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house."},{"startTime":3061.615,"endTime":3062.735,"body":"Before running out of it."},{"startTime":3062.785,"endTime":3063.485,"body":"what do you take?"},{"startTime":3063.805,"endTime":3064.795,"body":"Cause it's on fire."},{"startTime":3065.245,"endTime":3068.065,"body":"Yeah, it's on fire or yeah, it's on fire."},{"startTime":3068.975,"endTime":3069.515,"body":"Oh my gosh."},{"startTime":3069.515,"endTime":3070.755,"body":"I love this question."},{"startTime":3070.755,"endTime":3075.285,"body":"It's actually like in a"},{"startTime":3070.755,"endTime":3075.285,"body":"romance movie that I love."},{"startTime":3075.985,"endTime":3076.395,"body":"Really?"},{"startTime":3076.395,"endTime":3077.705,"body":"It's so cute."},{"startTime":3077.775,"endTime":3078.285,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":3078.285,"endTime":3079.695,"body":"So nice question."},{"startTime":3081.113,"endTime":3081.943,"body":"Watch that rom coms."},{"startTime":3082.053,"endTime":3086.813,"body":"Yeah No, not really, 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interview you, Dan."},{"startTime":3139.761,"endTime":3140.451,"body":"Of course."},{"startTime":3140.491,"endTime":3141.251,"body":"Likewise."},{"startTime":3142.041,"endTime":3143.891,"body":"I, I get a lot of inspiration from you."},{"startTime":3144.611,"endTime":3145.031,"body":"Thank you."},{"startTime":3145.731,"endTime":3148.391,"body":"And if anyone out there is, yeah."},{"startTime":3148.781,"endTime":3149.971,"body":"Is in the job hunt."},{"startTime":3150.891,"endTime":3151.581,"body":"Stay strong."},{"startTime":3152.541,"endTime":3153.821,"body":"yeah, we're in it together."},{"startTime":3154.581,"endTime":3154.951,"body":"Yeah."}]}