Peanut Butter, Jelly, And Spirits Walk Into A Podcast

We trade labels for clarity and show how anyone can hear their intuition by shrinking fear, tracking signs, and letting the body lead. Michelle Burke shares trauma-triggered awakenings, ethical mediumship, and a practical codebook for reading messages in everyday life.

• defining intuition with the peanut butter and jelly model
• trauma as catalyst and nature as early messenger
• building a personal symbol dictionary rather than using books
• how songs, thoughts, and animals deliver messages
• ethics of consent when delivering readings in public
• three circles of validation for mediumship accuracy
• neurodivergence as a doorway to fluid, playful attention
• practical tools: angel journaling and body-based cues
• details on psychic detective class and live case process
• upcoming book signings, pendulum class, and unity church talk

Michelle Birk: https://www.talktoanangel.org/

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Chapters

• 0:00 Meet Michelle Burke
• 2:08 Books, Decks, And Creative Flow
• 4:53 Defining Intuition In Plain Language
• 6:56 The Peanut Butter And Jelly Model
• 12:16 Trauma As An Intuitive Catalyst
• 16:46 Nature As The First Messenger
• 21:36 Neurodivergence And Spiritual Sensitivity
• 27:56 Codes, Symbols, And Validation
• 33:36 Ethics Of Delivering Messages
• 38:36 Building Your Personal Symbol Dictionary
• 43:16 Practical Tools: Journals And Songs
• 47:36 Upcoming Events And Classes

Transcript

SPEAKER_04: 0:29

Hi, welcome to Intuitive Insights Podcast. I am your no BS Woo-woo coach, Megan McDonough. Here to help you tune in to your intuitive skills because everybody is intuitive. And today I have an amazing intuitive, more than that, uh guest. Welcome Michelle Burke. Michelle is a hi. Um Michelle's a psychic medium. She is a metaphysical educator. She's an author. She has four decades of experience uh in this realm. She does do free readings on TikTok. I'll be sure to put that um your account in the notes, the show notes for everyone to follow you. And she shell covers topics like Reiki healing, shadow work, past life regression, aura photography, which I'm very interested in. Uh, she also has, which I'm also very interested in, a psychic detective class, both live and on Zoom. Is that correct, Michelle? Correct. Yeah. And then she's also developed uh several oracle decks. One called Talk to an Angel, another called Shy Town Shannon. I'm very curious about how that name came about. Uh The Warrior Woman, and then uh Breaking the Chain, which she uses Breaking the Chain uh Oracle deck in her classes that she teaches. She has authored several books as well. Let's see. The Quest, Breaking the Chain, 30 Days of Healing. Through all of her work, Michelle's mission is to help others discover their own inner light, embrace their metaphysical abilities, as she believes, as do I, we all have them, and find deep healings through the power of our spiritual connection. Welcome, Michelle.

SPEAKER_02: 2:12

Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04: 2:14

That was a whole mouthful, wasn't it? It was a mouthful. You've got a lot. You've got a lot going on here. And I know you said you have another book, too, that I did I not voices with it.

SPEAKER_03: 2:23

There's there's actually two that have come out since the last time we chatted. Um one is um Ink on Her Soul, and that came out a few months ago. And then just last week came out the sequel, which is uh Lucian's um Fallout. So my first book was metaphysical. That's I guess a story in itself, how that came to be. My second one was my memoir with 30 days of healing, because there's a lot of memoirs out there, and they're all about my trials, my tribulations, and all the scars and injuries and damage that's done to you as you're growing up. But I find memoirs to be just somebody releasing. So I wanted mine to be different, and that's why there's 30 days of healing. So it was like, how did I make it through that? So because I want didn't want people just to read and be like, Oh, that her life sucked. So here's yeah. Oh, well. So let's get something out of this. So yeah, that's what my hope is. How do you transform the page something magical? Exactly. And then the last two books have so the first one's metaphysical, second one's memoir, and the last two are just spicy adult books.

SPEAKER_04: 3:22

I love that.

SPEAKER_03: 3:24

It's like it's my fun.

SPEAKER_04: 3:26

Yes, yes. I'd love your perspective on this because I feel that the more we tap into our own, what I call intuitive as a big blanket um statement for all the the medical physical abilities that we're we do own. The more we tap into and connect with that, the more we tap into connect with spirit, source, god, whatever you want to call it, but also into that creative part of self. It almost like explodes it out of us, like we can't help but express ourselves in a creative way.

SPEAKER_03: 3:57

Would you it's like being a child at the playground and you don't know which which ride to get on first?

SPEAKER_04: 4:02

Yes, because it's because that source energy, God energy, whatever is very playful. It's very fluid and fun and creative and um childlike. Very much so.

SPEAKER_01: 4:14

Very much so.

SPEAKER_04: 4:16

And so I'm always curious as to, and I feel like everyone believes they have a sense of intuition, but what that is for each person may not be exactly the same. I feel like there's a thread, but how we define it differently gives a new perspective from this prism that is intuition. So, how do you define intuition for yourself?

SPEAKER_03: 4:40

First, uh, what you said is is is 100% correct. We are labeling, we are labeled society. We have to have a label to understand. So, like, you know, am I clairvoy clairadian, am I clairvoyant? What am I? So we have to have a label just because it makes us feel better about ourselves so we can understand who we are. Um but is it it's it is different for everybody, and the nudges are different for everybody. I use this analogy with my daughter the other day, and she said, all I did is make her hungry. So I don't know if it's gonna work here. So I try to explain to her. I said, okay, we have three voices in our head all day long. We have our conscious voice. Yes. Well, three three, well, actually, we have three major. Let's go with three majors, which include others. Three majors, right. So our conscious voice, like this is the one that says, I want to go to McDonald's. I'm hungry. Okay. Yeah. Then, and I said, I tell I try to explain to her, it's like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I said, you know, you got the bread here, it's my conscious voice. And you know how we need your peanut butter and jelly, it's never as thick as the bread, right? It's the thin layer in between there that you can just see. That's our spirit voices like the peanut butter and the jelly, because it's not as loud as the other two pieces of bread. Okay. So the more that we pay attention to our our that that middle voice, that's the light, that's my angels, my spirit guides, that's my God. That's other that's so when you say more than one, three, yes, but they're all in that middle section. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 6:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 6:02

So they're the ones that say, Don't take Jefferson. And you're like, but I always take Jefferson when I go to McDonald's. Why when I take Jefferson?

SPEAKER_01: 6:07

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 6:08

Because they're trying to protect me or guide me that there's something they don't want me to go that way because it's a warning, right? So then I have the other piece of bread that's the dark voice. And that dark voice is like, no, take Jefferson and excuse me, I don't know if I can swear on here, but fat ass get two cheeseburgers because you're not going to get skinny, anyways. So the dark voice, as I listen to it, the more I listen to this dark this last piece of bread, it turns into Texas toast. It gets bigger and bigger, which is now shrinking my peanut butter and jelly even more so that I can't hear it. So all I'm hearing is the dark voice. The dark voice is what creates animosity, fear, doubt, insecurities. Everything negative is that that piece right there. And the more we listen to that piece, it shrinks the peanut butter and jelly. So we don't get to hear our intuitive side. We hear the dark voice. And we have to have both. We need a yin and yang. But the problem is the dark is so easy to rule us, where the spirit voice is so much more subtle. It's gentle. So we have a choice of, you know, do we which one do we listen to? The more we listen to our spirit guides and our and then we have those nudges and the feeling in your gut or your hair goes, you know, raises in the back of your neck, the more we pay attention to those and we acknowledge that we hear those voices, it's it breaks down that last piece of bread till it's like just the heel of your bread, the loaf. It gets smaller and smaller. Right, right. And then peanut butter jelly becomes stacked on there. And I get that's eventually I live now with just my conscious voice and my spirit voice. Right. Don't get me wrong, occasionally barb-free. Yes, almost farb free. Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_04: 7:41

Almost on my dogs with my peanut butter jelly.

SPEAKER_03: 7:44

I don't know. After I explained to my daughter, she goes, now I just want a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, mom. Thanks. Okay. That went right over your head. Okay.

SPEAKER_04: 7:51

Well, that's true. I haven't heard it explained that way before. And I really, I like that a lot because that's it's again, that's another write a book. I want more peanut butter and jelly. Peanut butter and jelly. It's another perspective from the prism that is this metaphysical space that we are. I feel like so. When I look at it, it's like um, so we have our physical self, you know, that is rooted in that dark voice. You know, because it's rooted in fear, because it's transient. If you're not transient, you don't have to fear being extinct because you're not going to be. You're eternal. And that soul voice is eternal. So it doesn't own fear, it doesn't have any fear attached to it. I wish I knew where I was going with that. It was beautiful though, whatever it was. I'm telling you, this perimenopause is like we mix that with my ADHP, and it's like I can't even you know what it is? When I was younger, I could take the I could take the I forgot what the hell I was saying and just bullshit my way until I figured out some kind of end. But now with the paramenopause, I just don't even care. I'll just say, no, I have no idea what I'm talking about. So I started on that road, it sounded it was it was it was good. It was good. People listening, people watching, it was going somewhere beautiful. Yeah. And it works, it may come back. Yeah. And they shouldn't just use their intuition to figure out what you were saying.

unknown: 9:16

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04: 9:18

It's usually just like a podcast and like try and figure out what I'm saying, like a pre-dementia finish, yeah, finish my thoughts and it'll be beautiful. Yeah, exactly. Where was I going with that? Oh my goodness. I don't know. So I'm gonna ask you my second question. Okay. Somehow we'll bring it all back around. It'll all come back together. That's all right. We're flowing. Which is, and I know you have a pretty profound story on this, so I don't know how much you want to explore it today, but my second question is usually how if you take that intuition, how do you use it in your life, right? But how do you use it in your life? Yes, but even more so, what prompted you to start using it more in your life?

SPEAKER_03: 10:05

It's well, it started on you know, there's a um a lot of different books that you're gonna read, and some will tell you, and I always say that I didn't create any of this, I'm just reinventing things that I've learned, right? So a lot of a lot of books that you'll read will talk about how intuition can be sparked and due to trauma, called trauma intuition, where it boosts, it gives you that kick and that boost because it's almost like the spirit world knows, oh crap, she's just gone through a whole bad bunch of something. She needs some light, so we're jumping in right now. We need to talk to her loud and clear. Okay. So that's that's trauma intuitive. Others are just are open to it and they're interested in it, which also it's kind of like turning up the volume. So they connect more. And the rest of the world that doesn't connect with one or two, they all think they're just arguing with themselves in their own head every day. And they don't understand that they're not. It's not you're fighting with in your head.

SPEAKER_04: 11:00

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 11:00

They can't distinguish and decide what so for me, my first it was interesting because my first day. Yeah. Yeah. My first excuse me, that usually happens when somebody steps into my room that has crossed over because um they were choking or had something down their throat, like tubes down their throat. So I don't know who, if it's somebody connected to tubes down their throat. Yeah, so they're trying to cut off my speech, um, just to get my attention. But I'll get things like that all the time. Like all of a sudden I my nose will start running in a crowd of people, and I didn't realize I'm around an addict. It's just a code for them. Like, we've got an addict in the room, you know, pay attention. So yeah, so they use my body a lot to make me feel things around people, which can be very annoying. But so as far as for me, I want to say mine was triggered. Um, it was trauma triggered. Um, but the ironic part about it is it literally started the day before the trauma. So mine was my yeah, because my we had my family and I, it was my father, my sister, my grandma. We went on vacation. It was our first night on vacation, and my father was leaving to go meet his brother. They were gonna go out, and I begged him not to go. I knew I wasn't gonna see him again. And I literally was crying and begging and said, Please don't go, please don't go. And he's like, I'll be back, Shelly, I'll be back. And I'm like, but you won't. And I woke up in the morning and he was gone. He didn't even make it to the the bar that they were going to. He died on the road. So that was the beginning for me. That's when I when like the answers were like, She she needs it right now. So they started communicating first through insects. I mean, and it always sounds ridiculous, but Michelle's quest talks about the first voice I ever distinguished different than my own voice. So it wasn't even my own voice in my mind. It was a completely different voice. Was I walking and I almost stepped on an ant and I heard it say, Don't step on me. And I became my foot was stuck in the air and I looked down, there's a little ant looking at me. And he didn't seem so little looking at me, and he's like, I just want to go home. And I like moved my foot and like, okay, so sorry. And after that point, it was very hard for me to walk because I'm always watching my feet to make sure I don't step on things. And the next thing you know, I'm it's raining out, and the worms are all hitting the streets, and I'm running the streets trying to pick up all the worms and get them back to the side of the streets that we hit by cars. So it was very traumatic as a child to try to control all the little creatures. And then I realized I could hear the trees talk to me, and then I could hear the squirrels talk to me. So it started with nature.

SPEAKER_04: 13:15

Yeah, because yeah, you just reminded me. I gotta tell you this, this is so ridiculous. It just reminded me of something. But so when I was young, you know, probably like five, six, seven, something like that. I was six. Right. I there was a dog named Happy on our block, and then we had a big tree in front of our house, and we were getting, I think I'm pretty sure we're getting ready to go to school. And I was definitely, I grew up in Springfield, Illinois. So, you know, that big mecco. So I was um for sure gonna be discovered as a singer, actress, whatever, you know, on my small street in a random part of town in Springfield. I was gonna be an actress. Yeah. Were you in my mind? Well, yeah, I'm I am so I think it's still in my mind too. But so I was outside, I was always singing, making up songs, you know, like about like how I was feeling, you know, which is ironic because I'm not a big musical fan, but that's exactly what. So I was like, Oh, today is gonna be beautiful. You know, whatever, right? Uh-huh. And the squirrel kind of turned and started looking at me. And then happy the dog came over and started barking. And then we were like singing together. And I was like, oh my God, we're all communicating. And my mom came outside and she was like, Stop singing, get in the car, let's go. You know, and I was like, I was like, but we're talking, we're communicating. She's like, shut up, get in the car, we're late. And I was like, oh, okay. But I I had this moment where I was like, oh, a St. Francis of a Sisi, right there.

SPEAKER_03: 14:45

Do you know what I mean? I had to write a note when you said that because I truly believe like stuff like that when you said you're never really much into musicals. I truly believe that's something you brought from a past life. So you had that, yeah. So that's how we get these little nudges, like I want to be or I want to do, and then we're doing it. We're like, I really was never meant to be. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 15:02

And so it's like something happened. I was a performer. It was what I've heard a couple of times. Something happened, I was a performer, and it stopped me from continuing to perform. So that does ring true. I have heard that before.

SPEAKER_03: 15:14

Yeah. I think yeah, you carried it with you, and you're like, oh, I always tell people when you get those random nudges, like, oh, I should go take a pottery class. And you're like thinking to yourself, why would I take a pottery class? I've never been interested in pottery, and this is actually what happened to me.

SPEAKER_05: 15:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 15:28

So I took a pottery class with my husband, like, okay, had a great time and left. And I was like, okay, I hope you're happy. We did it for you. But but it was something I believe from a past life that was like, can we go get our hands in some pottery? And I was like, okay, we'll do it. But hope you're content with it, which actually was really funny because guess who we we ended up meeting the day of the pottery class? Was Dolly Pardon. Stop it. Where? In Lamont, downtown Lamont. She was filming The Last Dance. Right next to the pottery place. Yeah. Well, that's pottery place. I know. They were taking her out the back door, and we had our door wide open. And she's like, hello, y'all. Very good, Dolly Pardon. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_02: 16:02

I was gonna be an act. Kind of past life.

SPEAKER_04: 16:04

Oh my God. Yes. Yes. I have always had this thing, like, I think when I'm older, I'm gonna be like I've had this vision that I'm gonna have like some kind of as I like. I never think about retirement. That sounds boring to me. Yeah. Like, um, so I always like I'm gonna work my way right into the grave. Exactly. Just because like to me, work is something that you love, not something you do, which is 100%. This probably is very um mean, you know, that's telling. So, but I started to do I actually have pottery right here on my floor. I do. And because I started doing, I started like playing around with like air dry clay, because I'm like, I can't get into like a kiln and all that crap. Yeah. But um, I mean I want to crazy that we just brought that up though.

SPEAKER_03: 16:50

Isn't that kind of strange? How the universe like pottery?

SPEAKER_04: 16:54

And I'm and I just like and I got like real into it for like a couple of months this summer where I was just like, if I don't get my hands in some clay right now, like I'm gonna lose my mind. And then I was like, this is definitely not a new ADHD phase. Yeah. No, it totally was.

SPEAKER_03: 17:09

But it's an old, it's no, but it no, but it it is like I know I'm gonna go there at some point in my life. But it's resin from the past because do you know how many different things I've got into? I sat down with like my bracelets that I have. I've sold hundreds and hundreds of bracelets, crystal bracelets. And I think with last count, because after we did a mentor from Alaska about there, I still have 400 that are that I still have left to sell if you're selling probably about 800 of them. So like I had my crystal bracelets, I had my crystal bracelets. I don't know. And then I had to start making candles and I had to make candles. And I don't believe that this is part of our, I think part of what AD like being ADD, because that's what I am. I think that's part of literally just having too much connection to the past.

SPEAKER_04: 17:48

Well, yes, I also think it's like we're so I believe we're very good yes anders. And so, and and the intuitive um, you know, spirit realm is very fluid, right? And it's and it comes and pops up. Whereas, like, say quote unquote neurotypical, and I am not a doctor, so this isn't, you know, whatever, but this is just my experienced perspective, is that a neurotypical person will see that like visual or hear that voice or whatever, and they will align with that Texas toast part of the bread, yeah, and say, that's bullshit, get it away. Why would that pop up? And then they're in this thing of like, why is this get away? You make no sense. Yeah. Whereas we don't like making sense.

SPEAKER_03: 18:29

No, we'd like to fly. So we're like, whoa, what is that though?

SPEAKER_04: 18:34

And we just yes and it, you know? And then that's just that keeps us open and curious and connected. I also feel, and this is just a personal thought, that a lot of the neuro uh divergent emergence that's coming through right now, people identifying or understanding or knowing that there's more identity of neurodivergent brains coming into this earth are to help us as humanity elevate towards that higher connection of the energetic side, the spirit side of ourselves.

SPEAKER_03: 19:10

Get out of the tar is what I tell people all the time. Get out of the tar, you're stuck. You need to tip get out of the tar.

SPEAKER_04: 19:16

Yes. It's funny you say that because when I see depression and fear, either fear or depression, it comes across to me as a black tar. Yeah. You're stuck.

SPEAKER_01: 19:26

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04: 19:27

Yeah. Yeah, I don't ascribe colors to any other emotions except for I have gray, brown, and black. That's it. Interesting. Yeah. Because like gray is confusion to me, brown is doubt, and black is fear or depression.

SPEAKER_03: 19:42

I see red too, like when I see around people that are very angry.

SPEAKER_04: 19:45

Well, yeah, that that's true. I do see that sometimes too.

SPEAKER_03: 19:48

As an aura. It's really hard because I don't, you know, it's funny you're saying that because I'm having to think about colors, and a color I never see, which is interesting, is orange or yellow. Hmm. I do see those sometimes. I don't. But I also think part of it has to do with my own personal scars, injury, and perception. Well, that is third or something. So sometimes we get so aligned that. Yeah. So sometimes it's like because we can't see things because we're seeing it through our own story instead of their story. Which is interesting. Yes. And I tell people all the time, clean your glasses. I'm like, clean your glasses.

SPEAKER_04: 20:20

You're not the same thing. That's exactly what I was just going to say. And I wanted to actually talk to you because I'm psychic. I knew that. Yeah. So I wanted to ask you. Um I thought about this the other. This popped into my head the other day, and I was like, huh, interesting. And it popped into my head again now. So we're going to talk about it. How do you discern and how have you discern? Well, so a couple things here. So I wrote this down. Like, how do you discern um well first of all, how how do you experience your whatever you want to call it, Claire's psychic abilities, metaphysical abilities, and how do you how do you experience them? And and then how have you learned to discern them as different pieces of bread or peanut butter and give.

SPEAKER_03: 21:04

I'll start with the first part. So as you can see, like when I was drinking the water, like before I had to drink the water because something was closing off. Okay. So a lot of times when I'm around people or I'm in a session with somebody, I literally will feel my body, they will let me feel it. So I will feel your backache, my hips gonna hurt. I'm they're gonna let me feel it. But they don't, I don't have to keep it. But I notice until somebody until I get them to acknowledge it, they're like they're gonna keep poking me. Like, come on, Michelle, get them to say it. And then I'm like, I'm like, okay, you can stop. I feel you.

SPEAKER_01: 21:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 21:36

I can feel you. You can stop that. So some of it is physical. Some of it feel-feel. Huh? I call that the feel-feel. Yeah, I don't like that sometimes. I'm like, okay, you can stop. Like, yeah. Um uh other ways that um that my intuition kicks in is besides the physical aspect of it and like feeling people's trauma, how they cross, or the last thing they remember before they cross, they'll experience that like like when I do a reading, I literally will feel a lot of physical stuff hitting me. Um and then I can go to the scene, like I see you phase and I hear you phase. So I they start talking to me, and it's really kind of funny because I I've had this happen a lot this week. I don't know if it's just because of where everything's lining up in the universe right now, but I've had a lot of I call them smart ass spirits where they're just having they just think they're funny, and I don't mean in a bad way.

SPEAKER_04: 22:27

That's so funny you say that because I was and this actually happened right before I got your text. Yes. Okay. You know, because I was like laying down, I was like, oh, I hope she was okay with rescheduling because I had a bad headache yesterday and we were supposed to record. And a friend of mine who is crossed over who I haven't seen in a long time, or you know, I haven't thought about in a long time. Oh my god, I just remembered this. She she came to me and she was I started laughing out loud. I was just like, why am I I didn't even know what I was laughing? I didn't even know what we were laughing about, but I was like, I was really laughing. And then she was trying to show me something, which I have to now look into because I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_03: 23:08

Um I love when we have a conversation with somebody and it brings a bell of something that we kind of just put under the rug, and it's like, oh crap, take it back out from under the rug because I'm forced to deal with that.

SPEAKER_04: 23:17

Yes, I was like, oh, I will look into that, and then I forgot. I'm glad to thank you. Thank you for that. No problem.

SPEAKER_03: 23:23

Okay, so no, but so sometimes and it's and it's funny because I had somebody not that long ago who had said that it's so funny because when I read somebody, I literally I take somebody's, I don't know if I have any in here, I take somebody's full name, and then and the reason why is because and I we talked about this. Yes, yeah. So then I literally start it starts telling me a story about them. So I just literally start like scribbling, right? Yes, and then and then I have to figure out what the heck I wrote, which is the hard part. Um yeah, so um, but somebody said to me, she goes, It's so cool to watch you work. And I was like, Oh, interesting, yeah. I was like, and she goes, No, between your facial expressions, your schnickers, and it's because I'm having these full-blown conversations with them in my head, right? And they're just watching me, and I'm like, I must really look kind of ridiculous, to be honest with you, because you know, like it's just a woman.

SPEAKER_04: 24:07

Honestly, it's like so that's this the other phase of it now, yeah. Okay, so you see, now I want to go back to this. So when you see, this is what I want to clarify for those who uh because I ran into this with someone recently and you know who had somebody cross over, and that person came to me, and this is how I explain it, and tell me if you have a different um perspective on this. That when someone crosses over and the person's attention that they want to get for the message they want to give is resistant to listening, right? They find it again, say it again. So let's say let's let's call let's call it Janie, all right? Janie's friend Jill crossed over. I am terrible when I do this, but I don't know Jenny. Janie's a friend, Jill crossed over. Okay. Jill has a message for Janie. Yes. But Janie doesn't really believe that she can hear Jill because she's not seeing Jill and Jill's gone. Yes, yes. So Jill goes, all right, who can I get to I talk to who is closest to Janie and will deliver this message for me? 100%.

SPEAKER_03: 25:11

Who can hear me that I can get her to that's what I explain to people when okay, so I tell people before I read them, there's three circles that they can show me if they choose to. Yeah. The first circle is they will tell me and share stuff with me just to validate I'm talking to your person. Yes, yes, yes. Okay. The second circle is family, friends, and associates. I call it a dial-up. Once they know that the veil is up and they're like, yo, Michelle, can you hear me? They rush in. They're like, jump in because I gotta get a hold of Susie next door. Right, right. So I'm gonna be telling you something. I want to know who this guy is. I know, because they're like irritating you. Like that's why I'm like, all right, stop. So they're they're telling me something. I'm gonna say, I and I'll tell the sitter, I'm like, okay, if I say something and you're like, well, I don't know who that's for, I'm gonna be like, I want you to hold this because you're gonna have a conversation with somebody else. And then I swear to God, nine out of 10 times I get a text message that says, Oh my God, I was talking to Johnny down the street, and he was like, Don't you remember Susie? Because he needed to hear the message. If she just dismissed it and didn't have a conversation, then Susie's up there going, Here we go again, I gotta wait for the next round. Then the third circle is if they choose to, they can share with me somebody's physical, mental, or spiritual state of mind that's sitting in front of me. Yes, that's true. Yes, that is true. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 26:24

Um, so this is the other thing I want to say, because like, so when I was dealing with someone who was trying to connect with the person who crossed over, who did come to me and and I was, you know, and I was like, you know, it's always hard to know how open people are to that kind of message. If you're not super close. So um I had been getting messages on, you know, on and off. And I was I was telling the person who was wanting the message because not only do I feel like it's something that I want for whatever this is that I'm doing, but also I felt like was part of what they wanted as well, but the crossed over person was for them to be able to connect and communicate with them. So we had a couple things, and and this person was like, I'm not I'm not getting it. I'm not getting I'm super intuitive and I'm not seeing it. And I was like, Well, it's not gonna happen like Obi-Wan Kenobi is gonna come in front of you. Like it's not like so. My question is to you, because for me, it could be a thought. Like if like my friend thinking of my friend, I could have yesterday in bed, I could have gone, oh, that's funny. I thought of my friend.

SPEAKER_03: 27:37

Right.

SPEAKER_04: 27:37

But she visited me. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03: 27:39

It's the I tell I yes, and I tell people all the time, they don't you didn't just randomly think of your friend. That's right. They literally are pushing themselves into your mind. Yes, they're like, hello, hello. And you know what they're stop, huh? Because they don't stop. Like that's hello, hello. Yeah, it's a it's like a I call it a poke, like he poke. So you pay attention, like, all right, I got you. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 28:03

Um, so my go my guess my question is so for you for that.

SPEAKER_03: 28:07

So yeah, is it something in that comes pops to your mind or so so during so much like because I work, I I I've gotten really bad about this part of my life now. I try to stay out of stores as much as possible. I spend way too much money door dashing and Amazoning because I don't want to be in the crowd anymore. Because when I was younger, it didn't it didn't bother me so much, but there's so much noise in a store. But I also work in a building that in a beauty school in Lamont and then a nail school in Juliet, where there's like 50 students in one building, and they I always say nobody came out of those doors on accident. They have all of their traumas and hurts and pains, and they bring them in there for healing, and it's not just for the the trade itself. Sometimes that I have to be very careful when I walk in those doors to keep the veil down because I'm like, okay, yes, just keep it down. Uh unfortunately, sometimes when it comes to spirit, they don't like the veil being down. And just like I always picture it like, you know, when you pull your slap your shade down and it flaps back up. Yeah, yeah, like I pull it down when I'm done with my work and I close it like we're closing the shade. Exactly. And then occasionally I'd be walking and they whip it back up and I'm like, I'm closing the shade. But there's times where like, no, this is important, Michelle. Hear me. And I'm like, okay, I guess we're we're working. After I do a reading, I don't, it's gone. But whatever happened in that reading, it's gone. I only remember pieces of it when I was like, holy crap, that was wild. Holy crap, that was weird.

SPEAKER_05: 29:24

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 29:25

Um, and then I remember those. Um, and I actually said I was gonna start writing them down because I knew they dissipate after a while. But my husband is the one who reminded me of this situation. We were in Alabama, it was me, him, and my daughter, and we were at a restaurant, and the veil, and I'm pulling it down, it's going back up, and it's a gentleman. And and if it wasn't for my husband be telling the story to my neighbor, I would have been like, I was like, that's really what happened. And he's like, Yeah, it was crazy. So I was like, Oh, there's somebody here, and they're he's pointing at this table of four ladies, and he wants me to go talk to them. And I'm like, I'm not doing this, I'm not working. Stop. So I'm trying to pull the bale down, and this is the part I don't remember. My husband's telling the name goes, Yeah, and then she goes to the bathroom and she comes back and she's like, Okay, now he's following me in the bathroom. And she and so he's like, and my daughter's like, Oh, here we go, mom. Oh, here we go.

SPEAKER_04: 30:10

You mean like like you're saying that the crossed over person was following you?

SPEAKER_03: 30:13

They were following me and they like they were like poking me, like, do you have to do this, you have to tell her something. And I'm like, I'm not doing it, I'm not working. I this is I'm not intruding in somebody's lunch dinner here. Okay, they don't know me. And and so he wasn't gonna stop. And then my husband tells the name she does, and then all of a sudden I was like, Okay, stop. I will go over there. So I and I don't remember what was happening and transpiring between him and I up until that point. But I do remember walking to this table with the four ladies sitting there, and you know, there's so much ethical uh backlash backlash on this. So if you are going to do that, you must make sure that you tell them who you are, what you are. And now they open to hear because you can't just walk up and blurt it out. Um so I walked up and I explained who I am. You know, I'm Shell, you know, I'm a psychic medium, and I have somebody here is trying to get you a message really bad, and I'm really sorry. And I was really waiting for them to throw holy water I need. I'm like, I'm really, really sorry, but I just if I don't tell you this, he's not gonna stop. Do you want the message? And they're like looking at me like, okay. And I don't even remember what the message was, but I do remember the reaction. I remember the lady started crying and they said, You don't know how bad we needed to hear that today. It's the anniversary of his crossing, that's why we're here. So he just wanted to let them, and I don't even know what the message was, but it was like kind of like let them know I know, let them know. And so then after that, then he went away, and I was like, Okay, I can finish my dinner now.

SPEAKER_04: 31:29

Yeah. Yeah, and that's okay. So I wrote a couple things down that I wanted to say too, but off that, to me, like that makes me want to cry because it's like that's the magic. A hundred percent. I have a little saying, make magic today, but it's mostly just like be open to it because it's there. You know, and if you look for it, you see it everywhere.

SPEAKER_03: 31:51

I remember one time I was getting a massage and I could hear this woman in my head saying, just say Peterson, Peterson. And I'm lying there, I'm like, I'm not saying Peterson. And she went stop, she's like, Say Peterson. And I'm like, Nope, not doing it. They're gonna think I'm crazy. Finally, when she went stop, and I finally said, Does the name Peterson mean something to you? And she stopped massaging me and she goes, That's my grandma's name. I said, She just wants you to know she's here. Can we finish my massage now?

SPEAKER_02: 32:16

No. Like, does it always gotta be right, you guys? And I have my massage.

SPEAKER_04: 32:21

I know. Well, okay, so on that, like, how do you like we talked a little bit about it? You got your curtain, you know, energetic curtain, but but there are, you know, like ER issues sometimes where they're like, this is an after hours call. And we have we have authority over your physical being.

unknown: 32:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 32:39

My I had a a friend of mine and her brother, he had crossed, and there was always questions about his crossing. And he would come to me so much at nighttime, and I would be like, Let me call her. And I'd be like, Okay, he's here. All right, let's go. And I was just let's go, let's keep going. And then, but it was like he knew for and this went on for months, where like a couple times a week, he would use me to talk to her. And then finally it just kind of he quieted down. And I think he quieted down because he's like, I think I gave her enough to give her peace. She just needed to keep talking to me, and I gave her enough. Now she should be able to start healing.

SPEAKER_04: 33:14

Yeah. And and then he stopped to him.

SPEAKER_03: 33:16

She could talk to them, you know, exactly.

SPEAKER_04: 33:18

Um, I had to I wrote this down. You know, those weird, sticky things that stick with you? Uh-huh. I wanted to ask your opinion on this or your your insights on this. Do you think that those things, those weird, sticky things that stick with you are stick with you because they're also meant for you?

SPEAKER_02: 33:34

Maybe some of them, but some of them are just because they're weird. Oh, okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 33:40

So I there's fair enough. I was doing um a gallery reading once and it was, and you know, and I was talking to my spirit guides on the way there, because I'm like, listen, and I have this conversation with them every time I do a gallery. Listen, there's going to be 47 grandparents in there. So if you guys are going to try to come through, I need you to be really specific because I cannot be like somebody's grandfathers here and them all raise their hand. I need specifics, guys. Work with me, don't play with me. So I got to this gallery, and then the sister had come through. And of course, you know, a couple people raised their hands. So I'm like, keep talking to me, honey. We need to break this down. I told you specifics. And so she got me blonde hair, and now we're down to two people. And I'm like, keep going, keep going. She threw out a couple more things, and it was almost like she was being funny because it was still aligning, and I'm like, I need more, because they both wanted it to be their person, right? You know, they wanted it. Of course. And so I'm looking at the floor because I'm like just concentrating, and I went blind. I couldn't see. Scared the crap out of me. I'm blinking several times, like I can't see. And so then all of a sudden I looked up and my eyesight came back. And I said, I don't know what happened to her eyes, but she took my eyesight away from me. And then the one sister started bawling, and I felt so bad because she said, We donated my sister's eyes. I'm like, And she's like, Does that mean she's blind and heavy now? I said, No, but she took my eyesight just so I knew which one it was. Oh my god, that's so funny.

SPEAKER_04: 34:59

But that's the thing, it's like it takes a different type of brain, and I think that's why I'm feeling this neurodivergent connection to the energetic work, is to understand that it is not the same framework of our physical world. Not at all. You know, I mean, it's not because I don't see you doesn't mean you're not there.

SPEAKER_00: 35:21

It's not, you know, I love the spiritual world more than I like the earth world, I'll be honest with you.

SPEAKER_04: 35:27

And it's so much more positive, you know. And it's just love.

SPEAKER_03: 35:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 35:32

It's just straight love. Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_03: 35:34

I have to tell you something funny about that at that gallery because that's why when he said when he said to stick with you, because as we we concluded that it was hers, I have this man over my corner of the side of me, and he's doesn't have any teeth in. And if you've ever seen somebody who talks with no teeth with temper like this, I don't know. And he's talking like that next to me, and I turn my head, and there's ladies on the side of me, I go, Who buried their husband without his teeth? And the lady goes, I did. I didn't think it'd make a difference. And I said, It did. So then he said to tell her, he goes, he goes, Yeah, I'm surprised she didn't just donate it to the goodwill like she did the rest of my stuff. And she goes, I was going to, but I didn't know if they would take them. Oh my God, that is I said, Would you just go bury his teeth outside, please?

SPEAKER_02: 36:17

Just go bury them.

SPEAKER_03: 36:19

That's hilarious. It was so that one will ever stick for me because I will ever see that man flapping his jaws in my ear. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 36:26

And it's funny too how they kind it it to me, I see it more like energy, right? Like personality energy. Yeah. You know, like it has it has a feeling to it, it has a pace to it, it has that's a majority of mine.

SPEAKER_03: 36:37

A large majority is like that. Yeah. But then they yeah, then they show me their physical side and their traits, and those are fun too. But majority of it is um, yes, feeling and energy. Um, they make me smile, or I I feel like their their sadness from when they were earthbound. Or did I tell you the the one about the elderly lady that I read? I don't know if we talked about this the last time. And uh when I say elderly, like I'm elderly, but she's like could be my grandma elderly. Okay. So like I'm a great grandma, so she could be a greater great grandma. I don't know. Oh, we did talk three times. Yeah. I got 18 grandchildren. Insane. Insane. So she's sitting here and all of a sudden her best friend came through, but her best friend came through with pink go-go boots on. Now, let's think about this. She's a great grandma, okay? So I'm like thinking conservative type my my grandma, you know, I couldn't see my grandma hanging out with somebody with go-go boots because she was always an old person to me, right? Right, right. So I'm like, okay, she's showing me pink boots, and I'm trying to be really careful how I word things. Right, right. She's showing me pink boots, and she starts lying. She goes, That would make sense for my friend. And I was like, Damn, okay, cool friend. Yeah. Well then, and this is how they talk to you in codes and symbols. So I said, next to her is a dog and she's patting the dog's head. And the lady says, That doesn't mean anything to me. And so I'm watching her and I'm like, what are you doing? And she says, Yeah, man's best friend. And I'm like, she's telling me man's best friend. And she's like, No, it's not making any sense. So I'm watching, I'm like, and she's laughing about it, like she's playing with me. And I'm like, okay, what are we doing here? Right. Yeah. And she does, and she literally said, Who's man's best friend? And I was like, Oh, snap. I said, Okay, so I'm like, how do I wear this?

SPEAKER_02: 38:08

So I said, Did your friend like to date a lot? Because who's man's best friend but a woman?

SPEAKER_03: 38:15

I go, Did she date a lot? And and she goes, Yeah, she had over a hundred lovers by the time she was 30, and she was very proud of that. Because I could not say your friend was a hoe. So I couldn't say that. So I was like, How do I put this out there? Very gently to a great, you know, a grandma. Your friend's telling me she's a hoe. He's a hoe, but I don't know how to say that. So I'm she's laughing at me and like like like she knew she put me in an awkward position. Oh my gosh. And show her, but yeah, it was pretty funny.

unknown: 38:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 38:44

Man's best friend is a hoe.

SPEAKER_04: 38:45

Oh my god, that is so it's not a dog. It's not a dog. Not a dog, it's a hoe. Oh my god, that is really funny. Um, what was I gonna say? Oh, yeah, you said talk to talking codes and symbols, and and yes, that's the thing that I was trying to communicate with this other person I was telling you about before, and just like if you see a butterfly and they're hanging out too long, that could be them, you know? 100%. So how do you interpret that, you know?

SPEAKER_03: 39:12

So I back back decades ago, I went to the library and I I bought a book on, you know, what signs and symbols mean in the spiritual world.

SPEAKER_01: 39:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 39:22

And so I was like, well, I don't see that. I don't see those. And then I realized that book was wrote because that's what they saw. So don't go buy a book, people. That's right. Because you are you are shown signs and symbols because of your own life story. So what would you relate to? So that's what they're gonna use to talk to you. For example, uh, if I'm reading somebody and I hear the word nana, all it's doesn't mean that that grandma's name was Nana, that they called her Nana. It's a code for me. I had a nickname or a name other than my government name, just so you know which one it is. So, like I was born Michelle, they call me Shelly's a little girl. Um, when I became a grandma, I became a Nana. So that's their code for me. Like, oh, this grandma had a different name. Right, right. So um, if I see horses, it means two things to me. I grew up around horses, and I also had a Mustang. So the first time I saw horses, I asked that you know, the sitter, does horses mean something? And they said no. And they honed in on one particular horse. And I go, that's a Mustang. So then I'm like, wait a minute, there's a Mustang involved in this. And she's like, yes, there was a Mustang. So they use the horses to give me, it's either four legged or four wheels. So I have to, if you don't know the first one, then I'm gonna throw out the second one, what it means to me. Yeah. So we do all have our own signs and symbols. And the thing is that people dismiss them. Oh, I always see a red cardinal. Okay. And that's that's usual for your area or no, just around my yard. Okay. Maybe that's something you should think about. Right. But like November, I always have a cardinal that visits me outside of my window. And I know it's my grandma's when she passed. And around November, she visits me several times. And every once in a while she'll flicker in randomly, and it's like, oh hello, you're here. Yeah. Um, so yeah, so we all have our own. You just have to. The one thing I tell students all the time is that when you want to connect to your spirit guides and your angels, you start off with an angel journal because it's literally your way of saying, I hear you. And you write down those encounters. You write down what did that, what did that cardinal mean to you? Who did you think of? Who popped in your head when you saw that? Um, and you feel, you know. Yes. What's you you write your own code book, right? You know, and it's in songs. And literally I had this conversation about songs and how Spirit talks to me in words and songs. And we had left dinner, and I got a message from her and she goes, That's so crazy. You said that I got in the car, and a certain song came on, and it was so related to a situation. And I'm like, they will use anything they can to get our attention. It's like, hello, you dumb human. Yeah, it's true. Pay attention.

SPEAKER_04: 41:45

Yeah, I was like in the in um in yogic philosophy, there's all the senses become distractions for the mind because the senses pull us more into the tangible world, into the illusion maya, which ironically seems, you know, the tangible seems like it should be the def, you know, finite, but it's it's the it's the it's the transient and the infinite is the the illusion.

SPEAKER_02: 42:11

Yeah, right. Yeah. Are we staying out of our we stayed out of our own way, but yeah, our lives would be so much more spiritual. Yeah, connected. Yeah. Period. We've been in the way of it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 42:22

Yeah. You know? Our separation. And that's that is the separation, that is the compartmentalization. You know, when you say, like, is it this psychic or that psychic or whatever, you know, how which player am I using? You know, why does it matter? It's a marketing thing. That's what you mean. Yeah. Marketing thing. Yeah. That's what I was trying to talk about with it wherever I want to rails at the beginning, is that it's all under the same umbrella. And as long as that umbrella doesn't house the energy or sub frequencies of fear, then it's all the same.

SPEAKER_02: 42:56

100% in love. Okay.

SPEAKER_04: 42:59

Now, Michelle. Yes. I know you do a lot of events for those uh listening who are in the Chicagoland area. What's uh what do you have coming up? And um, I'll put all your information down. You have the the the live TikTok readings, you have your books, your oracle cards, all of that will be your website will be in the show notes. But um, what's the what's the next thing for you?

SPEAKER_03: 43:23

Friday, let's see, Friday night, I will be at the Gathering Lighthouse in Lombard, um, doing a psychic detective class. And we'll it's one of my favorite classes because not only do we we start off like, and it's not just seasoned people that come to this class, it's also people are just curious. It's kind of fun. It's like you like to watch cop shows. It's a cop show. Let's come, let's come play, let's see what you pick up. Tell me about that. What do you guys do? Yeah. So it starts off with we'll have two pictures on the screen and we'll do one and then we'll do the other one. And we we talk about and let our bodies feel the difference of presence between both of those pictures. Is it a heavier presence? Is it a light presence? Are they crossed or are they earthbound? So to look to understand to listen to your body, pay attention to what you feel when you're with these two different faces, right? Then we do the who done, you know, who done it, guilty or innocent. We'll go through a series of a couple more pictures. We'll look at this picture. Were they guilty? Were they innocent? Did they commit a crime or not? So you're basically the judge and the jury. Then we go to the live case. So every class we have a live case that we're working on. It's either somebody's lost a loved one or somebody who crossed over and the family's questioning how they crossed. We will only take live cases if we have a family member that will participate. Because there's no point if we can't have somebody to validate what we're what we're seeing. Right, right. So at the end of the class, we will and uh we will have everybody will look at the picture, we'll know their name. The students will all be writing down their notes, but they're picking up from this. Then we let the person come in. If they're local, they come in in the building or they come up on Zoom with us. Um, the class does their readings and then they get to validate. After a class is over, we have a Facebook page just for the students who have taken this class. We upload that so all previous students can also add their feedback and we add the family to that. So if something new comes up, that they can add it to that. So that's Friday night from 7 to 9 p.m. Central Time. Uh, it is$35 for that class. On Saturday, I will be at the Barnes and Nobles in Orland Park with my book signing. So you can come meet me there. That's from three to five. And then Sunday, I will be at the Aura Holistic Um uh Oral Health and Holistic Building in Aurora. That's really a mouthful all the time. Aurora in Aurora. Um, I will be there uh from two to four. I'd have to pull it up to be sure. Um, we're gonna be doing introduction to pendulum. So if you take any of my pendulum classes, you get a free pendulum. We're gonna have some grades to work on. Um because of the fact we're rearing down the year, most of the classes between now and December are fun classes. Like we're gonna have some chakra candles in December, making doing some oil, so stuff that you can even gift to give away to somebody if you want to.

SPEAKER_04: 45:57

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 45:58

Wonderful.

SPEAKER_04: 45:59

Yeah. Um, I so love talking with you. And I love talking to you too. I was just I'm so glad we connected, and I do feel like we will continue to connect. Um you've got a lot going on, and I love it all. So I do too.

SPEAKER_00: 46:15

I'm loving life.

SPEAKER_04: 46:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 46:17

I am. I'm loving life.

SPEAKER_04: 46:19

All right. Well, thank you all for joining us, and I will see you in a couple of weeks. And um well, wait, one more thing.

SPEAKER_03: 46:26

Yeah, February. And I don't know when in February, but I'm very excited about this. I was invited by a church to come and speak at the church. They're trying to bridge the gap between Christianity and spirituality. So they're gonna have me come and speak to the congregation, and it's the first time I've been invited to a church after being ostracized from mine to actually um, which I can't even tell you how excited I am to do that. Yeah, it's like we slowly need to incorporate the our worlds because they are all the same. So I'm very excited about that. That's in Woodstock at the Unity Spiritual Church.

SPEAKER_04: 46:56

Yes, that's a good one.

SPEAKER_03: 46:57

That's February.

SPEAKER_04: 46:58

Because you should be, they should be connected.

SPEAKER_03: 47:00

100%.

SPEAKER_04: 47:01

I heard this thing, I'll I'll share this and then, but uh, you know, that spirituality is going to the self-service tank at the gas station, and religion is going to the full service. Interesting. Huh.

SPEAKER_02: 47:14

So I like that. Putting them together would be nice. Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_04: 47:20

All right. Thank you. Have a great day, make some magic today, and love you.