E63. Random questions customers ask us

In this engaging episode of the Building Design Prime Time podcast, hosts Amelia and Frank Geskus tackle some of the most common and curious questions that clients often ask. From how to adapt a home for different life stages to understanding the regulations around spas, front fences, and retaining walls, this episode is packed with valuable insights. Whether you're a young couple looking to build your first home or a homeowner planning for the future, you'll learn about designing flexible spaces that grow with your family, and how to make smart decisions that enhance both functionality and safety.

Frank shares practical advice on incorporating Liveable Housing Design Standards to future-proof your home, tips for adapting spaces like outdoor decks and garages, and the importance of compliance when installing features like pool fences. The episode also touches on the impact of zoning laws on structures like sheds and retaining walls, offering guidance on what you can and cannot do.

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E63. Random Questions Customers Ask Us

(0:08 - 1:47)
 INTRO 

Hello and welcome to the Building Design Primetime podcast, focused on providing valuable information for anyone looking to undertake a new build or extension project. We'll share our tips, tricks and stories from a building designers perspective. 

Amelia: Welcome to the Building Design, Prime Time podcast, I'm your host Amelia and once again we're joined by Frank Geskus.

Frank: Hey Amelia, how are we? 

Amelia: Oh I'm pretty good, we've got a bit of an interesting one today. 

Frank: Yeah, you're going to ask me random questions. 

Amelia: Random questions, exactly. Things that have come up that customers ask us, some of them a bit odd, some of them are pretty common. 

Frank: But they're not, they're not odd as such, they don't know what they don't know. Heaps of people ring us, oh yeah, can I do this, I'm allowed to do that, I'm okay with that, so I'll be interested what you're going to throw at me.

Amelia: Well let's start with the first cab off the rank, adaptability of your home over time. 

Frank: So we're talking about you're going to be there a long time and how you potentially adapt for having young children going to teenagers. Nowadays maybe adults are going to hang, adult children are going to hang around with their partners maybe.

Amelia: Exactly and I mean these days people don't always want to sell their house and go into something else, they might be really happy in the place where they are. 

Frank: It's quite common, my parents had the same house for 55 years. 

Amelia: Oh there you go.

Frank: And they adapted by extending the back, so we had this huge rumpus room in the back when we were teenagers. 

Amelia: Yep. 

Frank: No one could hear you scream, it was great.

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Amelia: It makes me wonder what was going on in your house that there was lots of screaming. 

Frank: me and my two brothers carrying on and I was the biggest and oldest and yeah obviously they were the ones screaming. So it's planning your house. If you're building a new house this could go for renovation, extensions, whatever you're like. You're designing your house for where you are right now and then how do you see it going forward. I look at and I've mentioned this before with when you've got young kids and you've got a living area you know it could be open plan kitchen, dining, lounge but you also might have a separate break off room off to the side and we usually call that flexible space.

It might have all the best intentions to be a home theatre but it ends up being the kids toy room. That means the toys aren't in through the lounge or whatever and all the toys and crafts and everything can be in there and I've got a few people I know that have done that and it's and I kind of wish we did it when I built my house but we didn't and saw friends that did it. It was a great idea, it works very, very well and in those cases kids became teenagers, became a study area, there's a couple of PCs in there, exercise bike as they got older. Now it's turned into a craft room so the space is adaptable and you can say that to your outdoor space too. You can adapt that as it increases with the amount of people you want to entertain. We say that all the time we extend decks or put a whole new deck because it's a bit tired, put a whole new roof over it for the next stage.

(3:09 - 6:26)

Also look at adaptability where and I usually ask people about my age over 50, do you want to be here for a long time and then I recommend to consider the Liveable Housing Australia standards so then you can adapt your house for the future by having level thresholds at your door so if you've ever had a sporting injury or crutches, knee walker or worse wheelchair, it's unobstructive going in. Your bathrooms are designed in such a way, hey I need to put bars on the wall, I need the shower screen to come out. The walls are lined in plywood so you can screw bars off anywhere.

Interestingly enough that's happening in all new houses, it's called the LHDS requirements under the National Construction Code and in Tasmania that's being implemented next couple of months in October. So we are designing the houses so it can be there longer term. Wouldn't it be nice that you wouldn't have to go into a special facility or a home because then you can get home care in a house where the bathroom's been adaptable, the doors are wide enough, the hallways are wide enough and we're not talking about a lot either, you know you only need a metre clear so you make it 1100, make the door slightly bigger.

Always good to have bigger doors anyway, it's easy to get the furniture through isn't it?

Amelia: I agree, yeah definitely. 

Frank: And then you think about your sliding doors, you don't have to do this but you can recess the sill of your slide door so it's easy to get in and out. That's not a requirement but I actually think it's a really good idea.

So it just makes the whole place more flexible and anyone who's had sporting injuries or any other type of injury and you're a bit incapacitated, those things are very helpful. Oh by the way, don't put shiny slippery tiles in. 

Amelia: Like gloss, big high gloss finish.

Frank: Yeah and they become slippery, you fall over when you're under crutches or stuff like that. Trip hazards in the floor coverings, so your transition between your tiles or vinyl or click-clack flooring to your carpet, that's minimised, no greater than five millimetres. I believe this is really good practice for long term because we've done plenty of jobs for elderly people, we've had to rip out the whole bathroom, not tear the house apart just to get a decent bathroom to work.

So that's pretty adaptive I reckon. 

Amelia: Yeah it definitely makes sense. What about if you say you're a young couple and you've, you know, obviously for your first time you only want something reasonably small generally at that stage.

Frank: Well I disagree with that, we have plenty of first home buyers and they want to build their dream house first go. 

Amelia: Yeah but can they afford it? 

Frank: Well that's a whole other issue and now that's changed massively. 

Amelia: Yeah I agree.

Frank: But I believe good design allows that you can extend the house. 

Amelia: That's what I was getting at. 

Frank: Yeah and I suppose that's adapting to the growth of the habitants.

Amelia: Yes. 

Frank: You know, it's a little bit of thought that goes into how you'd be able to do that because you do have to think about, you know, you want to capture sun into your living areas. Can you extend off there? It's going to block your future sun.

Just thinking about, you know, the access again, you know, making it easier to get around. But look, most houses can be adapted for future extensions. 

Amelia: And I guess it's just something that you need to let your building designer or architect know early on so that they can make provisions for that.

Frank: Oh 100 percent. Yeah and even how you do your roof. Have a think how the roof is done.

Amelia: Yeah because that can have a bit of a bearing

Frank: Oh 100 percent. Yeah. So think about how the roof might adapt so it's not going to cost you a fortune.

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Frank: Well even like thinking about adding a garage on, you know, you can't afford it now but you can add it later. Doing an alfresco. You want more outdoor entertainment.

It might be a kid's backyard. Even I consider landscaping should be thought of for adaptability for kids playing or your own hobbies out there. Keen gardener. Could be veggies, hothouses, you know, man caves, all those types of things. You do need to think about that really early on. 

Amelia: Oh yeah definitely.

Frank: Converting the man cave into the she cave. 

Amelia: Or…

Frank: No. 

Amelia: We're not going to call it that. No we're not going to. 

Frank: We said it once, we're not saying it again.

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So thinking ahead with your design of your house, the site so it's adaptable for the future. Not saying that you have to make big sacrifice or anything. It's just being smart.

Then you also got to think thermally as well. How well, you know, your heating and cooling in your house as well. So I actually, in Tassie that's not too bad.

We insulate it well and most people go for the old reverse cycle heat pumps we call them. Or as the mainlanders call it, the northerners call it the AC. 

Amelia: Yes because they have it on AC all the time.

Frank: Yeah so hopefully that answers that question. 

Amelia: Yeah all right let's go on to another question. Does my spa need a pool fence even though it's got a lid on there? 

Frank: Yes.

Amelia: Really? 

Frank: Yep. 

Amelia: It doesn't matter how big the spa is? 

Frank: No. 

Amelia: You still have to have a pool fence? 

Frank: Under the National Construction Code it says anything with depth of water greater than 300 millimetres needs to be protected.

Amelia: I wonder how many spas are sitting out there with no fencing around it. 

Frank: Oh heaps. What do you think about your ponds? Even though ponds and fountains aren't a thing anymore.

Amelia: Yeah. 

Frank: But they used to be a thing that yeah just think a kid can drown in this stuff. 

Amelia: It's true.

Frank: And I've had people argue with me. Oh look it's 1.2 metres up there. Yeah and you can grab a chair and the kids are amazing.

They can climb anywhere. They're like Houdini. 

Amelia: Yeah and it's amazing what a building surveyor will actually pick up on design.

Frank: Because you just go buy a spa and you plonk it in the backyard.

Amelia: Oh that's exactly right. 

Frank: So yes you need to have a compliant pool fence and gate around your spa.

Amelia: Even the placement of all of your things around. 

Frank: Oh very true. 

Amelia: Around that fencing as well. I was talking to actually one of our clients and he was saying that where the tap was, the position of the tap needed to be adjusted in terms of the height because a kid could climb up on the tap. 

Frank: Oh they're like ninjas.

Amelia: And go over the fence.

Frank: The kids are like ninjas.

Amelia: That’s inane. 

Frank: Yeah but it's the same with you putting up against the fence. You've got a piling fence, you've got rails. Kids will climb it. 

Amelia: Oh exactly.

Frank: I know of a case, a tragic case. It was in Victoria where a kid climbed over a barbecue, was able to get on top of the pool fence and over he goes. 

Amelia: Oh wow.

Frank: And it didn't end well. 

Amelia: Oh that's awful. 

Frank: It is awful. But that's the reality. No one takes this stuff lightly so that's why there's a blanket rule. 

Amelia: Yeah.

Frank: Even the pools that you get from Kmart, Target, if they still sell them I don't know. It's more than 300 ml of water. 

Amelia: Oh there would be.

Frank: A kid can drown a lot less than that let's be real. But you're supposed to have pool fencing for anything over 300 ml unless you drain it all the time. This is when you keep water in there.

Frank: Yeah. So I hope that helps. 

Amelia: Yeah that's a good one.

(9:39 - 10:11)

All right next question. Do I need a permit for my front fence that I'm building?

Frank: How tall is it?

Amelia: I don't know. Two meters? 

Frank: Okay cool. Yes. 

Amelia: Really? 

Frank: Yep. So anything, look I've got to clarify here.

In Tasmania under our planning schemes I think I'm very confident up to 1.2 you don't have to do anything. Once you go above 1.2 you have 30% transparency through the fence. 

Amelia: Oh really? 

Frank: Yep. If you can prove that you can go to 1.8 and you don't need a permit. 

Amelia: Okay. 

(10:11 - 10:26)

Frank: Go above that you need a permit. If you block it all off like it's a big solid fence it needs a permit for planning approval. 

Amelia: So if it was brick or something like that? 

Frank: Well a lot of them do brick because you know Colorbond is the same. But when you do a big brick fence or block fence you're going to need a level of engineering as well.

(10:26 - 10:30)

If you don't do that right what do you reckon is going to happen? 

Amelia: It will fall over. 

Frank: Yep. 

Amelia: Yeah.

(10:30 - 11:50)

Frank: There's some horrible examples of that as well. 

Amelia: So it's really not all that much different from what I can gather to having a retaining wall done. 

Frank: In a lot of senses that that's correct.

Amelia: Yeah.

Frank: In Tasmania if the retaining wall is over a certain height within a certain distance of the boundary you need a permit. 

Amelia: Yeah.

Frank: Which I must say is a little bit frustrating in some cases when you're just doing landscaping. 

Amelia: Yeah I can understand the frustration there. 

Frank: You know it gets a little bit I suppose too much red tape.

Amelia: Yeah especially for people wanting to do it themselves. 
 
 

Frank: Oh and I totally get it and I sympathise but where I don't sympathise is where a homeowner doesn't realise it gets too close to the boundary with their retaining wall. They didn't put any drains in.

Amelia: Yeah.

Frank: And it undermines the neighbouring property. 

Amelia: Yes.

Frank: Now what's on the other side? Could it be a shed? 

Amelia: Exactly. Could be anything. 

Frank: Could be someone's spa with a fence around it.

Amelia: Yeah. 

Frank: And you might have a you know a couple of ton of water in there. It could be the house is really close you've undermined the footing.

I don't know. The average person shouldn't have to know but you can come and ask the question. So yeah be very careful how you do retaining walls and also choose the right retaining walls.

Sometimes doing timber sleeper ones if they're not designed correctly and I've seen some wonderful failures. They look like an explosion. There's bits of timber everywhere.

(11:50 - 11:59)

They've just got to be done right. 

Amelia: Too much weight behind it I'm guessing. 

Frank: But you can buy yeah you can just buy standard retaining wall systems like the stackable blocks from Island Block and Paving.

(11:59 - 12:16)

They're fantastic. Albury. There are sleeper options you can do up to a certain height but they've got limitations but you've got to have drains.

Ag drains behind it. Water kills retaining walls. 

Amelia: Yes too much drainage is never enough.

Frank: Totally. 

Amelia: I think that in my head yes. I'll never forget it.

Frank: Well done grasshopper

(12:17 - 15:31)

Amelia: All right next question. Can I put a shed up against my front boundary? 

Frank: Okay that is depending on the zoning but let's say just general residential. 

Amelia: Okay.

Frank: It's unlikely.

Amelia: Oh that's going to disappoint a few people. 

Frank: Yeah because if you're let's just say a new subdivision there's minimum setbacks and I think this is everywhere in Australia you're going to have this.

They're also doing this because of the streetscape so in the general residential you're looking about four and a half meters in Tasmania. To be fair if you've got all these nice houses there and then someone pops a shed up to put their caravan in and it's up against the boundary it's going to look pretty crap isn't it? 

Amelia: It's going to look pretty rubbish. Yeah.

Frank: Colorbond sheds they're not the most beautiful thing. So I had this question with someone recently and I said where do you want to put it here and I said well do you realise if you put it there you've got a sewer and stormwater manhole very close you've got a side entry pit with stormwater side entry pit and the council probably won't even give you a crossover because you're near this infrastructure. Okay and he goes well I need to put my caravan so well if you move it so then the front of the garage the front of this shed Colorbond shed no doubt but we can actually make it nicer and do something else with it in front of in line with the house then there's a better chance of getting it through.

So a lot of the council planning does not want anything within that setback zone because it all looks uniform it all looks neat you have nice gardens landscaping and to be fair landscaping looks a hell of a lot nicer than a Colorbond shed especially if you've got a caravan it's a big shed so you go to different types of zoning outside of general res there might be an opportunity to do it. 

Amelia: Okay. 

Frank: Because there's old parts of Launceston you know some it's really old and they've got carports and some old concrete sheds right up against the boundary because the steepness of the site.

Amelia: Yes. 

Frank: So you have got that opportunity in those cases but in new subdivisions it's very unlikely there. 

Amelia: I think sometimes there's even in the covenants that you're not even allowed to have a shed in your front yard at all.

Frank: Or in your backyard. 

Amelia: Or in your backyard? 

Frank: Yep. 

Amelia: Oh that makes no sense.

Frank: They call it they don't want to see Colorbond. 

Amelia: Really? 

Frank: Yep. 

Amelia: Why would they say that in the backyard though? 

Frank: Well there's certain subdivisions I've seen you know through the 90s and 2000s where everyone had a shed in the backyard but when you see it when you've got a lot of it does look a bit rubbish.

Amelia: Yeah okay. 

Frank: Especially some of these sheds are big and tall because they've got big boats or cars or they've got their hoist in there you know working on their cars and fair enough they're allowed to do that but can look a bit ordinary but some subdivisions will keep a certain style and that's built in the covenants so you can put a shed up but you don't clad it in Colorbond. You go then use other claddings same as what you use in the house.

If you can use the same cladding on the front of it to match your house it doesn't look as rubbish. Even if you can design it to the same roof pitch and everything looks even better. 

Amelia: Yeah.

Frank: It costs a lot more money. 

Amelia: It would because it's more customisation. 

Frank: But I believe it adds a lot more value to the house because it looks great.

Amelia: Yeah I agree. 

Frank: So yeah sorry to burst a few bubbles there. 

Amelia: Oh that's okay that's why we've got this podcast, so everyone can learn.

Frank: How many bubbles can I burst? 

Amelia: Maybe we call the segment how many bubbles can you burst? 

Frank: Yeah shatter people's dreams. Oh look and that's just part of what we do. People come with ideas.

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Can I do this? So we'll have a look at it for them. There's no, generally there's no cost for that because we're just talking over the phone. We can access a lot of information on the computer.

You look at real estate photos. You could look at the state list maps. You can look at aerial, google, street view, all sorts of stuff and it's very helpful.

And just to give them a bit of information and sometimes it will just say you know I'm not sure. I may have to do more investigation to give you a definitive answer. 

Amelia: Yeah.

Frank: But even then it's still up to the council planning department because there's sheds in general. We've spoken about this. You've got to consider a lot of things like are you building over a pipeline or a Telstra line? Is it within a bushfire prone zone? Are you in a landslip? There's all sorts of stuff that you've got to consider.

Amelia: Yeah. 

Frank: So yeah then that's why we get lots of people to ask us. 

Amelia: Makes sense. Use the experts. 

Frank: We’ll try to be but we've got access to a lot of information. 

Amelia: Yeah we do. Lots of resources. 

Frank: If you go to the council half of them won't know a lot of this stuff and it's not their job to know this stuff. 

Amelia: No.

Frank: So if they're planning, planning looks after planning stuff. The building department there is not to give advice other than direction. They'll give you direction of what to do.

Some of them might give you some help but at the end of the day you're going to need a designer to help you. Oh exactly. A building surveyor will be able to help you as well but a building surveyor might not know the planning requirements.

We have to deal with both planning and building. 

Amelia: Okay one last question. 

Frank: Okay last really? 

Amelia: Yeah.

Frank: Okay. One more.

Amelia: It's actually about crossovers.

Frank: Oh yeah. So which isn't building design it's not national construction code. This is municipal.

Amelia: Yeah okay. So I was wondering can you move a crossover? Are you allowed to move it? Or can you choose where a crossover goes when you buy block of land? 

Frank: Great question. That's actually a really good question.

Amelia: Yeah.

Frank: Okay let's start with the last one. Can you choose where it goes? So if you look at a general residential they do a subdivision. Generally the crossover is installed. 

Amelia: Okay.

Frank: I personally think it's stupid purely because they may not think why would I put it on this side? Oh because the plumbing and the water connections on the other side.

So we don't have a problem with the driveway yeah but you don't want the cars coming this side because this is the northerly side. I don't want my garage on the northerly side.

Amelia: No.

Frank: So there's been plenty of times we've had to flip the garage to the opposite side so the house functions better. 

Amelia: Because the crossover is essentially not in the spot where the customer wants it. 

Frank: Or they put the connections in a really dumb spot. Look all this happens and to be fair they don't know what they don't know. Again I'm a big advocate of not putting the crossovers in. Just have rollover curbs and then put the crossover as part of the build.

Amelia: As part of the design process. Makes sense. 

Frank: Then we apply to move it.

Amelia: Oh so you can apply to move it? 

Frank: You can apply. 

Amelia: So they can still reject it though I'm guessing? 

Frank: Yeah 100% because there's good reasons sometimes to reject it too. You may wish to put it where there's a storm water drain or side entry pit.

So that it's a pit on the gutter where all the storm water goes in. And you might want to that's where I want my crossover. Well you can't because that's where all the storm water goes.

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Amelia: Yeah. 

Frank: So you might have to move that slightly. 

Amelia: Okay.

Frank: You do not want to move that pit. 

Amelia: No definitely not. 

Frank: You might have an electrical turret. There might be a water stop valve there. There may be a Telstra or an NBN you know turret in the ground. So there's things and ways.

You can work around this but it gets expensive. But you can certainly apply. 

Amelia: I guess it's also important to know what is where when you buy a block as well.

Frank: But we do that in every job. We do a full site analysis and dial before you dig. And we find all these things. And we get the surveyor to go out there to confirm where it all is. And take lots of photos on top of that again. So as an owner you should know where all this stuff is. But you probably don't know what it looks like. 

Amelia: Yeah but how many people would go look into all that stuff before they actually buy the block. 

Frank: It's actually really rare but it's so easy to find.

Amelia: Yeah. 

Frank: It's not hard at all. 

Amelia: Yeah.

Frank: We do it for a lot of people. A lot of developers and a lot of the builders we work for. We do all that checking for them.

And then they have that online. It's all online.

Amelia: Yeah. 

Frank: I wish I checked mine the first time. 

Amelia: You didn't? 

Frank: Well I didn't check and I found out they didn't supply power to my block. We're still trying to figure out how this was possible. 

Amelia: And you call yourself a building designer.

Frank: Well that's got nothing to do with it. Tas Networks or the subdivider never installed into my block.

Amelia Yeah to be fair. 

Frank: And this happens. And we've had sewer connections not installed for blocks. 

Amelia: To be fair you're in a you know a suburb that has all the infrastructure there you would think it would have it. 

Frank: Oh it's at least 20, 25 year old subdivision.

Amelia: Yeah. Yeah.

Frank:  I think. Yeah. And yeah it's just what I see. It's just that you have power to your block.

Amelia: Exactly. 

Frank: So got a nice little bill for that one. 

Amelia: Yeah.

(20:14 - 21:07)

My bill's going to be worse than yours I think Frank. 
 
 

Frank: We'll compare. So these are all… you actually bring up an interesting point. If you're looking at buying a block make sure your infrastructure's there. I've learned the hard way. 

Amelia: Yeah definitely look into that.

Frank: Yeah. Crossovers yes you can apply with the council. Please be aware that only certain contractors can do the work.

Amelia: Okay. 

Frank: Because it's got to be done to municipal standards. And the council may ask you to rip out the old one.

Amelia: Oh will they? 

Frank: Yep they may ask. 

Amelia: At your cost? 

Frank: Oh of course at your cost. You're changing it you fix it.

Amelia: Yeah fair enough fair enough. 

Frank: Don't mess up the footpath whatever you do. 

Amelia: Oh big trouble for that.

Frank: Of course. Yeah. They'll make you pull it out do it again.

Amelia: Yeah. 

Frank: One thing you didn’t ask what about two crossovers? 

Amelia: Oh could you have two crossovers? 

Frank: In the right context you can. 

Amelia: Okay.

Frank: Right context. What type of block do you have? 

Amelia: I was going to say it would have to be maybe a corner block or something like that. 

Frank: Yeah exactly.

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So depending on the size of the block too. So we've done successfully applied. Also widening your crossover.

Amelia: Oh can you do that? 

Frank: You've got a double garage right? 

Amelia: Yeah.

Frank: And the door is 5.5 5.8 metres wide. 

Amelia: Yeah.

Frank: It's only four and a half it could be six and a half metres from the boundary. But the closer it is the harder it is from a crossover. 

Amelia: To manoeuvre.

Frank: Yeah to manoeuvre out of a three and a half metres. Yeah. Oh what a wideness.

In some subdivisions that's not hard to do. But there also might be other infrastructure as I've mentioned before. But what happens if they've built into your subdivision parking recesses.

So you have your kerb and gutter so straight line. 

Amelia: Yes. 

Frank: They actually recess it and they've got trees planted everywhere and it's all looking very lovely. There's a chance you may not be able to widen it or even move it. 

Amelia: Yeah okay. That will muck up the...

Frank: See the problem? 

Amelia: Yeah yeah. Lots to think about. 

Frank: But widening crossover is a is a big one. Especially with the we do double garages a lot. 

Amelia: Yes very common these days. 

Frank: Very much so. So otherwise you're gonna be driving partly over the grass aren't you? And people do that. 

Amelia: Yeah. 

Frank: Because they don't allow them to widen it.

Amelia: No oh dear. 

Frank: Anyway you can ask any questions. We'll do this again. We'll put a pool of questions where people randomly ring us and ask us about. Ask for advice. Can I do this? Can't I do this? You know. I think it's all very valuable.

Amelia: I think it definitely is because if one person's thinking it there's probably a hundred more thinking about it as well. 

Frank: Of course. Yeah. 

Amelia: All right well I guess take-home points are as always do your research. 

Frank: Yeah. A hundred percent. But hopefully there's some pointers there for each one of those questions that I've answered. Hopefully that helps you go into the right direction with a few of those things.

Amelia: Definitely. All right we might wrap it up there folks. Thanks for listening to the Building Design, Prime Time Podcast.

Frank: Catch ya’s later. 

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