الحوار | وسيم صبري ود. محمد عيسى ود. ماهر صموئيل

"غرض الحوار: هو أن أضيف إلى الآخر وأن يضاف إليَّ منه لأني مؤمن أن الآخر يمتلك شئ أنا لا امتلكه."

في هذه الحلقة من بودكاست Ergo، نناقش الحوار: لماذا أصبح احتياجًا أساسيًا للإنسان والمجتمع؟ 

نتحدث عن الخوف من الآخر، والصور الذهنية التي نحملها عنه، وكيف يمكن للحوار أن يساعدنا على رؤية العالم من خلال "عدسة" مختلفة عن عدستنا.

في هذه الحلقة:

• ماذا يفعل غياب الحوار بالإنسان؟
• ما الفرق بين الكلام والحوار؟
• لماذا يحتاج الحوار إلى مساواة وطمأنينة؟
• هل الهدف من الحوار أن أغير الآخر؟
• ماذا يعني: "اعرف قصتي لكي تفهم عبارتي"؟
• كيف يساعدنا الحوار على التخلص من الصور النمطية؟
• ما هي أخلاقيات الحوار الصحي؟

الحلقة متاحة على كل منصات البودكاست 🎧
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د محمد عيسي | طبيب ومعالج نفسي وزواجي - مؤسس منصة قارب
د. ماهر صموئيل | استشاري طب المخ والأعصاب والطب النفسي، ماجستير الفلسفة والدين، دكتوراة الفلسفة في دراسات التثاقف - جامعة ڤوپرتال
وسيم صبري | ماجستير فلسفة - الجامعة الأمريكية بالقاهرة

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بودكاست Ergo من إنتاج المركز الثقافي اﻹنجيلي العربي.
 This podcast is a production of the Arab Evangelical Cultural Centre.

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SPEAKER_02 15:01

Taybiani lawit nien faudha ifinu hum beat kallimu ma'abad Bas Uma bismaw nulla hasininu ehnamish binatahaur umzei munkin yibtidu yib efi hewor, yani amtan ashub masembi odwa tkirmaabad, beat kallimu ma'abad, biamil haget kti maabad, likein mafish hevenu amin al hewar ilm dit kalamali. Hach biit hoyarbad kalem, hnebin binestem tel, la ristut kalamale le sadokat il il istimtea. Lo hna azduka ashin, hnebn bisit ma'abad, likein mishbuddorurafi um haga mak minkid. So if day t Sadakwa dirit la emkun dayre anim the hushaksabana eyza khoshawar, Izaamil hoor hakik, uh il mukanyamelu, il Zemukiniptidi, uhushifi ha war, zeilhanikan mali.

SPEAKER_00 15:54

Yeah mabdeyen efeminal hawar uhhtali faanl small talk ya niawho uhana anukhrugno dala fawa tia, like alhawa ttiyag inseni, fa'ana inseniti attaki, bekadr omkal hara t lba athulfiya. Nota tanya inna thawar fi umur al-hayat el insaniya il a dayye minin innukullahet fina beanzur al-hayat be'hada samwayyan. Fa'ana baamilitashbihida ba'ul ana wa ifishibagbitay winta wa ifishibagbitay wahnagre. Bsa ana bachuf l-sharah minchlel il-zhezbitashbeki winta bachouf is sharat minhlel al-izezbitashbek. Ubahba wanta shafifi fabitoli ana shaf kazah o kazah o kazah o kazeh. Awla khriba ana shayf hagam muhtalifa. Fa' ghalib n hayutla alħtulfil echher b sevab Nu al adas awnu al-Izez illehna shafid min wara. Fanibdi ehnal litnin na ta naqqas, fi sahat al adasal leti arabiha, w nit dat natnaqqas, mafadal shin nahna natanakash fisahat al-adas. Lakina alil e'el, nahawul na tabayyan, nisa'at bad fi ru'iat al-hakika, uhme heyah, ba qadril imke.

SPEAKER_02 17:25

Yani anaizat hadda bordu umikun nam shaizar sim sura an al-hawar fiha, ehna an omri maba'ul had, labasana msmu e''alin tabit uru. Awana mshmuktana anhasak nahasak shafutz tosalidi. Anam yani anam anaheflen nihna mejnet kallim alla, al hawar fi anaiz shufuget nozara kuntu chhufu get nozari. Bsa anamut khalnufi guz imin al hawar lamikalifi hana binat hadda bad. Yes, ubnit hadda wighet nozarbad. Fa fa'aiza akid alafikin wana fi hewar ha quickly, guz imin n nana ba baab bra nilana shayfu, ubasma al shoksteni shayfu, anabafhamilana shafu aktor, bafhamil shuhsteni shafu aktor, lemathadeh, fabaullu labbbas anam shmktana alafikra innu, tishbi bital, anam smuktana and n lintashuftu dakan in alba di hamedi ham.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

Izez wtak fimushkila, ho alam khalikh ofaham. Basmum can ana anla sudo e khalina no od nutnaqish e al arbe di hamra o lezar le suda, ntnakkish fi o netahadda hadnal akar, l'heatma amtahin sahetul lana shafuho amtahansahatulashev. Beseak sha enufimarhalamakira, nin il nakash ila and ta' zehlunu ilwa na ezezil.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

Khalinia, uhm lahhetlana ta lemtaha filamte disfalsafa, umekirin numan aul kutubil l'aritalabadiani fil majestir bteai kan kiteb l felesufismo Schopenhauer the world as will and representation. Kitab so womitsaf hakedab, khafifjani. Um the sfekirin nan a uom tita kiteb anargalda yan felisufda ktelf ma'eta ibal haget lobi ul hai. Fukutul mana bawa ramelatalla al-hagetilana mu khtalifiya, ho galton hina akit, ho diman fakia sahadi, ta'ban ho felasuf shtramini moraheliani nam shbaw nana le inni kheif alam u atakadoti, u kheif alan nozrap tati, ammelat alla kto filana woro. Whainik ta shafti nanam sharfaf hamu. Zembu mishfehem l'nana ammel is kul haga wobi ulha alal mandumal fi grep tati. Whu wandu mandouma figre tanya kols, bishuf, fealan, hazut shaf'alam muhtalif te mem analam na shafu. Falam mabakorin l'agetl hwa shayfha, fela'ilam ilhuwa shayfu, bil hagetl nanafha, balayam mshragbal wadu khols. Um fak watan hagetl talem tawa na bawa kitebdaho nanakarot nos kitep keda innu, musasim battal thawl t'tala il akto ilander roql. Hawl t shufila ailam Zayim howa shayfu. Uba de ma chhuf l'ailam Zayim howa shaifu, Saitha, shufba mktana beim smuktana be eilinta eyes t'ulun ho kaltonfi, eilin tay's tul uzayme kun hasan tahaul, hai any conversion l hadrakutkarmania doctor. Innu Anafag itdar ilhua bi ulu, hata wa inlam akhtan, aktanabiu wa tabaneh. Baseme kun a drukt shatarit rogiluj, a drukt maharit ill il Hogga alhua bi amila, u itari allibishuf bi alam uqtalaftima ktimenha, likein Izula na gbirta ewi fi mishwarda. Wimkin diwagetl n suthalam mahushhawar ma shahs, l-awal shuful alam zayma shahsa da shayfu, u sa'adu shuf alam zayma inta shayfu, uba'adin itna shu ma baat. Wijimkin ana mhtega sallah haget f'mafumi ana manzuri, ana wiemkin howa kamen mahtegi salla haget f mafumu manzuri.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

Ma'rat ba'ulla barra af khasoti li kaitafmabarati. Kissawara. Fa marat keda la ultilla kaibara, wunta mahimil al-khas salwa. B'zabt fa maptit fahim sha labar, uptu baloga khariba, fa ental la amaltu in na karif t kisu chupuna hour, in narrativl ho aishfiha will serde il hobby eh kimena faptit ah da tripkalis serde, l kalem daimsh.

SPEAKER_02 21:32

Wa nafana fi kusas muhtalif attakil fiqredilam mabnu drika, lenuteni ha nabadu, il akhar binisbana, ayanin ktirawi ho abitni sorrifil love yani hofi had di sad da i kram l Rogal said that uh diamil business di ghib time ubin ubin kayim ilha ilafkar, tibkan li monzuma fi kriya kamla, kissain fiha, ilafkurdi manag. But the same thing is that the people who city besiam hagat gharibahuando kustanya holds.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

Uda yzul y hot yanizul ebbiru mis uleya kbir alaya wana dehil hawar anamatlub mini akhtar awi min mugurrad inni asma akalemel shahsibi uru Yani Takadunul al-Hadisil Gamil Rakiz akhtar ala ahmitul hawar wa ala kefiyetu ila hadikbir laqimumkin awi bafi manhatel ba' tawil akhlakyyatul hawar Mahil Akhlakiyat lawasma'minak Doktor Muhammad Haga utnini Mahil al-Ahlakyyatil tunsahni biha, auletiyambari an atahalla biha likai anam befawa edelhawar linafsi alalakal.

SPEAKER_01 23:17

Yani an azharman ansahadr taqiani the sharofliinghaul ilana bafak karfif modwa akhlakyatalha. Hawulhage anamfasha khushahhor umandish hetl fudul an al-fudul safa gamilagidden gidden gidden al fudul damishmo gud anamasmushhoor. Fanadehil ashen aspithagamayana fedemas mushhoar. Falfudul hina the wahdam nl hagatil mohim. Tani hagal akleya, aklayatil growth mindset versus il fixed mindset. Fafikritin anandi akleit numu Udehil an adehil hoor ashen agurfi, atlapii, atlabadi, muhtalifama kutapli Al Hagatelta uho asia giddan giddan fulho, al akhtrom u tumatnina Mainfa shi hoor bidun asasiatrom Elhowa il Udemi Hassinhua Ulail Awana Hassistun ho lail Ayishaklim Ashkal Ahnakida Fakodna Asasiat al Hor.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:28

Fa isan Alfudul Msami Masan al Fudul al Marifi aul Fudul Insani Ul Marifi. Ubadin il il openness aw il aklil mun fetah. Wa aklitin no mo aklimun fetah likayyan wayen. Af sayydi allakrabat isiki ba ya. Filha fa yubafi aklim mun feteh Yargabfi and namo will hagatal talam.

SPEAKER_01 25:02

What tomatnina? Wtumatnina. Utomanina wanasha f lhtram mutomat nina masuliam shtara kali. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 25:08

Yeah. Taybiani Bordukan nifsin kamil, haorda, aktor minkida, um like in uh atmanan nuikun barduna wara umur mwayana, ofkor mwayana tsaidna, wahna thehlin hawarot, uchaggana al eninan kusha hawa rot, yan yes guy'ul enyim kil hagam hagatil lopodcast ergu amalha, nushagan nes in naha t'kallim butori uh fi uh fiwada amak uh batawaggu amak minilikenet fi aplikata attak nuditi bahagayimagidan.

SPEAKER_00 25:42

Aizushkurkum teniza ul hagabasablimanim she, mahf sh liv zih ni suurit il gemm okay. Wana ba shhuf adet kibiram ni shabeb du'at filmanato shabi u filmanato raqke kulu bigri ala l-gem la tatwir ilgeset. Kun fi geri ala l hewar le tatwir insenit il insen. Fajemm tatwir il insen you al hewar.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

Shokran likum u shokran l'muta baitkum lina u n chofkum fialatania mi podcast ergo.