person that I don't even follow. She looks like she's like a 28 to 32 year old, very healthy looking woman, three children under five. And she's crying in the hospital that she went in for one thing and now has stage four stomach cancer. And, you know, then I'm looking at her bio and it says registered nurse. And she was a surgical nurse up until a year ago when her son was born. My sister, half sister, was an ICU nurse and had six Covid vaccines, mRNA vaccines and got a turbo breast cancer. And in 18 months, you know, nothing worked for it. It actually had a RET mutation in it, which is normally a neuroendocrine tumor. So there are all these again, I'm not saying that it's simply the mRNA vaccine. I mean, I do think it's like everything in medicine it is, you know, what is your microbiome? What you know, what are you doing? What are your traumas? What are your, epigenetics. You know, what what is going on here? And it's not one thing, but it we know, I mean, I know, I'm a person that I have a history of autoimmunity. I mean, I know, I'm a person that I have a history of autoimmunity. When I was in the Peace Corps, every Wednesday for three months was vaccine day. And then I got back from the Peace Corps and I was going to medical school, and they said, you need the hepatitis B vaccine. I said, well, I already got it in the Peace Corps. They're like, well, you just need another one. I said, well, why don't we check a titer first and see? And so, they checked the titer and I had no immunity to hepatitis B, even though I had done all three rounds of the shot. so they gave me a booster, and then we checked my titers again, and I had no immunity to the hepatitis vaccine, so I, I went through medical school not immune to hepatitis B. Luckily, they didn't make me, you know, keep continuing. So they just, I guess, said, like, you're a fluke. You're not a person who mounts an immune response. So between my history of auto immunity, I've had a history of chronic fatigue that I solved through my program. And then this, you know, odd scenario where I didn't mount an immune response to a vaccine, and I was part of a journal club, and I had heard all of this stuff about antigenic priming, which is really the thought that, you know, many of these mRNA vaccines, they've done in animals prior to them releasing it in Covid, and many of the animals died because it's called antigenic priming, where what was happening with the mRNA vaccine is that when they then saw the actual infection, it amplified and replicated that infection. And so then the animals died. And so they never brought these to market. I was part of a journal club, and I was seeing this research coming out, and I was like, oh yeah, no, like I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't like, I don't know what's going on with this Covid thing, but like, I don't know what to do, but this does not sound like a good thing to me. So we, you know, at this point had basically moved to Santa Fe and we were on five acres and my daughter was going to a little Montessori school that was mostly outside, and it was six kids. And honestly, like that was our only risk factor. We both worked from home and stuff, so, we did not do it. We both worked from home and stuff, so, we did not do it. Interestingly, I also did not require anybody in my office to do it. And at this point I had 50 employees. And so I did just say I'd like to take a survey. How many, you know, who got vaccinated? How many vaccines have you had and how many times if you had Covid, the more vaccines people had, the more times they had Covid. Now, I'm not saying that that's like antigenic priming. It could be that I had a lot of young people working in my office, and at the time they were telling us that when you got the vaccine that you were protected. Right? I mean, they they told us that. And so it could be that these people then were going out and, you know, it was Texas, right? You could still go out to restaurants. You could go you go to bars, you could do all kinds of stuff. So I'm not suggesting that that is, you know, a direct, you know, causation. But it was interesting that those that had more vaccines, you know, had, had more Covid infection. So, I don't know if I fully answered your question. I do believe I was very quiet during Covid because I saw so many people get shut down. I saw a lot of, I saw, you know, just a lot of censorship happening. And, you know, as a person with a medical license, I it's my livelihood. And so I just really didn't say either way, now that there's a different administration and it seems a little more acceptable to be, you know, fessing up that you weren't vaccinated and things like that. I'm talking about it more, but, you know, the science is coming out slowly. I do think that, that there still is a lot of censorship going on, but they are really starting to figure out some of the mechanisms for these, for cancer, in particular for autoimmunity. I mean, there's a lot of case reports of people either getting Covid or getting the mRNA vaccine and then getting Hashimoto's or getting thyroiditis, getting graves. I mean, there are I mean, the number of people that I know personally that have a history of autoimmunity and then either chose or were forced to get, the mRNA vaccine and then, you know, it kicked back up their autoimmunity or a different autoimmune condition. I mean, these are all antidotes old that we've heard. The number of people that I have heard that have had strokes, you know, I mean, now they know Johnson and Johnson. You know, I know several physicians that were over 60 and took Johnson and Johnson and they had strokes. I mean, you know, I it's hard to, you know, say because a lot of these things are not happening, you know, within 24 hours they're happening a month or a year later. But I think this goes back to at least in some people with the mRNA vaccine. We do know that it can continue to replicate for years later. And so that could be the mechanism of action of what's happening. And then when you talk about the spike protein in your new, product that's coming out, what does that look like? How does that help and when can people get it? Where do they go? Yeah. So I mean, it's really about, I don't actually have a launch date, so but it will be this year. I currently have a bottle sitting, sitting in my house, but yeah. We tried everything out there and they're thinking, okay, this might be part of my problem. How do I even remedy it? So if they can't get your thing, tell us about your. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, it's really about you know, like what it's about trying to degrade the what's happening with the spike protein, whether it's, you know, again if you actually are having I don't want to put I don't I personally was against the mRNA vaccine. So we'll just state that out there if you can't tell. However I'm not trying to you know, in the book, yes, I distinguish between the vaccine, but all of these things can happen with a natural Covid infection as well. It's just they're not happening, you know, as often or as severe, but they can happen. All of these things can happen because it's all, you know, based on the spike protein in their spike protein when you have a natural infection as well. So, so, you know, I personally when I, I've, I've had Covid twice and I just followed the FLCC protocol. Again, I was lucky as a physician I could, you know, order, ivermectin for myself. So I did these things. But what is happening is that you know, is really up regulating this cascade of inflammatory cascade and also of, of clotting factors. And so, nano kinase is something that is typically recommended, like on the FLCCC website to help degrade these clots. And that's one of the main factors of what is contributing of course, to the people with the strokes. But, you know, with all of the some of the other, issues with having Covid or, you know, having the spike protein in you. So that's one of the main ingredients is the nano kinase to help break down clots. What can people do, to I think hyperbaric is excellent for anybody dealing with long Covid or dealing with acute Covid. And so, you know, I'm very fortunate. I own a hyperbaric machine. And it's actually one of the things, as all this was happening in New York, and they were putting them on the ventilators, those of us in the in the Journal Club were saying, these people need to be in a hyperbaric machine, not on a ventilator. But so when I got Covid, I got in my hyperbaric machine for a while, and then I stopped getting in it, and I ended up getting a lot of fatigue. I mean, like, the brain fog, like, couldn't think like, severe fatigue to the point that we were in Santa Fe, where I live at 7500ft and we all flew non contagious, but we all flew down to Austin because I thought, well, if this is an oxygen problem and I'm already at 70 500ft, why don't I get down to sea level? So we came here. I did feel better. But then when we went back, the fatigue came back. And so I got in my hyperbaric machine again. And normally I can't feel anything in my hyperbaric. So I'm just like, okay. I mean, I know it's helpful, but I don't actually feel anything. And within a few sessions, my fatigue was completely gone. So people who've reached out about long Covid and stuff, I do have told them, go get in a hyperbaric machine. And I've heard that story over and over again. Fascinating. You say this, I seeing so much altitude sickness, people go up in altitude 100 times. I never felt sick before. Such and such day or this is it's actually fascinating. So anyway, this is this is such great information. Tell me there's two questions I have and you can choose which one you want to answer. First, I wanted to hear about like kind of. I want to hear about frequency healing. I think you mentioned that in your book. I also want to hear about Covid and thyroid issues. I was coming out with a new thyroid zoom where they test flight all of these tests in terms of your thyroid health. And so I would just be interested to hear your take on looking at the thyroid and really assessing at full rate. So you tell me, where do we want to talk about. If you suspect you have a thyroid issue, you have a thyroid issue, a known thyroid, a known thyroid issue. I mean, my book, The Thyroid Connection. Really the reason I didn't call it the thyroid solution, or one there was already a book out there, but two, I felt like for some people you couldn't get the whole solution just in the book because you might need supplemental thyroid hormone. I don't have a thyroid. If I don't take supplemental thyroid hormone, I would die. So you really do need to work with a physician if you're somebody who needs to get on supplemental thyroid hormone, and it is not a failure if you have to do that. So, so the book is really there to help you interpret your lab test. The book is there to help you work with your doctor to know which labs to get. I mean, right off the bat, I always get a free T3, free T4, generally a reverse T3, TSH, and then auto, you know, auto antibodies for, for the thyroid to just see if you don't have any thyroid anybodies, you don't need to keep getting those unless you want to screen yourself once a year or something like that. And then of course, there's a 30 day plan in there to help you reverse your Hashimoto's, reverse your graves. The caveat to Hashimoto's is if you're newly diagnosed, it's kind of like a newly diagnosed diabetic. Can we keep you off insulin? Likely. Can we keep you off thyroid hormone? Likely. If you had to go on a little bit, can we get you off of it? Perhaps. But if you're coming into this and you were misdiagnosed or didn't get diagnosed or you've been diagnosed, you know, ten years ago, probably some amount of thyroid, you know, has already been destroyed, and you're going to need a little bit of supplemental thyroid hormone. To which one's the right one for you. Can you get away with just synthroid. Do you need armour? Do you need nature Thyroid? You know, which one do you need to get it compounded because you, you know, have a very specific need. And then the main reason you want to do the program is that we with autoimmunity. And then the main reason you want to do the program is that we with autoimmunity. If once you have one, you're three times more likely to get another. So you want to see these antibodies come down because that says your body's healing. Even if you need to stay on a small amount of thyroid hormone, that's okay. You didn't fail. So this is obviously something that I'm extremely passionate about. You see all these influencers and it's like, oh, I got off my medication and you shouldn't be taking this medication. And and then all these patients feel like they've failed if they can't get off of it. It's not a medication. It's not like you're taking enbrel or, methotrexate or something to shut down your immune system. You are taking a life saving hormone that you need for your thyroid. And so you have not failed if you can't get off of it. But you do need to see your antibodies come down so that you are not at risk to get another autoimmune condition. Frequency healing. You know, I think honestly that this is the next wave of medicine. I've always, you know, kind of been a little bit on the forefront. Like I'm like, oh, Frank Sherman is a little old hat. You know, this this really came about for me. Simultaneously, as my half sister got diagnosed with breast cancer, I had a breast cancer scare, and I just thought, okay, medically, I will know what to do here to, like, if I have help myself and hundreds of thousands of other people. Reverse autoimmune condition. There's no way cancer's getting me like I will be able. The body is amazing. I'll be able to do this, you know, like, in a holistic way. And, you know, I'll know what to do. But I didn't feel like my my mind and my spirit were right. Like I just didn't. You know, I my mother died when I was 30 at pancreas with pancreatic cancer. I stopped believing in God and, you know, being raised a Catholic. And it just was a huge wake up call for me. So I, you know, I went and did a Joe Dispenza meditation retreat, where, you know, it's different. Yeah. I mean, it's a different kind of meditation. I had been trained in transcendental meditation, out of high school, out of college, and yeah, I that can be very helpful. But this is, more frequency base, you know, it's like everything is energy. And and I was, you know, able to connect with God, with spirit, whatever. I was able to connect with my parents, I had the most profound experiences, too. I then sent my sister and then it gave me the courage to go and try a medicine journey. Now, I didn't do ayahuasca or anything like that. I went and did something that is called chlorogenic medicine. That's just supposed to get you in touch with your soul, but it's not like a hallucinogenic. You're completely in control. You can get up and go to the bathroom, ask for water, things like that. Now this is a person like, I don't drink barely. You know, I never use drugs like I do not like to be out of control. But I think having that connection in Joe to Spence's meditations that made me feel safe, that I could go do something, and this was something like highly recommended by a physician. But anyway, again, in can very as the, as many people say, the most amount of healing in the shortest amount of time. And that was, you know, definitely my experience in all of this. And so, I mean, that's sort of that's one aspect of all of this. Right? And this has continued in my life. I've done it several times now, but it's continued in my, trusting my intuition even more. Connecting, you know, like with my daughter and her saying Connecting, you know, like with my daughter and her saying something like that. I was just thinking of out of the blue kind of things, and noticing those patterns to, you know, what are we we are just frequency. And you know, how, you know, just vibrating at a certain at a higher frequency. And that is health and that is life. So, you know, I mean, we can get into all kinds of things right now. Your own body. Yeah. Yeah, just on that. Yeah. Everything you're doing is so fabulous. How can people find you? My website is Amy Myers, imdb.com. That's, my company's social. My personal social is all Doctor Amy Myers. Thank you so much for joining us today on the Vibrant Wellness Podcast. Don't forget to check back every Wednesday for more insightful conversations, inspiring health journeys, and the latest breakthroughs in integrative medicine and wellness. if you're ready to take control of your own health. Visit Vibrant wellness.com to learn how advanced lab testing can help you uncover your root causes and guide your path to lasting vitality.