🎪 Episode 88: Squatters, Sovereign Citizens, Creepy Reincarnation & The Deer That Won’t Leave

Welcome back to This Is My Circus — where one of us is being psychologically terrorized by a deer, the other is raising a puppy with no concept of personal space, and somehow we end up deep-diving into squatters, sovereign citizens, reincarnation, and wedding drama.

This week we're talking bizarre neighborhood wildlife, viral international visitors falling in love with America, the absolutely rage-inducing Squatters: Get the F Out of My House docuseries, and a thriller that had us questioning everything we thought we knew about life, death, and family secrets. 

🎙️ In This Episode

🦌 Meredith vs. The Deer

•  The mysterious deer that refuses to leave the yard 
•  Why the dogs think they've made a new best friend 
•  Midnight standoffs and disappearing hostas 
•  White woman suburbia problems at their finest 

🐶 Clifford's First Park Adventure

•  Why treats suddenly became irrelevant 
•  The challenge of training a social butterfly puppy 
•  The struggle of teaching a dog that not everyone wants to be his friend 

🇺🇸 The Internet's Favorite Tourist

•  The German traveler whose love for America has gone viral 
•  Waffle House, Buc-ee's, college football, NASA, and celebrity meetups 
•  How one visitor ended up living a better American vacation than most Americans 
•  Why the world is suddenly falling in love with the United States again 

🍻 World Cup Culture & International Visitors

•  Why Americans are embracing global soccer fans 
•  Scottish fans drinking breweries dry 
•  Hospitality competitions between countries 
•  The unexpected power of Southern food and American culture 

📺 Documentary Review:

Squatters: Get the F Out of My House (Hulu)

This documentary series had us angry, stressed, and questioning reality.

We discuss:

•  Homeowners being arrested while squatters stay in their homes 
•  Serial squatters exploiting legal loopholes 
•  Fake leases, fake paperwork, and unbelievable scams 
•  Millions of dollars in property damage 
•  Sovereign citizen movements and bizarre legal claims 
•  SWAT team standoffs over stolen homes 
•  The emotional and financial devastation faced by homeowners 

If you're looking for a documentary that will make your blood pressure spike, this is the one. 

⭐ Our Rating:

Highly Recommended
(But maybe don't binge all six episodes in one sitting unless you enjoy rage.)

😳 WTF of the Week

🐊 Child Thrown Into Crocodile Enclosure

A shocking story out of the UK involving:

•  A stranger throwing a three-year-old into a crocodile exhibit 
•  A heroic zoo employee jumping in to save the child 
•  Questions about mental health, justice, and humanity 

🦫 Beaver Watch 2026

•  Local baby beaver sightings 
•  Why they're adorable but problematic 
•  The unexpected wildlife takeover of the neighborhood 

💬 Am I The A-Hole?

"Am I the A-Hole for Dropping Out of My Sister's Wedding?"

After paying over $5,500 toward her sister's engagement party, a woman overhears the bride admitting she was only chosen as Maid of Honor because she was easy to manipulate and willing to spend money.

We discuss:

•  Family manipulation 
•  Financial boundaries 
•  Toxic sibling relationships 
•  Why "No" is a complete sentence 

📚 Book Club Review

The Lake House Children by Greg Dunnett

A psychological thriller with:

•  Reincarnation mysteries 
•  Family secrets 
•  Childhood trauma 
•  Suspenseful twists 
•  A shocking ending we didn't see coming 

What We Loved:

•  Unique premise 
•  Strong emotional storytelling 
•  Multiple unexpected twists 
•  Kept us guessing until the end 

Our Rating:

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
 9.5–10/10

One of our favorite reads in recent months.

Transcript

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I'm Stephanie. I'm Meredith. And welcome to This Is My Circus. Hey, girl. Hey. Hey., Can I just tell you... I, I don't know why this just popped in my head right now. I have been battling a deer all week. A deer? A deer. Like- Just one. What do you mean by battling? Okay, so- 'Cause I'm picturing you with, like, a sword Well, I mean, I feel like it might come to that level. So, you know, animal lover. Mm-hmm. I love all the animals. I wanna be Snow White and have, like, all the birds on my shoulders and stuff. And we have two dogs at home, Louie and Emmy. Louie can run around. He's terrified of everything. We don't have to tie him down when he's outside or anything. He's fine. Mm-hmm. He'll be fine. If I'm out with Emmy, and she's with me, she's fine. But if she's not on a rope, like a run, she will run away. Mm. She's part hound. She's gonna track things. She'll eventually come back, but I don't want her to get hurt while she's- Right So the other night, in the middle of the night, like they do, they decided they wanted to go out. Okay, cool, no problem. Let 'em out. I'm like getting some water, using the bathroom, whatever, and they're not in yet. Usually it's like by the time I get do that- Mm-hmm you know, they're coming. I'm like, "What in the world? There's a deer in our yard." Mm-hmm. And it's just like standing there close to the... They're not barking. They're not really even interacting. They're just like all hanging out in the same general area, and I'm like, "Okay, whatever." So I'm kind of yelling at it like, "Go away," you know, trying to get it to go so the dogs will come in. I'm, I'm saying, "You want a treat?" I'm saying all the magic words. Nothing's happening, so I'm like, "I gotta walk out there and try to make this deer go away so the dogs will come in." I got like within 10 feet of that deer, and it was just like looking at me chewing. You're like Snow White. Pretty much. Pretty much I am now. So that happened. Next night, same thing happened. It won't go away, Is it like a full deer, or is it like a baby? It, I think it's like a teenager. Okay. Like, it doesn't look... I don't think she's very responsible, if she is grown. Mm-hmm. But it, it is not huge, so, but it doesn't have spots. But I'm like running at this deer like, "Ma," making myself like as big as possible, like trying to make it go away. Happened in the middle of the day the other day. You know, deer are usually like evening or like morning. Middle of the day, just out there- Chilling and, and right. And the dogs are out there just having fun, and Louie's an idiot. They're like, "New bestie." They do, and Louie's like bouncing around the deer like, "Look what I... Look at my new friend, Mom." And Emmy's rope it's slack. Like, she's not like pulling- Mm trying to get to the deer. They're just being friends, and I do my, "Ma" And it runs like 10 feet, but it's not like a sprint. It's like that bouncy like- Mm "Come chase me." I'm like, "Oh, my God." And I, I would love a pet deer, but I need it to stop eating my plants. That is my battle. So I might have a sword one day and just wave it around and scare the deer. I don't know, I don't know what to do with this thing. A water gun? Oh. It, with my luck, it would like it and be like, "Oh, this is fun." Yeah. It'll certainly come back. Like a dog with a hose, yeah. Mm-hmm That has just been so crazy to me. Why won't this deer just go away? Yeah. and stop eating my hosta. I've even put, I've like done some research on like put some like cinnamon and some- Mm-hmm our new problems. Yeah. Our new problems. So that has been, you know, keeping me up in the night. Yeah. When I let the dogs out, it's like a big, a big production now. Yeah. And Emmy did it last night, let her out. Well, I guess I didn't clip her thing tight. She got off, and again, she'll come back. So she eventually came back, breathing, panting, heavy. It was probably about 20 minutes later that I'm up in the middle of the night just waiting on her to get back. Mm-hmm. And, limping, 'cause she's not a baby anymore. Yeah. She's not a pup. So, I mean, she's sore today. She's feeling it, and she's looking at me like, "I know it was stupid, but I promise you I'm gonna do it again." It was, that was worth it. It was worth it. It was worth it, so yeah. Mm-hmm. A- again, white woman suburbia. What have you been doing? Nothing really. Yeah. Mm-mm. No, I took Clifford to the park for the first time. How did he do? He did pretty good. I brought, his bag of treats that's how we're training him. Training, yep. Is, he's very food focused. And- I know. So, he wouldn't even look at the treats. He was just so excited to, have new things to sniff and- Uh-huh. Any time, he saw a person he was like, "Oh, they're gonna wanna pet me." Mm-hmm. And I'm like, "No, not everybody likes dogs." Mm-hmm. "Leave him alone." Well, and it's so hard when you're, when you're training them and you take them out in public. And, some people that are dog people know, they're working with them. I don't need to approach, or I don't approach like, "Hey." You know, just you have to- Mm-hmm help them learn. Yeah. And sometimes people are just so, "Oh, a baby. Can I pet your dog?" Yeah. And of course Clifford's like, "Pet me." Mm-hmm. "Yes." Yes. "Everywhere." Mm-hmm. "Pet me everywhere." Yeah. Have you been watching any of the, probably not, FIFA? Mm-mm, yeah. But I am, like you said, last week, all the people, from all over the world- Loving- loving America It is great, isn't it? Yeah. It is so great. So I do have some Freddy updates. Okay. We, I touched on Freddy last week. He's the dude from Germany who's here, who kinda started this Loving America trend. Well, our good friends in the UK- Yes the Brits in the US. Yes. Josh, and I always forget the other one's name. Yeah. Yeah. But they, they really started the trend. But- They did. They did. And they, actually just made a post, uh, saying, like, we are so excited that- That's all- everybody else is seeing this." Yes. I love it. Okay, so- He is, this Freddy dude, we talked last week, you know, Waffle House, Buc-ee's, he's into all the things. College football stadiums, as big as they are, apparently blew him away. Mm-hmm. He was like, "This is not professional." Crazy. Mm-hmm. Because he was at the big ones. Yeah. You know, LSU and different ones like that. Well, apparently he found a song he really liked called Choosing Texas by Ella Langley- Okay while he was here. Well, he keep posting about the song and doing the things. Okay, sorry, squirrel. Mm-hmm. Forrest Gump, where things just, like, fall in his lap. Yeah. Okay, so he's posting about Ella Langley. Her people find out. They invite him to a concert. He does the backstage. He does the, he meets Ella Langley, right? Photos with her, the whole thing. He's in Houston and he's posting about how great Houston is. JJ Watt gets a hold of it. JJ Watt puts him up in this amazing hotel. I can't even find, it says $150,000 a night, which, so I'm thinking it's the 22,000 square foot penthouse that they have. You can't even look at it online though because it's, like, call to discuss this pretty much. It's at the, Post Oak Hotel. So JJ Watt puts him up there. Of course, gives him the swag, the signed jersey and- Mm-hmm and all the things. he was, been on a tour of NASA. Oh. NASA was like, "Hey, come look and see what's going on with us." So of course, you know, Freddy's eating this up. They called, the space station or something and he's talking to people in space. It's crazy. He was invited to an Astros game, sat right behind the plate. Ended up meeting the mayor, um- uh, of Houston. I know, just so random, right? The police station in Houston invited him to a barbecue. Oh. And I don't mean a barbecue like a cookout, I mean barbecue like we eat it down here- Yeah like shredded pork. Right. So, he said it's like a movie. He's like, "These guys look like they should be in a movie about Texas police force," basically maybe we need to take a trip to, Houston. Is it like attractive actors that are playing cops? Like, you know, that's a good point. I need details, Freddy the, uh, Freddy needs to report back. I didn't really- zoom in. Oh. It was looking, it was like a big conference table. I was looking- Oh, well we need to zoom. We'll, we'll zoom. I'll, I'll find the picture again in a second. So then he's trying to fly from, from Houston to wherever he's going next, and I guess bad weather in Houston, his flights get canceled. Everybody's like fighting to get this kid where he wants to go. JJ Watt's involved again, trying to... Private planes are being offered to this dude. So he's finally in Canada now. He got there, I guess, through all these hookups, American Airlines, I don't know. He's in Canada, and his last tweet late last night, this morning, was like, "Goodbye for now. I'll see you soon, my dear friend," or something like that. Okay. I love it. But pretty dramatic. I, yeah, I don't know if he's gonna get the same hospitality in Canada. Well, I'm like, okay, are they gonna try to outdo us? Probably. Like, are they... Yeah. I don't, I don't- They're known to be friendly anyway. We had to overcompensate because- Uh-huh America is- Uh-huh known to not be friendly To not be friendly. So I feel like- We have gone all out We have gone all out. And all the companies are- We've like, I'm involved we- we, the, our podcast, we'll send him some merch. We have zero merch. Yeah. Freddy, if you're listening, we need Freddy- To wear our merch that we don't have. So there's a running joke now that Freddy's having a better American vacation than like most Americans have ever had. Yeah. And companies are just continuing to Crazy fight for him. Yeah, like he'll be in Texas Roadhouse eating, and Bubba's Burgers is bringing him like a whole thing of merch. He had to buy new luggage. I think somebody gifted him new luggage. It's great. Yeah. I'm- I'm in love with this whole thing. Yeah. Oh, and speaking of the, Europeans being here Did you hear what happened at the Sam Adams place? No. So, sorry, brewery I guess, Apparently, they got wiped out. Oh. I'm pretty sure it was the Scots. And I forgot what they're called, but they're- they're wearing their kilts, and they're drinking it all. They said that they sold more then than they did on St. Patrick's Day. Oh, wow. They're having, they were having to like bring in booze. Wow. That's impressive. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I am really loving all of this camaraderie and just- That was like my wedding all the things. They said that we had the most alcohol drank at any wedding ever in the history of the place that we got married at. Did you run out? Close probably. Well, one of our friends worked at the- the place, regularly, but she was a guest at our wedding. Mm-hmm. So she was talking to whomever. Yeah. "We also had a hurricane the night before." It was just a mess. Yeah. You know what? It was a sign. They- they tried to tell me. Okay. yeah, she said that they had more alcohol drank at our wedding than- Oh my gosh any wedding ever. Did y'all have like a complete open bar? Yes. That's a lot. And as soon as I said I do, I was like, "I need a drink. I do need a drink." Yeah. I do need a drink. Yes. One thing a lot of people do at weddings now is they have a, like a signature drink. Mm-hmm. And I think that's the cutest thing. They'll have like a, you know, a his and hers kinda like a martini- Yeah or whatever. I love that idea. Yeah, yeah. So cute. No, they didn't have all that cute stuff at my wedding. No, they didn't. They didn't. But it's all good 'cause now it's over. Yeah. I can try again. If you at first you don't succeed, try, try again. I was gonna ask you if you'd get married again, but I didn't wanna jump- Probably not. Well, I don't know. Maybe. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. We got a lot to, to- There's, there's lots of steps before that yes, yes, yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. But I do love planning a wedding. Like, well, uh, not even planning. Like I just liked the trying on the dresses. That deescalated quickly. Like you were like, "I just love planning a wedding and doing all..." No, actually I don't. No. It's just dresses. I just like dressing like a princess. I like, I like playing dress-up. That's great. That is great. I get obsessed with planning things. Yeah. Or I can get obsessed, like about anything. Like I just start, I want to do all the research- My perfection yes, exactly. Thank you. I couldn't think of the- That's my ADD. Well, hello. Sorry, I didn't mean to smack you. Well maybe I did. Well. I like carrying things out. See, I'm not, I love to start it- Yeah but I never follow through at all. I am a, I'm a list maker just so I can check things off. Mm-hmm. I get that satisfaction. So when things are- Okay, so let me ask you this. Okay. Can you do a digital list? I can't. I need paper. I, I can, but I don't feel as satisfied. I have one, but it's more just so I do remember, 'cause I always have my phone with me. Mm-hmm. But I prefer to write things down. I cannot. I will not follow, for whatever reason- Yeah a digital list. I want nothing- No to do with it. I also prefer paper calendar. Me too. I really have tried to use a digital calendar. Yeah and it just doesn't work for me. Now, I have two separate calendars. I have one with, money stuff, bills and payments and all that fun stuff. That one's digital and fine. Mm-hmm that's okay, but, things to do- Yeah I need to see it. And does your brain work in like one-week increments? Like, when you think... Is yours one week? Mm-hmm. Mine's kinda almost two weeks. Like, I, I don't know what I'm doing tomorrow, uh, let alone- Right. No, I might not know, but, when I think about, I don't know, I have brain senior- See, I have such a short-term memory. You're a goldfish. I am. I'm Dory. Um, when I got pregnant, side note, one of the girls I worked with at State Farm in Tennessee, nicknamed me Dory, 'cause, I, I'm bad now- Yeah but, I was so much worse when I was pregnant, not being able to remember anything, and they literally called me Dory. I have never picked up on that from you. I- Maybe because I don't remember either. Because we're never really doing, like, important, important things. Yeah. But, I definitely lost a lot of my, Yeah on it- Yeah ness. You know what I can't do as much I can't multitask like I used to. At work I used to be able to be on the phone and handling something else, and literally writing something else for another issue, and now I have to lock in on the one thing. Yeah. I can't. I get distracted way more easily now. That too. But I think that's also working from home versus working in an office setting. I think it's that. I think it's also just the digital era. It's just a habit to pick up our phone and look at it. Mm-hmm. Jackson and I were having this heart-to-heart not long ago, not major, but you know, and he just picked up his phone in the middle and I was like, "What are you doing?" He's like, "I didn't even, mean to, it was just-" Habit. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. To look at the phone. Yeah. I get that. Yeah. I totally understand- Mm-hmm 'cause I am just as bad. It's just habit. But it's all good. It is all good. Did you watch our docs? I sure did. It was called Squatters Get the F Out of My House. Mm-hmm. Now, There's another Squatter series on A&E. Okay. And I thought that, that this was what that was gonna be. Okay. But it wasn't. But there is another series where, the dude literally goes in there and, lives with the people because they won't get out, and he's like, I got my rental agreement right here." Uh-huh. "I'm supposed to be here. You're not." He has, a whole, crew with him to kick them out. But that, I thought that- Buzz this was, but that's not. That's not what we watched. No so this was six episodes. Yes. And do you wanna go episode by episode, or do you wanna- Yeah, we can just kind of- Yeah, we can do that. I, immediate takeaway, instantly angry. Yeah. Okay. Furious. Yeah. I don't even understand. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, let's talk about ep one. Okay. So ep one was called How to Hijack a House. Yeah. A queen homeowner discovers squatters living in her family home. When she enters with a news crew, the squatter pushes into the door, calls the police, and the owner gets arrested. The viral footage sparked a nationwide outrage and changes state law. Mm-hmm. This was bananas- Yeah that the homeowner got arrested. I know. He convinced the police. She had the deed to the house, everything. She had all the paperwork. If... When you watched it, though, when you heard him talking, you were like, "Yeah, he talks a really good game." Yeah. She has the paperwork. She's got the receipts. But he is really laying it on. But then- I know the news crew was there- I know saying she's got the documents. Like, what are you doing? Why... Right. Yeah, agreed. So put yourself in this position, right? Say, like, you go away for a month on vacation. Mm-hmm. Somebody ends up in your house, and they won't leave. Mm-hmm. And, do you just randomly have your documents- No to prove it's your home? I've, no. No. No. They're all, every one of these are, like, walking up with a deed to the house. I'm like, I wouldn't even know where to find one. I'm sure that they had to do some digging. They had to look around for those a little bit. But if you come to your house, if you're, in that situation, you just leave for, a month on vacation. Yeah. Or, you are only in your home part-time. What killed me too was,, did they change the door? Yeah, and they changed the locks Yes you cannot get into this house you own. No. I don't understand. But then, the fear factor, right? Mm-hmm. Now, some of these were, years ago. Yeah. But now, people are cuckoo. Mm-hmm Like, crazy. Mm. And I would end up dead. I would end up dead. First I'd be in cuffs, and then I would go back. Yeah And then I'd be dead. I just don't understand... Well, let me backtrack. Like you said, they changed the law. To say squatters are not tenants. Right. And thank God. A squatter's basically an intruder. But all these squatters have all these fake documents of, rental agreements and all these- Mm-hmm things. And it's only gonna get worse as AI I don't even wanna leave my,, like- Oh I feel like somebody has to be in my house at all times, one of my immediate people. Crazy. 'Cause, I could just be here and just say I'm not leaving. Okay. They're not. That didn't go the way I planned. Yeah, okay, so I felt, the wo- the woman getting arrested- That was crazy to me and they had it on video. I know. The news crew. Crazy, man. Crazy. That was the only reason anything got done was 'cause of the news crew. Absolutely. Thank goodness. Because the, judge in that city saw the newscasting- Yes and was like, "Oh, no, no, no." Yeah. So that's- Yeah the only reason she got her home back. Mm-hmm. Mm-mm. I felt bad for her. And then all the damage when she got back into it, apparently that one was about $200,000 to repair all of that. Yeah. I don't know, just crazy pants. So then episode two, The Parasite of Malibu. In Malibu, an eccentric squatter embeds herself in an elite beach community, exploiting tenant protections and legal loopholes to live rent-free, leaving homeowners financially drained, emotionally traumatized, and battling to reclaim their home. She's a serial squatter. I think most of these people are. I guess. I just don't understand. I, I'm sorry, I'm gonna say that about 1,000 times. Mm-hmm. And I'm gonna try to not, but... and she was, like, British or something, wasn't she? She- Yeah, I feel like s- Something? Yes, she had some kind of, yeah. Well, who knows if it was real, because I feel like she'd be the one who just, makes all the things up. Mm-hmm. But yeah, so she was in Malibu, in the bu. Mm-hmm. Well, I mean, if you're gonna squat in a house- Yes go to a nice place. Yes. I wouldn't want to squat in Clover, South Carolina if I can go squat in, in Malibu. In Malibu. If I have my options for squatting locations. It's not gonna be here. Squat sounds so disgusting- I know like that, doesn't it? Who came up with that name? I don't know. I feel like there should've been something else, like- Like invader? Yeah. Yeah, like let's just figure out something else better than squat. And what got me too about her is they're like, "If you see her, go the other way." people know that she's like this. Mm-hmm. Crazy. Yeah. Yeah, there wasn't, a big, oh my God moment for me- Right for that episode- No other than, this is crazy. Yeah. Episode three, The Dating App Squatter. When Colorado Spring's mom dies, a man claiming to be her common-law husband takes over her home. Her family watches helplessly as the squatter destroys everything and taunts them with photos in her clothes. Then he sues them for $400,000- Yep from prison. He's like a cockroach- that just won't go away. This was, like, true crime-y feeling. Yeah. Like the real true crime-y feeling. They should've looked into the, her death. No. Yeah. It was the, it was the clothes for me. The whole thing is gross. Uh-huh. He immediately went into action. He didn't visit her at all in the hospital- Mm-hmm while she was dying in the hospital. But all of a sudden. And then all of a sudden they're common-law married. That's- Yeah bananas. Yeah. That was hard. I felt so bad for her. She had two sisters, I think, that were being interviewed. I don't remember. It doesn't matter, but- Yeah yeah, I felt, I just felt bad for the fam. But then to sue them after the fact, I mean- I know. He won prison that he didn't show up to court. Well. 'Cause he was in prison. You should have thought that one through, bud. Obviously, thinking things through isn't his strong suit. But the attorney or whoever that supposedly, filed the paperwork wasn't even an attorney. I missed that. Yeah. Jeez. Kinda like Dr. Phil not being a doctor. Yeah. It was, like, all sorts of scammy- Yeah even in that part. Yeah. It wasn't even, a legit lawsuit that one felt smarmy gross. Yeah. Yeah. The others just really pissed me off. That one pissed me off and it felt like, ugh. Episode four. Okay, so a sophisticated con artist becomes the ultimate squatter, posing as the official trustee of a reclusive millionaire's estate in Los Angeles. As she cashes in on his fortune, investigators race to find Charles Wilding before his legal rights and his life are erased. But he was erased. He was erased. Because he was dead. He was dead. And she she told them at the end they tried to dissolve the body, but they were having a hard time. But then do you not question how he died? I don't think it was of old age. Mm-hmm. I think these people- Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm talk about a true crime moment. Which is, yeah, yeah, exactly, which is probably why the, one reason why they wanted to get rid of the body. So- Get rid of the evidence but she went in there, right? So she sends out this letter- Mm-hmm to all the neighbors- Mm-hmm "hey, I'm so and so," Mm-hmm "the trustee for this house." Mm-hmm. "And we're gonna be doing some renovations, and if you have any questions, let me know." Way to announce your presence, right? Mm-hmm. If you're trying to be whatever. Right. The stupidity. Does it raise more red flags when you do that? I think that- Than when you just are, like, sneaking in and, and laying low. I think that if she just went in there doing renovations, if somebody happened to ask, like, "Hey, what's going on?" Yeah, yeah. Like, "Oh, well, I'm helping out with the renovations," you know- Yeah blah, blah, blah. Instead of being like, "Hey, everybody, here I am." It's, "Hello. Hello. Hello." Yeah. So that- Yeah was wacky. And then the neighbor's not trusting this, rightfully so, calls the cops. Cops do a wellness check. Mm-hmm. They can't find this man. Several times. Yeah. Um, and then they spoke to some random person on the phone who was pretending to be the guy. Neighbors did not let up, thank goodness. And they pulled her in, and then they're like, "Is there anything else you wanna tell us?" "Well, now that you mentioned it, um- we did find a dead body, and then we tried to dissolve it, and it didn't work out so great." "Just wanted you to know that this happened." "But he was dead before we got there." I cannot believe that this is real life. I know. I know. I felt like that the whole time. So episode five, Don't Piss Off Patty Peoples. When squatters and their pit bull puppies take over a Jacksonville home, police can't remove them, but Patty Peoples fights back from the sidewalk for 36 days only to discover the squatters' final act of revenge. This was- insane because- Is this the one that grabbed you? One of them. Well- Okay All of them did. Right. Like, watching this entire s- miniseries, it was like- I know, it was all like it couldn't be real. And it got worse and worse and worse with every episode. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And every one was bad. So they bought the house for a flip kinda house. Mm-hmm. And they go there and a woman is there, and they're like, "W- who are you? This is my home." And she's like, "No, I'm renting this house. I, I paid this amount of money. I'm- I'm renting this house." And the poor woman that owns the home she feels bad for the lady. Right. Like, she's feeling compassion for the woman. Yeah. Like, I cannot believe. The lady was like, "You pay me my $3,000 that I put down, and I'll, I'll leave." And the poor woman that owns the house is like, "What do you mean?" "This is my home." For this one, there was not just a, an anger emotion. It was that compassion side that it was... You know, I just felt really bad. Yeah. Real bad. Like, I was- I was- I was more than pissed off. Yeah. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, so then a- as it goes on, you now realize, 'cause the police officer does a background check- Mm-hmm on the woman that is, squatting, and finds out this isn't her first rodeo of police, issues with squatting because she has another case open from the same year. So- They're habitual squatters. Serial squatters. Serial squatters. So, this poor woman that owns the home literally, camps out on the sidewalk outside of the house. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And it was like, "Get out"- screaming from the sidewalk. And it's like these two little old women that, like- Yeah are, are went in on this house to try to flip it. And the amount of people that were coming and going, and, they were in this woman's face. I would've feared for my life. Yeah. It wasn't like they were wholesome people that were squatting. Right. Not that I don't think many- wholesome people squat, but, They looked like they were trying to- Yeah cause. They were naughty. Mm. They were, they were definitely not there for the good of anybody- So- but for themselves. The final night, when they finally are able to give them a, their 30-day, get-out notice- Mm-hmm and they have to wait the full 30 days- Which is crazy. Yes. You're evicting somebody that you never invited in. Yes. Okay, go ahead. So after the 30 days, And she's just sitting outside watching all this happen, still on the sidewalk because- Mm-hmm they camped out for 30- 30-something whatever days. Yep. She's called the cops. There's, people... It, it's crazy in there right now. There's, tons of people. There's things banging, and the cops are like, "We can't do anything until tomorrow. If they're not out tomorrow, that's when we can get involved. But because there is a 30-day-" Mm-hmm. They have to legally follow that. She walks in, and they had ripped out every wall- They had ripped out appliances. They had trashed the plumbing. Any damage that you could do they basically gutted the house. And that's a lot of work. A lot. That's not just, like, you know, pulling a cord out of a wall. That is hard labor work to do stuff like that. And in the court hearing or whatever, it was like a $3,500 restoration fee. It was, like, 70 some odd thou- how- however the amount was to fix it. It was a crazy amount to fix the home, and she got, like, a $3,500 restitution fee, and she hasn't paid to date. Furious But if they're squatting, like, they don't have money. How are they gonna repay? Or do they have money and they're just- Yeah, maybe living that way? True. So our final episode. Yes. This was the squatter and the SWAT team. The SWAT standoff. Yes. Yeah. When Shenita Little discovers a squatter has taken over her first home in Newark, New Jersey, she learns he is linked to a French anti-government ideology claiming sovereign ownership. What follows is a SWAT standoff, a TikTok firestorm, and a fight to reclaim her American dream. I felt so bad for this lady. Mm-hmm. She just got out of an abusive relationship. Yeah Just wanted, a home that was safe, and it was hers. Yeah And she just had something. She just bought this home. Yeah. She was, doing the renovations or- Mm-hmm so she could move in, and goes there, and this dude, m- menacing looking man- Mm-hmm 'cause he's just staring at her- Mm-hmm is in her home. She calls the police. The police are like, "Uh..." And I feel like that's, like, their reaction to e- every one of these things is like, "Um..." Well, because it just feels unreal- Yeah I guess. Yeah. And, and what's the, what's the difference in just being an intruder Yeah there's an intruder in my home. But I guess if they have stuff-, they're claiming, 'cause it's like your word against theirs- Yeah is what I assume is- Yeah the main issue. Yeah. So they find out who this guy is. He's part of this whatever sovereign whatever- Mm-hmm thing, and they're like, "We have to call the FBI in." C- that was crazy. But I was like, you know what? I would prefer that than this 30-day waiting period where they're destroying- True my house. True. 100% would prefer that. True. Bring in the big guns. Yeah. Yeah. So after, this big standoff where she's TikTok live streaming the entire standoff. That is insane. That's genius. Like, she had- It is, yes she had to gain so many followers and, get monetized. Oh, how- Yeah. Can you imagine that popping up in your feed? Do you know how fast I would be zooming in and... Yeah. Listen, I have said this over and over and over. If I ever did a story time on my life, I would've gone viral, but I won't do that. They get the dude, they arrest him. He gets out on bail. And then he disappears, but then he's on podcasts and doing all these, interviews- Mm-hmm about the situation, making it out like the homeowner- Was the psycho. Yeah. Yeah. What? I know. I know. I don't understand how people can even try to put these thoughts. Are they that messed up that they think that this is real? Yes. Do they think their version is true? Well, I just think that they think that the loudest person is gonna win. Well, and unfortunately, they do win until, it gets to the nitty-gritty a lot of times. Yeah. Until the paperwork's identified and- Yeah like in the very first step when she got arrested. But it's, almost, a master level of gaslighting. Oh, yeah. 'Cause, I mean, they are like, "No, I live here." Yeah. Like, "This is my house." Yeah. Like, "This is my house." I'm just gonna continue to say it, and I'm gonna say it so much that everybody just believes it. That's crazy. This, like, this, this would make me, like, literally go off the deep end. Dealing with that, off the deep end. Well, and just- Like cannonball. Boo. I, I just don't get it. No. I just don't get it. No. I get nothing about it. I did make myself laugh, though, when I was watching it. Don't remember which yet, but they were, like, trying to get, entice them to step outside. I was like, "Is this like vampires where you have to invite them in? For squatters, you have to invite them out, and they have to come out willingly?" I totally would recommend watching it, but you will get angry You will get livid. You'll get angry. It was really hard for me to watch. I had to take breaks. The other pod we did with the, scandals- Mm-hmm so sucked in. Yeah. This one I had to keep stepping away. I got upset. I don't know. It blows my mind that- Me too people can get away with this. But this sovereign citizen thing, do you ever watch, reels or whatever on Facebook or TikTok or whatever, and see these people that are driving without licenses and they're being pulled over, and they're saying that they don't need one because they're travelers- Yes and they're sovereign citizens, and they don't- Yes they don't need licenses? And these co- the cops that I've seen, I'm sure there's some that get really frustrated, they have so much patience. They're like, "You have to have one." Yeah. Mm-hmm. And they get so irate. Mm-hmm. "I don't..." Yeah. And they end up getting arrested. Yeah. And then they're like, "I'm a sovereign citizen, you can't arrest me." I don't even understand how... Like, how did that even start? Somebody trying to steal a house? I guess. I guess. Serial squatters- Yeah turns into serial sovereign citizens. But if you had a license and you got your license suspended or taken away or whatever, for whatever reason, then you all of a sudden become a sovereign citizen. You weren't a sovereign citizen prior to you losing your license. Mm-hmm. So it's not something that you believe in or a community that you're truly a part of. You pay them however much dollars to become a sovereign citizen. Sovereign citizen. And they feed you this line of BS that is totally not relevant. And I almost feel like they try to get pulled over so they can have the arguments., I just don't know how people are so delusional- I know that they think it's gonna work. Yeah. I don't know. I do recommend watching it. I do too. Maybe just one or two eps if your anger level rises. But it was fascinating. It was. Yeah., Do you have another doc on your list you wanna talk about? Do you have anything? Well, yeah. The, one that I came across that looked really good to me was the, Woodstock one. Okay. Have you watched that? Mm-mm. Okay. There's a documentary on Netflix. Okay. It's called Trainwreck Woodstock '99. Okay. And that's, right around our time when we were- Oh, I remember when that was, yeah. Yes. So it's just all about the madness of the Woodstock in 1999. Okay. And I think it's only, three eps. Not super huge, let's, let's do that one. Okay, cool. Okay.. I just the other day saw, did you see in the UK, a 30-year-old man grabbed a random three-year-old at a zoo and threw this child into the crocodile enclosure. No. Yeah. So the zoo owner's wife jumps into the enclosure to save the child, and the child only has a broken arm and a broken pelvis. Not only, but, like, at least- But- he didn't get chomped- Right by a, a crocodile. Crocodile. Oh, my gosh the man later, was arrested for, I mean, almost attempted murder? Yeah, attempted murder. Really? Okay. And he was a complete stranger. The student hadn't, like, had no encounter with this- I just need to know- poor baby his mental health status. Well, so there's... He's out on bail already. Disgusting. And this is in the UK? This is in the UK. So then I'm like, you know, following this news story all week- Mm-hmm or whatever, and it said that this zoo was the UK version of Tiger King. Like they had a documentary. Which that was a great one. So this was like a well-known place, I guess, and in the, the documentary they said that he told in like his will or whatever he wants to be fed to the crocodiles when he dies See, I think they're setting him up to be killed, like murdered. Yeah, yeah. Before they, they notify the police. Well, he, he, it's in his will to feed him to the crocs. Yeah. And you know, I have a fascination with the alligators and the crocodiles, but I've Number one, I'm not throwing a child in there. Carole Baskin. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Oh my gosh. Yeah. That is, that is crazy. I can't believe he got bail. As the parent, I would like Oh my goodness. Like, what? I can't believe he's already out. I know. He looks very- A little bit evil. Like he's just got like dead eyes. Yes. Like shark eyes. Yes Did the croc get him? Mm Like, no bites, no nothing, poor child. That was the last update was that he's out on bail, and the child has a broken arm and- That's toughest but, kudos to the wife for- Yeah jumping in there. Yeah that's crazy. Yeah. Do you remember several years ago when the child fell into the gorilla thing? That was a sweet story, though. Yeah. And the gorilla was, like, protective over the child. I love them. Oh my gosh, there's baby beavers by our house. Aren't they adorable? They are. I have a video. Oh, can I see? And Brian wouldn't let me get out of the car and get 'em, and I was too slow to get out to the car to get 'em. So we were going down the road the other day. This is, the main road before you turn and get on our gravel road. We were going down the road the other day, there was a little one in the middle of the road. And I was like, "Is that a squirrel?" You know, uh, and we got closer, I was like, "Oh my God, that's a beaver." And it ran across the road. Do they have a big tail, like a- Yes. It ran across the road and, in a drain. Uh-huh. And then as I'm looking and watching that, I see a chunky one like run and go under a house, and then another one under a house. There's like a whole family over there. We had groundhogs, in Pennsylvania- Mm-hmm that lived under our shed, and then we had to get rid of them because they were, messing up the foundation to the house- Yeah digging holes and stuff. Yeah. But, Yeah it was a whole family of groundhogs. Well, the beavers are bad because It's like a cartoon the way they literally dam up and they're, the points on the ends of the s- the trees are really l- they gnaw them down, but they'll dam it up and then, you know, the water won't flow. And the, and they're doing their job. Yeah. They're doing what they think they need to do. Yeah. Um, but, but they're not great for that area, so I'm sure they'll be- Relocated? Mm-hmm. Yeah. But adorable. Well- Yeah that was, like, my only, WTF for the- the week. Well, mine was deer and, beavers, so there you go. It's all animal related. It is. Crocodiles, deer, and beavers. Oh my. Well, do you wanna do am I the a-hole? Yeah, girl, let's go. This is very, very recent. It is. So June 9th. Uh-huh. Just last, last week-ish, whatever. Doesn't matter. A couple- This month. Yeah. Okay. Am I the a-hole for dropping out of my sister's wedding after accidentally overhearing what she really thinks of me? I, 29 female, have a younger sister, Layla, 26 female, who got engaged six months ago, and when she said she couldn't afford an engagement party, I ended up paying 4,200 pounds for the entire thing, venue, catering, decorations, everything, and she promised to pay me back, but never mentioned it again. Two weeks later she asked me to be her maid of honor, and I was so happy I immediately said yes and started planning everything. Then last week I was on a video call with our mom when Layla walked in, not knowing I could hear, and I heard her tell mom that her best friend Sophie was supposed to be maid of honor but backed out because she's pregnant and exhausted. And then Layla said, "I had to ask," my name, "instead. At least she's already paid for everything, so she'll just keep going along with whatever I need." I sat on mute, not moving for a full minute. Then my aunt told me Layla had been telling her fiance's entire family that I volunteered to pay for the party as a gift. So now this whole family thinks I'm this generous, selfless sister when in reality I'm just a backup plan that she picked because I'm easy to control, and I'm still waiting to be paid back my 4,200 pounds, which equaled $5,700 in US, I think. $5,574 and 3 cents. I called her and told her I was stepping down as maid of honor, and she cried and said I was ruining her wedding. And now my mom is furious and my dad hasn't spoken to me in three days, and everyone is acting like I'm a villain for refusing to smile and stand next to someone who only sees me as an ATM with legs. I was on mute, not deaf. Oh, mic drop. Am I the a-hole? I don't think so. I don't think so either. That's really being taken advantage of. Yeah. I think- That's a lot of money I think your sister's the a-hole. Mm-hmm. I do too. Like, why would you... Well, that doesn't matter. I was- But it sounds like this, the sister's a spoiled little brat. Was she the baby of the family? Uh, the one's younger. The- Yeah brat is younger. Yeah, so she's the baby. I'm sure she's used to- Getting her way you know. That's how we babies are. Well, you know. But still, not even- Just taking advantage. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I feel like if somebody would do something like that for me, I would be, like we said that the Americans are overcompensating, I'd be like, "You guys, this amazing party is sponsored by..." But she's supposed to pay the money back. But she's supposed to pay it back, but now she's just going around telling everybody it was a gift. Uh-huh Yeah, I don't know. Ah. All right, there is an update two days later. Okay. I'm scared it's gonna ruin their family. Mm-hmm. Um, June 11th, so two days later. "Update: I did not expect so many of you to respond and have read through so many comments. Thank you, genuinely." "Strangers on the internet have shown me more kindness in one day than my own family has in years, and that says everything. Here's what has happened since I posted. I screenshotted every single message where Layla acknowledged the £4,200 as a loan. Three texts from her saying she would pay me back, saved in three different places now. I sent my parents a calm, factual email, no emo- no emotions, no dramatics, just a timeline. The engagement party cost, the loan agreement, what I'd heard on the call word for word, what she had told his family. I told them I love them, but I will not apologize for removing myself from a situation where I was being used." Mm-hmm. She's not gotten a reply yet, by the way. Mm-hmm. So, uh, she says she, uh, "Have canceled every booking I made as maid of honor and got back what I could. The rest is a lesson. I've not contacted her fiance yet, but I'm not ruling it out, and he deserves to know the £4,200 was never a gift. Still sitting on that one. Will not be attending the wedding, will not be sending a gift." I'll be booking a trip somewhere that I've never been with the money I would've spent on her hen to deposit. Hen's like a bachelorette party. I think that's cute. Mm-hmm. Um, to everyone who said chosen family is realer than blood, I'm starting to understand that now. I was on mute, not deaf, and now I'm done being silent too. I'll update again if anything happens. Wow. But why was she putting down payments, more deposits down? I don't... When she said she started planning everything- Was that just for the bachelorette party? Like, an Airbnb, I guess, maybe. I don't know. Yeah whatever else you would, the stripper. I don't know how. I don't know. Bachelorette things have gotten so, we've, we could do a whole- Awesome ep on that, but yeah, I don't know what else she was putting deposits on. But good for her. I'm proud of her for that. Boundaries. Yes. Uh- Claps for you no is a full sentence. But yeah, I don't think she's the hell. The sister definitely is, and the parents are. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-mm. That, I'm not a fan. I'm not either. Come here. Come to the Americas. You all are here now anyway. We'll, I'll take you to Buc-ee's. I'll take you to the Waffle House. We'll even fight. You wanna fight? Okay. You would so win. I would not anymore. I might. It depends on how mad I am. If I watch that documentary- And then, yeah, that's, that's your pre-game. So this is our point where we're gonna do our book review, so if you are not into the reviews, if you're not a bookie- Mm-hmm you may exit now. We love you. Thank you for listening. Come back next week. We do love you even though you can't read. Bye. All right, um, so we read The Lake House Children by Greg Dunnett. So here's a little blurb. Yep. At first Kate's confused about what he's telling her. Don't little kids say the weirdest things? But soon she can't pretend it isn't something more. No four-year-old should know what Jack does, have memories from before he was even born. Then Jack reveals something he saw years ago at the family lake house, something that, if true, could tear their family apart, could never be forgiven. What really happened all those years ago, and how far will Kate go to find out? Go ahead. It was your book, so I, I liked it, but- Okay. Okay. I liked the premise of this book. Mm-hmm. Um, of course spoilers. We, don't hear a lot about reincarnation, I kept... In my head I was like, "Are we really going down that path?" Mm. "Or is there something darker going on?" Mm-hmm. Like, where is this coming from? Mm-hmm. I liked that it was different in that. But side note, creepy children- Mm-hmm are worse than creepy adults. Uh-huh. Um, I mean, he wasn't even, like, creepy. He was just saying things that he shouldn't know- Yeah about- What happened things that happened and- So some spoilers. Yeah. So we're gonna get into the big spoilers now. Yeah. So three sisters go to their father's big, giant lake house. Mm-hmm. And Dad ends up committing suicide. Which that seems kind of random at the very beginning of the book. Yeah. So he dies- that didn't even need to happen. No. Okay, anyway. He dies by choice. Mm-hmm. Um, and then the three daughters are left at this house. So then you see, this backstory. One of the sisters, Beau is her name? Was it Beau? Something like that. B something. Bea. Bea. She lost her son several summers before. Mm-hmm. Her son drowned at the lake house. Mm-hmm. So she obviously isn't in love with this... Like, it's bad memories for her. She's obviously- Yeah not over it. Yep. The other sister- Mm-hmm who has twins- Mm-hmm is like, "No, we're gonna keep the house, and we're gonna renovate it, and it's gonna be this big, fabulous thing," and- Mm-hmm on and on and on, and offers to fund all these upgrades to this home. Mm-hmm. Major upgrades and major fixes. So our main character, Kate, I think her name was- Mm-hmm has a son, and- He's three, I think, at the beginning of the book Yes, and so he's like slowly developing and can't really speak fully yet. Um- Mm-hmm he's having some developmental stuff going on. And- His name is Jack his name is Jack, and the boy that died's name was Zach. Coincidence? I think not. I think not. So now Jack won't take baths, he won't get near water. Mm-hmm. He's petrified of water, and he can't really verbalize anything yet. Right. But what he is saying is like mumble jumbo to adults- Right but he's trying to say, "I am Zach. I drowned." S- but he's saying it like, "I ack, I ow." Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Like, that's the words. The audiobook was great, by the way. It was wonderful, yeah. It was, it was great to hear that phonetically. So everybody's, "Oh, we don't know what you're saying, dude." Yeah. So they end up, they just give him like sponge baths every day. Okay. Yeah, they use baby wipe- Yeah baby wipes. I was like, I don't know how, like... Right. I don't, I, I feel like there's a better way. Yeah. But anyway. So they don't go near water, and as the child's now being able to say more things- Mm-hmm there's other instances, like they were at the sister Bee's house and she had a train. Yeah. And he kept saying like, "Mine, mine, mine," but she's saying, "Fine." Yeah, yeah. "My a- my ain, my ain." Yeah. Yeah. What she was trying to tell them is, "My train-" Mm-hmm which was one of his favorite toys when he was Zach. Yes. Yes. Just to be clear, it's not like this kid is being possessed by Zach or whatever, but he's just got memories of, he keeps talking about when he was big. Mm-hmm. That's how it started, like he did things when he was big. So they try to dig into it, come, and he was saying, "I ack." Uh-huh. Which was, "I'm Zach." But they were also thinking, "I'm Jack." "I'm Jack," exactly. Uh-huh. Um, but, but yeah, that was he, when he was bigger, so he has memories of when he was a little kid doing all these things. Mm-hmm. So the mom finally is like, "Yeah, something's going on here," Yeah she's g- showing him pictures of like different h- beach houses that he would've visited. It's undeniable that there's... Right, like he had never been to this beach house with this, you know, with his, his new family. Uh-huh. But as Zach, he had been there, and he's like picking out houses and picking out toys that were, you know, specifically his- Right Zach. This whole time Kate's husband is like, "No, no, no. This isn't-" I knew something was up with him. Me too. Like I, he, he- I couldn't figure it out- Could not but definitely the kid loved him, so I was like, "Okay, he's not hurting the kid." Yeah. But something's off. The way though that he was- I think it was Neil yeah, I, he was British or something. He- Ugh. I'm just kidding. Just kidding our new English friends. But he was, he, like fighting it tooth and nail, like this is not... He was a scientist, so he- Yes doesn't believe in- He was very much a- spiritual right, very much a evolution and the way things happen and just even at the end of the book when some of the stuff came out that we can get to, was just he basically blamed it on being a scientist. Yeah, so fast-forward, like they do all the things to try to figure out if this is a re- Mm-hmm reincarnation, whatever. They go to the house after the renovations are done and the fancy sister- And pretty Kate hasn't told her other sisters about this. She doesn't wanna hurt anybody and bring up stuff and, and whatever, so she's just trying to teach Jack to not say this kind of stuff around his other mommy. Mm-hmm. Which is crazy. Yeah. I would be so jealous. I, I've... Yeah. But anyway, so then they're, they're gonna be all together as a family- Right at the, after the renovations are done. So the renovations are done. They have this big, like, grand opening party. Mm-hmm. Kate's son Jack now has revealed that he was drowned by his cousin Aaron. Mm-hmm, who was one of the twins. One of the twins. That they were playing a game that he didn't like, and Aaron kept holding his head underwater and ended up killing him. But the twin's mom told the police that- He was out playing Zach was not listening and kept going- Mm-hmm swimming out further and further, and she couldn't reach him. By the time Mm-hmm she got there, he was already gone. Mm-hmm. So just keep that in mind. Mm-hmm. We get to the, to the grand opening lake house and everything comes out. Mm-hmm. So they're all like i- it, it just all like- Implodes. Mm-hmm implodes. And they're questioning the sister like, You told the police this. What were you doing?" And she was like, "I was on the phone." Yeah. "I was on a phone call." And Jack is like, "No, you weren't." Like, you were making babies. You were making babies. And they're like, "With who?" Uh-huh. And meanwhile, this, the sister's husband's also sitting at the same table. Mm-hmm. The entire family is there. Mm-hmm, everybody's there. And Jack says, "You were making babies with my daddy." And e- everybody looks at Bea's husband- Uh-huh or baby daddy- Right um, that was there. And he's like, "Not me." Right. I, I wasn't even here. Right. Like- Yeah, yeah not it. Not it. I was... Yeah. And it ends up being Kate's husband that she was sleeping with. So not only do we have that the son's a murderer and has lived his life like, woo. Right? His twin sister was also there during this. She was there covering it up, and she's obviously been affected by this her whole life because- Yeah the ending. So they're trying, all trying to deny everything. Yeah. And the other twin- Mm-hmm the sister says, "No, I'm not lying anymore. This is all true." Yeah. You could tell she was disturbed, though. Yeah. The way she came across, like she had a lot going on, but So basically every sister- And two of the three husbands, I don't know, like everybody had stuff that they were trying to hide, plus, plus the twins. Mm-hmm. And then it ends with, or actually it starts with, and the whole thing's kind of flashback-y, of, of a m- murder. Yeah. Well, so several murders. Right, yeah, true. So right. So going back, at the beginning of the book, Kate's being interviewed by the police- Mm-hmm because there was a house fire. Mm-hmm. And several people of the family died, and you don't know who died in the beginning, like- Right this whole thing. Right. So Kate was one of the survivors. they all go to bed that night. Everybody's pissed off. N- everybody's in their own separate areas, although Kate's husband was not with her, and, and Jack, he was- Right downstairs or wherever- Right a different room. And how about Tristan and Bee being together? Yes, I loved that. They still had like that- Yeah they just, you know, a lot of times trauma does that in families. It's just like you break apart. You still have that connection, but you're like, "I just can't look at you every day." Yeah, mm-hmm. But yeah, so in the house, this beautifully redone house- Yeah, a fire's lit. Yeah. And half of the family dies and the other half- Yeah survives. They jump out the window, up, down the trellis or whatever- Yeah and they survive. And then that's how you end it, with the police telling her who actually set the fire. Which was, I mean, did you see that coming? No, I did not. I didn't know who it was. I thought it was gonna... I, this is what I thought. I think I've been burned by so many books before. I thought they were gonna random- Unintended. Right. I thought they were randomly gonna introduce another character- Yeah that like where the freak did this come from? Yeah. But, good book I would recommend this book. I would read more by this author. I don't know if we have- If you've lasted this long, you've listened to all the spoilers, though. Yeah. But read it, 'cause it's it's good. It's really interesting. Would you recommend this book? 100%. It was different than your normal, whodunit. Mm-hmm. Um, you had like more supernaturally- Yeah vibe kind of to it. Unpredictable for me. Uh-huh. Yeah, me too. I did not see the ending. Right. You knew, you knew who was kind of giving off weird vibes. There was actually, like, several twists that I didn't see coming. So this is another spoiler. Yeah. The cop went and talked to Jack again. Mm-hmm. And do you think his memories are fading out? Do you think he's gonna forget some of Zach stuff? Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, which is sad. And then as, the sister, right, Bea, like- The first mommy? Yeah. But they were all living together at the end, weren't they? Yeah, she, they had moved in with- Kate? Mm-hmm do you share custody? Like, how does that work? I know. I know. Yeah, no, I know. And do you try to encourage them to keep those memories- Yeah so you can have a piece of your kid? I'd be doing everything I could to- Yeah to do that. You know what was sad, though, is like he didn't remember Tristan or whatever the guy's name was. Yeah. The, the original father. Yeah. I think it was Tristan. Well, he was on the road a lot. Yeah, he was a, he got to travel with a lot of bands 'cause he- Cold plays people and all that kind of stuff. Mm-hmm. I was, I truly though, let's go back to the very beginning when the dad dies. Mm-hmm. The whole thing was weird the whole thing with it started and then the, the girl that was with him that they thought that he was gonna marry, that whole part, I don't know if it was supposed to be a- Yeah, it was unnecessary was a red herring or... don't pay attention to that part if you read. It doesn't matter. Yeah. It doesn't mean anything. I think it was to show, how maybe, the sister who was the, the mom of the twins- Mm-hmm 'cause she was like, We need to get her out of here." They were trying to, they were already talking about, they've already, looked into getting him committed or having- Yeah a doctor say he was crazy, and so- Insane, so whatever paperwork was- So they didn't lose any- Yeah of their money. Yeah. Could be. They had already, calculated out how much each child was gonna get. Yeah. So I think it was maybe to show, like, how conniving she was. What her mindset was. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I guess. It just felt so, disconnected. Yeah. But very good book. I would read more by him. Yeah, me too. Yeah, I liked it a lot. Same. What would you rate it? Do we, did we do one through 10? I don't remember. I don't either. I think we did. Okay. I think we did 10s. Now that I've said it out loud, I'd 10. Yeah. There was nothing I didn't like about this book. That little disconnect- Yeah not a big deal. I'll forgive him. Yeah. Um, well, uh, there's probably some deeper meaning like you were saying that I don't, I didn't pick up on. But yeah, liked it. How about you? Yeah. I would, same. Yeah. Like 9 1/2, 10. Yeah. Yeah. Good one. Good. Okay, so our next episode's gonna be a mini ep, and we will do the documentary- Yes Of Woodstock. We'll go deep dive into that. Perfect. And then we'll be back the following week with our full episode. Thanks, guys. Thank you for listening. Please leave us a review, and we love you. We love you. Thank you. Bye.