Meet the Makers #7 - The Battle of Printing Technologies: FDM vs Resin -with The Print House Podcast

Welcome to Episode 7 of Meet the Makers! In this exciting installment, we have special guests Rob and Raul, hosts of The Print House Podcast, a popular show dedicated to all things 3D printing. Join us as we delve into fascinating topics such as the differences, pros, and cons between FDM and resin printers, exploring the world of miniature painting with an airbrush, and of course, the age-old question of Marvel vs. DC.

During this episode, Rob and Raul will provide valuable insights into the world of 3D printing, discussing the nuances and benefits of FDM and resin printers. They will share their experiences, tips, and recommendations for those looking to venture into the realm of 3D printing.

Additionally, our guests will shed light on the art of miniature painting using an airbrush, revealing techniques to bring depth and life to these tiny works of art. Whether you're a seasoned miniature painter or a novice looking to get started, this discussion is sure to inspire and inform.

And finally, we'll dive into the ultimate geek debate: Marvel or DC? Rob and Raul will share their personal preferences, discuss the strengths and weaknesses of each comic book universe, and engage in a friendly conversation about the characters, storylines, and fan communities.

So, if you're passionate about 3D printing, intrigued by the art of airbrushing miniatures, or love to weigh in on the Marvel vs. DC debate, don't miss Meet the Makers #7 - The Battle of Printing Technologies: FDM vs Resin -with The Print House Podcast
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Chapters 
Intro - 0:00 
Resin Vs. FDM 3D printers - 3::04 
Best Resin Printer for Beginners - 8:59 
Which is faster Resin Vs. FDM 3D printers -  11:01 
How to paint 3D prints - 14:57 
Blender Donut Tutorial -  19:05 
How to run Octoprint on an Orange Pi - 21:31 
Selling 3D prints on Etsy - 25:46 
Starting a Podcast - 29:44 
Marvel Vs. DC - 37:29 
Outro - 43:39

Transcript

Hey everybody. Welcome back to the Meet the Makers podcast today. I am super excited to be joined by Rob and Raw from, another podcast that you guys may not know about if you haven't seen it recently, they are on the print House podcast,so excited to have you guys on here. how did you guys get linked up and can you just tell us a little bit more about how you guys got started with the podcast yourself?
Oh, we gotta tell our love story. All right. Rob, you wanna, you want to take this one man? I can, yeah. I was,I found him on, Instagram, no, TikTok? It was on TikTok. Yeah. was TikTok. I started 3D printing, just, I downloaded TikTok and was like, what? I guess I'll check up 3D scene on there.
And, yeah, we. I asked him where he got his models from. It was Love at [00:01:00] for sight and then just,stayed in touch, started, feeding off of each other. Info, like back and forth, where'd you get this model from? things like that. And, The next thing you know, we've got our own podcast started and then we stumble onto yours and here we are.
Yeah, it's it's fun timing I think, cuz you guys just recently got started with your podcast as well over the last couple weeks, didn't you? Yep. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Okay, cool. yeah, no, it's awesome hearing another person in the space staring a podcast now for both of you, have you guys been into 3D printing for a while now? You kinda had your love story meeting on TikTok, but has this been a long time hobby for you? Or how, how'd you guys kinda get started into 3D printing in general? I mean for myself.
I'll jump on this one first, Rob. for my, this is gonna be fun with us, like going back and forth, but,for me it was actually November of this last year. primarily I'm a real estate agent and the market took a hit after, summertime. So I found a little more extra time and.
I like, for those watching behind me, I'm a big Superman guy. so anytime I'd see 

something Superman in the [00:02:00] store, I'd have to buy it. eventually I started like looking okay, I looked on Etsy, dangerous place. but I looked on Etsy and found a bunch of statues and I was like, wait, somebody's making these, I had ordered one for $120. 
I love it to death, but I decided that I didn't wanna spend $120 when I could do it myself for much cheap, I thought much cheaper at the time. $500 printer later. but yeah, no, so honestly since November for me, Rob,so I got my first 3D printer in December. I've been really looking into it.
when I jump into something, I like to do a lot of research before I just. I don't know, jump into something, and spend a lot of money. so I did a lot of research for about a year or so, and, we were searching on Amazon and 3D printers were like 50% off. And I was like,let's get one.
And we just got a little itty bitty resin one. And, Yeah, I now have, I have six now. Oh shit. Dang. I have three FDM printers and then I have three, resin printers, so that's cool.[00:03:00] It seems like.
Most people who get 3D printers, you're either like one of the people who you use it for a couple weeks and then you never touch it again. Or sounds to be the case of all of us here. You end up with multiple 3D printers over the course of a couple months 
Oh yeah. yeah. Now you guys are both, I think you're pretty heavy on the resin side. Correct me if I'm wrong, you guys are more so mostly do resin printing. Yeah. I'm getting more into FTM printing, like way more into FDM printing. I actually got the big COBRA Max, a couple weeks ago.
I'm gonna be doing a lot more cosplay, helmets, stuff like that. so that's why I got dap. but going from just mainly resin printing, making models like. The Thanos, and doing that into full play cosplay. The helmets is yeah, it's, the settings are different.
Everything's different. It's a whole new world. Yeah. for me it was only resin printing until, I think I got the FDM like a month and a half ago. Okay. and so my, we were talking about this on the [00:04:00] last episode of ours is that, now my resin printers sat there for the last month. so it's interesting,you go from one dynamic to the other.

it's definitely a whole new world. Like I've almost thrown my machine, against the wall a couple times, cuz. some of it, some of it I've definitely had to be talked down from, the edge of destroying everything. But it's a lot of fun. Yeah, I'm a hundred percent FDM right now. 
and I've always wanted to get into resin. There's a few things like the fumes scare me. I'm also a messy person, I think, I'd probably end up with resin all over my entire house if I got into it, but it always interests me. I don't know if one of you want to, take this question over the other, but for maybe people who are newer to 3D printing, can you talk through like the high level difference of resin versus FDM and maybe why somebody would get into one versus the other?
Ease of use. Ease of use. Take it. Resin printer. Okay. so resin printing sounds like it's a lot harder. But when you only have to worry about one axis Versus [00:05:00] the z y,the z y X axis, when you only have to tune a lightboard versus a bed, a hot end, the extruder, how far it's going back and forth, when you got to, so resin printing is by far, hands down, so much easier.
But like you said, I'm a very clumsy, ADHD person. they're, I leave crap all around and then I wonder why, oh, I spilled the whole bottle of ink that was open. Why was it open? But yeah, so it is messier. so if you are clumsy, just take a little more precautions. I was late, luckily able to open like a little shop over in my house to do it.
I don't really have to worry about the fumes or whatnot. Interesting. now it seems like what's a pretty common setup for most people who do resin is usually they have it in like a garage or, maybe some kinda like outdoor well-ventilated space. Ra, I know that you're in Arizona like me and it gets super fucking hot here in the summer.
As the season's changed, do you have to stop printing [00:06:00] during different weather or how does that whole situation work? So you're gonna hate Rob's answer for multiple reasons, because both everything he has is in one room and he even has a temperature and there he goes.
Temperature, humidity, right? My setup for my resin is in the garage, which very recently, during wintertime, I had a space heater in there, kept at about 76 degrees. Now that is starting to get warmer here. My resin has become a lot more Yeah. viscous. Like it's a lot, thinner.

And I'm like, oh no, what do I have to do now? there's things that, for example, Rob might not have to deal with it. if somebody's in, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, things like that, they're gonna have to deal with temperature, heat, humidity,if you can do it in a controlled climate, like Rob has set up ideal. 
But like for me, the fumes honestly, Aren't that bad? depends on the residue you use, but a lot of the water soluble ones Stink. Yeah. Like those are bad. but for example, the abs like that I use, [00:07:00] it doesn't really have a fume. the Saturn two has a little, Air filter inside of it.
And to be honest, I, since I've been using that resin, I don't smell it. Maybe I'm just used to it. I don't know. but yeah, it's, resins beautiful because you get a lot more detail. and ease of use, like Rob said. but like fdm even. Temperature there can affect it. Like having recently kicking on the air conditioning in my house versus, like having to go from heater to air conditioning.
All of a sudden I had to calculate for the fact that even the FDM is temperamental cuz now it takes a little longer to heat up or whatever. So yeah, there's all sorts of tips and tricks depending on where the hell you live. Yeah. what you were seeing about the air conditioning?
That's actually a great point. I was having an issue with one of my printers and all my prints like, I don't know, it was just like nonstop issues and somebody just innocently in the comments was like, oh, do you happen to have an air vent above your printer? And I looked and sure enough it was blowing right directly down to my printer.
So it's funny how just like the smallest little thing can have such a big impact on your printers, luckily my wife and I, we got an [00:08:00] old house,not an old house, but like an older house. It was built in the sixties, so We got floorboard heat, right?
So the ducks are on the floor. Ah, nothing's burning up on the Yeah, we don't know nothing about that. yeah, it's just, it's a, the humidity and filament don't go hand in hand. I found that out the hard way. now that I'm at 34% humidity, Ooh, yeah, I got, I started getting some bubbles.
yeah. So de humidity fire. Probably have to be this summer, but, Yeah. Yeah. Luckily here in Arizona, that's not too much of a problem for us. My, my skin's drying, crusty, but at least my filament is nice and, nice and secure, right? Yeah. All right. There you go. Yeah. People talk about dehydrators for your filament, 

and I'm like, no, just put it outside. 
Yeah. Can't relate. Don't know. don't know anything about dehumidifier. it's interesting hearing you guys say though, that, oh, resin printing is so much easier cuz, again, I only do FDM and I've always been scared of resin printing. But, I guess for somebody who maybe is starting to look into that realm of things, I don't really even know anything about what's on the market.
Is there a [00:09:00] go-to, like starter rein printer and then is there one I know everybody talks about the bamboo labs. Some carbon on the FDM side. It's like the gold standard for hobbyist. Is there an equivalent to that in the resin space? There's a lot out there. so I have two different brands.
I have an NE Cubic, and then I have el LGO, resin printers. so my, any cubic, within the first month broke, any cubic support wouldn't help me, and wanted me to buy parts from them. so I said, screw it. And I just went el anytime I've had a problem with Elbo, they've always set me apart right away.
and I get it pretty, pretty fast, so I can't say nothing bad about them. I would say honestly, elbo and resin printing. and I would add to that, so very first machine we got, at my house was a Mars three. It was great. Until I ordered the Saturn two, which I ordered at the same time, came about a week apart.
Mar three was great, and then all of a sudden Saturn came printed on that thing. Having a bigger build plate, [00:10:00] honestly, for resin is so much better. I can't say enough like good things about the Saturn two. it's the details, phenomenal ease of use. but, I definitely think, If you have the space for it, Saturn two is probably the best starter because I hear so many people in, any type of forums or groups talk about how they wish they could print more.
and you just, when you go small, you end up, ah, I should have thought bigger. Yeah, for sure. I got that little small, any cubic one and I was printing out miniatures and I'm like, man, I really wanna print out like really big things. And then I got, I didn't just get one Saturn two, I got two of them.
and yeah, like for I think what for like almost a month straight, I was just nonstop. I went through, I'm pretty sure I went through easily 25 kilos of resin a month. Wow. Oh yeah. Yeah, for sure. Now 25 kilos of resin, what does that translate into an like approximately, like for roles, would you say?

so yeah. So basically like 25 roles of element Okay. Is what I went through. Okay. [00:11:00] Wow. that's a lot. Yeah, I was just nonstop, going to town. And I still have stuff I need to paint. Yeah, no. Something interesting that I just saw in a video and I actually didn't realize about resin. 
somebody was talking about different speeds of like how, long it takes to print and somebody was asking why you wouldn't filled an entire build plate on like an FDM printer. and the time comparisons there I didn't realize, which makes sense now, that on a resin printer you could in theory fill the entire build plate and it's not gonna take any longer to print.
as long as like the vertical distance isn't. any higher, which that's actually a really cool thing. And another thing that I was like, oh, maybe I should get a resident printer, cuz that's definitely a huge benefit. No, it definitely, that's the thing. I did this print for, an Aquaman statue And the height of it, because I could have printed it in multiple parts. They had a couple different cuts of it. But the torso I wanted pretty much in one piece instead of having to glue the arms less, seems to, conceal when you paint it and everything. But I was frustrated. Cause I'm like, oh, this is gonna take forever.
But that's because you take for granted the fact that I could literally [00:12:00] print two of those torsos as long as they build A foot on the build plate and it takes the same exact time. Versus if I were to do it on fdm, you're doubling your time if you're putting the same exact model next to each other.
and it's just a beautiful thing because the whole bill plate, as long as your bill plate's level, and that's like a, a. Joke with resin printers, it's the first thing anybody says is your bill plate leveled? as long as it's level and your machine's settings are tuned in, you can fill the whole bill plate.
And if it takes an hour and a half, you can have 25, 30 of the, If you're doing miniatures, you can easily have 25 of them Yeah. In an hour. Versus fdm, it's gonna take you 25 hours. See, I had initially screwed up when I got my first FDM printer. I went with two Neptune. S printers, just little small ones, 
And, so coming from the resin side to now, and knowing nothing about FDM printing, I was like, oh, I got all these little parts. I'm just gonna load up the build plate and yeah, let's go. So when I hit this slice button, it told me it was gonna [00:13:00] take four days. And I'm like, wait, what?
Wait a minute there. No. And then I got to realize that, oh yeah, we gotta 

travel. All over. And yeah, so that, that was a big mind blow at first. I can't load my build Play-Doh. With a bunch of nonsense. That's, the biggest thing I wish for anybody getting into or thinking about buying a 3D printer. 
I wish I could convey more is just how long, if you're doing fdm, it can take when you're filling up that build plate. I remember the first day I, I got my printer set up and I loaded something like you said in my slicer, slice it off, and I was like, what do you mean it's gonna take three Ds for this to prince?
yeah, that's, that was definitely shell shocking for me. I think that's the thing is that nobody talks about patience. Patience is key in this hobby business. Whatever you do it for, if you don't have the patience. And that's one thing that I had to work on, especially when I got the fdm, cuz I was used to, loading up the bill plate on the resins and then they're all of a sudden you're like, oh, it's gonna say triple the time.
Fantastic. Oh, I'm the complete [00:14:00] opposite man. I am the most impatient. Person. I'm patient, but not when it comes to printing. let's go hit play. Let's go fast. Let's try to get this done. And, but yeah, I'm just, I'll literally sit here for the last hour and just watch it and be like, all right, come on, hurry up.
got now, let's go. I need to get this off. I need to print something else. Oh yeah. Your, perception of what is a long print, I think changes over time too. Again, like when I first got it, I thought a couple hours, it's oh man, I can't wait for this print to be over. But now I've gotten recently into like multi-day prints and I look back and if I'm running something that's only two hours, I'm like, oh, that's gonna be done no time.
So you definitely, I think it builds your patience. Yeah. you're like, you already got some hope. Three days and then you're doing a two hour and you're like, shit, what do I do now? I only have a couple, I only feel like I have a couple minutes to go and do something. Yeah. yeah. Yeah, no.
coming, you guys touched a little bit on, painting your print, and that was something I thought was really cool when I started looking into the Prince that you guys both do. You guys are like, Full on fucking Oxford painters. Your prints come [00:15:00] out really nice. Do you guys have some kind of background in painting other things or what's the story about you guys painting your models?
so we both do have a background in art. I'm actually a full-time tattoo artist up 

here in Indiana. Oh, okay. so I, I do it on people's skin every day. Okay. But yeah, that's really all the art background I got is I'm a tattoo artist, so it helps when you can blend colors, and whatnot. 
but that's really, an airbrush and some brushes, so I wish I could say that I'm a tattooer. I, okay. a lie. I was a tattoo artist for about five years, back when I was in my early twenties. I'm not gonna date myself, But, I was a tattoo artist for about five years and then I stepped away to get a real job.
art just keeps calling me back. so when I started doing this, I got into painting them and I wish I could say that, if you could see some of the messages between Rob and I, we. Consistently curse in our airbrushes or like bubbling of paint. So I'm happy that they look very well because, they come out beautifully, but [00:16:00] sometimes they can be very frustrating.
Yeah. One of the biggest, comments I get from people, if anytime I do any kind of painting on prints is people saying, they try to paint prints or they look flat, or they,the brush strokes are really intense on them. How do you guys, do you have any recommendations, for somebody who's first.
Getting into painting and maybe supplies or maybe techniques that they should, brush up on. So I'm gonna jump in real quick here. First. First thing, first, fuck everybody's opinion. if they're not doing it, don't matter. but, definitely it's all just really in terms of supplies, obviously. if you're using brushes to paint, don't buy the cheap brushes because they come in a bigger pack, cuz that's a lot of people do.
You don't have to buy top end, high-end brushes. Buy like the, the medium in between, get quality paints. I wish I had one sitting on my desk here, but there's a lot of different types of paints that you like, have level one, level two, and a lot of people go, oh, level one, it's cheaper and you could buy more of it.
But when you're creating, don't be afraid to step up and buy that. Level two. [00:17:00] Level three is not really necessary unless you're planning on like doing something really crazy with it. for the airbrush, for example, don't buy a cheap airbrush. you don't have to buy top of the line either, but don't start out with a cheap one cuz then you just end up frustrated.
And I, I did that, I made that mistake. Airbrushing was new to me and I ended up just throwing it to the side, you went the phone. yeah. I threw the airbrush and I was like, Nope. Nah. So yeah, but that's my opinion. yeah, don't buy 

cheap stuff. what? that's with everything you know. 
you don't wanna buy a cheap 3D printer. You're not gonna buy cheap filament. you're not gonna bite filament. And that's 2 99. I wouldn't, but So you're not, and don't skip on don't buy top of line if you're first starting out. I don't have anything top of the line as, as far as airbrush, pink wise or anything.
I get army paints, Citadel paints, and Vallejo, and that's what I use. I don't even know what my airbrush is. I don't, it was an Amazon. 1 49 99 master airbrush and that was it. yeah, you don't have to, you don't have to [00:18:00] spend four or $500 on an airbrush, if you don't like it, you're only out a hundred.
Yeah. once you get there, yeah. Yeah. Once you get to that point, that's, it's better to upgrade than I bought a airbrush for $47 and it almost put a hole in my wall. do the math is, was it worth the $47 instead of, I just, Bought the next, best thing. But yeah. You know what I mean?
Technique is all practice. I hadn't robbed, does tattoos, during the day. So for him, brush strokes, things like that are a normal thing. I hadn't been, I hadn't painted shit and I wanna say eight, eight years, something like that. So starting this all over again. Relearning techniques.
YouTube is your best friend. there are some modelers that, will post like instructional videos. Go watch them, learn from them. There's a guy I watched that his spa, his things are all in Spanish. I don't know what he's saying. I'm just watching the technique, but it works. yeah, I think, why, just watching other people do things.
That's been one of the biggest things. And I would say it's such a blessing to live in a world where you can go tune [00:19:00] onto the internet and learn literally anything. But,even for, I don't know if either of you dabble in 3D modeling. I've been looking a little bit into that, and it's not even so much, like doing the tutorials, but literally just watching somebody and understanding what's possible with the different tools and stuff like that's been, one of the biggest helps for me.
Yeah. I started to look into three modeling and I'm. I'm not quite there. I made a half a donut and I got mad because, here's the thing, right? if we can just take a rant real quick. like if you're gonna do a tutorial on YouTube and you're gonna put that on YouTube, which, hey, thank you for everybody that does YouTube tutorials.

That's awesome. That's great. Can you provide all the information though? Like, all the steps you take? Like I don't wanna get halfway through your tutorial and my fucking donut look like a lumpy turd. because you didn't put in the step that you did to make all the textures look the right way. 
if you're doing your tutorial, do a tutorial, all the steps in need we put in there. And I think a lot of people are looking for them fast tutorials and everybody's putting out these 10 or 15 minute tutorials on how to [00:20:00] 3D model and it's No, we, you can't learn 3D modeling in 15 minutes.
You, you just can't. You can follow this dude's steps, but I guarantee you, you're not gonna be able to recreate that if you don't watch that video. Yeah. So 3D modeling sucks. Yeah. I also did the donut tutorial, and mine also looks like a piece of shit. So I'm, dude, I'm right there with you. I, dude, I, my wife, she was sitting next to me when I was doing it, and all of a sudden I'm just, I'm cussing up a storm and I'm yelling at this dude and she's what's wrong?
And I'm like, I hope this guy can hear me. I know he is in Australia, but I really hope you can hear me and how much I hate him right now. It's like that sun cost too. It was just getting, it was getting worse and worse the farther that I got into it. But I was like, you know what? I already have Two hours into this.
I can't abandon ship now, so I just kept going. But yeah, it's brutal. And it's pretty shitty too. Yeah. 30 miles I was three hours into a 15 minute video. Like, how is that even possible? Yeah. It's funny though, how,as you level up in things or you become more proficient in it, it almost becomes more difficult [00:21:00] to help other people.
I, had posted a video the other day and I can't remember what it was about. I was like, explained something that I thought, like I had explained really, basically about 3D printers and somebody commented and was like, I'm a beginner. I didn't understand any of that. So I think it's like such a good reality check that, you know, sometimes when you're posting stuff like that, what.
You might think is like simple and broken down. There's so many additional steps in there that for somebody who's truly like brand new to it,it's like really good to explain in depth. no. Yeah, I think that's, that might be part of the misstep that you're talking about, Rob.
Cuz so for example, Rob actually got me onto hooking up the FDM to a orange pie to get Octa print on it and all that. And to me it was, it might as well have 

been Chinese. I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? and for him it was like, yeah, it's easy. And I'm just like, wait man, hold on, I'm getting a headache. 
but I think that's one of those things where it's once you know it, for people that are just in the beginning, I think that, from now I could tell somebody how to do resin print, no problem. [00:22:00] But in the beginning, somebody would say something to me that I understand now, and I'm like, Nope.
They'll get it. Yeah. Funny you mentioned that cuz a lot of people talk about raspberry pies or orange pies. And I remember the first time I got that comment I was like, What does, what do pies have to do with this? I asked him the same thing. I was, an orange pie. I was like, what the fuck is that?
Maybe for, if anybody out there is in that boat and they're wondering why we're talking about dessert right now, can one of you touch on what, like ocre and orange pie? Raspberry pie is Rob, this is all you buddy. Opt print is a plugin, that you can install on a raspberry pie. or we use orange pie because.
you can't get a raspberry pie for under a hundred bucks anymore. so you can get a, an orange pie, which is just a little mini computer. and that controls my printer now. So now I don't have to take a SD card and walk to my printer and plug it in. it's really just a lazy man switch. honestly, if we get down to it, it's just, I can now print from the computer and send everything to the computer.
Through the computer too, to it. [00:23:00] See, but I'm gonna disagree with you there because the one thing that I think is invaluable to me is the fact that you can monitor your prints. Because if you have a failed print, if you're just doing the SD card, you stick it in you, you go off and do your thing and you come back to spaghetti.
You couldn't have done anything and you wasted a bunch of filament. But now I can literally pull up my phone, go, Hey, you know what? It's failing. Cancel. Yeah. still sucks that it failed, but it gives you the ability to monitor in real time. I think that part of it is in like coming from like a real estate mindset of where your time is very valuable, right?
So any time that I can save and any resources I can save, even if it's, 400 millimeters of filament, it's still valuable. So I think that part of it right there is key cuz yes. Lazy man's way of printing. Absolutely. But valuable time saver. Yes, true. Very true. And that and opt pie. and the orange pies, that's how we, 

[00:24:00] or opt print, sorry. 
that's how we, that's how we do, the time lapses of the FTM printers. and whatnot. It's, and it's good for calibration tools too. You could do CEP calibrations. It's what I'm doing now, or what's what I've been doing all day. and then you can do like your p i d auto tunes and stuff like that, straight through Okta print so you don't have to blow the computer.
Plug it into the compute, plug it into the printer and do it like that. yeah, it's a quality of life thing. but when you first get it and you first use it for the first couple weeks, really, honestly, it was just my lazy man switch. Like I just. I was in the other room, I didn't wanna have to go do anything.
I just put drug everything over and just hit print. And I was like, oh, I don't have to look at it in a water. I completely feel you on that. Yeah. I've never used, Octa Prepa. I had the CRE sonic pad on my, printers for a while set up, which if you're not familiar, it's a really similar thing that uses Clipper.
And same thing, you can monitor, you can, upload from your computer. And it was exactly that from me. It sounds so stupid, but just having to go to my computer. Put the SD card in, take it out, go back to my printer. It felt like forever. But, I think it's a similar thing with Octa [00:25:00] Print, where you can like you said, you can monitor, you can do the virtual prints.
I'm not sure if it has the ability to look more into the G-Code or things like that. Kinda clipper does, but it's, it seems like one of those applications that the more you want to do with it, the more flexibility you have, which I think is a really great thing for a lot of people.
Yeah. Yeah. yep. Absolutely. even just the ease of use. so I had a, I was off doing my thing at an appointment and a print failed. My wife was home. I had her pull the print off and I had another print that I needed to print that I already sliced, and it was loaded up in Octo print files, and I started it and I was off at an appointment.
Like they, nobody had any idea what I was doing. And I'm sitting here getting ready to print the next thing. It's a beautiful thing. It's yeah, I'm doing business and doing business at the same time. Yeah. That's cool. Now both of you guys have, utsi shops. How has that kind been going with 3D printing and is that something you guys are newer, to doing or have you done utsi before?

round ticket. So I've never done anything with Etsy,ever. And it has been one of the most challenging things I've ever done in my entire [00:26:00] life. Yeah. right there with you. my wife had nety shop back five or six years ago, but it was my wife's and I didn't have anything to do with it. 
I started one just cause I was like, yeah, I bought one on Netsy. I think other people wanna buy this on Netsy and, it's frustrating. it's easy to set up, like in the, you set it up and it just goes, but. it has its good moments, it has its bad moments. but yeah, you have a Etsy store too as well, right?
yeah, I don't do Etsy for 3D printing. Actually, back in the day, I used to do Etsy for houseplants. I had sold a bunch of houseplants on there, so I don't do that anymore. That, house plants is actually in, that's how I got into 3D printing in general. I had the idea that I was gonna get 3D printers and I was gonna make.
Plant pots to sell at my Etsy store as well, which I never ended up doing, but, yeah, I, I did Etsy and it's definitely something that it takes a while to get acclimated into it. And, like you said, the setup is easy, but you can. Man, you can spend forever trying to optimize things and get traffic and all that stuff.
for you guys, is the podcast, would you consider [00:27:00] that something that you're using as like a tool to help leverage driving traffic to Etsy? Or is it kind of something for you guys that's just like a fun way to hang out and make content together? Little bit of everything. A little bit of everything.
honestly, it's, and I'll just say this, so marketing, obviously, if you want to get people. To follow you or just build a community. obviously a podcast is a great way to do 3D printing's a really cool community as it is. there's a few trolls here and there, but there's not as many as other com like Rob and I were talking about the tattoo community.
It's pretty vicious. we both don't necessarily like the tattoo community cuz not to speak on every artist, but there's a lot of viciousness in backstabbing and tattooing. 3D print printing community seems pretty good. and just being around people that like to do the same thing you do and being able to help or, just feed off of each other.
That's what Rob and I did. That's how we met, is just, Hey man, what are you doing with this? Cuz I'm having trouble with that. Or how do you fix this? and just building that kind of support system for. Hobby slash [00:28:00] business slash whatever it is, Yeah. The 3D printing community. This is, but like anyone 

that I've come on had come on here and talk about this and I mean that even just like getting started with this podcast, it was like overwhelming how many people were like, anything I can do to help you. 
Yes. I'll come on. It was really cool. But, it, 3D printing in general, it's, I say this every time. It's literally the greatest online community I've ever encountered of people and just everybody is so happy to help. Whatever obscure problem you have with your printers, and I truly don't think I would've, gotten as far into 3D printing as I have if it wasn't for everybody online helping me troubleshoot all my prints constantly.
Yeah, I agree. It's, and that's the thing is that I, even though I think, Rob, you said you started in December, right? Yeah. Yeah. I started before him, like a month, and I was coming to him for questions, and I'm like, Hey, how'd you figure this out? And just feeding off of each other.
He pointed me out to a couple Discord channels,and for the most part, whenever I post, in any of the discords, I get a reasonable result. you'll get the occasional guys, you're as, you're gonna bill plate level. Yeah. Dumb ass is level that, that's, that was step one.
It's when the [00:29:00] phone guys tell you, Hey, did you restart your phone? No, I didn't think of that. but no, the community's great, and starting the podcast really to help people and build that community further. Yeah. It's just, it's a lot of fun and the bullshit just hang out and bullshit.
Yeah. And make fun of people like senators that say tac. Yeah. It's, it's definitely been a fun time to just, like I said, come on and talk to different people and, everything that's going on with TAC or TikTok, it's, it's definitely, I think a interesting time to branch out into different platforms and,hopefully everything stays.
Online with TikTok, but I guess we'll see what happens. now for you guys setting up the podcast, I, that's another thing I hear from a lot of people, as I started to talk about it online, was a lot of people wanna get into it, but they aren't really sure how they've never done it.
Did you guys have experience, doing a podcast before and how is the process of getting this all set up for you guys going? I had none. I, and I still don't, the. Rob you, he just jumps off the links. he does it all. so I, [00:30:00] I had a podcast, with my son about a year and a half ago, and we were doing it pretty 

regularly. 
but then life just happened and him and I had to step away from that. So that kind of gave the insight and how to set it up, how to start it. Really, to be honest with you, it's not super difficult. It's just finding the right platforms. we use the same platform, which is Riverside. great platform to use.
Ease of use is there,to get it out to the different, directories or, podcast platforms. I don't know what you'll use, but we use Buzz Sprout and yeah, it's really easy. the biggest thing is having the confidence to put it out there. and I like to tell everybody, Yes. For example, so here we are on another 3D printing podcast, doing a guest spot, right? Which means, oh, there's another podcast about 3D printing. Okay? So there's gonna be people that love your message and what you're saying and how you're saying it, how you come across everybody's individual voice or their approach to something is gonna fit somebody's [00:31:00] needs or their want.
Hey, I'm trading my time to listen to you or watch you. don't be afraid to put yourself out there and, as long as you're providing value. And I think that's a big thing is, anybody can do a podcast or a YouTube channel for, if they want a little bit of their 15 minutes of fame.
but I think that if you're doing it with the intention to provide value and help other people, I think that's where you went. Yeah, absolutely I think, trying to go into it with the mindset of like, where can I provide value?
Where can I Stand out of what already exists is a really important thing. And like you were saying, we both, have a podcast that kind of touches on topics of 3D printing, but I guarantee you our, your podcast versus, what we talk about here, you could leave and it's two completely different worlds and it'll resonate with two completely different people.
So I think that's another big thing. If you're out there and, maybe your thing isn't 3D printing, but if it's shoes or. if it's plants or whatever your thing is, don't be afraid if you see somebody else doing it. or there being other people who are already in that space to have your own unique voice.
Cuz I think there's always gonna be something that you bring that's a little [00:32:00] different to the table that people resonate with. Wait, you guys Exactly. And you guys aren't in, you guys aren't in this for the money. Wait, what? Hold on. Cut the cameras. Cut the cameras. That's actually completely 

why we're in it. 
I'm in the, I gotta go. so there was a, I don't remember the exact quote, but there was somebody that said something about the voice you have today is the voice that some, 16, 17 year old version of you needed, and there is that version of you out there somewhere that still needs it.
it could be as simple as 3D printing. There's, I know, I forget his name, but there's a kid that I follow on TikTok, for example. He is probably like 13, 14 years old and just posts his stuff on there and I'm like, dude, kid, go do your thing. Like you're in, he's running into issues all this, but he's putting himself out there and He's part of the community.
He might be somebody that's affected by the fact that a simple conversation about yeah, hey, I'm having all these failures, I figured this out. It might help him in his journey and his path. So I think it's just a, [00:33:00] value is the big thing. if you get money for it, great. If not,not so great, Life is life.
Yeah, absolutely. And I like what you said a lot about, you never know who needs to hear what you have to say. And I think that goes back to of, not being afraid to share the good things and the bad things. I think for a lot of people, that's like a big thing I. Find people say as well as, I'll, I post a lot of my print fail.
Like I'm still, I'm not good at printing. I still fuck shit up all the time. And, every time I do though, people will come and they're like, oh my God, I had the same thing happen. Or it's, it's good to see that it's not just me who's having these problems. So I think that's, another thing is not being, like, feeling like you have to wait until you're an expert at something to put yourself out there and get on the internet and talk about it.
yeah. Yeah. We,and I think that's why we started what we did. Because there's a lot of information out there and there's a lot of places to go get that information, but it's hard to find it, Yeah. It's, and it's not that it's being guarded or kept secret, it's just you have to really, this, [00:34:00] this is a, it's not new.
3D printing is not new, but the hobbyist 3D printing is relatively coming into form, three years ago we didn't have 400 by 400 by four 50 machines. we couldn't print up, a whole breast plate of mandalorian armor on one machine, so it's definitely going fast and the faster that it evolves, the more information and the potential of misinformation out there about the reading, printing is 

going to come out. 
So I think that's why we did what we did to, help. Give those, the information out where it needs to be. and we do a lot more setting, stuff. we don't, we're not a fun podcast . But speak for yourself, asshole. We, for the most part,we, we dive deep into settings and what those do and how those are gonna affect your prints and whatnot.
and, then showcase, what we can do on YouTube and whatnot with our prints in the settings that we use. yeah, I think that's, that's another thing that. It's, [00:35:00] it feels like such a need in the space right now. I know, again, for me, when I first was getting into it, there was so many situations and there's just so many things you can tweak with your 3D printers where it would be like one thing that I was trying to focus in on, and like you said, there's not always as much information about it as you would hope out there on the internet.
it's really cool for you guys to be putting that out there and having, just more information for people to be able to go to one centralized space and find that. So that's super cool. Yeah. and I gotta point out one gem that I got from your first episode. so I was listening to the episode.
And when Mr. Alto was talking about how he had to change the dynamic dimensions of the suit, I'm thinking to myself, great. You see all these guys that go to Comic Cons and the suits look like clean, but you don't think about the fact that if your body isn't shaped like the cartoon character, which they design these suits off of, you have to alter that.
And the fact that he addressed that, like that was, to me, that was actually priceless. Cause I'm a big dude, I'm six foot two, like I'm big. for me to even make any type of, cosplay stuff, I like, I [00:36:00] didn't even think about that until he said it, and I'm like, oh yeah. Cause I would never fit my giant ass in a Ironman suit.
Rob on the, he Okay. Hey, I did that. All right. I made a, an Ironman helmet. Okay. And it was, Oh, you too small. It was like full size, and I'm like, I got a little head. I'm only five six, I may, maybe a hundred pounds if that. I'm joking. I'm like 103, but I'm a small guy, right?
so I'm like thinking to myself,I'll just go down to 75% and I'm 75% of a normal dude anyways, so that's your word. Yeah. It won't even fit a small child. Like it might fit a small dog, but yeah, it's way too small, so it's just, I'm just chilling 

over here now. Yeah, I was, I was glad he said that. 
It was one of those things I've never done, like cosplay or I've never built a full suit of anything. But, I never would've thought that until he said it. I was, he, he was like really transparent about it and, yeah. it's just one of those things. it's so many pieces that you never think of until you get into it.
And I probably, if I was going to build myself a helmet, like UB or something like that, I probably just would've built the default [00:37:00] size and not thought about the fact that Hey, my body. Isn't the same size as what these cartoon characters are, meant to be. So yeah, that was a really interesting point that he made there.
Yeah. I love that he pointed that out. I was like, oh, okay. Wait. Yeah. Now,I'm so out of the realm of this. I've, this topic has come up in almost every episode so far. I've never seen a Marvel movie. I've never seen a DC movie. I'm like, I'm so in touch. I know. Yeah, I know. It's shocking to everyone, but, I, I don't have a horse in this game, but it see, That's it's time.
I know. Check it out. Check it out. I don't have a horse in the scene, but it seems like, Rob, you're more so on the Marvel side and while you're on the DC side. Is that, is that correct or am I misunderstanding that Ish. Ish. Yeah. yeah. I'm, I'm a big fan of Star Wars. Actually. Most of my tattoos are all Star Wars related, except for a handful.
and then,I'm a big moral fan and grew up on the comic books, Wolverine, Xmen, stuff like that. so yeah, see, and I am very, so much so dc even though they so more so like Superman,I've had this [00:38:00] debate, right? So Marvel is the ripoff of DC and all the characters, like every character has an origin in dc and Marvel for example, I will give them the props that they need and they deserve.
their first few years of movies like The Ironman, all the way up until end game, phenomenal movies. but after that, it's definitely gone downhill. I am, I don't know if anybody else has, if you guys have heard of it or anything, but the whole restore the Snyder verse movement, that originally had Zach Snyder directing a bunch of DC movies like Manus Steel and all that.
I am definitely a hundred percent behind that. I love the way that he portrayed the character I grew up. so I originally was born in Mexico City and moved here when I was five. Didn't speak English, so I related to that whole, alien kind of 

feel, And so Superman was also dark hair, light-skinned like me. 
And so I connected with Superman really well. and it never left. And so now I'm like, yeah, screwed. Screw Marvel. I don't, their movies are crap now. but in all fairness [00:39:00] are going downhill too. but yeah, I just like their characters more, their originality, the coolest, I will say the coolest, two characters that I like from Marvel are probably Hulk, cuz I related to him when I used to drink tequila, and then Spider-Man, cuz I always wanted to be super skinny and be able to whip around like him, but, Never was gonna happen.
yeah. Interesting is Marvel. Would you say more, like a, I guess it seems more family friendly, whereas DC's maybe a little darker.
Is that, would that be an accurate no. No. so I will say,in. DC is more, they're more, I don't even know how to say it. they tend to go to the boundary more. Okay. They're killing joke is a, is actually a prime example of that. That's actually a rated R graphic novel, comment book.
and that dives into some really dark topics. Whereas the Marvel universe probably would never, ever go that way. however, there is a bunch of killing,[00:40:00] always in Marvel comic books. There's d Yeah. DC goes darker. No, you take a look at You take a look at the difference between X-Men that we grew up in the nineties, right?
so X-Men, the cartoons, very family friendly kids show like cartoon. of course it's superheroes. And I always struggle with the argument that superheroes and violence and all that, people like, what are superheroes supposed to do? Like they're supposed to defend and protect and all this stuff.
So yeah, people are gonna get killed and, whatever. but you have that version of like X-Men and like Wolverine. And then you have Logan, which you know, you really should watch some of these movies. They're just saying, but you have Logan, for example. That movie was phenomenally like done in the aspect that it was realistic.
it put Wolverine into a real life type of like world and real life consequences. spoiler alert, he dies. And it put it into real context where DC for example, like for example, the Sack Snyder's, justice League version, that movie ended up being rated armed [00:41:00] four hours. But it puts your superheroes into context of what would superheroes be like if they were in real life.

And it all depends on the director, the storyteller. DC is definitely willing to go a little bit darker. a lot of their characters do have a no kill rule, but it's easily bent and there's a lot of arguing online about it. but I will always say that DC is definitely 10 times better than Marvel and I will die on that hill. 
I'll, my sword is firmly staked on that hill. yeah. the final question, I'll leave on that note then , is there a top maybe one to three Marvel movies and top one to three DC movies that I should start out with as somebody who's new?
Ooh. What do you think for the Marvel, Rob, what do you give her for Marvel? so I'm, you probably should watch Agents of Shield, which is a Teamy show, which is phenomenal. and then, as far as the movies go though, I would probably say, you need to watch Infinity War Game.
Okay. You gotta watch those two. and then,I would say, Dr. Strange. [00:42:00] Either the multiverse of Madness, yeah. Yeah. Probably the multiverse of Madness. Yeah, that's a good one. I wouldn't have suggested that last one. I actually hated the last one, but I like the first Dr. Strange better. for DC I definitely think it depends.
If you wanna go animated, watch Death of Superman, that one's an animated movie. but if you want to go just straight, like movie movies, And I'm, people are gonna argue with me. You can watch the original Supermans, which Christopher Reeves. But those were great at the time, but those were also made back in the seventies, eighties.
for modern, I would definitely watch Man of Steel, Batman versus Superman. But with that one you have to watch the extended cut, not the theatrical release, cuz they cut out 30 minutes. That's super important. and then don't ever watch. Justice League, with Superman in the red suit or the blue, red and blue suit.
Cuz that version sucks. I would definitely watch Zach Snyder's Justice League. but make sure that you like pause it halfway cuz it's four hours. Oh, jeez. I some it's well worth it sounds like I have a lot of homework then. [00:43:00] I, every time I get off one of these podcasts, I'm like, I need to officially do it so I can have some kind of, background in all of this, but, all right.
Wait, so I have to ask before we jump off then. What type of movies do you watch? I know I'm not a big movie person, honestly. I like the, my only genre of movies that I'd say I'm really like well versed in is, like around 2008, like 

comedies. I didn't feel anything in there. I could quote, know everything. 
Aside from that, I'm not a huge movie person. I don't know. But yeah, it seems to be a big portion of, everyone who 3D print is like, seems to be very into the Marvel DC realm. So something I've been curious about and that's why we get into all the printing of parts and statues and all that.
I think for sure. it was awesome getting to talk to you guys a little more about, your backgrounds and REM printing, all that stuff for people who want to keep up with you guys, keep up with the podcast. Where can people find you guys online? Rob first, you can find me at meadows, or Meadows Crafters,on the, tickety talks.
and then, online Instagram as well. I probably won't go to Facebook. [00:44:00] I'll just be honest with you. Everybody's oh, make the Facebook page. No, I'm cool. I'm not a social media kind of person. even with my tattoos, I don't post any, I don't, and I should. but I just, I don't, I hate social media, like to.
it's just way of here. I'm, I won't, I'm almost 40, so I'm just, I'm over it. Like I did all that shit. I had the MySpace back in the day. I'm just over social media and all the BS that it causes, But yeah, I'm on those two platforms. and then Etsy, I'm on that kit. So yeah, for me, unfortunately both of my businesses, I have to be on social media.
So I have the Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Twitter too. And, yeah, fortunes, sculptures. And yeah guys, we also have the print house podcast. we don't have any socials set up for that yet. but they can find us, apple Podcast. we have a YouTube app. the, we do have the YouTube as well.
Yeah, that's, that just got set up and, we're definitely have to get you [00:45:00] a guest on our show. so we'll try and set that up here and, yeah. Awesome. yeah, would love to come on the podcast.with that all said, thank you guys so much again for coming on.
It was a pleasure talking to you. And that said, that is the Meet the Makers podcast today.