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to."},{"startTime":3533.829,"endTime":3534.119,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":3534.324,"endTime":3538.734,"body":"Thank you so much for your time"},{"startTime":3534.324,"endTime":3538.734,"body":"and for sharing your experience."},{"startTime":3538.734,"endTime":3544.404,"body":"I'm really excited to share, um,"},{"startTime":3538.734,"endTime":3544.404,"body":"yeah, your story with my listeners."},{"startTime":3544.944,"endTime":3545.274,"body":"Thanks."},{"startTime":3545.274,"endTime":3545.814,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":3545.814,"endTime":3550.434,"body":"And you know, we'll be back for season"},{"startTime":3545.814,"endTime":3550.434,"body":"two, like bigger, better than ever."},{"startTime":3550.674,"endTime":3552.384,"body":"I'm very, very excited."},{"startTime":3552.384,"endTime":3555.984,"body":"So if anyone wants to give"},{"startTime":3552.384,"endTime":3555.984,"body":"a listen, we can be a little"},{"startTime":3555.984,"endTime":3557.604,"body":"sister podcast or whatever."},{"startTime":3558.024,"endTime":3559.164,"body":"Um, yeah."},{"startTime":3559.869,"endTime":3560.359,"body":"Amazing."}]}