Intuitive Insights: Harnessing the Power of Intuition + Creativity in Everyday Life
Hosted by Meghan McDonough, your No BS “Woo-Woo” Coach: Intuitive Insights is a transformative podcast. Meghan is an Intuitive Life coach who’s passion is to guide you to use your intuition and creativity for a more purpose-filled life. The podcast draws inspiration from various sources such as ancient wisdom texts, yoga, philosophical teachings, intuitive readings, interviews and personal anecdotes. Along with reflections on the intuitive messages, practical tips, exercises, and actionable steps are provided to help listeners incorporate personal growth and mindfulness into their daily lives. The aim is to empower listeners to create a more fulfilling and purposeful life knowing “You.Are.Intuitive!”
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Intuitive Insights: Harnessing the Power of Intuition + Creativity in Everyday Life
Navigating Stars and Intuition with Emily Tatomer
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When the ancient wisdom of astrology meets your innate intuitive knowing, magic happens. Join me as I welcome Hellenistic astrologer Emily Tatomer for a soul-stirring conversation about navigating life through both starry guidance and inner wisdom.
Emily shares her remarkable journey from modern dancer to professional astrologer, revealing how the pandemic became the unexpected catalyst for her spiritual awakening. What began as casual curiosity evolved into passionate study and eventually a fulfilling career helping others understand their cosmic blueprint. Her story beautifully illustrates how following that quiet, neutral voice of intuition can lead us exactly where we need to be—even when the destination seems unexpected.
We explore the distinctive features of Hellenistic astrology—one of the oldest forms of horoscopic astrology dating back thousands of years—and how it differs from modern approaches. While contemporary psychological astrology often focuses primarily on personal development, traditional Hellenistic practice offers a comprehensive view of your entire life mandala, revealing insights about relationships, career paths, and life circumstances alongside personal psychology.
Perhaps most powerfully, Emily reveals how understanding her birth chart finally gave her permission to embrace her natural gifts rather than forcing herself to fit societal expectations. For those with water sign placements or Neptune contacts who've always felt deeply intuitive or empathic, astrology can validate these experiences as genuine strengths rather than quirks to downplay or dismiss.
Whether you're an astrology enthusiast or simply curious about developing your intuitive abilities, this episode offers practical guidance for distinguishing between true intuition (that neutral, calm knowing) and anxiety-based thinking that masquerades as insight. Ready to discover what your birth chart might reveal about your intuitive nature? Listen now and begin connecting the dots between the cosmos and your inner wisdom.
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Hi, welcome to Intuitive Insights. I am Megan, your host, your intuitive guide and creativity coach, and today I have with me my friend, Emily Tatomer. I got it right. I was saying it wrong. Is that right? That's right. Yeah, Emily is a Hellenistic astrologer, a former modern dancer and a mother of three. Welcome Emily.
Speaker 2:How are you? I'm pretty well. Thanks so much for having me. Yes.
Speaker 1:Exciting to be here. Okay, so let's start. At the gate I said Hellenistic astrologer. Yes, I know what it is because that's how I found you. But for those who don't know what Hellenistic astrologer is, can you just give a little explanation of that?
Speaker 2:Yes, so Hellenistic astrology is traditional astrology. It's one of the first forms of horoscopic astrology that came about a couple of thousand years ago from Mesopotamia and ancient Greece and it focuses on there are a couple of things that tend to be part of Hellenistic astrology, which is whole sign houses and traditional rulerships, a big focus on the traditional seven planets that were visible to the naked eye before we had modern technology to discover Uranus, neptune and Pluto. It tends to be a little bit more predictive in nature than some modern psychological astrology in nature, than some modern psychological astrology, um, but it doesn't, certainly doesn't have to be yeah, but um, modern psychological astrology or other like evolutionary astrology. Those kinds of things, um, are focused a little bit more on just the individual. With the chart there's Hellenistic astrology you can find, yes, the individual, their personality, their psyche, all of that in the chart, but you also find the chart holder's partner and their job and their cousins, so it's a little bit more.
Speaker 2:Like you find their world versus your whole world as opposed to just focusing on it, as like looking at the chart as a blueprint for that individual and all the different aspects of their own self and psychology. Yeah, and find that in Hellenistic astrology, but you also find other and all aspects potentially of their life, other and all aspects potentially of their life they're living.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think so. The person we both have I'm just new at studying this and you've studied with Adam from Nightlight and what he talks about a lot is the like it's a mandala, right, yeah, Right. So you're seeing the kind of all different angles. And when he says that I know a mandala is like, it's a picture that you, you know, like a yantra or something that you use for meditation purposes, and it draws you in and kind of takes your mind on a journey.
Speaker 1:But I always see it as like my kid has one of them, but it's like that. Maybe your kids have them too, but it's like that ball that. It's kind of like that. It's like that ball that, it's kind of like that. It's it's almost like it's like a 3d 360 shape, and that's how I see it when he says mandala yeah, it's literally like all the different aspects, like from all the different you know pieces, right yeah, I think he often uses the phrase turning of the jewel.
Speaker 2:Like the jewel and turning, and you can see the different facets. Just like a diamond would be cut with different facets, and it's a similar idea, exactly as the mandala.
Speaker 1:When you were drawn to Hellenistic astrology were you prior? Were you another? Were you interested in astrology in a different vein or did you come straight into Hellenistic?
Speaker 2:I, um, I came in, I think like so many people, in the very early days of the pandemic when I was like I need life, I need answers to life's big questions. And a friend of mine sent me a podcast, a weekly weather podcast. I don't know if you've heard of the astrologer, ann Ortley, and she's not Hellenistic, she's very well trained, but she's a modern astrologer. She uses Placidus house system and all of that. But a friend of mine who grew up with astrology just happened to send me it must have been like March 30th, like very early days of the pandemic. Yes, yes, she sent me a. She just said here listen to this, I think you'll like it.
Speaker 2:And I had always been kind of like interested in astrology, but it just like I had books when I was a teenager, you know, on astrology and everything, but it never was, I don't know.
Speaker 2:It was just the right moment in time that I listened to that and I just kind of, as they say, very cliched, fell down the rabbit hole or got bit by the bug, and so I was very eclectically, just self-taught for a couple of years where I was trying on all sorts of like listening to podcasts, and I joined, um, you know, like community astrology, community groups, um astrology hub I would definitely credit them as, uh, helping me kind of get my feet wet in this and they're a group that has a different um guide, monthly guide every month, where they bring in a different astrologer and it's part of their what they call their inner circle. It's like a membership community. Yeah, yeah, yeah and um. So they have all different astrologers coming in and teaching master classes and then leading like a monthly full moon and new moon um ceremony and workshop, and so that was, you know.
Speaker 2:After, I think maybe five or six months into my exploration of astrology, I joined Astrology Hub's inner circle and so that exposed me to a lot of different types of astrology and teachers. And then I know you weren't really asking for my life story, but no, that's fine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is great.
Speaker 2:Then in, uh, in the fall in September of 2021, after I'd been just kind of again self-taught for about a year and a half I um, I had been reading that book the artist's way. Have you read that book? It's from like the 90s.
Speaker 1:No, I've Julia Cameron. Yes, I've read it. I've done it like seven times. I love it.
Speaker 2:Yes, I was right in the middle of reading that book and I got an email from the astrologer Bronwyn Simons, who actually gave me my first professional reading in in around in the fall of 2020. And I found her through astrology hub. But I got an email cause I was on her mailing list that said you know, have you been interested in becoming a professional astrologer? I'm putting together this um, like launching this 12 week course called um a professional astrologer mastermind, where it was um not teaching astrology, like not teaching the technique of astrology, but it was a small group coming together and learning how to actually make a profession out of it, like how to apply astrology into um, into becoming professional, and it was a total whim. I just I, like I had just been reading the section in the artist's way, about like sometimes a door will just open or a window, will you know? You'll feel something open.
Speaker 2:And, um, I signed up for it literally the morning before, like before the first um meeting in that course and, um, totally putting the cart before the horse because I had no formal education at that point. So why did I think I could become a professional? But I joined and, yeah, it really was like some intuitively, I knew that I needed to do this and that 12 week course kind of changed my life. It was a small group of I think there were about 11 or 12 of us, all women.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it was just. There was the chemistry between that group and with Bronwyn as very adept at leading. She's like a mama, she's like a mama bear, she just leads these groups so beautifully. She's like a mama bear, she just leads these groups so beautifully. And I met a couple of very close friends that I think will be like lifelong good friends just instant connection with them who I still see quite regularly over Zoom 12 weeks and it was wonderful After it was over we continued to see each other as a group once a month just to get together. But then I said, okay, now I've done this and now I actually need to go back and start formally educating myself.
Speaker 2:And I had seen a couple of Adam's YouTube videos videos. I had a friend who was currently in his year one program and I just I liked his style, like something that he said in one of his videos just actually like made, like got me teary, some some aspect of how he incorporates such a rich spirituality in his like more technical, um, astrological craft. There's such a spiritualness to it and, um, I just decided to sign up in, so it would have been June of 22 that I started his year one class and then I just went all the way through cause I I loved his teaching, um so completed three years worth of his coursework and and some you know masterclass series and lots of his different. He has lots of offerings. So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:No, he's, he's, he's wonderful. And I was. I'm in the year one now and I'm very overwhelmed and it's wonderful. But that's how we met, because I was like help me unpack this.
Speaker 1:I don't understand. It's wonderful, but that's how we met, because I was like, help me unpack this. I don't understand, but but yeah, I do love how he pulls spirituality into. But I also, you know, I really I like to know the why so I can make up my own decisions. Because I was finding, like you, I was listening to a lot of different podcasts Vedic, you know, adam, hellenistic, evolutionary I was listening to all these different types of astrologers, a lot of them before the election, but I was realizing that it was giving me more anxiety than I knew that its purpose was. You know what I mean. And I knew that its purpose was.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like, and I was like I want to know why people are coming to the conclusions they're coming to, like I want to be able to look and see what, because to me that's time, energy, you know, and we are energetic beings. So, like, why not know what's best to flow with and when not to flow, and all those things? Yeah, so, yeah. So I do love that. Hellenistic is kind of the roots of all modern astrology, so in his teaching he does show us, like, or does teach you know, where this came from, why this is the way, not just assuming and then moving forward.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, and that allows so much for um, an innate understanding and the ability to um, um, it's so much easier to delineate something when you, when you do, know the why, because otherwise, if you're just focused on, like, memorizing keywords, okay, like, so this planet means these things and this sign means these things, and it's like too much information and data that you have to kind of like sift through and then where goes the intuition?
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly Exactly. And then goes the intuition yes, exactly exactly. And then, exactly, the intuition gets overwhelmed. But if you go back to look at, like exactly that, the why of of this system, and it's very beautiful and elegant and simple and intricate at the same time, yeah, and then you can just, you don't need to need to remember the key words because you have an innate understanding of the initial the root, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's also not like most things are now, which is it's not transient, you know, like yeah, I mean because it's been around for thousands of years and and it still rings true, yes, Um, so okay. So that brings me. I kind of jumped the gate because I was very excited to talk about astrology but I have my two questions which, uh, which we're sure we'll talk more about is um? What is intuition to you? How do you define it?
Speaker 2:what is intuition to you? How do you define it? I, you know it's, it's. I think it's very different for anyone, for everyone, and also, I think we all possess some, some amount of intuition. Um, I think it's just. You know, one person said to me once that that they think of intuition for me particularly as like a womb knowing, and um, that resonated for me. It doesn't have to, obviously.
Speaker 2:You know, we don't all have wombs and and but for me yeah true, Exactly, and so there's something about like a, it's a knowing, it's a cognizance of some kind, and that can come in all different forms, obviously, for different people, but it's just this, like this felt sense of knowing that I guess guess, in the most simple definition I would call it that and like yeah again, and I think that womb piece is is exactly that we all come from one, we all begin there. There's some like, like, like massive, enigmatic intelligence in creation. You know that, um, that we all have the ability to connect to at times and in ways.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, and you spoke a little bit about how you use it in your life. I mean, obviously, this you know the astrology path kind of came to you, into, like you're in to me, I call intuition the voice of the soul, right? So your, the voice, your soul, was like do this, you know you need to get this down, you know. So you obviously listen to that, but how else do you use it, like even even as a mom, how do you use intuition in your life?
Speaker 2:I think I, well one, I have to, you know, just not give it as much, yeah, as much credit as it deserves, um, so I will admit that, first and foremost. But I think I, you know, as I'm gradually being more and more willing to trust it, I think I am just um relaxing into it more and and if I, if I get some kind of feeling of of like a nudge or um, I'm just learning to kind of trust it. It's one way that I think I'm using. It is um learning to kind of trust it. It's one way that I think I'm using. It is um allowing space and time for um, um, like, if I want something to happen, but I'm getting a sense like now is not the time, I'm learning to accept that better and have more grace around, like okay, now is not the time, like, I'm getting that clear sense that like, so don't push.
Speaker 2:Yes, for something if now is not the time, I think with it's interesting, with my kids it's. It's interesting that you ask that because I don't even know, I think I'm still I have. You know not to go back to the astrology, but I have a moon in Cancer, which is the sign of the moon. It's a very motherly sign to have your moon in and it's in a place in my chart that is associated with children. So I have this very motherly moon.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I think I like I'm not even totally aware of it, but I think I'm very connected intuitively and with that womb sense of knowing to my kids intuitively, and with that womb sense of knowing to my kids, um, so it's like almost difficult for me to describe how I might use it with them. I think I just naturally kind of work on this river of of intuition with them and their emotions. Um, that has been one thing that's been my, my kids have been some of my greatest teachers in astrology. It's been like amazing, yeah, yeah, um. And then, certainly in my work, I use, I'm beginning to use more and more intuition, um, with you know, even just preparing for clients, um, like when I'm preparing to meet with a client, I can, I, I'm just beginning to. Again, it's beginning, it's a slow um acceptance and trust of beginning to, to feel like, okay, this is, and this is something that's jumping out about the chart, like that's what we need, that we're going to need to talk about. Or, um, this is just starting to get a sense of like, this is, this is what their mood might be like, and I and I'm going to try to meet them here in this when we're talking Um.
Speaker 2:One time I had a. I had a client that I was preparing for and they had a question about a certain thing. So I was looking at this one technique that would speak to that, what their question was about. And I looked at it and I was just like this is not saying anything to me, this is not saying anything to me. And I realized that I had drawn up the wrong chart and I, once I switched it, it was like it was like it jumped out, like it, it turned into color. I was like, oh, okay, this is like. This is in ways like that, where it's like, okay, I'm trusting, like this isn't, something isn't right about this. It's like dull, it doesn't, it's not showing up, it's not speaking to me and then recognizing, okay, because something about that is wrong, and then figuring out what the right thing is, and it and it shows up. It's like vibrant, it's saying something.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, even with with with my chart, you. So I have a very interesting birth story and we talked a little bit about the Neptunian-ness of it all, yeah, but so I don't know what time I was born. I was born in the bathroom, in the sack, you know, six weeks early, with the cord wrapped around my neck and my dad had to deliver me. So they didn't know what time it was and my dad had to deliver me, so they didn't know what time it was. All I had to go on was the sun was coming up as my dad was following the ambulance to the hospital. So I just assumed it was like 6.15, because the sun rises around 7.15 in January. But I had had something very traumatic happen to me recently. So when we started talking, you're like well, it could be this, it could be this as far as rising sign, which kind of changes everything, the whole picture.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So, um, but nobody else had asked me that before, you know, and so, and I'd had maybe a couple of readings, nothing in depth, but um. So then I looked at both of them and I was like, oh, it could go either way, but I feel like it's more, you know, sad rising. And then, um, and then I remember I had like a little voice tell me, tell her about the physical thing that just happened, yeah, and then I did, and then that actually gave you a chunk of information to go back, and now I have an actual birth time. I mean it's just what we think, yeah, but it feels pretty right, you know, I mean it it's um, especially because that incident was so out of left field, you know what was it?
Speaker 2:It was on a.
Speaker 1:It was on a um fate. Note of fate right or something.
Speaker 2:Yes, it was something like that. I yeah, I don't remember exactly the details something. Yes, it was something like that. I yeah, I don't remember exactly the details, but there was something that was that was definitely happening on an important point if you had been born at that moment, yes, yes, it was probably either a node or I think it was a node, maybe I think it was a note of fate and and um, but your intuition kind of guided you to just play around with that and to find that.
Speaker 1:And it wasn't like I'm hoping you didn't have to spend hours on that, no, no, yeah, it wasn't that far off but no, no no, Six 15 isn't that big of a jump, but yeah, Um, but yeah, your intuition guided you there and it kind of, and it lined everything up in a in a very like obvious way, which is really cool.
Speaker 2:I thought, yeah it is cool and it's something that you know and we've talked before, but something that, again, over the last couple of years that I've I've been finding more and more what's the right word, kind of affirmations of my intuition. Yes, and so, like I said, just continuing to try to trust and to listen and to differentiate between what is actual intuition versus anxiety or wishful thinking yeah Right, and to try to learn what the how those feel different.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, that's, that's a process I'm on as well, that I'm still not. You know, I think those, I think some of those things will probably be lifelong journeys.
Speaker 1:The soul, which is um, not 3d, right, it's eternal. So, and the 3d emotions that we attach to it, as like um, you know to, to uh, that get muddied up with it, um, our anxiety, fear, doubt, all those things, and none of those, those are all 3D emotions. Those are all physical emotions, brain emotions, ego emotions trying to keep this body alive. The soul doesn't have to worry about being alive. It's a lot, it's never ending, but the body transition is fragile, the body can die. So, in order to keep the body alive, we have fear, we have anxiety, we have all these other things. So, whenever the intuition is mixed in with fear or anxiety, that's not intuition, Right, it's always calmer, quieter, detached, neutral, neutral. That word trust is huge, though, too, it's like you have to be quiet enough to trust, yeah, you know. So I like that. You keep saying that because you need the trust, you need to be able to trust.
Speaker 1:Because we all have it, we all have it, but we got to trust it when it comes up, listen for it and then trust it when it comes up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I had an experience about a year and a half ago, almost two years ago, where I had um. I had a, a friend who one of the women in that initial professional astrology mastermind.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I'd never met her in person, but I would definitely consider her a friend because and there was some conversation about trying to get together in person and we were planning something for a few months in advance. And I sent her a message one day and I and I said, you know, I think we're looking at this weekend, do you think you can come out here? And that kind of thing. And I sent it off and I just got totally neutral, oh, she's not going to be there. For that. It was like just completely neutral, there was no worry, there was no anything like that. And and a couple of months later cause the plan would have been like four or five months out, but a couple of months later, unfortunately, very tragically, she passed.
Speaker 2:And when that happened it was such a like. But the reason I bring this up is because when I had that initial like oh, she won't be there, there was no fear, anxiety, worry attached to it at all, because I was just like, oh, she's not going to make it, like it just, it just was a sense of like she won't be able to make it that weekend or whatever. I didn't, I wasn't worried about it, but that and again, that was almost two years ago. Um, but that and again.
Speaker 2:That was almost two years ago, but that was one of those first real um, as I said, affirmations of like oh, there was something I was picking up on, something about her absence, that for that get together weekend. Yeah, that get together weekend. Yeah, you know. So it's just, it's that was that. That was one of the first big ones that I could um recognize the difference between that neutrality.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then you know just being like anxious about something or worried about something happening.
Speaker 1:Do you feel that, now that you've kind of and did you well, two questions, so one, did you have like a spiritual journey that led you to astrology, or is astrology kind of the beginning of your spiritual journey? Do you feel?
Speaker 2:You know it's so, it's complicated. I think that astrology in a lot of ways has led me to my spiritual journey and also I think I've always been on it Like I can look back as a teenager. I remember very specifically two experiences around. I must have been 14 or 15 when my my first grandparent passed away and there were two experiences that I had that that, like you could not tell me otherwise I I'm convinced that I was sent angels to help me through the process of of losing my grandfather, like clear as day and it was just, like you know, brief passing moments of a person who happened to be where I needed them at that moment to provide comfort. In a certain way, you're living life. It's like I feel like I kind of forgot about that. But also, dance for me was always spiritual. It was always. I mean, it was so many things. It was my form of exercise and my community and my income and my you know, form of artistic expression. But it was always my connection to the, to the ephemeral you know, in itself.
Speaker 2:As a performative art, it's ephemeral and um and, and if you could say it, you wouldn't dance it. So it's like there's this. There's always been this aspect of um, the unexplainable, or the connection to something divine. When you're, when you're out there on a stage, I mean you know you're an actress, right. So like there's that, that sense of um.
Speaker 1:I'm getting off topic, but as no, I was actually an aspect of of the spiritual absolutely.
Speaker 2:That's been like part of you Intangible. Yeah To me and actually the period of time between when I basically stepped away from the dance community, when my last performance was when I was eight weeks pregnant with my oldest child and I kind of dipped my toe back in to do some choreography and stuff like that after my kids were born.
Speaker 2:But that was basically like when I really stepped away and started growing my family. And that period, I would say, of about seven years, when I wasn't dancing really and I hadn't yet found astrology, when I wasn't dancing really and I hadn't yet found astrology, I really was like I felt such a void, such a void and I tried things like I thought, oh, maybe I'll go to a Unitarian church or something, but just like nothing. So I really did feel that lack. So it's it's a to answer your question in a really long way, it's definitely astrology has started a journey for me.
Speaker 2:that, or maybe the word is reinvigorated or given a new um, a new look, but the journey has always been on in a way. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I firmly believe all artists are on a spiritual path. I believe everyone's on a spiritual path, but artists the path of being an artist, is a spiritual one because there's ups and downs and you've got to figure out ways to get through it and to find peace and move forward and let go, and you know it's all the things that go on the spiritual path too. But what I was going to ask about that was do you feel like your intuitive sensibilities have kind of or this confirmation, this affirmation that you're continuing to get these synchronicities? If they're in these little voices, are they coming up more because and from when you got into astrology?
Speaker 1:Not because of, but like as you've reconnected to your spirituality or astrology.
Speaker 2:Yes, I mean absolutely 100%. I think and you know this may sound strange, but I think because for me, astrology was such a way of um like starting as most of us do with our own charts.
Speaker 2:You know, like that's how we get into astrology is like starting to like, delve into our own charts and what it says about me and all of that Um. But there was um, there was such a sense of peace and in the um, in the self-reflection, and then and then like, first it's self-reflection and then it's self-awareness and then it becomes self-acceptance of like these, like I think.
Speaker 2:For so long I felt like, oh gosh, my interests are not the ones that are like I'm not good at what I'm supposed to be good at. I'm not. You know, like I'm not. Society is the things that I'm, that I feel called to, are not the things that are valued by society. I mean hello.
Speaker 2:I was a trolliter, Like, and so I kept trying to like, oh like, shooting on myself and telling myself like I need to fit into this category. But then once I started to get into astrology and I saw in my chart like I'm not supposed to be good at those things, Like these are supposed to be my gifts, and that allowed for this new self-acceptance. That then allowed for me to start listening more to instead of negating so much yeah, and so I think the-.
Speaker 1:I'm going to be great if I could just have like a little like chart thing, like know just be like look, my chart says I'm not supposed to do this. So yeah yeah, it's exactly my wheelhouse, see yeah wheelhouse and it's not in there yeah, it's not, and that's okay.
Speaker 2:there's other people for whom that's the right thing to do, exactly yeah, and so I think that, um, the just internal, like the lessening of the self negation, allowed for more of the um of those things coming online. Yeah, Specifically.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about that. So, what in your chart do you do? You see, that shows you like we had talked and said that. You know, other people have looked at it and you and you know that, like people, you're highly intuitive or even psychic. And, um, I have a weird feeling about psychic. The word psychic, yeah, I know it exists, but I always feel like there's so many different variables that could happen in any given moment. Yeah, you know so, um, but I guess that's the same with the chart too, right? So, like, there's all these different, uh, possibilities of how the soul can navigate in this. You know, uh, 3d sculpture, yeah, the chart, but there are points like that and again, please correct me if I'm wrong, because this is like I'm testing my understanding now but, like the nodes, the fate nodes and things, there are some fated events that will happen, maybe not specifically the same way in every scenario, but points of action that have to happen within the chart.
Speaker 2:Does that make sense? Am I making sense of that? Yeah, but there's some kind of archetypal theme, archetypal experience that Will show up. You know, and again the circumstances could be, there's all different ways that could show up, but yes, so getting back to that question, sorry, I went way off tangent.
Speaker 1:But the question is what is it in your chart that that Resonated for you, that made you go? Ok, this is the right path for me.
Speaker 2:You know, this makes sense, yeah, well.
Speaker 1:I, I am a.
Speaker 2:Pisces rising and a lot of people say the water signs in general, which are Pisces, cancer and Scorpio. Well, one thing that they used to say about the water signs were that they are mute, which means they're not verbal, they're feeling, they're emotional. And so often people say that the water signs are very intuitive, like Pisces tends to be kind of energetically and emotionally porous. Yeah, and so I have a Pisces rising, I have a cancer moon, so I have a water moon. That's very again, there's that womb knowing that it's not um, it's not psychic in a premonitory sense, but it's a very um, like intuitive feeling, somatic, maybe, somatic intuition, um, and then I have a uh, pretty close, like very close conjunction between Mercury, which is the planet of the mind, and Uranus, which is the kind of planet of lightning, strike ideas, and in Scorpio.
Speaker 2:So I have those in the ninth house, which is the house associated with astrology and divination.
Speaker 2:So, so I have a lot. I do have that, all of that water elements that I think for me oh and I also, I also have my son in Sagittarius is it's wide but conjunct Neptune, so you have some Neptune contact, which Neptune is the planet associated with dreams and fantasy and spirituality, and all of that is connected to my son as well. So I do have a chart that that there's. But, that being said, there's all different ways that you can find intuition or psychic abilities or, um and well, partly because, as we both have said, we think we all have this intuitive- right.
Speaker 1:Where is it showing up and how?
Speaker 2:like how does it?
Speaker 1:express itself intuitive right.
Speaker 2:Where is it showing up and how, like, how does it express itself? You can find in a lot of different ways. A lot of people say, um the, if they have strong placements in fourth, fourth house, eighth house, twelfth house, because those are kind of liminal space houses, or um, well, the fourth isn't so much liminal but it's private. It's that kind of a cold space down there. Um, yeah, water moons, I think, in particular, or, or you know, there's there's a neptune context on the ascendant or something like that, you know?
Speaker 1:yeah, I think I also have the neptune on the ascendant. Yes, right next to next to it. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, which is a very um, like, uh, spirited sign. It's an instinctual um in the way that fire is, because Sagittarius is a fire sign, yeah, um, in that sense, like it's, it's, it's inspired and instinctual, kind of intuitive sign, um, yeah. So there's lots of ways that you can see it in people's charts. I think those are probably the big ones for me is my, my water places and my son, neptune.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. And so when you see and you read someone's chart, what, um, like, what is it that like? I'm on this kick right now with this word special spark? Cause I feel like we all have our little special spark, that thing that gives us joy. You know, like the little, the little light within our hearts right Makes you feel like a kid and want to skip. You know what I mean. So, um, where was I going with this?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, so what?
Speaker 1:is the special spark that, that um you get when you read someone's chart.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh. I mean, I think it would be different for for everyone.
Speaker 1:Um Well, the process of it, I oh, yeah well you know, what I mean um, like is it something along like? I'm just curious, like, is it the connecting with them? Is it the? Is it helping kind of empower them into their, their um possibilities? Is it helping them trust everything they're already feeling and know instinctually?
Speaker 2:Yeah, do you know what I mean? Yeah, I think there is a. You know, when I'm meeting with someone, generally it's on like there's certain questions or topics that they want to focus on. So that's going to draw my mind and I to different places based on what, the kind of what the question is. But I think it's in it. There's something in listening. There's something in listening to what they're saying and listening for the archetype, adam. In his third year class. We do several lectures. There's one about finding the snake, so there's different ways of referring to it, like what is that? What is the thing?
Speaker 2:So, it's different ways of referring to it, like what is that? What is the thing? So it's in hearing something. It's like hearing this story, the archetype of the story when they're speaking. And then one of my main goals I'm not like I have a couple of colleagues who are astrologers, who are also kind. You are a coach. I don't think of myself as a coach so much. One of my main goals is in that validation is in just hoping that someone feels seen just hoping that someone feels seen.
Speaker 2:So I think that's for me, that's what it is is listening for the archetypes, listening for what the nugget is, you know, yeah, and then trying to apply it to the symbols that are speaking in the chart so that they feel validated and seen, and then then again to have a similar experience, like I had, where there's that self acceptance of whatever it is. I don't know if I'm answering your question at all, but I think that's what it is is that it's in listening and then and then trying to validate and reflect reflect back.
Speaker 1:Letting them feel seen. Yeah, I mean, I feel the same way about what I do, just a reading. If someone doesn't want the coaching, like yeah, that's the thing it's like when people feel seen, it's like.
Speaker 1:That to me is like the special spark that feels so good, you know, to feel, for them to feel so good, you know, yeah, that feels really yummy yeah if you okay, here's another question, if you um would say like one thing that may help someone kind of um, because there's a lot of information out there on astrology now, right and um, what might be one nugget if somebody is kind of curious about astrology right now and using their intuitive um voice within it, what would you recommend that either they look at or um explore to kind of feel how and where their intuitive voice might be best heard?
Speaker 2:I think um be being discerning, like listening, for if, if what you're what you're hearing, reading, seeing is very sensational or very provocative, like in the titles, or what's getting you to click on it, and it is, like you said, kind of starting to actually create anxiety or um, or almost. I think that I think for so many of us myself included I am not counting myself out of this but especially after the the you know, 2020, a lot of us felt this kind of addiction to like drama, to like like the next addiction to the feeling of like you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I think I think to be discerning, if, if that is what you're feeling and what you're hearing is always sensational. It's like every, every transit is going to be like world changing and life changing it's like how can we have that?
Speaker 1:I guess I know there's a big astrology this year but like everyone's like this is the time we're going to, the new order for my like what? Like tomorrow it's going to be a different world outside.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think, listen for that. If that's what you're hearing, then maybe that's not. That don't mean that's not the way you want to pursue. You know, keep going down that road because it's just, um, it is kind of fodder for anxiety or for just kind of rubbing up your nervous system. I think, um, but uh, so on the other side of that, I think just can just um, listening to different people, if you find, or reading different books, um, I, I tend to be a I listen to podcasts, but I don't, I don't read I have like 8 000 astrology books that I've started and haven't finished.
Speaker 2:But listening and then finding the ones that you, that you resonate with, yeah, and then pursue them. Like for some people, hellenistic astrology is it's too or it's too, you know it's not their thing. And if you listen to someone who's an evolutionary astrologer like Ari Moshe Wolf is an incredible evolutionary astrologer Like, just listen to the people that you resonate with and then follow that lead, again, it's like listening to your intuition and also give yourself time and space to let things be absorbed, because it is like a huge new language and there's, there's, a lot of pieces of information. There's, there's and there's a lot of pieces of information. It can feel overwhelming. So give yourself grace that you're not going to be able to absorb it all and learn this whole. I mean, I think this is going to be a lifelong study for me. I'm always going to be learning more about it, so don't like be hard on yourself if. If it's not sinking in cause, it will sink in. That piece of it will when the time is right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, so I think I would say that, but then obviously you know I'm biased. I think, if you are looking for a Hellenistic school, adam's Adam Ellenbos at Nightlight Astrology is like he's doing something really special out there, especially with teaching still teaching all of his classes live himself, which is like such a generous gift of his time. You know so many teachers. They record their lectures, which is great too, you know, but he's still actually in the classroom space with you live, which is amazing.
Speaker 1:Emily, how can people get a hold of you if they want a reading?
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a couple of different ways. I am one of the alumni readers for Nightlight Astrology's new affordable reading service, so you can book a reading with me through that. Um, if you go to nightlightastrologycom and you go to the book, a reading tab and there, or um you can go to my website. Emily to Tomercom. Um, I'm also an Instagram at Emily t astrology and hoping I've been kind of putting a few of just the same reels that I do on instagram up on youtube, but that I'm I need to kind of launch youtube. But if, when I do, that will also be emily t astrology on youtube, wonderful as well, yeah thank you so much.
Speaker 1:Thank you you. This is so much fun.
Speaker 2:I love talking to you. I love it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's, and it's, it's very like astrology, obviously, you feel like is an intuitive um medium.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not always, not always, not always. I mean, and I feel like there's so much of it now that, um, yeah, it's hard to discern what's the fear-based, sensationalized astrology and what is, yeah, um, just truly resonating with your intuition? Yeah, in in, uh, in the astrology structure or the structure of astrology anyway. So, thank you so much and I will put all your stuff in the notes and so people can find you, yeah okay, this was fantastic.
Speaker 2:Thank you, that's so much fun. All right, take care bye.
