Ethical AI, Authentic Voice, and the Joy of Progress with Jade Arthur

What if job hunting could feel more like leveling up than burning out? Jackie sits down with language and mindset coach Jade Arthur to explore how AI and game design thinking can transform ESL learning, portfolios, and interview prep, especially for creatives entering the gaming industry. Jade walks us through a clear, repeatable workflow: define your outcomes, prompt ChatGPT for layered outputs, then move everything into Gamma to create a polished, visual resource your learners and job seekers will actually use.

We compare the traditional “wall of text” experience to a resource-first approach that scales: short and long versions of content, vocabulary and grammar targets, comprehension checks, and writing prompts—all structured around the ARCS model (attention, relevance, confidence, satisfaction). The payoff is tangible. Adult learners stay engaged, candidates can see themselves in role-specific scenarios, and coaches spend less time formatting and more time adding nuance, voice, and context.

Motivation gets a serious upgrade as well. Jade shares how gamified tracking, small wins, and vivid metaphors—like “job search villains”—help people push past vague anxiety and take focused action. Whether you teach ESL, build curriculum, or mentor designers and developers, you will leave with practical steps to ship something useful this week: a concise deck, a case study, or an interview prep kit that looks sharp and feels true to your voice. 

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Transcript

Welcome & Guest Intro

Jackie Pelegrin 0:01

Hello, and welcome to the Designing with Love podcast. I am your host, Jackie Pelegrin, where my goal is to bring you information, tips, and tricks as an instructional designer. Hello, instructional designers and educators. Welcome to episode 104 of the Designing with Love podcast. I'm thrilled to have Jade Arthur with me today. Jade is a language and mindset coach for job seekers in the gaming industry, blending expert English and teaching with creative job search coaching. She has over five years of English teaching experience across ACT, SAT prep, business English, pronunciation, ITUPS. I think I said that right, Jade, IT English, and conversation skills. Plus, she's been leveraging AI tools like ChatGPT and Gamma to create clearer, more motivating resources for learners and job seekers. Welcome to the show, Jade.

Jade Arthur 0:55

Hi, Jackie. Thank you so much. I'm so glad to be here. Appreciate the opportunity.

Jackie Pelegrin 0:59

Yes. Sometimes I make a little bit of a boo-boo in my intro, but that's okay. You know, my listeners aren't about perfection. It's about authenticity. So it's okay.

Jade Arthur 1:09

Exactly. I teach my students sometimes, you know, make the mistakes. That's why you're here.

Jade’s Path Into ESL & Gaming

Jackie Pelegrin 1:13

Right. Exactly. Jackie. Exactly. So to start, uh, can you just tell us a little bit about yourself, Jade? And what inspired you to focus on helping job seekers in the creative field, such as gaming, with job search coaching?

Jade Arthur 1:27

Yeah. Thank you for asking. So yeah, I started more, like I said, with ACT, SAT, like you said before. And I wanted to do that more, but being under a non-compete made it really difficult to continue to find opportunities and something I really enjoyed and was good at. So I stumbled onto teaching English as a second language. The problem with that was it's hard to get paid enough money teaching that online. There are so many companies out there, and they're able to get away with paying very little. So as I kind of evolved my understanding of language and I started to understand where I could best fit, I realized that I was getting people in my network that were in gaming, because I'm a huge Pokemon fan. And I started to see where those kind of things intersected, gaming and education. And once I started seeing the value in that, I was also able to understand how can I tap into that, how can I talk to that audience? Because I like to learn through gaming. I learned some stuff through computer games when I was little. And I realized that there's a there's a place for that here, if I can take those skills and provide them to job seekers. And so that's how I ended up coming up with my program and my my coaching industry, as well as teaching ESL still, because I enjoy that.

Jackie Pelegrin 2:56

Wow, that's great. So you you saw uh a need and you could see that there's a value in this, and it's not just about always fun, but it's a way to blend that and be able to create it so that it provides educational value and it's not just an add-on, but it really is integrated in a way that provides that as well.

Gamification Meets Adult Learning

Jade Arthur 3:16

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Gaming, gaming tends to be seen as something separate or as a reward. But as we've as we've evolved, we kind of start to understand how gamification can apply to learning and how it can apply for people that are older, so that it goes beyond just, oh, you know, making education fun for the kids. We're still kids inside, and I want to bring that out through how I present the material.

ARCS Model Applied To Careers

Jackie Pelegrin 3:41

Wow, that's great. I love that because there's a particular um model, it's and it's used in instructional design, but it's not as well used. And I'm trying to change that, and I'm trying to help other instructional designers, those that I teach, and uh and just in general to learn about this model. And it's called the ARCS model, and it stands for attention, relevance, confidence, and satisfaction. So that ties really well into gaming, right? Because we look at how can we get their attention, how can we provide that relevance to what they're learning, and then how can we build that confidence? And I think gaming does a great job at doing that with the rewards and the leveling up, right? And and then give them that satisfaction that says, at the end of this, yeah, I know that I really learned what I needed to learn or help with that, like what you're doing with job seeking and getting that that job that will sustain them. So it's really great to see how we can help those adult learners through that and use those models and tools that that help us along the way.

Jade Arthur 4:37

Yeah, that's really acronyms are really helpful, like that.

AI Example: ESL Stories To Gamma

Jackie Pelegrin 4:41

Yes, exactly. So um I wanted to, you know, kind of provide an example for my listeners because I know those are really helpful when we can have those concrete examples. So could you walk through uh maybe one before and after example where chat GPT or Gamma improved ESL or a job search resource, such as a portfolio or maybe interview prep?

Jade Arthur 5:02

Yeah, sure. I actually have that um example here. So one of the things that I like to do is I do create my own GPTs sometimes when I see that there's a need. And I I really like to get the frameworks that I've been learning how to teach with and provide them to students in a way that makes those results more specific and really draws out the value that is hard to get if you don't have something guiding you. So I created this one called ESL Stories that I'd be happy to share if anyone's interested. And it's basically a way to get English teaching stories that are relevant to a particular topic. But beyond just let's talk about, you know, a story about a puppy in the present perfect, it's about the more of the meat of it and the the meaning behind it. So for example, this is one I did not too long ago. I typed in create and I made sure that it asked me these type of questions. What's the topic or the theme? What grammar do we focus on? What vocabulary? What English level? What's the tone or the intention? And what's the goal? That way we're moving beyond just, you know, a story at a certain level with some information about it to what is the purpose of this story being created? What value does it serve the person outside of just learning the language? What does it do for them emotionally or psychologically? So I also have them create a short version and a longer version. That way, the short version they can get some idea of the grammar and new vocabulary. And then the longer version, I can push them a little bit more to get comfortable with understanding a deeper level of context. So when I answered all of those questions, I came up or ChatGPT came up with this. Um, I was helping a student with um like cargo, like imports and exports. So I wanted something related to logistics to that. And it came up with like a little mini story here and a full story that takes that information and then gives an even deeper like storyline, like some of the things that this person did, and adding another character. It also adds comprehension questions, discussion questions, showing some examples, some of the vocabulary, and prompts that can help with the their writing, so that we are dealing with all of the skills reading, speaking, writing, and listening. Um, because that would be asking the questions, would help them listen. So this gives basically a lesson or about a lesson in one in one go. Um, you can ask for more example sentences or more prompts, but you essentially have the the breakdown of what that lesson would be. So once that's done, because I don't want to just use Chat GPT and just scroll down, it's a little bit flat. I take that and I put it into a gamma. And gamma basically creates your own presentation. So I took that, pressed preserve, and got this in a very nice, uh colorful um, because you can also choose the design, very colorful gamma that uh looks nice. I think I added some stuff a little bit afterwards or changed a little bit, but essentially that's mostly what's there, and that's pretty much a lesson ready to go.

Why Visual Presentations Beat Chat Logs

Jackie Pelegrin 8:44

So wow, I love that, Jay. That's great. You're utilizing both tools and and being able to do that, and then you tweak it, you know, to fit what you're looking for. But that's great for job seekers because they then they can put themselves in that role and they can say, okay, this is what career I want. Now I can kind of imagine myself. And you you're kind of creating those case studies and those real life examples for them, and then putting it in a format that is uh is going to work for them. And like you said, it's you don't want to scroll up and down in a chat GPT type of format, but having it visually appealing and um and something that they can come back to, right? And and have that source uh to to reference. So I like that. Wow, that's great. I've used Gamma a few times and I've been introducing it to some of my colleagues at work and like you should give it a try. It's really great. I love it. Oh it's like beyond PowerPoint. Uh it's just so much better than PowerPoint. I actually took some professional development sessions I've been doing for a long time on OneNote, and I looked back and I was like, when did I offer my first OneNote professional development in the department? And it was back in 2015, and I was like, wow, that means I've been doing this 10 years. So I'm like, it's time to give a refresh. And so I decided to use gamma. And so it's just so nice. And everybody was like, wow, what did you what did what tool did you use? And I'm like, gamma. And they're like, oh, so it got their curiosity going. So it's neat. Yeah.

Jade Arthur 10:13

I love, I love how adaptive it is too, it's really adapts to what you need.

Ethical Guardrails & Voice

Jackie Pelegrin 10:17

Right, exactly. So one thing I know that keeps coming up in all my conversations when it comes to AI, no matter what we use it in, because it's in every part of our lives. So one thing that always comes comes up in education and even in job seeking, everything is those guardrails, right? We need to make sure we have those guardrails in place because it's only as good as what we make it, and it is created by humans. So when so when you create with AI, what are some ethical guardrails that you make sure that you always follow and maybe even teach others as well?

Jade Arthur 10:49

Yeah. So this is sort of an ongoing process for me determining what I feel is, you know, what I feel would be ethical and finding a balance between my voice and something that's professional. And so I think that a lot of times it can depend on the prompt and the output that it comes with. Um I tend to use a lot of, you know, Chat GPT things for like announcements, um, you know, some short messages, like some posts, because it's not always necessary to put all of yourself in it if it takes a lot of time. So knowing how much of this can I use where it would be okay for me, but it also balancing out my voice is still an ongoing challenge. And I think that's going to be the case for everybody is when is when is this okay? And how much of this versus me is okay on a consistent basis. Um, yeah, like I said, I think it's I think it's just an ongoing, ongoing determination.

A Practical AI Workflow With Fathom

Jackie Pelegrin 11:55

Right. And just doing that check every once in a while, like, am I depending upon the tool too much? Or is it is it becoming um, you know, a crutch, or is it is it that collaborator, right? And that way to level up what I'm already doing. So that's I love that. That's great. And that's what I've been doing too. And I've been teaching my students to do that. And I always say to my students, if you question, if you think you're cheating, then that means you're you're taking a step back and you're actually saying, wait, is this is this okay to do that? And that's okay to question that. And and I just let them know that yes, as long as the end product is your work and your original work, it's okay. You can use it to outline. You can, but when it comes to reflections or anything like that, it has to be your own work and your own voice. So that's important to let them know what those boundaries are, right? And those guardrails. Yeah, exactly. Wow, I love that. So I wanted to kind of round this out with a playbook, and then we'll go into like the bonus question for all those that love the bonus question uh and everything, which is great. Um, if a listener wants to try your approach, uh, what kind of step-by-step guide can you share with my listeners?

Jade Arthur 13:05

Sure, sure. So the one thing that I would add from what I did earlier was I would also use Fathom. Fathom is a sort of AI like recording tool. Like when you go on here, it will provide a transcript for you that if you attach it to like a Zoom thing call like this, or any kind of call, and you connect it, it will provide you a transcript. It will record it, and so you have that information. And basically, what I would do is copy the transcript, put it into Chat GPT, and you could create a post from that, you could probably create a lesson from that, and then move that to gamma. So it's all really about like, how can I save myself from doing all of this that's really not necessary and still get valuable content that I'm then going to be able to teach? Because ultimately, I think the difference here, because I'm, you know, I I teach and I coach, but I think the difference here is that I have to present this. And if the output is something that doesn't really feel either nuanced or you know, doesn't go as deep as I want, or is just kind of I don't know, it's just not great in some way, or I don't like it, or it's not where I want to go, then it's up to me to determine how do I frame it. And that allows me to ease the sort of the the background, the the essential thing of what it is, how it should look, how it should be structured, and then improve it based on my own knowledge and the direction I want to go. So ultimately keeping in mind what is the message that you are intending with this information, and how much of Chat GPT do you need to get there? And how much of yourself do you need using your own knowledge of language, your own knowledge of the outcome, and blending that together. And I think that's really what it is is taking that stuff when you don't know where to start, you don't know how to structure it, and then using that as your foundation to build on towards your message.

Closed Systems & Privacy Boundaries

Jackie Pelegrin 15:13

Wow, I love that, Jay. That's a great uh great step and great process. Um, so in the case of, you know, like where I work, we work on curriculum for higher education and uh we have a closed system model. Do you think that could still work with a closed system model? Um, and still because we're not allowed to use Chat GPT or Gemini or anything like that, we because the curriculum is proprietary. So I don't know if that's true with K through 12 or anything like that. But um, is would that approach still kind of work where you could still take the output from a closed system model and still put it into gamma and it would still work okay? I'm not sure what you mean by a closed system model. Yeah, so it's uh it's not something that's public. It's uh it's like ChatGPT, it uses the same technology as ChatGPT, but it's uh it's more um, it's got protection behind uh the you know the security walls and IT and everything. So it's only shared with those that work for the university. Um right now students have access to, we have our own um like chat bots. Like we have one that's called Mira for Science, and then we've got Isaac for science and things like that. So it's kind of neat to have uh or Isaac is math, I'm sorry. But um, but it provides that pr extra layer of protection because if we go to chat GPT, then there's that risk of that content getting out there. So yeah, I wasn't sure if that would work for that, but it sounds like you know, um, with closed system models, you could still find a way to make it work without uh compromising anything. So yeah.

Jade Arthur 16:43

Yeah, I mean, I think again, it's all about ethical, the the ethics of it. And and uh, you know, because I don't work for a school, I don't necessarily know the the guardrails that are up for me and what I can do for that for that place and for those people. So I think, you know, determining if you know beforehand what you can do with it, then I think it's probably fine to experiment and then just use what you know you're allowed to use and either delete the rest or whatever. Um, but yeah, I mean, I think it I think it just depends on how private you keep it and what you've been told that you can do, and just trying to stay within those guidelines.

Jackie Pelegrin 17:21

That's a great idea. Yeah, and that's something I even let my students know. And we have a uh a resource that the university is given, and I share it in all my announcements and just say, please don't share your name or any prior proprietary information or you know, private information, you know, make sure it's it stays within that. So that's good. Yeah, I like that that approach. That's really great. Wonderful. So um, so the bonus question uh that I wanted to provide uh for my listeners, which they they love these bonus questions. I started doing this a couple weeks ago with uh some of my sessions, and it's really nice because they get a little bit of that extra bite, right? Uh of that. So if you had one tool like ChatGPT or Gamma, or one move to try this week, um maybe one uh measure to track success, uh, what would that be and why?

Jade Arthur 18:49

Yeah, so for me, the tool would be gamma, and I I choose gamma because chat GPT gives you the ideas, but gamma actually creates its own resource and kind of acts like ChatGPT in a way because it can help you refine what you're saying and adapt. So I would use ChatGPT, I mean I would use Gamma for for that reason, because as a teacher, you have a resource, you have something that you can share. You can turn it into a website, you can turn it into a document, it can be a presentation. There's just so many ways that you can use that. Um as far as like tracking it, another another thing that is a helpful tool is something like um Habitica, which is a website that makes you it kind of gamifies doing tasks. Like if you do that, you get like a power-up and you can defeat this creature and stuff. Um, that's something that you can you can use if you if you need that sense of completion. Um, but I'm I'm still looking for a really cool tracking system, something that, you know, it kind of adapts to what you have done, um, gives you rewards. Um a really cool AI like tracking tool that makes you feel like you're really motivated towards some kind of big end goal. I don't think we're there yet, but I would I would like that because that's something that's really important to me. And I love knowing that I do this, I can get a reward. I was always very good at if somebody has that sort of expectation, I'll get it done. It's just how I was.

Gamifying Motivation & Tracking

Jackie Pelegrin 20:24

Right. I love that. Yeah, like a progress bar kind of, and then you can see you're 50% of the way there, right? Keep going, get that little motivation to keep going and leaderboards and things like that, those little things that motivate you to do a little bit better, study harder or just, you know, whatever it is um that you're aiming towards. I love that. That's great. Yeah. So maybe maybe as AI gets better and better and it uh we're we'll we'll see some of those tracking mechanisms that still keep the privacy, but also enable you to be able to see where learners are at on their journey and job seekers as well, to see what what are the pain points, right? What do they need help with? And and that's what you're there for is to help them cross that finish line, right? And to get that dream job that they're looking for. Yeah.

Jade Arthur 21:10

Exactly. That way, you know, one of my things is, you know, finding the joy in the job search is something that's important to me. So gamifying that process is a way to help with that. And as I like to help job seekers take down the the job search villains, like the cover letter crusher and the interview assassin, I'm taking challenges that would normally be kind of vague and giving them something that they can see in their mind and overcome with the right tools. So I think if we teach that in schools, we teach the idea of job search being a part of education and a part of the process, but also something that can be fun. We are able to handle it better, stay more motivated, and you know, maybe approach it with a more, you know, more resilience and more creativity.

Slaying Job Search Villains

Jackie Pelegrin 21:59

I love that. Especially with creative fields like gaming and and what I do. It's it's always good to have that, those people in your corner, like yourself, that can be there to provide that support and and uh and see where you know where those little you know villains are, right? That they can knock out. I love that. I love that approach. It really makes it to so that it's approachable. It's like, yeah, I have my little villain here. How can we how can we knock that villain out and uh make the hero the one that that conquers in the end, right? Yeah, I love that. It's a great approach. And on your website, it it's it you really take that uh to that next level. And I love that and uh making it clear, so it's great. So everyone that's listening, make sure to check out Jade's website because it's really great. I love that. So as we wrap up, Jade, what are your top two to three tips for listeners who want to use tools like ChatGPT and gamma to make their materials more engaging while staying effective and ethical?

Tips For ChatGPT & Gamma Mastery

Jade Arthur 22:58

Exactly. Yeah, so with Chat GPT, I would say start experimenting with your ideas, but also asking yourself how you can word things better. Become more aware of the language that you're using to come up with your ideas, and you're gonna realize that what ChatGPT a lot of times first produces sometimes is kind of generic and abstract. And when you're able to recognize, okay, what is my voice and how can I adapt this to fit my voice, you then start to ask more questions about what that actually would look like, what that means, and it becomes a more collaborative process that feels more genuine to what you actually want to say and what messages you you want to get across. Um, but also uh keep in mind sources as well. If you're if you're looking up facts, if you're looking up any information that, like, you know, you have data, you got percentages and stuff, see if chat GPT can give you those resources because it's very easy to take something that Chat GPT sort of takes as a general idea, but we want to be sure that we have the source, we've clicked it, we've looked at it, and we've addressed yes, they have taken it correctly from that source. That way we understand how to collaborate with it, but also how to verify our what it puts out as true. And then as far as gamma, I would say um definitely work on, you know, you can pretty much put anything into gamma and it will create something great. You can there's a few options that you can do. You can preserve it if you have a full outline, you can just preserve what you have, and it'll just give you a nice looking presentation. You can condense it. So if you have a lot and you want something smaller, it would be more condensed. Um, I think condense at least has concise, and concise is really cool because it will take it and really focus on what's most important. And then it'll also, there's also one where you can expand, I think, on it, and it'll give you a really detailed version. So I would say play around with what those allow you to do. Um, and you're because you're gonna get a variety of different versions, right? But at the same time, recognize that it's once it expands on it and specifies, it's probably gonna be a bit abstract, a bit more professional and clinical. So you want to again figure out what's another way that I could have this said, whether it's something you thought up or you ask the gamma to come up with a different way of saying it, really think of what is the best way to get this message across. And I think finding a way to say it through your words, say it through their words, and and combine them and experiment can lead you to that result.

Jackie Pelegrin 25:38

Wow, that's great. I love that. And being able to, yeah, experimenting is so important, seeing what works and what maybe you need to tweak a little bit more, and and depending upon the material, right? Is uh is gonna depend upon what direction you go with that.

Jade Arthur 25:53

Exactly, exactly. The question is like, you know, what if Chat GPT gives me a better version than what I would have given myself, like when is that okay and when is that not? That's something that I still kind of think about. And I think a lot of the times I think it's okay because the idea is still there and what I wanted to get across is there. And then if there's any way for me to add in my personality more, great. But you all kind of have to pick and choose your battles. Like, when is it really important for my voice to really be really felt significantly? And when is it okay for it to just be all right, it's professional, it still sounds a little bit like me, but I don't want to spend too much time. So you're kind of choosing when to give yourself more to the project, right?

Closing & Listener Challenge

Jackie Pelegrin 26:37

And just having that uh situational awareness and knowing when it's best to to go with each route. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, and I think that's the key, right? Is to not use it as just that to replace what we do, but it's more to make things a little bit more streamlined for us and exactly. Yeah, give those ideas. Uh one thing we use uh we use in our department, and we started using it in the curriculum, is called the first draft principle. And it's really neat because then it kind of lets the faculty know, and those that are working on the curriculum, and then even some of the students, that the end result is your own, but first draft principle kind of gets it going, and then we tweak it as professionals, and we know what, yeah, it wasn't quite there. You know, it hallucinates. I've seen it hallucinate sometimes. So knowing, knowing what's factual and or what's good and what's not, yeah, it's always having that judgment, always important.

Jade Arthur 27:31

Exactly. And chat GPT can enhance that, it can make it, like you said, more streamlined. A lot of times I'll also talk into the mic on chat GPT, and I did it today, and sometimes that just helps you get out the ideas faster. So that's another cool thing, too.

Jackie Pelegrin 27:46

Right. Instead of typing it up, yeah, I like that. It's great. Wonderful. Well, thank you, Jade, so much for joining me today. Your blend of AI-assisted language and mindset coaching for gaming job seekers, and also your practical guardrails offer a clear path to make learning both effective and ethical. So, to all my listeners, try Jade's one tool, one move, one measure challenge this week and watch what changes for your learners. So, we look forward to having you back on the show, Jade.

Jade Arthur 28:12

Wonderful. Thank you so much for having me, Jackie.

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Jackie Pelegrin 28:15

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