Separating the Self from the Scenery and the Spiritual Path of Intuition.

Your intuition might not be “mystical” at all. It might be the most natural human capacity you have, buried under stress, sensory overload, and a lifetime of being trained to focus on the scenery instead of the seer. We sit down with John Osborne, senior faculty at the Art of Living Foundation, longtime meditation teacher, breathwork guide, and co-founder of Welcome Home Troops, to talk about what intuition looks like when it is sourced from pure consciousness rather than fear or performance. 

We start with the intuitive life scan and what it means to receive accurate insight without prior information. From there, we go deep into Patanjali’s Yoga Sutras, the eight-limbed path, and the careful way advanced abilities (siddhis) are traditionally handled. John explains why ethical development matters, why attachment shuts the door, and why true intuition feels like clarity, compassion, and love. 

Then we widen the lens to time itself: chronos versus kairos, the crosspoint of the present moment, and why dropping into stillness can make past patterns easier to see and release. We talk past lives as samskaras and vasanas, not as identity, and we share a mind-bending story about children training intuition, including blindfold demonstrations that challenge the usual model of perception. 

If you care about meditation, mindfulness, breathwork, yoga philosophy, stress management, and intuition training that stays grounded, you will get a lot from this one. Subscribe, share with a friend who overthinks everything, and leave a review with your biggest takeaway: what helps you access your own inner knowing most reliably?

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Transcript

Welcome And Who John Is

SPEAKER_02 0:27

Hello, welcome to Intuitive Insights. I am your host, Megan McDonough, your no BS Woo-Woo coach. Today I have, I'm very excited about this conversation. Um, I have a very exciting guest. Um, this is John Osborne. He is a senior faculty member, member, faculty member, easy for me to say, at the Art of Living Foundation. And he's been there since 1989. He's a lead facilitator at the Institute of Absolute Intelligence, serving as a conscious explorer meditation teacher. Oh, you're a Kirtan artist. Oh, that makes me so happy. That makes me so happy. I miss myself some good Kirtan. Okay. Um, with over 45 years of experience in mind and body practices. He was personally trained by Guru Dev Shri Shri Ravi Shankar, and he leads global retreats teaching stress management and breath work. And he also co-founded the Welcome Home Troops, a program aiding veterans in PTSD across U.S. military and VA facilities. A Yale Divinity School graduate with a masters of divinity and former venture capitalist. I mean, you're blowing my mind, John. Like every, you know, I mean, I blew my mind when I first read this, and even as I'm reading it now. Um, Osborne has also been uh a trappist monk. See, I mean, like, it's just it's so exciting to be okay. Blending his analytical rigor with uh contemplative depth. He his acclaimed albums include Present Moment, 2004, From Sound into Silence, 2024, and features devotional chants for healing and inner peace. He's based in Los Angeles, my old home, which I miss very much. And he fosters clarity and resilience through ancient wisdom and modern applications. Uh, he is one of the few trained practitioners worldwide who can perform an intuitive life scan, which we just did and we're going to speak about in just a second, revealing specific insights into past patterns, current challenges, and future trajectories without any prior information. Not psychology or guesswork, pure intelligence from beyond the five senses. John, welcome. Welcome to Intuitive Insights. I'm so I'm so excited uh to talk with you on multiple levels. Um, but first let's talk about this scan we just did.

SPEAKER_04 2:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 3:00

And um, I'm just gonna uh put it out there for the listeners and and watchers that John does this scan and he intuitively kind of it's very short, and uh just after a few bits of chanting and dropping into um the present moment deeply, as he uh expressed with me. Uh past life and life patterns popped up for him, which he had some for me. Now, I'm gonna share a couple of things that he said. So, one of them, and I'm gonna uh, you know, exhare how uh how it's applicable and how it resonates. And then I would like to speak a little bit about um the past life and souls energy, because I have a a particular um perspective on that, and I wanted to ask some questions to you, John. So um one of the things that John had said was in a past life, I was a palm reader, is that what you said? That's right. And um but what I and I have not shared this with him yet, but what he said about the palm reading was that I would see the uh lines on the hands, but then I would touch them, and by touching them, that's how I would have the accuracy or the the knowing from touching the hands. Now, John did not know this, does not know this. But as a kid, I've always, and if you've been listening for a while, you may have heard me say this, but as a kid, I've always felt, you know, connection to the other side, even with like uh religion and and um, you know, other older systems, I was always like, that's not it, it's this, you know what I mean? Like I've always had this kind of connection to the energetic world. So um, and I had, you know, intuitive experiences as a child. But in my 20s, I called her psychic Megan. And she came out after a few glasses of wine at a party, and she would read energy in palms, but I didn't quite read palms. I knew a brief amount about the lines on palms. I know just a, you know, just a few a little bit of information about palm reading. But how I would see, quote unquote, right? Is I would put my hand to their hand and touch them, and then I would see what their soul w what I would describe as their soul wanted me to see. What their soul was begging for me to communicate because they weren't listening when the soul was trying to communicate with them. Right. So John saw that, and I had not told him that part yet. So that was my technique that I kind of developed. But it's interesting to hear that you saw it as this was a past uh behavior pattern or technique that I had.

SPEAKER_00 6:00

And a way that you made a living in that life.

Past Life Patterns And Palm Reading

SPEAKER_02 6:02

Yeah. And then um there were a few things that resonated in my current life from from this particular life that he saw um as well. But I l I I got a couple of things. I just I mean, I have so much that I want to talk to you about. One, we share um the passion for the scientific process of yoga and how it helps facilitate not just the physical but the energetic, you know. And um and when we do that, that's when you get the siddhis. That's when you get what you're sharing beautifully now, right?

SPEAKER_00 6:42

I mean Yeah, Patanjali's yoga sutras are you know the basis for all of yoga and meditation, certainly in the Vedantic system, and really in Buddhism too. And he leads people through, it's called the eight limbs of yoga, but it's very systematic. It is a science and talks about codes of behavior, the yamas and niyamas, and he talks about pranayamas and asanas and then meditation. And he said, when you're when you've kind of mastered all of that, and a few key things come together at the same time, dharana, dyan, tension in a certain part of the body, dhyana, meditation, and samadhi, when you drop into the transcendent, then these cities, these abilities are possible. But he's kind of vague about how it happens, because if the wrong people try to get into learning these abilities for the wrong reasons, uh it won't work out well. So he's kind of vague so that somebody of sufficient consciousness has to be able to pick that lock to read into what Patanjuli is saying, to open the door and to teach it. But in the ancient days, it was only taught to very advanced students. My story about that time is somebody came and said, I've been meditating for 20 years, whatever. I think I'm ready for knowledge of the cities. And the the master, the guru, called us and said, Bring in a cow. And they brought the cow in. The guy's wondering, what's going on with this cow? He said, take this cow home and make this cow into three cows, and then come back with the three cows, and maybe I'll teach you then. So it was meant to be very advanced knowledge, only for people who had who had learned enough about consciousness that their use of these abilities wouldn't be dangerous for themselves or other people. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 8:30

It does. And how I uh when studying it myself, I um I interpret it as if you have any attachment or um cravings or aversions. Yes, any desires or attachments towards the cities, they disappear.

SPEAKER_00 8:52

Right. They have to be. And that's why he says dharana, attention on a particular part of the body, you can read to see what he says, plus dyan, those two together, yeah, meditation, plus samadhi. You can't just be in meditation, you have to have dropped into that pure consciousness.

SPEAKER_02 9:12

And there are levels of samadhi. Samadhi is not just one destination, there's several levels of samadhi as well.

SPEAKER_00 9:18

Dharana, dyan, samadhi equals the possibility of possibility of moksha. But it's not uh it's a gift. It's not uh it's not a mechanical ability. It's uh it's a gift.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

It's experiential, right? Yeah. Gift from the divine.

SPEAKER_02 9:36

Yes, and um and that at its root, it's the integration of all we are capable of. That's right. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 9:49

There's really only one thing going on in the universe, and that's pure consciousness. And and we're a manifestation of that. Everything around us is a manifestation of that. And once you drop into that, that self, you identify so strongly with the self, capital S, then anything is possible. You could say, I want the clouds to leave the sun, and the clouds have to leave the sun because they're also part of the self. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 10:14

Because it's all connected.

SPEAKER_00 10:15

Right.

SPEAKER_02 10:16

Yes. I was actually um, you know, uh first studied yoga and continue. It's like a life passion, so that doesn't not stop. But um especially when it comes to helping, you know, uh teach people how to uh connect to and uh communicate with and have a relationship with their intuition, um pratyahara is what really came to mind because um the d which is the withdrawal of the senses, because the senses connect us to in this my interpretation, please you know, you're the scholar, so you tell me if you know you have a different interpretation of this, but that the senses um connect us and keep us attached to the physical world, which is the illusion of permanence, when the permanence is really the intuition that well, I call the intuition, but the soul, the purush, whatever you want to call it, right? God. But um that is the cons that's the constant, the inconsistent.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

All the problems that a human being experiences is what's exactly what you're talking about, the scenery, the outer world.

SPEAKER_02 11:34

Oh, that's right. You use that. I please talk about that because I like that analogy.

SPEAKER_00 11:41

Right. And they come in over the shadow, they overshadow the seer, that creates a kind of bondage and a kind of illusion. And we got all trapped up in that. But when you begin to meditate, you begin to experience the seer, and then you begin to experience yourself as the seer. Yes. And then the seer becomes available to you along with waking, sleeping, and dreaming. And that's the beginning of enlightenment.

SPEAKER_02 12:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

And that when you um So then the scenery loses its power over you at that moment.

SPEAKER_02 12:10

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

And and witnessed to the scenery, but you're not subject to the scenery.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

Right. And and so then t for me, and how I explain it is that then I call them all the feels. So it's the feel-see, the feel-no, the feel-feel, you know.

SPEAKER_00 12:28

Um Yeah, what with the big aha, because I teach courses on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras, is that this chair that I'm looking at is not only a part of the scenery, but my ego is part of the scenery. And my memory is part of the scenery. And those are also things that um they keep us from experiencing who we are as an all-time reality, this unboundedness.

SPEAKER_02 12:50

Yes. And they get in the way of the pure consciousness.

unknown 12:54

Right.

Seer Versus Scenery In Yoga

SPEAKER_00 12:55

Which is always there. Yeah. You know, it's important to differentiate between different kinds of intuition. A lot of people who practice as psychics, in my experience, are not particularly well developed spiritually. They're not they're not in that enlightenment phase, but they have help from the other side. They get a spirit thing that's giving them answers to things. And then they have this kind of karma with the spirit. And but this what I was taught to do is not from any outside uh force or entity. It's from dropping into that intuition which has always been there. You know, there are qualities to the absolute. The people say the absolute is without qualities. But in the absolute, you'll find divine compassion. You'll find uh love, divine love. My guru told me you're made up of love. Right. Yeah. But you'll also find very pure intuition if you can drop into it. And that's what he taught me to do is a city, uh uh uh how would I say it? Uh a formula, a tool, yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

Right. And it just Yeah, I I I have a I don't like the word psychic personally, because to me it has a little bit of uh well, twofold. It has uh fear attached to it, you know, like there's only one absolute answer and that uh this is it, and now you and it takes away. So that's one. And I don't believe that the intuitive space, the soul-based space, this space that we're speaking of knows fear. It's does not house fear as a vibration. It's the vibration of love, connection, hope, faith, trust. Fear is part of the scenery. It's part of the scenery.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

Jesus himself who said perfect love casts out fear. That's right. When you re-experience yourself connected to the divine, that you're part of the divine, and that that d divinity uh cares for you very much. Yes, there's so much room for fear in that equation.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

Absolutely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 15:02

And then also it it it steals your journey from you. I mean, your journey is meant to i in my my perspective, our journey in this life, in this skin suit, is to experience certain things and learn and grow and um and hurt and love and you know, experience all the things and then uh hopefully understand how to integrate the self, right? Personality and the whole self. But um to me, psychic uh um what's the word I'm looking for? But like, you know, telling somebody what's gonna happen takes steals that away from them. You know, it steals away one, it says that there's only one possibility in this lifetime, which I don't believe. And two, it's uh it's taking on the responsibility of their life, which feels gross.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

So most often when what I see for somebody in the future, I say there's a possibility that at this time it may happen. Um rarely say anything.

SPEAKER_02 16:10

Because we all have divine will to choose, to listen, to be guided.

SPEAKER_00 16:15

Life is a combination of free will and predetermination or karma, whatever you say. Yeah. The way Shishuri Avishankar says it, he says it very uh in a very humorous way. He says, your height is predetermined. You can wish you were 5'9, but if you're 5'5, you're never gonna be 5'9. Your weight is free will.

SPEAKER_02 16:35

Mmm, mmm, oh, that depresses me right now, but it's true.

SPEAKER_00 16:41

Well, some things are changeable in life and some things are some things are predetermined, yes.

SPEAKER_02 16:47

Um, okay. So uh one thing I wanted to I wrote down here before. Um, I'm gonna go back to this. I want you, if you don't mind, can you speak a little bit about the uh dropping into the present so much so that uh because what I wrote down and I shared with John before we started was, you know, when he started to read me, we dropped into ohms, which I told him I appreciate because they remind me of my guru and um and what uh she and her father shared with me. Um then it's rare that I um witnessed that type of ohm, you know, kind of in a yoga class or wherever anymore. So I appreciated that. But two, um, when he dropped into that and in his silence, I saw um I saw different colors swirling around and I was seeing different auras, but then I popped in and saw kind of we were going in and out of dimensions and timelines, is what I felt. And um, and then I because I had no idea what kind of reading this was going to be, you know? And then he came forward with like a past, past life impression. So um, and you had a beautiful thing that you shared with me about how about time and dropping in. And wondered if you could just, you know, reiterate that a little.

SPEAKER_00 18:09

One of my favorite quotes about time comes from Ralph Aldo Emerson, American philosopher. He said, Time is but a stream in which I go fishing. So historical time, past, present, and future. I've had a number of experiences which shows me that that's not really true. There's only one thing happening, and it's eternal. And past, present, and future are, you could say, enveloped in that, but it's deeper. Um if you grew up in a Christian tradition, you sat there and looked at a cross, probably, you know, as a child, but people don't realize the significance of the cross. Uh the horizontal arm of the cross is in Greek chronos, which is historical time. Time. Yeah. 1952, 1995. Saturn.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

Isn't that Saturn as well?

SPEAKER_00 19:00

I don't know about Saturn, but it's it's chronos, it's historical time. The vertical pole of the cross is Kairos, which is eternal time.

SPEAKER_04 19:08

Which is what?

SPEAKER_00 19:09

Eternal time, eternity. And what happens, I guess, is that you drop into that histor that that vertical to the point beyond present space and time, and you discover in that deep place already enveloped all of past, present, and future. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 19:28

It does. So in a sense, if I'm to I like analogies and I like to put it back to see if I'm understanding correctly, but when you're honing in, deepening into the present moment, you're deepening into where the cross is connected. Right. The cross meets.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

Right. You know, you may remember again, I my training is in theology. Uh the Pharisees, you uh uh Jesus was talking about um King David or King Apr or Abraham very authoritatively as a child, and they're kind of deriding him. They're saying, you know, how do you know about at the church when he had the big hand from his time? Yeah, and he said something beautiful. He said, before Abraham was, he said, I am. He didn't say I was before Abraham or I knew Abraham. He said, Before Abraham was, I am. I am, you know, is ultimate expression of the present moment. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 20:24

And it is the oneness, it's the it's the it's the representation of one.

SPEAKER_00 20:30

It's itself. It's the it's the yeah. It's pure consciousness manifesting itself in space and time.

Time And The Crosspoint Of Now

SPEAKER_02 20:37

Yeah. Yeah. Um, so my question on uh the past life and the soul, like I and I and I wanted to ask your interpretation or experience uh in your work with this, but um so when I do like a full-fledged reading and I look at past lives and so forth, um how I see them is a a point on the life path, the soul's life journey, um, in which it it enveloped um a particular energy or time or issue, what have you. And it's this the soul is asking you to call upon whatever those lessons were now in sheer life, integrate them, remember them, right? Or um recognize them. Not like it's it not as it, you know, I always tell people because people are, you know, everyone wants to be like Cleopatra or something. Do you know what I mean? Like everybody wants to be somebody famous or something. And it's like that doesn't matter. What matters is the um, like you were saying, what matters is the vasanas or the samskaras. What's what matters is taking the impressions left behind and liberating them.

SPEAKER_00 22:03

Right. And realizing that they're also part of the scenery. So not yes, away like that. Yes. Not identifying yourself with them.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

Yes. I love that.

SPEAKER_02 22:16

Do you love this scenery versus seer? And I know I've heard it before, but somehow it's resonating more deeply now.

SPEAKER_00 22:23

And it was his understanding of that that got me to be able to teach it in this course, which is called Syam, which is a Sanskrit for the cities. And when people realize that everything in their life, including their ego and their memory and their mind and their body, are all part of the scenery, then what else is there? And that drops them into that pure consciousness, the seer. And then they begin to identify with the seer more.

SPEAKER_02 22:50

Did you find that so okay? So let me go on your timeline real quick. And then look at it. Okay. So real quick, I'm gonna ask this, but then I'll wrap it up. So you did you go uh were you in uh theology first? Did you get your was it a doctorate you got?

SPEAKER_00 23:08

No, I was in uh I got an undergraduate degree, and then I got uh I took two years of graduate uh I became a teacher of meditation. I learned meditation when I was a freshman in college, graduated from college, became a teacher of meditation, and then I taken a year off from Yale, uh deferred admission. So I did two years of ex of studies at Yale teaching meditation on the weekends.

SPEAKER_03 23:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:33

And then I got introduced to uh a very highly evolved being who happened to be an abbot in a monastery, ended up writing a book with him, ended up being in that monastery for three years, took time off the divinity school, went back and finished my degree, and then went out in the world and was teaching meditation and also got interested in business. So all different kinds of things were happening.

SPEAKER_02 23:56

And then what led you to the art of living?

SPEAKER_00 23:59

Very interesting question. I mean, divine divine uh guidance. Yeah, I think. I was uh in a room uh dinner party of meditators in Santa Barbara, California. I'm I moved there in 1988 for work. I was in the investment business. And uh there was a uh a pundit, a pujari uh Indian man who needed a place to stay. I just went into a cottage side of the ocean. Knew enough about Indians that if I rolled a mat out on the floor of my living room, he'd be quite happy. He was. He was a Jotishi, he was an astrologer. Assumed my living room became his place for business. People were coming and going all day long, which was fine with me. Glad to offer him hospitality. And then he said a boyhood friend of his was coming to the university to speak, and could I take him to see him? And I did, and it turned out that boyhood friend was Shri Sri Rabbi Shankar. There was no art of living. Now it's in 185 countries, and millions and millions of people have benefited. But the moment I walked into the room with it was then called Pandit Rabbi Shankar, now he's called Sri Sri Rabbi Shankar. A little voice in my left ear said, Take off your shoes, you're in the presence of a Brahman Gani. You're in the presence of someone at the highest level of enlightenment. And he seemed very familiar to me.

SPEAKER_04 25:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

And so I felt my whole life that I had planned kind of the Red Sea parted. I knew that it was a significant day in my life. And everything changed after that. Then I I took one of the first courses in the United States and I learned this sky meditation yoga that he's brought. And it brought me deeper in meditation than I'd ever gone before. And I had some memories of some really divine experiences as a child, which I thought I'd lost. They came back. And I remember sitting at the end of that first course, the end of the first session of the course or second session of the course, with tears pouring down my face, Megan, and thinking, if I could help one other person have the experience that I've just had, my whole life would be worthwhile. So I went the next year to learn to become a teacher, and then it but there was no art of living foundation. There was just this person traveling around and teaching. And then the foundation came the next year and I was involved in that and involved in teaching, and I never looked back. But all the time I still had a career in business of various kinds. So I only recently started doing this full time. I don't know, maybe seven, eight years ago. But I was doing it, you know, at night and on the weekend the whole time, the last 35 anyway. But it was your passion. Finally, you know, business allowed me an option to retire and from that. And I just started doing it full time.

SPEAKER_02 26:44

And start your start your purpose.

SPEAKER_00 26:47

Continue my purpose.

Training Intuition And Teaching Kids

SPEAKER_02 26:49

Continue the purpose. Continue the purpose. Um a couple of questions before we head out. Um I forgot to ask you my two questions up the gate, so I'm gonna ask them now.

SPEAKER_04 27:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

How do you define intuition in your own words? What a good question. Is that the bells in the background?

SPEAKER_00 27:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:16

It's perfect timing.

SPEAKER_00 27:18

Uh I have um intuition to me is uh dropping into a knowingness, which is itself a window on divine energy.

SPEAKER_01 27:33

Oh, that is beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

An aspect of divine energy, which is all knowing and I love that.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

I love that visual.

SPEAKER_02 27:42

I love that visual. Um, I did have a question. I am gonna ask it. I was gonna push it away, but I'm gonna ask it. Um because I I feel like it speaks to what I try and share, and it sounds like what you're sharing, is the question is when you deepened, and you may have already kind of touched on this a bit, but when you deepened into your stillness, into the seer, when did you know or when did it occur that these gifts of um universal energy communication were uh available to you?

SPEAKER_00 28:31

Are you talking about the process of scanning or are you talking about something else in my life?

SPEAKER_02 28:35

I I just went on a very long road to say. So you took a course specifically. It wasn't like you were meditating and all of a sudden it was like things start going.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

No, no, no, you have to be taught to do this. And it wasn't a course, it was an initiation of four or five other people, and it's like we're doing this, we're doing this, now you do this, follow these instructions, do this. Now turn to the person next to you, and I turn to the person next to you. I'm like, holy cow, what just happened? Because it it happened right at that instant.

SPEAKER_02 29:14

So you were chosen essentially as initiation for this. Okay, okay. Well, the next question I have, and that's uh that's why I had to ask you. I'm not alone.

SPEAKER_00 29:23

There's several hundred people around the world that do this now.

SPEAKER_02 29:26

Oh, yeah, now, right? But in your group it was initially, yes. Okay. So my one question usually is how do you define intuition in your own words? The second one being how and when or what prompted you, better put, what prompted you to start using the intuition in your life or um this skill in your life?

SPEAKER_00 29:51

I had um glimpses of it as a little kid.

SPEAKER_01 29:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

And at first it kind of scared me because I would say what I saw, and other people were like, what are you talking about? Crazy pride. And uh so I wasn't sure if it was real and I wasn't sure how it could be helpful.

SPEAKER_04 30:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

Then when I came, when I started meditating, it started to come back to a certain degree. And then more, then more, then more. And then when I I took the Cyam course and learned about Garn and John, and that became more. And then when I learned to be a scanner, it really kicked in. So I don't know if I answered your question. It's been there all along, but not like it is now.

SPEAKER_02 30:39

Yeah. No, absolutely. You did. And I'm the what I um I believe we all have access to that. Some of us are predispositioned, like some of us are better athletes than others, kind of a thing.

SPEAKER_00 30:53

You know what's interesting is we've started a series of studies and a series of courses for kids in intuition. And kids are much better in intuition than adults are. They are.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

Absolutely. But we're not trained. That's the thing. We're not trained for uh we're more intuitive, uh intuitively and spiritually connected as children. And they I te I work with children with teaching yoga a lot, and they respond respond to sound, they respond to song, they respond to vibration, right? And they also respond to uh just energy. It's just energy they respond to. And we train them, our systems have been training us as humans to focus on the scenery.

SPEAKER_00 31:47

And be successful in the scenery. And be successful in the scene. Scenery is ultimately an illusion. But these kids, I had a friend, I'll tell you a quick story. Yeah. Maybe to end up. I had a friend who came to one of these demonstrations.

SPEAKER_03 31:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

He financially um brilliant person went to Harvard Business School, very left brain oriented. You know, he analyzes stocks and things. And the kids gave a demonstration and he didn't believe it. And so we went up to one of the girls, you know, 12, 13 years old. Yeah. And he said, I want to see your blindfold, because they do a blindfolded. Oh, sure. Yeah. And he saw that the blindfold was real. And he said, put the blindfold on. And then at some distance from her, he held up a hundred-dollar bill. And he said, If you can read the serial numbers, I mean he was trying to disprove her. If you can read the serial numbers on this on this hundred dollar bill, I'll give it to you. And she put the blindfold. She's 13 years old, and she's like SK176583. And he about fell over, not only because he was surprised that she could do it, but what it did to his whole understanding of the universe. Yes. He never thought anything like this was possible. So she got the$100. Actually, he donated it to a cause that was uh dear to this girl's heart. So kids are coming up. Imagine what it does for them in schools.

unknown 33:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 33:01

They're much better at their studies, they do better on their tests, they um work out better with other kids. So we're starting to institute these programs in schools, if you can imagine. So kids at the same time as they're doing reading, writing, and arithmetic can develop their intuition, which will serve them very well as an adult.

SPEAKER_02 33:18

Is this through the art of living? It is. That's wonderful.

SPEAKER_00 33:23

I'm very through that Institute of Infinite Intelligence or you know, that you talked about earlier. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:32

That's wonderful. I mean, yes, absolutely yes.

SPEAKER_00 33:37

Everybody has this kind of intuition deep inside them. Not everyone has access to it. But we're trinking. When you learn the you know, to take the attention away from being completely absorbed in the scenery, you start to explore the seer, the intuition develops automatically, naturally. Absolutely. But there are ways that you can have it developed. Specifically.

SPEAKER_02 34:00

Yes, yes. Like um, for instance, what you were saying, as you progressed in down the path of the sutras, right? Or the the Shitanga path, you um were deepening in and the and it was starting to come back, that kind of intuitive nature of yours. But having that specific training as to how to use it as a tool was a quantum leap. It was a quantum leap, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:27

And it came from the grace of my teacher. It takes somebody in that state of consciousness to show you the possibilities of that state of consciousness. So I'm very grateful for the the teaching and the training that I've I've received from Shishira Avishankar.

SPEAKER_02 34:41

John, I am so grateful for you.

SPEAKER_00 34:44

I don't take any of the credit for it.

SPEAKER_02 34:46

It's it's I'm just saying I was just getting a visual of it's just I was getting a visual of a river. And just, you know, it's it's flowing from one the river flowing from one teacher to student to who becomes the teacher, to the student who becomes the teacher. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:09

Even though there's a lot written about it, there's this oral tradition. That's why you can't really learn the cities from a book.

SPEAKER_02 35:15

No, it's guru cool.

SPEAKER_00 35:17

Meditation from a book has to come from the heart of someone that is in that field.

SPEAKER_02 35:22

Yeah. Even even the sutras, even the Patanjali sutras are supposed to, I believe they were supposed to have been taught from um like a master, a guru, to unwind.

SPEAKER_00 35:36

And that's why I think uh Patanjali was a little deliberately vague. It's like if a person in a high state of consciousness reads this, they'll know how to unlock the door. Anybody else, they don't get through the door. No safeguards.

SPEAKER_02 35:48

It becomes yeah. Becomes like liberation is, you know, eating uh a shwaganda and um doing downward dog. You know, it's not part of it. It's part of it. It's not the whole bit. Um, John, this is I I could talk to you all day. I literally could talk to you all day. I just I'm so intrigued by your path and almost every geek out subject that I adore, you have experienced and mastered. Um how can people find you or the pro art of, I'm assuming all the art of living has like the child's program that you were speaking to, and of course of course all the training.

SPEAKER_00 36:30

Uh Young Persons Intuition Program, Institute of Intelligence, do you have that name there? You can put that out to your people. I think that has its own website now. It's fairly new. Um I have an e email address, my first name, John at artofliving.org. And I even have someone who schedules my scanning, but I have to tell you that I have about 150 people on a waiting list. Oh my goodness. But um rather than have people call me and say I need to be scanned by you, I can give you the name of my schedule, or would you like that?

SPEAKER_02 37:00

And yes, let's do that. And then also um in addition to that, I would love to know how uh your work with PTSD with uh veterans can uh if someone is looking for that, how uh they can get a hold of you.

SPEAKER_00 37:14

Yeah, project welcome hometroops.org. Okay, great. And uh uh the telephone number of my scheduler so somebody could could um could uh text him. His name is Psy S A I Bumori, B-E-M-U-R-I. And uh and his telephone number is 860 754 7443.

SPEAKER_02 37:40

Cy, you're gonna be blowing up.

SPEAKER_00 37:44

He took this on. It's like, you know, I really want to do this. I'm like, uh you know what you're asking for. Because people call him all the time. Yeah, but I can only do a few of these a day, and I'm teaching and I'm traveling, and you know, I'm doing a lot of other things. Yeah. So uh when I'm settled and I'm not traveling, then I do four of these a day, and eventually I'll catch up, hopefully. But every teach a course, like I'm going to Australia right now this week, and I'll be teaching hundreds of people, they all want to get on that list. So I'm not sure I'll because I love it, but I'll do the best I can.

SPEAKER_02 38:12

Yeah. Well, thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and experience with Megan. It was a pleasure.

SPEAKER_00 38:17

I hope that we meet each other in person sometime, and I hope I can get on your show again. Thank you so much for I would love that.

SPEAKER_02 38:23

All right. Let's say have a beautiful day.

SPEAKER_00 38:26

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 38:26

Thank you so much. Bye-bye. Bye.