"I had Ethan when I was a fourth year resident and then my younger son, Lane, I had as a first year attending. Both of them were NICU babies. They were both preterm delivieries, both had quite a number of complications and even more prominent a memory than the experience in the ICU was that desire to avoid being a burden to your colleagues."

This episode is with Dr. Erika Rangel, who is a trauma and critical care surgeon at Massachusetts General Hospital.

We discuss:
- Parental leave policies and how these effect birth and non-birth parents
- Health outcomes for pregnant surgical trainees
- Culture change
- Her own story with having a child in training and another child later through IVF, both of whom spent time in the NICU

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