The Dirty Side of Leadership
Where leadership meets entertainment! This weekly podcast disrupts the status quo by discussing hot-button topics that most podcasters are afraid to touch. Ron and Kristin apply their combined 50+ years of real leadership experience and take both a humorous and raw look behind closed doors. Often sharing personal experiences both in the workplace and out, they answer listener questions and breakdown 'dirty lessons' from Ron's best selling book, "The Dirty Side of Leadership".
The Dirty Side of Leadership
The Empathy Trap: Why Leaders Burn Out Trying to Be Everyone’s Therapist | Episode 140
In this episode, Ron and Kristin dig into a hidden leadership crisis: empathy burnout. When high-EQ leaders become everyone’s emotional outlet, they absorb problems that aren’t theirs — leading to exhaustion, resentment, and emotional overload.
You’ll learn why people emotionally dump on leaders, how empathy becomes codependency, and the practical boundaries every leader needs to stay healthy and effective.
What You’ll Learn:
- Why empathetic leaders are targeted as “safe dump zones”
- The difference between empathy fatigue and traditional burnout
- Why leaders are not therapists
- How emotional intelligence is misunderstood
- Tools to stop emotional overload and protect your energy
Core Takeaway:
You can care without carrying. Leaders stay strongest when they set boundaries that protect emotional bandwidth.
Sources (Credible Research & References):
- Figley, C. R. (1995). Compassion Fatigue: Coping With Secondary Traumatic Stress Disorder in Those Who Treat the Traumatized.
- Maslach, C., & Leiter, M. P. (2016). Understanding Burnout: New Models for New Realities.
- Goleman, D. (1998). Working with Emotional Intelligence.
- American Psychological Association — Compassion Fatigue & Empathy Research
- Center for Creative Leadership — Emotional Intelligence & Leadership Effectiveness Studies
Co-hosts: Ron Ward and Kristin Sokoloff
Sponsor: 4Ward Operations
Producer: Stephen Ridley
Facebook Group Administrator: Cassy Roop
Where leadership meets entertainment! This weekly podcast takes both a humorous and intense look at leadership through impactful stories, answers to listener questions, and breakdowns of dirty lessons from Ron's best selling book, "The Dirty Side of Leadership".
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Connect with us at 4wardoperations.com