Porn, Parenting, and Honest Conversations

What happens when a youth mentality expert admits he struggled with pornography from age 11? Even harder - what happens when his father hears this revelation for the first time?

The uncomfortable truth is that many young people turn to pornography not just for stimulation but for education. With parents often avoiding frank discussions about sexuality, curious adolescents seek information elsewhere, often landing on content that distorts their understanding of healthy relationships.

In this remarkably candid episode, we navigate the distinction between addiction and obsession as we examine my initial self-diagnosis. My father gently challenges the addiction label, noting that true addiction severely disrupts daily functioning in ways my experience didn't reflect. This conversation reveals how even mental health advocates can misunderstand their own experiences.

We explore the digital landscape where today's youth encounter pornography - not just through explicit websites but via mainstream social media platforms like Twitter and Reddit. Many parents remain unaware that these everyday apps serve as gateways to content that shapes how young people view sexuality and relationships.

Perhaps most poignantly, we discuss the weight of shame that prevented me from sharing this struggle for over a decade, despite our otherwise close relationship. My father's reflection on learning about this hidden aspect of my adolescence offers valuable perspective for parents wondering what their children might be concealing.

This episode provides actionable guidance for families navigating these waters: establish open dialogue about sexuality, recognize when professional help might be needed, and utilize resources like the Brighton mental wellness app to facilitate difficult conversations.

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Transcript

Returning to the Grind

Speaker 2 0:21

and we back , just like that man , I'm a little tired , but you know what I got ? This man just got through doing a little suicide intervention training today , got day two tomorrow , but hey , I'm good man . I wanted to be here to uh , you know , you know , talk with some peoples about some things real quick man , I think , uh , you are showing what the grind actually looks like today .

Speaker 1 0:48

Uh , it don't stop right and uh , but , but , like we said , we work hard , but we play harder . And we definitely played hard , um , and had some fun . Uh , together we went out for a memorial weekend , went out to houston and , uh , we had a great time . So that was a lot of fun . And then we back , and then we back in reality .

Speaker 2 1:05

Now we out here grinding yes , indeed , yes indeed , that's what we do . That's what we do , so yeah what you got .

Speaker 1 1:10

Yeah , man , I don't want to uh keep the guests waiting , but , man , I gotta do some household , some , some housekeeping things , that cool with you real quick . Hey , knock it out , let's do it . So , yo , whatever , everybody , welcome to the up to it parenting podcast . Man , we are your hosts . Z and jamal , he got j give you he feeling , he feeling cool , he feeling cool . Um , the cool thing about our podcast man is we're super interactive . We want to hear from you and I don't know if you know this pot , but , uh , since we are hosted through bud sprouts , we get a free uh number that people can text and we get their , their , their messages . So if they want advice or they want to hear a certain topic , man , all you got to do is call us or text us . Sorry , don't call us , don't call this number . Text us at 904-867-4466 . Again , that is 904-867-4466 .

Speaker 1 2:01

For those that are not watching but are listening wherever you listen to your podcast maybe it's Apple or Spotify or podcasting net whatever you're listening to , wherever you're listening , you can text us again at nine . Oh , four , eight , six , seven . Four , four , six , six , eight , six , seven . Yeah , I feel like a radio host man , um , but pop yo , yeah , you said let's let's talk about it , and I want to give people some background because we just dropped some people .

Speaker 1 2:33

I call it maybe the most personal podcast I've ever dropped in my life and it's out there on the internet for everybody to listen to and consume on the internet for everybody to listen to and consume , and I was really nervous talking about this topic and bringing it to light for our viewers and people that are listening and for even those that are not our viewers , that are just scrolling and hear this see this black dude black sticking dude coming on their screen talking about you know , pornography .

Speaker 1 3:02

And before we get into it any further , we just want to advise people that are listening that this is going to be an explicit episode I'll say a more direct episode about pornography . So if you're not in the mindset yet to talk about that or you don't know where you stand with that , I encourage you to stay and listen . But if you're not ready , man , we're not going to force you to do anything that you don't want to hear . So this is your time to turn off the the podcast and maybe rejoin us in future episodes . Um pop , you got anything to add to that before I can make sense ?

Speaker 2 3:36

yep , just a warning . Just a warning , for sure .

Speaker 1 3:39

So we posted . I posted this thing about pornography and how I believed I was addicted to pornography , starting at 11 years old . And you know , pop , doing what pop does best checks in on me , right . That's what you do , man , and you always made it . You and mom always made it a point to check in when certain things have dropped , or just checking on me , even in my adult life now , and we had a real conversation yesterday and I think you gave me some enlightenment and I think maybe I made a mistake with trying to , like a lot of young people do diagnose themselves , right .

Speaker 1 4:18

I think we hear a lot of youth and people today try to diagnose themselves with certain things , but out going through the direct process and procedures

Warning About Explicit Content

Speaker 1 4:27

. So I want to share with you , I want you to share with the viewers what was your take . And for those that haven't listened to that podcast , go ahead and stop this one . This is the other one that's dropped . Before this one , I would recommend fast forwarding to the 60 minute mark and that's where we really get into it . But now that you're back , pop , tell me what you thought of the podcast .

Speaker 2 4:47

I don't know if you listen to the whole series , the whole podcast episode or that , just that one clip , but I didn't get an opportunity to listen to the whole thing , I did saw what dropped and was like , hmm , that's interesting because through the years you and I had talked about that topic at least twice , two to three times and , knowing that you were curious , you know , at that young age I remember there was a time when we had a late night conversation in the living room because you came out a little puzzled and wondering like , hey , am I gay because I like this or I don't like that , or I want this or don't want that ? And I had assumed that maybe you had bumped into some um and or went looking for pornography Um , and so we ended up talking about it at that time . And then , uh , another time was about a couple of years ago . Again , we were just talking about , uh , pornography and you reminded me about that conversation . I totally forgot about it , to be honest .

Speaker 2 5:48

But one of the things when you dropped the podcast was I had to ask the question because you used the word addiction and I was like , hmm , you know , when we talk about addiction addiction , really , you know , when we talk about addiction addiction , really , you have to be careful in self-diagnosing yourself with certain things , because there's definitions for certain things , especially like addiction , and so what I shared with you was I don't know if it was an addiction , but it was definitely maybe an obsession and one of the main key things with addiction . When you use that word and you know others can challenge me on this , but you know it's known that you know there has to be some type of negative impact from your use and it normally deals with it interfering with your work , your school , your relationships , your personal goals and you're not getting things done . So if we were to use an example of drugs , when somebody is addicted , they do anything and everything they can do to get that substance . I mean they'll rob , steal , cheat , fight , almost even possibly kill , not all the time . Not all the time , but because they're trying to get that fix . So they'll disregard any responsibilities that they have and I mean it is the prime thing that they have to do , the first thing they do when they wake up in the morning and the last thing they have to do before they go to sleep at night .

Speaker 2 7:28

And so when I heard you talking about it , I was like I don't know if you were addicted , because if you were addicted , I know I would have probably picked up on it taking care of your business , not getting up in the morning and going to school , not wanting to hang out with your friends , not participating in you know , the clubs that you were in , and so you were handling your business . But I think that's why I wanted to check in on it with you was to see if this was the better

Addiction vs. Obsession

Speaker 2 8:02

word was , you were obsessed and have been upset with it , in that there may be some curiosity there . Um , that keeps you engaged . Uh , it kept you engaged . Um , and you know , when we talk about pornography , it can definitely lead to addiction . I mean , we talk about a gambler . That's the exact same thing that you know what I just shared with you as far as negating responsibilities and things , um , you know , there's a gentleman who , with you , as far as negating responsibilities and things , you know , there's a gentleman who talked about gambling . I think you had met him , z . Yeah , he's a real , real good guy and talks about his addiction with gambling and how I mean he was selling some of his parents .

Speaker 2 8:40

You know stuff , and , and we think about pornography and I guess , I guess , I guess I should say that I'm not saying that any 10-year-old or 12-year-old under the age of 18 should be engaged in pornography , but we like to keep it 100 all the time is that it is a place , unfortunately , that some young people go to use as a tool to learn from , and the danger with that , as many of you may know or not , is that it is a fantasy to a certain degree , how that pornography plays out really in life , and so for a young person to be engaging in that content and thinking that that's how it's going to be or it should be is dangerous for multiple reasons . One is that individual's self-esteem , because when you look at pornography , there's a lot of things that are happening that you , then an individual watching the content , believes that you should be acting in that way or be able to have and do what they're doing . But you have to keep in mind that one these are from a male standpoint or view or lens is that you know these people get selected because maybe they're , you know , a little bit more endowed than others , or they're good on the camera or whatever , and they're not the average per se . Now can you find that content of average men doing this at any other ? Yes , I mean , if you drill deep enough you can find that . But then , when you talk about sustaining in the bedroom , you have to recognize that a lot of these actors are . They are sometimes taking stimulants of some sort , uh , to have an erection that lasts longer . Um , they are also taking multiple cuts , um , where they do a scene , pause , get fluffed up or whatever , and then , um , you know , go back to the cut and things of that nature and things of that nature .

Speaker 2 11:05

So there's a lot of things that are happening that if a young man is looking at that , saying , dang , I need to be like that , or I got it , or dang , I'm not , I'm not that size , or , and then it can begin to mess with your mental a lot , and so you have to be extremely careful with that . And I think the other part of it is how that then moves into relationships , those , um , that content that is seen by individuals then assume that that's how , uh , women and or men , because there are some content that you know , vice versa , how women treat men and things of that nature , that that's how it is naturally , or , um , uh , all the time , or that's what people want . And now again , keeping it 100 , yes , there are some people who engage in those activities and like it that way , but it is not the majority . When you listen to those that have that have degrees in , you know studying , you know sex and marriage and things of that nature , and so you have to be really careful when engaging in this particular you know content . It is definitely something that is intriguing . It is easy to get to something that is intriguing . Um , it is easy to get to . Um .

Speaker 2 12:28

I think one of the things your mom and I had talked about was um , and especially after you and I read the um anxious generation . Um is maybe have had maybe having more restrictions on um , the laptop we did not knowing what we didn't know , because it's kind of new to us , and having kids and not knowing how deep one could get into certain content , because there's supposed to be age rails and being able to get into that content . But we know it's very easy , right , um ? So I think um , when looking at it , yes , it can be damaging Um , but I think you know from the days of time , um , sex has always been something that's there . Of time , sex has always been something that's there and it's one of the things that we do talk with I talk with some parents about is . Not only is it important to talk to your young person about sex , drugs and rock and roll early , but it's also important not to be scared of it , and we've had multiple conversations .

Speaker 2 13:44

I think where in listening to your clip is again that curiosity and that wanting to continue to know more or maybe learn some , possibly even learn some techniques . People want to learn from there . Like , oh man , you know how to , because the other thing is right in music videos and music itself , and you hear that I should be this or I should do that or I should last this long , and you're like , okay , well , how do I do that ? And you end up watching this content to be like , okay , oh , that's how you do it . And well , not necessarily because again , they're doing cuts as clips and things of that nature .

Speaker 2 14:22

So I think , just being careful with um , understanding the definition between obsession and addiction , um , and if it's beginning to interfere with your day-to-day life , uh , you need to take a . Take a look at that . Now , even with the obsession , it's just similar to um somebody

Pornography's Fantasy vs. Reality

Speaker 2 14:42

playing Xbox or PlayStation . You know , 24 , seven , they may not be addicted , um , but that obsession can definitely get in the way of um . You know , maybe their relationships with their parents because they're not going out to dinner or family events , and so you definitely it's a fine line , but I think you have to be mindful and parents need to be talking with their , their youth , about it . I wasn't aware that you were continuing to watch that , but again and then you have to ask yourself at what point in time ? How is it affecting me ? Is it making me a better person ? Is it making me better in my relationship ? Because , to be honest , there are couples that engage in watching that together and feel like that's good for them in their relationship and it works for them .

Speaker 2 15:33

But then there's others that are like I don't want you watching that stuff . You think I'm like her and you want me to do everything that they're doing and I ain't doing none of that stuff . And then you're like what you should be doing ? It like this , this , that and the other .

Speaker 1 15:47

And it's like what's going ?

Speaker 2 15:48

on . So then it causes tension , right , and then that's where you have to have the conversation between yourself and your significant other girlfriend , fiance , wife or whoever it may be and say , hey , this is how I'm looking at it . If it is impacting us negatively , then maybe I need to take a look at this and do I really need it ? Do I really want it ? And if I really need it , then , yeah , what do I do about that ?

Speaker 2 16:17

Um , and that's maybe talking to a , uh , a counselor , therapist , um , and and and digging more into it , because one of the things , um and I feel like I'm on a soapbox right now , but is is that you know , when people are engaging in it frequently and often , or maybe even obsessed or addicted , there's something that might be missing in their life , that they need , that that's filling a void of some sort . Again , this is on the spectrum of excessiveness or obsession and or addiction . Right , there may be something that they're feeling . Other people might just be using it strictly for pure entertainment , you know , and not watching four hours of it , or you know six and every day , and they're just like oh .

Speaker 2 17:05

I like to do it on a weekend , but that's something that I think an individual needs to decide for themselves , but as a person that's under age , under 18 , parents need to be having the conversation with them about it , and so that's where I kind of stand . I know that I've had calls from parents , because the other piece of it I think you and I touched on this yesterday was what type of content are you watching within that streaming service ? You know there's things that are going on with animals . Yeah , there are things that are kind of degrading and that may work for a minority of people out there , for a minority of people out there , but for you to take an individual to take that on and then apply it as if , though , it's the norm can definitely get them in trouble . I think that you just have to be extremely careful .

Speaker 2 18:05

But here's the other thing , too , that's interesting to me . I've always said this , and I don't . I think it definitely parents don't talk with their kids as they're coming up about sex . We did , but there still might've been more curiosity , which makes sense to a certain degree , but they want to know how to do things , and it's hard to talk to their parents about it . So where do I go ? And then sometimes they go to their friends , but their friends only know what they know . Um , you know , and it's dangerous because they don't , they're not getting the real information and it's embarrassing for parents to talk about sex .

Speaker 2 18:50

But here's the thing that I was going to say earlier . Sorry Is that , you know , a lot of times I think a little bit weird , but you know , I've been in the mall , sometimes back in the day , when malls were a hidden thing and I was , you know , doing my counseling , therapy work , stuff , and I'm sitting and I'm looking around and I just had this weird thought , like man , there's all these people in here with kids and the majority of these people in here have sex . But you know what ? We don't talk about it . It's taboo . So how are young people supposed to learn when they're curious if nobody's going to talk to them about it ? Where are they supposed to get the information from ? So they go to their friends , who don't know anything , because they're just as old as they are and wondering about wet dreams . And you know why do I have an ?

Speaker 2 19:44

erection when I'm walking in front of the class at freaking 11 o'clock in the morning like I'm not even thinking about anything , right ? Or you know the development of women and how that's happening in class and you're like , ooh , why do I like that and what ? Why don't I not like who do they talk to about ? It's just like this thing that we leave to young people to guess , right Cause parents just don't talk about it , and so I think it's something that we do need to talk about . I do think it's something that definitely one needs to take a look at and say like you did , and say , okay , is this more than what it was when I started , or is it becoming something that is out of hand ? Um , am I bored ? I don't know what to do at night now .

Speaker 2 20:37

Um , oh , let me , let me just hit this uh website real quick , right instead of playing instead of playing playstation or reading a book or going on a walk or playing a game or talking to your homeboys or whatever . So that's one of the things that I wanted to just talk about being careful with self-identifying . If it is something that needs to be , even if it is an obsession , one may need to work on it .

Speaker 1 21:03

Right .

Speaker 2 21:05

And if it is definitely an addiction , then it's something that you definitely want to work on also , and being young and being obsessed with that is something that definitely needs to be looked at because it can damage your um , your uh self-esteem and it can also damage the opportunity for relationships with with uh , with other people . I agree .

Speaker 1 21:28

I think there's um

Hiding the Obsession

Speaker 1 21:30

as uh you were speaking , we were definitely keeping it like in broader terms and universal right for parents to understand this and for youth who may be listening to this with their parents , which is awesome . I applaud you guys for sitting through an awkward conversations . I have many of them with my pops in the car and we're playing . This stuff is not easy to talk about and , man , I I've kept this obsession to myself for a while , man , I mean over a decade . You hear it in the previous podcast , but , Pop , when you listen to that and knowing the relationship that me and you have and that I hid this from you for as long as I did and not feel comfortable enough to talk about it , how did that make you feel as a parent , as somebody who I look up to Like , how did that make you feel ?

Speaker 2 22:20

I think it made me feel what's the word ? That that was unfortunate , that you couldn't share that aspect when we shared so many different things . But I then also know that you know , we're still human beings and concerned about judgment and feeling ashamed about it , and so I understand that piece . But I think , yeah , as a parent who we have an open relationship , I mean I also know that that that that that that happens , as much as our relationship is strong , in my opinion , there's still things that are going to be hard to come and talk to . Your'm still your dad , but we become more friends and I'm an advisor , more so than you know , the one needing to , um , you know , raise you still to a certain degree . Um , you know , I mean cause you're .

Speaker 2 23:19

You're an adult , you get to make your own choices and your own decisions , um , so it's a little little like , hmm , why couldn't you share this one , right ? Um , after all that we've been through ? Um , but I get it . I also get it , um , even with my dad , who I thought we were pretty close , um , just certain things , you know , you're just like , yeah , and that's why I say , and we've said , you gotta also have that other caring adult in your your life and or best friends , um , who you can talk to this stuff with about , because I mean I can't , I can't be , I can't be your all and my best friends can't be my all , and so you need sometimes these different groups of folks in your life , especially as young people , caring adults who , if you don't feel comfortable going to your parents , you can go to this person and learn . And again , I think part of the reason of and tell me if I'm wrong is and you're not sharing is I mean , it's a heavy topic and it's a little bit taboo because it's well , wait a minute . I know he thinks that that's probably dirty and I don't want it thinking that I'm dirty and you know . So all those things go through a person's mind when they're dealing with , you know , trying to make a decision and how it might be impacting others , but so I was a little disappointed that it couldn't have been brought to light , um .

Speaker 2 24:51

But then there's some things you just got to go through yourself , and I think that's even with when we talk about mental health , right . There's some things that you know I'm not going to be able to help with everything , and so there's some things you got to do on your own um and and learn from it . And I'm going to be there , like I am now , to say , hey , you know , let's , let's figure it out . I got your back . And when I say figure it out , if it's something you got to work on you got to work on , all right , if you choose to , if it starts getting in the way of your productivity and you being an upstanding person in our , in our world and society , then I'm definitely going to intervene at some point . But that's not the case in this particular situation . But that's kind of where I was with it . So it was heavy on my mind and then I did question myself to say , hey , did .

Speaker 2 25:43

I miss something ? Was there something like ? And again , that's why I said I think it's more of an obsession and something to do right , because you have a strong relationship with your fiancee , you have a strong relationship with your boys . You never were dissing them or didn't want to hang . I think I said at the beginning of the right but so , but that's , that's what I felt . So , yeah , thanks for asking .

Speaker 1 26:15

And no , I think that that's helpful for parents to understand too , right , and , I think , reinforcing the idea of having another trusted care and adult in that person's life and you can't be everything to everybody , right . I think that's so important to definitely reiterate during this podcast episode and just to be fully transparent with you . I think the reason why you got it right , the reason why I didn't share it with you beforehand or even while I was going through what I was going through , was because I was afraid of the judgment and how it might look . Because , man , I'm doing positive work , right , like there's no way that this dude who knows all the signs and symptoms of addiction or , uh , somebody who's having trouble , is not able to identify the signs and symptoms within himself , to realize that he's using , uh , this medium pornography as a crutch to lean on Right . Or I like to say it was more of a coping skill , man . It was one of the things that I used when I was stressed , when I was overwhelmed , when I was bored . This was something that made me feel good in that moment where I needed the time , where I needed something to make me feel good , and that wasn't basketball , that wasn't hanging out with other people . That wasn't what else did I like to do ? Drawing or painting ? This was something else that gave me a huge dopamine rush that I loved the feeling of and it wasn't only just pornography , right , it was masturbation as well . I mean , let's just keep it 100 . I wasn't just watching it , just to watch it , like I was doing stuff to it And- . That feeling is was the feeling that I kept craving over and over again . When I first time I've ever did it , it was like Whoa , I want that feeling every day . Like , if I don't get that feeling naturally , like naturally through something healthier or productive , why can ?

Speaker 1 28:11

I can always hit up this website or I can always go to this account on Twitter and may or Reddit , and I want to just talk to the adults and I want you to chime in on that . But I want to go to this account on Twitter or Reddit and I want to just talk to the adults and I want you to chime in on that . But I want to talk to the adults and let you know that sometimes your youth are using social media as a gateway to pornography , and that's the truth . There should be no reason why a 12-year-old , 10-year-old has a Twitter or what is now known as X account , because they know what goes on on those accounts . These are where

Social Media as Gateway

Speaker 1 28:38

porn stars are releasing free footage for them to consume and to watch , and then you have to subscribe to their only fans . Or Reddit is another one where people are leaking these only fans accounts for people to interact with , to , to watch , to , to consume .

Speaker 1 28:57

So I like how you brought this up , dad , today , where you talked about maybe me and mom didn't know the extent of the accessibility of where it was at . You know , because you didn't know what you didn't know at that time . But now we do know about what we know . And I want parents to really and I had a conversation yesterday about this with somebody but check your kid's phone , man , check your child's phone to make sure that they're not being consumed by this kind of content . I agree that I think when you become like we should treat it like any other legal substance on this earth , right ?

Speaker 1 29:32

Drugs and alcohol , or drugs and marijuana , or alcohol and marijuana just delay , just wait . Yeah , they're going to be interested . Yeah , but that's up to you to have that conversation and you should be empowered to have that conversation after listening to this podcast to talk about it . It's going to be awkward , it's going to be weird , it's going to be uncomfortable , but it's better now than later . Right , it's better now than later . So I wanted to give you back to you about just everything in summary , about what we just shared than later , right , it's better now than later .

Speaker 2 30:02

So I wanted to give you , pass back , mike , back to you about just everything in summary , about what we just shared . No , I think that was a good summary . It's just about recognizing that the tools that are out there and again , a great book to read is Anxious Generation , it really gets into it and realizing that there is content that is out there that's easy to tap into and just pay attention to how it may or may not be impacting your young person from anything from politics , sex , drugs , rock and roll , wars that are happening . I mean , our youth have access to so many positive things , but things also that maybe they're not ready to process yet and the Internet and social media brings it to them quicker than they may be ready to handle , and so if they are going to consume that information , then they need somebody to process that with , and it's probably better for them to process it with somebody who's had some time on this earth and experience and knowledge and wisdom than with their friend who is just going through the exact same things . Yeah , so I think that's what I would say .

Speaker 2 31:25

I think it's a great topic . I think families need to decide and talk what's okay for them in their family and what's not , and that's not for me to decide for somebody's household . Um , um , you know , some people may want to ban it altogether , but , um , again , that's another discussion to be had . Um , and so I would say , uh , yeah , be mindful , um , try to be supportive , um , when you can , with anything that your young people are going through , and try to have open dialogue and , yeah , be there for them .

Speaker 1 32:07

I love it , man . That's a great way to end it and I don't want to add anything more to it . But I will say lastly , before we wrap up , a great app for people to use man , if you're struggling with your mental health , whether you don't know how to talk about it , and it's like , kind of man , I don't know where to get this out . I don't know what to do . I don't want to write it on pen and paper because I don't want it to get lost and all that stuff . Man , we have a great resource for you . The app is called Brighton . For those of you that are partnered with Brighton , that's B-R-I-G-H-T-N . It's a great app , mental wellness tool that you can use you as a parent and you as a youth you can use together to also have a connection and talk about each other's entries or what your check-in was like today and how you're feeling , and have just a conversation around that . It's a great conversation starter . It's a great way to keep your family close together and having these tough conversations so that you can have strong connections . Again , if you wanted that app , you can download it today at the App Store . It's called Brighton B-R-I-G-H-T-N .

Speaker 1 33:10

And lastly , as we get up out of here . Man , I just want to say y'all showed a lot of love , man , I was super nervous dropping that podcast . Y'all showed a lot of love , man , I was super nervous dropping that podcast , definitely again , one of my most vulnerable things I've ever dropped for the internet and the world to see . And , man , the words of encouragement that I've been getting has been amazing and I want to let you know again I made a mistake . It wasn't an addiction , it was definitely an obsession , and I want you to take my mistake and learn from it and let you know that you don't have to self-diagnose everything you're going through and the fact that you probably should see a trusted professional when you're talking about topics like this . And that was a mistake that I made . Thank God , my dad caught it and was like hey , man , I just want to check in real quick because it helps me . Now it's like I don't know if it feels less like a burden or if it feels I don't know what it feels like , but it feels a little bit less heavy . I think I feel like in my head and my mind . But say that to say , man , thank you for your words and encouragement .

Speaker 1 34:06

Man , if you've been listening to the podcast and you're like , man , I love these guys . I just don't have Instagram or I don't have Facebook , man , but you have text messaging . You can always text us your thoughts , your opinions , leave comments down about the podcast and you can text us again . Our number is 904-867-4466 . Again , for those listening , that number is 904-867-4466 . And we would love to be able to help you out and give you some advice , or we would love just to pop you up your text message and give you some love , man , for just watching and sticking with us . Dad , I did some research today and I think this is going to be our 65th episode of the Up to it Parenting Podcast . Man , so we're almost at that 100 mark . I don't know Me and you got to strategize when we hit 100 , what we're going to do . Should we give away something for the people that were there from the beginning ? Should we have a big live party thing that we could do with karaoke ? I don't know , man , that's me , and you that we can talk about .

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But with that being said , man , again , we love each and every one of you . Thank you for tapping in and showing your love and hanging out with us for the last 35 minutes we're going to get out of here . We hope that you have a great rest of your day , yeah .

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Peace .