ليه العلاقات العميقة تستاهل كل التعب ده؟ | أندرو أشرف ويوسف يعقوب

إيه اللي بيخلي الحياة دي كويسة؟ وإيه اللي بيخليها تستاهل تتعاش؟

إحنا غالبًا بنتعامل مع النجاح والإنجاز والشهرة والفلوس كأنهم الإجابة الطبيعية على السؤال ده. لكن ماذا لو كانت الإجابة في مختلفة؟

في الحلقة دي من بودكاست Ergo بنفكر سوا في أهمية العلاقات العميقة: مش مجرد إن عندك ناس كتير حواليك، أو Friends كتير على Instagram، لكن إنك تكون معروف من جوه، تقدر تبقى على طبيعتك، وتحس إنك متشاف ومتقدر من غير شروط.

بنتكلم عن الوحدة، والانتماء، والعلاقات العميقة، وليه الإنسان فعلًا كائن علاقاتي، وإزاي العلاقات بتأثر علينا نفسيًا وجسديًا. لكن في نفس الوقت، بنحاول نضبط توقعاتنا: العلاقات العميقة مش معناها إن الحياة هتبقى وردي ومفيش مشاكل؛ بالعكس، العلاقات صعبة ومكلفة ومحتاجة وقت ومجهود عشان تتبني وتحافظ عليها.

إزاي نستثمر في العلاقات الموجودة حوالينا؟
وماذا عن العلاقات اللي فيها مقارنة، تملك، Codependency أو استغلال؟
وهل الألم اللي حصل لنا في علاقات سابقة معناه إن مفيش فرصة لعلاقات صحية بعد كده؟
ولو العلاقات فعلًا من الغايات المهمة في الحياة… هل إحنا فعلًا بنستثمر فيها؟ ولا بنهرب من بذل المجهود فيها ونقنع نفسنا إننا مرتاحين؟

أندرو أشرف | ماجستير في الأدب الحديث والمعاصر - جامعة نوتينجهام
يوسف يعقوب | ماجستير فلسفة العلم والدين - جامعة إدنبره


الحلقة متاحة على كل منصات البودكاست 🎧
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بودكاست Ergo من إنتاج المركز الثقافي اﻹنجيلي العربي.
 This podcast is a production of the Arab Evangelical Cultural Centre.

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📚 المصادر:

1- Harvard Study of Adult Development — Harvard University
https://www.robertwaldinger.com/harvard-study/


2. Robert Waldinger — “What Makes a Good Life?” | TED
https://www.ted.com/talks/robert_waldinger_what_makes_a_good_life_lessons_from_the_longest_study_on_happiness%3Flanguage%3Den


3. David Brooks — The Social Animal
https://books.google.com.eg/books/about/The_Social_Animal.html?id=IRLSygAACAAJ&redir_esc=y


4. Emma Watson — Jay Shetty’s On Purpose Podcast
https://youtu.be/2caQ4j9oohE?si=jgk0FUh5dlzxZwfg

5. Erich Fromm — The Art of Loving
https://books.google.com.eg/books/about/The_Art_of_Loving.html?id=TRMEDVrkf9EC&redir_esc=y

6. Marriage Story (2019)

7. C.S. Lewis — The Four Loves

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SPEAKER_01 1:04

Il Suelda bezot etamal ali tagreba Alamodar Khamsaw Sabain Sana Arba Agel Men il Bahithin Mengama at Harvard Wil Igeba ilbiha ill bihalil hekwa yesahua il alakot al amik. With fita tok lwahedismu Robert Weldinger who wa ekher mudir l-Tagreba dimuk nestatfara galiha wa biarida. W fero'i da bi shawa ala ha'iqa' liha adil overwhelming kwiktira gidden munkan ulagbadaha in l-insen bi samu ke in alakoti. Yan il alakot guz asesi ewi mintaquinu, women is the horu, en no y flourish. Famasalan wahed min il psychologist wil mufakrin il-Amerikan William James, El ennu min asabilhagatil haddemunk ni addibiha, inilhawali kororu amluknu mishmechef wita'u. W el fil-hibro di hai arhamlok enninta tituga awi gasadeyan min in nakinta tehteber hagzeidi. Waħit tenize David Brooks, ketib kiteb ismu the social animal l-ke'in il-ktime'i, bi kellin fiha izzei ehna aborra anmegmuat alakot, eh anametkawwin min il-ginetil legatli min neskitir, anamitkawin min il-malumetil legatli mnildin, umnisakkofa, umnil ayla. Fandina adil laktira ewa Yusuf, and il-senken alakotti. Hata f il psychology, fi adil laktira ala izzei il alakot, bit usar alina alan mustaw cognitive will biological hat.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

Uh bas yani uhlini umak so so eightin yani. Yani, ana wul wenta ulteli kide ultalak il bihil hai koyes, ilbiheli haya uh stahil meshfashla, wenta ultili la alakotla amiko, hasanakanandi send it e yani mfasalt shua yekyani. Ma inta maultilish masanwehadiish uh weam mil na giah kibir. Maltilish uh mafumfelsaf is a almana masal and awl al gorodwal cause la ulti il alakotfan hasit inu Idiani maho yeni mahola kotke ma gude blac smokketba sab mishabinhayat uh hellu. Yani editorial ulal can't feed merit. But it call him, hasinu okay, and a monke in a ulen alakot doria, and less to a moguda filhaya al shiny of higher, bes Mishiel Hagel bithellilha haga hello, uh haga kwaishia.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

Okay, uh beshil hai koesaken ultel alakotal amik, samunkin eb a fienas kitir fakrananda alakot, la enhomma bihrugu manes kitiir awandum, friends kiti, ala Instagram ou Facebook, like in demish biddarura, uhenil alakot amik, will mlaiznul, yani hagamabde eya yani alokha amika, yanya loka fiha ana maruf, mengoa, mishbehabbi hega, botdarab a la tobeti, has sendanem mitchef, fumat oddar, menhir shruot, uh, fla di bitheli l'alakot kwaese, wilgawilt amilul maptedita dilakroit adila wukananditeni, innu a haul aweri in no andin adila besam shashimit tori oddi. Yenita ultii, anatawkatin aktu ulli in nageh, anatawkatin aktuli l ingez, wuda fela n lehna meta udin nahna na ishbi. Beslamabnit kelim k social sciences w psychology, l-adilabitul aks kit, il-adilabitulla and tamukini bandek in gazet, uib andex rama illikte eb uwe andex rama n anxiety, ubilak, la wandek noalakotl lehnab no sifa, de bi usr me bid en min il stress, u l-hormonul mas ul an il stress alhol kurtizul, bitfiris atdi, u dayi assar ze ala, amrodil elbu almanea hatta, ubilaks la maybe fi intimacy, awhami meye, de zay bi headdi ubi se adin nibaandek uh haiya otwal uibandakudu octor w tib ehdeh felkutbahewila ulu, in n mjdittori ellehna shimbihe, rohman adila almeye bit ulina, in nil lehna metino la kotlamik. Okay, Mesh Yani Khalini, Khalina Fokkar Mac Octor Yhbasma octor, Yani Shaholi octor Tosud e Inulwe inul Hayeh il il Thitaesh, il Hay il Gayede, Hey Al Hayel Malena, Alakota Amikotab, Nyamela Fokar Fukaza Suelba Tabul Mishandu, Tabzeab ni alakotl amikita be dihaga, maguda yani by default, tabla nessilfatin any coli di s elf it merefa, I smak octor kept differ shil fershap tata, kubadin e um hatekia meshatawil andbess l Eliza ekidali innu an mishro'i in nel kotal amikoyal hagel wa hadal bit khil haya kwayesa, basim kindil hagelah n raqiz ali hafil hal edi, la in aliha adil kaweya gidden, ufnefselwat, isu el munkin nis elu, ha addi falan bin wa tina magudna, roya filit teghdah, lao andina adila, andi hagabit khalina nazdah. Wa actually lau fakkurtifiha ehna il-Tobir at l'asril ħali, bihoti hadiet kitir didl alakotlamik. La no fakkar f fil l'asril ehna fideh, izruf ilkta sodeya will madaneye bit ħelinas kitir, tisibil mudun bita ilkan, andhafja aila uliken, andhafja ashab uraybin, awasabna l uraybin bi sefru bilet tanyye, fedeh kullu bihhoutit hadijat ala la lakotlamikal bad madbanit mukin truh il- il-shuhl law et tuwilo, awl oktarman shhuhl innu ehneba ina daiman ala egghezeh kul l diahaget bit hai rib eninta tip emawgut ini hat l-hhibral mashuro, in ehnaba in aktier la manuhrukhatta ma'abad kitir melwa t kuluhadala telefun ferrohman andena adil laktir n nel modo adam, ehnaburdu shafin anda ta' haddichos giddan philosril lahna i shin fi. Wil haiyan feederasot kitir bit ul in nuniseb il loneliness aw shur bilwehda a meladzit bezet philosrida, wza mabulla kla inal alakot hat bit osar alan mistawa l physiology awul gasadi il ilwehda uh feeder sottermin sager, yani bit osseral al elb, akter minil tamelu il il sageir. Fa fedabi bi ulina innu diagam osser inarfhatam alma tanya innu ilwehda kamen mukant osarala il amrot betatil cognition, yen mukatisara anigilak, alzheimer, aw dementia, aw korof, fani overwhelming evidence uh manga kamen, ilhagat bordul derstafil psychology innu la fe tirbit ul, and nuloka mal mualik, libi samo therapeutic relationship, munkin tip uh muasera zay aw okthar ta min el uslubil alegilibstardim. Tarify madaris alaga yeh C BTU dbt um sharife, la un nilok maal muailik, munkit mera octor menil technique lint up tsterdim. Fa fa maudual alokod, fala na l overwhelming evidence, uh, ba haga mishbasi uh me uh, orayp kuntabatforgala podcast Emma Watson deal mumasilal katmashura b Harry Potter, Amelit Amel Tanya Badia Sharum Badika Beauty and the Beast, Mabelakasan Sitch. We Menil Hagetil Elitast, and I can it be true El Tosweir Tadowara Sodokot, Delka Bador Ali, and I'm not a good thing. Willamela it el Wosatfi Kuluahedi Mamrakis Fashurlue Mamunafsa Yemakeda, Dihage, Wagaita Gidden, we f awul can it fakre, and If an away a mal environment, uba dinel elitun badis nin liped to shofu in no laya echtorit insane elit an lau kunt nagaat fow ad labadi, kun tarthassar insanieti, kun tarser rohbiti f in nana batayrifla anamine wa inya mahbuba, elit keda elitana fishurli badikulhaik bagib ah. Falawanaf Maken, Mishadra fi eb amuta akeda innes lehin habbini, wa anemuhimabinnizbelhum octor minil muntagilbatallao anam sharhasaur.

SPEAKER_00 9:55

Da likinem hanchtagelba.

SPEAKER_01 9:58

Interesting in nah n fokkar fiya in diwahda, ishtahlit forihud, beta kutfluskitira, mashuro, uhfisrata ba hanchtaglo uh kidma tagin stah, baslig tlakhil khazi in di kissa mashyamaa il hell mela eedi l' ili bihhel hekoyes in the abba mashur, inni abba angest, innibaya fluskitir, wehtori tisip kul lidel in the canfihaga amak baddawa aliha ketma gwan nam shlaye. Wil kabitulun niroyoho, in il bain kemema gwain bassi la autori ayata i shobiha yani il il kul eyz ithab. Bab shabb, you suppan shikamel a henul Flam Dilpti kalemalho.

SPEAKER_00 10:36

Yani, ana kutamelun basma basmag with haki kusat ema wat sun ditoamelfakata maimkin he tabiyachse mwayen. Demo heme binizbelhe, wuma edritch minheru, minhir mhbesmanhiru, minhir terkis kibira ali ya torrohan sibil kanir betahakullu, like ifinas tanyira, yani tabia chochsiotyan.

SPEAKER_01 10:58

Bus anamtifit maakin Tabet Shokhsiot Betahtalif Besifroy mish fi medal echtiegl alakota lamiko, lekin fi medal wai bil ehtiegl al-kotlamik. Finis airfit meshihal, finis ajfit tirdub elilhe, ufines l'wain okter, l'huma mehtagin e. Wašan kina na gitilak edila almef laul ente muktibahasan mishmehteg alakota amika, basit la inaf bigilak amrod menayeh waanek kikte eb, wandek anexiite, besit ulda ashan shuliktir. Wail sin ninta mishweym n nintalandek kalakot amak kaib al HPA system bitaq bi ehe de aktar, wul kurtizul bi il, mukim al tahtek shi defsil kemil adweye, thhaim, fantamum kin yib antakil arod, basinta robita, behagatania mishrobito, and nuguz eminda, enana mishmeshi mal design outosmi bitaika insain.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

Okay, ta be tuul ilila ħaddi bi smana bi ul naandil omroddi basim minila ilkotilfhayeti mish bisabh.

SPEAKER_01 11:59

Adawanisberi yani mix sense giddan, la innu lau fi ehtyega umiikl hege, la u mishi twehesh, hateuga okter ewi. Yani kulamal hegemish muhemma, lau mamishi kwayis, hatonish haipa khlos. Lakin kma kulamal hege muhimma ukumen ura yeba, kulamalkotib arab anabeb eh, fetehnefsi ok, anabab honrable okter, anabab amitashim oktor, fala w twaagat, la hatwiga, gamit gid. Wisahit il Siro da haib amil zayil il waga woman ilibiddi alarm bi ulli mishal mafrud. Fi haga hlot and a mishel mafrud, atamil kashi, and a mishal mafrud eb amugorot tirs fe'ela izimenu nateg muyana and a mishil mafrud at di kulle daw badin at hen. Sa dem mishman na alakot mishmuhmelkin manhimma, lemma mabil shisah, betegrahawi.

SPEAKER_00 12:53

Okay. Yani meshi, yani fordanakhonatil alakot hayeti l'alkot al amiko, mishbessil alakot, uh Yani healthi tori a mwayyan epidi atzorof biha wafkurbiha fil modwada alashen, a towarl modwadaf Hayeti nesil Mogodaf Hayeti o So Lakot Gidida o Alkot Gdida.

SPEAKER_01 13:18

Busem nil Mnil Turu illit alimta Fokkurbiha innifi haget kitir mahtagin na taamil maha alal mustawa il-fikri l-kognitive alal mustawa issuluki il-behaviourl, okay? Fan awwil khatwa, bunan al-kul kalemilnet kalim na fida, innil wehadjivdali fakkur nafsu, inni dihaga muhimma, wisaba, fabit teli estas mirfiha. Yani fakkur il- lamenta kutma l saltini ili bihhil hek kwayesa wa ta'waqkatin jaulak il- inghez awi shuhra awil filus. Di haget, fa'w et ktibtibqa saba ba sibnamil e bin haiwil ħat talo fachalna, ubnibzil fiya magudu, bnekut kursot, ubin addin fetat muhtalifa, ubin hewil n nigib mayif, la ennin ta muqtana andil mawdwa mistah.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

So, l'ana fetah business will motwa fetish, mishhafiru, haf hat nafsi ashana.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

Ablimftahwa hamel drossit gadwa waha busa la haget online waha odmanes fatah businesses la enim muqtanan aldo'dem. Bese besehna mish mishbinamal a la kotori yani mish mishbinestas mirfiha, wishbinetabu mh'bin howul ubin hairib, w erik from il mufakirulandu kteb mashura nil hob is mufanil hob, el keman andana ta wako sezig innu kulinabnaarf nibafa lakot. Yani kenu il Modo de Tobiyy ibn nizbana fame shmehtagin fima gud, woal kitabitawbi ula defan, mehtek titalimu.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

We fan hagga saba yusifan eb nigi e ne nibfalakot, babtim shish nul e yibnof uh e the mukrifasar lifitolo t kitir la no awul ma l Yani biasal meshekil f ega weza uhtala tmu bakkira yani, uhnessbut uli khal yibanamahtornoshkois, uhwahanish compatible uh shanim shanim shimaadwal inu l'wanafama ksah, lod delfea l sah andadlwa tba, ho debay lwa tlifi nipti bay ne consultinis winishta alnaf sina u nahot kur sot w n'awul ni shufil mo dwa z no keno andina business, can it fikretu heluwa, baselamartadine, ipta yzhor meshekilfi. Fa mshansibu shander mi anime awul uhadi, han shtar ali.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

Besopt u demain tabuk sh Basal al gawez yantabakala el alakot woman alal alal sadakot. Fe fa'al mustawa fikri lezimakhtone enamashan kida a sotti inni ta'wul sweef inni ofdal adik edilla, wa' anal mustawa suruki, itab, eb ibzin maghut. Bashaga malay tanya lahistoh bardu ebunkin t side nafmodal alakodde, in nulawana basor adil weti wa hesis bewehde aw bandish alakot amika kfeye biasal haga mshah enana bagurra bathul fela lokamika, belein naha mathatić fil-mustawa lakunta hebba fima kunt uraib ewil shokh, awil mawduwa mem xix favaruh elbit trawiz. Rugminil il-mafuda ta' lakaw in nana mishhagi min sifr lashar. Yani anam mish fala lokamika mish Awwil Magia khu sha fala loka, ħalain fsibarof wa t ibil minil oqhr. Felhek mal oktar inni eptidi abus sifil, muheitul hawaleyeye, al-alakotil muteha, wahawil amal ħaktien, af zal alħadil ednem nal ta'imu liliktimehai, was tasmer f shwait alakot in yan illa kot wawaat. Amalyan ozdii, innu araqki namb ishtul wa talmobile in nana m lawana beruh gambi supermarket masalan kitir, btisem lin nes al alium and kushum il da hajfri. Haisin nana ba fi noam nala kot, wut tikro fidawer muhtalifajfri, wwa ma aye ba ta' fi wa had dem fish shul bigiminu latif, ta' mahewil, a haki ma'shwaya, ta' mahewil olluma ninin nishrab ehuwa ma'abad, mh mishlezem hakirwa an tufti we we seralti u bahebbimini ani mishmanisama la'ama. Beswahed kunnem nistaltaf Badu bin hazar, ta'manechud step tanyye. Basilviasalinu la bele azem talahu alib ema kalimushol. Manfesh, nifdal filmustawa da windower wa keze, femtega negotiation shwa tafaw t kida group.

SPEAKER_00 17:29

Hey, Bus Yani, Lisabin is beli bordu hasin if you hege mishrag ba'ad mehi. Yani bahawa fok karfi hasze uhsana, bahawl masan okoim sanal fetu hottahdev gidida. Twaan niskitira botolita modash mabotuj ana arf actually t regata uhtiamethali ni baidbarf hotta ehdef a san wa arfausallah. Bes Yani bafok karfema san gismi mehtahis uh dikeda kilohet uhli mehteg masan amil wahedit nin taletah il omrma bigif beri oh wa mehteg kameen atowara alokti masan betalat ozakude. O um Yani Heyima Bidishkida Hyamunkin Tigi Zana Zohar Meshekil Mahad Muhim mefayeti, Biseb el Aroba or Bsebkida, We Karotini Tabana Hasha alokhodi. Ashalobshal Shaliha Ayasal Meshekil Ogborieni. Fahimi, Bitigi Karot de Fal Lil Meshekil Tasal mit Alakot Oktor Mininu Anafil Mutlok kidah Yallo abba insen Andi alakot amiho.

SPEAKER_01 18:40

Andi talihin, il-Taliqil Awaleni imkem il Hagalamalak mushkila eya tori toriet il Milbitashok Seyetok in Ninth tibal Doragit ninthot ahdef bitit es fant ulti hahis teleta kilo kem kiteb, mishkul hagga quantifiable, Mishkul hagga tdor te ishabasura femima, had lamat tower ubuwetak, had had ulha tawa ubowiti asha ragat ubu ubuya, mishadim shkid, fishwet haget had ula eyes atwalma' ebni, besmishdeman ha'ul, had masatin, yannyi maptem shishkit, sa famukin tohut gulam withault tetharak nahitu, that talikl awaleni land. It talikit teni kun nehna saat kitir benishtakel batori itnehnantofihare metasan mushkila atamilmaya, mishbit derura demane innu di ofdal tri atamilbih. Umishlezim yib abardu betori it and ad akhisana ula na iza blitalatashabgudet. Bsle ba'ulu la wintan harda haddi bis man, wuhtana innu ila lokathagemu bosal hayatu has anemandisha lakota mikha kfeye. Ilana bauluda munkin yib a wasilit taharuk andu mishahota basa hamel keda e nozrahawala, wana hawalayameen. Lendi haget anabashufa fina stiki tottoshkiri, wana wahidwuma hawesh had du misharifi, faptidya ulu tobmafishad yimfatis tesmer ma' laqfi furem baselamahawiltzil ma'eh ali hanit ebel bad zbwain fa'si nem shroybin nukfei. Tmahbibi mantamandak sha lakot, amikokfeya, mishatiba rab shhoshili, en nukwa t nzilubad zwain di bedeya. It's okay. Oh, laqbasana s lq ankushad dwa bedir, lahsana trifit, ta' malofadilt kheif ma' tkochim kotrot, mishatathark. Fehina l-liba'ulu innu laqiem fabus wa'ul fulende anastal toftu, ow fulendeh la makkellim tanil mawdwada azhar i temeh munkin yib ehewil ma'dwada za yi. Tma kallim u ta' machuflaw niddar namel hega, ma'abad f'mawdwa la gibna de awmanuhrug ni kallim fikidah. Wij hagga na anabamila ma anaiza rafok akter matiginzil ma'abad, uhwana haib a smak okter, waptidi ankushwas el as illa.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

Eye shutawdin alia bas.

SPEAKER_01 21:08

Ariani. Aumram hassalit mai. Umra m ultil had matigi nit evelu ali la Ariflahu mish newi, haioli tabni zabat wanshuf. Ai, Bash Haioli la wufinas la nit ebel, uhtibail wehina int anabaruddal suel, tabamil e. Hemish daiman al-fikraptim shi bombu dwaye. Sa'et ngzit ta'bir kide k'innui ilhaeb tidina forsa binasmo ayna. Adihub tasakti lwa eb awahad geb echru besab mushkila mwayana, u khalos misto nafsu, u had de fishure korror, yikub, wef tah elb. Faditib abday ta mikalok, fe, fased beteh kide besoof, sahet betephtega, no aminelwail innu, mumkinib al shhhoz do na goodin fishure Luis aluni melec basanal Okay.

SPEAKER_00 22:23

Okay. Yani he actor karor be nana khalinefsi meftuhsahlilforsi il hybit ad dimhali, akter minnena shoksiani.

SPEAKER_01 22:34

Wa bedr ahe okay, tame. Uhwif ufwif naf erga ifterod mushmetza botanti. Za yifterod innu il ingezamin alakot, awiftarod innu, madame na khtalatin alakot amika, awul ma'hulialla, idini hatim shi halewa wwa wukulin nas hatiftahli, ideha utrahabayya, la haipafis robot, anahab uh mehtaget allim, wumum kini pafeya haget, muna fera liso ifhaget ma bamalhes kwais la nimish mit morran, ala lakot kwaisash kita htaktakut kalem manis uraheb, ba ulum i l'hatna l'ilfehme bes ken no alaskale kide, la ulna la lokal amikotisha awashara, la intastagel naktahawwila lakot minit nin l'arba minteleta l'hemsa, win nakti draba ba lakot f mustewa teleta al khemse, ia kawiya do lotta kla kotaye, fatib aga lakot amak mish tisma alhalan narda, t' ultimem ya la ħushifa loka amika u te tatawaka and ndiniya tim shisalkay.

SPEAKER_00 23:31

Okay. Tai, Yani, al hadil atin hase habit kelleman had dibi sora malwehdeh, had dibi sora ma ryebila el kotla il muhima will amikov hayetu, webin how n shagan ho waitow dawi hesib aham mietu. Aw had a handul mushkila basmish hasizbi.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

Fe mid day. La intamukin tibish midday, ba la ennu inta meshaf innuguz em min mushkil tekfilhan mandaksha la kot amika wašen kide itditl adil shahtl f'a'wi. Okay. Fe kul kulinem mehtagan aktor inizitabi.

SPEAKER_00 24:09

Tab uh yani fbeli bad la tuhana mainit kalinba no tenim nal osh koslwa sami baf nahetanya kolos. Lahawa hayatu melyena alakot melena umesura yeba, okay, wedabi khalli oh yani mandushrama al-wehda, man dushrama um Yani Mishakilhnat kalimna annaha, lekin il alakot bin nisbelu still Mishhage positive Mishhhagge betalla al udem, Yani Masalan Alakot Meliena Mukorna, Alakot Meliena Tatoful, Alakot Meliena umilhira Masan Aukida.

SPEAKER_01 24:51

Hawadaymen Basai Ela Gbira Bihu Badu, Bishhufu Badik Tir, ukolil kalende, bes um Yani il Alakotel Misal Gamil Betidikida heza nomen iltiahwil omkla dynamics il alakota layal il misalkaya nifil awil kwaisin nah'ta ultil suelda besirodi ana meshayz yeusal lil nesil pismana ennu il alakoti l'ami ka on se ninta wusaltilha, ħalos il- hyptib awardi bi ba mafish mashekil ehna bani admin kulu wahet fina, andu tori tisti ajeb wwandu ehdef wandu modi, fahanifdal bin khabbat faba, diaman haib afi friction wahtikek, wahawa ta' Robert Woldinger whofil tek tok betatu, el il-alakotl amikha, il-bitħelil ħaj kwaesa, sab, uhomu kalefa u mategawat, ashanti bini u matega mghuda alashen, t'hofz aliha, fe għedi, innu hajb afi sobot ħatfila lakohti l'amikh unless i lak alamadwal srobasiz notbut tawaqqadh. Il-hagat tanyye erik frombi ekkida al-fiqra diptoryatania l-mabi'ul, fil-kiteb biteaw innil ħobb, mesh mechanist kror. Widjahaga aksilha na tokana hatan binul eh, aniza gowzashon stoker. Lawi ulak, ilhob halit harugde em, we fiha munkin yasal kna et kitir, u msh ladha betana nehmit khanesh, il-hadaf bitana nehna, nithul fabada okter, fektir, ben ilwat il-khineet, munkin tifehimna nefsina ul ochar okr. Uwant tali feri makqaw il mawduwade, waan alima ba'alkida bitid day, wante fehimtah zeila mamal tikit. Fehina mehtagin nizabba tawaqwa innu ilalakot mehtaga magut, wili andina staded, nibzin magut fishul, nibzil m'gud ashan nisefir, u mushandina Stadin nibzin magut fil alakotrog minn naha muhimmakit. Okay, lekin filinta ultuba mdu masan lawa ilet u kida fi kem ansur tani mehtagin nifokkar fi. Innu aħenan filla elet aw fil alakot il-kitir, mumkinib afi guz hadda adnem minil aloko il- iktima'ye in nihna fi lamma fi sha'ur biddefa fi shor bil intimeh, wil shorbil intimet, ke innu e derivativef kideh aw haga mustok komin enil insenke n alakoti. Ana hinel intimeh fi fikrit inil alakot septa o stable. Mishbes se aloko enambasotti bilkohda, u khalos le ana beshufa kitir, in tedaiman ebilni fel hagel intimet fiya no minil stability, ufja noa kemen min, inifya haga akbar mini batawini. Wada nahna kabosha andina mill bisemu il-transcendence da ewil te semi anizet. Nayza ish lfkusagbira, Aiza mil moshroa anega, haiza and temi line di auzim, aiza fehim, fi dame eyes haga ugbar mini and tamilia. Fahandinal hagel intime, usa at nana nibandia elakot kitir uh dimnaqbira, bid dinil hadil ednam minil haktindul ilakot w shore bil intime.

SPEAKER_00 28:03

So, well in anamalfokim mitil intimate wafokurfa lakot fadi, ma'had, wafokurfi body anni of minila elakot o muqtama ame bentemi li belad sa ni diena fari ail uh shur.

SPEAKER_01 28:21

Sa, basena ba fitrika innu roh me innu uh mumk ni bandi shaur bilin teme de mumkini sa kinni swaya lekem msh beddarura yea mel it sal haqikli. Inihalini ad dik misel keda semmi syndromal obbel mosri. Sendromal abbel mosri deh. Ilowa ayelu, ayezum hawali, ubadme gawizu nifsu nhum yuzuru, bese ewul meku yzuru, mumkenye sebum ui ħushi nem, awiwala at televizion fem, fawa sha'ur bin nehnam al mumin, shawur b' nehnamabad, wwofalan shor helu. Bes mishor te yeb mabnya ali marifa ħakil kiya wuropta hai. Fehina ba mehtega wwai innu Zymen ult kwaysinibandil ħadl adna, kwaesinha nib ebnig gamma kaila, kwaisin naandines kitirba krukmayhum, basamahteg mish basel ħadil adna anda mehtega elakot amok. Winahteg nana amil no aminitamiz, any elakot fiha ba baudu uben oddiwa tlak latif, le kin fiha lakot mehtegas tesmir fiha okr. Wumahtegba a gorub hal finas filaila munkana ruhma'um abad fi mk mkanhagrinhan froga la filmamabad a unekulbas wuniptidin niserik bi mesher niserik bafroh, niserik bazen n nithulgowa bad amak nshuf bademangwa walala. Wfi hagatal teba in fi dinamikyyat ghirsa heye, diba labuddin wahdiyewa aliha witamilma, zement ultima w dwa il- Mukarno, il- Mukharna di hageh katila lilakot u katila lil shorbilkim, wwahtifdal daimen, mabtu sols, whey mishha'adil, naktabit koharin nafsag bahaddi fil il-hagan he'i al-khagit minku i, musbit hot rehl, mushbit hot il-mota l'anukul wehet. Fal fala di hegem hteg a shilhe, ye imm lawna mish eder axilhe, atallim aklos mitasiras albi alayeh, awfima salan al kot bi bafia no oml-tamalluk. Innu ilwehet has nana pteau, l-mdayma mutahli, hamil alam ezegu ma infasha bafala kotanyye, uhadili bi sem mwa codependency awala toxik la ennufiha, di mishalak sa ħaya mabneya alal horeya mabneya ala il-ħedud la dimabne al tamalluk. Feina il alok adimum kintiben amikoh, la inat m odima abadu wa tutwil gidden, base mish amika kfeye, la enefija anam mishmawgutke insen hur uh we bahtur. La anab ba yetim mim tile ki you ba ta'mel keshi mainfash akrukbarra hedudmaya na uhalbiam mishik.

SPEAKER_00 31:14

Okay, yani hellul uhtalinta wasul lahdi wukai ni delwati isasal um tul ilhad il alakotbin izbelo can it sabab uh waga uh wa alem wutabab game it gidden farodil fialil motorokim, alamorisinin innuana, yanibabnikida defense hawalaya, hita hawalaya, um la nukulum hawaletil alakot anzi ma editinabasit wagat, bas had stagalini, basahad uh uh Tamalakni uhenta ulti ani febeli winterhakia anil alakotilha fiha possess possessive uh yani teliki um uh giveli n kazahad thef home uba din lament atahba ulti bosil aloko di mimbor shaklehaha amikla nina oraybin, ma gudzin, ma'abad, waha kaza ba safil haiya, where hadminal otrof she mish insane, fahye mishalo amiko, the aloka stiglerya Afgeli kedafagalha yani atafahem ewila had uh yuli la yani khaliha beida asanil minimum ili khalini eder of uh uh mutaish wehazil haiya uheli ma mroti in shalot koyesa uh kida like iniskalia.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

So uh lahaul fagumlau ba din munk in fakika uhul shoselhai ficida in fihaga ohash menelwaga wa mout in akte koror in nakhul shala cot amiko koror in tharu gutzaima unla dina edila rohiba in l insen ken alakoti fe la winta koror tmatab eshfe alakot amiko mishatib ay bilmana il kemil yani mishati flourish, mishatiz dair, hat survive, hatapk, hat ruheshul, hat ekul, wahatishub, basem shatiba insan bilman al-kamel. Wil hagat tenil al shoksimuta' ellimda mata mimx dem wahddem n-aħto il-cognitive lipit għamil, innu mishkun in nena filmodi, kanfi alakot kitir, aw ħata' ehlebel alakot, kat muzebin nizbeli, dema ne innu mafish eye alakot gajida u mafish eye forsa la kot il-gajede. Fil- eħleb maasini in ehna binetawar, u maħdirit na ala innihna nifhem in nes w nifhem nafsina w nhut taħdud bitiktor, uma' ilwa tib'andina foros dam bitiktor, whaga gemila ptah sulfamosrin n'na mel, yzidil wa'in nafsy u fursitin nes titse feh ma' ilwat foros il-musada, winumuwak, yi bi ehilak in ninta, yimfa titul fa' l fa la kot ofdul. Yani t'arifni bahebbil il afhlem, wahed minn il afleml khawe ofil he tedifi film is mu marrige story. Kassed zaweg. Wwi be itninin bi beyonfasal u asnel film, ubin shuf, kamil waga, wuma biyfasalu bi ugawa dawi ulukalem sa abbigid dan ufimesh had kawi biod istimf badu ba bi nhormel ayot wih behbat al heta bik saraho, fha kimini yit mesha wwaga rohi. Besag kwawi awi filfilm da inanaf shokh sida filfilme bihani uhne fihe beod yulin nizala alakot saaba we biasal keza bes in naklow ma'amal shalakot you you'll be eloon and alone is not alive. In naktib alwahdek dh mishhai. Ragminifi haddibi e akkar numa kwahdibi taiba kuhadibi iznu ak wa ħadibi talla ainak laikin law karrt in nulaqa, mishtib hai. Mufakir teni beritoni shahir is mu uh CS Lewis ketib kutubu kasasas kitir, andu fakra kawe awif de innubi uul, la winta ayes t hof za la elbek minnuhu yitkisir, mathebbish m'tħul xfa' alakot, ma thebbish hatta haiwanet wa'ashieq. Wisaita elbek mishhait kissir, mishla innu ba'h kawib ilman algaid le kle innu tosal lob, femet, ftake innek bitlif elbek finaash, fa omabik kisir sh, bas mabiambuch, ma bi għesh. Fa' anem odddur ewil shoh il qhosil lifidmehak wana anashuftenis ba'et misharfa iyameen, lena adit sinin, fa alakothom mafiyya bit eml biamilul bit elumbes, fa mishayrifana eum mishairifana bahebi, mishairif, amil alakotizzey ewunis kedem bitul kobal biloom a u tariqa fem kemilwaga. Besilbadil mout feim hhtaga muhatrom mzuga bil hekma. Il hekma lith ilzajim ult mishafta harab a wakikulla hega, besa'alahizwa fta hateh, wa agarrab wa hawul akaiim, we fa'lan mamishit sha shanshdem shay alaya wa lana linda fata awana anditawa kohiru akaiim adartis rufufu wakas.

SPEAKER_00 36:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:44

Tabmeza anil alakoti lena muttorla, ya ni misha aloka bachttorha uma bachtarhosh, like in hei haga fhayeti, alokama uhuya, awma aw ummi, awhweti, awmuroti, aweli, ya ni hadamish basem shmashikwais di mahtaga hekma umahtaganu yani kul le shhosh, wefokar, we foddal lawfi had disadu fit tafkir, la innu, munkin fiash kosmu ayana, yib u yedubak iptadu yuwa u nafum, wuktafu kam megera hot kitir, ukame mashekel kitir, fameshayre ifi time alholis, fadawa tinuyehud masefa swaya, wala mh'hesh adrihud masa gurafeye inu mish adresibil bit, munkanyhud masa nafseya innu yib biat fil bit ulail biod borra olaily autfuttu aktor, l'heitme yip tidi yif ham nafsufai ba edri time. Al ashkhos il akter kudra alal timeul shuyeye, mehteg yip tidi y ye gisen keda wis el suel, ho la lokadimu kinruafia a badl khitfin, u mahteget tagribashwailin, sa abmanis kitiri uli mafish aml, mahfish fajda ana gorrubt. Basilhayel hye il aeshfi hekfe gorrub, fi haget kitir, bi abain land, malhash mokrag, ufeg efihah, muhtarifab tehsal, u sadal feg edib tiba, natigit terakomotsuhoyor. Famasalan alokuma abuya uhaddi mumtaddim nila, mishazem niptidiba alkohami kbasmunkin hewil nishuf il munkinbsikwais. Famasan arafness, chef abubi hebbi eh, wukur innupiti tebe ariodo dil abubi hebbeh, alashanib efi ei hai no shot biamusawa, way hagababit beat na shufiha fe chef ni warifni ke ibnu chef ehtiageti le basal elbaye, fi what binami fiagama abba. Wwafikra, il-fikra bti eit la anakutemateg oktor fene kidam gwa no issa asan bi ħelin khalafikra innu lafikra nehnat frogna bawba inhat hekna nehnekan hassel heg fi tele telemus hassel, uh nais oktor, bas mishharmi l' el ashanal octor mishhousl. Uma ilwa tetarokum hagetsu wa yorom in di mumkinfta magel il oktar la in the ba'ina e, benal tohhi okrub nem hagetlizim about doctor, the mukin hushifil hete il shaikal octor badikida, benehanifta hagga anam woman neha, a wa ulu into petfoker fizzehon traipta milkide, isluk the bi dayini, bes badimanip'e ifihad de ad na hassel, waha mal hekma nismaena hanul, khalos da anhattuf hetemoyan, fapsarohamasan fines Arofha, Elli an l' mabastardi ma fulen kil mit boba mabarofataim. Fanba amlo al in no stress fulen. Wbiba fi bin nahtrom kway subne kulma'ba do besalali, ubis alalaya bi with dinny, tonon ha hatufeta yarfinetimel. Ew, mabastardim kil mit boba ubi gima mata wa kot mayana, an na betwiga waba mshaar fataimel, wakas b'zdebad. Bzhawalet kitir. Mmehtag a hekma u ta grebak tir, wa ashufan edrosolf.

SPEAKER_00 40:00

Um heldabian tobak echarhetn tolte dib tontabakala la torfit tani mish babesil ayi maghoodya anda koolil, coolil, hal adi kabin binhawin fikra, and a la cot bit maghood. Sa, basila lakot mishtn torfwehit. Sa ye fa fasueliho wa um k any Isaac ta akiditani emta ool in anholo's uh gorrupta kull hagafila loko diho w dehirha. Femstahmila magut teni m muhaulet teni.

SPEAKER_01 40:34

A hate fasuel la will torfit teni mish bi hewil, da taban bi ellil ewimforos in nulla loco temshi, basejin misil ditusayet, istimorori anaf muhawlet, mumkini sahhet torfil okr. Felawana, fallen ebni teday itfora galariodom mu'anamin abu. Awa hebtidi hesib urb, mumkini khali gehez innuibedr oktor badikid. Lekin tulmahmakan mit khanin, ha wa hasizdahawa sueru lezimi attizili uha kazefem, lekin lama ibtada ybfi urb, munkin tihla mubaderit. Fa''o, lawul okhar mishbi štegel, debbi sodala loko gemit, bsahanan baden mobadat al-bamila munkin teso hai haga fil okhar il hagatanyal litwarini innu in nana amel haiwil haiwil, we mafish aya haga egaweb tesal, biasal bas haga salveye, we andi iraya soh l'il haga salbe lip tesal, yani e. Yani ahayanan kitir bizet masan figawez, l'set masan aurogi ului, an ultilu kezamorro, mobidra jorsh. Anabiaswali saita, o mabidra jorsh, asham meshayz, wala mbidra jorsh, asham biansa w tahir mahtegwat, mahad dishina trobba al hega, a la madur, ashra ashrin teletin sena bad mahai uba dahwarwe head tatsal. Walahattabadashar harot. Sa. Sa, fana fana l'mehteg Ibandi wokaiafil karoa. Ha ipta de dhyer wamalamarra u moritinu waikani femahteg uh korro luteni, wana na ulti, ma na ultilu ablikida uhritin teleta el mafudif tiker la demeshwa kai. La kilwana kulama baullu bi uli anakida winkan agbik, a ibahom shaisidrajer. Faib adabi hot yani had lalok. Fe mehteg numa te griba ora kway so al mawduamish meshri, a shammehtegwa ta shan shosi dryer, wallahuem shayz, walla ehnamishlain, yan hine fife kratanya, inusa'et fi sodakot ehna binhawil fihe, lemugora de ndisa takot adim, yani kanozd ashabno, lemudotwilohna z rayorin. Rogmen nehna mukin batzahebno, la ennu zrufabitna, wudul ken moguddin, mishma nahna lain alabat. Fabordu milhagetil lemunkin tul ebzil magudwala e nibandi no man tohim, efagab tulin nehalain, eyfyhagab tulin nehne yimfanim shil uddem, fana illa il kot lana gorob tifiha naha muhim w nehna dona hagamabad, bata pfiha ubabzil magud, uwa bahaul morra wut nin waashero, la inni shuft in ifihagabtitla. Uh Famahtaga tohim.

SPEAKER_00 43:12

Okay Ta Yani wana bid uh Yani bidhulla skida Hajbi Si Yani Nahatil Hawarda And Hasna typed Yani Mana i Misheri minil Adadi Uguweya Rogmini Mukhtani eyeswul inta Arif to Tokniani ba meita we machotur ghiaba we inu anake in alakoti ukulikemda in nozoriyan muqtani abi ba sila mtehita haki ba meta tata tal lobu il alakhoddi mingahdu muhaulet we erya we we we wa ħwarot aw muaget aw e adit tafkir wa hikmahsit il Hyafiyyha ma yakfi min ilfarhoda, okay.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

Udo totsarot yaniza beat il mish il mishmehalini either hotel ma you wanna when she's tour or locked yeah uh taxit koiz is the woman of core like shareikin hagash lilakot or khelius m say li balahoa kullu hasis more hofa genuine maek nana authentic maek del how delta to sulk.

SPEAKER_00 44:55

So haleyan and mforhut.

SPEAKER_01 44:57

Ayy Femme Awi wa wizaul a tokid iltori al libishi bihal hewar sahmit fidah la in nana adimt ma'ifan nozoreyan ahammitil alakot u ehlb il podcast ehnam malin nineish adil alakot mut il mashekil betait fel fel in tobalandek mubar we imkin khalini a sharkak bhege teda waqwa beseye mehtega tita'esh fanestaduh. Basqaleni ašurkak bahakti. In tarif quasi in nana bandis ramail depression, our feeling down waqaza, we lamkil mawdua dala manakunt depressed, um kuchfehem and fi aga sma ikteb ikalmawdua gaheim. Ba othar rogay, wahdem il haget ilana ro'i naha sehmet fin niktebi khif, hena do'ta al kotamik. Kenfikem so hipkidem enil kuleya, do mam hagemat utesh ablikeda nehna, benit ebel ma'abadu bin haki namil efil hae, u ili lilasma, wahna kaifim e ufnif sinafi, ukaim kuchmagub de ablikeda, and kut kutemgorub in nehna, binukruk, bin have fun, bin amal on shutam ayana, like in nehna not kulfaba dikah, we wmalwa te keman, kuchhafanahuma, bihebuni, wwanum sade yamelu haget leye and tarifana bahebil Aflem wana kutipta aflem ablimta felsefa wa ilmunaf sul hagedi. Fafia wet felan, kutman hagetma magnuna u labistum layetfisherashana izin the sowar vidum ayan umma, biamelu keda alashen, bi hebbunium seda infeye fehim, felhibro dipta tina urabim badu finas bethebbini, harfeyan shafitnim nikte ebbi. Wa wmail wet, lamenest to uli tabinta ramit sa ydolon t'arest Hamasin sa ydalomashtahti jbiha, bullum anal hagel wahedil na shaf nanat lia tibihha, ben al-Hamesinin dul, huwa magmatis sahabdi, wmstal e nezdi anal mabad ma'umfa hesis bhomkasdi lakit anfiwa had marra wahna bin haki uhnaba alna ishraba twa naifu waminu af saratu e ubatfurga lawa big borze, wana bogburzei uzehna, ilhawarda, ah mokmene lukunabin binitkelimu ablikedah, ana lintwala handi ken anda adinfegan. Winnahnam no rein la drage ina laqiban natit elfebernemeg, anal modwa deben nezbelikam mushba oktar min ina ekul sukuloto lakl helu alhatas amerisilgins. Lit Dorogodi anakunt mushba be nehna connected, will connection delia aloko bi mesira u maharifa u hagat saaba, hagat hellwa fe wa bib efi mawesim dolma, u saba, magut kitir, whatta lishabdul, faw eta kutaba etaben innuit abel andaba itfil koherohom kanulisa filfiskindereye, fanit abel, weatizeru, we kharu, misharifte, bes mistel, u had dizale inufemhaga hlot, ma ulayb minda ebe andam royaloya game in madina tanya, besba do badikedaf ikte ebibi wmujbe a la oksad dragoot furotanya mistel. Washina bit ul anam forhod will will hai fia haget kitir forhodo. Fisu alin youbenu bosot gidden, besit alem tna s alam l'fsenak tir, wash nabium a gaiol hai What's the point and does it work? Il hadefalenabamiru de shagel, fala wehna nordal haladiamin ul minil royot, minil royot, minil royotil muhimma, wo cussas wayotin a la kot amika, battakis al nafhi ilha manina forhado, lemaptataganna forhadotl alakot, betirteh bus fas, ana ro'i and tabet fasid mehk, bazdi samwa hassal bay. Awil mabit bottal intabit fassibidmehek, but il tab ma good lisam rash. Lakin alalaks, anadi ani tatsadni fiha, anafi a yem beba fan tabenu orfonu moodi wehesh, uba din al toki ba umk marshors bibandi energy.

SPEAKER_00 49:28

Rominanta introvert, uhwiani.

SPEAKER_01 49:30

Romana introvert, la ufina smel bal toki me yumba had ma fa'ada bi sherikni baat mahabeba wu beutlu be ma shortti el nafseya wa la koteye, fabi shek bagamish fan. Haget ila bes il il shuor be innu fi insen in fatahalaya weken nafsu wana kuntena nafsi will tohina inseneye nushuftu mgowa wariftu akterufim to akter w dirta sadushwa maltalia mantla andi be kowa in nan awege forhodit inalazimagri wara ebni walim haget wa is hinifnosilil daharfay nbereh ni na wasu flaq dmberahana sahimishwaisu taben wa tain fyum haget saba, b shahanuni alkotayan, fa' dirt amalba k me it haget wana mish name kwais. Okay. Fa it does work. Like in in na nahasan farah, femish eyes amal hager. F Saitha went a bit uh sak, it feels okay, I wanna touch it. Betewa alkool mache kill mahtafitchul sarah.

SPEAKER_00 50:33

Halwina we sawindu ehawa al mahza, ilhadaf.