The Regular Guys Bible Study

1 Peter 4:12-5

• Ken Strickland • Season 4 • Episode 8

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Ever wondered how faith and humor can intertwine to navigate life's toughest challenges? Discover Ken's heartfelt reflections on his son's job loss and his daughter's post-college struggles in making friends. Meanwhile, Steve opens up about his hectic work schedule and the upcoming shoulder surgery of his wife, which will add extra household responsibilities to his plate. In this episode, we promise a candid conversation filled with personal stories and a dash of light-hearted humor, including a quirky Bette Midler mention that you won’t want to miss.

Join us as we dive into the profound themes of suffering, faith, and judgment through the lens of 1 Peter 4:12-19. Unravel the complexities behind "And if the righteous is scarcely saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?" and gain new perspectives on enduring trials while staying rooted in faith. Hear our personal anecdotes about facing ridicule for our beliefs and delve into an engaging discussion about whether judgment starts with the second coming of Christ or with those persecuting believers.

The journey doesn't end there. We'll explore the crucial role of elders within the church as described in 1 Peter 5, emphasizing the significance of humility and servant leadership. Reflect on the promise of restoration and glory for those who suffer for Christ alongside insights into the lives of Silvanus (Silas) and Mark, and our thoughts on the identity of Babylon as the church in Rome. This episode offers a heartfelt, thought-provoking, and insightful exploration of faith, leadership, and hope amidst trials. Tune in and be inspired!

Ken:

you are listening to the regular guys bible study podcast, the bible study for regular guys by regular guys. We are your host, ken and steve, and we are just regular guys studying the bible together not theologians.

Steve:

Nope, happy Monday, ken. Is it a happy Monday? It's Monday. Every day is a blessed day.

Ken:

Every day is a blessed day, but I've really been kind of depressed, Steve.

Steve:

Why.

Ken:

That was a setup. I'm glad you did ask me why. I was going to tell you why. So you know about my son. He got laid off after uh he's uh from his engineering job, after just three months of having an engineering job and um, so that's kind of sad. That's been depressing. And I have another. I have another kid who just got out of college that just is having trouble finding friends.

Ken:

You know they're at a weird age because they're not in college, where they just have friends, and the friends she had in college are not anywhere around where she is. It's like.

Steve:

I went through that period.

Ken:

Luckily, you know, I didn't, because I got married right before my senior year in college and so we were in the young marrieds at church and that's a group. That's a group of people, the young marrieds. There is not. Well, I know they call it, I know they say there's like there's young, young adult classes or whatever.

Steve:

They're just hard to find isn't there the one uh at our church every Tuesday, or whatever?

Ken:

Yeah, yeah, she's tried that. It's a little. It's at the Ritchie campus.

Steve:

The big campus.

Ken:

And she doesn't really feel like she fits in with those kind of people. You know, we have lots of different campuses and they have different cultures to them.

Steve:

really, yeah, I get that anyway so so you're sad that you didn't do well as a parent isn't that apparent, it's very clear.

Ken:

Yes, actually you know what. You asked me if I would have played last night. And the reason I didn't want to get out of my chair last night is because I was depressed, I was thinking about her, my heart was hurting.

Steve:

But she doesn't live at home.

Ken:

She is living at home right now, but she has a full-time job. But she's trying to save some money and pay off some debt, some school loans, that's good. So I think it's good for her to live at home, but I don't think it's good for her social life to live at home.

Steve:

No.

Ken:

So, Hmm. Yep, yep. So that's where I'm at, steve. What about you?

Steve:

Well, let's see, work's been pretty crazy, and this Thursday my wife gets shoulder surgery.

Ken:

Oh yeah.

Steve:

Say that three times fast.

Ken:

I can't even say it once Shoulder surgery.

Steve:

It's hard, isn't it? It's really tough yeah. So that means I'm going have to do like all the cooking and stuff for a few days at least, and you think she'll be able to go back at least.

Ken:

You're gonna start in the minors to get back to the major leagues again, um, to go through rehab. That's a baseball reference. I'm, I'm, you're like looking like you're completely lost.

Steve:

I'm talking about you're, not a sports guy, sports guy, and I didn't say anything about baseball I know, but is it rotator cuff surgery?

Ken:

I think so you don't even know what she's doing. I don't know if that is called rotator cuff they had to clean some junk out, I guess okay I don. All right.

Steve:

She's in a lot of pain, though she's had to wait a long time for this appointment.

Ken:

Yeah, okay, and that's Thursday the 19th, right.

Steve:

Thursday morning.

Ken:

Okay, I'll be praying for her, all right. Well, why don't we get to this thing? Let's All right. So we are on 1 Peter.

Steve:

Chapter 4.

Ken:

Chapter 4. Verse 12. Verse 12. And why don't you, Steve, read just 12 through the end of chapter 4. We're going to try to do the rest of chapter 4 and all of chapter 5.

Steve:

Yeah, 5 is pretty short.

Ken:

Yeah, I think we can do this.

Steve:

All right, beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you as though something strange were happening to you, but rejoice, insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when His glory is revealed. If you were insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. Let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name, for it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God. And if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And if the righteous is scarcely saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner? Therefore, let those who suffer according to God's will entrust their souls to a faithful creator while doing good. All righty, what you got in there, ken.

Ken:

Well, I don't have my iPad for some stupid reason.

Steve:

Your notes don't sync. No, what kind of an app are you using?

Ken:

Well, apparently I'm just not logged in because I also just realized I don't have my other translations here that I purchased on my ipad. Wow, sometimes I'm just an idiot. No, you know what, sometimes I'm not an idiot there you go.

Steve:

That sounds more right.

Ken:

Anyway, you know, every time I read evildoers or meddlers for some reason, I think of Bette Midler.

Steve:

I had a feeling you were going to say that Really, god. Is that because of Hocus Pocus?

Ken:

Huh, is she in that? It's a.

Steve:

Halloween movie. She's an evildoer in that.

Ken:

Oh, no, okay, Sure, maybe that's why, subconsciously, I always think of beaches. I think when I think of her.

Steve:

Alright, anyway.

Ken:

Not that I've ever seen that, Because I'm no chick.

Steve:

All right, Steve what do you have?

Ken:

related to these verses.

Steve:

Well, I'm going to ask you to give me a summary of this last little bit.

Ken:

Why would you do that? Okay, this is it. You know what You're going to suffer, and that's all right the fiery trials it's talking about. It's not talking about fire, it's just talking about I mean, you might be burned at the stake. You know, I don't know.

Ken:

It sounds like fire to me there might be fire, but it's really just talking about really tough suffering, intense suffering, and look, you're going to have intense suffering and you know what? It's all right as long as you do it in the name of Christ. If you're suffering because you're sharing Christ and doing good, that's awesome, okay. But look, if you're suffering because you do bad stuff, like you sing, like Bette Midler, or you do evil stuff, then that's consequences.

Ken:

Yeah, don't do that. There's no reason to suffer for that. You deserve that suffering, but suffer for Christ there, that's all.

Steve:

Yeah, that's more or less what I had, okay.

Ken:

I said it. Actually, I could have said it a lot quicker than that. That would have been a much better summary.

Steve:

Yeah, my summary was a lot shorter, so I guess it was more, not more or less, it was just more.

Ken:

You're right, mine was more All right. So what does this mean? And if the righteous is scarcely saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?

Steve:

I'm glad you asked me that, ken, because that stuck out to me as well. So I did a little bit of looking around and scarcely here. If you look at the base word and translation stuff, it means something more like difficult, like not easy, and it's not easy, right. I mean I guess technically it is easy. God calls you and you accept, you're saved.

Ken:

But what's your point, steve? You look like you're struggling there. It's like cat got your tongue. Cat got your tongue.

Steve:

Well, if you read this, at first it makes it sound like believers aren't all saved, because the righteous is scarcely saved. But I think it's more about believers suffer in their being saved and living for Christ.

Ken:

Yeah, so this is a quote from Psalms, right, I'm sorry. Proverbs, proverbs 11, 31. And let's see that says I'm going to read 30 and 31. It says All right, so that's talking, it's not. You know, we've talked before about quotes.

Steve:

And they move stuff around.

Ken:

They move stuff around, they're a little different, but a lot of that's because it's a different. They're having to translate from Hebrew into Greek, right? Yeah, hebrew to Greek.

Steve:

Isn't there some Aramaic in there somewhere?

Ken:

I don't think so. Maybe, but I believe the Old Testament is all Hebrew and the New Testament is primarily Greek, isn't that right?

Steve:

I think so.

Ken:

Okay, Anyway, you know you can look that up. I would not take mine and Steve's word for that. Those are things that we think are true, but you should look it up, All right? Yeah, I struggle with that a little bit. Is he saying that you know the righteous, as in people who obey the law?

Steve:

Could be.

Ken:

The righteous scarcely saved. What will become of the ungodly and the sin? That's how I take it the ones who strive to be righteous through the law.

Steve:

Okay.

Ken:

But I don't know if that's true or not.

Steve:

That would make sense. I mean, no one's perfect and no one can achieve the law, but one.

Ken:

All right. So I want to back up a little bit.

Steve:

Good because I was going to ask you a question in 17,. But go ahead, okay. Well, want to back up a little bit.

Ken:

Good because I was going to ask you a question in 17, but go ahead. Okay. Well, let's back up to before 17. I want to go to excuse me 14. Oh man, that stinks. It says if you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed. Have you ever been insulted for the name of Christ, steve? Okay, let me say this. Let me ask that differently have you been insulted for the name of Christ recently? Hmm is insulted the same as taking slight offense, sure, yeah, then yes, all right, you want to.

Steve:

You want to share or not? Oh, let's see, I gotta do this vaguely enough, just in case someone happens to listen.

Ken:

You don't have to say it.

Steve:

but if you don't want to, so I offered to someone to pray for them. Yeah, and this was on Messenger or Teams or whatever.

Ken:

Yeah.

Steve:

And they put a little laughy head.

Ken:

I was like all right. That was insulting yeah, yeah.

Steve:

And then I had to say, well, I was serious, yeah. And then they came back and sort of tried to backstep a little.

Ken:

Yeah, yeah, that's good Okay.

Steve:

You.

Ken:

You, ah, that's good. Okay, you Not really I don't know. And people I know, some people at work that I've talked to about. They know I'm a Christian and what I believe and they think it's stupid. But they don't. They haven't shown any kind of you know any, haven't like shown that. I just know that because they are um atheist or deist.

Steve:

So yeah, I have a couple of them at work like that.

Ken:

And they're nice to me, so I can't say that's insulting to me. So, and I had a similar situation where I asked a guy at work if I could pray for his wife. And you know it's a little, I guess, socially scary to do that for someone who works for you, right, because they could claim that you're proselytizing them or whatever and I could be fired or whatever. But you know she was going through tough stuff and I said, hey, just let you know I'm a Christian and I would like to put your wife on this thing in our prayer list if that would be okay.

Steve:

And.

Ken:

And he said, oh, thank you very much. He was very nice about it, so I would appreciate. It is what he said, but I don't believe he's a Christian, but he didn't care, so, no, I don't put myself out there, steve, like you do. I guess Enough.

Steve:

It sounds like we're about at the same level here. I'm not very good at it either.

Ken:

People are just more scared of me.

Steve:

Oh, that could be. That could be. Yeah, you are pretty monstrous looking.

Ken:

I know I look like a monster you do All right, what did you want to say, steve? Or ask about.

Steve:

So in 17, it says For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God. And if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? So which judgment is this?

Ken:

Hmm, I believe he's referring to the second coming of Christ.

Steve:

Not the judgment of the people doing the persecution or whatever. These people that Peter's writing to are suffering from oh, maybe.

Ken:

so Let me think about that.

Steve:

But I think it is the judgment of Christ.

Ken:

For his time of judgment. Yeah, okay, yeah, I think it is the judgment of Christ, because it does ask what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God.

Steve:

What does it mean?

Ken:

to obey the gospel of God of God.

Steve:

What does it mean to obey the gospel of God?

Ken:

That, I believe, is believing that Jesus was the Son of God. He came and died on the cross to bear our sins.

Steve:

So obeying is believing.

Ken:

And was resurrected from the dead. And that's very important to believe that second part, that last part, that he was resurrected from the dead, Otherwise you don't believe in the real power of God.

Steve:

Yeah, you're just believing he was a good teacher.

Ken:

Yeah, yes, just believe.

Steve:

Obeying is to believe, and okay. To have faith.

Ken:

This is what you know, what I was told when I was much younger that, like, jesus was given as a gift for us. But the only way to have a gift is to accept the gift right. So it's like accepting this gift by believing it is true that he came for me. And you know what I think? It's clear in the Bible that true belief, actions will follow. We just didn't. We do James already.

Steve:

Yeah.

Ken:

So, through James, it's clear that, through belief, actions will follow, and the truth is, while Paul doesn't go, he doesn't only talk about that, he does talk about that, that your actions will follow, and I think Peter did actually in the first chapter or something.

Steve:

Yeah, it was in here somewhere.

Ken:

So did that answer the question? It did. It did All right. Do you have anything else here?

Steve:

Suffer according to God's will. Are we doing the will of God? Is it possible not to do the will of God?

Ken:

All right, now you're just talking smack. I don't know what that means. I don't know why you're asking that. Steve, is it possible not to do the will of God? Darn you, steve, darn you. Socks, socks. You have to darn Socks.

Steve:

Oh gotcha, I thought it was a cat's name or something that was something I don't know.

Ken:

It's a stupid joke. Anyway, let's don't get into the free will paradigm. Because, sure, there's predestination and there's free will. How do they work together? Um, here's the, here's our key, steve. What, however, that all works together, which I don't know. You try your best, best to do the will of God, and that's all we can do.

Steve:

So I've often heard, look for where God is working and go join it or something along those lines. Or if you look at that another way, if what you're doing is going well, then it must be the will of God. But I don't Exactly.

Ken:

I hate that.

Steve:

Because a lot of times things are very difficult.

Ken:

Yeah, it also means Paul was doing not the will of God.

Steve:

Yeah.

Ken:

It doesn't jive. No, that's prosperity gospel.

Steve:

You're right.

Ken:

Yeah, and that's not what we're called to do. We are called to suffer for Christ, if that's what it takes.

Steve:

Yeah.

Ken:

And it might. It might not, but it might.

Steve:

Are we suffering enough?

Ken:

Because we're pretty blessed. We are blessed and if you remember, in the first part of chapter 4 of 1 Peter I think it was 4, or was it 3?

Steve:

I don't know what you're going to say. Well, he talks about.

Ken:

You know, do good and you'll be blessed, and all this. And then he says, oh, but you know, but if you're not, if things go bad for you, things still might go bad for you, but you know, still is better to be punished for doing good than for doing evil, which is very similar to what he's saying right now. But in that section he started off with saying you know, do good, and who is it to harm you if you're doing good? And then he says, okay, well, you still might be harmed, but it's okay, all right. Anything else in that section, or should we go on to?

Steve:

five. I'm ready to move on. All right, um I will read the whole kit and caboodle oh, there it is.

Ken:

Um, oh, that's a lot. All right, all right, I'm to read until I feel like stopping. All right, chapter five, verse one. So I exhort the elders among you, as a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, as well as a partaker in the glory that is going to be revealed. Shepherd the flock of God that is among you, exercising oversight, not under compulsion, but willingly, as God would have you, not for shameful gain, but eagerly, not domineering over those in charge, in your charge, but being examples to the flock. And when the chief shepherd appears, you will receive the unfading crown of glory. Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders.

Ken:

Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God, so that, at the proper time, he might exalt you, casting all your anxieties on him because he cares for you. Be sober-minded, be watchful. Your, your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same kinds of suffering are being experienced by your brotherhood throughout the world. And after you have suffered a little while the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen and establish you. To him be the dominion forever and ever. Amen. I'm going to stop there.

Steve:

All right, all right, so he starts out, hey.

Ken:

Steve, hold on. Why don't you summarize this for us jerk, I mean Steve.

Steve:

Well, let's see, he wants you to be a good I'll say pastor over the flock.

Ken:

Who Me, everybody.

Steve:

Well, he's saying as a fellow elder Elders, okay, stong to the elders.

Ken:

Yeah, he's saying as a fellow elder Elders, okay, song to the elders.

Steve:

Yeah, he's extorting them. I mean exhorting them, anyway. So he wants them to lead by example, not with a heavy hand, and lord it over them. I'm your elder, you must do what I say.

Ken:

Yeah.

Steve:

Which them? I'm your elder, you must do what I say. Yeah, which. You get the feeling sometimes that the Pharisees and Sadducees were kind of like that.

Ken:

Yeah, I think so.

Steve:

So yeah, he basically is saying be humble and don't be an idiot or a jerk.

Ken:

And what about the non-elders? What does he say?

Steve:

To submit yourselves and follow their words of things and sufferings, wow, okay, I just want to say without, any preparation, without any preparation.

Ken:

H, I was more prepared to do my summary than you were, and this I will say. This is a little more difficult of a summary. This is deeper, all right. So you were going to say something, though, before I made you do that. And now you have no idea what you're going to say, let me ask you this Steve, who is he addressing in the first part of this?

Steve:

The elders.

Ken:

The elders, and what is an elder?

Steve:

An older person.

Ken:

Is that right?

Steve:

I don't think so.

Ken:

I mean, I think it is.

Steve:

Just because they tend to be more grounded in the faith, but it's basically someone that's strong in the faith and help leads the church.

Ken:

And I think they are old as well, because later he says where does it say, where does it switch? He calls them younger. Why can't I find this?

Steve:

I don't see it Likewise, Likewise yeah, verse 5.

Ken:

Likewise, you who are younger be subject to the elders. So I believe elders are leaders in a position. I think they've been put in that position of eldership, but I think they're also old, I agree. So, okay, that's what I wanted to say, can?

Steve:

elders ever be wrong.

Ken:

Yeah, do you know how I know?

Steve:

You've been one.

Ken:

No, I was at a church once where I told people because they asked if I would be interested in becoming an elder, and this is when I had I think I still had kids in elementary and it's my opinion. I said it in a nice way because the people asking me were elders who had small children. Asking me were elders who had small children. I said it is my opinion not to offend you, but I do not believe elders should still have small children because one of the qualifications is that they've raised their children in a right way, or whatever that passage is.

Steve:

It's in Timothy, I think.

Ken:

Maybe, so I'm going to have to trust you on this. I don't really have to trust you, but you're probably right. Anyway, what was the question?

Steve:

Can elders be wrong?

Ken:

Oh yeah, Do you know how I know they can be wrong.

Steve:

You were telling the story and then you stopped.

Ken:

No, but here's how I know they can be wrong. You were telling the story and then you stopped. No, but here's how I know they're wrong. Peter is telling them shepherd, the flock of God that is among you, not under compulsion, but willingly, as God would have you, not for shameful gain, but eagerly, not domineering over those in your charge, but being a good example. So they can be wrong. That's why he's giving them instruction, because elders can be wrong, just like you can be wrong, and you know some people think I can be wrong.

Steve:

Just like you can be wrong and you know some people think I can be wrong. So the reason I ask is because it goes in the second half of five. It says clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another. For God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. And I think if you think the elder's wrong, you kind of need to call him out and he needs to be humble and accepted if it's obvious and clear and whatnot. The humility goes both ways at that point.

Ken:

That's true and that's why this is—that section, by the way, is after. He talks about those younger and then he says all of you, right, humble yourselves. So yeah, he's talking about all. But you know, I do question. I don't think it would be the place for a non-elder to question an elder. I think it would be more appropriate. This is just me talking, this is not. I'm just thinking about proper structure. Sure, I would think you would want, um, I would.

Ken:

I should go to an another elder and discuss it and discuss it and say um, I'm seeking your advice and I think you need to approach this person.

Steve:

First go seek your brother.

Ken:

Yeah, but you know, a brother is an equal. Maybe I don't know. The truth is, steve, I know I think elders should be humble enough to take correction from anybody, but if you really desire correction to be followed, you have to think about would it come better from me or would it come better from that person? Right, if you are good friends with somebody, you might be able to approach that person better than I could, and they might take it from me as what does that idiot think he's talking about? I'm great when you might be able to approach that person and say it and they'll say you're right. So my point is you've got to use some common sense in how to do all that. That's all I'm saying.

Steve:

That's good advice.

Ken:

Are you mocking me, Steve? No, oh, okay, Whatever, All right. So what else Steve? All right, so what else Steve?

Steve:

So in verse 10, and after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen and establish you. To me this sounds like after you're dead.

Ken:

Let's see, okay, your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion seeking someone to devour. Resist him, and, after you have suffered a little while, you know what? I don't think it necessarily is. I think it might be, but I think it could also be. Do you remember when Jesus was tempted by the devil?

Steve:

I wasn't there. Oh, you weren't.

Ken:

No.

Steve:

Oh, but I remember reading about it, oh oh yeah, and same.

Ken:

I was thinking I was there, but I just read about it anyway. Um, after that, jesus was attended by angels and um restored okay, that's a.

Steve:

That's a valid argument.

Ken:

You might die in all that, in the suffering, and then Christ will restore you. But I think this is talking either way.

Steve:

So in your example Christ suffered for 40 days roughly Well, he fasted. The first day probably wasn't that hard.

Ken:

Have you ever fasted for a day?

Steve:

Yes.

Ken:

I've fasted for okay, I'm not going to go how okay, but I have fasted for multiple days and the first day is actually harder than the second day. I think, no, yeah, yeah, that's right. The first day is harder than the second day because you're used to that intake. The second day is a little easier. The 40th day, though, man. By then you are really weak. Oh my gosh.

Steve:

I can't. Imagine. Yeah, I can't imagine that Um but the reason I thought it was after death is compared to eternity. Our lives here are just a little while.

Ken:

That's true. Very, very infinitesimal amount of time. Just a blink. Infinitesimal amount of time. Just a blink, okay. And then it says to him be the dominion forever and ever. Amen. What does that mean dominion? It's a game with cards. Not here Action by cleanup Deal Draw, I mean it's ABCD.

Steve:

Yeah.

Ken:

Okay, dominion, what is it?

Steve:

It's the authority over the earth.

Ken:

Over everything, okay.

Steve:

Would you like me to read the final?

Ken:

greetings. Yeah, this is the final greetings.

Steve:

Go by Silvanus I don't know how to say his name, sorry A faithful brother as I regard him. I have written briefly to you exhorting and declaring that this is the true grace of God. Stand firm in it. She who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings. All right, so this is his sign-off.

Ken:

Interestingly enough to me anyway, Silvanus is Silas, as in Paul and Silas.

Steve:

Oh, okay.

Ken:

And this same person that helps Paul later when Paul is going through Athens. And we're going through this at our church right now, right, Paul and Silas. We're going through this at our church right now, right, Paul and Silas. And this same person is helping Peter right here. I think that's really pretty cool, because this dude he didn't write any of these books of the Bible, but he's like always helping.

Steve:

He's like a scribe.

Ken:

I think he's more than a scribe, though.

Steve:

Right, but apparently Peter couldn't write it himself.

Ken:

I don't know, it just said it doesn't say he wrote it. Oh yeah, maybe, so it could be that Silas delivered it.

Steve:

Oh, that could be yeah.

Ken:

Or maybe made copies, because, from what I understand, peter did not write this to a city, like some of Paul's letters, which would have had probably one copy, and then copies were made after it arrived. Peter sent this to a lot of places, probably so it could have been copied by Silas, which probably would make him a scribe so the other interesting thing here is Mark, which I don't believe is his biological son.

Ken:

I think that's a figurative son but it could be his son could be, but I don't think so so from what I read, people think it is his son. Really yes.

Steve:

But they also think it's the author of Mark, the book of Mark, and was guided by Peter to write it.

Ken:

Oh, you think this Mark Is that right?

Steve:

That's what my notes had.

Ken:

Well then, I think let me dang it. I lost it, Mark. Let's see, you know what, Mark?

Steve:

is the same John Mark who traveled with Paul and Barnabas on their first missionary journey of Acts. Though he left Paul and Barnabas, he was later restored to his formal usefulness. Peter would have known Mark from the earliest days because the church met in his mother's home. In addition, this verse shows a close relationship between Peter and Mark, my son, and is one indication of the validity of the early church tradition that Mark wrote his gospel at Peter's direction.

Ken:

Okay and yeah, that could be. And here's something here that says it is not referring to him as his son. I did read one thing where somebody thinks that it is Peter's son, but it looks like I should have done more research, because this is saying that Peter refers to Mark as son in 1 Peter 5.13, but this most likely means a son in the faith, not his actual child. This most likely means a son in the faith, not his actual child, and by the way that the Babylon.

Steve:

I was going to ask you that next.

Ken:

Did you look that up?

Steve:

Yeah, okay, just the Bible study notes.

Ken:

So there's two different interpretations and almost all people say that is the church in.

Steve:

Rome.

Ken:

The church in Rome, right, but it's possible that it's Peter's wife, and I think it's as possible for that as possible, as Mark is actually a son that he's talking about. So I think it's probably, and in fact some of the non-word-for-word translations say the church in Rome. I think the NLT says that the church in Rome or church in Babylon. It actually says the church.

Steve:

It actually says the church. I could be wrong on this, but don't the Catholics credit Peter as the founder of the church?

Ken:

As the first pope. Yeah, yeah From Jesus' statement on UL.

Steve:

On this rock.

Ken:

Yeah, on this rock I'd build my church, or something like that.

Steve:

All right, or something like that All right.

Ken:

So then he says greet one another with the kiss of love. Stop it, Steve Gosh. It doesn't even say open mouth, kiss, All right. You know what I'm taking that as a cultural thing.

Steve:

Yeah, I don't.

Ken:

Because it is a very common practice in some cultures to kiss people on the cheek or on the head or on the elbows, I don't know. Yeah, it's that on the elbows? I don't know.

Steve:

Yeah, it's, isn't it the French that do the whole on either side of your face? They don't actually touch your cheek.

Ken:

I think so, yeah, but um, anyway, I don't know what to do with that. I think I really do think that's a cultural thing. Um, but the the real message, though, of that for us, I believe, is greet one another with love.

Steve:

Yep. And however that you know, with a fist bump of love there you go, man, there you go.

Ken:

Boom. Not an open hand fist bump.

Steve:

That's just a handshake. Not an open hand fist bump, that's just a handshake.

Ken:

But however we greet each other, you know I'll give a guy a hug, but I really don't kiss guys very often, or?

Steve:

other females actually, or your wife. You don't kiss my wife very often no, okay, good, hardly at all Okay.

Ken:

Anyway, peace to all of you who are in Christ. All right, that's just like a salutation. Peace out.

Steve:

Yep, that's it.

Ken:

All right, anything you want to add, steve? No, I think we covered itutation Peace out. Yep, that's it All right.

Steve:

Anything you want to add, steve? No, I think we covered it all.

Ken:

We did. We got all the way out through 1 Peter.

Steve:

What are we doing next? 2 Peter.

Ken:

Should we?

Steve:

Let's see, it's only yeah, we might as well do 2, peter. It's only three chapters.

Ken:

Yeah, let's do 2, peter, that's easy, just to keep going through, peter.

Steve:

Yep.

Ken:

Alright, we'll do 2 Peter next. Alright, guys, that's all. Do you have anything else? Steve? Nope, alright, well, I guess, guys, time for us to sign off and we will see you next time.

Steve:

All 4 of you out there.

Ken:

Thanks for listening no, keep listening guys. We appreciate it. The Regular Guys. Bible Study is a Chasm LLC production. All rights reserved.

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