Where Do We Go From Here?

In this episode of The Searchers Podcast, Shane, Josh, and producer Mandy take a winding trip down memory lane, starting with the cultural chaos of The Blair Witch Project and how it had them all fooled back in the day. From the movies they weren’t allowed to watch growing up (but probably watched anyway), to the dark twists in the Gabby Petito/Brian Laundrie Netflix documentary, the conversation gets real...fast.

They dig into what it means when true crime blurs with entertainment… and how easy it is to miss the deeper stories, especially when it comes to missing and murdered Indigenous women who never make the headlines.

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All right, so we're rolling? We're rolling. All right. Man, you know what I didn't do? We're not going to have intros like that. Fuck it. Oh, no, don't you dare. No, no, I thought we were turning over a new

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leaf. Thanks a lot. Last episode, we didn't tell everybody that we have a fun little new podcast.

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Oh, man, somebody said something. Who said something about George Bailey missing him on the podcast? Somebody said he was like the...

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The show dog.

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Yeah, he was like the head. Look at that tongue. I know. Now, what's up with that tongue, Mandy? What's

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going on with George Bailey's tongue? He had four teeth until about a month ago. And now he has one remaining. He is in congestive heart failure, technically. But don't worry. He's not even to a point where he needs medication. But just so you're aware, and if you're a listener with dogs, their dental health really impacts their heart health. So he was just born with not the greatest teeth. He's remained not having the greatest teeth. So we removed over his life. He's had several teeth extracted because they were not great. So he's down to one tooth and he can't hold it in his

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mouth.

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Listen, guys,

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he is on his way to being 14 years old, dude. And you know what? He gets around well. He's a spry guy. He's a spoiled guy.

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We're going to die together. Look at

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him. He's wearing an outfit, a full outfit.

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Josh and I have matching sweatshirts

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with this. We do. We should have worn them. I was telling Michael Angus, he came over here to get some stuff for Missouri Paracon. I was telling him that I put that hoodie on him the other day. He is so good about putting clothes on. Yeah, you normally don't dress him. He's so used to it.

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He loves them. He

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just does it.

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If you ever wonder why he's always wearing clothes, it's because he wants to.

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That's crazy. My thing is, I feel bad for animals that get dressed. I don't know why, but it's like they can't choose. Some of them don't like it. I think he genuinely loves

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it. If you go to take it off, he'll grab it with his mouth and pull back. He wants to keep his clothes on. He's civilized, okay? So the show dog is here. The mascot is here. I have a little bitty icebreaker that I saw on TikTok that I want to ask you guys. Josh answered it already, but he's probably forgotten. When the Blair Witch Project came out, did you believe... Cause we were, we would have all been pretty young. Did you believe that it was actually found footage that they found in the woods?

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100%. I never did. Yeah,

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I

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did.

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And so I was like afraid of trees. It was like, Oh my God, she could be in there.

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Yeah. So it's funny that you, you bring that up, but yeah, I was like, Holy shit. And they're playing, they're playing this and they're playing this in a theater. How are they allowed to do this? They

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just found it. What?

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Yeah. So, uh, ultimately, uh, i'm stupid guys

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to be fair i was like 12 when it came out so i was i was young but yeah i was convinced see i never let me see what you never

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thought that but that again i tell her all the time like as far as like scary stuff is concerned i was raised so there were two movies and i was probably like four i was 10 it was it was it It was the first one. That was the first movie that scared the absolute living shit out of me. I was like four years old when I watched that. And my parents, which is really odd to me because they were never like...

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You weren't allowed to listen to mainstream

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music. They were pretty religious. Not to say that they don't believe in God and stuff like that now because they do. But they were very like... They let that... Dictate about.

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It was church Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday, Saturday. You know how they live their

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life, right? Yeah. So.

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And like you could listen to country music, but not like.

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Kind of interesting that.

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Mainstream pop. They

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really loved scary movies. It's weird,

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right? What was the other one? That's crazy. Was it The Fly?

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The Fly. And I, for whatever reason, dude, that was like one of my favorite movies when I was like four years old. So you weren't allowed to listen to certain music. Oh, dude. So we have more in common than you think. Yeah. Like my mom. My mom said that, you know, that movie Hocus Pocus. Yeah. We weren't allowed to watch because there was witchcraft. We couldn't watch Barney because it was magic and witchcraft. You couldn't watch The Simpsons, couldn't watch any show like that.

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I had like my parents were when I was born, 19 and 20. They were young. They were into all of the pop culture. They didn't care. They were hip. We could do whatever. But then we didn't watch recent movies, though. With my mom, I watched exclusively black and white movies from the 50s. It's because she loved them.

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That is true. Even to this day, it's just kind of like here or there

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when it comes to new movies. I've never seen The Princess Bride to this day still. Yeah, I know. I know.

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What?

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I had never seen one of the Star Wars movies until we were married. I

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watch new films religiously, right? I

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have to have an interest. For obvious

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reasons of filming and stuff like that, I watch them under such a different lens than most people these days. I look at all the time spent in the lighting and all these stupid things that nobody cares about, right? And then I always really, really... When I find out that people make these huge motion pictures that have won awards, I mean, case in point, I guess, Blair Witch, right? It did so well. And it took little to no budget to make that. The original Paranormal Activity. Yeah, same. It was

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so good. I

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really like, I don't know. kudos respect for that i have so much respect well especially because you know what goes i know what goes into all of that too and i i was just telling rob zaffy the other day because we were going back and forth on the trailer and stuff like that like seeing how good it is for paranormal mysteries for people wondering um i was like man i feel like visually i it's better than the holes or files was. And I was like, I take great like pride in the fact that we're able to put these things together with like such a small group of people. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Um, it's a lot of work and it's a lot of headache cause we're, you know, working as a small crew, 12, 14 hours. And we are putting a lot of, uh, production into this to make these things happen. But then like, as I'm putting that trailer together and I'm seeing some of these clips for the first time, right. And, um, It's just like, man, this stuff looks so good. It does. I know we talked about it on our previous one, but Paranormal Mysteries is a continuation of me, Dave, and Cindy doing cases outside of just Hans Holzer's cases, but it's doing a wide range of cases. Right. It still has the Holzer feel, but it looks better than Holzer to me. But it's still, like, we picked up right where we left off. It's the same dynamic with each other, the same how we investigate with each other. It's the same. I do find myself, it is really, like, we don't really ever really give the credit that it deserves. That time has passed between... The Holzer file's canceling. And who would have thought that, like... Four years, right? Over four years since it was canceled. Who would have thought then that now we have a platform that looks really great, right? Beacon TV. And are producing... Have really basically brought that back from the dead, right? The only... The only people, the only platform that was able to do it. Yeah. So like travel channel. I'm sorry. I'm saying it. Travel channel had the opportunity. Absolutely. Discovery had had the opportunity. Other platforms, other networks had the opportunity. And, you know, they have their reasons for whatever for for passing on it. But we were able to bring it back because there was an influx of people that were saying, hey, they wanted it back. So it's like, that's one thing that's cool about Beacon TV is we actually listen to you guys. I think that's the thing, right? We listen. The difference is that all these other people didn't have to look at these people at conventions and events when they're asking. Why? And try to have an answer. For the longest time, we were told, hey, don't say that you're canceled yet because it's still on the... You're still on the table. Just say you haven't been renewed. Right. So for years we had to say, well, you know, hopefully, fingers crossed, you never know, but we haven't been renewed at this time. And, you know, we knew there was... there was the nail in the coffin, but we weren't able to say anything. And it was kind of, it was tough. It puts y'all in a terrible spot. It was tough because we, we don't want to be dishonest with anybody, especially the people that support us. And then at the same time, it's like, well, we just lost our jobs, but yeah, it's when people ask us where, where, what happened? We can't tell them anything. Right. Yeah. It's so terrible. You got to think about this. Here's some behind the scenes stuff with that. So it's, And I talk about this sometimes whenever I'm at these events. It's like I made a decision. I spoke with my family, of course, but made a decision to leave my job that I was in a pretty good position at to film. So whenever you're filming for a couple of years or whatever, it puts a damper on your resume. So whenever you're trying to go back in the workforce again... they're looking at that gap and being like, okay, well, if there's another opportunity for TV, are you going to take it? You can say no, but they're going to believe that you're going to take it. So it's very difficult to go back to the corporate world and do what you were doing before TV. So whenever there's a cancellation, it affects you in a way that That is very hard to make income. That's why you see us at a lot of events. It's not all about the money, but that's how people are just trying to make ends meet. That's how we're trying to make ends meet. Just like everybody else, we're just trying to pay bills, man. That's it. Yeah. You know, me not being on that show, obviously, but also having to constantly hear that from people. It's just weird to look back at it now and be like, man.

SPEAKER_00 11:03

You're giving Paul Rudd vibes in that one interview where he's like, look at us. Who would have thought?

SPEAKER_01 11:08

Not me. Wasn't on my bingo card. I'm very thankful and I'm very proud of us, man. For sure. We're not tooting our horn here, but it's been a long way from just a year ago, dude. Just from a year ago, but even a

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few years ago to now. Nobody knew Beacon existed a year ago. Even

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me as a filmmaker four years ago, five years ago, it's like... the transformation and how I film things today compared to then, like, it's crazy. She gets to look at all that stuff now. And it's,

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I was thinking about how, like the evolution of cinema in itself. Cause like, look at the fly, which was a major motion picture production. And then look at y'all's

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footage. Yeah, that's true.

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Like, but then I was also like circling back to talking about like movies and stuff that we grew up in. Like we all, We watched like low budget things like the Blair Witch Project. But then we also got to live through like Titanic. That's true. And this like epic movie that cost so much money. Not

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the event, guys. We're not

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that old. Speak for yourself.

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I'm older than both of you. I know. That's true.

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But we got like just the evolution of cinema because if Titanic was remade now, it would look completely different. But at the time. And it was revolutionary for the time. My mother and I saw it 14 times in the movie theater because we were obsessed.

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You know what's interesting about that too? You can watch that movie today and still

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like it. It still looks good. One of the twins and I watched it last year. It's because there

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is more to filming than the camera or the lens or the lighting. It's the story you tell. It's the story.

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And yeah, I mean, like I

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said, it'll it'll stand the test of time. Like, yeah, absolutely. I want

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things to look even more realistic if someone made Titanic in twenty twenty five. But it still looked great. Yeah. Like, you know, when you watch the first Harry Potter movie and he's on the troll's head or the ogre's head in the dungeon and you can tell it looks like a video game, like it's a cartoon character. But then when you watch the last movie. Nothing. I mean,

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here's the thing that we can say with complete certainty is we'll be dead and gone and people will know who Harry Potter is.

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Yeah.

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I mean, people

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will know who James Cameron is.

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Yeah, of course. So, I mean, we've always said that even when we started doing searcher stuff and we were looking at like the Paranormal Mind documentary we have on Beacon TV now was kind of like our first crack at doing anything. Bobby McCullough did most of that with Dines Media. But it was then that we were like, you know, things have to be different. We have to have a good story to things.

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Speaking of a story, don't you have something you want to talk about? Huh?

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Oh, the Gabby. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We were talking about that. Yeah. So the documentary on Netflix, I watched it a couple of days ago and it kind of. It was sad because Gabby looked like such a sweet young girl that was just trying to make it in life and was trying to forge her own path. And then you had the idiot person that she was with, all of that stuff. But then it got me thinking, man, there's so many unrepresented cases. Yeah. There's like... black women and children, 33%. It's made up of 33% of the cases and they get 7% media coverage. How in the holy hell is that even remotely? And

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the amount of women, indigenous women who go missing on tribal lands that are never looked at. There's not a database.

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No, I believe, I believe they're what 30 there. No, they're 10 times more likely to be unalived or murdered or whatever. Then, uh, any other yeah

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they're less talked about than anybody

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it's sad you know one of the things one of the projects we work on with beacons called small town secrets and it really opened this doorway to us where we really started deep diving into all of this kind of stuff too because you you have a cold case related to close to your family i of course have one where my my uncle was murdered um But then like you start looking at the normalcy of these cases and underrepresented like ethnic groups and communities and stuff. And like people, you know, we you say all those statistics and a lot of people just want to like sweep that under the rug. But no, man, these are real statistics.

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Everybody who says or thinks that it's such a hard watch needs to watch the movie Cold Mountain. Do you remember that? It's been probably six or seven years since we've watched it. It's been a long time. I still am haunted.

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We just all need to open up to the fact that they're underrepresented. They really are. And

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change that, not just acknowledge. Of course. Change it. I

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don't think that I know enough about it all to know where... If there's one particular problem with why that is, right, with why they're not getting the coverage they need or the, you know, right people looking at these cases and stuff like that. I could imagine from like indigenous people, if you're looking at like tribal land and stuff like that.

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There may be some sort of...

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Getting access

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to that stuff. Yeah, cross-contamination between

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government agencies. Yeah.

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I don't

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know, though. I'm not going to pretend, though, other than... Yeah, but still, even if there's red tape, you can still fuck track about it. Excuse my language. No, exactly. But you can still vocalize, hey, someone is missing. I've been doing TikToks lately, and... And TikTok. That's a completely different app. It'll be out

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later this fall. What did he say? Oh, my God. TikToks are horror content.

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Horror. Yeah, that's the... TikTok. Okay. All right, guys. Look, look. All right, children. TikToks. Okay. And I did this one video about this girl, Relisha Rudd. She's eight years old. And I think it's a travesty. And... Her case alone makes me believe that there's a bunch of children in systemic poverty that are just being gone missing, and they're just swept under the rug. She was eight years old. She was last seen in 2014, and she was living in a shelter, and there was this janitor that worked there, Khalil Tatum. who the mother, I think the mother's a junkie, and the mother was a crappy mother. I'm just going to go right out and say it. She let her daughter go with Tatum to go on trips to allow him to give her gifts to spend the night with him. He's a freaking janitor. She called him Dr. Tatum. The mother did. Oh, my God. To the school and stuff. And she was missing for 18 days before the mother even said anything. Before the mother said anything. And so this girl, you know, she was filmed on surveillance walking into a hotel with this Tatum guy. The next day, Tatum is reportedly... buying trash bags, a bag of lime, a shovel. Then on the 20th, his wife is found murdered in a Maryland hotel room. And then 11 days later, he's found in a DC park from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. And she still hasn't been found. So it makes you wonder, did he murder her or was she sold? And she's out there somewhere and not knowing what the hell is going on. And how many more little kids

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are having

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the same fate. And it's like, if we don't talk about it, there's not going to be any change at all. We can highlight the white women and white men. Which, look, we're white.

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Those cases are important. I want... anybody who's missing to be highlighted. It needs to be all. It needs to be proportionate.

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Of course. Look,

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I'll say it. White people suck, okay?

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But you know, there's a lot of people. There's a lot of people. I mean, there's people everywhere that suck, right? But yeah, I agree. Everybody needs to be looked. If you're missing, we

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need to find you. We need to look for you.

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If you're missing, could you...

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Oh my gosh. Joshua.

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All right. That was terrible. I shouldn't have done that. He's not making fun of missing persons. No, not at all.

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And not only missing and murdered, but another thing with indigenous women is they are like way more likely to be sexually assaulted and have their rapist just go free, which is so awful because a lot of times they live on tribal lands where that's a small area. area you know if you think yeah if you compare it to you know major cities they have to see their rapist

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yep i you know that i've pitched that idea like multiple times

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to network tv who gave me that

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idea oh you of course and

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i remember like vividly it just came to me and i was like i had read um angeline boulet's firekeeper's daughter which everyone should also read

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yeah it's a pretty

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good one and i sent i was like oh my gosh you guys have to do this but we also Want to be sensitive because you are two white dudes.

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Well, I mean, the issue

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is telling the story. I

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can't change the fact that I'm a white.

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No, of

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course. But what I can do is try and, you know, the best way that I know to bring those things to the public because of what we do is by filming them. Right. I mean, and so I did pitch those ideas, but the consensus and whether or not this is Appropriate or an acceptable answer is, I guess, irrelevant to me. This

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is from networks.

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Yeah. The consensus from networks was that like there would be a ton of trouble with trying to get onto this land. Yeah. Red tape. And then second off, a lot of this was in those communities. I guess they wouldn't talk either. Yeah. Um, for whatever reason, I don't know if that's like a cultural thing. I'm not sure, man. I just don't know.

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Oh man. There was a really good podcast. I listened to, um,

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what was it? Podcast. Hey,

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no, I'll have to find it because it was like pre COVID. I would listen to it like on the way to work and back. Um, but it was about like the, the disconnect between like tribal government and the federal government when, um, Federal crimes are committed on landlines. Oh, gosh. Y'all keep talking and I'll

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find out. You know, somebody that's really good at this, and Shane, you know this too, Payne Lindsey. He runs multiple true crime podcasts now. One of his more popular ones is Up and Vanished. He has dealt with indigenous cases. He's dealt with... cases that are local to us. His most recent one on that had to do with Nome, Alaska. And looking into it, I think the FBI actually investigated the police department in Nome, Alaska because there was so much, I guess, so many cases were being left unsolved or things just weren't being done how they should have been. Um, so yeah, I think that there's a lot of, uh, maybe laziness for lack of better words, laziness in, in terms of like, they think because it's such a, you know, if you look at like Alaska, like people go messing, that could be anywhere. Right. And I think knowing that over time, they've just kind of hung their hats on this idea that like, it's not worth it. Which

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the human lives are always worth. But we can do it. Yeah, of course. I

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mean, we're our own network essentially now. So we can do it ourselves if we want to.

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I found the podcast. It's called This Land. It was season one. It was in 2019. I remember that. Yeah, it was an 1839 assassination of a Cherokee leader and then a 1999 small town murder. Both crimes were involved in a Supreme Court case that was going to decide the fate of one man. And nearly half of the land in Oklahoma. And so it was a journalist, Rebecca Nagel, who she's a citizen of the Cherokee Nation and a Oklahoma resident who traced how this homicide opened up investigation into treaty rights of five tribal nations land. And I remember it being fascinating.

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George Bailey's pissed off about that.

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Yes, he is.

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Hey.

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Again, it was radio silent until we start filming.

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He needs to be heard.

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He's heard. Yes,

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we

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know.

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Now that we've talked shit about how she got media coverage.

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Let's talk about.

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Can we talk about how I'm convinced that Brian Laundrie is alive and that his parents planted that suicide note?

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I'm convinced. What did they find? What's in the documentary? No, you have to watch the documentary because they found his body. Did they? Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah. We knew that, which they claim was dental records. I guess I didn't know

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that. It

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was like super decayed.

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Yeah. So here's the interesting part about what you're saying that kind of makes you wonder because they said that his body was decayed or decomposed all the way to the bone.

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And he'd only been missing for like a week. Yeah, they're

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attributing that to the swamps and the Everglades, I'm sure. But you know, you look at, and I hope they're listening right now, but you look at Brian Laundrie's mother. I think the father was just a, he's a pansy dude that just follows everything his wife does. I think the wife is the one, the mother is the one that's like the culprit because she left a letter. She wrote Brian a letter and wrote burn after reading. Ooh.

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I followed the case very closely when it happened because I had, I think I was working from home by that point and it was like the major. Yeah. No,

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she was obsessed with it.

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I had nightmares. I

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mean, most people were obsessed

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with it at that time.

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Oh yeah. The, the mother though, it came from the mother because the mother, she had the letter that said burn after reading. She wrote that and she said, look, I will love you no matter what. If I need to grab trash bags and help you bury a body, I will. Oh, my God.

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Look, I. So

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she is complicit.

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Of course. I'm not a mother, but I have children that I've helped raise.

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Straight

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to jail. Very, very closely in my own home. And I have maternal instincts, obviously. I cannot fathom knowing where someone's child's body was. And letting them languish in wondering if their child was alive or not, because for a long time it was they didn't know. Yeah.

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Or not even knowing, even if they didn't know that she was dead. Right. Even if they were like, oh, man, she's missing. I don't know where she is.

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I would help even if it put my child or the children that I've raised in jail. I will love you in jail.

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Because that is monstrous. But what they did was they hired an attorney for $25,000 and did not talk to authorities. Yeah, I remember that. Authorities went to their house and were like, we're not talking. You can talk to our lawyer.

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There were days where they wouldn't even come out. He's in

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the house. The stupid idiot Brian Laundrie was in the house and then they let him go into the Everglades. The parents let him go take their car

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And he

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drove, and that's where he

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killed himself. And he's missing for so many days, and the police are out there searching for his body. And 20 minutes after the parents get there, they find— An hour. An hour. It was an hour. After multiple days, they find the suicide note. They wrote the suicide note. You will never convince me that they didn't

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write that suicide note. Well, they could have, but— If Brian wrote the suicide note, he was still saying that she was in pain and she hurt herself. And he put her out of her misery. But the autopsy report says... that everything he said was bullshit. That she died from manual strangulation. And that she had none of these other injuries. People were freaking crazy.

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And who's going to strangle someone to death if you are, for whatever reason, mercy killing someone who you know is about to die? You're going to strangle them?

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Here's why Brian did it. And this is just my thought. Allegedly, this is why he did it. Okay? Days leading up to her death, she had been texting and communicating with her ex-boyfriend. And they were on a road trip together, her

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and Brian. From cops, right?

SPEAKER_01 29:58

Yeah. So I think, and leading up to it, it's another failure on law enforcement, too, because they pulled the man over because there was eyewitness reports of him slapping

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her.

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So they pulled the van over and then they ended up... They let him go. Well, here's another thing. They sent Brian... I was going to say they separated him, right? Yeah, he had scratches on his face and stuff from the... Yeah. Which I think it was her defending herself. Self-defense. Yeah, yeah. They sent him to a fucking... Excuse my language. But they sent him to a hotel and sent her off in the van. Like what kind of ass backward bullshit is that?

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I think, I think she owned the van.

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She owned the van, but it doesn't matter. Like, why would you send a girl who's,

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who's living? They both should have been sent to separate hotels, but I think they couldn't send him in a van that didn't belong to him was probably the logic, but it should have been, we're going to impound this and we'll give it to you tomorrow. She's going to the Hyatt.

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Right.

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He's going, which is not telling you,

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which is what they could have done. But what they should have done anyway is since there were marks and Even if they would have arrested her, it would have saved her life. They should have made a call that said, y'all are being arrested for domestic violence. This is what's going down. And that could have given Gabby's parents the opportunity to pick her up, to help her, to give her an avenue. To know

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what was happening.

SPEAKER_01 31:28

That's the thing, man. It's like, Don't ever underestimate the fact that these really split-moment, simple decisions would have essentially saved these people's lives, right? Just like the girl I was talking about, Relisha Rudd, the eight-year-old, Child Protective Services knew about her situation for months before she went missing. There was reports of neglect. of abuse of unfit conditions. And guess what? They didn't do shit about it. They didn't remove her from harm. They just swept it under the rug, let it happen. And so, yeah, what you're saying is right. Like all these organizations, these, these agencies, sometimes they're at fault. They could have done things, little things that could have made a big difference.

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It also chills you to the core to think about like, Did her case not get attention because that organization in her town had 5,000 other kids in the same?

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Oh, well, I'm sure. Or was it because she was a victim of systemic poverty? Yeah. And it's like, oh, well, she's homeless, so... This is the norm for them. Because essentially that's what it was. She didn't have a home. She lived in a shelter. I think that's where the vast majority of these things get swept up under the rug is because whatever condition that they're going through is essentially normalized. I would say that Gabby Petito is probably the exception of that, right? Where I would think if you were to whoever pulled them over. If you were to replace those people with other people, it's likely they would have not let that situation happen.

SPEAKER_00 33:23

Wasn't there something where her phone was still communicating with her family, but the language

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changed?

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Not language like Spanish to English, but everyone has their own dialect in the way they

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text? No, here's what it was. There was a text that was sent to Gabby's mother that said, can you help Stan Uh, he needs help. And it came from Gabby's phone. Well, Stan was Gabby's grandpa and she called him grandpa. Yeah. So, you know, right away that that's Brian texting. Right. Right. Right. And then this, this low life piece of crap, Brian, after he kills her, sends, uh, from her phone, a Venmo payment of $700 saying, um, I hope you're happy, Brian. I'll never see you again. After she's already deceased. That's gross. That's

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why I had nightmares.

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The authorities already from the timeline knew that she was long gone by that point. He sends himself $700 from her bank account. After she's deceased, he pays himself $700 for the killing. Are you freaking

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kidding me? And takes her van.

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And takes

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her van. Drives her van to

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Florida. Yeah, here's another thing, right? So the parents, he get there. The parents there, they're interrogating him, right? They say that he said that he flew home, but the van was in the driveway. So there was these inconsistencies where the authorities could have said, no, we're taking you in. Now we got probable cause. Your story isn't adding up. Instead, they just let him go and leave. Let him escape. And in turn, he takes his own life like the coward he is. I

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remember. It's

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so wild, right? Because then you have like all these other cases of where like people's doors get kicked in

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over

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the wrong address.

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Bring him out of there. Some stupid thing. Breonna Taylor died and they were at the wrong address.

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Yeah. It's just like, eh. It's whatever. Well, you know,

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I remember the time where he wasn't, they didn't know if he was at the house or not. And they were like, everybody be on the, on the lookout for him. And I, every time I went into Kroger, I was like, I'm gonna find you.

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Well, here's

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another. My head was on a swivel.

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The authority saw the car that he was in drive off and they mistake. They said that they mistook him for his mother. So they thought it was the mother, the wife, or the mother leaving, and it was him. So that's why they didn't pull the car over or whatever, because that was their excuse for how it slipped through the cracks, I guess. And then, of course, you let him go, and then he takes his life because he doesn't

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want to deal with the consequences. I don't believe he did. I don't believe it.

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You don't

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think he did? No, I think he's in Mexico somewhere. Oh,

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I think he's a... Well, huh. Well, yeah.

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They claim they have dental records, but they also claimed she was safe. Like, I know it's a different organization, but it's still a same system.

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Yeah. You know what's sad about Gabby, though? You know how they found her? They found her in a fetal position, laying in an unnatural, like, way. Like, you wouldn't just... Yeah. And then there was, like, a... Where somebody tried to start a fire. He staged the entire thing trying to make it look like she was out.

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Injured or something. In the

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elements or whatever. And she was in a fetal position for weeks. Or like a couple weeks or something like that. It was a long time where she was out there alone. Like after he

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killed her. And put yourself in her parents' position. How do you ever sleep again? Like how do you go on? How do you continue knowing that your child was brutally strangled to death? Staged. Used for money. And left there.

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And the little fuck that did it. Excuse my language again. No, that's what he is. It pisses me off. That's what he is. The person that did it. We do what we want. The person that did it was protected. Was protected. As much as possible.

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Even by law enforcement. In a roundabout way. I know that it's not everybody. I get it. That happens a lot with white men versus a claim about a woman. in assault, in murder, in whatever. He's

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protected. And the idiot, when they pulled him over, too, was all nonchalant, like, you know, she's crazy. And then they're laughing back and forth. They're laughing with him.

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Because it's easy to believe that a woman is being crazy and not that a man is being

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violent. And you could look at her. She was in distress. She was crying. She's hysterical. Poor thing was so scared.

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It's not she's scared. It's not he's abusive. She's being hysterical. Look, I'm normal. I'm joking with you. She's being crazy. She's being crazy. She got emotional and things escalated a little bit, but she's just hysterical and she'll calm down eventually when she wasn't being hysterical. She needed help. How many

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of these cases are being swept under the rug all the time?

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And of course there are men out there who would never, who would stop him, who would call the police, who would fight him if they saw the slap happen. Well,

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the person that saw the slap happen, it was a dude and he called and reported it so kudos to him that's my thing I guess I have like issues understanding how that happens because ultimately

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like if you saw someone get slapped it

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wouldn't be me right like I could not even even if you if I saw a girl that was clearly upset like sure maybe maybe she's just emotional that's

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not really she's allowed to

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be right like that's not for me to like decide but Certainly, we should probably remove her from the situation to

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get a

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better understanding of what's going on. Especially when there's young people involved. And I say this, and I'm old now, I guess. But you can't really... When there's young people involved, you can't slap them on the wrist and be like... hey, go stay in separate places in town. That's weird. That was another thing where they should have made an arrest because they saw

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the marks. Even if it was her.

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And then there was an officer that even looked at Gabby and was like, oh, there's a new bruise on your face and a little mark on your arm. That's enough right there to be like, okay,

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both of you. And didn't she try to cover for him? Yeah. She was like, I'm sorry. I

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was the one that was doing it. She knew what was coming. She knew what was coming. But the problem is, is what, even if they're like, well, they both have marks, arrest both of them.

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Yeah.

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It's better than the alternative. No, for sure. It's better than the alternative, but it's could have, you could have held them. You could have held them, you know, held them overnight at least. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. And then he doesn't, he doesn't answer for anything. He's he. Nope. That's the worst part, right? And then if for some reason that wasn't his body and they're just saying it is, then he's off a lot. He gets to live his life while he took another life. And then the mother and the father both should be in jail. Yeah, I don't really understand how they're not in jail. How in the holy shit do you... hire somebody for $25,000 and you don't know anything. Why would you fork over that amount of money? And then you're not talking. You clearly hid him in your house. You're not saying anything. You're an accomplice.

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I would dog walk any of the children in my life if I knew they took someone else's life, especially their partner. in such a heinous way. I would dog walk them out to the police. I will get you a lawyer. I will get you the lawyer you need. I will love you from jail. I will come visit you. I'm not going to support you.

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My own kids would be like, you are paying consequences for something you did and I'm not going to let you out of my sight. You're going to jail. I will

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visit you all the time. I will hug you as I fold you into the police

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car. You... innocent until proven guilty, but you have to go.

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Yeah. And if you're innocent and if, or if something did happen and you know, she really was dying and autopsy will show it and you will be jailed temporarily. But what you're saying is not true. Yeah. And what do you think the end result of that is going to be that you just hide out in your house forever and get your Costco delivery? That's what happened. What did they think the long run was? What did they think? I

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think I remember. Didn't they think for a while that he had buried her like in the yard there? Was that the thing?

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Yeah, there was something about there was like tunnels under the house or a bunker under the house or something. The dad was back there gardening or

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something. What's super sad about it all too is like the van was there, which was hers, so they were able to tow it. Yeah. But they couldn't go and, well, it's in her name, yeah, but he was the last person to see her, so you can't Haul him out

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of that damn house? Yeah, we can't get a warrant to go in there and grab him?

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Yeah, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 42:57

Even if it was for, we're taking you in for questioning. You're not under arrest.

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No, I would have said, okay, look, this would go away right now if you get in contact with her and we can hear her voice. If we can hear her voice, then we'll leave your ass alone. But otherwise... If they have reasonable calls, I think at... You can hold them for, what, 24 hours or something? Yeah. Yeah, you can question. And then I'll be like, oh, okay, you hired a lawyer. So we're going to take you in for questioning. Call your lawyer.

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Yeah. Have your lawyer meet us down there.

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Yeah.

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Because, yeah, if you get arrested for something, even if you're innocent, you should have a lawyer because you are entitled to representation.

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Yeah. Yeah. And you're entitled not to speak at all. But if you're hiding in your house, you're obstructing an investigation. And if mommy... paid for the lawyer and you didn't then you little

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apparently his sister is really vocal on social media too about how the case was misrepresented and pretending that yeah well of course because

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they're being that she not so she like no screw this like

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no she's like um everything was made to look a certain way when it wasn't this person wasn't an angel blah blah she was a

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bad person

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yeah and it's like Okay.

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Okay. So that means take

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her relationship. They had a, they had a fight, you know, their relationship wasn't great. So you're going to kill her.

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Well, and here's the other thing that cripples their entire argument anyway, because his suicide note said that, oh, she was suffering and it was a mercy killing. Yeah. So that is true. So why say that she wasn't an angel if, all of it was merciful to begin with. That is true. You're just being an idiot and you're talking too much and you're trying to protect your family's image now because Netflix is a big audience and y'all are screwed. Your reputation is tarnished and you're screwed.

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You thought you got away with it, but you didn't. I really hope the Petito family was on board with this because... Otherwise, like how awful that now there's a Netflix documentary about their daughter. They're on board. They were

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interviewed.

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Good. I was going to say, I know there are some families who, one of the Dahmer witnesses was like recreated in the, in the crime scene or something. And she was like, I didn't give consent.

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Yeah. Yeah. They were, they were interviewed, but what was I saying? What was I going to say about, Oh, here's another weird thing about the case. So whenever he comes home and he drives home with the van, they go to a freaking campsite and camp like six days after he returns while Gabby's still missing now.

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I feel like I remember that. Yeah.

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It's like... Are you freaking kidding me? And then the sister was like, well, we only stayed there for a few hours. Why? Did y'all bury her somewhere? Was she in the van? Like normalizing, just hanging out. But six days after, are you kidding? Your boy murdered somebody.

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What did they think 2025 would look like?

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Oh, that they're a baby boy. Is

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he still going to be hiding in the house? Is that what you thought? And did they know that he was going to go kill himself when they let him leave and go to the Everglades? I think that's the problem, right? Did they know they were giving him a heads up to get to Puerto Vallarta?

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Well, something's clearly fractured in their mindset, right? To, I guess, kind of normalize this idea that Brian murdered somebody. But we're just going to approach it in this way of like, well, we're just going to hide him in the house. Well, I'm going to tell you this, too. This generation now is full of mama's boys. Oh, for sure. Spoiled, entitled pieces of shit mama's boys that are babied to the point of, okay, there's no accountability. Mommy and daddy will take care of everything for you. It's a different generation now. I think that plays a part. The mothers are a lot of the problem, too.

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Toxic boy-mom culture.

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The mother's like, I will do anything for my baby. If they're 20-something years old, you let them fly the coop. They are not a child. You're supposed to raise them once they become where they can be self-sufficient. They should... be forging their own path. If you're still actively involved in doing everything for them, you're not helping. Love and support them

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as adults, you know, see them maintain your relationship. But yeah,

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you don't do everything for them. You don't cover up their mistakes. You don't, you let them learn. Yeah. For sure. Good, bad, or indifferent. You let them learn. But he's a piece of shit. I would just straight up say Brian. Of course, right? Brian, the mother is a piece of shit. The father for following along with it is a piece of shit. The sister, all of them, that whole Laundrie family are wrong. Terrible

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people.

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They're wrong.

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I just will never... Get over knowing where she was, knowing she was dead and not letting her family know. Like her mother was out there. Who does that? Wondering where her child was. And I cannot fathom how you ever rest again, knowing that you allowed that mother.

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Yeah.

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To not get the closure of she's dead and to maintain the hope that she's alive. Knowing. Well,

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you don't live with yourself unless there's something. severely mentally wrong. I think that they have some severe mental issues.

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And we're not meant to understand sociopaths.

SPEAKER_01 48:34

No, no, you can't. And if you can understand them, then you're in the same. It's just, it's just sad. If you haven't checked out the, the Gabby Petito documentary on Netflix and we're promoting another network, but go check it out. I mean, it, it tells you some things that if you didn't follow the case, very, Go check it out

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and then subscribe to Beacon

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TV. Yeah,

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go check it out. I followed it religiously, but I want to watch it tonight. I want to watch that.

SPEAKER_01 49:04

It's three episodes. It's not too bad. It doesn't take long to watch. Another thing I want to watch that I have not yet, you may have, and I don't want to spend a ton of time talking on it, but... you know, Richard wrote that book, the, what is it? Oh, the Fox hollow. I think murder murders. I think that's what it's called. I have not, but he's been getting a lot of success. That's what I heard because of the documentary on Hulu. Yeah. I want to watch that. And I'm proud of him. He's such a good guy.

SPEAKER_00 49:33

Let's have a documentary night.

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After we record. We need to make more documentaries.

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I know. I

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want to do so many true crime things.

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I'm ready for Small Town Secrets because I'm ready to figure out what happened to your uncle.

SPEAKER_01 49:46

Somebody messaged me the other day about Small Town Secrets and I'm like, I want to do it so bad. Listen, we can do it. We just have to

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schedule.

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Organize the the schedule. Because look, we're local enough to where we can get it done. I know, that's the thing. We can do it documentary style. We can do it one case at a time and it's fine.

SPEAKER_00 50:07

Look, another one that we're promoting other streaming platforms. Is it Missing411? That

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we were so addicted to. I tried to get those for Beacon and they just haven't come down the pipeline quite yet.

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That would be so cool to have on Beacon. That's a stay tuned manifest. They came out with a new

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one.

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No.

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Yeah, they

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did. That I haven't watched. I'm so scared.

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It's the Hunter version, right? No. So there's another one, but that one's a really good one too. So there's a third one. It's Missing 411. This one deals with supernatural stuff.

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Stop. No, I'm so scared.

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Dude, will you watch it though? Yes. You would?

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I watched the other two. Dude, those documentaries are

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so well done though. They're really good. And if we can get it on beacon, let's do it. Cause I think that would. Yeah. So everybody

SPEAKER_00 50:54

go subscribe. So we go, our acquisitions team can have,

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or, you know, if we get enough subscribers, we'll just pay that guy to go do another missing 411 for us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:05

yeah yeah that is such they're so well done they're so scary in like a humanity way of like

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yeah

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there are people who are just like out hiking with their kid and they turn around for five seconds and the kid was gone like and their body is like three miles away or their shoes

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or or their clothes their clothes are folded so perfectly there's this one where this is this this girl and this was in the first one i think where the girl walks behind a tree and she's they They spot her walking and they expect her to come through the other side of the tree. She never does. They go over there and she's not there. And then there's another case where this dude, his clothes are folded. Yeah, perfectly. It's like he stepped out of his boots or out of his shoes and then just vanished. Yeah. Remember the dude that just like he was going hunting with like his whole family. He

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was like sitting in a camp chair. They were like in eyesight of each

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other and he just went missing and never found him.

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And then there was like a three or four year old.

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There was like six people out there hunting that day with them.

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There was like a three or four year old who was found like on a mountain. They were just walking a trail with other people and went missing. Miles away and years later and it's like there's no way they could have physically gotten here.

SPEAKER_01 52:23

You know, there's a case 30 miles away or 20 miles away from my house, Harris County, Georgia. where this dude um that these workers these the road workers saw him walking um down near a fence or whatever and they looked over they're like okay i don't know why he's walking over there they look over and they turn around for a second look back he's gone they're like what the hell and they go and they try to find him nothing the next day in the same area they All of his clothes are there.

SPEAKER_00 53:00

Oh, no.

SPEAKER_01 53:00

Right? Okay. He's a missing person, and they still have no idea what happened. He was reported missing. They saw him. They saw him vanish out of thin air. Dude, that's weird. The next day, they see his clothes over the fence, like shirts over the fence. There's his shoe there, but it wasn't there at the time. And he's still missing. They have no clue where he is. And this, this happened like in my backyard, like 20 miles

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away. Unrelated. Unrelated. I was waiting.

SPEAKER_01 53:29

You're about to lose it.

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Literally by the, like the street he not grew up on, but like lived on when we met, whatever. There was a Bigfoot sighting.

SPEAKER_01 53:37

No, I'm not talking about the murder.

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Oh, wait, I'll get to that.

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I want to talk

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about this. I

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was thinking. Hold on. I have no clue what the hell y'all are talking about. Y'all are slapping each other in the

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arm. On the way to your house. Like if we were to leave here and drive to your house right now, we would pass the street that he grew up on. Not grew up on from like 10, 11. I mean, I grew up.

SPEAKER_02 53:55

Yeah. I

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mean, there was a Bigfoot sighting and the dude like saw him and reported it to all the Bigfoot channels. Did he pull over? Never happened. Did he pull over? No.

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No, he was just like.

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No, he didn't. He was like, oh, I saw him here. Yes.

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You'll drive by there today. It was an old dude in a truck. Yeah, but here's the thing. Like, if there's a Bigfoot and you see him, like, I don't know if I'd pull over either. I'm pulling on the other side. Yeah, because I don't want to, like, get.

SPEAKER_00 54:22

Do you know that it is 2025 and we have phones?

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So he did go back and he was like.

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The next

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day? There are footprints here, so you may find them. That's cool.

SPEAKER_00 54:34

Okay, so what Josh was thinking of.

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Yeah.

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There has been, and this is not a funny situation. Okay. It's, it's terribly sad, but we have like a manual carwash. I mean, you could walk, you could walk. It's, it's up. Like there's a grocery store up here and then there's like a little carwash behind it. Um, and it's the kind that you wash your own car. You don't like drive through it. And there was a woman who was living there. like behind the car wash or in the dumpster, like next to the dumpster or whatever. I had no idea personally. It's so sad. I'm in like our local Facebook groups, like whatever. So I would see things about her every now and then about how someone like would go clean up the car wash and like bring her food. And when we had that snow day, they were bringing her blankets and stuff to try and keep her warm because it like snowed a lot here for what we get. Come to find out like, A week ago, she gets arrested for murder. A murder from 2017. Yeah,

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dude.

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She's just been sleeping like a mile away from us outside.

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That's creepy

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as shit. Her sister, who was already incarcerated, her and some dude knocked on somebody's door and shot him.

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Yeah, dude.

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In the chest. They think it was an attempted robbery, and I don't know what they have on her to tie her to it, but she was arrested.

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They have enough to make an arrest. I mean, if her sister was there, that's probably

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what they have. The victim was the father of somebody who works at our local news station. So he's really on

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getting

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justice. But yeah, we had a murderer just... you know, casually.

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Y'all are smiling. Oh,

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we had a murderer in our backyard. We would see her like walking around. I mean, so we have a couple homeless people who live,

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not

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right here, but near enough that you see them regularly and you, you know.

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We just

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want some interesting local news around here. You know, you feel bad, but then like sometimes they are like, Screaming and cussing at a car or like running out in front of cars.

SPEAKER_01 56:37

Oh, yeah. Which should not be laughing about that. No, it's really sad. There was a homeless person in my hometown, this lady, and she pushed a shopping cart around all the time and she had a bunch of stuff on it. And I remember I was with my mom one time and my mom was like super religious. She's like, I feel like God wants me to give her some money. Right. So we pull over. And she hands, uh, she tries to hand the lady some money. And the lady was like, I don't, I don't want your fucking money. Blah, blah, blah. And was saying things like that. I don't want it. What do you think I am? I don't want it.

SPEAKER_02 57:15

Yeah.

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So my mom was really hurt. Well, um, months later we, uh, she passes away, but they found out she was a multimillionaire. Oh my God. That had mental issues. Oh. And, um, Chose to live that way, but she had generational wealth. She was a multimillionaire, dude. Chose to be homeless. Chose to not buy things, stuff she found on the side of the road she'd put in a cart, but she

SPEAKER_00 57:47

didn't. I'm the kind of person where if someone tells me that they're hungry- I don't care if you're lying to me. Like that's your karma. So like we've bought people food before, you know, we've, you know, let's go in this restaurant. I'm not usually one to give you cash, but I'll take you inside to the taco shop. I'll go get you a pizza.

SPEAKER_02 58:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:07

If I'm going in the grocery store, I'll bring you some things out. We, I completely lost my train of thought there. Oh no, I didn't. We were, we were driving by somebody in Warner Robins one day and he had a sign that said hungry. And I had, we'd been to Atlanta bread company, which is closed now. And I had half a sandwich that I hadn't touched. And I'm not like a wasteful person. I'm not going to waste food. So I was just bringing it home. So I rolled down my window and I was like here, like I didn't touch it. I just didn't eat this half. And he was like, no, I've already got food. I'm working on my rent now.

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Yeah.

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But your sign says you're hungry. That's completely different things. And there are people who actually are truly homeless and need help. But now you're giving people that negative stigma. It

SPEAKER_01 58:55

isn't even that. It's just fact at this point, right? That there's this idea of curing homelessness. But you have to remember that there's just fractionally going to be piece of these people that don't

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don't want to have a different way and it

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doesn't mean i'm not gonna buy this person dinner or donate however i can because i always will do that but i think the idea that you can just snap your fingers and you know with the right amount of money make this go away no yeah and whether we like it or not we have to also address that there's a major mental health crisis going on and that plays a part too when it comes to these cases.

SPEAKER_00 59:37

I hate the mentality that we'll just take an unhoused person and put them in a drunk tank or give them a ticket for being homeless. That doesn't do anything. That doesn't help anything, especially if they need mental health

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assets and resources. A lot of them do. And it stems from their living conditions or the systemic, like I said, just how they From an early age were raised.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:03

Yeah, it gives them one hot meal.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:04

Well, I also think the longer they live and survive in that kind of like world and that becomes normal to them. It's called, what is that syndrome called? Stockholm syndrome, right? And that where like.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:19

That's where you fall in love with your, that's Beauty and the Beast's Stockholm syndrome where you fall in love with your kidnapper.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:23

Oh, well, what's the syndrome where?

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Munchausen. Munchausen is where like your parent poisons you.

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Maybe there isn't a syndrome

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for this thing. Or like the kid is always sick.

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Or maybe there is and we just don't know what it is. But when you normalize like painful conditions and that just becomes your life. So like you don't want to live outside of... outside of that. You see that in the prison system too. People that are in and out of prisons, a lot of them will tell you, I'm more comfortable here than I am in the real world. You let me out, I'll come right back.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:02

Come right back in because I'm guaranteed housing. I'm guaranteed meals. I'm guaranteed some level of safety. And people who come out of prison with a felony record, you can't get an apartment. You have to list a felony on an apartment. You have to list felony on job applications. How do they get jobs and housing if

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it's

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so limited and if they've done their time? I

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know you do. Change, right? Scared of change.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:32

No, yeah.

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Like you're willing to suffer through what you know better than

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what you don't.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:40

Yeah. And it's hard to

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reemerge in society with a criminal record because who's going to hire you?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:47

Oh, yeah. And so,

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you know, I mean, by default,

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they could probably get a job.

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Maybe

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I would like to think that they can. But to any degree, you're probably being taught right out the gate that this is not going to be a easy scenario for you. Yeah. And your decision. So then by default, you're like, man, do I even want to do.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:08

And then you have little kids who are like tricked into doing. Joining a gang or going with their big brother and then they're in a life of crime. To

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kind of segue off of this, my job is primarily process improvement, right? So it's to take technology and basically make a worker's life easier by using this technology to do this job. So they would operate this technology, whether it be a robot or a drone or whatever. But one thing that I'm faced with is I call it employee buy-in right where they a lot of these people have been doing this job the same way like for 20 years or whatever so whenever i put a robot in front of them and say well i know you got i don't know 10 years before you have to retire and you were doing this for 20 years this way

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now you have to change everything you know

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yeah so they are immediately

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leery

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leery of it and want to fight it based on the fact of like they don't understand why they would need to change.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:11

And there's probably also fear of this is going to take my job before I'm ready.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:16

Well, they think so, right? And they're lost on the idea of like they genuinely don't feel like

SPEAKER_00 1:03:23

a robot can do what a human can. Well, no, they

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just don't want to go through the trouble of learning this new thing, right? And I'm trying. That doesn't make them dumb.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:31

No.

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Just so we're clear.

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Makes them human.

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Makes them human. You go years and years. I mean, I get tired of dealing with things, right? Um, I understand that. Right. So I have to, when I'm looking at like modernizing these processes, one of the things that I really, really care about is making sure that I'll get employee buy-in by, you know, to me we can have the latest and greatest in technology, but if it's too hard for somebody to use, or if I'm asking, if I'm going to have to ask the worker to now learn all these new things, I don't think it's worth it. Right. Um, Because now if I can put something in front of them where I'm saying, listen, being a learn anything, just hit this button. That's where you start getting the buy in because they're like, oh, this has really made my life easier. Yeah. Like you're not asking. You simplify. You simplify it. Yeah. If you're not simplifying it, then they don't want to do it. Right. Why would they? So it's kind of I say all of that because it's that kind of a similar mentality, I think, when people, especially if they've been in prison for. Decades.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:40

They need to figure out how to – we need a better way to re-estimulate them back into – Yeah,

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the question they're faced with is why they even need to go back. What's there for them? What's there for somebody outside of prison at that time? It's sad. It is sad. It's really

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sad.

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Some of them do have it, right? Some of them have families and stuff that they know that have been coming to visit them and they have visited them. The whole time they've been in jail, right?

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Or prison. That's the queen of the house scratching.

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Some of them don't have that. Some of them don't get visitors. So what is putting them back out? Yeah, there's no motivation to want to leave.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:20

It's not a demon scratching in our house. It is a demon. No, it is. It's a demon. It's our basset hound scratching. It's a demon.

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All right. Well, I think that wraps up this episode of The Searcher's Podcast. Thank you all so much for listening. For listening and for those that have been listening for a long time that remember us from Paranormal Mind Podcast to following us on this, thank you for following along. For anybody new that's listening, we're going to try to continue doing this as much as possible because we like having discussions and talking and all of that. So thank you all for listening, and until the next one, we'll talk to you later. See you.