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What If Fear Is The Real Thief Of Your Calling

• Amsalu Gama • Season 1 • Episode 17

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Fear doesn’t always look dramatic. Sometimes it’s a normal day that flips in an instant, a random trigger that pulls old memories to the surface, or a nightmare at 12 AM and 3 AM that leaves your body on high alert. We start with prayer, then get uncomfortably real about what it feels like when anxiety and paranoia creep in and your purpose suddenly feels harder to reach.

We talk through fear as a practical blocker, not just a “feeling” to ignore. I share how it can freeze your hands and your schedule, how it makes you avoid simple tasks, and how writing down specific fears exposes what’s really driving the spiral. We also unpack the frustration of not having neat conclusions, and the spiritual tension of praying just to make the discomfort go away instead of truly surrendering it to God.

From there we move into actionable steps: what “cast your fears onto the Lord” can look like day to day, why faith without works stays stuck, and how time management can quietly sabotage your prayer life. We get into regulating your mind, speaking to your thoughts, and refusing to let fear steal your joy, using biblical framing like the warning to Cain about what’s crouching at the door.

If you’re navigating Christian faith, anxiety, purpose, spiritual discipline, or simply trying to keep moving while your mind feels loud, this conversation is for you. Subscribe, share this with a friend who needs it, and leave a review with one fear you’re ready to stop letting lead your life.

Prayer And Why We Podcast

SPEAKER_00

Father God who's in heaven, we come before you at this moment in time asking for guidance and protection and blessings. And also we are grateful for this podcast session that we have had. Um may it not be one of those situations where we come here and we just listen to one another talk and that's it. But may these conversations that we have on this podcast be able to change our hearts and point us in the right direction. And may this podcast, may you also be with us, may you also be in this podcast and and use us as your vessels that the people that listen to this podcast also find something that they can pick and apply into their day-to-day lives. Uh Lord, we don't do this for our own personal glory, but we do this with the desire to push the word of God forward, push the gospel forward. But we cannot do this out of our own might because people's hearts are not ours to change, but they are yours to change. We are merely vessels, may you be with us, may you bless us, may you continue to show us the way and be a light unto our parts. Remind us that you are our shepherd, and there is nothing that we will we will not get. You will always be with us, even though we walk through the valleys of the shadows of death. For your road and your staff comforts and guide us and protect us. I pray in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in Jesus' name. Amen.

SPEAKER_02

Amen. He said

Multiverse Banter To Practical Focus

SPEAKER_02

Jesus twice there. But anyway.

SPEAKER_03

I'm joking.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, we back. I feel like I feel like this podcast has like arcs or different um what's what's that thing they do on Avengers?

SPEAKER_00

Sequel.

SPEAKER_02

No, where they're in different dimensions.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah. What they call that thing? Time travels, uh time space, multiverse.

SPEAKER_02

I feel like I feel like the podcast operates in a multiverse. Like previous episode, it's this it's this different atmosphere. It's talking about recovery, it's talking about addiction. And then and then we come in with just like I don't know, more more more conversational topics. Uh where we're just chatting more than anything. But that is the nature of what's happening in the space. Um it's it's a platform where multiple conversations are happening. And kind of like a new layer of scaffolding. I've just been I've just been going over the the episodes. Um, a new layer of scaffolding onto what we're building up next. So today we're getting practical, talking about the things that hinder purpose. The things that hinder purpose. Yeah, it sounds very sounds very like preaching series type type thing, you know?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Don't worry, Doug. That episode is not airing, so all my shots uh have been cancelled. You can stand up and adjust your chair.

SPEAKER_00

Nah. It's fine. I'm not I'm not going to. I've already adjusted the chair, bruh.

SPEAKER_02

Doug. Anyway, bro, how you doing? I'm doing alright, man.

SPEAKER_00

It's a new week. It's a new week, you know. I've been tired. Yeah, you all started off busy. Yeah, no, not even. I didn't start off the day busy, bruh. It's like I've just been tired because I came home late yesterday, right?

SPEAKER_02

I meant your week. It started busy.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, the week?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, started busy. Maybe we should get headphones. Yeah. So you can you can hear me properly.

SPEAKER_00

Or maybe you stop speaking with that with that voice. With those voice? Louder.

SPEAKER_02

That's my berry white. Nah, Doug. Um yeah, so like, what do you what do you what do you think of when you hear something?

SPEAKER_00

Oh,

Nightmares Trigger Vulnerability

SPEAKER_00

wait, wait, my bad. How was your week, bro?

SPEAKER_02

Hey, Doug. You know, you know the funny thing is previous episode I was talking about vulnerability, and the last thing I want to be is vulnerable right now. But it's been it's been okay, Doug. Uh it's had its challenges. Um challenges happening on the fly. Like, my day was was solid throughout yesterday, and then it just flipped in an instant. And yeah, yeah, really, really kind of kinda put me in a in a in a bad space. But yeah, processing still. Um feeling like the more I do the the further away I'll I'll be from it. Um the more you do. Yeah, the busier I keep myself, the less I can think about it. But yeah, bro, uh tough internal week for me, I must say. Um but nonetheless, I I am grateful for the week. I'm grateful for identifying that it's it's not gonna be an easy one this week.

SPEAKER_01

It's gonna be tough. You know.

SPEAKER_02

Um but yeah, yeah. Um I'm there, bro.

SPEAKER_00

It sounds like you had a hectic week.

SPEAKER_02

I know, Doug is.

SPEAKER_00

I really like like right now I have questions, like what happened, bro? Sounds like something something crazy happened. Like, what did I miss?

SPEAKER_02

Well, that's the thing, Doug. Like, it's not it's not that's why I say internally. Internally, it happened, yeah, and mentally. Like um just disturbed, got a bit disturbed yesterday, and it's I don't know if I don't know if it's wounds. You know, you know some things that happen to you in such a way that's okay for me right now it's hard to identify where it's coming from, but yeah, just some memories were triggered and I didn't anticipate the the the weight I'd feel of them, you know. Um and so and so I'm processing it in real time in in in a matter of hours. And you could you could also kind of say dreams brought it on. I had like two nightmares, Doug, 12 o'clock and three o'clock. I even remember the times because I was like looking at the times, like all paranoid, like what the hell man? Is is this what is this what black churches mean by wake up and pray at 12, then pray again at 3? Cause I'm like, damn, this feels this feels rough, this feels real. And like interesting for me was was how certain dreams I have can feel so real that I really have to like open my eyes and look around and process for a few minutes that oh damn, I'm not in the environment I was dreaming about. And then calm down from there. But it was it was it was it was even hard to calm down, Doug, you know. Um so yeah, yeah, I think flip. I hate really uh sticking to to the to the core things uh we talk about on this podcast. But yeah, man, it was uh it was it was a vulnerable moment. And the funny thing is when I was sitting down with Gully, we were talking, we were reading the definition of vulnerability, and it had this element of this feeling in danger, and I was like, that's a stupid definition, you know, and that definition came around full circle, you know. Um but yeah, yeah, I think I think um it's uh it's a weird space, but also also just opportunity to to give it to God, opportunity to pray about it, and so that's what I've kind of been doing, you know.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm sorry you're going through that, bro.

SPEAKER_02

Ah that's so good.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, bruh, like um but yeah, man.

Naming Fear That Blocks Purpose

SPEAKER_02

It's it's it's one of the things that hinder purpose.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. In my life, right. But like, but like like what exactly it's fear. Fear.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Fear of what?

SPEAKER_02

Of of the situation, of the the or feeling the fear and and giving not giving into it, but it's a paralyzing fear, bro. It it just renders me immobile. And um that's the prayer point I had to bring to God. Yeah. Um the second time the dream happened, I I got onto the Bible app, uh, looked for plans around fear, Bible plans around fear, and I um started jotting down fears I have. You know, more than the the the the actual fear of being in danger of um my life being being harmed. I then dove deeper into what other fears do I have. Um so fear of life and death, fear of um not being seen, fear of uh somewhere in my book, fear of losing my family members, the fear of not doing something great before I die, you know, um which day to day I think you get to you get to witness that those fears are are are lies, but still they persist in in in blocking you, you know. Um and so and so like I had a day, Doug, where I haven't done much, you know? Just because at each thing I want to do, it's all this pent up fear just constantly sitting in my chest. So I haven't I haven't done much today. Um I was supposed to make clips for the previous episode. I'm sorry, Gully. Even though I'm hoping the clips will have been out by the time this episode comes out. But yeah, it just it just stops me from from from doing anything. I was meant to reach out to certain people, I was meant to hand in uh certain documents today regarding the upcoming conference, which at some point doesn't have to be today, or even if it is today, the conference that Um Salu Podcast is gonna be a part of um end of the month. But yeah, I mean I did some that at least I tried to be productive on, but in it all I'm just doing it out of frustration and kind of like this has this document at some point today has to come out, and I have to send it to KG. But like those those I got to see all those fears and I started looking at how they they they stopped me from physically working from from physically getting through my day. And it's so it's so crazy how this time I was I was not that I wasn't prepared for us to talk about this, I just didn't think the the content God would bring it so close to home, you know, and and would use such a real example because I really didn't plan to to open up about it. I really didn't plan to to engage it as I'm engaging it now, you know, and so yeah, fear fear definitely stands out as one of the things that hinder purpose for me right now.

SPEAKER_00

So fear is what's been hindering your purpose this week, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And the man has a notebook, he thought he came prepared.

SPEAKER_00

Nah, like that fire. I honestly came prepared. I honestly came prepared, but like I didn't come prepared for this. Uh Doug, we hold me. You're going through some things, bro. Like right now, and and and I'm not really sure if you're actually looking to find a way out of it, or you just want to process because or you know what you need to do, but you just want to process whatever that's going on in your head, and then you know, cuz because like it partly sounds as if you are avoiding facing whatever you dreamt about, or like you dreamt about something, and that triggered fear.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Right? Let's say I say

Paranoia Spirals In Public

SPEAKER_02

you know what I would just give you the scope. Yeah, give you you know, you know, you know, you know what I've been going through, right? Um just with with being in a paranoid state because of certain life events that have been happening. Yeah, right, and so yesterday I reached out to you and you were busy. And in that, I think I started that's where the the the fear started knocking a little bit. Cause it was like, oh, I'm gonna have to walk by myself to to Shao Garage.

SPEAKER_00

Isolation.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and then and then a car came past, bro, and the gents inside the car just looked a second longer in my head.

SPEAKER_00

Than they should have.

SPEAKER_02

Than they should have, and it spiraled me into paranoia. And then shortly after that, I get a call. Um when I'm sitting down at at Shell Garage, and the call rings for like five, ten seconds, goes off. True caller shows me a name. I don't know the name. Obviously, I'm not answering any numbers, I don't know right now. And then now I am on high alert, you know, and I'm I'm looking for this car, you know, and then I saw the same make of a car at the garage. Then it just was like, it's not that car, is it? It's it's not these gents, are they? But my my mind is just feeding off now the paranoia of like, yo, it probably is. Only to find it was some other people who, yeah, different people from who I saw in the car. Crazy how Fiat can make you super aware and super alert. Like, I I I feel like those guys I saw yesterday, I would point them out to you today if I had to see them. Because I was just so in those few seconds, I was also just downloading all the data I could to make sure that I don't miss them should they return, if there were people who were intending to. And so, and so, yeah, now now so that's the that's the switch of the day. The day was good, started off nice checking in with homies on the call, checked in on my pastor, um had a nice chat with him, you know, talking about great things to come ahead in life, um the the season coming coming next, and I share that that blessing with you. Um that there's a season of favor, there's a season of um growth ahead of us. Um and so and so yeah, I pray I pray that over your life too.

SPEAKER_00

Um thank you, man. I pray that for your life too, Simpio.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, we got we got we got a ghost in here today. We got a ghost in the house, which is which is dope.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Um speaks to getting a team. Uh Lord, please bring us a team to produce these. Um yeah, I go to Recovery Group and we talk about community there. You know, uh and I don't think I was from what I learned, I don't think I was utilizing community to the best of my ability. But I did make attempts, I did kind of speak about it a bit. Um, I did kind of open up a bit about it. And yeah, bro. Then obviously getting home, this dream. Like there's one fear, okay. I should have written this fear down. Like, there's this fear I always have, Doug. You know, I I always think of an action movie or or a thriller type movie. And one thing that this is why I can't watch horror movies or or action movies um as much nowadays. Action movies I can't watch as much. Horror movies uh no no since I was like 10.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I mean action movies is just the violence, bro. I just don't like it.

SPEAKER_02

I cringe nowadays.

SPEAKER_00

Like it's just like that I know, it's oh no, this is fake. Number one and number two is too real. It's fake, but too real to actually get me to react, be like, oh my god, it's like out, man.

SPEAKER_02

Nah. So so the one fear I have, bro, is giving my best at hiding in a situation where I'm being looked for and being found. Okay, and I always picture being by key, you know what I mean? Like, I always picture being in a cupboard at that time, you know. Like of this is my ultimate, like, this is my if if he finds me here, you know, I really don't know what next is gonna happen. That's wild, you know what I mean? So like I just imagine just and you're just seeing the shadow, and you still can't say anything, and then he just opens the right door, and it's like, you know, you got this you got these puppy eyes looking up.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, under the under the bed is crazy. You know what I mean? Oh hell.

SPEAKER_02

Oh I'm gonna get caught now. You know, so so if I can liken my dream to that, I was experiencing that. And so, and so um, and I think, and I think because over the past month I've been trying to speed up the process of getting over the season, of getting over the circumstance.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Another thing about the circumstance as well is that I can't sit on a conclusion with it. And there's very high possibility that I can never conclude on it. Because Still to this day, I really don't know exactly what happened.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

You know what I mean? So so I can only speculate, guess, assume, and so, and so there's no certainty.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And so, and so with with with the dream coming through, uh, woke up, prayed it, rebuked, whatever attack it may be, in the name of Jesus. And the first time I was doing it just so I can go back to sleep. Because I value my sleep in those hours.

SPEAKER_01

Because it's it's it's so deep and it's so beautiful, you know. And I'm kind of like, God, I'm hoping,

Wanting The Season To End

SPEAKER_01

you know, this is enough to to to to to to think.

SPEAKER_02

I don't know if it's uh uh it could be an opportunity for me to spend time with you. Yeah. But I don't want to. I want to sleep. You know? And and don't get me wrong, I'm not I'm not criticizing myself on that sort of thing, but the the conviction I was feeling was kind of like I'm doing it for the sake of this thing to go away so I can carry on.

SPEAKER_00

Carry on, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Carry on sleeping. Second time, the panic is deeper. And so, and so now, like, bro, I'm waking up from the bed just like looking everywhere, thinking, um, am I seeing people around me? Am I not, am I still in the bed I last remember sleeping in?

SPEAKER_00

And I really was shut off that jacket. It was like, oh, is there anyone there? Hey, hey, I'm not afraid of you. You know, I know it's a condo, don't even try it.

SPEAKER_02

But there I pray. Um, and also, oh yeah, what I did the first time I woke up, I then played the the audio bible. Uh played it, fell asleep. Um, and then the second time I really had this feeling of like, okay, God being completely honest and vulnerable, I'm at a place of when can this end? Because I can't take it anymore. When can this um all be put behind me? I want to get to the place where I laugh, I share testimony, I I I heal from this, you know, um, because now I'm acknowledging that okay, this is a little more realer than I'd gave it credit for. Um, to me. The the the the the fear or anxiety of it all just just is damn near feeling like it's debilitating. You know, so I was I was really at a place of just like God um I also don't want to be spending time with you as I have been as of late from a place of fear more than a place of of desiring that closeness with you, um desiring to be devoted to you like this because when day to day I look at it, my desire stops here, my desire ends here. I think about hey man, I should really invest in in reading the word more, um, I should really um consider uh you know praying praying more and things like this. But when it comes to it, I'm like nah, uh let me let me watch some YouTube.

SPEAKER_00

Let me watch some YouTube. I'm gonna do this after. I I I go through the same thing, bro. Like, especially like in the morning. Like I would wake up in the morning, we still got this beer, and and and be like, yo, let me um let me let me wake up because I have this site on a challenge I'm doing now.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, the 10ks, 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, 100 squats a day, type of thing. Yeah well, but I don't run 10ks, that's a lot. I need to go to work. So, but at least I make sure OT I run at least like 3Ks, about three, four K's, because my usual routes are like three, four K's, three, four K's, or two K's, if it's the shortest one. Right? Um, and then I do my hundred push-ups and all that. So usually I'm like, oh yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna wake up now, do my do my workouts, and then after that, I pray. You know? After that I pray. And of which looking at it, it's the wrong order. Why? Because now when I wake up, do my workouts and everything, then by the time I come back, because I also woke up, I didn't wake up in like on time enough to be able to make space for prayer. I end up getting distracted. Because now I can't I finish my workouts feeling like, oh, I'm late, I need to bath. Yeah well. Now I'm bathing, I finish, or I uh I need to eat. I finish eating. Oh flood, my Uba is gonna take about seven minutes for it to come get me. So let me get my Uber. I'm gonna pray at work. I keep on postponing, you see?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You get to work, you see, you see uh Kimi, hi Kimi. You see Larry's, hi Liris, hi Jesse, and all that. Caught up in the vibes, caught up in the vibes.

Time Management For Prayer Habits

SPEAKER_00

No, no, no, you can't be praying now because everybody is already started their day, now they're working. Now you just they're like now. You feel awkward about it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, what yeah, yeah, I'll I'll get to that.

SPEAKER_00

Now you feel you feel awkward about it, and then you don't do it. So upon realizing that, my way of thinking is if I find um if I find a hiccup, right, I address the hiccup. Like, because my my hiccup is not that I don't have time for prayer. My hiccup is my time management is bad. Yeah. Yeah. So I need to include prayer in my daily activities if I'm really serious about it. So now instead of waking up at 5 o'clock, what if I wake up at 4:30? Right? And now get to decide whether I want to work out first or pray first and then work out. But waking up early in the morning, pray and then work out, I think is the best way to go. Yeah, well, it's in the how you deal with the situation. So I'm gonna I'm gonna give some advice as well. Don't don't don't don't don't take it personal, brother.

SPEAKER_02

Pass me some water. Uh I'm gonna be a swallow.

SPEAKER_00

No, no, no, don't take, don't take it personal. This is just some advice.

SPEAKER_02

It's me swallowing my pride.

SPEAKER_00

Like, I understand that you're dealing with your emotions, right? You're dealing with with your fears and all that. And you have recognized it, which is which is nice. Like you said, everything is here and here, but not in the what? In the works, in the doing, yes. In the doing. So, what's the first thing you need to do? When you read the Bible, it tells us, cast your all your fears onto the Lord. Right? So, what does that mean? In your situation, what does casting your fears to the Lord look like? Does it mean that I pray for the situation so that I can get some sleep and understand why you are doing it, but I'm just making a point. I'm low key, you're a lazy guy, yeah. I know. Not my words, brother. No my words. I'm about that convenience. But like, do I like um oh my god, please don't tell me I lost my train of thought. Okay, it's coming back. But you have recognized what you're afraid of, right? What's the next step? If if practicalizing the word, right? Practical, because the thing is, the word sounds nice to listen to, and it gives you comfort to just listen to. But doing acting it out is a different thing, and that's where most of us lose it, yeah, in in actually doing the work, and and and which is one of the things that hinders purpose is we don't practice what we preach. That hinders purpose because now you have all those things, you have all this knowledge about the Bible, about living a moral life, but because you don't act it out, you now have like those uh those situations where you're battling in your head or see about morals, you have all those questions, you have all those fears and all that, because and and now you're like, uh, why is I'm praying every day, but why is anything working? Faith without works is is is useless, it's dead. Yeah, well, so if you read the Bible, because if you pray about something and then you say, God, I need a way to deal with these fears, and then God comes to you with the Bible and get and says, Cast all your fears on your fears unto the Lord, and then you cast the fears unto the Lord, and then after doing so, you're like, I'm still scared. You didn't cast your fears unto the Lord, yeah. Well, you just prayed to make yourself yourself feel better, but you didn't give God room to actually work. Because okay, God is not gonna come down in a big ball of fire and be like, fear, burn you. It's not gonna be like some super Marvel type of thing, you know? Yeah. It's more internal. And more internal, how the Holy Spirit that with that's within you, when you pray, it gets activated, right? And then you you you start performing the fruits of the spirits and all that, right? So how does that look like? How do I see the fruits of the spirits from the put like of the person next to me through what they say, through their actions? So if if I personally, how I would handle my fears, I'm in a I'm in a similar situation that you are daily. Uh, I don't know if this is gonna be part of the podcast, but daily, bro, I wake up early in the morning. If I decide to touch my phone, the first thing I hear and see is a Bahab. And all I see is violence and all that. But also, I also see people that are also speaking out about it, which is why I always, like when I see those videos, I always go to the comments. Go to the comments and I see, oh, yeah. And then I'm hopeful again. But at the back of my head, bro, as I'm walking in the streets, I make sure that I keep myself, I keep my head down because I don't know who can just decide what I'm cheating. And you can't share a quadruple, bro, and the next thing, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, like I do have those those scenarios in my head. They play quite a lot, and I even dreamt about it. Like I dreamt about it the other day. But when I dreamt about it, I I I I

Faith With Works In Real Life

SPEAKER_00

what I did is wake up and say, God, my life is in your hands. I'm not going to live in fear. Um, and I'm not going to shrink myself. I'm going to continue living the same way that I would do wherever what country, I'm whatever country I end up in. Yeah. My life is in your hands. Protect me. Yes, I I don't. That's why I don't walk around feeling as if anyone is after me. Even though it could be anyone.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You know what I'm saying? It could be anyone. So, and after I do that, my mind also needs to be regulated as well. I need to master my mind. I'll take you back to if you if you if you listen to the story of if you read the story of uh Cain and Abel, right? Before Cain murdered Abel, God came to him and he said, Cain, the sin is crouching on your door. If you don't tame it, you're gonna what? It's going it's going to what? Devour you or something. I don't remember the the actual words. But if if Cain had not because he needed to fight the battle in his head, yeah, well, only for him to find uh to win over sin. Right? So now when using using that that that taking from that, what I would like to take from that is the fact, Ogee, we hair, we have the ability to tame our mind. We can't control what our mind thinks about. Yeah, which is what causes fear because our mind thinks about a lot of things. But what we need to do is we don't let it, we master it, we tame our minds into thinking the things that we want, into thinking about the life that we want to live. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So, what I'm saying is this when fear creeps in, you also need to put your foot down and tell your mind, listen, I'm not going to let you take away my joy. I'm not going to let you take away ruin my day. I'm not going to let you distract me. We said we are going to get this done, and I need you to focus, and I need you to fall in line with everything. With everything, with every part of me, with my toes, with my knees, and my muscles and my strength. I need you to fall in line and let's get things done. Speak to it. The more you yeah, at first it's gonna sound like uh, but I've done it and I continue to do it, and I hope to get better at doing it, because it's what keeps me going. It's what keeps because bro, I know, like I remember I was having uh um a conversation with my brother, right? And and and and and and as we were having we were having a converse conversation about someone, and he asked me a question, it's like, yo, do you ever sometimes let people process their feelings? Excuse me. I'm like, okay, uh, I'm not sure what you mean, but uh okay, uh I guess uh it's something you think about. Okay, one, and then took me back to another conversation I was having with someone else, and they told me that you want everyone to deal with situations the way you would deal with situations, and then I'm like, oh, okay. So now there's two things to think about. Yeah, and and it's funny when my brother said that, my my mind went back to that comment. And which made me realize, oh, would he

Master Your Mind When Fear Hits

SPEAKER_00

when whenever people would feel that way with me, is because and sometimes I would act as if I don't go through stress and or I don't go through fears and and all that. But we all do.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

We all do, we all have our fears, we all go through moments where we are feeling down and and and and and and despair. But like what makes the difference now between me and and and and and these people is either it's what I do after I feel like yo, this is too much. It's the same situation you're in. It's what you're going to do after this. And it's not all like it's not like it's not in your control. It is in your control. It is in your control. It's your it's your decision. It's it's like I was listening to this podcast, like and and and um they they I forgot I forgot the name, but when I have the name, I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll tell you. But they were talking about being tired of the misery. Well, the moment you are tired of of going through whatever misery you're going through, you will stop.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Shows you the power. You have the power to stop feeling scared or to stop letting fear ruin your day. You have the power to do that. We all have we all have the power to do it. But the thing I realize is it's hard to do it the first time. But the trick is if you do it, if you if it's if you if you if you if you if you will it, is it you believe it, you will it. And if you will it, you achieve it. Okay, you get what I'm saying? So if you do it, you believe it. If you believe it, you will it. If you will it, you achieve it. Y'all so if you cast your fears to God through prayer, you have done it. And now what's left is to believe it. So, what does believing it look like? I'm not gonna think about this. If that thought creeps in my head, I'm gonna tell it, A Bob, we have go back. You're not on the forefront. You have what? Believed it. Yeah, and after you believed, because you're continuous doing and believing it, it becomes a part of how you handle situations. You have wielded. And then because you have managed to find a way to wheel it, you will achieve it. Whenever such fear creeps in again, you're gonna feel it's okay to feel sad, it's okay to feel despair, it's co it's okay to be afraid, but you will now be approaching it from a healthier point of view, and you would know how to get back up, and it wouldn't keep you down for a long time.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yo, yeah, bro. Well, that's that's how I I I see I see Yeah Doug.

SPEAKER_02

Uh I don't I don't I don't deny anything you've said there, you know? And I just I appreciate you, bro. You you you said it yourself, so I didn't have to be the first one to say it. Your time management, shocking. But I love you nonetheless, Doug. Like, you know, your your I'm guilty there, bro. Your heart's in the right place, you know, and and uh this is this is what I cherish about friendship, Doug. Um this is what I cherish about brothers, you know, that we we we build each other, man. We we we see

Expectations In Friendship And Wrap

SPEAKER_02

each other for where we really are, you know, because I think I think there could potentially be some spaces where I'll share this fear and I'll get um it's okay. He's like, hey man, you know what I'm you know what I'm seeing here? And we were learning it yesterday in recovery about expectations versus um yeah, expectations and conversations sometimes, in that I might be sharing something with an expectation that you're gonna comfort me and you don't. You also might be thinking, if I'm saying, yo, bro, I want to unpack something, you might have an expectation of what unpacking looks like. And so we miss each other. But I I am grateful for that little awareness I have within Uguzi. When you start speaking, when you said advice, immediately I manage my expectations. Of like, don't resist what's gonna be said out of thinking that he's about to think he's in a better position than me. And sure enough, when you did share it, you shared it from a place of if I can look at where I am in life and what's going on in my life, this is what I would bring forward to you. And yeah, you're giving me a lot to think about, not not just think about, a lot to do. Um to practicalize that space, you know. I'm glad, bro.

SPEAKER_00

I'm glad.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I'm even remembering the gents inside this room. I once told them, hey bro, paranoid as hell. And you know, he wasn't like, no, listen, brother. You're just like, nah, Doug, what's up, Assamp?