Philippians 2:12-30

We wrestle with Philippians 2:12-30 and the uneasy mix of our effort and God’s power, from “fear and trembling” to God working in us to will and to act. We also follow Paul’s examples of Timothy and Epaphroditus and ask how suffering, healing, and honor fit into real Christian life. 
• working out salvation with deep reverence rather than self-reliance 
• living without grumbling or arguing in a warped culture 
• holding firmly to the word of life so faith does not drift 
• Paul’s “drink offering” language and rejoicing even in death 
• Timothy’s genuine concern as a model for leadership 
• Epaphroditus’ illness and what it raises about prayer for healing 
• honoring people who risk their lives for the work of Christ 
Chapter three next week, guys. Make sure you read it. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:12

You are listening to the Regular Guys Bible Study Podcast, the Bible study for regular guys by regular guys. We are your host, Ken and Steve, and we are just regular guys studying the Bible together, not theologians. We could put some words into that. Regular guys, BS. Regular guys BS.

SPEAKER_04 0:45

Work on that.

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I kind of like a little bit regular guys.

SPEAKER_04 0:57

Oh, how you doing, Ken? I'm good. You know changing subject. Maybe no one wants to hear me laugh.

SPEAKER_03 1:12

I didn't want to hear you laugh, but that's, you know, that's I'm not everybody.

SPEAKER_04 1:19

Probably just the noise canceling.

Reading Philippians 2:12-18

SPEAKER_03 1:22

Alright. Alright. Do you have voice isolation turned on on your side? Maybe. I don't know. Let's just do the podcast. Alright, we'll do the podcast. Alright, guys. So we're on Philippians chapter two. We're gonna start in chapter no, chapter two, verse twelve, and we're gonna do the uh the rest of it. So you have a barking dog. Could you hear it, really? Yep. Oh, that stinks. Oh, you know what? Maybe I should put on voice isolation, huh? What about that?

SPEAKER_04 1:58

I turned it. If I were listening to this, I would have given up by now.

SPEAKER_03 2:05

Good thing you don't listen. All right. That's true. All right. Um yeah, it's kind of hard to listen to something you produce. Uh it's not fun to listen to my voice. I feel sorry for everyone who has to listen to my voice. And the only consolation, Steve, is when I listen. I because I do listen to the podcast when I'm putting it uh to uh publishing it. My only consolation to listening to my voice is that it's not as bad as your voice. Um you know, most most people they can't listening to themselves, and that's true for me, but but yours is even worse. Um, so that's good. No, I'm just I'm just a kidding. I'm a kidster. Uh all right, and you know that they said you're too mean to me. Um, I have had that feedback that I'm too mean to you, but you know what? I said to that person that said I'm too mean to you. No, I said you don't know Steve. If you knew Steve, you'd be mean to him as well. So there could be some truth in that. All right. Well, uh, why don't we read uh you want to read the first part? And I'll read the longer part this time, Steve. Sure. Therefore, my dear friends. Hold on, stop it.

SPEAKER_04 3:34

Philippians 2, 12.

SPEAKER_03 3:36

Yes. Um, are we gonna read the whole thing and then uh go back or or let's just read the first section. Yeah, we'll read the first section.

SPEAKER_04 3:46

It's pretty separated.

SPEAKER_03 3:47

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_04 3:47

Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fill his good purpose. Do everything without grumbling or arguing, so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a warped and crooked generation. Then you will shine among them like stars in the sky, as you hold firmly to the word of life, and then I will be able to boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor in vain. But even if I am being poured out like a drink offering on the sacrifice and service coming from your faith, I am glad and rejoice with all of you, so you too should be glad and rejoice with me.

Shining In A Warped Culture

SPEAKER_03 4:38

Okay, um before I go to my notes, it just I I didn't write anything down, I don't think here, but it you know, he calls um uh in verse 15 he says, so that you may become blameless and pure children of God without fault in a warped and crooked generation. And you know, we always think of the next generation as worse than the first, or the current generation as worse than the past, right? And what's the world is the best, yeah. But um, you know, people it was a warped and crooked generation back then, too.

SPEAKER_04 5:23

So we've always I think it was probably worse back then, to be honest.

SPEAKER_03 5:28

Uh there were a lot of, yeah, there were a lot of things.

SPEAKER_04 5:33

You had the whole temple prostitute thing and sacrificing children thing, and yeah, granted, a lot of the like prostitution still happens, but uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 5:49

Yeah, and especially in some parts of the world. Um back then in oh man, uh, have you been to Pompeii?

SPEAKER_04 6:00

I have not.

SPEAKER_02 6:01

You need to walk around Pompeii and Dr. Pompeii, Dr. Pompeii. Who? What is that?

SPEAKER_04 6:11

It's Dr. Bombay.

SPEAKER_03 6:13

Oh, okay. Anyway.

SPEAKER_04 6:15

Um, what is that show?

SPEAKER_03 6:17

I don't know, but I don't care.

SPEAKER_04 6:19

Bewitched.

SPEAKER_03 6:20

Ah, okay. The uh there are signs made to look like the uh I I guess I can say this they little penises, not little, penises drawn on rocks to look like arrows to show where you go for the brothel.

SPEAKER_04 6:49

This follow the penis this way.

SPEAKER_03 6:51

Yes. Um and you know, you wonder, you you go there and you go, oh, God destroyed Pompeii is what happened there.

SPEAKER_00 7:05

Huh.

SPEAKER_03 7:06

So anyway, um that's the you know, that is not far from the time of this, right? Um all right, anyway.

SPEAKER_04 7:18

What's it there for, Ken?

SPEAKER_03 7:19

Yeah, what is it there for? All right, so he says, Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence. All right, so therefore, um let's see, what is it therefore? Uh let's see, right before there, therefore God exalted him to the highest place, this tongue about Jesus, and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Alright, so then he says, Therefore, it's saying since Jesus has been like elevated elevated up with God is um then you know do these things. That's what I got.

SPEAKER_04 8:28

So I had a little summary for 12 through 18. Oh it's actually very little. Basically, I said, be strong and honorable, be strong and honorable in the broken culture.

SPEAKER_01 8:47

That's good. All right, you know what? You tried.

SPEAKER_03 8:51

That was good. That's better than I did. Um, all right, I think that's a good summary. Um but we can delve in further. I have quite a few notes.

SPEAKER_04 9:04

I have a few.

SPEAKER_03 9:06

So I'm I'm sure we probably have the same question.

SPEAKER_04 9:10

My first one is about fear and trembling.

SPEAKER_03 9:12

Yeah, yeah. That's always the thing that stands out to me. What does it mean to work out your salvation in fear and trembling?

SPEAKER_04 9:25

So I did do a little cross-translation study here, and it seemed like everyone I looked at, except for NLT, said fear and trembling. NLT says deep reverence and fear.

SPEAKER_03 9:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:42

Um, and then I looked at the strong's definition for fear, and it compared it to reverence for one's husband. And for trembling, it has with fear and trembling used to describe the anxiety of one who distrusts his ability completely to meet all requirements, but religiously does his utmost to fulfill his duty. I don't want to live in anxiety.

SPEAKER_03 10:16

No, but the I I kind of like that it says it's what it said there because realizing that we are not um We distrust our ability to do it. We don't have the ability, right? Really, to do it well. And so we are going to do it anyway um and try to do our best. So I put a little note about myself. Um so continue because okay, so he's talking about, you know, whether we're in his presence or what was that? Nothing, or in his absence. Um it's talking about, you know, so uh what am I saying? God, I'll just read my note. Uh question about myself. Am I making myself a tool that can be used for his purpose, or am I making myself something that God needs to work around to get his purpose done?

SPEAKER_01 11:36

Hmm. You see what I'm saying there?

SPEAKER_03 11:42

If I do, but if you go to thirteen, um God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good.

SPEAKER_04 11:55

I would argue that it's gonna be God is making you into the tool. You're not making yourself into the tool.

SPEAKER_03 12:04

So when somebody calls me a tool, that's what they mean. That's what they mean?

SPEAKER_04 12:10

Yep. You're such a tool again.

SPEAKER_03 12:13

Thank you. All right. Um, but uh, do you see what I mean though? My point is, yes, you're right, first of all. But second of all um say that again. I'm not, I'm not gonna say it again, Steve. I've said it way too many times on this in this podcast that you're right. That's true. Um but you know, uh to work out, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. You know, that indicates that uh there is an effort that we need to be uh putting forth, right? Okay, yes, you just yawned with your face and not your mouth. That was the weirdest thing, and it's gonna make me yawn. Dang it.

SPEAKER_04 13:12

I tried not to make you yawn.

SPEAKER_03 13:14

Yeah, you did it, you you put an effort there, Steve. Um so anyway, there's effort involved on our part, and and it's something we need to try hard at.

SPEAKER_04 13:29

All right, but according to this, God gives us the desire to do it.

SPEAKER_03 13:35

Well, that was my next comment because at 13. Do we have a choice in letting God's will act in us?

SPEAKER_04 13:47

Now that is a tough question.

SPEAKER_03 13:49

For it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

SPEAKER_04 14:00

Oh I don't I feel like we still do, but if I think about not having the choice, and then I think of all the the fallen religious leaders in the Christian past.

SPEAKER_01 14:25

They had the choice to do the right thing and they did the wrong thing. Right. I guess that's a little different. Isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 14:39

I think it's a yeah, I think it is a little different. But I you know, here's here's all I can say, Steve. All we can do is live our life as if it is the choices we make. Whether that is God working in us, hopefully it is God working in us, or whether it is our choices, um, we want those decisions and actions to be in sync, right? The things that we decide to do versus what God wants us to do. Um, and if those are in sync, guess what? It doesn't really matter if it's God making us do it or if it's our own volition.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

Yes. So yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:35

And I'll just say that I'm pretty sure you want to be in agreement with God and not fighting him.

SPEAKER_03 15:43

That's true. He can do some pretty pretty big damage to your hip, apparently.

SPEAKER_04 15:51

Or, like you mentioned, Pompeii.

SPEAKER_03 15:54

Yeah for Pompeii, yes. That's what I meant. Everybody that was in Pompeii, their hips are horrible after that. I mean, they were dead also, but all right.

SPEAKER_04 16:06

If their hips didn't work anymore.

Holding Firm So Labor Matters

SPEAKER_03 16:09

All right, let's move on. Um, I've got something for 16, 17, 19.

SPEAKER_04 16:19

I've got 17 and 18.

SPEAKER_03 16:22

All right, well, 16 says, uh, let's see, as you hold firmly to the word of life, and then I will be able to boast on the day of Christ, that I did not run or labor in vain. And my note here is what is he saying? What is he saying here? Is he saying that you know keep my notes? I'm such an idiot when I write notes.

SPEAKER_04 16:54

All right, is he saying or even worse if you record them and let it transcribe?

SPEAKER_03 17:00

That's exactly what I do. Um, is he saying that you know he wants to be be proud in that in the people of the Philistines, but even if he's not Philistines, Philippians, but even if he's not, then he hasn't run his race in vain. Let me see.

SPEAKER_04 17:26

I don't even understand what you just said.

SPEAKER_03 17:28

What I'm saying is um uh he wants to be proud in the in the Philippians. But even if he's not, then he still hasn't run his race in vain. Let's see, what does he say here? So that you may have become blameless and pure.

SPEAKER_04 17:47

That's why he wants to be proud.

SPEAKER_03 17:49

Then you will shine uh without fault.

SPEAKER_04 17:53

He doesn't want to have wasted his time bringing them to Christ just to see them fall away, I think is what it means.

SPEAKER_03 18:01

Yes. Ah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what my notes are trying to say.

SPEAKER_04 18:08

Um so when you record your notes to Siri, does it sound something like this? Uh um did he do something, something Philistine David slingshot? And then you hope that it turns it into something intelligible.

SPEAKER_03 18:34

You know what? I think I think you just played a recording of me. That's that's that's exactly what I sound like. How eerie. Okay, so I will say this. I do my quiet time and Bible study very early in the morning. Like normally before 6 a.m.

SPEAKER_04 18:55

Oh, so you're still drunk.

Drink Offering And Rejoicing Through Death

SPEAKER_03 19:02

No, but I'm still asleep. No, I'm not asleep, but I don't know. That's not a good excuse. I don't know, Steve. I'm gonna blame Siri. I think I has I think I said something good there. Seriously? Uh-huh. All right. What do you have for 17?

SPEAKER_04 19:22

So it talks about um, so it goes on to say, but even if I'm poured out like a drink offering on the sacrifice and service coming from your faith, I am glad and rejoice with all of you. So I looked up what a drink offering is, and I won't I was hoping there'd be a cross-reference here to an old testament like Deuteronomy something or numbers that would say, Here's how you do a drink offering. It didn't have that, and I was too lazy to go try and find it. Um but I did find a commentary that said that uh the people hearing this would think of a glass of wine that gets poured on the altar along with the sacrifice, you know, like whatever animal they were sacrificing.

SPEAKER_03 20:13

Okay. Yeah, I thought of it as the a symbol of the blood of the animal. Isn't sort of like the blood of Christ.

SPEAKER_04 20:26

Well, and I went on to say, combined with, or maybe the commentary said this, combined with Christ's use of wine as blood, it would seem that it is his death, perhaps. Which I think exactly that's what it is.

SPEAKER_00 20:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:40

He's preparing to die. He knows he's gonna get killed by Rome at some point. Um he's thrilled that they're still following Christ, I think, even if they're not doing a great job of it.

SPEAKER_03 20:56

Yeah, so I will say this that when I read this, I kind of read it in a negative context. Um, and I'll I'll explain that in a minute. But every translation and um uh like NLT, that's that's a paraphrase translation, nobody agreed with how I with how I interpreted it at first. But I do want to good job. But I do want to tell you how I interpreted this.

SPEAKER_04 21:29

Are there any Philistines in this one?

SPEAKER_03 21:36

No, but there is a uh Bob the tomato and a Larry the cucumber. Um you don't even know what that reference is, do you?

SPEAKER_04 21:47

I it's veggie tails, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_03 21:50

Um anyway, um I read it as this. Um, but even I'm gonna paraphrase um, I'm gonna paraphrase this. I'm gonna paraphrase it how I interpreted this. Um but even if your lack of sacrifice is like or lack of even if your lack of service is like sacrificing me on the altar, then I'm still gonna rejoice.

SPEAKER_04 22:31

Oh, that is pretty naked.

SPEAKER_03 22:33

Yeah, that's how I that's how I interpret it. So it's it's like even if you don't follow through.

SPEAKER_04 22:39

Um I don't see it that way. I see it more as even if I don't get out of this prison and instead I'm killed like a sacrifice, I rejoice with you.

SPEAKER_03 22:52

I can see that as well. I'm just saying that's how I first read it. Um, and I and you know, I will like I said, all other things I read um take that point of view. Except for the thing that I wrote, which doesn't take that point of view.

SPEAKER_04 23:10

Now, verse 18, I kind of did take the way you did it, sort of negatively, because it says, so you too should be glad and rejoice with me. Is the you two meaning they may become drink offerings?

Reading Philippians 2:19-30

SPEAKER_03 23:27

I don't think so. No, I think he's talking about the band, you too. Um, because he got it that song. And it's the Sunday, bloody Sunday. And yes, and it was so it's anyway. Um no, but I I did not take it negative at all. I thought so, you know, I'm gonna rejoice even when I die. You should rejoice too. Don't be sad for me. That's that's how I read it. Yes. All right. Should we move on to the next section? We should. All right. Um, all right, I'll read this part. Uh, this is 2 Philippians. I mean, there's only one Philippians. Philippians chapter 2, verse 19 to the end. Um man, we forgot to tell people if you haven't read it, pause it and read it.

SPEAKER_04 24:25

We told them that last week. And no one's sure they read the they read the whole chapter.

SPEAKER_03 24:30

Oh, yeah, I hope so. All right, here we go. I hope in the Lord Jesus to send Timothy to you soon, that I also may be cheered when I receive news about you. I have no one else like him who will show genuine concern for your welfare, for everyone looks out for their own interests, not those of Jesus Christ. But you know that Timothy has proved himself because as a son with his father, he has served with me in the work of the gospel. I hope, therefore, to send him as soon as I see how things go with me, and I am confident in the Lord that I myself will come soon. But I think it is necessary to send back to you Epaphroditus, my brother, co-worker, and fellow soldier, who is also your messenger, whom you sent to take care of my needs, for he longs for all of you and is distressed because you heard he was ill. Indeed, he was ill and almost died. But God had mercy on him and not on him only, but also on me to spare me sorrow upon sorrow. Therefore, I am all the more eager to send him, so that when you see him again and may be glad, I'm sorry, therefore I may I am all the more eager to send him, so that when you see him again, you may be glad and I may have less anxiety. So then welcome him in the Lord with great joy and honor people like him because he almost died for the work of Christ. He risked his life to make up for the help you yourself could not give me.

Timothy’s Example And A Subtle Warning

SPEAKER_04 26:14

Okay, so I have to give a little sort of summary here that when I've read this the first time, how I read it. Okay. Timothy is awesome, and get epaphroditus out of here. He's giving me anxiety, and there's nobody as good as Timothy. The rest of y'all are just garbage.

SPEAKER_03 26:34

Uh wow. All right. That's um that's um that's pretty big.

SPEAKER_04 26:43

There's no one else like Timothy. He's awesome. Yeah, he is uh because everybody else is out for their own interests.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:54

Uh yeah, he seems to really, really like Timothy. Um I do think this is a note I have on verse 19. It sounds to me a little a little bit like a warning. Um, because he says that I also may be cheered when I receive news about you. Um, you know, so he's saying, I think, um, I'm gonna send Timothy to you. He's a great guy, first of all. He's the best person in the world. Um, but he's gonna report back on how you're doing. So I think it's a little bit of a um I've told you how to how to live.

SPEAKER_04 27:54

Let's well, he's also saying don't look out for your own interests, but look out for Jesus Christ's interests.

SPEAKER_03 28:01

Yes, that's true. Yeah, and that's the way Timothy thinks, and he's gonna report back to me on how you're thinking. So I think it's a little bit of a warning. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 28:20

My next thing's not till 23.

SPEAKER_03 28:22

Oh, well, I, you know, I just it's we've talked a little bit about it. I think it's a pretty tough statement for a lot of the people around Paul. Um, it's an awesome testimony for Timothy, but there's a lot of people around Paul. There's Luke, um, there is uh Epaphroditus. There is uh oh shoot, there's other letters where he names all sorts of people that are around him. Right. Um and he just basically calls them all out as selfish, as looking out for their own interest. Um and I've gotta say though, it's a pretty scary time probably right now in in uh Rome, right? Because in fact, the the overall sentiment here is that Paul does not ever get released. He dies in this.

SPEAKER_04 29:25

So so it's although here he thinks he thinks he might get released.

SPEAKER_03 29:28

Yeah, he thinks he might. But he does say we gotta see. I'm gonna send him as soon as we see how things go with me. So he's not sure.

SPEAKER_04 29:38

Which is yeah, that was basically my comment on 23, is how it will go. I think that means he's waiting to see if he's gonna die here or not.

Prayer When Healing Does Not Come

SPEAKER_03 29:48

Yeah. Yeah. And um, and as we uh and we believe he does. Um okay. Uh let's see. I had a comment on 26.

SPEAKER_01 30:07

Fire away. All right. Let's see.

SPEAKER_03 30:12

Again, this is another is another dictated um uh that's good because those are amusing. Yes. May we hear stories in the Bible of all the healings, but these healings had a purpose. Okay, here's my point. I'm not gonna read it. Um it's interesting to me that um people get very frustrated about praying for someone to be healed, and they don't get healed. Um Paul had a thorn in the side that he would God would never take away. Um you know, um Stephen, God could have saved Stephen, what do you call it, Stephen from the stoning? Yeah, yeah. And God could have not put Epaphroditus through almost dying, right? But God allows these things to happen for a reason. And if you look at the healings that are recorded in scripture at least, they serve a purpose. Um you know, each one has a teaching moment behind it. It's about uh, like when Jesus is healing, he's saying, Um, you know, uh, like he once he says, you know, is it easier for me to say your sins are forgiven? Or get up and walk. Um and to show that I have the power to forgive sins, I'm gonna tell him to get up and walk. I'm gonna heal him. And then maybe you'll really believe, because anybody can say your sins are forgiven, and you're just um you know, you're just a blasphemy, you're just doing blasphemy when you do that. Anyone can do that, but nobody can say, pick up your mat and walk to a to someone who cannot walk.

SPEAKER_04 32:27

In fact, didn't they, when he said that, claim he was blasphemy?

SPEAKER_01 32:33

I think they still did, yes, and they wanted to kill him. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:40

Um so the question is, should this shape at all how we pray for those who are sick?

SPEAKER_01 32:51

That's my question. Well, I kind of struggle with that because some people aren't gonna get better.

SPEAKER_04 33:02

Like take my father, for instance. He's been on his deathbed to heaven, I hope. Oh, yeah. Um but uh he's been on his deathbed for over a year and lingering. There's really I mean, sure it'd be a great miracle if God healed him and he was able to get up and do things again, but uh it just doesn't seem very likely at 80-something years old. And so I don't really pray for healing.

SPEAKER_03 33:34

Right. Yeah, same with my mother, as you're aware. Um our your father and my mother are in a very similar situation. Um both been extremely close to death for quite a while. Um yeah, I don't I don't pray for healing for her. I mean, in fact, she's she wants to be in heaven. She's ready to go.

SPEAKER_01 34:01

Um so but there are there are other people.

SPEAKER_03 34:10

Um I have a a friend of a friend. It's not I don't know this person directly, but she asked me to pray for this person um who uh recently married, recently got married in her, I think late 20s or early 30s, she has her third diagnosis for cancer. So an initial and then a relapse and another relapse. And yes, you know, I do pray for God to heal, but also recognize that he might not. Is that I don't think that's necessarily a lack of faith. It's just what is God's purpose? So I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 35:04

And sometimes it's really hard to see a purpose in things like that.

SPEAKER_01 35:08

I know, I know um so anyway, um yeah, I just it just dawned on me how you know he was very sick and right there with Paul.

SPEAKER_03 35:29

And you know, maybe Paul was able to convince I don't know how this worked, but he certainly got almost he almost died from this sickness. So anyway.

SPEAKER_04 35:43

Maybe that him recovering from the sickness helped convert some people. Who knows?

Honoring Those Who Risk Their Lives

SPEAKER_03 35:48

That's true, and that's what I'm saying. Is and and maybe his sickness brought a lot of people um for some reason, just the fact that he was so sick. All right, and we got 29. I have a I have a note for 29. Do you have anything else, Steve?

SPEAKER_04 36:07

Uh a little bit at 30. It's a very small note.

SPEAKER_03 36:10

All right. So uh 29, it says, so then welcome him in the Lord with great joy and honor people like him. Um, I guess mine is 29 and 30, because he almost died for the work of Christ. He risked his life to make up for the help you yourself could not give me. Um this is really talking about honoring those people who give their lives and are willing to give their lives um for the mission of Christ. And so um I think we I don't think we often, or what am I saying? I think we often don't show due respect and honor for the missionaries that leave their life behind.

SPEAKER_04 37:01

Um we have a friend that's done that, and I'm just shocked at their ability to pick up their whole family and go someplace that could be dangerous.

SPEAKER_03 37:10

And yeah, it's crazy. Um, and we really we really need to honor these people better than we do. Um regardless, I I'll say this, regardless of their effectiveness. Um, you know what I'm saying? Like um Epaphroditis, it sounds like he wasn't very effective in what his goal was.

SPEAKER_04 37:39

Yeah, they brought him news of uh Ephesus.

SPEAKER_03 37:42

He was he was extremely sick, he was he could not help very much, you know that.

SPEAKER_04 37:50

But so the last part of 30 there, is he admonishing the other people in Ephesus? Because he's like he risked his life to make up for the help you yourselves could not give me.

SPEAKER_03 38:03

No, I th I don't think so. I think he's saying, you know, he went, he came because all of you couldn't come. I mean, not everybody can just follow Paul. So he was their hands and feet um because you know uh they couldn't help, but Paul could help.

SPEAKER_04 38:24

Because they were in the knees and toes.

SPEAKER_03 38:32

Was basically um their hands and feet. So I don't think he was admonishing them.

unknown 38:41

No.

SPEAKER_04 38:42

Okay. That was my note for 30.

Wrap Up And Chapter Three Next

SPEAKER_03 38:45

All right. Well, okay. Anything else, Steve?

SPEAKER_04 38:48

Nope. We finished.

SPEAKER_03 38:50

We are done.

SPEAKER_04 38:51

We can go on to chapter three.

SPEAKER_03 38:52

Chapter three next week, guys. Uh, make sure you read it. I don't know how far we'll get. I haven't read it yet, but I'm gonna start reading it tomorrow morning. All right. See you guys. Yeah, I am. Oh no, I'm not.

SPEAKER_04 39:05

Tomorrow's Wednesday. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 39:28

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