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Life Choices: Pivoting the Conversation with London Reber Pt 2

Meghan McDonough Season 2 Episode 9

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What happens when the pressure to conform to parental expectations clashes with our need for authenticity? In this powerful episode, we reconnect with London Reber to explore the challenging decisions we face in our formative years and beyond. Drawing from personal experiences of growing up in restrictive environments, like schools, we underscore the importance of recognizing our true selves while navigating the need for acceptance. London and I emphasize the pivotal role parents play in fostering environments where children can express their true selves without fear of rejection, illustrated through the lens of managing unrealistic parental expectations during family outings.

Mothers often face intense judgment and isolation. We tackle this critical issue, advocating for a shift from fear-based separation to a culture of grace, compassion, and connection. It's crucial to honor each mother's intuitive guidance and respect the unique paths of their children. Wisdom from my yoga teacher highlights the role of parents as supportive guides, who maintain connection even amid disagreement. Alongside this heartfelt discussion, I introduce my coaching services, including Pivot Tribes for group sessions, one-on-one coaching, and an upcoming membership program, all aimed at supporting personal growth and parenting.

Our journey takes a transformative turn as we delve into the experiences offered by the Glass House retreat in Northern California. We share insights on how attending both gender-separated and co-ed retreats can help build healthy adult relationships and boundaries. Personal stories illuminate the benefits of secure attachment, shared language in relationships, and the concept of circle boundaries. This episode is rich with advice on nurturing authenticity and intuition, addressing hypervigilance, and overcoming codependency. Learn how creative expression can serve as a gateway to deeper self-awareness and fulfillment, offering practical tips and heartfelt stories to inspire your journey toward a more authentic life.

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Speaker 1:

all right, miguel and I wanted to say welcome back and get ready for part two of life choices. Pivoting the conversations, an interview with london reber. Um, again, we talk about her wisdom is just priceless, so enjoy.

Speaker 2:

Naturally happens is we come to these constant forks in the road where we have to pick between our authenticity and the connection with that primary caregiver, and we'll almost always pick the connection because we were like surviving off of them. You know, like if you have children right now, or if you can imagine yourself as a child speaking to whoever's listening to this right, you imagine how many times when your authenticity, your intuition, was telling you this is what's right for you and you had, or you chose, or you thought you had no choice to go with what the primary caregiver wanted or needed you to do, because you needed to maintain that connection, even more than you even knew that you needed to maintain your authenticity 100% and environment as well, is the caregivers.

Speaker 1:

You know like, like school, like I grew up in a small town I went to, I mean I was kind of rebellious, but like I went to a catholic school and I nothing fit, you know, like it was all ill-fitting coats, you know what I mean. And so it wasn't until, and it didn't like just kind of, you know, feeling that not really being truly seen, you know, for the authentically seen, and but then getting to the point as an adult where it's like, well, if no one's going to see me, I got to see myself. You know, like you got to find a way and I think that's what you're talking about. It sounds like what you're talking about with the healthy adult is like it is.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you know I was going to say even one layer deeper is like well, especially when we get to be teens and like 20s, how could we expect that they could really see us when we've spent all these years choosing connection over authenticity? We're actually, like you said, not seeing ourselves, so we're not even presenting a version of ourselves where they could see our truest self, which is what everybody really wants. Right Is to be seen for who we really are and to be loved like that and accepted like that. Yeah, absolutely so as parents, like that and accepted like that. Yeah, absolutely so as parents, if we can make an environment where we can like, make space for our children to be authentic and still have a connection with us, for them to tell us their truth or show us who they really are and not to reject it or, like you know, minimize it or try to change them.

Speaker 2:

Like for me, like the key one that's coming to mind right now that seems so trivial or like it could be really easy to dismiss or miss, is like how my children are grateful, like how they're thankful or show appreciation with things. It like really bothers me when they don't seem like they appreciate the thing that I'm doing for them, especially when it's like like yesterday we went to this place called the gentle barn and my son like loves cows, it's his favorite animal, my daughter's like loves dirt and and animals in general, and we get there and it's just like one thing after another and it's too hot and now I'm hungry and like it was like they weren't able to appreciate it in the way that I had wanted them to, or had an unrealistic expectation, probably that they would. Right. I dressed up as realistic, but they're three and six, so are any expectations really that realistic at those ages?

Speaker 1:

I know, yeah, it's true, and it's like, and they also have to's true, and and it's like, and they also have to. The thing is it's like, oh, this is a whole nother subject, and so I'm just gonna say this, and then we don't have to go down this pathway. But there is so much judging in our society right now, especially especially mother to mother, and it's got to. It's just got to stop because it's fear-based and it separates us, it puts us against each other instead of coming from like a space of grace and compassion and trust and connection. You know.

Speaker 2:

And it doesn't honor that that mother is hopefully intuitively guiding that particular child to for what they need between the two of them, which is something that we'll never know or understand.

Speaker 1:

And what their karmic paths is, paths set up for them prior to this life. If you believe in that, you know that they were like. This kid wants to learn these lessons. This mother is the perfect person to teach them that. You know, whatever it may be. You know through combat, through love, through whatever, in challenges, you know. It's like my yoga teacher used to say that she said to her daughters and I love this and it sounds similar to what you were saying is with your children but she would say to her daughters she's like I'm here to guide you, I'm here to support you, I'm here to love you, but your karma is your own. You know your life lessons are your life lessons. You know I can't, I can't learn them for you, you know. But I can be here when you come up against them.

Speaker 2:

I can support you and love you and see you and hold you, which is showing that, like, they can explore right, they can venture out and she's going to, the connection is still going to be maintained and then they can return in any authentic truth, like capacity, and she's still going to be maintaining that connection with them, which is, I mean, like.

Speaker 2:

I think all we can really ask for like if that was the primary purpose of parenting right, like is to be attuned and to be able to maintain a connection even when we don't approve of our children, because there's a there is a difference between acceptance and approval. Right, we can. To me, acceptance is the answer to all my problems today, like, once I accept the reality that I'm in, I can do something with it, I can work with it, as long as I'm not accepting, I'm in some kind of denial or fantasy, and so if I accept whatever's going on with my children or whatever they're telling me, you know, then I can, I can be connected with them in some capacity, even if I don't approve of what they're doing.

Speaker 1:

Yes, absolutely, london, do you? So you work one-on-one when you're coaching sessions? I do, I do. Yes, how do you operate and how do people get in contact with you if they're looking for your guidance?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so I have what's called Pivot Tribes where I do small groups. It's six people over six weeks and we do the core curriculum of Pivot. You get to like dip your toes in a bit. It's not like the deeper dive that a one-on-one would be. It's also a much more affordable price, though, and you still get a lot of the knowledge and awareness and tools that you can start to utilize. That is, I think, the most accessible way to work with me right away. I do work one-on-one. I'm working currently on creating a membership program where I'll do a couple lives a month with that community and there'll be content available and to just that community specifically Right now.

Speaker 2:

I started a professional account on Instagram only a year ago. It's called at heyitslondon underscore heyitslondon underscore. That's the same on all the platforms. And, yeah, I would also highly recommend going on the retreat. So the retreat is in Northern California. The facility is called the Glass House because Lori Jean Glass is the founder. It's a Monday through Friday. It is for identifying women and men, separated, and then there's a 2.0. So there's a healthy, adult 2.0 retreat after that, which is co-ed, which I actually went to a couple years ago myself as a client. I went back and did that after my sister passed away and it helped me so much in my own personal journey. Like I said, we never graduate right. I knew that I was struggling to attach securely to all the hats that I was wearing through that grief and so I went up and did that and I highly recommend it. I was like another game changer for me.

Speaker 2:

And then there's also what we call personalized pivots. I just did one in Tahoe a couple of weeks ago. They can be one, two or three days and we travel to the clients. You can do it individually or you can do it as a couple or a duo, and the really ethical thing that Pivot does that I don't know anybody else in this lane doing it is we provide a coach, an advocate, for each member of the family. So the last one I just did was a male and a female who were engaged, so each fiance had their own coach and we worked together as the four of us and it yeah, so that, no, so that everybody's seen right, nobody has their voice like unheard. Everybody had like.

Speaker 2:

At one point I was working with the female at one point she said can we take a minute? I need to talk to you, you know, and we went downstairs and we had I helped her get back into her healthy adult so she could really show up in what we were doing upstairs. Um, and there's also a premarital package. So that exists, like if you, if you're doing amazing and you're also like, what is our family legacy that we want to have? How do we want to approach parenting when the time comes right? Like, how are we attaching when we're fighting, when we're still fighting? Like, how are we attaching from our parts of selves? Maybe it's my child and his teen that are the ones that get into this bicker and we move around. I don't want to get too technical, but there's a premarital package when, if you're doing great and you're engaged and you're about to get married, you can also be even attaching more securely and really looking at your family legacy that you're going to create through this marriage.

Speaker 1:

So get the roots of communication and alignment for when shit does hit the fan, because it's gonna.

Speaker 2:

And the shared language. Yes, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1:

That's, I mean it's. You know, that's a huge one. I'm just going to say that.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, we could be seeing the same thing, but it's just being misunderstood constantly how we're saying it.

Speaker 1:

You know, just missing each other completely. You know, yeah, yeah, and misinterpreting it's yeah, it's.

Speaker 2:

having having a common language is ideal simultaneously, because to me, that's a healthy, adult relationship where you don't have to self abandon in order to be close to this person and you don't have to just leave the person to be authentic. Right, how can I be authentic and be able to use my healthy, adult voice in sharing my authenticity and maintain that connection with healthy boundaries? Because that's another huge piece of pivot is we use this thing called circle boundaries, where there's five levels of closeness in your life, and the way I like to look at it is like you're a performer on stage. It's like who has which ticket to your concert? Is it a backstage pass? Is it a news release pass?

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

That's how I like to look at using our boundaries. And how do you know which which area that person belongs in your life? Is it? Do we have reciprocal trust? Are we just based on like shared interests?

Speaker 2:

And when we, when we have just shared interests with somebody, which is most of the people in our lives, you know, like the other parents who, for the soccer team or whatever that's the shared interest, or even kids at school, their parents and stuff, and most people in our lives, it's just a shared interest, is the commonality, and yet it can be a really thriving, amazing relationship, as long as you don't have an unrealistic expectation that there's reciprocal trust and you're not oversharing and you're not, you know, trying to depend on them when they didn't really make a commitment to be there for you, like that.

Speaker 2:

And then you're feeling let down and offended and then there's a fight and they're like what do you mean? I didn't even know that you wanted me to show up in your life like that, right? So that's how Pivot can teach people. How has taught me how to use a really healthy boundary system that keeps me safe in all my relationships, and it doesn't matter what the other person does. It tell what they're doing tells me what I'm going to do next, based on my own internal boundary guidance system, which is also infused with my intuition, obviously Right.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2:

Because when we self-abandon, we're we're turning our like, we're going like this to our intuition.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

We're like nope, I don't want to hear it, no, I just I need it to work. I need it to be like this. So I can't deal with what my gut is telling me right now.

Speaker 2:

Well, because, because, intuition is listening listening, it's just listening and that's that's a huge part of parenting is learning how to just listen and even giving reflective listening, right, yes, inactive listening and like. And if you don't have a child who's like, highly sensitive and neurodivergent, like my son, who is just like, probably thinks most normally like more along those lines, we'll see. As he gets older he's three. When I do reflective listening to him, it works wonders. Like, yeah, you're feeling really upset because you couldn't have the cookie right before bed, right, and he's like like right, he feels, seen, I am feeling upset. I really wanted that cookie Now with my daughter when she was three, she was like yes, exactly Right, let me show you. She's like so why are you not giving me the cookie? I wouldn't be upset right now if you would just give me the cookie.

Speaker 1:

Understand the problem Now fix it.

Speaker 2:

It works differently with different kids. However, I think being able to reflect back to our children that we hear what they're saying before we go in to just fix it or rejecting it right, saying no is really helpful for maintaining a connection, because the goal is like when they're teenagers and when they're in their 20s, that they come to us with their more complex issues, because right now it's like, yeah, he knocked down my magnet tiles. Right, how we show up to that is going to tell them how safe and secure and connected their relationship is with us and that's going to guide or determine them. Determine for them how much they return to us when they actually do have the freedom to not Absolutely.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's worth it. Right, minor 10 and 7. So it's like I said to my daughter the other day, you know, because I always say, like you know, you should always talk to me. You can always, even if you think I'm not gonna, I will always listen to you. You know, when I and I tell them they should, you know they need to snuggle me when they're my age and you know I Um, when I and I tell them they should, you know they need to snuggle me when they're my age and they're not going to. But, like you know, and uh, so I told my daughter I said, cause she got real snippy the other day, cause she's starting to get into that tweenie.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, our oldest, my stepdaughter, is 11. I'm right there with you.

Speaker 1:

So she's starting to get into that tweenie thing. And before she went to bed and I said goodnight, I was kind of like, oh honey, you know, I was really upset today because I felt like, oh man, I said, and she looked at me like she didn't understand what I was talking about and I said, well, some girls when they get older, they start to get distant from their moms. And I was like I know it probably will happen and that's how, you know, I'm prepared for it. But I was like, oh man, it's not starting yet, is it, you know? And the look on her face and I was making kind of a joke out of it, but the look on her face was like, oh mom, I'll never do that. Like that's terrible, I'll never do that. I was like, oh, never do that, like that's terrible, I'll never, you know.

Speaker 2:

It was like, oh, she's still, she's still there, we're not there yet, but you know it's coming and maybe it won't, you know. Yeah, because if you're saying you can always come to me and I'll listen, and then you're actually showing them that in reality, because there's one thing to say it. And then if they come to you, you go straight in to fix it, solve it, try to do whatever you can so they don't feel that feeling, instead of like having that moment of empathy with them before you move into compassion and problem solving, or even saying like are you looking for a suggestion, are you open to hearing a suggestion? And then, if they're like, no, you know, letting it just be, and then that's showing them that they actually truly can come to you and tell you anything and you will just listen. And then that's like the foundation where it might you know of course there's going to be blips on the radar, but it might not be like catastrophic. The way that mine was with. My blobs were at my mom.

Speaker 1:

And that's why I'm like I know it's not going to be the same as it was. I mean, my mom and I had a. It was tough for a long time, but, and so I just you know, I'm hoping for the opposite of that.

Speaker 2:

Well, we do different things, we get different results. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1:

Exactly.

Speaker 2:

Right Like I, I have really learned in the last couple of years that I am a second generation cycle breaker and I am so grateful to my mom for that. And you know I saw this. I saw this video online recently where it was like this is what childhood trauma looks. A generational trauma looks like. And they had a dark like a glass of, like dark coffee generational trauma looks like, and they had a dark like a glass of like dark coffee.

Speaker 2:

I love that video. So so they pour the coffee into, like the grandma pours into the mom and the mom, or the great grandma into the grandma, the grandma into the mom, the mom into the daughter. But before the mom pours into the daughter, the cycle breaker, mom pours a bunch of water and dilutes it and dilutes it and dilutes it and then pours, like a clear glass, into the daughter, which I thought was a little unrealistic. Like, I'm not going to. I'm not going to be able to pour a clear glass into my children.

Speaker 2:

However, the idea of it is that my mom poured a couple glasses of clear liquid in hers before pouring into me and it still was murky and Brown. It just wasn't that dark Brown anymore. And now I'm pouring some and it's getting more diluted and clear as I'm pouring into my children and yeah, I don't know that goals is ever that it's completely clear because whatever's going to happen in their lifetime is going to add some murkiness to it, right? However, the concept of that, I think, is really cool and so, as a second generation cycle breaker, I'm able to like, look at, like with gratitude all the things that my mom did do differently and and be grateful for that. And then still acknowledge, like the love and fear right, still acknowledge all the things that did not work for me.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

And now looking at how can I do those things differently with my children and then still being realistic with myself, that what my children need is different than what I needed 100% yes absolutely.

Speaker 2:

And so if we're got from our parents, then we can show up at least the most secure with our children and with our light shining, without all the dirt on top of it, the most we can and we can allow our intuition to guide us in that relationship.

Speaker 2:

Instead of that saying, you know, comparison is the thief of joy. What you were talking about with the mom stuff, the judging like the way I'm parenting Michaela right now is not the way I think most people would deem, you know, is like best practices, because I'm working on like a low demand approach with her, that like cause I I see how much she needs autonomy and her need to to like have her own control of her own reality. Right, like. And so when I say, go brush your teeth in the middle of a show, she hears like, okay, I need to listen to my mom, I need to understand what she's saying, I need to respond to what she's saying, I need to turn off my show, I need to get up, I need to go to the bathroom, I need to turn on the water and put on the toothbrush and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. She was like a laundry list of like what she has to do right now and in my mind I'm like can you just go brush?

Speaker 1:

your teeth.

Speaker 2:

And so I'm approaching it right now where, like, what's more important, my connection with her and a peace, peace in our home, not permissiveness, but peace where we both feel like our needs are being met. But I'm meeting my own needs, not expecting her to meet my needs, you know meaning. Meaning like she needs to do this so that I can know that I'm a good mom. Right, yes, using her to meet my need of knowing I'm a good mom. Good, yeah, yeah. And so, like, do I want to put her to bed after we've just had a 30 minute fight, or do I want to, like, chill out on the toothbrushing and come to understand why she doesn't like it so much? And like I learned that the sound of the brush in her mouth, like tickles, itches her ears on the inside, because she's a highly sensitive person and she's very picky on the toothpaste and if it's not to the exact one, you know.

Speaker 2:

da, da, da, da yeah yeah, and yet I think the generation before us it's like you brush your teeth because that's the way it is yeah, for a lot of us, and I think that's where we're changing and being using our intuition. Like, intuitively, I'm seeing that my child doesn't want to do it for some reason and getting curious about what that reason is, and not taking it personal, that it's like they're just trying to fight with us or they just like are trying to be disobedient or Something, yeah, exactly, yeah.

Speaker 2:

And that the goal really isn't to build obedient kids, because a lot of our parents parents try to do that with our parents and there was a lot of rebellion.

Speaker 1:

Yeah yeah, Passion is the other, you know extremity.

Speaker 2:

In comes the alcohol.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, or the the, you know, or the calcifying of emotions, you know, or intuition yeah, the self-abandoning in order to maintain that connection absolutely yeah, yeah um, I could talk to you for hours, especially especially about all this.

Speaker 1:

I love this and you have such a. Your intelligence and emotional intelligence are just so. I want to say vast, but also like high, and those are not a correct word that I'm trying to piece together to say that I'm in awe of your intelligence, emotional and just intellect, and it's. I always learn something from you when we talk and I'm just so appreciative of that.

Speaker 2:

Game recognized game girl.

Speaker 1:

Well, I'm so. Thank you so much for coming and doing this with me and I hope, I hope you, who are listening and watching you know, got some good insights, you know, and some good approaches to using your intuition in your life.

Speaker 2:

I mean I in in that wrap up, I would say to just be like remembering that you have the power to turn up the volume and the more you're like and with everything kind of wrapped up together that we just talked about, like, if you do find that you're sober curious, you know, like what does it look like when you remove it? It because your intuition voice is probably going to get louder. The volume's automatically going to get louder on that when we remove it, and most of us, like you said, are afraid of it, and so, like, how do we get comfortable with hearing our intuition and then not doing something hasty with it, right? Like, if you hear like something really intense about your marriage or like you know your best friend relationship or your job, right, you don't have to act on it immediately. I mean, I would highly recommend you do not, right? You, you go and you get curious with that and you do writing and you're like, okay, so I've been suppressing it for 20 years, I don't need to blow up my life in 20 days, right?

Speaker 1:

no, and then and again to the fact that we were talking about before, is is that the quality of the vibration of the communication is just so subtle and detached that it doesn't usually ring alarm bells. The alarm bells come from instinct. You know that's revealing or insightful, it's going to just sit like a quiet, you know, just like a silent room. It's like it just clears all the noise out of the room for a minute and that doesn't ignite action. Usually that requests sitting still and being with that and then eventually a plan emerges, right If it does require shift. But the alarm bells to me are never intuition intuition.

Speaker 2:

That's often. Thank you for that clarification Cause I absolutely agree and often, as we're doing our own internal discovery and work and stuff the relationships in our lives like just they'll change, because it's just like baking a cake If you put in a different ingredient, the cake is going to come out different. So you become the different ingredient and what you're baking in your home or in your work environment or in your friend group, right Like you're going to show up differently and therefore you're going to have different interactions and everything can kind of work itself out in the way that it's meant to, if, if we stay yeah, just like um, focused on on what we're doing and what our intuition is telling us, without having to like feel like, oh my gosh, I need to change someone else for me to be okay.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, Well, that's our training. Unfortunately, that's our societal training, you know, and it's and, and and that is also part of why I'm doing magnetetize your Light, why I'm doing this podcast, is that is, to disrupt the training, that the training is outside in the training. Is there the problem that needs to be fixed? I mean, look like we can take that globally. Right now Our nation is going crazy about other nations saying they need to fix that. It's like OK, but we got some problems here. They need to fix that. It's like okay, but we got some problems here. Like everybody needs to look internally first before the external projection starts, and that goes with all things you know. And so the disruption is outside the world connection, affinity or affiliation or or attachment versus intuitive origin, and then magnetic expression.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, cause that that is the definition of, of codependency when we need someone else to change for us to be okay, yeah, and so much, so many of us have, like, like you said, been trained to be like hypervigilant, trying to change or alter ourselves, to control or manipulate the outcome.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely.

Speaker 2:

And so if we are just focused on like that voice and that volume of that voice going up and actually being our guide, doing something loving, thinking something loving, saying something loving, then we are going to be the impact in the world to make that outer change happen automatically, without even needing to focus on it changing at all.

Speaker 1:

It'll just shift, you know, it just shifts.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and that's I mean that's so important for me to always remember with my children, you know, like they can't make us feel a certain way. We have those feelings about what they're doing.

Speaker 1:

Those are our feelings oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely, and in it, and it's in when, when they fight and stuff, and she made me feel this way. It's like she didn't make you do anything. You felt that way and you chose an action that was not in alignment with being kind and loving. Let's rethink that you know, like that's not. You're not. You know what I mean. Like it's blaming others for your? Um discomfort is is never a pathway to success in any, in any arena.

Speaker 2:

You know I've studied marshall rosenberg and the non-violent communication that he founded or created. He's passed now and and it's um, and by blaming others. It's a form of violent communication. And like to be nonviolent, he suggests saying I choose to blank because I want blank. And even towards yourself you can use not, you can use violent communication to yourself. Like I have to pay my car bill Right, like I like it's like, oh, actually I choose to pay my car lease because I want to drive this car, and just feel the difference in those two things well, girl, let's just take this 360 and go.

Speaker 1:

I chose to be sober because I want to feel my light more. I want my intuition more. You know what I mean. Like I didn't have to get sober because that's everyone's perspective, like you, how, what happened and it's like what happened is I had. I just I had a choice and I chose me and I chose a weird fucking version of me pardon my french, but like I love it. You know it's not gonna be everybody's cup of tea. I chose to, I chose to put all the masks down. I still got some, yeah, sure, but like I was tired of being chameleon. You know it was like, yeah, ridiculous, yeah, like when I, you know, like as an actor, like my sense of style, you think about that. Like what's my sense of style? I'm like I don't know. I always have, I'm always trying to be somebody else's sense style or some other character, or do you know what I mean? Like, and then I realized how that kind of seeps into my life.

Speaker 2:

And and then I realized how that kind of seeps into my life and that was part of that. I drank because I wanted to be with other people who drink. I really didn't. I mean again the connection right, like you put down all your masks and you stop drinking and you're saying this is like a weird version of me and I'm calling it your authentic self and now you're trusting that you will be intuitively guided to the connections that you're meant to be having in this phase of your development. Right, and like that's.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I was just saying you don't have to be sober. That's not like a and if you are sober curious.

Speaker 2:

I actually just got invited to sit on the board, uh, something called sober awakening. You can find it sober awakeningorg, and it is where we are discussing and presenting the differences how you can be sober, that some people they grow their intuition and then they realize they need to be sober, like you did. Some people get sober and then they grow their intuition, which is what I did, yeah, and that there's space and room for all of us. And that, if you're even just sober curious, that this is a place where you can come and see why alcohol might be affecting you in a way that's not supporting your light shining in in your full authenticity absolutely absolutely yeah, I'm glad that I just remembered that and I got to share that.

Speaker 1:

Yes, and then also, if you are curious in how to cultivate your own intuition, I have the C3 meetup group that meets up with the moon new moon and the full moon the Sunday and the Tuesday closest to and we go through guided meditations that look at the energies of the new moon, the energies of the full moon, what it's kind of requesting of us, and then creative expression into connection, journaling and just another way, because I believe that creativity is an access point to intuition and vice versa.

Speaker 2:

So it is your life force energy. So, because it's your, it is your life force energy. And when we're bringing, when we're investing in our own life force energy, our creativity, then what we're bringing to the table in all of our relationships is more fulfilling and we're not a burden on other people because we're like going to them to fill our cups right absolutely yeah, my goes to my mom goes to that regularly and she absolutely loves it, and I use your workbook and so thank you for everything that you're putting out into the world, including this podcast.

Speaker 2:

You are making a big difference. You're making ripples and waves in this world that are helping people change their lives and I appreciate you having the courage to walk this path, because it all I mean you. I appreciate you having the courage to walk this path because it all I mean you have absolutely given me the courage to start a professional account and things like that, and you're, you're, you're, you're guiding me at this point, so I mean you, all of that right back at you, and I appreciate you saying that.

Speaker 1:

Thank you.

Speaker 2:

You really do matter and I see you and I love it.

Speaker 1:

I'm here for all of it.

Speaker 2:

That's fine. I'll take it when I am in, all right.

Speaker 1:

Well, thank you so much and you know we'll see you. We'll see you next time, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Next time you'll be on my podcast, I'll have to get this going. Let's do it. I love it. All right, Thank you everyone for listening and reach out to either or both of us if you're interested in anything we talk about.

Speaker 1:

Hey, it's London underscore, is that right?

Speaker 2:

Hey, it's London. Yeah, London like the city underscore. Perfect, all right. London like the city underscore.

Speaker 1:

Okay, miguel and I wanted to say goodbye. Say goodbye, miguel, goodbye and thank you so much for joining us in our podcast. Look at his face. Yes, if you want to reach London, you can always reach her at heyits's london underscore on all social, and you can reach me at magnetize your life. Say goodbye.

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