Ep5 "Discovering Sustainable Tiny House Living: Colorado State University's Innovative Course"- with Maria Delgado

Looking to explore sustainable living and tiny house design? In this interview, Maria Delgado from Colorado State University takes us inside her innovative Tiny House College Course. Hear from three of her students about their experience designing and building their own tiny homes. Discover how they tackled the challenges of living in a small space, reducing their carbon footprint, and creating a sustainable lifestyle. Join us on this exciting journey of sustainable living, and learn how you too can make a positive impact on the environment with tiny house living.

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Transcript

00;00;01;14 - 00;00;02;29
Speaker 1
Excellent. Hi, ladies.

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Speaker 2
Hello.

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Speaker 1
Hi, I'm Natalie, and welcome to the tiny house talk show where the tiny house experts with trailer made custom trailers. And today I get the joy of speaking to Maria and her crew. So I want you guys to introduce yourselves. You're from Colorado State University and tell us who you are and the amazing project that you guys are doing.

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Speaker 2
Nice. I'll go first. My name's Maria Delgado, and I teach at CSU in the Interior Architecture Department, but I'm also faculty affiliated with the Nancy Richardson Design Center. And that's where this class is posted. So it's the capstone idea, of course. And these are my phenomenal students. Three of them have been in.

00;00;48;28 - 00;00;50;05
Speaker 1
Yeah. Introduce yourselves.

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Speaker 2
I'm Gabby. I majored in interior architecture and Czech management and then did that ideal program, the design thinking program. This is my second time taking the class to get two years ago, and now I'm helping support it this year.

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Speaker 1
Excellent.

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Speaker 2
I'm Katie Redman. I am interior architecture and design design and art department. And I also, just like Gabby, have been involved in this multiple times. This is my third time being involved and nice. And I'm Katrin. I'm also an interior architecture and design and design thinking minor. And I am just here having fun later and I'm in it, so.

00;01;31;08 - 00;01;58;16
Speaker 1
Excellent. Well, I love that. So. So. And again, I'm Natalie and I'm one of the owners of Trailer Made, and I'm so excited to hear from you guys today and and the project and the program and the classes and what you guys are really doing. I know that you just got a trailer here very recently and that was an interesting day that we went through.

00;01;58;16 - 00;02;06;27
Speaker 1
But but it it all worked out. It all worked out beautifully. So all of that stress for night, which was good.

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Speaker 2
I don't think the students know. But I guess perspective, you know, with the university, there's so much kind of programmatic and procurement and and things like that. So we have to like and give the chat because you can't pay for something unless you don't have the product. That's like it's just a universal like fiscal role. I guess. So the handprint, the check and then the university wasn't printing checks, you know, so we were able to figure it out.

00;02;34;22 - 00;02;46;21
Speaker 1
Yeah, it all worked out just perfectly. So. So, Maria, I'd like you to tell us a little bit about the program and and what you guys are doing with this with this tiny.

00;02;47;13 - 00;03;21;04
Speaker 2
Yes. Okay, I'd love to share. So it really kind of started I started at CSU four years ago, and that's the first time that we had the opportunity to run this course and hope it happened. So we didn't. We bought the trailer from you all, which is much smaller at the time. It was eight by 16, and then we weren't able to complete the build and thankfully you all held on to it for a year and then we got it that following year and the second year we did the construction, which was really kind of unique because it was built during COVID.

00;03;21;04 - 00;03;43;02
Speaker 2
So the university had a lot of additional restrictions where we could only have we had to social distance, we could only have half of the students come. It was more of a different set up. The class was Monday, Wednesdays and then like some half day Saturday. So it was neat in the sense that we got to experience it in a little bit of a smaller scale and then really prepare for a larger project.

00;03;43;21 - 00;04;11;11
Speaker 2
So the third year it's become a really a biannual experience. So last year we spent the semester designing the, the home, the new home, which is significantly larger. This year it's ten by 24 and then this year the fourth year we're constructing it. And so it's a really amazing opportunity for students because it's just a high impact, hands on experience.

00;04;11;21 - 00;04;34;03
Speaker 2
And I think those types of classes really engage students on a much different level and they just feel like we're doing this together. It's not individual assignments per se, so it builds a lot of sense of community, which you can see just by coming to class. And and that is just really a fun project. And what makes it unique is I didn't realize that these three are all students, but interior architecture.

00;04;34;03 - 00;05;00;07
Speaker 2
But we had 29 students enrolled, plus then four kind of students that are taking the course for the second time. So it's technically a different class, but there's everyone's here involved and so all of the students have different majors. So we have construction management majors, interior architecture, arts history, I mean, computer science or journalism. Yeah, so many different majors.

00;05;00;07 - 00;05;28;02
Speaker 2
And this is the only capstone course that allows for that format where anybody in the university could take this class. And I think, yeah, I think it's really a great opportunity because tradition really, if you're working in environments where you're just with your sector or your primary discipline, just talking to other people, you learn like, oh, people think differently and have different brings so many different perspectives and ideas.

00;05;28;02 - 00;05;30;14
Speaker 2
And I think that that just enhances the experience of the course.

00;05;30;22 - 00;05;43;04
Speaker 1
Absolutely. Absolutely. That's fantastic. And each one of you do interior design or are there other aspects of the tiny build that that you are also involved in?

00;05;43;04 - 00;06;07;27
Speaker 2
I think all of us have been involved in a lot of different roles I supported last semester as well. So that's fundraising. Right now we're doing mostly construction stuff. We've all been working on framing the past couple weeks. Now we're getting on achieving a variety of other stuff. So really hands on, not just designing starts, getting in there, getting stuff that we wouldn't otherwise get to do.

00;06;08;03 - 00;06;23;03
Speaker 1
I love that. I love that. So what what made you guys kind of decide to build a tiny as part of the curriculum? What kind of LED led up to the creation of of this this program?

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Speaker 2
So the Nancy Richardson Design Center is is based from Nancy Richardson, and she's co-owner of Otterbox. And it was actually an alumni of the Here architecture program. And so they use a lot of design thinking methods at Otterbox. And so they donated actually like eight or $9 million towards this building. I know, which is phenomenal. And I had really an amazing opportunity for these students to have been to fantastic facility access.

00;06;55;01 - 00;07;20;20
Speaker 2
And so they really are who kind of spurred that design thinking program, which really started as a certificate. And now because it's increased in demand, it's now a minor and their intention is to make it the first major in the United States. And this design thinking is all about iteration and getting feedback from users and and working on projects.

00;07;20;20 - 00;07;51;08
Speaker 2
And I think it was just a vision from multiple people to have some sort of this building when it was designed. It has a concrete pad on the northeast part of the building and the intention what the intention was maybe had students build some sort of home, right? Maybe it's the Solar Decathlon challenge or or then we just were like, what if it could be a tiny house on wheels that really kind of came from there and has just, I think, had a lot of excitement and just continues to to happen.

00;07;51;25 - 00;08;15;00
Speaker 1
That is wonderful. That's wonderful. I mean, there's there's several schools that that we work with and have different curriculum built in that involves building a tiny we have a school down in Texas that is for high schoolers and they go through every aspect from design to mechanical drawings to everything, every little part of that those kids have to do.

00;08;15;00 - 00;08;31;25
Speaker 1
And then they have a big showcase at the end, you know, And they they show those those homes off. And we've been down there a couple of different times and are just always blown away by what high schoolers are doing and that work. And I imagine for you guys, it's the same way when you get that end product, when it's built.

00;08;31;25 - 00;08;37;14
Speaker 1
I mean, what happened to the smaller unit? Where did do you guys still have that? Did you auction it off? Where did that go?

00;08;38;00 - 00;09;00;12
Speaker 2
It got auctioned off. So an alumni, CSU couple that were actually in the art building that would see it, they bought it and they're living in it and it just out of Fort Collins. And so it really is just phenomenal that the students built a home, you know, that is being used. And we intend to auction it off this home again.

00;09;00;22 - 00;09;14;08
Speaker 2
So if you know of anyone that's interested in purchasing a tiny house, I will say the last one, just donation materials alone were around $57,000, not including the student labor, and it sold for 36,000. So it's a steal.

00;09;14;16 - 00;09;31;19
Speaker 1
Yeah. Great. Well, that's when you guys get it up and you're ready to do that, Let us know. And we will definitely, you know, circulate that around with with our people and get it out there for you guys. So. And when, when do you guys kind of project for this one to be completed?

00;09;33;10 - 00;09;53;06
Speaker 2
So we're hopeful that we can try to finish it in May. In terms of this, is that larger home? And when we did do the first home, we got about 80, 85% done. And again, that was with just half the students alternating during COVID. But we because this is a larger home, maybe we kind of anticipated around the same process.

00;09;53;06 - 00;10;14;16
Speaker 2
So what we did was this year we tied a three week master course following this spring course so that we can try to just get it done in May. The class will be Monday through Thursday, 9 to 4 for three weeks, and the students got three credits. And that's our hope, is that then it's not kind of finishing during it during the summer on based off of volunteer work.

00;10;15;07 - 00;10;36;06
Speaker 2
So hopefully in May, but you just never know. Yeah. So and then I think the school, it was really exciting for them. They held on to it until homecoming and on homecoming day we just showcased it and had people walk around. And so I suspect that they would want to hold on to it potentially until homecoming and then sell it right after.

00;10;36;18 - 00;10;42;10
Speaker 1
A nice accent. Well, you'll definitely have to keep us posted as well as share pictures with us, because.

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Speaker 2
We.

00;10;43;09 - 00;11;08;15
Speaker 1
Love, you know, cheering people on and seeing the pictures and one of the one of the downfalls for me personally is that, you know, I hear I'm very interested in involved and kind of in the know at the beginning of a project. And then once it, you know, leaves our shop and goes to you guys or to whoever, it's going to you, then it's gone.

00;11;09;05 - 00;11;12;24
Speaker 1
And sometimes I don't ever hear about it again.

00;11;13;05 - 00;11;13;20
Speaker 2
Yeah.

00;11;13;25 - 00;11;36;22
Speaker 1
Or you see updated pictures. I mean, the whole team is we all encounter this and they're like, we wonder what happened to do that? Or, you know, how did that project turn out or, you know, with a lot of do it yourselfers and you know, we we were right there with them with that the big bag of anxiety that they have at the beginning and they're like, man, what did I get myself into?

00;11;36;22 - 00;11;57;15
Speaker 1
Because there's there's this look that we get when people come and get their trailer and they get their steel frame or whatever, they're part of that kit that they're getting from us. And and we see that look and we're like, Oh, no, it's going to be okay. It's going to be okay. It's it's it's a tiny house, but it's not a tiny job, as you guys will probably know and are experiencing.

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Speaker 1
So tell me, share with us some of the some of the challenges that you guys have had to overcome when you've been building these tiny And.

00;12;10;04 - 00;12;31;27
Speaker 2
I mean, I think I'd say one of them is that for a lot of us, this may be our first class where we're working with tools. I think all three of us had some prior experience, but we have classmates where they haven't had those opportunities before. So working through building that confidence because it's scary to take a piece of wood and go cut it on a machine that, you know, could you could enjoy yourself on.

00;12;31;27 - 00;12;56;21
Speaker 2
And so, yeah, I'm working through, you know, saying, hey, like just because we've done it before, it doesn't mean that, you know, we should be doing it all the time and getting other people to go ahead and take that risk and take that chance. And also just safety in general at the top line that comes with that. But it's worth it, I guess the snow to say was was a challenge.

00;12;56;21 - 00;13;17;13
Speaker 2
So we had probably the voices in there, but very, very specific challenge we had to deal with. But our rafters needed a really awkward angle cut off the side of the break. And that that was that was probably the biggest construction challenge we had to deal with, was figuring out how to get that tiny little sliver of the.

00;13;17;22 - 00;13;18;01
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00;13;18;24 - 00;13;19;00
Speaker 2
Yeah.

00;13;20;08 - 00;13;22;14
Speaker 1
But how did you feel once you overcame that?

00;13;24;09 - 00;13;33;12
Speaker 2
We were able to keep making progress. Excellent place for all the rafters today, so seeing them fit perfectly with that angle was really nice.

00;13;34;02 - 00;13;58;24
Speaker 1
Oh, I bet. I bet you were just like, Oh, thank God. That was fantastic. I love that. And we and we do hear we do get the phone calls from people when they kind of get into those more challenging parts and just, you know, get that kind of that overwhelmed like, oh, my gosh, you know, because I'm sure in your class, I imagine you guys kind of break it down step by step, by step by step.

00;13;58;24 - 00;14;18;29
Speaker 1
So you're only focusing on one little part at a at a time. I mean, there's always the bigger picture in mind. But I think the key is to keep it simple and just focus on one piece at a time, because otherwise it is it can be very overwhelming. And trying piece all that together.

00;14;19;18 - 00;14;41;16
Speaker 2
I would say that's another challenge with this too, is because of the size of our class and the size of the project. The best way we find to approach it is to break into smaller groups and work on a variety of things at once. But then it's okay, we've got this piece completed. In this piece completed, How are we now going to come together and figure out how these are going to work together and and what steps are we going to take?

00;14;41;16 - 00;14;47;10
Speaker 2
Who are we going to put on pause or who needs to do that? Stuff like that. So it's action.

00;14;47;19 - 00;15;26;18
Speaker 1
Yeah. And so you're not only learning very specific building skills, but more importantly, you're learning how to communicate, how to all work together and be on the same page, which is priceless. I cannot tell you, you know, running a business how that would apply to any business or any class or any any program. If you if that communication part one little blip in it and it could throw you off for days or weeks, you know, it's so important.

00;15;26;18 - 00;15;42;06
Speaker 1
So I'm so excited to hear like how great that is and how you do break into those smaller groups. That's fantastic. I love that. So what are some really fun parts that you guys have really enjoyed about what you're doing?

00;15;43;27 - 00;16;12;11
Speaker 2
I personally just love getting hands on. I was involved with the design last semester and that was hands on to an extent in that we used virtual reality as a tool to get user feedback, which I think Gabrielle touched on a little bit more. She can go more in depth with that. Yeah, but it's a lot of hands on stuff, but it's not the same as actually doing the construction work and so it is fun to get out there and use the power tools and actually see a visual of what you designed previously.

00;16;12;21 - 00;16;22;02
Speaker 1
It's it's like bringing bringing it to life. Exactly. Absolutely. Well talking to talk Gabby more about that the virtual reality stuff I'd love to hear about that.

00;16;22;10 - 00;16;53;24
Speaker 2
So we this home one of our goals is to kind of make it for the aging population. And we really wanted to focus on them. So last year when they were designing, they went ahead and invited some older adults and taught them how to use VR, which is of course a whole process in and of itself. And then we had them walking around exploring the home and giving us feedback as they were doing that so we could get that user centered feedback and know how they would interact with it, what they may want to change, what they like, which is critical when you're designing.

00;16;53;24 - 00;17;05;14
Speaker 2
You can't make a good design without knowing how the user feels about it. And so that provided a lot of opportunities for the team to then change the design and absorb their feedback.

00;17;05;16 - 00;17;06;21
Speaker 1
I love that.

00;17;06;21 - 00;17;15;07
Speaker 2
It was also fun having outside community members and some of our students family members come in and give us that feedback that brought in an interesting element.

00;17;15;13 - 00;17;36;20
Speaker 1
Yeah, I bet, I bet I can't. I'm this is where I get very old and I can't even, you know, imagine like, like that's a trying to put myself in the shoes of the virtual reality thing and walking around and being in that house and seeing that space. But it's I'm, I'm so old sometimes.

00;17;38;06 - 00;17;42;19
Speaker 2
But it's definitely a unique experience, but it's so neat or technology can.

00;17;42;19 - 00;17;42;29
Speaker 1
Do.

00;17;43;18 - 00;18;02;13
Speaker 2
The software that we build our model in and do all of our construction documents and and then translate that into virtual reality. And it is amazing. And really, I think one of the other cool things is we've used that to help get the community more, to let them know more about the project and get them more involved at home.

00;18;02;13 - 00;18;17;26
Speaker 2
Coming last year or this year, I mean, we did VR again and had more people walking where we had Dean of our college walk, and so she's like, I want to live in that. I remember everything that it was like, Well, you can get it, but you know, stuff like that to get the community more involved to eventually.

00;18;17;26 - 00;18;41;20
Speaker 2
Awesome. We also just a little small side note that we had with the VR, we had a two scale fabric floor plan of the entire tiny home, like a massive sheet of fabric that we printed our plan on so people could both see it visually without the VR headset, but then the VR headset on and the rest of it from the ground up.

00;18;41;28 - 00;19;16;23
Speaker 1
Yeah, amazing. I mean, what a what an incredible blend of technology with hands on, you know, doing all of that physical work of the construction. So I think that that is amazing. I this is why I love what I do. You can hear all of these amazing things and see all your beautiful woman doing this job and and out there learning and teaching and growing this tiny house world, this industry, and promoting it with programs just like yours.

00;19;17;25 - 00;19;39;15
Speaker 1
So I'd like to hear a little bit more about what was different in the in designing going from a 16 foot to a 24 by ten. Were there different challenges with that big of a difference of size, or was it easier to to do that design since it was bigger?

00;19;40;08 - 00;20;10;03
Speaker 2
One? And one of the main differences with respect to the trailer was this time we had a deck over trailer and so we didn't have to necessarily worry about the wheels, and that definitely made it simpler, you know? So yeah, so that I think from that lens, having that additional space that's all starting on a flat foundation does make it a little bit easier in a sense this size, just because we're it's bigger.

00;20;10;03 - 00;20;28;01
Speaker 2
I think that that brings its own challenges. But at the same time, we have a little bit more space to work with. So the first one we had a lot and everything was so much more compressed. Yeah, so just being mindful of every inch and we're still mindful of every inch now, but it's just, it's in a different way.

00;20;28;06 - 00;20;28;25
Speaker 1
Yeah, I think.

00;20;29;17 - 00;20;55;09
Speaker 2
What made it unique this time around is that we were really thinking about what would the experience be like if it was an older adult utilizing a wheelchair. So being mindful of like just terms or your radius and within your reach. And so I think that poses different challenges, you know, between the two different sizes. Even though we had more space, we just needed to think differently, right, about what the user experience was.

00;20;55;10 - 00;21;30;25
Speaker 1
Absolutely. Absolutely. And we we talked to people a lot, you know, about the size and how important that is to make sure that it's a livable space for that person. For some people, you know, 16, 20 feet, standard width, no problem for other people having that extra couple of feet is humungous. And, you know, we have seen in the tiny house world at the very, very beginning, the norm was 16, 20, 24 foot.

00;21;31;02 - 00;21;59;12
Speaker 1
I remember 24 foot was just felt huge until someone wanted a 28 foot. Oh, my gosh, that's gigantic. That's going to be just a humongous tiny. And then now, you know, we built we have a 40 foot by, you know, ten gooseneck in the shop. And, you know, last week we had three really big I think they were all 40 footers out there in the shop.

00;22;00;23 - 00;22;23;27
Speaker 1
And when I see that, I just think, man, that's that's a really big, tiny house. Yeah. And we've live with the industry has come a long way since those little tiny 16 footers. So what what do you think with your program going forward? What size or do you think you'll continue building these times for this program? Or where do you see that going?

00;22;24;13 - 00;22;53;29
Speaker 2
I think they certainly want to continue, Absolutely. So I think that this biannual model is helpful in the sense because we are so community based and donation based. I mean, it's such a big difference to have those relationships and that support just awesome just from a financial aspect and a general support aspect. But so having that kind of altering experience I think also helps people to maybe it doesn't feel maybe feel more of a burden.

00;22;53;29 - 00;23;10;12
Speaker 2
If you were donating every year potentially and people seem so. Well, it seems like a good timeline. Yeah. So that kind of finish and you get a rest it and really start to think about the design and then you do it again you know the kind of back to back. So I think if it continues it would be this biannual model.

00;23;11;06 - 00;23;30;21
Speaker 2
But I think that there's a lot of just demand from students that want to continue to learn. And I think tiny homes are a great scale for students because like you're referencing, right, with you're with the high school students in Texas, they get this exposure to all this different scope of work. And at the same time, it's not so overwhelming.

00;23;30;21 - 00;23;58;00
Speaker 2
So it would be fun to think about like a bigger project, but I'm like, I think if anything, like, let's keep that same consistency to kids. Like, I mean, from art teacher perspective too, we're learning a lot, which is so much fun and I think it really exciting. But there's some benefits of if you kind of keep some things the same, then that you know, you have some familiarity with it.

00;23;58;09 - 00;24;10;11
Speaker 2
So I mean, it's fun. It's fun to grow. We just would need to have like a two semester course, like a ramp to a larger trailer. It needs to be because it's just way it's Yeah, yeah.

00;24;10;20 - 00;24;31;22
Speaker 1
Absolutely. And like you pointed out, the differences of in the ease of building on a deck over trailer versus the trailer with the fenders you know that's that's huge And I sometimes I don't know if if people even know that they can get it without the fenders. We try to make sure that they know this, but it does change their step in height.

00;24;32;03 - 00;24;51;09
Speaker 1
So you're a little bit higher to step in. It's a little bit higher up off the ground. But again, if you just have that completely blank flat slate with nothing in your way, which I think just offers a lot of ease, and that's probably what I would how.

00;24;52;12 - 00;25;00;19
Speaker 2
You asked about challenges earlier. And actually this brings up a good point. The semester timeline is up and yeah, yeah that's what within.

00;25;00;28 - 00;25;05;27
Speaker 1
I bet And then if you have weather on top of that because you guys are doing all your construction outside right.

00;25;06;13 - 00;25;21;21
Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah. We spent a good I mean for now or anything like four inches of snow out of the trailers. Yeah. Thankfully two things positive that's only happened once, so that's good. I had good weather. Everyone was either very surprised.

00;25;22;00 - 00;25;22;10
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00;25;22;10 - 00;25;22;20
Speaker 2
It's.

00;25;23;04 - 00;25;24;15
Speaker 1
Yeah, I mean and it's or.

00;25;24;15 - 00;25;25;25
Speaker 2
How to do spring so.

00;25;26;07 - 00;25;28;06
Speaker 1
I know, I know if I.

00;25;28;14 - 00;25;29;04
Speaker 2
Might be go.

00;25;30;06 - 00;25;56;00
Speaker 1
I Yeah I, I joke all the time like I've seen snow on on June 1st on my daughter's birthday so you just, you just don't ever pack those clothes away for permanent because the minute you do it needs to come back out. And it's funny cause I just posted a meme, shared a thing that said, you know, come on, spring, you're not even trying fight back and replace exactly how I feel this year.

00;25;56;05 - 00;26;01;10
Speaker 1
I can't complain. I'm really thankful we're getting the snow and the water and.

00;26;01;21 - 00;26;02;10
Speaker 2
Right. Yeah.

00;26;02;20 - 00;26;04;28
Speaker 1
But, man, it's. I mean.

00;26;04;28 - 00;26;06;02
Speaker 2
You found it.

00;26;06;02 - 00;26;24;14
Speaker 1
It does. It definitely poses a challenge for you guys that are having to do that construction outside and deal with those elements and come in and all your stuff is wet or covered up or iced over. That's definitely no fun. So. Well, I know we've kind of got to wrap it up. I know you have a long day.

00;26;24;14 - 00;26;39;29
Speaker 1
Just finished up class today. Yeah. So what else would you guys like to wrap up and share about your class or any advice for for people looking at the class or maybe wanting to build Tiny's or anything you guys can personally share?

00;26;41;14 - 00;27;07;23
Speaker 2
You're wanting to do your class, do it. That's the reason I'm here. Second time. Katie's here a third time and there's others here who have done it other times as well. Yeah, there's nothing else like it in school. You're never going to get an opportunity to be this hands on and to really put everything that you've learned in your classes, whether you're into your design classes, your construction classes, or anything you've been learning, you will put it to use here, even if you're not a building major.

00;27;07;23 - 00;27;14;26
Speaker 2
Yeah, the computer science, their stuff, they're doing history, everything. So highly, highly recommended. Class.

00;27;14;26 - 00;27;16;22
Speaker 1
Excellent. Yeah. Don't be scared.

00;27;17;08 - 00;27;35;07
Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah. You can overwhelm earlier and how intimidating the machines can be like Abby was talking about. And that's. That would be my advice is just don't let the fear or the overwhelm stop. You keep pushing forward and try because you always impress yourself.

00;27;36;07 - 00;27;49;28
Speaker 1
And that sense of accomplishment when you get pushed through that challenge, that hurdle that that day where you're just so overwhelmed, you can't even see straight. And how you feel on the other side of it is so worth it. So the relationship.

00;27;49;28 - 00;27;53;04
Speaker 2
Building with the team was, yeah, it's a great it's.

00;27;53;21 - 00;28;03;15
Speaker 1
Something you, you guys will have forever. Yeah. Between all of you. I mean, forever and ever. Lots of fun. Yes, lots of good memories.

00;28;03;15 - 00;28;13;07
Speaker 2
I still talk to the people from their last classes. And two years ago, every single day, multiple people from my class, some of my closest friends. So yeah, the relationships are everything.

00;28;13;13 - 00;28;33;27
Speaker 1
That is fantastic. Well, I thank you guys so much for talking to me and for being one of the initial first people on our podcast. I'm really thankful. Thank you, Maria, for what you're doing and you guys keep on keeping on and we're here for you if you have any questions. But thank you so much for joining us today.

00;28;34;03 - 00;28;43;00
Speaker 1
And we can't wait to hear and see updates. So send us pictures and keep us updated on your progress and we'll be over here CHEERING you guys on. Okay.

00;28;43;18 - 00;28;51;10
Speaker 2
I just to say thank you so much, the trailers, the foundation of this whole thing for providing such a great foundation.

00;28;51;17 - 00;29;03;01
Speaker 1
Thank you so much. We're really proud to work with you guys. So thank you. And I will let you guys get on with the rest of your Saturday. Have a wonderful evening. All right. I'll take care. Bye bye.